Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard

2011-12-13 Thread Geke
To complement: Google groups are set up in a way that posts are kept
together in the same thread even when the subject is changed. So the
only way to start a new topic (as far as I know) is to click on the
top right button marked + new post.
I agree that the text on the button could be clearer.

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Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard

2011-12-12 Thread Tina K.

On 2011/12/09 06:30, Nick Adams so eloquently wrote:

Sorry about not changing the subject, an oversight on my part.


Actually it's better to start a new subject rather than changing the subject - I 
have Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard 68 pin vs 50 pin SCSI HD? and 
Question re failing HD all grouped together in the same conversation. It gets 
hard to follow that way and I end up just deleting them.



Tina

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Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard

2011-12-10 Thread Nick Adams


On Dec 10, 2011, at 1:19 PM, g3-5-list@googlegroups.com wrote:


 HD drives; could it be the HDs are creating more heat, hence the
 fans spin
 up?

Just one more thing.
What is strange is that the temperature rises and the fans speed up,  
but after a restart the problem goes away for a week or more. ???


If it were a problem of an internal component heating up, why would it  
be intermittent and correct itself after a restart.


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Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard

2011-12-08 Thread Jeffrey balfus
I had the problem of fans running wild with my G5 tower. Fortunately it was a 
week before the Applecare ran out. The problem was with the logic board, which 
had to be replaced. It cost about $2K, so time ago.

Jeff

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Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard

2011-12-07 Thread GLT
I have an occasional problem similar to those mentioned above. My G52 2.3 
GHz Dual Processor (early 2003 if I remember correctly) fan speeds 
sometimes make no sense at all.

The ambient temperature is generally at around 70 degrees F. or a degree or 
two cooler in the winter (as now).

I can be browsing the web, moving local files around, building C code, 
etc., and the fans generally run at a pretty low speed.

Now and then, though,--sometimes when the system is just idling along--the 
fan speeds increase dramatically. Sometimes the system even *hangs up*, 
with the fans running at full speed, and I have to hit the power button.

This does not happen often but it sure bugs me when it does. What happens 
if I leave my machine running while I'm away from home, and the fans go to 
full speed for several days? Do the fans bur out? Would the system 
overheat? Who knows?

So I just never leave the system fully up when I'm away. (I leave it in 
Sleep mode so that the fans don't run at all.)

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Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard

2011-12-07 Thread Mac User #330250
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Subject: Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard
Date:Wednesday, 07. December 2011
From:GLT gltack...@gmail.com
To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
 I have an occasional problem similar to those mentioned above. My G52 2.3
 GHz Dual Processor (early 2003 if I remember correctly) fan speeds
 sometimes make no sense at all.
 
 The ambient temperature is generally at around 70 degrees F. or a degree or
 two cooler in the winter (as now).
 
 I can be browsing the web, moving local files around, building C code,
 etc., and the fans generally run at a pretty low speed.
 
 Now and then, though,--sometimes when the system is just idling along--the
 fan speeds increase dramatically. Sometimes the system even *hangs up*,
 with the fans running at full speed, and I have to hit the power button.
 
 This does not happen often but it sure bugs me when it does. What happens
 if I leave my machine running while I'm away from home, and the fans go to
 full speed for several days? Do the fans bur out? Would the system
 overheat? Who knows?
 
 So I just never leave the system fully up when I'm away. (I leave it in
 Sleep mode so that the fans don't run at all.)

I normally put the system to sleep when I go. Since everything stops while 
only vital components, like the memory, are keeped on power, this should be a 
valid workaround.

I had this only once, but I was away at that time. Automatically going to 
sleep was disabled. When I came back, fans were at 100%. But, on top of that, 
Mac OS X 10.5.8 had crashed with the famous shut down your computer hitting 
the power button graphics on the screen.
Never happened again. I don't know what went wrong…

I doubt thou that fans at 100% would do any harm, even for days. The processor 
and other components will just be cooler, the noise greater, and the fans will 
be worn out faster. But I agree this isn't something you generally want for a 
temperature management.

BTW, which version of Mac OS X are you using?

In any case, the fans behave strangely while working and it is, if nothing 
else, often just annoying when it happens.

Cheers,
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Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard

2011-12-02 Thread Mac User #330250
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Subject: Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard
Date:Thursday, 01. December 2011
From:Tina K. penguir...@gmail.com
To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
 On 2011/12/01 14:41, Dan so eloquently wrote:
  At 9:41 PM +0100 12/1/2011, Mac User #330250 wrote:
  Might the issue be fixed if I clean out the dust, which I presume must
  be there after all these years (I didn't look too deep into it yet)?
  
  Yea.  Crud is one of the biggest causes of heat build-up.  Just be sure
  you don't dislodge any cards or cables while you're vaccming 
  cleaning
 
 If you're going to vacuum the case, it can't hurt to ground it. Static
 isn't usually a problem, but when it is it can be a big problem.
 
 
 Tina

Thanks. To be honest, I never used compressed air (vacuum?) to clean the 
inside of a computer before. I used to disassemble it all, clean it by blowing 
over it or with an appropriate wet cloth.

My problem here is that I don't have too much time to get it done, so 
disassembling is no option. And for the vacuum cleaning, well, that's new to 
me.

Anyway, I'll keep the static charge/grounding issue in mind…

Cheers,
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Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard

2011-12-02 Thread Mac User #330250
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Subject: Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard
Date:Friday, 02. December 2011
From:Steve Schmidt mac...@gmail.com
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 I have similar issue with my g5 dual 2.7. I just got received the computer
 last night and is my first  g5 so figured it was normal fan operation. The
 fan speed goes up with something as simple as opening a web browser with
 nothing else running. I'm running the same leopard version. The insides
 look fairly clean. Sorry no solution for you. I got the same thing going
 on.
 
 Steve

Thanks. I would think that a 2.7 GHz may be loader than a Dual 2.0 GHz. But 
maybe I'm wrong…

Cheers,
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Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard

2011-12-02 Thread Mac User #330250
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Subject: Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard
Date:Thursday, 01. December 2011
From:JohnCarmonne carmo...@aol.com
To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com

 The G5 Power Mac will work harder and slower with10.5.8. I use 10.4.11 and
 10.5.8 on my G5 Power Mac Dual 2.7.The removal of dust will make a
 difference. What CPU temps do you get between the systems? Also ASD 2.5.7
 will check a lot more than the AHT on the start up disk. I would basically
 disassemble it and give a good cleaning with compressed air (not the
 little cans) I use a unit like this to do the job.
 
 http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=data+vacoe=utf-8um=1ie=UTF-8tb
 m=shopcid=4249165964897137846sa=Xei=funXTvucJo2GiQLiuLCtCgved=0CI4BEPMC
 MAE
 
 John Carmonne
 Yorba Linda CA
 92886 USA
 MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem

Thanks. I think I can get compressed are cans from somewhere, but I'll inform 
myself about what you pointed me to.

What is ASD?
I did ran AHT on it which didn't find any errors. It ran for about two hours 
thou, which I thought was very very long…

So, again: thanks for the link!
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard

2011-12-02 Thread Mac User #330250
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Subject: Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard
Date:Thursday, 01. December 2011
From:Dan dantear...@gmail.com
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 Install a temp monitoring gizmo, such as iStat Menus and keep and eye
 on things...

Okay, I used iStat Menus 2.0 which was still DonationWare, so it was basically 
free of charge unless you wanted to pay.

There seems to be a bug there with the drive bay sensor or iStat Menus reading 
it because is constantly shows 1000°C.

It basically operates at:
CPU A: 51 to 63°C
CPU A Amb: around 47 to 50°C
CPU B: around 53°C
CPU B Amb: around 45°C
U3 Headsink: 57°C almost constantly
CPU fans: at the beginning at 300rpm, after some time at around 300-1200rpm
(CPU fans are: CPU A Intake, CPU A Exhaust, CPU B Intake, CPU B Exhaust)
Slots always stays at 73rpm.

When the rpm goes up and down again slowly, it went streigt from 300rpm to 
almost 3000rpm (which is load!). Later the rpm was at 300rpm, say around 
600rpm, but also at 1200rpm for some time. Still, it started to slowly go to 
just before 3000rpm, then slowly go down to 1000 again. The CPU A temperature 
did go down, yes, but there is no pattern: it started at a CPU A temperature 
of 55°C as well as with 62°C. But why? This is some kind of odd behaviour to 
me.

I have to check with 10.4 yet to see what goes on there.

Any thoughts?

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Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard

2011-12-01 Thread Mac User #330250
Hello!

I've a strange issue when I use my Power Mac G5 (original PowerMac7,2 from 
2003, Dual 2.0 GHz):
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/stats/powermac_g5_2.0_dp.html

When I use Mac OS X 10.3.9 on it, everything is fine.

When I use Mac OS X 10.4.11 on it, just like with Panther.

But, when I use Mac OS X 10.5.8, the fans will just start to slowly increase 
rpm so that they make a lot of nose (but not the max. rpm, just a higher one), 
then go down to normal. This just happend after approx. 30 minutes after 
switching it on and working on it. It was already heated up as it was running 
on 10.4.11 before. It would continue to do the fan rpm increase/decrease every 
3-5 minutes or so. I was doing some installation of verious applications, so 
the processor must have done a lot of work, but not constantly at 100% like 
with a benchmark application.

I've had this before, but with an older firmware. This behavior was gone – so I 
thought – with the firmware update, but I was only using 10.3.9 after the 
update… until now.


So, how is it with a G5 and Leopard? Are there any known issues that I just 
didn't find yet?

Are you using your G5 Power Macs with Tiger or with Leopard?

Might the issue be fixed if I clean out the dust, which I presume must be there 
after all these years (I didn't look too deep into it yet)?


Thanks in advance,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard

2011-12-01 Thread Valter Prahlad
Il giorno 1-12-2011 21:41, Mac User #330250 ha scritto:

 But, when I use Mac OS X 10.5.8, the fans will just start to slowly increase

 I was doing some installation of verious applications, so
 the processor must have done a lot of work
I think this invalid your comparison.
Try using 10.5 with regular usage or, better yet, doing nothing (have a
coffee! Watch the clouds! ;-D ).

If the revving up still happens, THEN we know there's something going on.

 Are you using your G5 Power Macs with Tiger or with Leopard?
I'm using it with Tiger, and fans just rev up every now and then, for 2-3
seconds (but mine is liquid cooled), no big deal.

 Might the issue be fixed if I clean out the dust
Cleaning dust is a good thing to do... but dust wouldn't create a difference
between OSes.
But since opening the G5 is so easy, just vacuum it and see how it goes when
clean. :-)

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Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard

2011-12-01 Thread Mac User #330250
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Subject: Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard
Date:Thursday, 01. December 2011
From:Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it
To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
 Il giorno 1-12-2011 21:41, Mac User #330250 ha scritto:
  But, when I use Mac OS X 10.5.8, the fans will just start to slowly
  increase
  
  I was doing some installation of verious applications, so
  the processor must have done a lot of work
 
 I think this invalid your comparison.
 Try using 10.5 with regular usage or, better yet, doing nothing (have a
 coffee! Watch the clouds! ;-D ).
 
 If the revving up still happens, THEN we know there's something going on.

I'll check this. Thanks for the hint.

  Are you using your G5 Power Macs with Tiger or with Leopard?
 
 I'm using it with Tiger, and fans just rev up every now and then, for 2-3
 seconds (but mine is liquid cooled), no big deal.

My other G5, a Late 2005 model (PowerMac11,2), also 2.0 GHz (Dual Core) didn't 
have this behaviour. Both models are air cooled.

  Might the issue be fixed if I clean out the dust
 
 Cleaning dust is a good thing to do... but dust wouldn't create a
 difference between OSes.
 But since opening the G5 is so easy, just vacuum it and see how it goes
 when clean. :-)

I'll get to it as soon as I can. I don't have a vacuum can at hand. I'll get 
one.


Thanks,
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Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard

2011-12-01 Thread Tina K.

On 2011/12/01 14:41, Dan so eloquently wrote:

At 9:41 PM +0100 12/1/2011, Mac User #330250 wrote:



Might the issue be fixed if I clean out the dust, which I presume must be there
after all these years (I didn't look too deep into it yet)?


Yea.  Crud is one of the biggest causes of heat build-up.  Just be sure you 
don't
dislodge any cards or cables while you're vaccming  cleaning


If you're going to vacuum the case, it can't hurt to ground it. Static isn't 
usually a problem, but when it is it can be a big problem.



Tina

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Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard

2011-12-01 Thread JohnCarmonne

On Dec 1, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:

 Hello!
 
 I've a strange issue when I use my Power Mac G5 (original PowerMac7,2 from 
 2003, Dual 2.0 GHz):
 http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/stats/powermac_g5_2.0_dp.html
 
 When I use Mac OS X 10.3.9 on it, everything is fine.
 
 When I use Mac OS X 10.4.11 on it, just like with Panther.
 
 But, when I use Mac OS X 10.5.8, the fans will just start to slowly increase 
 rpm so that they make a lot of nose (but not the max. rpm, just a higher 
 one), 
 then go down to normal. This just happend after approx. 30 minutes after 
 switching it on and working on it. It was already heated up as it was running 
 on 10.4.11 before. It would continue to do the fan rpm increase/decrease 
 every 
 3-5 minutes or so. I was doing some installation of verious applications, so 
 the processor must have done a lot of work, but not constantly at 100% like 
 with a benchmark application.
 
 I've had this before, but with an older firmware. This behavior was gone – so 
 I 
 thought – with the firmware update, but I was only using 10.3.9 after the 
 update… until now.
 
 
 So, how is it with a G5 and Leopard? Are there any known issues that I just 
 didn't find yet?
 
 Are you using your G5 Power Macs with Tiger or with Leopard?
 
 Might the issue be fixed if I clean out the dust, which I presume must be 
 there 
 after all these years (I didn't look too deep into it yet)?
 
 
 Thanks in advance,
 Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250
 

The G5 Power Mac will work harder and slower with10.5.8. I use 10.4.11 and 
10.5.8 on my G5 Power Mac Dual 2.7.The removal of dust will make a difference. 
What CPU temps do you get between the systems? Also ASD 2.5.7 will check a lot 
more than the AHT on the start up disk. I would basically disassemble it and 
give a good cleaning with compressed air (not the little cans) I use a unit 
like this to do the job.  

http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=data+vacoe=utf-8um=1ie=UTF-8tbm=shopcid=4249165964897137846sa=Xei=funXTvucJo2GiQLiuLCtCgved=0CI4BEPMCMAE

John Carmonne
Yorba Linda CA
92886 USA
MacPro 2.66 Quad Nehalem






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Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard

2011-12-01 Thread David W. Morris


On Dec 1, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:


So, how is it with a G5 and Leopard? Are there any known issues that  
I just

didn't find yet?

Are you using your G5 Power Macs with Tiger or with Leopard?

Might the issue be fixed if I clean out the dust, which I presume  
must be there

after all these years (I didn't look too deep into it yet)?


Thanks in advance,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250


It does not sound like strange behavior to me that a later OS release  
might use more resources and generate more heat, so the fans would  
kick on occasionally.  It is just normal operation.  Did you expect  
your fans to never speed up while using your G5?  The usage does not  
have to be at 100% of CPU load to get the fans to speed up.


As Valter wrote, it is never a bad idea to clean the inside of any of  
your computers.


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Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard

2011-12-01 Thread Steve Schmidt
I have similar issue with my g5 dual 2.7. I just got received the computer last 
night and is my first  g5 so figured it was normal fan operation. The fan speed 
goes up with something as simple as opening a web browser with nothing else 
running. I'm running the same leopard version. The insides look fairly clean. 
Sorry no solution for you. I got the same thing going on.

Steve 


On Dec 1, 2011, at 12:41 PM, Mac User #330250 macuser330...@gmx.net wrote:

 Hello!
 
 I've a strange issue when I use my Power Mac G5 (original PowerMac7,2 from 
 2003, Dual 2.0 GHz):
 http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powermac_g5/stats/powermac_g5_2.0_dp.html
 
 When I use Mac OS X 10.3.9 on it, everything is fine.
 
 When I use Mac OS X 10.4.11 on it, just like with Panther.
 
 But, when I use Mac OS X 10.5.8, the fans will just start to slowly increase 
 rpm so that they make a lot of nose (but not the max. rpm, just a higher 
 one), 
 then go down to normal. This just happend after approx. 30 minutes after 
 switching it on and working on it. It was already heated up as it was running 
 on 10.4.11 before. It would continue to do the fan rpm increase/decrease 
 every 
 3-5 minutes or so. I was doing some installation of verious applications, so 
 the processor must have done a lot of work, but not constantly at 100% like 
 with a benchmark application.
 
 I've had this before, but with an older firmware. This behavior was gone – so 
 I 
 thought – with the firmware update, but I was only using 10.3.9 after the 
 update… until now.
 
 
 So, how is it with a G5 and Leopard? Are there any known issues that I just 
 didn't find yet?
 
 Are you using your G5 Power Macs with Tiger or with Leopard?
 
 Might the issue be fixed if I clean out the dust, which I presume must be 
 there 
 after all these years (I didn't look too deep into it yet)?
 
 
 Thanks in advance,
 Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250
 
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Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard

2011-12-01 Thread Mac User #330250
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Subject: Re: Strange fan issue with G5 + Leopard
Date:Thursday, 01. December 2011
From:David W. Morris bbh...@gmail.com
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 It does not sound like strange behavior to me that a later OS release
 might use more resources and generate more heat, so the fans would
 kick on occasionally.  It is just normal operation.  Did you expect
 your fans to never speed up while using your G5?  The usage does not
 have to be at 100% of CPU load to get the fans to speed up.

No, I didn't expect anything. I just noticed quite a difference between working 
on Panther/Tiger and then working on Leopard.

But additional features on Leopard seem like a reasonable explanation. Just 
not a satisfying one, but all I have right now.

The fans stayed at low rpm all the time while I used Panther. I was doing the 
same stuff I now did on Leopard: installing applications.


Thanks.
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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