Re: Video upgrade
On 2011/05/09 08:52, Jeff Bequette so eloquently wrote: I have the low end June 2004 1.8 DP G5 with the Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 (64mb) video card on the AGP bus. From Mactracker, it looks like the Radeon 9800XT or Nvidia Geforce 6800 Ultra Ddl 256mb For Power Mac G5 will work as a replacement cards-Also I might presume AGP? Any preferences or better reviews? My PM G5 came with the 6800 Ultra as a BTO option. The 6800s were known for running hot; mine was replaced a year or two in under warranty when it went bad. I would recommend the XT 800 over the 6800 Ultra. Tina -- iMac 20" USB 2 1.25GHz G4 2GB RAM GeForceFX5200 Ultra 64MB VRAM 10.4.11 PB G4 15" HR-DLSD 1.67GHz G4 2GB RAM Radeon 9700 128MB VRAM 10.4.11 Mac Pro Mid-2010 2.8 GHz QC 6 GB RAM Radeon HD 5770 1GB VRAM 10.6.7 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video upgrade
On May 9, 10:52 am, Jeff Bequette wrote: > I have the low end June 2004 1.8 DP G5 with the Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 > (64mb) video card on the AGP bus. I've run a GeForce 6200/256 AGP and a eForce 7800 GT/AGP in my DP G5 and either one is a big improvement over the OEM card. The 7800 GT is arguably the best AGP you can get. There are no Mac versions of these per se, but they end up being cheaper than Mac cards if you can get the PC version and convert it. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video upgrade
Il giorno 9-05-2011 16:52, Jeff Bequette ha scritto: > I have the low end June 2004 1.8 DP G5 with the Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 > (64mb) video card on the AGP bus. The FX 5200 is quite a low performer, so anything recent should be better. > From Mactracker, it looks like the > Radeon 9800XT or Nvidia Geforce 6800 Ultra Ddl 256mb For Power Mac G5 > will work as a replacement cards I think both cards are huge improvements over the FX 5200. > Can i run a newer card in the PCI slots? I presume you can, but a PCI card would be severely limited by the bus, compared to the AGP bus (designed for higher performance with video cards). Usually, you add a PCI video card to run a second monitor, where you don't need high performances. > Would this upgrade (noticeably) speed up games like Civ 3 or Sims? Mhhh... those kind of games shouldn't be very much 3D intensive (compared to games like Doom or Halo, I mean). So they could be more relying on CPU power; hence, the improvement could be relative (I could be wrong, thou). However, the video cards you mentioned are so much better than your FX 5200, that you'll get some improvement for sure. And it will be an investment for the future (keeping your G5 usable for a longer time). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Video upgrade
I have the low end June 2004 1.8 DP G5 with the Nvidia GeForce FX 5200 (64mb) video card on the AGP bus. From Mactracker, it looks like the Radeon 9800XT or Nvidia Geforce 6800 Ultra Ddl 256mb For Power Mac G5 will work as a replacement cards-Also I might presume AGP? Any preferences or better reviews? Can i run a newer card in the PCI slots? Would this upgrade (noticeably) speed up games like Civ 3 or Sims? G5 1.8 DP 4gs Ram, 10.5.8 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video upgrade options for a Gigabit Ethernet G4
On Nov 26, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Bill Connelly wrote: > > On Nov 26, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Michael B. in Cincinnati wrote: > >> The one limitation I find with this machine is YouTube. I'm a career >> college instructor, and there's a lot of video resources on YouTube >> that I can't use with this machine. It just takes too much CPU >> horsepower. > Same bad behavior with YouTube videos. I believe its actually Adobe's > Flash Player we're having difficulty with playback in our browsers. > > If I download the YouTube video, it plays fine using VLC. No herky- > jerky behavior like in the browsers. This isn't the machine's fault, its Adobe's bad flash player for Mac and Linux. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video upgrade options for a Gigabit Ethernet G4
On Nov 26, 2009, at 10:50 AM, Michael B. in Cincinnati wrote: > I have a DP 533 DA, and I also installed a flashed GeForce 6200 AGP > card. It made a significant difference; between that and an Acard SATA > card, my machine is pretty useful. My test application was Klondyke > Forever; the animation with the Rage 128 card was unusable, but with > the 6200, it runs smoothly and easily. > > The one limitation I find with this machine is YouTube. I'm a career > college instructor, and there's a lot of video resources on YouTube > that I can't use with this machine. It just takes too much CPU > horsepower. Although this machine is fine in most other respects > (browsing, streaming audio, office applications, etc), that one issue > has me looking wistfully at used G5's. I know that Mac Mini's are a > cheap way into the current Apple Intel system, but I'm an engineer and > a tower guy. > - Michael B. in Cincinnati I have the "same" DA Dual 533 with SATA card and now an agp ATI Radeon 9800 Pro. I love the historical Jazz performers you find on YouTube. Same bad behavior with YouTube videos. I believe its actually Adobe's Flash Player we're having difficulty with playback in our browsers. If I download the YouTube video, it plays fine using VLC. No herky- jerky behavior like in the browsers. Boo Adobe? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video upgrade options for a Gigabit Ethernet G4
I have a DP 533 DA, and I also installed a flashed GeForce 6200 AGP card. It made a significant difference; between that and an Acard SATA card, my machine is pretty useful. My test application was Klondyke Forever; the animation with the Rage 128 card was unusable, but with the 6200, it runs smoothly and easily. The one limitation I find with this machine is YouTube. I'm a career college instructor, and there's a lot of video resources on YouTube that I can't use with this machine. It just takes too much CPU horsepower. Although this machine is fine in most other respects (browsing, streaming audio, office applications, etc), that one issue has me looking wistfully at used G5's. I know that Mac Mini's are a cheap way into the current Apple Intel system, but I'm an engineer and a tower guy. - Michael B. in Cincinnati On Nov 24, 12:23 am, Stewie de Young wrote: > A flashed Radeon 9800 256mb card off ebay will set you back $200 but is > probably the best you could get for a 2X AGP slot. > It depends on how much you want to spend too. > A 128mb version of the same card would set you back $125 or more. > I just bought a flashed nVidia 6200 256mb for my 2X AGP Cube and is quite > good too and at only Au$99 is pretty good value in my opinion. > Don't forget these are flashed PC cards. Retail Mac versions of the same > video cards are probably double that at least. > An AGP card is also a lot faster than its PCI equivalent as well. > > Stewie > > > > > From: g...@gmx.net > > To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Video upgrade options for a Gigabit Ethernet G4 > > Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:08:03 +0100 > > > I`m slowly upgrading an old G4 Gigabit Ethernet for the young son of a > > friend. > > > I have already maxed out the memory through the LEM swapt list and it works > > much better with 2Gb of RAM (the system is currently running OS 10.4.11). > > > It is still used to play games and the original ATI Rage 128 with 16mb VRAM > > isn`t up to the task of running Medal of Honor as fluidly as it should. > > > Being not too familiar with this model, and after a Google search, I`m > > looking for advice on how to upgrade the video card. > > > As I have been able to check, this model only has an AGP x2 slot for video > > cards, plus the PCIs. > > > The ATI Radeon 7500 Mac Edition seems to be compatible, but at 32Mb doesn`t > > seems to provide much advantage for mid-2000s needs! > > > Has anybody proceeded with such upgrade and, if so, which cards have been > > used? I guess going for PCI would be better, although I`m not sure the speed > > of the PCI slots of this model can run "modern" cards. > > > Thanks! > > > Gorka from Spain. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > > Macs. > > The list FAQ is athttp://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtmland our netiquette > > guide is athttp://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > > _ > Download new and classic emoticon packs at Emoticon World Brought to you > exclusively by Windows Livehttp://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/emoticon.aspx? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video upgrade options for a Gigabit Ethernet G4
Well, that computer is also occasionally used by his older son, studying design, for design/Photoshop work! Try to do that with a contemporary PC box :) Gorka - Original Message - From: "Kasey Smith" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 9:26 PM Subject: Re: Video upgrade options for a Gigabit Ethernet G4 > > On Nov 25, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Stewie de Young wrote: > >> Gorka , I use my dual 533MHz Digital Audio ( only about a year >> younger than yours ) - OS10.3.9 , 1.5Gb Ram, 256mb video card, 80gb >> + 120Gb HDs as my main machine 8 hours a day drawing CAD plans for >> houses. >> It is stable , fast ( fast enough for my CAD program anyway ) easy >> to work on and easy to expand. >> I earn a good living using this machine so your GigE still has many >> useful years left in it for sure. > > > And I use a 400MHz PowerMac G3 with a second monitor as my main > machine. It is plenty fast for IRC, web browsing, iTunes, and Mail > all at the same time! (dual monitors helps) Oh, i also have XBolo, > Otto Matic, and Chopper on it for games! :) > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list > > > __ Información de ESET NOD32 Antivirus, versión de la base de > firmas de virus 4637 (20091125) __ > > ESET NOD32 Antivirus ha comprobado este mensaje. > > http://www.eset.com > > -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video upgrade options for a Gigabit Ethernet G4
Has anyone tried the 64mb ATI Radeon 9600 Pro shipped with 2004 PowerMac G5s in older G4 towers? My friend`s G5 uses this card and I would like to know if it could be replaced by something better and moved to the G4 Gigabit. This would be a symbiotic move between the Macs! Searched Google but it isn`t clear if this card can be used in AGP x2 slots! Gorka -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video upgrade options for a Gigabit Ethernet G4
On Nov 25, 2009, at 12:38 PM, Stewie de Young wrote: > Gorka , I use my dual 533MHz Digital Audio ( only about a year > younger than yours ) - OS10.3.9 , 1.5Gb Ram, 256mb video card, 80gb > + 120Gb HDs as my main machine 8 hours a day drawing CAD plans for > houses. > It is stable , fast ( fast enough for my CAD program anyway ) easy > to work on and easy to expand. > I earn a good living using this machine so your GigE still has many > useful years left in it for sure. And I use a 400MHz PowerMac G3 with a second monitor as my main machine. It is plenty fast for IRC, web browsing, iTunes, and Mail all at the same time! (dual monitors helps) Oh, i also have XBolo, Otto Matic, and Chopper on it for games! :) -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video upgrade options for a Gigabit Ethernet G4
On Nov 23, 5:08 pm, "Gorka L Martinez Mezo" wrote: > I`m slowly upgrading an old G4 Gigabit Ethernet for the young son of a > friend. > > > It is still used to play games and the original ATI Rage 128 with 16mb VRAM > isn`t up to the task of running Medal of Honor as fluidly as it should. > > Being not too familiar with this model, and after a Google search, I`m > looking for advice on how to upgrade the video card. snip > The ATI Radeon 7500 Mac Edition seems to be compatible, but at 32Mb doesn`t > seems to provide much advantage for mid-2000s needs! For the time, the 32MB Radeon 7500 was a significant upgrade from the 16MB Rage. The other option is a GeForce 2MX. IIRC, they were pretty much top of the line then. Twice the vram and faster processor yielded a significant speed bump. Here is a link to a Barefeats test of the Radeon, GeForce and the Rage in a 466 DA. http://www.barefeats.com/graphiX.htm While the DA has a 4X AGP, the speed differences will be similar to a 2X slot. It shows the Radeon and the GeForce as anywhere from 5% to 300% faster than the Rage Pro. I would go with one of those as a bang for the buck test. Now if you have games that run under OS 9, there is a pci card that blows them away, the VooDoo 5 5000. The meanest, badest, fastest pci video card, but not supported under OS X. HTH, Len -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RE: Video upgrade options for a Gigabit Ethernet G4
> within a reasonable budget! :) > > This is a nine years old machine and while nice to work with, is well past > its prime. This is mostly a budget hobby project with the aim of turning it > into a chepao gaming machine (within its limits) and kid computer. > > Gorka Gorka , I use my dual 533MHz Digital Audio ( only about a year younger than yours ) - OS10.3.9 , 1.5Gb Ram, 256mb video card, 80gb + 120Gb HDs as my main machine 8 hours a day drawing CAD plans for houses. It is stable , fast ( fast enough for my CAD program anyway ) easy to work on and easy to expand. I earn a good living using this machine so your GigE still has many useful years left in it for sure. What budget are you setting for the video card ? Look at the games your kids intend to play on this machine then see what the min system requirements are for each game. That should be a fair indicator of what you need to buy. A nice upgrade would be a Radeon 9200 128mb card - about $75+ on ebay Stewie _ Looking to move this spring? With all the lastest places, searching has never been easier. Look now! http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video upgrade options for a Gigabit Ethernet G4
> I think at the lower end of the scale like a 16mb 2 x AGP vs a 16mb PCI > card there would be very little difference but when you start to compare a > 128mb PCI vs a 128mb 4 x AGP card there would be a much bigger disparity > in performance. > See here for a comparison > http://www.cs.umd.edu/class/fall2001/cmsc411/projects/agp/pci_vs_agp.htm > In this case for Gorka , I mentioned these upper end ATI and nVidia cards > ( for a GigE anyway )because he sounded like he wanted a big increase in > pixel pushing power. within a reasonable budget! :) This is a nine years old machine and while nice to work with, is well past its prime. This is mostly a budget hobby project with the aim of turning it into a chepao gaming machine (within its limits) and kid computer. Gorka -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RE: Video upgrade options for a Gigabit Ethernet G4
I think at the lower end of the scale like a 16mb 2 x AGP vs a 16mb PCI card there would be very little difference but when you start to compare a 128mb PCI vs a 128mb 4 x AGP card there would be a much bigger disparity in performance. See here for a comparison http://www.cs.umd.edu/class/fall2001/cmsc411/projects/agp/pci_vs_agp.htm In this case for Gorka , I mentioned these upper end ATI and nVidia cards ( for a GigE anyway )because he sounded like he wanted a big increase in pixel pushing power. Stewie > From: kasm...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: Video upgrade options for a Gigabit Ethernet G4 > Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 15:05:22 -0700 > To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > > I get about the same performance from them, although Otto Matic is a > tad bit slower now that i have the two displays... ): > On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:42 PM, John Niven wrote: > > > -- On Tue, 11/24/09, Kasey Smith wrote: > >> I have a second Rage 128 in my > >> PowerMac G3. I kinds got mixed up > >> there, but oh well. > > > > So the question is: do you get different performance from the two > > cards. > > I.E. is the speed of the PCI slot the limitation? > > > > I think the 66MHz PCI slot is really just a prototype APG slot, and > > runs the same speed as a 2X AGP. > > > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a > > group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a > > particular focus on Power Macs. > > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ > > group/g3-5-list > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list _ Looking for a date? View photos of singles in your area! http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/ -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video upgrade options for a Gigabit Ethernet G4
I get about the same performance from them, although Otto Matic is a tad bit slower now that i have the two displays... ): On Nov 24, 2009, at 2:42 PM, John Niven wrote: > -- On Tue, 11/24/09, Kasey Smith wrote: >> I have a second Rage 128 in my >> PowerMac G3. I kinds got mixed up >> there, but oh well. > > So the question is: do you get different performance from the two > cards. > I.E. is the speed of the PCI slot the limitation? > > I think the 66MHz PCI slot is really just a prototype APG slot, and > runs the same speed as a 2X AGP. > > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a > group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a > particular focus on Power Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our > netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ > group/g3-5-list -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video upgrade options for a Gigabit Ethernet G4
-- On Tue, 11/24/09, Kasey Smith wrote: > I have a second Rage 128 in my > PowerMac G3. I kinds got mixed up > there, but oh well. So the question is: do you get different performance from the two cards. I.E. is the speed of the PCI slot the limitation? I think the 66MHz PCI slot is really just a prototype APG slot, and runs the same speed as a 2X AGP. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video upgrade options for a Gigabit Ethernet G4
I have a second Rage 128 in my PowerMac G3. I kinds got mixed up there, but oh well. On Nov 24, 2009, at 1:07 PM, John Niven wrote: > --- On Tue, 11/24/09, Kasey Smith wrote: >> An AGP card is also a lot faster than its PCI >> equivalent as well. > >> Not all AGP cards are faster, a >> AGP 1x (never used by Apple) is equivalent to the >> 33MHz, 64-bit PCI slot used in the PowerMac G3 B&W and >> the early G4s > > The B&W has a single 66MHz 32bit PCI slot, which is "dedicated" to > the video card. It's not dedicated. You can use one of the other > 33MHz 64bit slots for a video card, and put another card in that > video slot. > > I did this once with a 66MHz PCI sata card. I figured I was more > interested in disk access than video speed on that machine (was > used as file sever). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video upgrade options for a Gigabit Ethernet G4
--- On Tue, 11/24/09, Kasey Smith wrote: > An AGP card is also a lot faster than its PCI > equivalent as well. > Not all AGP cards are faster, a > AGP 1x (never used by Apple) is equivalent to the > 33MHz, 64-bit PCI slot used in the PowerMac G3 B&W and > the early G4s The B&W has a single 66MHz 32bit PCI slot, which is "dedicated" to the video card. It's not dedicated. You can use one of the other 33MHz 64bit slots for a video card, and put another card in that video slot. I did this once with a 66MHz PCI sata card. I figured I was more interested in disk access than video speed on that machine (was used as file sever). -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Re: Video upgrade options for a Gigabit Ethernet G4
On Nov 23, 2009, at 10:23 PM, Stewie de Young wrote: > > An AGP card is also a lot faster than its PCI equivalent as well. > Not all AGP cards are faster, a AGP 1x (never used by Apple) is equivalent to the 33MHz, 64-bit PCI slot used in the PowerMac G3 B&W and the early G4s -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
RE: Video upgrade options for a Gigabit Ethernet G4
A flashed Radeon 9800 256mb card off ebay will set you back $200 but is probably the best you could get for a 2X AGP slot. It depends on how much you want to spend too. A 128mb version of the same card would set you back $125 or more. I just bought a flashed nVidia 6200 256mb for my 2X AGP Cube and is quite good too and at only Au$99 is pretty good value in my opinion. Don't forget these are flashed PC cards. Retail Mac versions of the same video cards are probably double that at least. An AGP card is also a lot faster than its PCI equivalent as well. Stewie > From: g...@gmx.net > To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > Subject: Video upgrade options for a Gigabit Ethernet G4 > Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:08:03 +0100 > > I`m slowly upgrading an old G4 Gigabit Ethernet for the young son of a > friend. > > I have already maxed out the memory through the LEM swapt list and it works > much better with 2Gb of RAM (the system is currently running OS 10.4.11). > > It is still used to play games and the original ATI Rage 128 with 16mb VRAM > isn`t up to the task of running Medal of Honor as fluidly as it should. > > Being not too familiar with this model, and after a Google search, I`m > looking for advice on how to upgrade the video card. > > As I have been able to check, this model only has an AGP x2 slot for video > cards, plus the PCIs. > > The ATI Radeon 7500 Mac Edition seems to be compatible, but at 32Mb doesn`t > seems to provide much advantage for mid-2000s needs! > > Has anybody proceeded with such upgrade and, if so, which cards have been > used? I guess going for PCI would be better, although I`m not sure the speed > of the PCI slots of this model can run "modern" cards. > > Thanks! > > Gorka from Spain. > > -- > You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for > those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power > Macs. > The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette > guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml > To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list _ Download new and classic emoticon packs at Emoticon World Brought to you exclusively by Windows Live http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/emoticon.aspx? -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
Video upgrade options for a Gigabit Ethernet G4
I`m slowly upgrading an old G4 Gigabit Ethernet for the young son of a friend. I have already maxed out the memory through the LEM swapt list and it works much better with 2Gb of RAM (the system is currently running OS 10.4.11). It is still used to play games and the original ATI Rage 128 with 16mb VRAM isn`t up to the task of running Medal of Honor as fluidly as it should. Being not too familiar with this model, and after a Google search, I`m looking for advice on how to upgrade the video card. As I have been able to check, this model only has an AGP x2 slot for video cards, plus the PCIs. The ATI Radeon 7500 Mac Edition seems to be compatible, but at 32Mb doesn`t seems to provide much advantage for mid-2000s needs! Has anybody proceeded with such upgrade and, if so, which cards have been used? I guess going for PCI would be better, although I`m not sure the speed of the PCI slots of this model can run "modern" cards. Thanks! Gorka from Spain. -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list
ADC Video upgrade for dual G5
I have a dual 1.8GHz G5 with an AGP 8x NVidia 5200 connected to an 22" Apple Cinema Display, with the infamous ADC connector. Given the lack of graphics power in the 5200, I'd like to upgrade. As far as I can tell my upgrade options would be a factory original Radeon 9600. There were aftermarket 9800 and X800 boards available, but I'm not sure that they had ADC connectors. I've also seen Radeon 9000's available at somewhat reasonable prices, but research seems to indicate that they only work in G4's. Can anyone clarify this situation and provide me with some advice on reasonably priced upgrades (say ~$60). Thanks! Eric --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: video upgrade
On Mar 11, 2009, at 12:48 PM, Ralph Green wrote: > > On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 09:13 -0700, Bruce Johnson wrote: >> On Mar 11, 2009, at 8:28 AM, abrock wrote: >>> http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Sapphire-100545-SR- >>> Radeon9000Pro-Graphics-Card-Refurbished/3504887/product.html? >>> sec_iid=33972 >>> >>> BIOS? Says it supports Apple displays (ADC). >> >> No it doesn't. There is no ADC connector on that thing, an ADC > Howdy, > I contacted Overstock to find out if the picture was wrond or the > description. The card they have for sale does not include an ADC. > They > said they would update the sale page soon. > I'd like a decent cheap video card for a Gigabit G4, so I checked. > Good day, > Ralph You can always put a WTB (Want to buy) on the swaplist. I saw one on there today looking for a similar video card. And then there is always Ebay, just be sure the card you buy is for a Mac. HTH Just a message from Doug... http://groups.google.com/group/hq-a <+> A home for the Hackintosh community. To subscribe to the HQ-A group, send email to hq-a +subscr...@googlegroups.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: video upgrade
Ralph Green wrote: > On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 09:13 -0700, Bruce Johnson wrote: > >> On Mar 11, 2009, at 8:28 AM, abrock wrote: >> >>> http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Sapphire-100545-SR-Radeon9000Pro-Graphics-Card-Refurbished/3504887/product.html?sec_iid=33972 >>> >>> BIOS? Says it supports Apple displays (ADC). >>> >> No it doesn't. There is no ADC connector on that thing, an ADC >> > Howdy, > I contacted Overstock to find out if the picture was wrond or the > description. The card they have for sale does not include an ADC. They > said they would update the sale page soon. > I'd like a decent cheap video card for a Gigabit G4, so I checked. > Good day, > Ralph > > The card is "Sapphire" brand. It has the Radeon 9000Pro chipset but it IS a PC card. I believel Mac Radeon cards are ATI branded - except those flashed by their owners. Someone out there might know better. Don't know about flashing the 9000, though. Google should help. Ted --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: video upgrade
On Wed, 2009-03-11 at 09:13 -0700, Bruce Johnson wrote: > On Mar 11, 2009, at 8:28 AM, abrock wrote: > > http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Sapphire-100545-SR-Radeon9000Pro-Graphics-Card-Refurbished/3504887/product.html?sec_iid=33972 > > > > BIOS? Says it supports Apple displays (ADC). > > No it doesn't. There is no ADC connector on that thing, an ADC Howdy, I contacted Overstock to find out if the picture was wrond or the description. The card they have for sale does not include an ADC. They said they would update the sale page soon. I'd like a decent cheap video card for a Gigabit G4, so I checked. Good day, Ralph --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: video upgrade
It is between the d-sub and the dvi. Mike Baker wrote: > > I don't think it has s-video, at least not in the description. > > --- On Wed, 3/11/09, pdimage wrote: > >> From: pdimage >> Subject: Re: video upgrade >> To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" >> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 12:02 PM >> >> On 11/3/09 15:28, "abrock" >> wrote: >> >>> Hello All, >>> I would like to upgrade the video card in my G4 >> Digital Audio (466). >>> I'm on a tight budget, and I found this on overstock. >>> >>> http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Sapphire-100545-SR-Radeon9000Pro-Graphics >>> -Card-Refurbished/3504887/product.html?sec_iid=33972 >>> >>> My question is. Will it work in my G4? Or will I have >> to flash the >>> BIOS? Says it supports Apple displays (ADC). >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Alex >> Looks like a mistake - can't have vga, dvi >> and adcand s-video... >> >> >> Pete >> >> The Radeon 9000 is not easy to flash as I recall >> >> >> > > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: video upgrade
I don't think it has s-video, at least not in the description. --- On Wed, 3/11/09, pdimage wrote: > From: pdimage > Subject: Re: video upgrade > To: "g3-5-list@googlegroups.com" > Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 12:02 PM > > On 11/3/09 15:28, "abrock" > wrote: > > > > > Hello All, > > I would like to upgrade the video card in my G4 > Digital Audio (466). > > I'm on a tight budget, and I found this on overstock. > > > > http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Sapphire-100545-SR-Radeon9000Pro-Graphics > > -Card-Refurbished/3504887/product.html?sec_iid=33972 > > > > My question is. Will it work in my G4? Or will I have > to flash the > > BIOS? Says it supports Apple displays (ADC). > > > > Thanks, > > Alex > > Looks like a mistake - can't have vga, dvi > and adcand s-video... > > > Pete > > The Radeon 9000 is not easy to flash as I recall > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: video upgrade
The image of the card shows three outputs, and it may support Apple displays, but I doubt it supports being installed in an Apple computer. I would say you have to flash it, and I would listen to Pete about the difficulty level. Peace, Dennis pdimage wrote: > On 11/3/09 15:28, "abrock" wrote: > >> Hello All, >> I would like to upgrade the video card in my G4 Digital Audio (466). >> I'm on a tight budget, and I found this on overstock. >> >> http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Sapphire-100545-SR-Radeon9000Pro-Graphics >> -Card-Refurbished/3504887/product.html?sec_iid=33972 >> >> My question is. Will it work in my G4? Or will I have to flash the >> BIOS? Says it supports Apple displays (ADC). >> >> Thanks, >> Alex > > Looks like a mistake - can't have vga, dvi and adcand s-video... > > > Pete > > The Radeon 9000 is not easy to flash as I recall > > > > > > > --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: video upgrade
On Mar 11, 2009, at 8:28 AM, abrock wrote: > > Hello All, > I would like to upgrade the video card in my G4 Digital Audio (466). > I'm on a tight budget, and I found this on overstock. > > http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Sapphire-100545-SR-Radeon9000Pro-Graphics-Card-Refurbished/3504887/product.html?sec_iid=33972 > > My question is. Will it work in my G4? Or will I have to flash the > BIOS? Says it supports Apple displays (ADC). No it doesn't. There is no ADC connector on that thing, an ADC connector is larger than a DVI, and has rounded sides. the connectors on that system are VGA, S-video and DVI. I think they just swiped a generic Radeon 9000 spec list from ATI, which DOES make a 9000 card that has a ADC connector. -- Bruce Johnson University of Arizona College of Pharmacy Information Technology Group Institutions do not have opinions, merely customs --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: video upgrade
On 11/3/09 15:28, "abrock" wrote: > > Hello All, > I would like to upgrade the video card in my G4 Digital Audio (466). > I'm on a tight budget, and I found this on overstock. > > http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Sapphire-100545-SR-Radeon9000Pro-Graphics > -Card-Refurbished/3504887/product.html?sec_iid=33972 > > My question is. Will it work in my G4? Or will I have to flash the > BIOS? Says it supports Apple displays (ADC). > > Thanks, > Alex Looks like a mistake - can't have vga, dvi and adcand s-video... Pete The Radeon 9000 is not easy to flash as I recall --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: video upgrade
On Mar 11, 2009, at 11:28 AM, abrock wrote: > > Hello All, > I would like to upgrade the video card in my G4 Digital Audio (466). > I'm on a tight budget, and I found this on overstock. > > http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Sapphire-100545-SR- > Radeon9000Pro-Graphics-Card-Refurbished/3504887/product.html? > sec_iid=33972 > > My question is. Will it work in my G4? Or will I have to flash the > BIOS? Says it supports Apple displays (ADC). > > Thanks, > Alex A quick google shows some similar on eBay as well. You'd think with an ADC connector, it might be Apple compatible ... but you need to keep asking around. I've heard, sometimes, these cards are flashed PC cards. Bill Connelly artsite: http://mysite.verizon.net/moonstoneartstudio myspace: http://www.myspace.com/moonstoneartstudio --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
video upgrade
Hello All, I would like to upgrade the video card in my G4 Digital Audio (466). I'm on a tight budget, and I found this on overstock. http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Sapphire-100545-SR-Radeon9000Pro-Graphics-Card-Refurbished/3504887/product.html?sec_iid=33972 My question is. Will it work in my G4? Or will I have to flash the BIOS? Says it supports Apple displays (ADC). Thanks, Alex --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed Low End Mac's G3-5 List, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ is at http://lowendmac.com/lists/g-list.shtml and our netiquette guide is at http://www.lowendmac.com/lists/netiquette.shtml To post to this group, send email to g3-5-list@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to g3-5-list-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/g3-5-list?hl=en Low End Mac RSS feed at feed://lowendmac.com/feed.xml -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
