Re: [Audyssey] fighting/side-scrolling beat-em-up idea
Hi Ben, To be honest the best advice I can give is go with whatever you want to do. For a long time I use to ask the community what they wanted and while I got a lot of good feedback I also got way too much information. Sometimes people nearly drove me crazy when one half of the people wanted one thing and the other wanted something else completely different. In the end I learned just to keep my own counsel and do it my way. Cheers! On 3/11/2012 5:10 PM, Ben wrote: Hi all, Just wanted to say that me and a friend may be teaming up to develop a side-scrolling beat-em-up, using our current engine that will be demoed in the advanced version of whoopass. All that will be different in essence is that you can move, interact and kill things and use objects etc. But suggestions as to the story/enemies or other mechanics would be greatly appreciated. What are your thoughts? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] fighting/side-scrolling beat-em-up idea
Your advice is much appreciated, and I know the incident your referring to, Thomas! *smile* -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 13 March 2012 07:09 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] fighting/side-scrolling beat-em-up idea Hi Ben, To be honest the best advice I can give is go with whatever you want to do. For a long time I use to ask the community what they wanted and while I got a lot of good feedback I also got way too much information. Sometimes people nearly drove me crazy when one half of the people wanted one thing and the other wanted something else completely different. In the end I learned just to keep my own counsel and do it my way. Cheers! On 3/11/2012 5:10 PM, Ben wrote: Hi all, Just wanted to say that me and a friend may be teaming up to develop a side-scrolling beat-em-up, using our current engine that will be demoed in the advanced version of whoopass. All that will be different in essence is that you can move, interact and kill things and use objects etc. But suggestions as to the story/enemies or other mechanics would be greatly appreciated. What are your thoughts? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4866 - Release Date: 03/12/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4866 - Release Date: 03/12/12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
Hi Dark, As far as Windows Explorer goes I haven't experienced the issue you described. Its true that Windows Explorer is different, has buttons all over the place, etc but that's not effected me using it in the way you described. I'm wondering if this is a screen reader issue as I'm using NVDA without issue with Windows Explorer, or that you simply don't have Windows Explorer setup correctly. For example, if I press enter on Documents Explorer opens up and NVDA lands on the first item in the list. Now, I have my copy of Windows Explorer to display all of my items in a list which is more accessible than the default, and that might be an issue for you as well. By default I think Explorer is set to details which is less user friendly for me and I have to arrow around to find things where setting the view settings to display items in a list does just that so all I have to do is up or down arrow through the list of files and folders. Basically, what I am saying is many of the issues you mention have workarounds. Windows 7 is very accessible. I've not had any serious access issues with it and NVDA. I can't speak for Supernova, of course, but I think if you have an issue with something like Windows Explorer changing the view settings will go a long ways to correcting the issue. Its just a matter of knowing how to reconfigure things in Win 7 to get the most accessibility out of the OS. Its a clear case of knowing is half the battle. Same could be said for Ubuntu 12. In its default state its not very accessible, but I'm an old Linux user so know how to go in and set everything up so that I have a stable and accessible environment. Just a few days ago I put Ubuntu 12 beta 1 on on a virtual machine. When I installed it I could barely use it because Unity is broken access wise. No problem for me though. I switched over to a console, braught up speakup, and downloaded Gnome 3.2 from the Ubuntu software repository, edited a couple of files for lightdm, rebooted the virtual machine, logged in, and came up with the Orca screen reader and an accessible desktop environment. So what's the moral of the story? Simply this. Don't assume something isn't accessible because you've had bad experiences with it. If you educate yourself on accessibility, learn what features an operating system has for accessibility, talk to others how to resolve accessibility issues, chances are you can get the most out of your operating system. Regardless if we are talking about Windows 7 or the latest Linux release knowing how to resolve access issues will make it possible to stay up to date and be on an equal level with our sighted peers. I think what happens in all too many cases the average blind user tries a piece of software, has trouble with it, and give up on it completely. They assume because they ran into access issues early on that this or that isn't accessible even though there may be ways to workaround the issue or by changing a few default settings a piece of inaccessible software is made accessible. For instance, I remember I was on a tech list where a blind user said Avast was totally inaccessible when he tried it. I asked him if he had gone into preferences and changed a couple of settings. He answered no. The sad part of this particular case is that he didn't know what settings were needed to be changed to make Avast accessible, didn't ask how to make Avast accessible, assumed it wasn't accessible, and uninstalled it without any further investigation what-so-ever. Then, told everyone else it wasn't accessible based on his experience which was extremely limited at best. I'll just sum up by saying that people need to take more time and have a little more patients with software. They shouldn't just assume something isn't accessible or can't be made accessible because they spent a few minutes with it and gave up. Obviously the software is new to them, they haven't learned how to get the most out of the software, and should take some time getting to know it before just writing it off. Cheers! On 3/12/2012 4:08 AM, dark wrote: Hi tom. that is indeed a nice list of pros and cons, and it is true there are a couple of features that would be useful, I especially like the sound of full 5.1 sinse at the moment I'm working with virtual 3D sound, which is fine, but probably not what it could be. Just as another Ui question though, what about the desktop and windows expllorer in windows 7? when I tried the system, this looked entirely broken and hugely inconvenient for a screen reader, with random stuff all over the place, no clear listed folder structure, and lots of weerd buttons. For instance pressing enter on a folder didn't seem to display it's contents as in xp, it seemed to open it in yet another pain that I had to tab too, and then give under each item some strange buttons to do various things. Is windows explorer really this bad in terms of
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
Hi, Same here. I set Windows Explorer to list view, turn on file extentions, and turn off the status bar and everything seems to work fine after that. On 3/12/2012 4:26 AM, Jacob Kruger wrote: Windows explorer works fine for me, with either jaws or NVDA, and only thing is I don't bother with any form of tree structure, since when I hit windows key + E it lands in a list of drives, arrow around, hit enter on the one I want to go into, same with folders, backspace key to move up one level, etc., and only real settings change is that one of the first things I do on any newly installed version of windows, including XP, is that set folder view to list view, activate status bar off view menu, go to tools menu, arrow up to folder options, ctrl tab to view tab, and on advanced settings make sure file extensions are shown, etc. then hit space bar on apply settings for all folders, and this works well enough for me then. I am also running the windows7 basic theme in display themes, but not sure how relevant that is to windows explorer, but it might be. Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
Something is nice with the details view of W7 explorer: you can use left and right arrow to see the size, type, modification date, etc. of a file. Of course turning extensions always on is the first thing to do with a new windows, even since 98. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
Hi Tom. It is true that I have my own folders in xp set as lists, and the windows 7 machine I tried wasn't mine, I just wasn't sure whether all those buttons and random controls were part of the interface or could be disabled. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Hi Dark, As far as Windows Explorer goes I haven't experienced the issue you described. Its true that Windows Explorer is different, has buttons all over the place, etc but that's not effected me using it in the way you described. I'm wondering if this is a screen reader issue as I'm using NVDA without issue with Windows Explorer, or that you simply don't have Windows Explorer setup correctly. For example, if I press enter on Documents Explorer opens up and NVDA lands on the first item in the list. Now, I have my copy of Windows Explorer to display all of my items in a list which is more accessible than the default, and that might be an issue for you as well. By default I think Explorer is set to details which is less user friendly for me and I have to arrow around to find things where setting the view settings to display items in a list does just that so all I have to do is up or down arrow through the list of files and folders. Basically, what I am saying is many of the issues you mention have workarounds. Windows 7 is very accessible. I've not had any serious access issues with it and NVDA. I can't speak for Supernova, of course, but I think if you have an issue with something like Windows Explorer changing the view settings will go a long ways to correcting the issue. Its just a matter of knowing how to reconfigure things in Win 7 to get the most accessibility out of the OS. Its a clear case of knowing is half the battle. Same could be said for Ubuntu 12. In its default state its not very accessible, but I'm an old Linux user so know how to go in and set everything up so that I have a stable and accessible environment. Just a few days ago I put Ubuntu 12 beta 1 on on a virtual machine. When I installed it I could barely use it because Unity is broken access wise. No problem for me though. I switched over to a console, braught up speakup, and downloaded Gnome 3.2 from the Ubuntu software repository, edited a couple of files for lightdm, rebooted the virtual machine, logged in, and came up with the Orca screen reader and an accessible desktop environment. So what's the moral of the story? Simply this. Don't assume something isn't accessible because you've had bad experiences with it. If you educate yourself on accessibility, learn what features an operating system has for accessibility, talk to others how to resolve accessibility issues, chances are you can get the most out of your operating system. Regardless if we are talking about Windows 7 or the latest Linux release knowing how to resolve access issues will make it possible to stay up to date and be on an equal level with our sighted peers. I think what happens in all too many cases the average blind user tries a piece of software, has trouble with it, and give up on it completely. They assume because they ran into access issues early on that this or that isn't accessible even though there may be ways to workaround the issue or by changing a few default settings a piece of inaccessible software is made accessible. For instance, I remember I was on a tech list where a blind user said Avast was totally inaccessible when he tried it. I asked him if he had gone into preferences and changed a couple of settings. He answered no. The sad part of this particular case is that he didn't know what settings were needed to be changed to make Avast accessible, didn't ask how to make Avast accessible, assumed it wasn't accessible, and uninstalled it without any further investigation what-so-ever. Then, told everyone else it wasn't accessible based on his experience which was extremely limited at best. I'll just sum up by saying that people need to take more time and have a little more patients with software. They shouldn't just assume something isn't accessible or can't be made accessible because they spent a few minutes with it and gave up. Obviously the software is new to them, they haven't learned how to get the most out of the software, and should take some time getting to know it before just writing it off. Cheers! On 3/12/2012 4:08 AM, dark wrote: Hi tom. that is indeed a nice list of pros and cons, and it is true there are a couple of features that would be useful, I especially like the sound of full 5.1 sinse at the moment I'm working with virtual 3D sound, which is fine, but probably not what it could be. Just as another Ui question though, what about the desktop and windows expllorer in windows 7? when I tried the system, this
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
Hi Dark, Yes, unfortunately all the buttons etc are a part of the new interface. I've used Vista and now Windows 7 so have had time to get use to them, but I didn't care too much for the new version of Explorer either when I first encountered it under Vista. However, I have at least managed to customize Explorer enough that I can ignore all the extra junk that comes along with it. That said, you should have seen the Explorer that came with some of the betas of Windows 8. Now, that was a nightmare. In addition to the buttons and other crap the menubar had been replaced with the ribbons that really was a major turn off. Now, I hear the ribbons are suppose to be removed before final release and let's hope so. Although, Windows 8 will be a dramatic departcher from XP and even Windows 7 as far as the U.I. goes. Part of the reason for that is that Apple's iOS and Google's Android OS is very trendy. Everything is moving to touch screens, and Microsoft like everyone else is attempting to come up with a touch screen U.I. similar to Apple's touchscreen U.I. for iOS. Windows 8 has a radically new user interface with new touch screen technology which is similar to iOS, and people who love XP will likely hate Win 8 because Microsoft is pandering to the touchscreen users with their new U.I. Same thing is happening in the Linux world too. Ubuntu 12 uses Unity because Cononical is attempting to market Ubuntu Linux for cell phones, tablet PCs, netbooks, etc all with the new touch screen interface we are seeing with iOS, and in order to stay competative Linux distros like Ubuntu have to move away from traditional graphical user interfaces and adopt trendier interfaces like Unity. Which often leaves access technology in the position of playing catch up. Cheers! On 3/13/2012 6:27 AM, dark wrote: Hi Tom. It is true that I have my own folders in xp set as lists, and the windows 7 machine I tried wasn't mine, I just wasn't sure whether all those buttons and random controls were part of the interface or could be disabled. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
Yep, once again why can't microsoft just continue xp? :D. Goodness knows what will happen with access tech and windows 8, it's a shame after very stable access to xp that things are moving in this direction, but once again because vi users are a minority we get the short end of the stick. I have at least heard that ribbons are so disliked they're coming out of windows 8, and I've also heard windows 8 has 16 bit compatibility, so there are at least a couple of pluses there albeit small ones. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Hi Dark, Yes, unfortunately all the buttons etc are a part of the new interface. I've used Vista and now Windows 7 so have had time to get use to them, but I didn't care too much for the new version of Explorer either when I first encountered it under Vista. However, I have at least managed to customize Explorer enough that I can ignore all the extra junk that comes along with it. That said, you should have seen the Explorer that came with some of the betas of Windows 8. Now, that was a nightmare. In addition to the buttons and other crap the menubar had been replaced with the ribbons that really was a major turn off. Now, I hear the ribbons are suppose to be removed before final release and let's hope so. Although, Windows 8 will be a dramatic departcher from XP and even Windows 7 as far as the U.I. goes. Part of the reason for that is that Apple's iOS and Google's Android OS is very trendy. Everything is moving to touch screens, and Microsoft like everyone else is attempting to come up with a touch screen U.I. similar to Apple's touchscreen U.I. for iOS. Windows 8 has a radically new user interface with new touch screen technology which is similar to iOS, and people who love XP will likely hate Win 8 because Microsoft is pandering to the touchscreen users with their new U.I. Same thing is happening in the Linux world too. Ubuntu 12 uses Unity because Cononical is attempting to market Ubuntu Linux for cell phones, tablet PCs, netbooks, etc all with the new touch screen interface we are seeing with iOS, and in order to stay competative Linux distros like Ubuntu have to move away from traditional graphical user interfaces and adopt trendier interfaces like Unity. Which often leaves access technology in the position of playing catch up. Cheers! On 3/13/2012 6:27 AM, dark wrote: Hi Tom. It is true that I have my own folders in xp set as lists, and the windows 7 machine I tried wasn't mine, I just wasn't sure whether all those buttons and random controls were part of the interface or could be disabled. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
Hi Dark, Well, I think you know the answer to that already. Microsoft is out to make money, and in order to stay competitive they have to follow whatever trends are popular in the technology market. Since tablets, smart phones, PDAs, and other handheld devices have become the rave over the last few years simply updating XP won't do. They need to redesign the entire user interface from the ground up for those handheld devices. Since the same technology is being ported to the PC market as well Microsoft is simply building the same interface into the desktop OS as for mobile devices, because its more intuitive for a sighted user. VI users are always going to take a backseat to sighted users simply because intuitive visual user interfaces is what drives the market. For example, lets assume you have Windows 8 running on a tablet PC. Now, if you are using a touchscreen you can point at a icon on your taskbar, tap it twice with your finger, and open the app up just like that. It doesn't require navigating menus etc as everything you pin to the taskbar is right there just a finger point away. Its intuitive, easy, and I suppose better for sighted users as they don't even need a mouse to point and click on icons to open them up. Its the next generation user interface, and its being driven by people's exposure to Droid and iPhones. This is just speculation on my part but the way tablet PCs and smart phones are going I look for the standard desktop or laptop to be ancient history by the next decade. Businesses may still continue to use desktop PCs, but the average home user will probably be carrying around tablets running the latest version of Android, iOS, Windows Mobile, Linux, etc just because of the convenience of smaller more handy computers. My dad who just retired last year doesn't go anywhere without his Droid phone. Its not just a phone for him because I've seen him watch movies on Youtube, play games, take notes on it, browse the web, read e-mail, etc all from his phone. He rarely boots his desktop computer, because he can do most things from his phone. This is happening all over the world right now, and that's a very good reason why XP and other traditional desktop operating systems like it are running on borrowed time. Eventually, the handheld market will push the PC industry into adopting newer interfaces like Windows 8 and touchscreens to remain competitive. Weather we like it or not blind computer users will have to adapt to it sooner or later, because we have little say or choice in the matter. That's why I use Windows 7 and will likely upgrade to Windows 8 when it comes out. Eventually, I'll have to change and my philosophy is, better get use to it sooner than later. Cheers! On 3/13/2012 7:41 AM, dark wrote: Yep, once again why can't microsoft just continue xp? :D. Goodness knows what will happen with access tech and windows 8, it's a shame after very stable access to xp that things are moving in this direction, but once again because vi users are a minority we get the short end of the stick. I have at least heard that ribbons are so disliked they're coming out of windows 8, and I've also heard windows 8 has 16 bit compatibility, so there are at least a couple of pluses there albeit small ones. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
As far as touch goes your right its showing more and more. Even vista has some touch screen stuff. The only hold back is monitors, not many have it but that will be changing too. At 08:31 AM 3/13/2012, you wrote: Hi Dark, Well, I think you know the answer to that already. Microsoft is out to make money, and in order to stay competitive they have to follow whatever trends are popular in the technology market. Since tablets, smart phones, PDAs, and other handheld devices have become the rave over the last few years simply updating XP won't do. They need to redesign the entire user interface from the ground up for those handheld devices. Since the same technology is being ported to the PC market as well Microsoft is simply building the same interface into the desktop OS as for mobile devices, because its more intuitive for a sighted user. VI users are always going to take a backseat to sighted users simply because intuitive visual user interfaces is what drives the market. For example, lets assume you have Windows 8 running on a tablet PC. Now, if you are using a touchscreen you can point at a icon on your taskbar, tap it twice with your finger, and open the app up just like that. It doesn't require navigating menus etc as everything you pin to the taskbar is right there just a finger point away. Its intuitive, easy, and I suppose better for sighted users as they don't even need a mouse to point and click on icons to open them up. Its the next generation user interface, and its being driven by people's exposure to Droid and iPhones. This is just speculation on my part but the way tablet PCs and smart phones are going I look for the standard desktop or laptop to be ancient history by the next decade. Businesses may still continue to use desktop PCs, but the average home user will probably be carrying around tablets running the latest version of Android, iOS, Windows Mobile, Linux, etc just because of the convenience of smaller more handy computers. My dad who just retired last year doesn't go anywhere without his Droid phone. Its not just a phone for him because I've seen him watch movies on Youtube, play games, take notes on it, browse the web, read e-mail, etc all from his phone. He rarely boots his desktop computer, because he can do most things from his phone. This is happening all over the world right now, and that's a very good reason why XP and other traditional desktop operating systems like it are running on borrowed time. Eventually, the handheld market will push the PC industry into adopting newer interfaces like Windows 8 and touchscreens to remain competitive. Weather we like it or not blind computer users will have to adapt to it sooner or later, because we have little say or choice in the matter. That's why I use Windows 7 and will likely upgrade to Windows 8 when it comes out. Eventually, I'll have to change and my philosophy is, better get use to it sooner than later. Cheers! On 3/13/2012 7:41 AM, dark wrote: Yep, once again why can't microsoft just continue xp? :D. Goodness knows what will happen with access tech and windows 8, it's a shame after very stable access to xp that things are moving in this direction, but once again because vi users are a minority we get the short end of the stick. I have at least heard that ribbons are so disliked they're coming out of windows 8, and I've also heard windows 8 has 16 bit compatibility, so there are at least a couple of pluses there albeit small ones. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
I agree tom, prophiteering capitalist scumbags run things unfortunately. Myself however I disagree with your philosophy of get it and get used to it as I've said before, windows 7 would stop! me doing more stuff, so why should I use it? I use a parrot voice mate, which is one of the finest hand held personal organizers I've ever found, and great for phone numbers, voice notes etc. Should I stop using it becuase the firm that make them have gone bust? Heck no! of course, if I replace my laptop with an Iphone with voiceover, I'll probably no longer need the parrot voicemate, sinse the Iphone will do most of those functions, but sinse I currently just use a phone that is just a phone, and does nothing fancy, and would cost a lot of money to get a speech synth for it, I'll stick with the voicemate because it works for what I want. I don't really see why i should get used to doing something just because it is the latest thing and I'll have to change eventually, indeed I'll probably try and keep my desktop going as long as possible and change only if it looks like a better option is available with a newer system. Btw, I agree about hand helds taking over, however I don't think the desktop pc will be quite gone, simply because of the amount of people who (like myself), use it as a general multimedia device. i use my pc for watching films, laying games etc, on a decent sized screen connected to a set of speakers, and that is one use that the hand held would never fill simply because the idea of connecting a hand held to a home cinema system or full sized screen is a bit ridiculous. I think laptops will be a thing of the past, but the desktop I still see as staying around exactly for this reason, even if the ui does irritatingly change. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Hi Dark, Well, I think you know the answer to that already. Microsoft is out to make money, and in order to stay competitive they have to follow whatever trends are popular in the technology market. Since tablets, smart phones, PDAs, and other handheld devices have become the rave over the last few years simply updating XP won't do. They need to redesign the entire user interface from the ground up for those handheld devices. Since the same technology is being ported to the PC market as well Microsoft is simply building the same interface into the desktop OS as for mobile devices, because its more intuitive for a sighted user. VI users are always going to take a backseat to sighted users simply because intuitive visual user interfaces is what drives the market. For example, lets assume you have Windows 8 running on a tablet PC. Now, if you are using a touchscreen you can point at a icon on your taskbar, tap it twice with your finger, and open the app up just like that. It doesn't require navigating menus etc as everything you pin to the taskbar is right there just a finger point away. Its intuitive, easy, and I suppose better for sighted users as they don't even need a mouse to point and click on icons to open them up. Its the next generation user interface, and its being driven by people's exposure to Droid and iPhones. This is just speculation on my part but the way tablet PCs and smart phones are going I look for the standard desktop or laptop to be ancient history by the next decade. Businesses may still continue to use desktop PCs, but the average home user will probably be carrying around tablets running the latest version of Android, iOS, Windows Mobile, Linux, etc just because of the convenience of smaller more handy computers. My dad who just retired last year doesn't go anywhere without his Droid phone. Its not just a phone for him because I've seen him watch movies on Youtube, play games, take notes on it, browse the web, read e-mail, etc all from his phone. He rarely boots his desktop computer, because he can do most things from his phone. This is happening all over the world right now, and that's a very good reason why XP and other traditional desktop operating systems like it are running on borrowed time. Eventually, the handheld market will push the PC industry into adopting newer interfaces like Windows 8 and touchscreens to remain competitive. Weather we like it or not blind computer users will have to adapt to it sooner or later, because we have little say or choice in the matter. That's why I use Windows 7 and will likely upgrade to Windows 8 when it comes out. Eventually, I'll have to change and my philosophy is, better get use to it sooner than later. Cheers! On 3/13/2012 7:41 AM, dark wrote: Yep, once again why can't microsoft just continue xp? :D. Goodness knows what will happen with access tech and windows 8, it's a shame after very stable access
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
Not really relevant, but will just mention that with regard to phones, and large screens, etc., I think my nokia N82/N86 came with a TV out adapter...LOL! Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly I agree tom, prophiteering capitalist scumbags run things unfortunately. Myself however I disagree with your philosophy of get it and get used to it as I've said before, windows 7 would stop! me doing more stuff, so why should I use it? I use a parrot voice mate, which is one of the finest hand held personal organizers I've ever found, and great for phone numbers, voice notes etc. Should I stop using it becuase the firm that make them have gone bust? Heck no! of course, if I replace my laptop with an Iphone with voiceover, I'll probably no longer need the parrot voicemate, sinse the Iphone will do most of those functions, but sinse I currently just use a phone that is just a phone, and does nothing fancy, and would cost a lot of money to get a speech synth for it, I'll stick with the voicemate because it works for what I want. I don't really see why i should get used to doing something just because it is the latest thing and I'll have to change eventually, indeed I'll probably try and keep my desktop going as long as possible and change only if it looks like a better option is available with a newer system. Btw, I agree about hand helds taking over, however I don't think the desktop pc will be quite gone, simply because of the amount of people who (like myself), use it as a general multimedia device. i use my pc for watching films, laying games etc, on a decent sized screen connected to a set of speakers, and that is one use that the hand held would never fill simply because the idea of connecting a hand held to a home cinema system or full sized screen is a bit ridiculous. I think laptops will be a thing of the past, but the desktop I still see as staying around exactly for this reason, even if the ui does irritatingly change. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Hi Dark, Well, I think you know the answer to that already. Microsoft is out to make money, and in order to stay competitive they have to follow whatever trends are popular in the technology market. Since tablets, smart phones, PDAs, and other handheld devices have become the rave over the last few years simply updating XP won't do. They need to redesign the entire user interface from the ground up for those handheld devices. Since the same technology is being ported to the PC market as well Microsoft is simply building the same interface into the desktop OS as for mobile devices, because its more intuitive for a sighted user. VI users are always going to take a backseat to sighted users simply because intuitive visual user interfaces is what drives the market. For example, lets assume you have Windows 8 running on a tablet PC. Now, if you are using a touchscreen you can point at a icon on your taskbar, tap it twice with your finger, and open the app up just like that. It doesn't require navigating menus etc as everything you pin to the taskbar is right there just a finger point away. Its intuitive, easy, and I suppose better for sighted users as they don't even need a mouse to point and click on icons to open them up. Its the next generation user interface, and its being driven by people's exposure to Droid and iPhones. This is just speculation on my part but the way tablet PCs and smart phones are going I look for the standard desktop or laptop to be ancient history by the next decade. Businesses may still continue to use desktop PCs, but the average home user will probably be carrying around tablets running the latest version of Android, iOS, Windows Mobile, Linux, etc just because of the convenience of smaller more handy computers. My dad who just retired last year doesn't go anywhere without his Droid phone. Its not just a phone for him because I've seen him watch movies on Youtube, play games, take notes on it, browse the web, read e-mail, etc all from his phone. He rarely boots his desktop computer, because he can do most things from his phone. This is happening all over the world right now, and that's a very good reason why XP and other traditional desktop operating systems like it are running on borrowed time. Eventually, the handheld market will push the PC industry into adopting newer interfaces like Windows 8 and touchscreens to remain competitive. Weather we like it or not blind computer users will have to adapt to it sooner or later,
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
yep it does come with one. At 09:21 AM 3/13/2012, you wrote: Not really relevant, but will just mention that with regard to phones, and large screens, etc., I think my nokia N82/N86 came with a TV out adapter...LOL! Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly I agree tom, prophiteering capitalist scumbags run things unfortunately. Myself however I disagree with your philosophy of get it and get used to it as I've said before, windows 7 would stop! me doing more stuff, so why should I use it? I use a parrot voice mate, which is one of the finest hand held personal organizers I've ever found, and great for phone numbers, voice notes etc. Should I stop using it becuase the firm that make them have gone bust? Heck no! of course, if I replace my laptop with an Iphone with voiceover, I'll probably no longer need the parrot voicemate, sinse the Iphone will do most of those functions, but sinse I currently just use a phone that is just a phone, and does nothing fancy, and would cost a lot of money to get a speech synth for it, I'll stick with the voicemate because it works for what I want. I don't really see why i should get used to doing something just because it is the latest thing and I'll have to change eventually, indeed I'll probably try and keep my desktop going as long as possible and change only if it looks like a better option is available with a newer system. Btw, I agree about hand helds taking over, however I don't think the desktop pc will be quite gone, simply because of the amount of people who (like myself), use it as a general multimedia device. i use my pc for watching films, laying games etc, on a decent sized screen connected to a set of speakers, and that is one use that the hand held would never fill simply because the idea of connecting a hand held to a home cinema system or full sized screen is a bit ridiculous. I think laptops will be a thing of the past, but the desktop I still see as staying around exactly for this reason, even if the ui does irritatingly change. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Hi Dark, Well, I think you know the answer to that already. Microsoft is out to make money, and in order to stay competitive they have to follow whatever trends are popular in the technology market. Since tablets, smart phones, PDAs, and other handheld devices have become the rave over the last few years simply updating XP won't do. They need to redesign the entire user interface from the ground up for those handheld devices. Since the same technology is being ported to the PC market as well Microsoft is simply building the same interface into the desktop OS as for mobile devices, because its more intuitive for a sighted user. VI users are always going to take a backseat to sighted users simply because intuitive visual user interfaces is what drives the market. For example, lets assume you have Windows 8 running on a tablet PC. Now, if you are using a touchscreen you can point at a icon on your taskbar, tap it twice with your finger, and open the app up just like that. It doesn't require navigating menus etc as everything you pin to the taskbar is right there just a finger point away. Its intuitive, easy, and I suppose better for sighted users as they don't even need a mouse to point and click on icons to open them up. Its the next generation user interface, and its being driven by people's exposure to Droid and iPhones. This is just speculation on my part but the way tablet PCs and smart phones are going I look for the standard desktop or laptop to be ancient history by the next decade. Businesses may still continue to use desktop PCs, but the average home user will probably be carrying around tablets running the latest version of Android, iOS, Windows Mobile, Linux, etc just because of the convenience of smaller more handy computers. My dad who just retired last year doesn't go anywhere without his Droid phone. Its not just a phone for him because I've seen him watch movies on Youtube, play games, take notes on it, browse the web, read e-mail, etc all from his phone. He rarely boots his desktop computer, because he can do most things from his phone. This is happening all over the world right now, and that's a very good reason why XP and other traditional desktop operating systems like it are running on borrowed time. Eventually, the handheld market will push the PC industry into adopting newer interfaces like Windows 8 and touchscreens to remain competitive. Weather we like it or not
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
I agree. I know we're a minority but I still think we should be able to have a choice regarding this, a lot of us will be left in the cold if the big companies get their way. Or should I say when they get their way. Amanda -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:41 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Yep, once again why can't microsoft just continue xp? :D. Goodness knows what will happen with access tech and windows 8, it's a shame after very stable access to xp that things are moving in this direction, but once again because vi users are a minority we get the short end of the stick. I have at least heard that ribbons are so disliked they're coming out of windows 8, and I've also heard windows 8 has 16 bit compatibility, so there are at least a couple of pluses there albeit small ones. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Hi Dark, Yes, unfortunately all the buttons etc are a part of the new interface. I've used Vista and now Windows 7 so have had time to get use to them, but I didn't care too much for the new version of Explorer either when I first encountered it under Vista. However, I have at least managed to customize Explorer enough that I can ignore all the extra junk that comes along with it. That said, you should have seen the Explorer that came with some of the betas of Windows 8. Now, that was a nightmare. In addition to the buttons and other crap the menubar had been replaced with the ribbons that really was a major turn off. Now, I hear the ribbons are suppose to be removed before final release and let's hope so. Although, Windows 8 will be a dramatic departcher from XP and even Windows 7 as far as the U.I. goes. Part of the reason for that is that Apple's iOS and Google's Android OS is very trendy. Everything is moving to touch screens, and Microsoft like everyone else is attempting to come up with a touch screen U.I. similar to Apple's touchscreen U.I. for iOS. Windows 8 has a radically new user interface with new touch screen technology which is similar to iOS, and people who love XP will likely hate Win 8 because Microsoft is pandering to the touchscreen users with their new U.I. Same thing is happening in the Linux world too. Ubuntu 12 uses Unity because Cononical is attempting to market Ubuntu Linux for cell phones, tablet PCs, netbooks, etc all with the new touch screen interface we are seeing with iOS, and in order to stay competative Linux distros like Ubuntu have to move away from traditional graphical user interfaces and adopt trendier interfaces like Unity. Which often leaves access technology in the position of playing catch up. Cheers! On 3/13/2012 6:27 AM, dark wrote: Hi Tom. It is true that I have my own folders in xp set as lists, and the windows 7 machine I tried wasn't mine, I just wasn't sure whether all those buttons and random controls were part of the interface or could be disabled. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BariBariBaseball3
Hi, I just tried it today and, I get that DB error thing. Then a Microsoft windows thing. - Original Message - From: Ron hopkins ard...@samobile.net To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 3:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] BariBariBaseball3 Hello. This is Ron Hopkins. I've been getting that same db error, and then it says that a problem in microsoft caused the program to quit, and then it says windows will notify me of a solution. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
As a programmer and developer, I understand completely why Microsoft (or any developer for that matter) would want to discontinue an older product. Maintenance is expensive and irritating. Keep in mind that if they simply try to continue XP (and every other product that some minority group prefers), they will lose money. If they go broke, there are no more products. How do you think MS pays for XP maintenance right now? They do it with sales of products that make money. XP doesn't make money anymore, and they couldn't make it pay for itself if they tried. I've had similar complaints come up on Alter Aeon - why don't I just make ltypes 0 and 1 optional, why don't I just make PPK optional, why don't I bring up separate servers that allow multiplaying, etc. If I tried to do even a fraction of these things, AA would never progress because I'd be spending all my time maintaining crap that doesn't actually make the game any better. All developers have to pick and choose their battles. Microsoft is no different. I know it may be irritating to have to change your ways or learn new things, but the fact of the matter is that we can't all be expecting windows 3.1 (or whatever your favorite version is) to work the same way for the next 20 years. Change happens. It may not seem like it, but usually, it actually is for the better. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Amanda Burt amanda.bu...@btinternet.com wrote: I agree. I know we're a minority but I still think we should be able to have a choice regarding this, a lot of us will be left in the cold if the big companies get their way. Or should I say when they get their way. Amanda -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:41 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Yep, once again why can't microsoft just continue xp? :D. Goodness knows what will happen with access tech and windows 8, it's a shame after very stable access to xp that things are moving in this direction, but once again because vi users are a minority we get the short end of the stick. I have at least heard that ribbons are so disliked they're coming out of windows 8, and I've also heard windows 8 has 16 bit compatibility, so there are at least a couple of pluses there albeit small ones. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Hi Dark, Yes, unfortunately all the buttons etc are a part of the new interface. I've used Vista and now Windows 7 so have had time to get use to them, but I didn't care too much for the new version of Explorer either when I first encountered it under Vista. However, I have at least managed to customize Explorer enough that I can ignore all the extra junk that comes along with it. That said, you should have seen the Explorer that came with some of the betas of Windows 8. Now, that was a nightmare. In addition to the buttons and other crap the menubar had been replaced with the ribbons that really was a major turn off. Now, I hear the ribbons are suppose to be removed before final release and let's hope so. Although, Windows 8 will be a dramatic departcher from XP and even Windows 7 as far as the U.I. goes. Part of the reason for that is that Apple's iOS and Google's Android OS is very trendy. Everything is moving to touch screens, and Microsoft like everyone else is attempting to come up with a touch screen U.I. similar to Apple's touchscreen U.I. for iOS. Windows 8 has a radically new user interface with new touch screen technology which is similar to iOS, and people who love XP will likely hate Win 8 because Microsoft is pandering to the touchscreen users with their new U.I. Same thing is happening in the Linux world too. Ubuntu 12 uses Unity because Cononical is attempting to market Ubuntu Linux for cell phones, tablet PCs, netbooks, etc all with the new touch screen interface we are seeing with iOS, and in order to stay competative Linux distros like Ubuntu have to move away from traditional graphical user interfaces and adopt trendier interfaces like Unity. Which often leaves access technology in the position of playing catch up. Cheers! On 3/13/2012 6:27 AM, dark wrote: Hi Tom. It is true that I have my own folders in xp set as lists, and the windows 7 machine I tried wasn't mine, I just wasn't sure whether all those buttons and random controls were part of the interface or could be disabled. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can
[Audyssey] swamp server down?
Can't connect with the regular version...something wacky with the server? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] swamp server down?
HI, If you are talking about the 1.8 server, it sure looks like it. Been down for at least 24 hours now. Since I don't play that version nuch anymore, i didn't pay much attention to it. Shermanator - Original Message - From: Johnny Tai johnnyti...@shaw.ca Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 3:36 PM Can't connect with the regular version...something wacky with the server? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] BariBariGames.
Hey, I just downloaded two of the BariBari games call, BariBariShoot and BariBariSamurai. When I go to do the update it keeps telling me that I am doing an illegal act. So how can I check for updates? Thanks! -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
well a gwmicro win eyes csun review has win8 going to uia more meaning no drivers are required. Ofcause if ms had done this before we relied on sapi, mssa and a whole bunch of other libs for access it would be ok. It sounds like though ti will be better for everyone, however why they made us use all that junk if it was going to be put in a few years into 1 library thats the issue. At 11:41 a.m. 13/03/2012 +, you wrote: Yep, once again why can't microsoft just continue xp? :D. Goodness knows what will happen with access tech and windows 8, it's a shame after very stable access to xp that things are moving in this direction, but once again because vi users are a minority we get the short end of the stick. I have at least heard that ribbons are so disliked they're coming out of windows 8, and I've also heard windows 8 has 16 bit compatibility, so there are at least a couple of pluses there albeit small ones. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Hi Dark, Yes, unfortunately all the buttons etc are a part of the new interface. I've used Vista and now Windows 7 so have had time to get use to them, but I didn't care too much for the new version of Explorer either when I first encountered it under Vista. However, I have at least managed to customize Explorer enough that I can ignore all the extra junk that comes along with it. That said, you should have seen the Explorer that came with some of the betas of Windows 8. Now, that was a nightmare. In addition to the buttons and other crap the menubar had been replaced with the ribbons that really was a major turn off. Now, I hear the ribbons are suppose to be removed before final release and let's hope so. Although, Windows 8 will be a dramatic departcher from XP and even Windows 7 as far as the U.I. goes. Part of the reason for that is that Apple's iOS and Google's Android OS is very trendy. Everything is moving to touch screens, and Microsoft like everyone else is attempting to come up with a touch screen U.I. similar to Apple's touchscreen U.I. for iOS. Windows 8 has a radically new user interface with new touch screen technology which is similar to iOS, and people who love XP will likely hate Win 8 because Microsoft is pandering to the touchscreen users with their new U.I. Same thing is happening in the Linux world too. Ubuntu 12 uses Unity because Cononical is attempting to market Ubuntu Linux for cell phones, tablet PCs, netbooks, etc all with the new touch screen interface we are seeing with iOS, and in order to stay competative Linux distros like Ubuntu have to move away from traditional graphical user interfaces and adopt trendier interfaces like Unity. Which often leaves access technology in the position of playing catch up. Cheers! On 3/13/2012 6:27 AM, dark wrote: Hi Tom. It is true that I have my own folders in xp set as lists, and the windows 7 machine I tried wasn't mine, I just wasn't sure whether all those buttons and random controls were part of the interface or could be disabled. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
Well tom I aggree with you, except for one ms has shown they don't or won't want to put accessability in a phone. If what you say is true, then in a few years or so we will all run android os on our pcs and I look foreward to that day!! Windows touch will not be as accessable as other tablet oses like iphone or android. ANd until it is we will have to be annoyed by it not being so. Saying that, I have a friend in the education industry and it seems its going back to 34 grand braille note tablets running windows ce so maybe if it ever dropps as you say we will be carrying round several of those gismos. I wander what that will do to the existing audiogames industry. At 08:31 a.m. 13/03/2012 -0400, you wrote: Hi Dark, Well, I think you know the answer to that already. Microsoft is out to make money, and in order to stay competitive they have to follow whatever trends are popular in the technology market. Since tablets, smart phones, PDAs, and other handheld devices have become the rave over the last few years simply updating XP won't do. They need to redesign the entire user interface from the ground up for those handheld devices. Since the same technology is being ported to the PC market as well Microsoft is simply building the same interface into the desktop OS as for mobile devices, because its more intuitive for a sighted user. VI users are always going to take a backseat to sighted users simply because intuitive visual user interfaces is what drives the market. For example, lets assume you have Windows 8 running on a tablet PC. Now, if you are using a touchscreen you can point at a icon on your taskbar, tap it twice with your finger, and open the app up just like that. It doesn't require navigating menus etc as everything you pin to the taskbar is right there just a finger point away. Its intuitive, easy, and I suppose better for sighted users as they don't even need a mouse to point and click on icons to open them up. Its the next generation user interface, and its being driven by people's exposure to Droid and iPhones. This is just speculation on my part but the way tablet PCs and smart phones are going I look for the standard desktop or laptop to be ancient history by the next decade. Businesses may still continue to use desktop PCs, but the average home user will probably be carrying around tablets running the latest version of Android, iOS, Windows Mobile, Linux, etc just because of the convenience of smaller more handy computers. My dad who just retired last year doesn't go anywhere without his Droid phone. Its not just a phone for him because I've seen him watch movies on Youtube, play games, take notes on it, browse the web, read e-mail, etc all from his phone. He rarely boots his desktop computer, because he can do most things from his phone. This is happening all over the world right now, and that's a very good reason why XP and other traditional desktop operating systems like it are running on borrowed time. Eventually, the handheld market will push the PC industry into adopting newer interfaces like Windows 8 and touchscreens to remain competitive. Weather we like it or not blind computer users will have to adapt to it sooner or later, because we have little say or choice in the matter. That's why I use Windows 7 and will likely upgrade to Windows 8 when it comes out. Eventually, I'll have to change and my philosophy is, better get use to it sooner than later. Cheers! On 3/13/2012 7:41 AM, dark wrote: Yep, once again why can't microsoft just continue xp? :D. Goodness knows what will happen with access tech and windows 8, it's a shame after very stable access to xp that things are moving in this direction, but once again because vi users are a minority we get the short end of the stick. I have at least heard that ribbons are so disliked they're coming out of windows 8, and I've also heard windows 8 has 16 bit compatibility, so there are at least a couple of pluses there albeit small ones. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
And wwhere are the still existing computer or netbook and laptop users whoose hardware doesn't have touchscreen capabilities? Do they think at all? Surely, android might look nice, but what is more important, the look or the functionality? And who exactly thinks that the visual design of Android or IOS is cool? And moreover, Android and IOS devices are not exactly like a desktop computer, so why should a desktop computer have the interface of another device in the first place? Why must it all be alike? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
All of this might be true... But I have several questions. If mobile devices and new technologies are created and let's say touchscreens are so great, why not take it up another level and finally create a computer system like the fictional LCARS from Star Trek, where you have instant access to your data and where you have the option of full real time interactive voice control plus voice output of everything? Surely voice input and output shouldn't be desired by blind users in the world alone, it could be adapted for everyone. And the other thing I am wondering about is the usage of mobile devices in general. I was born blind and could never see, nor do I currently have a device like an IPhone... But I'd like to ask anyone who could see at some point in their life to tell me why watching some HD videos on super small mobile displays or playing complex and graphically intensive games with said small devices instead of using more stationary devices and large screens capable of handling digital HD media? I can understand why people would like to have more functions in small devices. But things like listening to music with more than two speakers like 5.1 or 7.1 audio systems or watching high resolution movies and such surely should remain on the currently needed technology instead of being ported to small devices unless you can adapt them as well to handle all this. I don't know what the processing capabilities of android phones are or what said capabilities are for other mobile devices, but I doubt that they are really better than current high tech computing equipment and the big computer networks and super computers. Surely, there is still time for such developments, but the question remains who does set such trents and can companies like Microsoft influence or stop such trents, because Microsoft is not small and should have considerable power, so it could be asked if Microsoft must adapt, or could Microsoft force others to adapt to whatever they create. Besides, why do we or companies have to follow and copy whatever someone makes before us? This discussion of user interfaces (Office 2003 vs 2007 design for example) is pointless in my opinion. I personally don't have problems with the idea of changing the design of a program. But we do we have to be forced to a design. Let's take the Office 2007 design for an example. I have read several reports and posts in various forums (sighted users) where people were not happy with the new design not because they had to learn new things, but because they did not have a choice in the matter meaning that everyone who got the new Office for whatever reason had to use the new design. But what I never got in this talk was, why Microsoft did not offer two designs? Look at Windows Media Player or Winamp. Both programs have skins which you can download or create yourself to alter and customice the interface of your program. But why don't more programs have the option for skins (surely it can't be because they want to make money, because you could theoretically sell anything you develop). So, what is the problem with the talks of designs and user feedback companies are getting and seemingly ignore here and there sometimes? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
You only have a choice if you buy the computer. If the org's buy them. Then you will get what is current on the market, and now that is win7. At 04:09 PM 3/13/2012, you wrote: I agree. I know we're a minority but I still think we should be able to have a choice regarding this, a lot of us will be left in the cold if the big companies get their way. Or should I say when they get their way. Amanda -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:41 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Yep, once again why can't microsoft just continue xp? :D. Goodness knows what will happen with access tech and windows 8, it's a shame after very stable access to xp that things are moving in this direction, but once again because vi users are a minority we get the short end of the stick. I have at least heard that ribbons are so disliked they're coming out of windows 8, and I've also heard windows 8 has 16 bit compatibility, so there are at least a couple of pluses there albeit small ones. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Hi Dark, Yes, unfortunately all the buttons etc are a part of the new interface. I've used Vista and now Windows 7 so have had time to get use to them, but I didn't care too much for the new version of Explorer either when I first encountered it under Vista. However, I have at least managed to customize Explorer enough that I can ignore all the extra junk that comes along with it. That said, you should have seen the Explorer that came with some of the betas of Windows 8. Now, that was a nightmare. In addition to the buttons and other crap the menubar had been replaced with the ribbons that really was a major turn off. Now, I hear the ribbons are suppose to be removed before final release and let's hope so. Although, Windows 8 will be a dramatic departcher from XP and even Windows 7 as far as the U.I. goes. Part of the reason for that is that Apple's iOS and Google's Android OS is very trendy. Everything is moving to touch screens, and Microsoft like everyone else is attempting to come up with a touch screen U.I. similar to Apple's touchscreen U.I. for iOS. Windows 8 has a radically new user interface with new touch screen technology which is similar to iOS, and people who love XP will likely hate Win 8 because Microsoft is pandering to the touchscreen users with their new U.I. Same thing is happening in the Linux world too. Ubuntu 12 uses Unity because Cononical is attempting to market Ubuntu Linux for cell phones, tablet PCs, netbooks, etc all with the new touch screen interface we are seeing with iOS, and in order to stay competative Linux distros like Ubuntu have to move away from traditional graphical user interfaces and adopt trendier interfaces like Unity. Which often leaves access technology in the position of playing catch up. Cheers! On 3/13/2012 6:27 AM, dark wrote: Hi Tom. It is true that I have my own folders in xp set as lists, and the windows 7 machine I tried wasn't mine, I just wasn't sure whether all those buttons and random controls were part of the interface or could be disabled. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
The more its alike the less sighted mousers have to learn. Learn one system and you know them all. At 07:59 PM 3/13/2012, you wrote: And wwhere are the still existing computer or netbook and laptop users whoose hardware doesn't have touchscreen capabilities? Do they think at all? Surely, android might look nice, but what is more important, the look or the functionality? And who exactly thinks that the visual design of Android or IOS is cool? And moreover, Android and IOS devices are not exactly like a desktop computer, so why should a desktop computer have the interface of another device in the first place? Why must it all be alike? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
That is coming, but for now they want to suck all the money out of the public they can. At 07:55 PM 3/13/2012, you wrote: All of this might be true... But I have several questions. If mobile devices and new technologies are created and let's say touchscreens are so great, why not take it up another level and finally create a computer system like the fictional LCARS from Star Trek, where you have instant access to your data and where you have the option of full real time interactive voice control plus voice output of everything? Surely voice input and output shouldn't be desired by blind users in the world alone, it could be adapted for everyone. And the other thing I am wondering about is the usage of mobile devices in general. I was born blind and could never see, nor do I currently have a device like an IPhone... But I'd like to ask anyone who could see at some point in their life to tell me why watching some HD videos on super small mobile displays or playing complex and graphically intensive games with said small devices instead of using more stationary devices and large screens capable of handling digital HD media? I can understand why people would like to have more functions in small devices. But things like listening to music with more than two speakers like 5.1 or 7.1 audio systems or watching high resolution movies and such surely should remain on the currently needed technology instead of being ported to small devices unless you can adapt them as well to handle all this. I don't know what the processing capabilities of android phones are or what said capabilities are for other mobile devices, but I doubt that they are really better than current high tech computing equipment and the big computer networks and super computers. Surely, there is still time for such developments, but the question remains who does set such trents and can companies like Microsoft influence or stop such trents, because Microsoft is not small and should have considerable power, so it could be asked if Microsoft must adapt, or could Microsoft force others to adapt to whatever they create. Besides, why do we or companies have to follow and copy whatever someone makes before us? This discussion of user interfaces (Office 2003 vs 2007 design for example) is pointless in my opinion. I personally don't have problems with the idea of changing the design of a program. But we do we have to be forced to a design. Let's take the Office 2007 design for an example. I have read several reports and posts in various forums (sighted users) where people were not happy with the new design not because they had to learn new things, but because they did not have a choice in the matter meaning that everyone who got the new Office for whatever reason had to use the new design. But what I never got in this talk was, why Microsoft did not offer two designs? Look at Windows Media Player or Winamp. Both programs have skins which you can download or create yourself to alter and customice the interface of your program. But why don't more programs have the option for skins (surely it can't be because they want to make money, because you could theoretically sell anything you develop). So, what is the problem with the talks of designs and user feedback companies are getting and seemingly ignore here and there sometimes? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
Hi Dennis. the problem is this isn't about learning new things or preferring older systems, this is about access. As per my phd thesis, access = equal, or as close to equal as possible amounts of effort betwene groups with different biological limitations, and whatever way you cut the cookie, more and more effort is having to be expanded with the newer trends in Ui microsoft are implementing. It's rather like a building being rennivated and putting in escalators while wripping up the old ramps that paraplegics could use to enter. It is true that there is little to know prophet in access, however if we followed that line of thinking to it's ultimate conclusion, very little would be accessible. Access is an ethical matter and as such falls outside te of the basic tennits of capitalism, and this is why we can cryticise microsoft mainstream game companies etc, for following prophet only rather than access measures (indeed this is where Carl marx was exactly right in noting that the persuit of prophit is itself an amoral motivation, not an ethical one). plus I might add that saving money seems a pretty feeble excuse for the worlds richest coorporation which is paying most of it's manual workers in china and tyland a pittance. Beware the grue! dark. - Original Message - From: Dennis Towne s...@xirr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly As a programmer and developer, I understand completely why Microsoft (or any developer for that matter) would want to discontinue an older product. Maintenance is expensive and irritating. Keep in mind that if they simply try to continue XP (and every other product that some minority group prefers), they will lose money. If they go broke, there are no more products. How do you think MS pays for XP maintenance right now? They do it with sales of products that make money. XP doesn't make money anymore, and they couldn't make it pay for itself if they tried. I've had similar complaints come up on Alter Aeon - why don't I just make ltypes 0 and 1 optional, why don't I just make PPK optional, why don't I bring up separate servers that allow multiplaying, etc. If I tried to do even a fraction of these things, AA would never progress because I'd be spending all my time maintaining crap that doesn't actually make the game any better. All developers have to pick and choose their battles. Microsoft is no different. I know it may be irritating to have to change your ways or learn new things, but the fact of the matter is that we can't all be expecting windows 3.1 (or whatever your favorite version is) to work the same way for the next 20 years. Change happens. It may not seem like it, but usually, it actually is for the better. Dennis Towne Alter Aeon MUD http://www.alteraeon.com On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Amanda Burt amanda.bu...@btinternet.com wrote: I agree. I know we're a minority but I still think we should be able to have a choice regarding this, a lot of us will be left in the cold if the big companies get their way. Or should I say when they get their way. Amanda -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:41 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Yep, once again why can't microsoft just continue xp? :D. Goodness knows what will happen with access tech and windows 8, it's a shame after very stable access to xp that things are moving in this direction, but once again because vi users are a minority we get the short end of the stick. I have at least heard that ribbons are so disliked they're coming out of windows 8, and I've also heard windows 8 has 16 bit compatibility, so there are at least a couple of pluses there albeit small ones. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Hi Dark, Yes, unfortunately all the buttons etc are a part of the new interface. I've used Vista and now Windows 7 so have had time to get use to them, but I didn't care too much for the new version of Explorer either when I first encountered it under Vista. However, I have at least managed to customize Explorer enough that I can ignore all the extra junk that comes along with it. That said, you should have seen the Explorer that came with some of the betas of Windows 8. Now, that was a nightmare. In addition to the buttons and other crap the menubar had been replaced with the ribbons that really was a major turn off. Now, I hear the ribbons are suppose to be removed before final release and let's hope so. Although, Windows 8 will be a dramatic departcher from XP and even Windows 7 as far as the U.I. goes. Part of the reason for that is that Apple's iOS and Google's Android OS is very trendy. Everything is moving to touch
[Audyssey] Run For President help.
Hello, All. The following links are for both the game and the help document I did for those of you who are having trouble with some of the state capitals and presidents. So enjoy and have fun as you learn. List of presidents and state capitals http://dl.dropbox.com/u/53564654/Presidents%20and%20state%20capitals..txt Run For President game. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/53564654/rfp40w.zip -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
Hi Dark, Well, like I've said before there isn't much use in upgrading if it doesn't offer anything new for you personally. However, I am someone who likes to be on the bleeding edge, try new things, and I've always enjoyed staying up to date when and where possible. So that's largely where I'm coming from. Although, upgrading isn't necessarily always better for everyone, and we all have different preferences. I realize that as much as the next guy. My basic point isn't that you need to upgrade, or that you shouldn't use your own preferences in upgrading. Obviously, you should do what works for you at the moment, but you should be prepared to change if and when it becomes a necessity. For example, you've got a laptop running XP, it does everything you want it to do, so don't need to upgrade right now. However, lets say you have some serious hardware failure and that laptop dies. What will you do? Will you go on Ebay and buy a used laptop just to get another XP machine, or will you go to your favorite computer store and buy a new laptop with Win 7? The point being that change is inevitable. Yeah, there may not be a pressing need to upgrade right now, and you might not have to for several years. Sooner or later you'll probably have to buy a new laptop or desktop running Windows 7, Windows 8, or later on it to replace your older hardware and software. That's basically all I'm saying. As far as your opinion that desktops will stay and laptops will be a thing of the past in favor of hand-helds I personally disagree. One reason for that is that netbooks are very popular right now. Last year more netbooks were sold than desktops, and for good reason. They are smaller, lighter, more portible and more like the hand-held devices like tablet PCs I was talking about. Plus most laptops are as good as their desktop counterparts. For example, I got a Toshiba last October. Even though this isn't a high-end model it has a full sized keyboard, 17 inch display, DVD reader/writer, a duel core 2 GHZ 64-bit processor, 3 GB of ram, a 3d graphics card, etc. Basically, its specs are similar to the average desktop available at the same time I purchased my laptop. Plus the price on laptops have come way down and aren't any more than a desktop PC. So when I look at it I'm not at all sure the average consumer is willing to go out and buy a desktop PC when a laptop can do the same thing, costs about the same, and is smaller and easier to store. As you know I often do tech support on the side and what I've been seeing is mostly laptops for the last couple of years. Desktop sales have fallen here in the united states and I think the figures pretty much speak for themselves that desktops are more likely to be a thing of the past before laptops and netbooks. As a matter of fact I just helped a neighbor with her new laptop a couple of weeks ago. She got a new H.P. laptop and wireless printer and I had to help her get her printer working. As we were working I made a comment to the effect her new laptop was really light. She replied that she use to have one of those big desktops, it was too big for her apartment, so her and her husband decided to buy a small computer so she could put it away when she wasn't using it. She likes her laptop a lot better than the big desktop. Since my apartment is small, and I don't have room for a desktop either obviously size really does matter in certain cases. More and more people like this neighbor and myself are using laptops because we don't have to deal with a tower, big monitor, external keyboard, mouse, scanner, printer, etc all sitting on a desk taking up room. A laptop is very compact with the keyboard, mouse, and monitor all in one, and can be folded up and stored in a desk drawer when not being used. Like hand-helds laptops are more convenient than desktops and I believe it makes them more commercially viable for the average consumer. Cheers! On 3/13/2012 9:13 AM, dark wrote: I agree tom, prophiteering capitalist scumbags run things unfortunately. Myself however I disagree with your philosophy of get it and get used to it as I've said before, windows 7 would stop! me doing more stuff, so why should I use it? I use a parrot voice mate, which is one of the finest hand held personal organizers I've ever found, and great for phone numbers, voice notes etc. Should I stop using it becuase the firm that make them have gone bust? Heck no! of course, if I replace my laptop with an Iphone with voiceover, I'll probably no longer need the parrot voicemate, sinse the Iphone will do most of those functions, but sinse I currently just use a phone that is just a phone, and does nothing fancy, and would cost a lot of money to get a speech synth for it, I'll stick with the voicemate because it works for what I want. I don't really see why i should get used to doing something just because it is the latest thing and I'll
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
This is also one of the reasons I have the virtual machine versions of things like windowsXP running inside my windows7 machine - for bits of backward software compatibility occasionally. As in agree that want to make use of/play around with bleeding edge/new things, but sometimes, it might help to have the possibility to drift backward in time - temporarily...smile Think a sighted friend of mine reckons he can also run some virtual operating systems on his one android unit as well, but anyway... Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 7:15 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly Hi Dark, Well, like I've said before there isn't much use in upgrading if it doesn't offer anything new for you personally. However, I am someone who likes to be on the bleeding edge, try new things, and I've always enjoyed staying up to date when and where possible. So that's largely where I'm coming from. Although, upgrading isn't necessarily always better for everyone, and we all have different preferences. I realize that as much as the next guy. My basic point isn't that you need to upgrade, or that you shouldn't use your own preferences in upgrading. Obviously, you should do what works for you at the moment, but you should be prepared to change if and when it becomes a necessity. For example, you've got a laptop running XP, it does everything you want it to do, so don't need to upgrade right now. However, lets say you have some serious hardware failure and that laptop dies. What will you do? Will you go on Ebay and buy a used laptop just to get another XP machine, or will you go to your favorite computer store and buy a new laptop with Win 7? The point being that change is inevitable. Yeah, there may not be a pressing need to upgrade right now, and you might not have to for several years. Sooner or later you'll probably have to buy a new laptop or desktop running Windows 7, Windows 8, or later on it to replace your older hardware and software. That's basically all I'm saying. As far as your opinion that desktops will stay and laptops will be a thing of the past in favor of hand-helds I personally disagree. One reason for that is that netbooks are very popular right now. Last year more netbooks were sold than desktops, and for good reason. They are smaller, lighter, more portible and more like the hand-held devices like tablet PCs I was talking about. Plus most laptops are as good as their desktop counterparts. For example, I got a Toshiba last October. Even though this isn't a high-end model it has a full sized keyboard, 17 inch display, DVD reader/writer, a duel core 2 GHZ 64-bit processor, 3 GB of ram, a 3d graphics card, etc. Basically, its specs are similar to the average desktop available at the same time I purchased my laptop. Plus the price on laptops have come way down and aren't any more than a desktop PC. So when I look at it I'm not at all sure the average consumer is willing to go out and buy a desktop PC when a laptop can do the same thing, costs about the same, and is smaller and easier to store. As you know I often do tech support on the side and what I've been seeing is mostly laptops for the last couple of years. Desktop sales have fallen here in the united states and I think the figures pretty much speak for themselves that desktops are more likely to be a thing of the past before laptops and netbooks. As a matter of fact I just helped a neighbor with her new laptop a couple of weeks ago. She got a new H.P. laptop and wireless printer and I had to help her get her printer working. As we were working I made a comment to the effect her new laptop was really light. She replied that she use to have one of those big desktops, it was too big for her apartment, so her and her husband decided to buy a small computer so she could put it away when she wasn't using it. She likes her laptop a lot better than the big desktop. Since my apartment is small, and I don't have room for a desktop either obviously size really does matter in certain cases. More and more people like this neighbor and myself are using laptops because we don't have to deal with a tower, big monitor, external keyboard, mouse, scanner, printer, etc all sitting on a desk taking up room. A laptop is very compact with the keyboard, mouse, and monitor all in one, and can be folded up and stored in a desk drawer when not being used. Like hand-helds laptops are more convenient than desktops and I believe it makes them more commercially viable for the average consumer. Cheers! On 3/13/2012 9:13 AM, dark wrote: I agree tom, prophiteering capitalist scumbags run things unfortunately. Myself however I disagree with your philosophy of get it and get used to it as
Re: [Audyssey] Monopoly
Hi Trouble, Well, I've already seen some touchscreen displays. They are not available for your average e-machine PCs, but if you look at some of the higher end stuff $800 to $1,000 or better you'll see things like touchscreen displays which is the next generation input device. Some of the local businesses around here have them, and it probably won't be too long before they trickle down into the household models. Especially, now that Windows 8 and Ubuntu 12's user interfaces are being designed to target touchscreen displays. On 3/13/2012 8:49 AM, Trouble wrote: As far as touch goes your right its showing more and more. Even vista has some touch screen stuff. The only hold back is monitors, not many have it but that will be changing too. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] swamp server down?
The 1.8 Swamp server has been running since yesterday and it has a handful of people on it right now. I'm not sure why there was any trouble connecting. Can't connect with the regular version...something wacky with the server? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BariBariGames.
Hey are these BariBari games only on audiogames.net or is their an actual website where we can get these games. On 3/13/2012 6:03 PM, michael barnes wrote: Hey, I just downloaded two of the BariBari games call, BariBariShoot and BariBariSamurai. When I go to do the update it keeps telling me that I am doing an illegal act. So how can I check for updates? Thanks! -- This is Jason known as BlindFury --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] BariBariGames.
Hey, Jason. Here is the website address for the BariBari. pcyam.com If you can find out how to update the games please let me know. Thanks! -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
