Re: [Audyssey] tips on programming
Hi Thomas, wow, I wasn't aware Win 8 was as crazy as that. I thought they were supposed to be doing a big push for accessibility and are supposedly developing their own screen reader a'la Voiceover?… Yes?… Anyway, on the subject of Mac / iOS, remember that all the dev tools are free so yes, it will cost a bit up front but after that, with the exception of your developer membership ($99 per year) everything you need to write apps is free. Plus, the Mac OS updates are like $29 so even that is ridiculously inexpensive! :) If you wanted, you could also look for a refurbished Mac Mini which would be more than capable of running XCode. So you could use that for your development machine. -Just some thoughts… Smiles, Cara :) --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn Follow me on Twitter! https://twitter.com/ModelCara On Apr 2, 2012, at 3:18 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Cara, Wow! I had no idea that there were that many blind iPhone users. I knew they were becoming popular, people have mentioned them a lot on lists, but definitely I underestimated the actual size of those who own and use them. Which goes to show that there is a substantial market that is being overlooked because of the prevailing opinion that Windows is the only show in town. That 1,238 members of the VI Phone list is larger than Audyssey and I believe the audio games forum combined. That's a huge market we could in theory target if we wanted to break into it. As for getting a Mac and developing games for Mac's and iPhones I've definitely thought about it. I don't have the cash right now, but I've been thinking about switching to Mac for quite a while now do to purely practical reasons. One, I'm beta testing Windows 8 and to be perfectly honest about it I'm not impressed. There are things here and there I like about Windows 8, but over all I don't really care for it. Many of the UI changes such as the ribbons, the new start screen setup, and the general look and feel of the OS isn't appealing to me. Its designed for a touch screen and if you are blind and have to use a keyboard to get around its not really that user friendly or intuitive. The desktop has pretty much been phased out of use so I can't just copy my icons to the desktop like on prior versions of Windows which means I either have to dock them to the taskbar, fight with the confusing startscreen arrangement, or use run to launch the program. That part of it royally sucks. So I'm not really looking forward to using Win 8 in any copacity for my personal use. Second, while I am a faithful Linux user I'm smart enough to see that accessibility isn't as good as it could be. Apple is still far ahead because they have a dedicated team of developers who work on VoiceOver and do access testing with Cocoa to make sure the standard graphics toolkit etc is reasonably accessible with VoiceOver out of the box. As a result when I looked at 10.7 I couldn't believe how user friendly and accessible the design was, and it just keeps getting better. With Ubuntu 12.04 in some regards access took a massive step backwards. Unity 3D the default graphical environment is an accessibility nightmare. The Unity 2D environment is much better, but I still find installing gnome-classic as the most accessible graphical environment to date for Linux. Its a workable solution, but not without doing some extra configuration and having some experience configuring the system to have maximum accessibility. That's fine for an experienced Linux user like myself, as I know how to configure it to get it to do what I want, but experience or not its still frustrating to have to reconfigure everything to get access working as good as it can be. So I've been thinking that Mac OS right now might cost more up front to invest in, but its probably the best solution for a blind user. It seems Apple's accessibility has been growing by leaps and bounds and its worth the investment. Cheers! On 4/2/2012 1:08 AM, Cara Quinn wrote: Hi Thomas, yes, as of right now, not including some members I've not approved yet, we have 1238 people on VIPhone which is the iOS users' list. So yes, there is most definitely a thriving community here and mine is just one list! :) So I'd honestly encourage anyone who has thought of developing for iOS to get a Mac of some kind, an iOS device and start coding with Objective C! :) There's totally a market for it! People really want more games that are not only accessible, but that are creative in their accessibility. I.E. There are already many games which are accessible on iOS, but really taking the idea of audio games and running with it to bring a richer audio experience as many audio game developers for Windows are used to doing would be fabulous for the iDevices. Furthermore, there is actually also even a sighted market for audio games on the iDevices which you really don't see on the PC / Mac.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please
And, if you launch the games directly from their own executable files, instead of through the kitchensink winkit? Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: MamaPeach mamape...@charter.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please Thanks but I remembered to do that because that is the only way I got them to work for me when I installed them. He can see all of the games in the game menu and he can click on the name of a game, but once it goes to that particular game, he can not click on any of the options for that game, like start game, exit, change voice, change rate, nothing. -Original Message- From: Ron Schamerhorn Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:39 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please Hey Mama Peach and all I think I recall what the issue might be your friend is having. Since Jim's games automatically extract themselves to the winkit folder when installed, I believe they extract to the program files folder as opposed to the programx86 folder where the main Kitchen's in should be. I just remembered someone else having a similar issue. All that needs done is to just copy the game files into the other folder. HTH - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please Hi, Hmmm...It shouldn't matter If he quits Jaws before or after the game starts. Once Jaws is unloaded it frees up the keyboard hooks it uses to monitor keyboard input and DirectInput can acquire full control of the keyboard. Although, it might be worth a try to test this just to be sure. However, I don't really see this making any difference. On 4/2/2012 7:07 AM, MamaPeach wrote: Well, he turns off Jaws, but it is after he has started the games. I even do that and I have no trouble playing any of the games. I will work with him on maybe shutting off Jaws totally and then starting the games. Maybe setting up a hot key or something so he can find the games more easily. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] latest playroom
It's amaising! I have downloaded it before I saw your message, but why playroom 1.6 haven't at least announced that new version is available, just asking do you want to update and saying that's an optional update? It's important to everyone knows because 1.7 in my situation is much more stabil, and it doesn't crash like 1.6 when you have skype window opened while playroom is running. Regards, Nikola Stojsic (NS studios) e-mail: ns.studi...@gmail.com skype: nikola.stojsic company's twitter: https://twitter.com/nsstudios_co company's facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=13655297521ref=tn_tnmn private twitter: https://twitter.com/nikola_stojsic web site: http://www.nsstudiosweb.com -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of QuentinC Sent: Monday, 02 April, 2012 10:32 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] latest playroom Hello, As usual: http://qcsalon.net/ --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] latest playroom
Hello, Playroom 1.7 is facultative at the moment, but it will become mandatory in a couple of weeks. But playroom 1.6 never crashed with skype. Anyway, glad to hear that the new version fixes your problem. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] latest playroom
It did, I just asked my friends, and they even said that it was happening with 1.6 it just wanted to freeze. Regards, Nikola Stojsic (NS studios) e-mail: ns.studi...@gmail.com skype: nikola.stojsic company's twitter: https://twitter.com/nsstudios_co company's facebook: http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=13655297521ref=tn_tnmn private twitter: https://twitter.com/nikola_stojsic web site: http://www.nsstudiosweb.com -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of QuentinC Sent: Tuesday, 03 April, 2012 11:33 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] latest playroom Hello, Playroom 1.7 is facultative at the moment, but it will become mandatory in a couple of weeks. But playroom 1.6 never crashed with skype. Anyway, glad to hear that the new version fixes your problem. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please
I haven't had him try that. I will get with him later today and give it a go. -Original Message- From: Jacob Kruger Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 2:35 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please And, if you launch the games directly from their own executable files, instead of through the kitchensink winkit? Stay well Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: MamaPeach mamape...@charter.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please Thanks but I remembered to do that because that is the only way I got them to work for me when I installed them. He can see all of the games in the game menu and he can click on the name of a game, but once it goes to that particular game, he can not click on any of the options for that game, like start game, exit, change voice, change rate, nothing. -Original Message- From: Ron Schamerhorn Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:39 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please Hey Mama Peach and all I think I recall what the issue might be your friend is having. Since Jim's games automatically extract themselves to the winkit folder when installed, I believe they extract to the program files folder as opposed to the programx86 folder where the main Kitchen's in should be. I just remembered someone else having a similar issue. All that needs done is to just copy the game files into the other folder. HTH - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please Hi, Hmmm...It shouldn't matter If he quits Jaws before or after the game starts. Once Jaws is unloaded it frees up the keyboard hooks it uses to monitor keyboard input and DirectInput can acquire full control of the keyboard. Although, it might be worth a try to test this just to be sure. However, I don't really see this making any difference. On 4/2/2012 7:07 AM, MamaPeach wrote: Well, he turns off Jaws, but it is after he has started the games. I even do that and I have no trouble playing any of the games. I will work with him on maybe shutting off Jaws totally and then starting the games. Maybe setting up a hot key or something so he can find the games more easily. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Help
I wish, but he uses the enter key next to the letters, not the one on the numpad. -Original Message- From: Jim Kitchen Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 10:55 PM To: MamaPeach Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help Hi, Ok, since the arrow keys are working, it is definitely not the Jaws thing. How about, in many of my games you must use the enter key next to the letters, not the enter key on the number pad. Both will work in my game menu program and some of the games but not others. I hope that might help. BFN Jim Kitchen's Inc, for games that are up to 110 percent funner to play. j...@kitchensinc.net http://www.kitchensinc.net (440) 286-6920 Chardon Ohio USA --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Help
Okay, I had him try to run the actual .exe file of a game in the Program Files X86 Jim Kitchensinc folder and he still cannot click on the menu options. He can arrow through them, but when he hits the enter key, nothing happens. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please
hey, what do you mean by clicking on it? you should press enter then it might work! - Original Message - From: MamaPeach mamape...@charter.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please Yep, that is where I had him install them to. Here is what happened when he tries to play. He clicks on Kitchens Inc on his desktop. The game loads just fine. He is able to arrow through the different games. He lands on say Spanker. He is able to click on that. Now when he arrows through these options, start game, change voice, change volume, etc., he can't click on anything, not even exit. So he tries to get out of this, but with no luck. He can't hit escape or alt f4, it just seems to have locked up his machine. He has to reboot his machine in order to make it go away. On River Raiders, he can load the game, arrow through the menu options but he cannot click on anything. He can hit the escape key and the game shuts down just fine. Same thing on Top Speed 3. -Original Message- From: Jacob Kruger Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 1:33 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please The kitchenSink games need to be installed under program files (x86) since that's the sort of backward compatibility installation path for windows7 etc. HTH Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: MamaPeach mamape...@charter.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please Me either. It makes no sense. I noticed something when we were looking around on his machine which is weird to me because my machine doesn't show this. When I had him go into the C drive to find program files, he has three program files folders, one is just program files, one is program files 86 and the other is program files X86. I only have program files and program files X86. Why would his have three and would this matter in any way? -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 11:20 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please Hi, Ouch! That blows my theory out of the water. Apparently Michael had the same thought. I haven't a clue what to try next. On 4/1/2012 11:17 PM, MamaPeach wrote: He actually unloads Jaws all together so it isn't even running when he tries to play these games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Help
Hi MamaPeach, Can your friend play any games? Did he try Shades of Doom? It could be that his SAPI voice is not set correctly to play Jim's games. Does he use Microsoft Anna? Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please
That's what she means. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! -Original Message- From: Sid Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 6:42 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please hey, what do you mean by clicking on it? you should press enter then it might work! - Original Message - From: MamaPeach mamape...@charter.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please Yep, that is where I had him install them to. Here is what happened when he tries to play. He clicks on Kitchens Inc on his desktop. The game loads just fine. He is able to arrow through the different games. He lands on say Spanker. He is able to click on that. Now when he arrows through these options, start game, change voice, change volume, etc., he can't click on anything, not even exit. So he tries to get out of this, but with no luck. He can't hit escape or alt f4, it just seems to have locked up his machine. He has to reboot his machine in order to make it go away. On River Raiders, he can load the game, arrow through the menu options but he cannot click on anything. He can hit the escape key and the game shuts down just fine. Same thing on Top Speed 3. -Original Message- From: Jacob Kruger Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 1:33 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please The kitchenSink games need to be installed under program files (x86) since that's the sort of backward compatibility installation path for windows7 etc. HTH Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: MamaPeach mamape...@charter.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please Me either. It makes no sense. I noticed something when we were looking around on his machine which is weird to me because my machine doesn't show this. When I had him go into the C drive to find program files, he has three program files folders, one is just program files, one is program files 86 and the other is program files X86. I only have program files and program files X86. Why would his have three and would this matter in any way? -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 11:20 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please Hi, Ouch! That blows my theory out of the water. Apparently Michael had the same thought. I haven't a clue what to try next. On 4/1/2012 11:17 PM, MamaPeach wrote: He actually unloads Jaws all together so it isn't even running when he tries to play these games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at
Re: [Audyssey] Game Help
If that was the issue I don't think he'd even be able to hear the menu options. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! -Original Message- From: Phil Vlasak Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 6:53 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help Hi MamaPeach, Can your friend play any games? Did he try Shades of Doom? It could be that his SAPI voice is not set correctly to play Jim's games. Does he use Microsoft Anna? Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please
I can confirm this. It doesn't matter when you quit. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Mon, 02 Apr 2012 15:40:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please Hi, Hmmm...It shouldn't matter If he quits Jaws before or after the game starts. Once Jaws is unloaded it frees up the keyboard hooks it uses to monitor keyboard input and DirectInput can acquire full control of the keyboard. Although, it might be worth a try to test this just to be sure. However, I don't really see this making any difference. On 4/2/2012 7:07 AM, MamaPeach wrote: Well, he turns off Jaws, but it is after he has started the games. I even do that and I have no trouble playing any of the games. I will work with him on maybe shutting off Jaws totally and then starting the games. Maybe setting up a hot key or something so he can find the games more easily. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please
Unfortunately, that won't work as Jim's games are set up to allow very easy management. If the application for the game isn't in the folder with the winkit files, it won't show up on the list of games to play. - Original Message - From: Ron Schamerhorn blindwon...@cogeco.ca To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 17:39:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please Hey Mama Peach and all I think I recall what the issue might be your friend is having. Since Jim's games automatically extract themselves to the winkit folder when installed, I believe they extract to the program files folder as opposed to the programx86 folder where the main Kitchen's in should be. I just remembered someone else having a similar issue. All that needs done is to just copy the game files into the other folder. HTH - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please Hi, Hmmm...It shouldn't matter If he quits Jaws before or after the game starts. Once Jaws is unloaded it frees up the keyboard hooks it uses to monitor keyboard input and DirectInput can acquire full control of the keyboard. Although, it might be worth a try to test this just to be sure. However, I don't really see this making any difference. On 4/2/2012 7:07 AM, MamaPeach wrote: Well, he turns off Jaws, but it is after he has started the games. I even do that and I have no trouble playing any of the games. I will work with him on maybe shutting off Jaws totally and then starting the games. Maybe setting up a hot key or something so he can find the games more easily. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Swamp Weapons Thoughts
With that clarification I like that a lot. Just one thought, as most of the numbers have multiple weapons, wouldn't it fit to put the chainsaw with the flamethrower? - Original Message - From: Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 21:13:05 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Swamp Weapons Thoughts The Glock 19 can also be converted, paralegally, into an autofiring weapon by filing down the trigger break. I don't know how to do it, but I think it's funny, in a sort of scary way. As for the weapons stuff, what I essentially invisioned in my post was. 1: melee weapons 2: Pistols 3: Shotguns 4: Scoped Rifles 5: Submachineguns (essentially somewhere between a pistol and an automatic rifle, usually not held one handed but can be in a pinch, carbine length or shorter, 6: battle rifles/assault rifles (the difference being the size of bullet fired as both are automatic), 7: flamethrower (although I suggest that as a precaution against poluting the environment even further with fire and toxins, the benzine be removed from the fuel, essentially making the device a gasoline shooting, flame on, water gun), 8: Chainsaw, 9 or 0: Light Machineguns (machineguns are light, medium, or heavy, and this applies not only to weight but to size of ammunition and amount carried, with light usually carried by specially trained infantry), 0 or hyphen: minigun (Actually, the minigun is probably a medium machinegun, meaning it could be carried in emergencies but is probably best used in emplacements. Occasionally, mediums are vehicle mounted.) Actually, if we were going to follow my idea, I suggest strongly that the minigun, for several reasons listed below, be changed to fire .45 ammo, which should I think be the same price as 9mm, because both are very popular and quite old. The .45 ACP cartridge fires the largest bullet in swamp so far, which would make it perfect for a medium machinegun. Also, because the 7.62, if we followed my idea, would be used by the M-40 sniper rifle in Option 4, AK-47/M-14 battle rifle in secondary option 6, the M-60 in option 9 or 0, and the minigun in option 0 or hyphen. That makes four users of 7.62MM, the most expensive bullet in the game at four reputation a bullet to purchase. Since the minigun fires an ungodly number of these little guys, it's about 1200 rep to fill it up. If .45 ACP was used, and if it was the same price as 9MM is now, which I think is 24 reputation, the minigun could be filled for I think about 620, about half the price. I'll end on this note. I don't know what Kai is doing right now. I know that, so far, Kai and Jeremy have been a great team, and I hope that my occasional criticisms haven't made either one sore at me. If what's happened so far is any indication, there's a lot of good stuff to look forward to. SIgned: Dakotah Rickard On 4/2/12, Ken kenwdow...@neo.rr.com wrote: Yes, I'd love to see the Mac 10. This handgun can, though illlegally, be converted into a fully automatic weapon which fires, I kid you not, 32.5 rounds per second. That would put t on a par with the minigun! - Original Message - From: Dakotah Rickard dakotah.rick...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 1:02 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Swamp Weapons Thoughts Hello Gamers, and Jeremy Kaldobsky in particular. I was thinking about some things, having played Swamp 1.9 for a little while. We are now at the point where many weapons options are possible. What I mean by that is that, for example, we could have pistol options. We now have nothing that uses .45 ACP, so it has been removed from play. However, there are weapons ranging from the standard m-1911 pistol to the Mac-10 and similar submachineguns that could use .45 ACp. But we already have the Glock 19 and the MP5, or so you might say. However, we could still bring this into play, without limiting functionality. It would involve rearranging some things and changing another, but I get the inspiration from the way things were once in Swamp anyway, so it shouldn't be a surprise to any but the newest players. When Jeremy first provided the silencer option for the pistol, it was accessed by pressing the number 2 twice. It, in effect, loaded another weapon file into play, the file for the silenced pistol. I suggest that we could have multiple options under a category by this method, so we could have the Glock 19, which uses 9MM and the, I think it's Springfield m-1911 or anything else that uses .45 ACP. You could access the Glock 19 by pressing the number 2 one time, and the Springfield by pressing it again, or if switching from another weapon, by pressing it twice. Also, I'm sure it would be possible to do that if the character only had one of those pistols, pressing the number 2 would go straight to it, no matter whether it was the Glock or the
Re: [Audyssey] Game Help
Have you, by any chance tried another keyboard? I'm kind of grabbing at straws here, and I don't really see how that would be the problem, but it might be worth a shot. - Original Message - From: MamaPeach mamape...@charter.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 07:26:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help Okay, I had him try to run the actual .exe file of a game in the Program Files X86 Jim Kitchensinc folder and he still cannot click on the menu options. He can arrow through them, but when he hits the enter key, nothing happens. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] anotherminir issue
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[Audyssey] [IOS] Hearstrike: looking for challengers.
Hi, anybody want to play against me throw the game center with this app? I'm just waiting for you. My nick: siddharta33 You're welcome. Gabriele. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please
Clicking does mean hitting the enter key. -Original Message- From: Sid Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 8:42 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please hey, what do you mean by clicking on it? you should press enter then it might work! - Original Message - From: MamaPeach mamape...@charter.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please Yep, that is where I had him install them to. Here is what happened when he tries to play. He clicks on Kitchens Inc on his desktop. The game loads just fine. He is able to arrow through the different games. He lands on say Spanker. He is able to click on that. Now when he arrows through these options, start game, change voice, change volume, etc., he can't click on anything, not even exit. So he tries to get out of this, but with no luck. He can't hit escape or alt f4, it just seems to have locked up his machine. He has to reboot his machine in order to make it go away. On River Raiders, he can load the game, arrow through the menu options but he cannot click on anything. He can hit the escape key and the game shuts down just fine. Same thing on Top Speed 3. -Original Message- From: Jacob Kruger Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 1:33 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please The kitchenSink games need to be installed under program files (x86) since that's the sort of backward compatibility installation path for windows7 etc. HTH Jacob Kruger Blind Biker Skype: BlindZA '...fate had broken his body, but not his spirit...' - Original Message - From: MamaPeach mamape...@charter.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 5:24 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please Me either. It makes no sense. I noticed something when we were looking around on his machine which is weird to me because my machine doesn't show this. When I had him go into the C drive to find program files, he has three program files folders, one is just program files, one is program files 86 and the other is program files X86. I only have program files and program files X86. Why would his have three and would this matter in any way? -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 11:20 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help, Please Hi, Ouch! That blows my theory out of the water. Apparently Michael had the same thought. I haven't a clue what to try next. On 4/1/2012 11:17 PM, MamaPeach wrote: He actually unloads Jaws all together so it isn't even running when he tries to play these games. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be
Re: [Audyssey] Game Help
He is using whatever Kitchens Inc games start with, he hasn't change any of the sappi voices. -Original Message- From: Phil Vlasak Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 8:53 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help Hi MamaPeach, Can your friend play any games? Did he try Shades of Doom? It could be that his SAPI voice is not set correctly to play Jim's games. Does he use Microsoft Anna? Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Help
He can hear the text to speech voice, whichever one it is. Just can't hit enter once he has chosen a game. -Original Message- From: bpeterson2...@cableone.net Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 10:02 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help If that was the issue I don't think he'd even be able to hear the menu options. Are you threatening me? I am the great Cornholio! I come from Lake Titicaca! -Original Message- From: Phil Vlasak Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 6:53 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help Hi MamaPeach, Can your friend play any games? Did he try Shades of Doom? It could be that his SAPI voice is not set correctly to play Jim's games. Does he use Microsoft Anna? Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Help
His enter key works on everything else, such as games that don't need installed and it works fine on the RS Games Client and Quinton's Playroom. No problems with the keyboard on any of those games, so I don't think that is the problem. To me, not that I really know this for sure because a lot of this is over my head, but it just seems like he is missing something that is needed. I have never heard of this happening before though. -Original Message- From: john Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 11:07 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help Have you, by any chance tried another keyboard? I'm kind of grabbing at straws here, and I don't really see how that would be the problem, but it might be worth a shot. - Original Message - From: MamaPeach mamape...@charter.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Date sent: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 07:26:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help Okay, I had him try to run the actual .exe file of a game in the Program Files X86 Jim Kitchensinc folder and he still cannot click on the menu options. He can arrow through them, but when he hits the enter key, nothing happens. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Help
Hi MomaPeach, The Kitchen games use your default SAPI voice. My other question is can he play any other games? - Original Message - From: MamaPeach mamape...@charter.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help He is using whatever Kitchens Inc games start with, he hasn't change any of the sappi voices. -Original Message- From: Phil Vlasak Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 8:53 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help Hi MamaPeach, Can your friend play any games? Did he try Shades of Doom? It could be that his SAPI voice is not set correctly to play Jim's games. Does he use Microsoft Anna? Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2113/4912 - Release Date: 04/03/12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tips on programming
Hi Cara, Yes, Microsoft is working on improved accessibility by updating Narrator to be more like VoiceOver, but the beta I've seen still isn't quite VoiceOver quality. Although, some of the new voices like Microsoft David are certainly better than some of their older Sapi voices. They've also started the push towards UI Automation which insures a high degree of accessibility of apps and programs in the future. So there are certainly improvements in Windows 8. However, in typical Microsoft fashion they take one step forward and two steps back in terms of access. On one hand they have given us a much improved version of Narrator, Speech Recognizer, and Magnifier, but turn around and give us a less intuitive interface. The start screen is laid out like a table with groups and icons in columns and rows and it makes it difficult to actually find the program launcher we want. We can't just press w and jump to the Wordpad icon, but must hunt for it on the screen or type wordpad in the run dialog.Its the least accessible user interface I've seen on any modern OS to date. On Ubuntu Linux 12, for example, in Unity we can press alt+f1 which brings the focus to the quick launch panel. The Launcher Panel is a nice little area on the Unity desktop to place quick launch icons for frequently used applications and folders which is easier than browsing the menus for the icons. Plus with the addition of the quick launch panel we can now use the super key with numbers 1through 0 to launch apps from the quick launch panel and bring focus to that application's window. In short, the features showing up in Ubuntu 11 and 12 are obvious ideas borrowed from Windows 7 which are certainly good things that will pay off accessibility wise for VI Linux users. Anyway, I hadn't thought about picking up a used Mac Mini or MacBook for software development, but that is a good idea. It would probably save me some money, and as you said the Mac OS upgrades are cheaper than Windows upgrades. So its something to think about once my financial situation gets straightened out. Cheers! On 4/3/2012 2:00 AM, Cara Quinn wrote: Hi Thomas, wow, I wasn't aware Win 8 was as crazy as that. I thought they were supposed to be doing a big push for accessibility and are supposedly developing their own screen reader a'la Voiceover?… Yes?… Anyway, on the subject of Mac / iOS, remember that all the dev tools are free so yes, it will cost a bit up front but after that, with the exception of your developer membership ($99 per year) everything you need to write apps is free. Plus, the Mac OS updates are like $29 so even that is ridiculously inexpensive! :) If you wanted, you could also look for a refurbished Mac Mini which would be more than capable of running XCode. So you could use that for your development machine. -Just some thoughts… Smiles, Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Help
Hi, Weather the game is installed or not probably doesn't have anything to do with it. Keep in mind the RS Client and Quentin's Playroom are not written in Visual Basic. I think whatever is wrong with your friend's games probably has to do with a Visual Basic compatibility issue with Win 7. On 4/3/2012 5:49 PM, MamaPeach wrote: His enter key works on everything else, such as games that don't need installed and it works fine on the RS Games Client and Quinton's Playroom. No problems with the keyboard on any of those games, so I don't think that is the problem. To me, not that I really know this for sure because a lot of this is over my head, but it just seems like he is missing something that is needed. I have never heard of this happening before though. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Help
It is just so weird, I am running the same, windows 7, 64 bit and all works for me. Oh well, I just don't know. -Original Message- From: Thomas Ward Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 6:15 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help Hi, Weather the game is installed or not probably doesn't have anything to do with it. Keep in mind the RS Client and Quentin's Playroom are not written in Visual Basic. I think whatever is wrong with your friend's games probably has to do with a Visual Basic compatibility issue with Win 7. On 4/3/2012 5:49 PM, MamaPeach wrote: His enter key works on everything else, such as games that don't need installed and it works fine on the RS Games Client and Quinton's Playroom. No problems with the keyboard on any of those games, so I don't think that is the problem. To me, not that I really know this for sure because a lot of this is over my head, but it just seems like he is missing something that is needed. I have never heard of this happening before though. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Help
I mentioned several but was told they don't require the same things to run them that Kitchens Inc games goes. -Original Message- From: Phil Vlasak Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 5:54 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help Hi MomaPeach, The Kitchen games use your default SAPI voice. My other question is can he play any other games? - Original Message - From: MamaPeach mamape...@charter.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help He is using whatever Kitchens Inc games start with, he hasn't change any of the sappi voices. -Original Message- From: Phil Vlasak Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 8:53 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help Hi MamaPeach, Can your friend play any games? Did he try Shades of Doom? It could be that his SAPI voice is not set correctly to play Jim's games. Does he use Microsoft Anna? Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2113/4912 - Release Date: 04/03/12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Help
Hi, It may have already been mentioned but on jims website it says about needing direictx 8.1 or higher, could it be an older version of directx installed on the pc causing all the problems? Regards Paul Lemm -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of MamaPeach Sent: 03 April 2012 23:29 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help I mentioned several but was told they don't require the same things to run them that Kitchens Inc games goes. -Original Message- From: Phil Vlasak Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 5:54 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help Hi MomaPeach, The Kitchen games use your default SAPI voice. My other question is can he play any other games? - Original Message - From: MamaPeach mamape...@charter.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help He is using whatever Kitchens Inc games start with, he hasn't change any of the sappi voices. -Original Message- From: Phil Vlasak Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 8:53 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Game Help Hi MamaPeach, Can your friend play any games? Did he try Shades of Doom? It could be that his SAPI voice is not set correctly to play Jim's games. Does he use Microsoft Anna? Phil --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1424 / Virus Database: 2113/4912 - Release Date: 04/03/12 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Game Help
Hi, No, that wouldn't be an issue here. Windows 7 comes with the latest version of directX 8, and when Winkit is installed it adds the proper Visual Basic libraries as well. So DirectX isn't the issue here. On 4/3/2012 6:48 PM, Paul Lemm wrote: Hi, It may have already been mentioned but on jims website it says about needing direictx 8.1 or higher, could it be an older version of directx installed on the pc causing all the problems? Regards Paul Lemm --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tips on programming
FYI, have a listen, -Forwarded Message- From: John J Herzog [mailto:johnjher...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 1:12 AM Subject: windows 8 narrator, provides hype and not hope Hello everyone, I just completed a podcast explaining how narrator works in the new windows 8. Here is the link, and below are my opinions. I urge you to share this with every blind person you know, before our time to change things for the newest windows has passed. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15813782/windows%208%20narrator%20demo.mp3 Ok, now here are my thoughts. Long story short, Narrator is incredibly disappointing, and yet Microsoft is emphatically stating how great the upcoming accessibility will be on their developer blog. I am sending this podcast to all of you with the hopes that you will have ideas on how we can encourage blind consumers to pressure Microsoft to do better. It is clear to me that Microsoft is interested in nothing more than positive publicity for helping everybody out, yet does not want to put in the effort to give the blind a truly usable screen reader. Louis, narrator is no better in the consumer preview than it was in the developer version of windows released last September. Microsoft claims that over 10 changes were made from the first preview of windows to the current beta. And yet nothing was done for accessibility in that time. If we do not voice our disappointment as a community, then the final version of windows will likely not contain further accessibility improvements. To Marlaina and everybody else, you need to give this a listen to understand what Microsoft claims they are doing versus what they are actually doing. Scott, I know you were with me when I produced this tonight. However, I cannot find the link needed to submit this to the blind cool tech web site. Maybe one of you can get this posted to serotalk? If not, then I hope you all will share this with every other blind person you know. I normally don't get upset when things won't work as advertised. However, Microsoft really should know better than to produce such a flawed access solution. When better screen readers can be found in free operating systems such as Linux, there is a definite problem that needs to be addressed. And when they market accessibility, they really should have a product that stands up to the claim that it makes windows an inclusive operating system for everybody. I don't mean to rant, but give this a listen and let me know what you think. Thank you, John --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] blastbay competition games location
Hi list. Are the games for the competition gonna be posted here or somewhere else? Thanks. Jess --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Inquirie on BariBari Baseball.
Hey, I notice when I go to the BariBari Baseball website it title is Baseball 3. What is the reason for it to be call Baseball 3? Or is this just the version number? Thanks! -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] tips on programming
I aggree. Ms likes to create something that is really awesome then shoot themselves in the rear either in the current os or sometimes along the way. On that note I don't know why ms just gets rid of its magnifier and narater and use free opensource stuff like nvda and a magnifier it doesn't make. Seems it would help it a load. Ms are trying to impliment tablets into the desktop market and I guess in 10 years or so when every one blind included uses a tablet touch data pad this will be second nature. Right now though I am seriously going to just upgrade to 7, or if I can bad and insecure that it is stay with xp. Heck I can use vista shite that it is with classic menus! Unfortunately I have spent to much to ever go to another os. windows programs, readers, games, office apps, the list goes on. If I could go back in time I'd convince myself that all ms software was total crap and I should use macs. ofcause I'd never play windows games, but still, apple's tablet os seems to be better layedout than ms. Ms unfortunately has the reputation of stuffing up and requiring to update their stuff because its insecure. Even uac while I like it needs certificates which most stuff doesn't have, so its useless for general use and better switched off. I remember having a program back in the old dos days called interlink. With this program and its server app inter server,I was able to do paralel and serial backups of dammaged systems. True it took days but it still was a good thing. Ofcause being realtime especially on 9x systems it slowed down loads and eventually crashed the other system. it would also render the host system unbootable if I didn't start the server first. The good thing and major reason I used it was that I could load it without speech. my host system config may look like this. well you know what a config.sys looks like. I only needed a device to be set for interlnk.exe and it would be fine. In the server end in autoexec I just needed intersvr and thats all Sadly its not that easy now. sigh At 06:12 p.m. 3/04/2012 -0400, you wrote: Hi Cara, Yes, Microsoft is working on improved accessibility by updating Narrator to be more like VoiceOver, but the beta I've seen still isn't quite VoiceOver quality. Although, some of the new voices like Microsoft David are certainly better than some of their older Sapi voices. They've also started the push towards UI Automation which insures a high degree of accessibility of apps and programs in the future. So there are certainly improvements in Windows 8. However, in typical Microsoft fashion they take one step forward and two steps back in terms of access. On one hand they have given us a much improved version of Narrator, Speech Recognizer, and Magnifier, but turn around and give us a less intuitive interface. The start screen is laid out like a table with groups and icons in columns and rows and it makes it difficult to actually find the program launcher we want. We can't just press w and jump to the Wordpad icon, but must hunt for it on the screen or type wordpad in the run dialog.Its the least accessible user interface I've seen on any modern OS to date. On Ubuntu Linux 12, for example, in Unity we can press alt+f1 which brings the focus to the quick launch panel. The Launcher Panel is a nice little area on the Unity desktop to place quick launch icons for frequently used applications and folders which is easier than browsing the menus for the icons. Plus with the addition of the quick launch panel we can now use the super key with numbers 1through 0 to launch apps from the quick launch panel and bring focus to that application's window. In short, the features showing up in Ubuntu 11 and 12 are obvious ideas borrowed from Windows 7 which are certainly good things that will pay off accessibility wise for VI Linux users. Anyway, I hadn't thought about picking up a used Mac Mini or MacBook for software development, but that is a good idea. It would probably save me some money, and as you said the Mac OS upgrades are cheaper than Windows upgrades. So its something to think about once my financial situation gets straightened out. Cheers! On 4/3/2012 2:00 AM, Cara Quinn wrote: Hi Thomas, wow, I wasn't aware Win 8 was as crazy as that. I thought they were supposed to be doing a big push for accessibility and are supposedly developing their own screen reader a'la Voiceover? Yes? Anyway, on the subject of Mac / iOS, remember that all the dev tools are free so yes, it will cost a bit up front but after that, with the exception of your developer membership ($99 per year) everything you need to write apps is free. Plus, the Mac OS updates are like $29 so even that is ridiculously inexpensive! :) If you wanted, you could also look for a refurbished Mac Mini which would be more than capable of running XCode. So you could use that for your development machine. -Just some thoughts Smiles, Cara :)
[Audyssey] narator is hmmm?
To be honest trouble, its my view that fs and others, no especially fs would sue ms for taking their market if they actually made narator more than the crap that it is and always must be. In fact rumor has it that when they decided to do that in win2k fs did just that though its only a rumour. It doesn't help when other big and bad companies want to keep us spending 3000 pluss on their so called product. At 08:13 p.m. 3/04/2012 -0400, you wrote: FYI, have a listen, -Forwarded Message- From: John J Herzog [mailto:johnjher...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2012 1:12 AM Subject: windows 8 narrator, provides hype and not hope Hello everyone, I just completed a podcast explaining how narrator works in the new windows 8. Here is the link, and below are my opinions. I urge you to share this with every blind person you know, before our time to change things for the newest windows has passed. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15813782/windows%208%20narrator%20demo.mp3 Ok, now here are my thoughts. Long story short, Narrator is incredibly disappointing, and yet Microsoft is emphatically stating how great the upcoming accessibility will be on their developer blog. I am sending this podcast to all of you with the hopes that you will have ideas on how we can encourage blind consumers to pressure Microsoft to do better. It is clear to me that Microsoft is interested in nothing more than positive publicity for helping everybody out, yet does not want to put in the effort to give the blind a truly usable screen reader. Louis, narrator is no better in the consumer preview than it was in the developer version of windows released last September. Microsoft claims that over 10 changes were made from the first preview of windows to the current beta. And yet nothing was done for accessibility in that time. If we do not voice our disappointment as a community, then the final version of windows will likely not contain further accessibility improvements. To Marlaina and everybody else, you need to give this a listen to understand what Microsoft claims they are doing versus what they are actually doing. Scott, I know you were with me when I produced this tonight. However, I cannot find the link needed to submit this to the blind cool tech web site. Maybe one of you can get this posted to serotalk? If not, then I hope you all will share this with every other blind person you know. I normally don't get upset when things won't work as advertised. However, Microsoft really should know better than to produce such a flawed access solution. When better screen readers can be found in free operating systems such as Linux, there is a definite problem that needs to be addressed. And when they market accessibility, they really should have a product that stands up to the claim that it makes windows an inclusive operating system for everybody. I don't mean to rant, but give this a listen and let me know what you think. Thank you, John --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
