[Audyssey] core exiles
Hi there, I would like to try my hand at Core Exiles, but it asks who referred me. I'd love to give one of you lovely people the credit for that. Please send a note off list if A. you wouldn't mind my using your name and B. if you play there consistently and wouldn't mind assisting a new player. The community sounds really fabulous. Thanks so much. Warmly, Meka --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] adult games
Hi Lindsay, The address is flexiblesurvival.com port . They also have a wiki, and you can play portions of the game from the web. Meka - Original Message - From: lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] adult games That mud sounds good, can I have the details? Lindsay Cowell. -original message- Subject: [Audyssey] adult games From: Meka White, LMP m...@melodicmassage.com Date: 19/11/2013 2:08 am Hello everyone, Lately, I have found myself playing flexible Survival, the mud. It has a theme that I greatly enjoy--post-apocalypse with many darker, more adult themes. I would like to find more games like this. I know that there is one called Coruption of Champions, but it didn't seem accessible from the outset. It is a game that is played in flash via the internet, and no matter what I tried, I couldn't get it to start. If you have any suggestions, please let me know. I much prefer intricate, more involved games where strategy is involved. I like the idea of building societies just as much as I like the idea of being able to rule them using some of those darker-edged themes. Thank you. Meka --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] adult games
It's flexiblesurvival.com port It's an enjoyable game but it's very dark. It is extremely important to have very strong boundaries when it comes to in-character and out of character interactions. Meka - Original Message - From: lindsay_cow...@btinternet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, November 18, 2013 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] adult games That mud sounds good, can I have the details? Lindsay Cowell. -original message- Subject: [Audyssey] adult games From: Meka White, LMP m...@melodicmassage.com Date: 19/11/2013 2:08 am Hello everyone, Lately, I have found myself playing flexible Survival, the mud. It has a theme that I greatly enjoy--post-apocalypse with many darker, more adult themes. I would like to find more games like this. I know that there is one called Coruption of Champions, but it didn't seem accessible from the outset. It is a game that is played in flash via the internet, and no matter what I tried, I couldn't get it to start. If you have any suggestions, please let me know. I much prefer intricate, more involved games where strategy is involved. I like the idea of building societies just as much as I like the idea of being able to rule them using some of those darker-edged themes. Thank you. Meka --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] adult games
Hello everyone, Lately, I have found myself playing flexible Survival, the mud. It has a theme that I greatly enjoy--post-apocalypse with many darker, more adult themes. I would like to find more games like this. I know that there is one called Coruption of Champions, but it didn't seem accessible from the outset. It is a game that is played in flash via the internet, and no matter what I tried, I couldn't get it to start. If you have any suggestions, please let me know. I much prefer intricate, more involved games where strategy is involved. I like the idea of building societies just as much as I like the idea of being able to rule them using some of those darker-edged themes. Thank you. Meka --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] iAssociate2
It is a very fun game indeed! You practice a lot with your scrolling to make sure you can see the various fields that spin off from a word association. It is very fun and the developer has been so helpful and responsive to feedback. Meka - Original Message - From: Ian Hamilton i...@hotmail.com To: gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 1:40 PM Subject: [Audyssey] iAssociate2 Has anyone played this one? They've recently updated with VO compatibility, and apparently have another update coming in a few weeks with some more VO improvements. Getting some good feedback over on applevis. https://itunes.apple.com/app/iassociate-2/id370423110?mt=8 iAssociate 2 is a word association game, where players have to figure out which words or phrases are associated to each other and was featured on ABC's Good Morning America as a game that is great for keeping your brain sharp. They are keen to hear from VO gamers who can recommend improvements for them. http://www.applevis.com/applevis-forum/ios-ios-app-discussion/iassociate2-gets-facelift - Ian --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] FW: Smugglers 5 (!) released
This game looks quite fascinating. I'm pretty sure that I had a demo of this once but allowed the time to lapse due to being busy. From what I played, I liked it. although, what if I don't want to marry a beautiful wife but instead have a handsome husband? I'm just sayin, don't leave out the fabulous women admirals and pirates! Meka --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] miriani playerbase
The challenge withopt-in PVP on a role-play enforced game is that inevitably you will have people who say whatever they want and antagonize the pvp players, with the idea that nothing can be done to retalliate against them. Of course Ihave seen other rp-enforced games who manage opt-in PVP in such a way, and those who antagonize will quickly find themselves set to PVP. Of course, this actually requires some work to keep the game atmosphere going well, and I just never got the impression that those with the ability to create change gave a crap about it. Meka - Original Message - From: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 8:09 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] miriani playerbase It's also because a lot of the pirate players are totally over-grown kids with inflated egos, who can't get attention any other way than to bully and harrass people. It's up to the hosts to stop being lazy and deal with them. -- From: Valiant8086 valiant8...@lavabit.com Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 8:07 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] miriani playerbase Hi. You've got the idea. that is why I quit playing. I had a pretty nifty soundpack going there too that I no longer support because I can't bother playing it. It's a neat game, but opt-in pvp has me totally spoiled. Sent with Thunderbird 14 Portable On 9/12/2012 12:26 AM, dark wrote: Hi Nick. I know myself that even though there is a lot I'd like to try in miriani, ship to ship combat, fighting the aliens etc, the constant unregulated pvp where anyone can blow you up at any time puts me off entirely, sinse I just am not interested in a game like that, and I don't want to risk all my progress and equip ment being destroyed by some high level player who was having a bad day. I have met several miriani players who made progress in the game, but left because they got sick of this aspect of things, indeed to my mind nothing is more! liekly to put new players off than being killed by anyone of a higher level. so, while I'm not sure if this is a reason for the decline, if miriani changed their policy and made player killing an opt in system the way it is on alteraeon, methinks they would get a lot more interest, starting with myself. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Nick Helms nick.he...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 3:37 AM Subject: [Audyssey] miriani playerbase Hello all, Althoguh I don't play miriani anymore, I periodicly look at their website, just to stay in touch with what's happening ingame(announcements, ingame news, etc). More recently, I've discovered that the number of players connected at any given time has dropped from the mid 50s to usualy somewhere in the mid-30s and sometimes even lower. I'm curious to know if there are any outstanding reasons for this decline? -- Nick Helms P.L.U.R. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or
Re: [Audyssey] miriani playerbase
There is a difference between realism and griefing. While there are pirates in space-themed novels who steal, loot, and plunder repeatedly, it doesn't mean that you should continue to do it once someone is up and knock them down again. If I want that kind of realism, I'll go live real life. There's realism for the sake of game balance, and then there is realism that can stifle. It cracks me up when fantasy themed games try to go too far to make things realistic and go so overboard. Casting magic missile in the darkness isn't necessary a point to realism either, and yet it's featured in most of those types of games. When it's stifling and it's far more work, then it becomes far less fun for me. I'd be fine with space pirates if people actually roleplayed consistently and it was more than just blowing up ships just because they don't like something you said on chatter, or they are OOCly having a bad day. Pirates could commandeer ships, screw around with trade prices and values, have effects on planets. All of these things are things that could be roleplayed and with a little host help, could come off quite well. There could be an opportunity to form a resistance group, to react to what the pirates are doing. This is cause and effect. This is build-up. This is role play. There are some games where notorious villains stop and help out newbies in their own way. Why? Because they understood that other players were the lifeblood of a mud. They could have cut them down, been mean and hateful, but they chose not to and instead chose to lend a hand. Then later, they chose to do some awesome roleplay with that player once they'd gotten established and start conflict. Blowing up ships, consistently griefing, and holding someone for hours to stun and strand them takes no imagination. There is no build-up, no conflict, it's just someone waving their e-genitals around and proclaiming that theirs is bigger while hiding behind the 'but it's my character and that's how I roleplay!' facade. But since nothing has been done about it and it won't likely change, it's just more fuel to feed the beast. Warmly, Meka, who apparently has a very strong opinion on this issue. - Original Message - From: James Howard coldshadow...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 8:45 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] miriani playerbase Ok, I'm going to play devil's advocate here. while at the same time, I agree, there should be limits, I also think the hosts, want a high realism effect. when you consider real life, you don't get alot of times to choose if you want to be attacked and things stolen from you, this is the similar effect they're trying to put in game. While I agree they do need to make changes, they're not, because they don't care to, and the majoiry of the older players there, have enough influence to keep it the way it is, even if they did want to change it. and to be perfectly honest, miriani does still have a good peek playerbase, I see over 60 to 70 people alot during the day, and truthfully, that number doesn'ts eem like its going to drop anytime soon. so also, sense they look at that, and see hey, we have a goo player number, there's no need to change these small things like this, its a case of teh majority verses the few. so until something drastic actually happens, don't expect it to change. On 9/28/12, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: To be honest lori, opt in pvp would mean they don't need! to deal with anyone. that way anyone who wants! to fight other people could do so and as far as the rest of us are concerned just get the heck on with it. I've no problem with people blowing 7 shades out of each other in games so long as everyone agrees first and that it doesn't affect what I, as a solo player am doing. This is exaclty where kingdom of loathing got it right I think, not to mention alteraeon of course. Beware the grue! DArk. - --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. ---
Re: [Audyssey] I! am the doctor!
Congratulations! That is quite an accomplishment. I am going to have some pizza in your honor. Give your brain some time off and simply enjoy the heck out of life. I'm proud of you. Rock on with your soon-to-be doctor self! Meka - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 8:51 AM Subject: [Audyssey] I! am the doctor! This is just to say that this morning I submitted the final draught of my phd thesis, the one I've been working on for the past five years! (it was supposed to be three, but ended up as five due to illness). The title, if anyone was wondering is Disability, desire and society: the establishment of a new individualistic definition of disability and its practical uses in everyday life. Hopefully, assuming that my viva, aka, my spoken examination goes okay and the external examiner doesn't tell me to rewrite the hole thing, this means that it will be completed and I should offically graduate next June, where upon I can legitimately say, as many great timelords have said before me I! am! the doctor! Now, my general plan is to do bugger all, play games and catch up on work for audiogames.net for a bit, while taking a qualification in voice. I'll then be applying to do a post graduate deploma in voice and trying to start a career as a professional tenor, but for right now, I'm watching original starwars and eating pizza! hurrah! Oh, and btw, Raul, Tom, damien and anyone else is quite free to chuck rocks at me for ot messages on list. There are however a very few occasions when the tencile strength of rules needs a little straining though, and methinks this be one of them. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Miriani player base
An older email asked why Miriani's player base has gone down. I cannot speak for others, but as a former Miriani player, I can tell you why I no longer play. The game says that it is rp-enforced, and for a long time, the staff enforced it wonderfully. These days, anything goes and if your ship happens to get blown up, or someone stuns you on a ship for hours because they are just having a bad day in real life, then there is nothing that you as a player can do about it. You're told to suck it up. 'It's the way I play my character! Don't judge me! It's how a pirate acts!' Without going in to detail about just how much bull that is, I will simply state that it is annoying. It isn't just that something in game has happened, but it's preventing you from continuing to play. There is nothing that you can do when a team of griefers-and that is exactly what these problem players are-decide that it is their duty to pull their apparent rank and become excessive about what they do. It is difficult to deduce what is or is not appropriate role-play on Miriani because rules are not in place to form some kind of standard and anything goes. Insults are freely given over the chatter channel that some will be quick to chime in 'but that's how I rp!'. Except that it's worse than what you find on Internet forums and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I am a huge fan of role-play. I have done collaborative story writing for years via email, forums, mushes, and instant messengers. I am all about good characterization, fun plots, and building up a conflict. Conflicts can be fun, and if done well, even if you come out on the losing end, you can still feel good about your performance in the play. Unfortunately, Miriani has become a pool where griefers freely swim and the life guards do absolutely nothing. I blame the staff more than anything. People will generally play within the parameters that you set for them. If they don't, and continue to be a nuisance, then staff should bring action down. How are players supposed to know what they should be doing if staff don't step in? Of course, I suppose I assume that the average person isn't going to go out of their way to be a complete jackwagon and would try to be decent, but what do I know? There are so many features of the game that I truly enjoy. But the griefers and the staff's complacency in dealing with them is why I do not play there any longer and have found something else. Warmly, Meka --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Miriani player base
I play star conquest, although I would like a more medieval fantasy mud. Also, I can hack and slash with the best of them. Meka - Original Message - From: Mike Maslo mmaslo1...@swbell.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 3:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Miriani player base Where do you play Sent from my iPhone On Sep 14, 2012, at 4:49 PM, Meka White, LMP m...@melodicmassage.com wrote: An older email asked why Miriani's player base has gone down. I cannot speak for others, but as a former Miriani player, I can tell you why I no longer play. The game says that it is rp-enforced, and for a long time, the staff enforced it wonderfully. These days, anything goes and if your ship happens to get blown up, or someone stuns you on a ship for hours because they are just having a bad day in real life, then there is nothing that you as a player can do about it. You're told to suck it up. 'It's the way I play my character! Don't judge me! It's how a pirate acts!' Without going in to detail about just how much bull that is, I will simply state that it is annoying. It isn't just that something in game has happened, but it's preventing you from continuing to play. There is nothing that you can do when a team of griefers-and that is exactly what these problem players are-decide that it is their duty to pull their apparent rank and become excessive about what they do. It is difficult to deduce what is or is not appropriate role-play on Miriani because rules are not in place to form some kind of standard and anything goes. Insults are freely given over the chatter channel that some will be quick to chime in 'but that's how I rp!'. Except that it's worse than what you find on Internet forums and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I am a huge fan of role-play. I have done collaborative story writing for years via email, forums, mushes, and instant messengers. I am all about good characterization, fun plots, and building up a conflict. Conflicts can be fun, and if done well, even if you come out on the losing end, you can still feel good about your performance in the play. Unfortunately, Miriani has become a pool where griefers freely swim and the life guards do absolutely nothing. I blame the staff more than anything. People will generally play within the parameters that you set for them. If they don't, and continue to be a nuisance, then staff should bring action down. How are players supposed to know what they should be doing if staff don't step in? Of course, I suppose I assume that the average person isn't going to go out of their way to be a complete jackwagon and would try to be decent, but what do I know? There are so many features of the game that I truly enjoy. But the griefers and the staff's complacency in dealing with them is why I do not play there any longer and have found something else. Warmly, Meka --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously?
I would hope that this would be more of a guideline encouraging people to proofread their emails rather than a hard and fast rule, because where do you draw the line on coming down on someone? One mispelled word? Two? A misused comma? Don't get me wrong, I am a huge proponent of proofing what you write. it's a good, courteous habit to start laying down, but do you really want to create that much more work for yourselves? Warmly, Meka - Original Message - From: Shiny protector muhamme...@googlemail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 9:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Hello Mr. Ward, I absolutely disagree with the idea that you have told us about the proofreading guideline. We should implement the idea, because if we do not implement the said idea you are talking about, more messages with poor grammar, punctuation and spelling may be sent fourth to people and this mailing list. I, myself, may not be perfect in my writing, but my writing is extremely satisfactory these days. My point is, even if people find the guideline highly insulting or highly agitating, the guideline should still be implemented into the guidelines for the audyssey list. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Blind Gamers Being Taken Seriously? Hi Jeremy, Yes, you definitely raise some very good points in your message. As you pointed out the biggest problem in communicating with sighted developers and the public at large is ignorance on their part. Most sighted people have never met a blind person before, and even if they have there is no way of knowing what their experience was if any. Its our job to correct their impressions through by educating them a step at a time, and to do it in a way that makes us look like intelligent, competent, and mature individuals who have something worthwhile to say about their products and services. Its for that reason every time I see a poorly written message on Audyssey or some other access list I inwardly cringe. I can't tell you how many blind individuals just shoot off a message filled with poor grammar, lack of proper punctuation, and spelling errors. Like it or not if a sighted person reads those messages we will be judged one and all as not very intelligent, as lacking communication skills, etc. Bottom line, if we want the mainstream public's respect we have to work for it, and not forgo proper language and writing skills for convenience sake. Here at Audyssey we considered adding proofreading to the list guidelines to improve the quality and clarity of the posts. Unfortunately, there were some individuals that took serious offense to that, and felt that the moderators were going too far. All I can draw from their reaction is they don't care about being taken seriously and want the rest of the sighted world to view us negatively, because that's exactly what will happen if they send a poorly written message to a person or company who has no experience with the blind. In short, good communication skills will go a long ways to bridging the gap between the blind and sighted communities. Cheers! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Proofreading Guidelines was Blind Gamers Being TakenSeriously?
I honestly don't care one way or the other what the decision about proofreading guidelines are going to be. I think it's important that people proof their emails in general. Writing messages off list to those who might have stated a particular sentence unclearly may come off as condescending, and again, it's putting an awful lot of work on yourselves. Personally, I think just a simple guideline asking people to proof their emails would be more than sufficient. Just my 0.02, which may become a dollar with inflation. Meka - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2011 4:28 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Proofreading Guidelines was Blind Gamers Being TakenSeriously? Hi Meka and all, Back when we were discussing the proofreading guidelines for the list we were considering something very basic that most people should be able to follow without too much explanation. For example, let's take punctuation. Now, we know there are some more advanced punctuation rules such as using colons, semi-colons, and dashes that may be unfamiliar to some of our list members. We would be willing to overlook things like that because there are plenty of people who are sighted that aren't sure where to put a colon or where a semi-colon should be used instead of a comma. However, everyone blind or sighted should be able to know where and when to use basic punctuation rules like periods, questions, and exclamation points. We base this on the fact that anyone over 10 years old in the United States should be able to recognize the difference between a declarative sentence, exclamatory sentence, or question. In fact, my son is only seven years old and he can tell you when and where to put a period or question mark. So its not unreasonable to ask list members---who are likely older than seven---to complete sentences with a period or question mark at a bare minimum. As far as spelling goes it is usually pretty obvious when someone doesn't attempt to proofread a message for spelling errors. One or two can be overlooked but if a message is full of several mistakes its going to be rather obvious that the person has not made any effort to proofread the message before sending. Most e-mail clients such as Thunderbird, Windows Live Mail, Microsoft Outlook, etc come with spell checkers so there really isn't an excuse not to spell check a document to get a reasonable amount of accuracy on the final draft. The same holds true for grammar. Its a given certain words can be very confusing for a blind user. The English language is full of words that sound alike but have totally different meanings such as: to, too, two, there, their, they're, sale, sail, here, hear, stake, steak, where, and wear.Some spell checkers will catch the grammatical mistake, but some won't. In a case like that a moderator would overlook the mistake as long as the message was otherwise pretty free of errors. Trust me when I say we understand how something like that could be confusing if a person is using speech instead of braille or visual reinforcement. If it is something more obvious like a double negative the moderator could write the person off list suggesting how to restate the sentence so it is more grammatically correct. The purpose wouldn't be to put the person down but merely to instruct them how to improve there language/communication skills. For example, let's assume someone writes, I didn't find no ammo in Shades of Doom. Some people might not realize that is a double negative, is grammatically incorrect, and might just need a reminder how to restructure that sentence to read, I didn't find any ammo in Shades of Doom. That doesn't mean we--the moderators---would hound people, but would merely make recommendations and suggestions that would improve their communication skills. I for one can't see it as anything other than being helpful and an improvement for the person. Of course, a lot depends on if the person wants the help, wants to change, or continue to compose poorly written messages. In a case like that if a person continues to write messages that are difficult to read the moderators would then go to the next step by moderating or banning them from the list until the quality of their posts improves. However, we wouldn't take a serious action like banning them without giving them a number of chances to correct the problems first. Cheers! On 12/17/11, Meka White, LMP m...@melodicmassage.com wrote: I would hope that this would be more of a guideline encouraging people to proofread their emails rather than a hard and fast rule, because where do you draw the line on coming down on someone? One mispelled word? Two? A misused comma? Don't get me wrong, I am a huge proponent of proofing what you write. it's a good, courteous habit to start laying down, but do you really want to create that much more work for yourselves? Warmly, Meka
Re: [Audyssey] Core-Exiles
if you mean www.core-exiles.com it isn't a mud at all, which is why you can't access it that way. It is a browser-based game. - Original Message - From: Lori Duncan lori_dunca...@hotmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 6:53 AM Subject: [Audyssey] Core-Exiles Hi I found this one on the net, I thought I could get into it using my VIP MUD client, but it seems not. Has anyone else managed to playing it using a mud. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
