Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
Guys, this may come as a shock, but game development companies don't write games for people to enjoy. smile They write games for people to buy, and then sequels for people to buy again, and so on… the game is merely a product, and it takes product to make money. the company's main interest is to make money, and more specifically, clear profit. Without that, its pointless for the company to exist, if it can at all… Sure, there are people within those companies who genuinely enjoy their work and do want people to enjoy the experience of using the product, but the company as a whole only wants people to enjoy the product so that either more will buy it or the original owners will buy accessories or derivative works. smile Very sorry to burst your bubble here, but this is the way the capitalist world works. lol!… this is one reason that developers in this community really should be given a whole lot more credit / respect / understanding than they actually seem to get. These people *DO* care about people enjoying their games and don't simply view them as product for consumers. they do however live in the same capitalist model in the sense that we all need to make a living, so all of the good intentions in the world still need to be supplemented with a healthy dose of food on the table! … smile Catch my meaning?… Have a great evening and catch y'all on the flip!… Smiles, Cara :) On Feb 10, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Bryan wrote: A mainstream dev isn't going to care about that. If they perceive something as being a violation to their copyright and they're strict enough about it they'll find a way to deal with it, usually one that means the rest of us can't enjoy the game. Besides, now that Thmas has agreed to change the name of the game he can't very well back out on that. Besides, he seems like too much of an honorable person to do that. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: josh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement they can't sue you for what you don't have. if you have it they can sue you. - --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
Ah, yes, -was just agreeing as I like both cultures and aspects that that might bring to a game. Two totally different approaches. But yes, I think for this game, if you'd want to stay closer to the treasure / warrior aspects, Aztecs would have to be the way of it!… smile this brings up an interesting point in itself. I personally go for games that also give me a bit of insight / knowledge into the subject matter rather than just an entertaining jaunt, if you catch my meaning… I'm assuming you're thinking along these lines as well, for your new version of this one?… I.E. -having some insights about the culture inherent in the game… Anyway, blah blah blah -nuff from me for now. smile Thanks for the note and have a lovely evening!… Smiles, Cara :) On Feb 12, 2008, at 1:10 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Cara, Hmm... Well, seeing as the object is treasure hunting probably should be Aztecs. They were well known for their great wealth in gold, silver, and warlike ways. If you remember the ancient Mayans are more remembered today for their calendars, language, and level of scientific observations. Especially, their wealth of knowledge in ancient astronomy. Their paintings, statuary, and pyramids are also of great value, but as an Empire the Mayans didn't have as much gold and silver as Aztecs and Incas. While they weren't wealthy in precious metals they were wealthy in other ways. A way the Spanish concorers completely ignored. One of the great ironies of the Spanish conquest is that they concored the Aztecs and Incas fairly quickly, and they were the ritchest Empires in the region. When they concored the Mayans hey were the least wealthy, but took the longest to defeat. Cara Quinn wrote: I like both, Mayans and/or Aztecs. I think either would make for an interesting and fun gaming environment. Rock!… Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
Hi Cara, Hmm... Well, seeing as the object is treasure hunting probably should be Aztecs. They were well known for their great wealth in gold, silver, and warlike ways. If you remember the ancient Mayans are more remembered today for their calendars, language, and level of scientific observations. Especially, their wealth of knowledge in ancient astronomy. Their paintings, statuary, and pyramids are also of great value, but as an Empire the Mayans didn't have as much gold and silver as Aztecs and Incas. While they weren't wealthy in precious metals they were wealthy in other ways. A way the Spanish concorers completely ignored. One of the great ironies of the Spanish conquest is that they concored the Aztecs and Incas fairly quickly, and they were the ritchest Empires in the region. When they concored the Mayans hey were the least wealthy, but took the longest to defeat. Cara Quinn wrote: I like both, Mayans and/or Aztecs. I think either would make for an interesting and fun gaming environment. Rock!… Cara :) --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
Yes, there is that also. At least we're lucky i that our devs actually write games with an eye towards being enjoyed as well as making some extra dough. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Cara Quinn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2008 1:02 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Guys, this may come as a shock, but game development companies don't write games for people to enjoy. smile They write games for people to buy, and then sequels for people to buy again, and so on… the game is merely a product, and it takes product to make money. the company's main interest is to make money, and more specifically, clear profit. Without that, its pointless for the company to exist, if it can at all… Sure, there are people within those companies who genuinely enjoy their work and do want people to enjoy the experience of using the product, but the company as a whole only wants people to enjoy the product so that either more will buy it or the original owners will buy accessories or derivative works. smile Very sorry to burst your bubble here, but this is the way the capitalist world works. lol!… this is one reason that developers in this community really should be given a whole lot more credit / respect / understanding than they actually seem to get. These people *DO* care about people enjoying their games and don't simply view them as product for consumers. they do however live in the same capitalist model in the sense that we all need to make a living, so all of the good intentions in the world still need to be supplemented with a healthy dose of food on the table! … smile Catch my meaning?… Have a great evening and catch y'all on the flip!… Smiles, Cara :) On Feb 10, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Bryan wrote: A mainstream dev isn't going to care about that. If they perceive something as being a violation to their copyright and they're strict enough about it they'll find a way to deal with it, usually one that means the rest of us can't enjoy the game. Besides, now that Thmas has agreed to change the name of the game he can't very well back out on that. Besides, he seems like too much of an honorable person to do that. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: josh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement they can't sue you for what you don't have. if you have it they can sue you. - --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
Hi, I agree with you Ari. - Original Message - From: ari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 6:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement really Thomas, feel very sorry for you about this, can't stand bloody evil people like that, these big bullying corporate-types who try and find anything to sue over to just make money, that's the one thing I find not great about America, the culture over there of people just wanting to find problems and suing all the time. It's absolutely disgusting, I mean, how could anyone even confuse them with you, you are making a game for blind people, they're not even bothering to do that anyway. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 2/10/2008 12:21 PM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
Hi Bryan, Well, I've been doing some thinking about that, and I have decided first off to include this game as apart of the Tomb Hunter series of games. This will be volume 1 in the Tomb Hunter installment featuring Angela Summers as are daring female treasure hunter. I've already imported the Tomb Hunter music, and some of the ambiance so it will match up with volume 2 which is a First Person action adventure. You are right that Angela's Quest might be to generic. I have considered making this temple an ancient Mian ruins which Angela Summers is exploring when she finds it is cursed with undead Mian warriors, giant spiders, and huge giant Pythons to start off with. Though the Aztec's would work too. If it is Aztec's we are sticking with there could be a couple of names we could use. Your name Treasure of the Aztec's or Mysteries of the Aztec's. Bryan wrote: If I might make a suggestion for the title? I personaly think Angela's Quest sounds a little too generic. Might I suggest Angela Summers and the Treasures of Montezuma? Or just plain Treasures of the Aztecs. We could still kep the Aztec connection, which I've always thought was kinda neat. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Now we need a Brain blaster game. Then we could all blast brains. -- From: Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 2:27 AM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement If everyone who needed their brains blasting got them blasted, the world would be full of blasted brains! Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Darren Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Yes well they were just stupid fools. If they want to change the name of a book that has been around for a good few decades just because of that well they need their brains blasting. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Sent: 10 February 2008 23:32 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement They were the WWF for years. It was kinda like the stink some people raised about the second Lord of the Rings movie being called Two Towers. After September 11 they got all uptight because they said it referenced the twin towers of the World Trade Center. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement H, why would it be a good thing? all I can see it as is an annoyence, - though in fairness this does seem to come up a lot, - look at the way the world wrestling federation is now world wrestling entertainment because the world wildlife fund complained about them using the letters wwf as their name. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 10/02/2008 12:21 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 11:54 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
If everyone who needed their brains blasting got them blasted, the world would be full of blasted brains! Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Darren Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Yes well they were just stupid fools. If they want to change the name of a book that has been around for a good few decades just because of that well they need their brains blasting. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Sent: 10 February 2008 23:32 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement They were the WWF for years. It was kinda like the stink some people raised about the second Lord of the Rings movie being called Two Towers. After September 11 they got all uptight because they said it referenced the twin towers of the World Trade Center. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement H, why would it be a good thing? all I can see it as is an annoyence, - though in fairness this does seem to come up a lot, - look at the way the world wrestling federation is now world wrestling entertainment because the world wildlife fund complained about them using the letters wwf as their name. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 10/02/2008 12:21 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 11:54 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
Why don't you read every email with regarding to this subject instead of posting pointless 1 liners that is only worth a delete key. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of josh Sent: 11 February 2008 01:12 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement hi thomas, why don't they download and play your game before making acuzations? - Original Message - From: darren harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi Thomas, Well, a chance meeting is a chance meeting. If someone outside the blind community saw this game, if they are thinking for example to make a law sute against you, then in order to properly make a case against you they would logically have to look at the game, both in terms of how it's played, code etc so on and so forth. I'm not saying they will go down that road, but in order to make a case logically or I would have thought, someone would have to play the game, a programmer look at the code etc to see what the viability of such a case would be. Not that they would say such things at the start logically there's no reason why they should. Now, lets assume for a moment that someone has done as I have already outlined. To look at the game from as many angles as they can. They will see what you've done and how you have done it. They may even be able to play the game without the use of eyes and I don't mean that patronisingly. It's very difficult initially when you are used to playing games by looking, to switch over to pure audio. Something a total from birth could not understand. In principle yes but not in reality. So think of it like this. They could just as easily let this whole thing go. But at the very least you've got a bit of exposure. At worced they could make a case against you. But as you have said you doubt very much that they will. At best? You've earn't some outside curiosity which may well help to spread the word with regards to making games accessible for blind people. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 10 February 2008 16:27 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi, I don't know what good can come from this, but I am certain this will blow over in a few days. I am not treating this as a big deal. Like you I think they are just cureous more than anything else. Darren Harris wrote: Well yes I mean what's in a name anyway. Like I say this may do the blind friendly games community some good anyway. Like I say this doesn't actually have to be a bad thing. A funny way to go about it am sure but it could well be that they are just blatently cureous about the game but haven't outright said so yet. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 10/02/2008 12:21 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 10/02/2008 12:21 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
I like both, Mayans and/or Aztecs. I think either would make for an interesting and fun gaming environment. Rock!… Cara :) On Feb 11, 2008, at 7:02 PM, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Bryan, Well, I've been doing some thinking about that, and I have decided first off to include this game as apart of the Tomb Hunter series of games. This will be volume 1 in the Tomb Hunter installment featuring Angela Summers as are daring female treasure hunter. I've already imported the Tomb Hunter music, and some of the ambiance so it will match up with volume 2 which is a First Person action adventure. You are right that Angela's Quest might be to generic. I have considered making this temple an ancient Mian ruins which Angela Summers is exploring when she finds it is cursed with undead Mian warriors, giant spiders, and huge giant Pythons to start off with. Though the Aztec's would work too. If it is Aztec's we are sticking with there could be a couple of names we could use. Your name Treasure of the Aztec's or Mysteries of the Aztec's. Bryan wrote: If I might make a suggestion for the title? I personaly think Angela's Quest sounds a little too generic. Might I suggest Angela Summers and the Treasures of Montezuma? Or just plain Treasures of the Aztecs. We could still kep the Aztec connection, which I've always thought was kinda neat. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- View my Online Portfolio at: http://www.onemodelplace.com/CaraQuinn --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes, i heard about that one, - utter insanity! Luckily the name wasn't copywrited though so it was just some idiots kicking up a stink oover nothing. One interesting fact about copywriting names though, is that here in england the copywrite office is in cardif, so there have been some rather confusing mistakes with welsh accents according to my brother (who studdied law)l. One of them concerned a pub chain who wanted to call themselves A good ferkin Ferkin being an old english word for keg of beer. I'll let you work out just how this sounds in a welsh accent ;D, needless to say their not called that. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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If I might make a suggestion for the title? I personaly think Angela's Quest sounds a little too generic. Might I suggest Angela Summers and the Treasures of Montezuma? Or just plain Treasures of the Aztecs. We could still kep the Aztec connection, which I've always thought was kinda neat. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi Josh, No. They were merely requesting that I stop using the Montezuma's Return title, and to change the game some. If you read the original posts on this issue that will explain what is happening without me having to rehash it all again. josh wrote: hey, is someone trying to sue thomas because he made the montezuma's game? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Tell me Thomas, as I'm not clear on this, I understand a bit about naming and trade marks, but, what would happen, if, for example, a company invented a game, and another company invented practically the same game, but just with a different name, can you copyright a concept? Example, a person makes a game where they fly around in space visiting planets, and calls it Planet Visitor, and then someone else makes a game with exactly the same concept and calls it Galaxy Traveler, would the first company have a case? I've also wondered this in screen readers, say now JAWS have made a set of keystrokes for their screen reader, what would happen if another company started up, making a screen reader that used the exact keystrokes as JAWS, would JAWS have a case? Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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One artical I read on he subject said that as long as the names of original characters were different, and so long as the second game didn't use the same source code as the first, it would be absolutely fine. Beware the Gru! Dark. - Original Message - From: ari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 8:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Tell me Thomas, as I'm not clear on this, I understand a bit about naming and trade marks, but, what would happen, if, for example, a company invented a game, and another company invented practically the same game, but just with a different name, can you copyright a concept? Example, a person makes a game where they fly around in space visiting planets, and calls it Planet Visitor, and then someone else makes a game with exactly the same concept and calls it Galaxy Traveler, would the first company have a case? I've also wondered this in screen readers, say now JAWS have made a set of keystrokes for their screen reader, what would happen if another company started up, making a screen reader that used the exact keystrokes as JAWS, would JAWS have a case? Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 11:54 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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How 'bout Wealth of Empires? Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi Charles, Could be. Under the circumstances changing the name might be advisable, but it is too early to say one way or another. I am definitly going to use a name change as a consession if it comes to that.. Something like Angela's Quest or something along those lines would be fine. It is still the name game just getting away from entangling trade marks or copyrights. Charles Rivard wrote: Hmm. Maybe another name change rather than a game modification? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That reminds me more of an economic stratogy game Bryan, I'd suggest something like Montizuma's treasures or montizuma's labyrinth or how about, - montizuma's avengence ;D. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement How 'bout Wealth of Empires? Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi Charles, Could be. Under the circumstances changing the name might be advisable, but it is too early to say one way or another. I am definitly going to use a name change as a consession if it comes to that.. Something like Angela's Quest or something along those lines would be fine. It is still the name game just getting away from entangling trade marks or copyrights. Charles Rivard wrote: Hmm. Maybe another name change rather than a game modification? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 11:54 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well it couldn't be Age of Empires because that's already a game, albeit a totally inaccessible one for us. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement That reminds me more of an economic stratogy game Bryan, I'd suggest something like Montizuma's treasures or montizuma's labyrinth or how about, - montizuma's avengence ;D. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement How 'bout Wealth of Empires? Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi Charles, Could be. Under the circumstances changing the name might be advisable, but it is too early to say one way or another. I am definitly going to use a name change as a consession if it comes to that.. Something like Angela's Quest or something along those lines would be fine. It is still the name game just getting away from entangling trade marks or copyrights. Charles Rivard wrote: Hmm. Maybe another name change rather than a game modification? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 11:54 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Andy, After I got that email yesterday I got online and did some research into Utopia's Montezuma's Return game. There really is not a lot of points of similarity to sue for copyright infringement. My game was suppose to be a clone of Montezuma's Revenge, not Montezuma's Return, so the story lines, levels, and even the lead character is different. However, they are well in their legal rights to ask me to take the Montezuma's Return name off the product, and I will certainly do so if that is necessary. As it looks right now that is probably going to happen anyway. Andy Smith wrote: I agree with ya, this is crazy. What similarities are in the two games? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Kuvvosh, Very true, but even so I did use their name and if that is the only copyright issue they have I'll simply change the name of the game. Perhaps I will make a couple of other changes here and there to make the game less like Montezuma's Revenge/Return to keep from being accused again of copyright and trade mark issues with the game in the future. Kuvvosh wrote: I'm sorry to say, But the game that Thomas is making can't really be a copy right issue, as far, as if he using public domain sounds and the fact he is not using any graphical parts of the original game. I'm sure all the levels are not even anywhere near the real game. Heck the coding of the game is probley so far off from the original as well. I really think the person that claiming copy right issue is stupid. Just my two cents. Kuvvosh --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Dark, I honestly don't think much is going to come of this for the same reasons you mentioned below. The game they have is no longer on sale, the company is bust, and game companies have used similar themes and characters all the time. In this case my game is quite a bit different than there games so they have no real case. Besides at this point I think right now I am just being questioned. They want to know what I am doing with the title, find out how similar my game is, and they have not threatened me at all. Dark wrote: Hello tom. It actually makes me rather angry how petty people can be over copyrights. copyright laws were afterall created to protect good ideas and concepts, not to nit pick. this game is plainly not on sale anymore (a quick google for Montizuma's return brought up nothing), so this fool is just making trouble for the sake of making trouble. While he might have a case over the name montizuma's return, the actual game content I should think would be none of his business. even in the mainstream, there have been cases of games which have been so similar in theme as to be incredibly suspect, the original streets of rage and final fight for example, which had incredibly similar gameplay, virtually the same setting with similar levels, - streets, park, bar, finishing in a pent house, - Axle and Cody even dressed in the same geens and T shirt, both had blond hair and wrist bands, and even had the same punch combo. therefore if absolutely necessary make a name change, but I don't see why you would have to alter any game content just to panda to this petty minded individual. rolling skulls, snakes, spiders and all the other monti elements have afterall appeared in many other games, Ghosts and goblins had rolling skulls for example, pitfall had snakes pits and ropes etc. there are even cases of small companies producing commercial retro themed games with almost identical gameplay and game elements (even down to same main character and names), as original games, - I've come across several examples of boulderdash and loadrunner in this line, myself. I hope this isn't going to have to cause you a lot of trouble, sinse obviously you have much better and worth while things to do. Beware the Sue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well yes I mean what's in a name anyway. Like I say this may do the blind friendly games community some good anyway. Like I say this doesn't actually have to be a bad thing. A funny way to go about it am sure but it could well be that they are just blatently cureous about the game but haven't outright said so yet. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 10 February 2008 14:48 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi Dark, Again correct. I am not so worried about the enemies and main character. I personally think the only point of conflict is the games name which I will agree to change if that is what they want me to do. Dark wrote: Only I think if it used the same character names to which you also had copywrite, Eg, if this other Montizumas return had a doctor angela summers. rolling skulls, snakes and other enemies are so generic, that if they were copywrite, not many games at all would be able to use them even if the names were similar, - Eg, both the mainstream games Tetris and columns, which have amazingly similar gameplay and were on rival systems at the time have combo point bonuses, refer to their falling matchable objects as blocks, have a speed mode etc. some games have even taken it further, streetfighter had a wandering martial artist called Ryu, Art of fighting had Ryo. Heck! even names can be mucked about with, the game primal rage even had a character called sauron, - though pronounced soron, not in the traditional tolkeen way. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 10/02/2008 12:21 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi William, Well, keep in mind I didn't conceive the idea of writing Montezuma's Revenge or Montezuma's Return to begin with. That was James North's idea to recreate Montezuma's Revenge. I merely took over the project, and this is the results of using a name of a game that already existed. william lomas wrote: hi so why was this game even concieved int he first place if it has so many copyright issues what's the point in even developin it any more if loads of version exists already --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Dark, Again correct. I am not so worried about the enemies and main character. I personally think the only point of conflict is the games name which I will agree to change if that is what they want me to do. Dark wrote: Only I think if it used the same character names to which you also had copywrite, Eg, if this other Montizumas return had a doctor angela summers. rolling skulls, snakes and other enemies are so generic, that if they were copywrite, not many games at all would be able to use them even if the names were similar, - Eg, both the mainstream games Tetris and columns, which have amazingly similar gameplay and were on rival systems at the time have combo point bonuses, refer to their falling matchable objects as blocks, have a speed mode etc. some games have even taken it further, streetfighter had a wandering martial artist called Ryu, Art of fighting had Ryo. Heck! even names can be mucked about with, the game primal rage even had a character called sauron, - though pronounced soron, not in the traditional tolkeen way. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'd love to see what james would have done, with his customer atitude he had he probably would have told them to go run and jump lol. Sorry I just don't like the guy at all. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 10 February 2008 14:45 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi William, Well, keep in mind I didn't conceive the idea of writing Montezuma's Revenge or Montezuma's Return to begin with. That was James North's idea to recreate Montezuma's Revenge. I merely took over the project, and this is the results of using a name of a game that already existed. william lomas wrote: hi so why was this game even concieved int he first place if it has so many copyright issues what's the point in even developin it any more if loads of version exists already --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 10/02/2008 12:21 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Honestly I don't see how this could benefit us. Let's face it. If mainstream devs weren't going to try to make their games more blind friendly years and years ago, there's nothing to say they are going to start now. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Darren Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Well yes I mean what's in a name anyway. Like I say this may do the blind friendly games community some good anyway. Like I say this doesn't actually have to be a bad thing. A funny way to go about it am sure but it could well be that they are just blatently cureous about the game but haven't outright said so yet. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 10 February 2008 14:48 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi Dark, Again correct. I am not so worried about the enemies and main character. I personally think the only point of conflict is the games name which I will agree to change if that is what they want me to do. Dark wrote: Only I think if it used the same character names to which you also had copywrite, Eg, if this other Montizumas return had a doctor angela summers. rolling skulls, snakes and other enemies are so generic, that if they were copywrite, not many games at all would be able to use them even if the names were similar, - Eg, both the mainstream games Tetris and columns, which have amazingly similar gameplay and were on rival systems at the time have combo point bonuses, refer to their falling matchable objects as blocks, have a speed mode etc. some games have even taken it further, streetfighter had a wandering martial artist called Ryu, Art of fighting had Ryo. Heck! even names can be mucked about with, the game primal rage even had a character called sauron, - though pronounced soron, not in the traditional tolkeen way. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 10/02/2008 12:21 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That's what I've said in other threads. There was a huge debate on audiogames.net about making an audio game in the style of Metroid. Sure Metroid, Samus and other characters and items in those games couldn't be used, but the idea of a bounty hunter with a ccybernetic suit exploring a huge planet to stop a band of space pirates could be used. Any number of games, shows and movies use that plotline in one form or another, though not necessarily in the same way. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi Ari, Actually, that kind of cloning the same game under a new title happens all the time with game companies. For example, there are several Asteroid clones out there like Maelstrom, Vectoroids, SDLRoids, Astroblaster, etc. Apparently they are all legal because they can't copyright an idea of a spaceship blowing up asteroids or mediors in space. All they really can hold onto is the trade marked name Asteroids. As I have mentioned so many times on list Lara Croft and the Tomb Raider games are a spin off from Indiana Jones. Lucas can't sue for copyright damages, because the idea of an archaeologist hunting for treasure is a concept, an idea, to broad to copyright. Since the characters is different, the name of the games is different, there is no copyright infringement even though everyone knows where the idea of the games came from. ari wrote: Tell me Thomas, as I'm not clear on this, I understand a bit about naming and trade marks, but, what would happen, if, for example, a company invented a game, and another company invented practically the same game, but just with a different name, can you copyright a concept? Example, a person makes a game where they fly around in space visiting planets, and calls it Planet Visitor, and then someone else makes a game with exactly the same concept and calls it Galaxy Traveler, would the first company have a case? I've also wondered this in screen readers, say now JAWS have made a set of keystrokes for their screen reader, what would happen if another company started up, making a screen reader that used the exact keystrokes as JAWS, would JAWS have a case? Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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And you missed the most important point there William. Those loads of versions aren't accessible to us. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:44 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi William, Well, keep in mind I didn't conceive the idea of writing Montezuma's Revenge or Montezuma's Return to begin with. That was James North's idea to recreate Montezuma's Revenge. I merely took over the project, and this is the results of using a name of a game that already existed. william lomas wrote: hi so why was this game even concieved int he first place if it has so many copyright issues what's the point in even developin it any more if loads of version exists already --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, I don't know what good can come from this, but I am certain this will blow over in a few days. I am not treating this as a big deal. Like you I think they are just cureous more than anything else. Darren Harris wrote: Well yes I mean what's in a name anyway. Like I say this may do the blind friendly games community some good anyway. Like I say this doesn't actually have to be a bad thing. A funny way to go about it am sure but it could well be that they are just blatently cureous about the game but haven't outright said so yet. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Thomas, Well, a chance meeting is a chance meeting. If someone outside the blind community saw this game, if they are thinking for example to make a law sute against you, then in order to properly make a case against you they would logically have to look at the game, both in terms of how it's played, code etc so on and so forth. I'm not saying they will go down that road, but in order to make a case logically or I would have thought, someone would have to play the game, a programmer look at the code etc to see what the viability of such a case would be. Not that they would say such things at the start logically there's no reason why they should. Now, lets assume for a moment that someone has done as I have already outlined. To look at the game from as many angles as they can. They will see what you've done and how you have done it. They may even be able to play the game without the use of eyes and I don't mean that patronisingly. It's very difficult initially when you are used to playing games by looking, to switch over to pure audio. Something a total from birth could not understand. In principle yes but not in reality. So think of it like this. They could just as easily let this whole thing go. But at the very least you've got a bit of exposure. At worced they could make a case against you. But as you have said you doubt very much that they will. At best? You've earn't some outside curiosity which may well help to spread the word with regards to making games accessible for blind people. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 10 February 2008 16:27 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi, I don't know what good can come from this, but I am certain this will blow over in a few days. I am not treating this as a big deal. Like you I think they are just cureous more than anything else. Darren Harris wrote: Well yes I mean what's in a name anyway. Like I say this may do the blind friendly games community some good anyway. Like I say this doesn't actually have to be a bad thing. A funny way to go about it am sure but it could well be that they are just blatently cureous about the game but haven't outright said so yet. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 10/02/2008 12:21 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'd stil personally like the astech connection, and maybe even the connection to Emperor Montizuma as well. sinse afterall, there have been several empires through history and it'd be nice to speciicaally say to which the game refers. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Well it couldn't be Age of Empires because that's already a game, albeit a totally inaccessible one for us. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement That reminds me more of an economic stratogy game Bryan, I'd suggest something like Montizuma's treasures or montizuma's labyrinth or how about, - montizuma's avengence ;D. Beware the Grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:25 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement How 'bout Wealth of Empires? Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi Charles, Could be. Under the circumstances changing the name might be advisable, but it is too early to say one way or another. I am definitly going to use a name change as a consession if it comes to that.. Something like Angela's Quest or something along those lines would be fine. It is still the name game just getting away from entangling trade marks or copyrights. Charles Rivard wrote: Hmm. Maybe another name change rather than a game modification? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 11:54 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 11:54 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Though as I said in that thread Bryan, one nice thing is that we don't have to borrow a game's plot entirely just to use similar elements, so are not streight jacketed by the original. Why would the hero of an audio metroid-alike game have to be a bounty hunter? or female? or fight space pirates, though could just be exploring a mysterious alien planet, or fighting off an army, or carrying out missions or a heck of a lot of other things. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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H, why would it be a good thing? all I can see it as is an annoyence, - though in fairness this does seem to come up a lot, - look at the way the world wrestling federation is now world wrestling entertainment because the world wildlife fund complained about them using the letters wwf as their name. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi tom. well, I hope they see reason, especially if their game is significantly different. Even if it isn't though, unless they have a main character with the same name (highly unlikely), I don't think you should change anything more than the name if necessary for the reasons I mentioned. Besides, as far as I understand game copyrights, it's the source code and graphics that are copywrited along with the name, not the concept. I remember reading on one site that you could quite happily create a clone of a game with the same concept, game elements and even similar graphics and sound so long as you did it all from scratch not ripping things from the original. The fact that this other montizumas return was not an accessible game and thus vastly different in nature to begin with makes such arguements even more pointless. Hopefully though, this can be got around with as litle fuss as possible, and at worst another name change. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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They were the WWF for years. It was kinda like the stink some people raised about the second Lord of the Rings movie being called Two Towers. After September 11 they got all uptight because they said it referenced the twin towers of the World Trade Center. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement H, why would it be a good thing? all I can see it as is an annoyence, - though in fairness this does seem to come up a lot, - look at the way the world wrestling federation is now world wrestling entertainment because the world wildlife fund complained about them using the letters wwf as their name. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Yes well they were just stupid fools. If they want to change the name of a book that has been around for a good few decades just because of that well they need their brains blasting. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Sent: 10 February 2008 23:32 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement They were the WWF for years. It was kinda like the stink some people raised about the second Lord of the Rings movie being called Two Towers. After September 11 they got all uptight because they said it referenced the twin towers of the World Trade Center. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement H, why would it be a good thing? all I can see it as is an annoyence, - though in fairness this does seem to come up a lot, - look at the way the world wrestling federation is now world wrestling entertainment because the world wildlife fund complained about them using the letters wwf as their name. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 10/02/2008 12:21 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
hey tom, what is the email of the guy who emailed you about the copyright? - Original Message - From: Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hello tom. It actually makes me rather angry how petty people can be over copyrights. copyright laws were afterall created to protect good ideas and concepts, not to nit pick. this game is plainly not on sale anymore (a quick google for Montizuma's return brought up nothing), so this fool is just making trouble for the sake of making trouble. While he might have a case over the name montizuma's return, the actual game content I should think would be none of his business. even in the mainstream, there have been cases of games which have been so similar in theme as to be incredibly suspect, the original streets of rage and final fight for example, which had incredibly similar gameplay, virtually the same setting with similar levels, - streets, park, bar, finishing in a pent house, - Axle and Cody even dressed in the same geens and T shirt, both had blond hair and wrist bands, and even had the same punch combo. therefore if absolutely necessary make a name change, but I don't see why you would have to alter any game content just to panda to this petty minded individual. rolling skulls, snakes, spiders and all the other monti elements have afterall appeared in many other games, Ghosts and goblins had rolling skulls for example, pitfall had snakes pits and ropes etc. there are even cases of small companies producing commercial retro themed games with almost identical gameplay and game elements (even down to same main character and names), as original games, - I've come across several examples of boulderdash and loadrunner in this line, myself. I hope this isn't going to have to cause you a lot of trouble, sinse obviously you have much better and worth while things to do. Beware the Sue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
what about if you just keep the motezuma's return, but lets say you purposely misspell it. call it something like montezoomas retern. look at that spelling with your arrow keys guys. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi Andy, After I got that email yesterday I got online and did some research into Utopia's Montezuma's Return game. There really is not a lot of points of similarity to sue for copyright infringement. My game was suppose to be a clone of Montezuma's Revenge, not Montezuma's Return, so the story lines, levels, and even the lead character is different. However, they are well in their legal rights to ask me to take the Montezuma's Return name off the product, and I will certainly do so if that is necessary. As it looks right now that is probably going to happen anyway. Andy Smith wrote: I agree with ya, this is crazy. What similarities are in the two games? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
Those people knew absolutely nothing about the Lord of the Rings, though, as evidenced by their complaints. It would be like describing someone as carrying an Arkansas toothpick on one hip and a Bowie knife on the other. Anyone who knows anything about the old West knows that they are the same thing. The people who complain about the title of the second movie should be asked what the title of the second of the 3 books is. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement They were the WWF for years. It was kinda like the stink some people raised about the second Lord of the Rings movie being called Two Towers. After September 11 they got all uptight because they said it referenced the twin towers of the World Trade Center. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement H, why would it be a good thing? all I can see it as is an annoyence, - though in fairness this does seem to come up a lot, - look at the way the world wrestling federation is now world wrestling entertainment because the world wildlife fund complained about them using the letters wwf as their name. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
Hi Dark, Absolutely true. In fact, one of the hardest things about Monte was I was being pulled in two different directions as far as game design went. I had the game purests who wanted absolute authentic Monte. I had younger gamers going ad this, this, and this. Well, now that I have just agreed to change the games title, and drop some of the more specific Monte-like elements I think I am not quite as strait jacketed by the original, and should have some free license to do something creative with it Add in some skeleton warriors, falling boulders, and make it more along a TR theme in a side-scroller type play. Dark wrote: Though as I said in that thread Bryan, one nice thing is that we don't have to borrow a game's plot entirely just to use similar elements, so are not streight jacketed by the original. Why would the hero of an audio metroid-alike game have to be a bounty hunter? or female? or fight space pirates, though could just be exploring a mysterious alien planet, or fighting off an army, or carrying out missions or a heck of a lot of other things. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
I still say it's a bunch of krap that you have to change your game to make someone who hasn't clue about audio games happy. if it were me I would refuse. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi Dark, Actually, their Montezuma's Return game was a full fledged 3D FPS shooter. The character was a guy, and the story was quite a lot different. Never-the-less I agreed to remove the name from my game, which they were cool with, and I am going to modify the levels some so they aren't exactly clones of Montezuma's Revenge. Dark wrote: Hi tom. well, I hope they see reason, especially if their game is significantly different. Even if it isn't though, unless they have a main character with the same name (highly unlikely), I don't think you should change anything more than the name if necessary for the reasons I mentioned. Besides, as far as I understand game copyrights, it's the source code and graphics that are copywrited along with the name, not the concept. I remember reading on one site that you could quite happily create a clone of a game with the same concept, game elements and even similar graphics and sound so long as you did it all from scratch not ripping things from the original. The fact that this other montizumas return was not an accessible game and thus vastly different in nature to begin with makes such arguements even more pointless. Hopefully though, this can be got around with as litle fuss as possible, and at worst another name change. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
hi thomas, why don't they download and play your game before making acuzations? - Original Message - From: darren harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi Thomas, Well, a chance meeting is a chance meeting. If someone outside the blind community saw this game, if they are thinking for example to make a law sute against you, then in order to properly make a case against you they would logically have to look at the game, both in terms of how it's played, code etc so on and so forth. I'm not saying they will go down that road, but in order to make a case logically or I would have thought, someone would have to play the game, a programmer look at the code etc to see what the viability of such a case would be. Not that they would say such things at the start logically there's no reason why they should. Now, lets assume for a moment that someone has done as I have already outlined. To look at the game from as many angles as they can. They will see what you've done and how you have done it. They may even be able to play the game without the use of eyes and I don't mean that patronisingly. It's very difficult initially when you are used to playing games by looking, to switch over to pure audio. Something a total from birth could not understand. In principle yes but not in reality. So think of it like this. They could just as easily let this whole thing go. But at the very least you've got a bit of exposure. At worced they could make a case against you. But as you have said you doubt very much that they will. At best? You've earn't some outside curiosity which may well help to spread the word with regards to making games accessible for blind people. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: 10 February 2008 16:27 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi, I don't know what good can come from this, but I am certain this will blow over in a few days. I am not treating this as a big deal. Like you I think they are just cureous more than anything else. Darren Harris wrote: Well yes I mean what's in a name anyway. Like I say this may do the blind friendly games community some good anyway. Like I say this doesn't actually have to be a bad thing. A funny way to go about it am sure but it could well be that they are just blatently cureous about the game but haven't outright said so yet. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.2/1270 - Release Date: 10/02/2008 12:21 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
Exactly. Te book was the Two Towers long before 9/11 even happened. And what would he have called the movie anyway? The Two Cilindrical Domiciles? Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Ron Schamerhorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 5:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement All I have to say about the towers is that some folks are just way too up tight. - Original Message - From: Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement They were the WWF for years. It was kinda like the stink some people raised about the second Lord of the Rings movie being called Two Towers. After September 11 they got all uptight because they said it referenced the twin towers of the World Trade Center. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
Don't do it and get charged up the wazoo for not doing something as changing the name? I personally like Angela's Quest. Really gives it a good feel. On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 20:18:57 -0500, josh wrote: I still say it's a bunch of krap that you have to change your game to make someone who hasn't clue about audio games happy. if it were me I would refuse. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi Dark, Actually, their Montezuma's Return game was a full fledged 3D FPS shooter. The character was a guy, and the story was quite a lot different. Never-the-less I agreed to remove the name from my game, which they were cool with, and I am going to modify the levels some so they aren't exactly clones of Montezuma's Revenge. Dark wrote: Hi tom. well, I hope they see reason, especially if their game is significantly different. Even if it isn't though, unless they have a main character with the same name (highly unlikely), I don't think you should change anything more than the name if necessary for the reasons I mentioned. Besides, as far as I understand game copyrights, it's the source code and graphics that are copywrited along with the name, not the concept. I remember reading on one site that you could quite happily create a clone of a game with the same concept, game elements and even similar graphics and sound so long as you did it all from scratch not ripping things from the original. The fact that this other montizumas return was not an accessible game and thus vastly different in nature to begin with makes such arguements even more pointless. Hopefully though, this can be got around with as litle fuss as possible, and at worst another name change. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
No, but he does have to change the name again. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: josh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement hey, is someone trying to sue thomas because he made the montezuma's game? - Original Message - From: Darren Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement It's got nothing to do with blind people. Stop using that as a point of contention. They are drawing points to the fact that they are saying that the game titles are similar. They won't care nore will a court about the fact that thomas is making it accessible for blind people to play. I like the accessible games and the like but you can't call a fowl play card if someone in the end pulls you up on it. This goes right back to the point we were talking about the other day ref piracy and copywrites. I do hope that thomas can complete his game though because I like what I have read so far with regards to content. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ari Sent: 09 February 2008 23:20 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement really Thomas, feel very sorry for you about this, can't stand bloody evil people like that, these big bullying corporate-types who try and find anything to sue over to just make money, that's the one thing I find not great about America, the culture over there of people just wanting to find problems and suing all the time. It's absolutely disgusting, I mean, how could anyone even confuse them with you, you are making a game for blind people, they're not even bothering to do that anyway. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 11:54 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
they can't sue you for what you don't have. if you have it they can sue you. - Original Message - From: Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement And possibly get sued for money he just doesn't have? Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: josh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement I still say it's a bunch of krap that you have to change your game to make someone who hasn't clue about audio games happy. if it were me I would refuse. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi Dark, Actually, their Montezuma's Return game was a full fledged 3D FPS shooter. The character was a guy, and the story was quite a lot different. Never-the-less I agreed to remove the name from my game, which they were cool with, and I am going to modify the levels some so they aren't exactly clones of Montezuma's Revenge. Dark wrote: Hi tom. well, I hope they see reason, especially if their game is significantly different. Even if it isn't though, unless they have a main character with the same name (highly unlikely), I don't think you should change anything more than the name if necessary for the reasons I mentioned. Besides, as far as I understand game copyrights, it's the source code and graphics that are copywrited along with the name, not the concept. I remember reading on one site that you could quite happily create a clone of a game with the same concept, game elements and even similar graphics and sound so long as you did it all from scratch not ripping things from the original. The fact that this other montizumas return was not an accessible game and thus vastly different in nature to begin with makes such arguements even more pointless. Hopefully though, this can be got around with as litle fuss as possible, and at worst another name change. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
A mainstream dev isn't going to care about that. If they perceive something as being a violation to their copyright and they're strict enough about it they'll find a way to deal with it, usually one that means the rest of us can't enjoy the game. Besides, now that Thmas has agreed to change the name of the game he can't very well back out on that. Besides, he seems like too much of an honorable person to do that. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: josh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement they can't sue you for what you don't have. if you have it they can sue you. - Original Message - From: Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement And possibly get sued for money he just doesn't have? Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: josh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement I still say it's a bunch of krap that you have to change your game to make someone who hasn't clue about audio games happy. if it were me I would refuse. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi Dark, Actually, their Montezuma's Return game was a full fledged 3D FPS shooter. The character was a guy, and the story was quite a lot different. Never-the-less I agreed to remove the name from my game, which they were cool with, and I am going to modify the levels some so they aren't exactly clones of Montezuma's Revenge. Dark wrote: Hi tom. well, I hope they see reason, especially if their game is significantly different. Even if it isn't though, unless they have a main character with the same name (highly unlikely), I don't think you should change anything more than the name if necessary for the reasons I mentioned. Besides, as far as I understand game copyrights, it's the source code and graphics that are copywrited along with the name, not the concept. I remember reading on one site that you could quite happily create a clone of a game with the same concept, game elements and even similar graphics and sound so long as you did it all from scratch not ripping things from the original. The fact that this other montizumas return was not an accessible game and thus vastly different in nature to begin with makes such arguements even more pointless. Hopefully though, this can be got around with as litle fuss as possible, and at worst another name change. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
yep true - Original Message - From: Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement A mainstream dev isn't going to care about that. If they perceive something as being a violation to their copyright and they're strict enough about it they'll find a way to deal with it, usually one that means the rest of us can't enjoy the game. Besides, now that Thmas has agreed to change the name of the game he can't very well back out on that. Besides, he seems like too much of an honorable person to do that. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: josh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement they can't sue you for what you don't have. if you have it they can sue you. - Original Message - From: Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement And possibly get sued for money he just doesn't have? Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: josh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement I still say it's a bunch of krap that you have to change your game to make someone who hasn't clue about audio games happy. if it were me I would refuse. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi Dark, Actually, their Montezuma's Return game was a full fledged 3D FPS shooter. The character was a guy, and the story was quite a lot different. Never-the-less I agreed to remove the name from my game, which they were cool with, and I am going to modify the levels some so they aren't exactly clones of Montezuma's Revenge. Dark wrote: Hi tom. well, I hope they see reason, especially if their game is significantly different. Even if it isn't though, unless they have a main character with the same name (highly unlikely), I don't think you should change anything more than the name if necessary for the reasons I mentioned. Besides, as far as I understand game copyrights, it's the source code and graphics that are copywrited along with the name, not the concept. I remember reading on one site that you could quite happily create a clone of a game with the same concept, game elements and even similar graphics and sound so long as you did it all from scratch not ripping things from the original. The fact that this other montizumas return was not an accessible game and thus vastly different in nature to begin with makes such arguements even more pointless. Hopefully though, this can be got around with as litle fuss as possible, and at worst another name change. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
Apparently, you don't understand. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: josh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement I still say it's a bunch of krap that you have to change your game to make someone who hasn't clue about audio games happy. if it were me I would refuse. - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 7:24 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi Dark, Actually, their Montezuma's Return game was a full fledged 3D FPS shooter. The character was a guy, and the story was quite a lot different. Never-the-less I agreed to remove the name from my game, which they were cool with, and I am going to modify the levels some so they aren't exactly clones of Montezuma's Revenge. Dark wrote: Hi tom. well, I hope they see reason, especially if their game is significantly different. Even if it isn't though, unless they have a main character with the same name (highly unlikely), I don't think you should change anything more than the name if necessary for the reasons I mentioned. Besides, as far as I understand game copyrights, it's the source code and graphics that are copywrited along with the name, not the concept. I remember reading on one site that you could quite happily create a clone of a game with the same concept, game elements and even similar graphics and sound so long as you did it all from scratch not ripping things from the original. The fact that this other montizumas return was not an accessible game and thus vastly different in nature to begin with makes such arguements even more pointless. Hopefully though, this can be got around with as litle fuss as possible, and at worst another name change. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
What would be the point in that from Thomas's perspective? Zero income for all the time and work? Somehow, I don't think so. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: josh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement suppose for example you were not planning to sell the game and were to release it as free? then could they still sue you? - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:14 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi Charles, Yes, exactly. I said as much at the end of my original post. There is no reason to go pushing panic buttons yet. I merely want to inform or advise everyone that I have been officially contacted/notified, and I am dealing with an unexpected situation. I also don't want to release Beta 10 with some unexpected changes. Wo dude where did that skeliton warrior come from, or why did you name it to Angela's Quest. I believe in letting my customers know what I know it when I know it, or at least inform them of possible changes ahead. Charles Rivard wrote: Before this goes too far, did anyone notice that there's no need to panic? I figure that it can be reasonably worked out in, hopefully, a friendly way. If a game previously existed with the same name, and the game was basically like the USA Games product, and the developer of the older game is no longer selling the game, maybe something as simple as a disclaimer can be added in the instructions or license agreement or something. Who knows. For now, Thomas is merely letting us all know what's come up, and I appreciate it. Before we start cutting someone else down, or before we use blindness as a reason why he should be allowed to produce a game for blind people that someone else has had the chance to and did not, let's let the chips fall where they may, let them work things out, and then we can post whatever, as long as we do it reasonably? Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 2/9/2008 11:54 AM --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
Hi Josh, No. They were merely requesting that I stop using the Montezuma's Return title, and to change the game some. If you read the original posts on this issue that will explain what is happening without me having to rehash it all again. josh wrote: hey, is someone trying to sue thomas because he made the montezuma's game? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
Hi Josh, Assuming I were to keep something in that theme, which I am not, I'd probably just use the guys proper name. His name was actually Moctezuma or something like that. Down through history his name got changed to Montezuma and has been that way ever since. Though, I know enough history montezuma wasn't that Emperor's real name. josh wrote: what about if you just keep the motezuma's return, but lets say you purposely misspell it. call it something like montezoomas retern. look at that spelling with your arrow keys guys. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
The two high-rise buildings! Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
Hi Josh, No offense, man, but how old are you? Your responces and reaction to this is a bit immature and unrealistic. If you get angry and argue you will lose the respect of the very people you are trying to convince to let you use a copyright, to nogotiate with you, or to just leave you alone. Here is a few facts you might want to think about before continuing to talk about things you haven't experienced first hand. One, to date Montezuma's Return has made about $1500. While I am happy I got that much out of the game it isn't enough money to higher a lawyer and begin battling over stupid copyright issues. In fact, that is pocket change for most lawyers and even most companies. Two, since I have made only around $1500 off of this game I don't see any reason to spend everything I earned on the game trying to have a long drawn out legal battle. I wrote the game for my enjoyment, and not to go to court over. Three, the person I was in contact with was very nice about the situation throughout. We talked it over, no threats were made, and I agreed to simply remove the title of the game. Four, if you really really really must have Montezuma's Return you have about 24 hours before I take down the monte web page and download and begin replacing it with something else. While Monte Beta 9 is the last official version of the product it does contain 6 levels to play, and it does use the same keys as Angela's Quest uses. josh wrote: I still say it's a bunch of krap that you have to change your game to make someone who hasn't clue about audio games happy. if it were me I would refuse. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
Hello gamers, Earlier today I received an email from someone who worked for Utopia Technologies, the developers of a game called Montezuma's Return for the PC, and he was asking several pointed questions about conflicts of interest, copyrights, and that sort of thing. USA Games is currently discussing the matter with this individual, and we hope we won't have too many issues with this guy and Utopia Technologies regarding our own Montezuma's Return game. While there are some major differences we aren't sure if that will settle the matter or not. However, if we should encounter any copyright issues with these people, find conflicts of interest, etc we will probably have to make changes in our own game to resolve those issues. I don't think there is any reason to begin pushing panic buttons yet, but I did want to inform all of you that USA Games is being asked some hard questions, and the guy we spoke to felt our game was far too similar to Utopia Technologies game. If that is the case we will make whatever changes is necessary to resolve any haggling with these people. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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really Thomas, feel very sorry for you about this, can't stand bloody evil people like that, these big bullying corporate-types who try and find anything to sue over to just make money, that's the one thing I find not great about America, the culture over there of people just wanting to find problems and suing all the time. It's absolutely disgusting, I mean, how could anyone even confuse them with you, you are making a game for blind people, they're not even bothering to do that anyway. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well whilst I do agree with that to a point, on the other hand, copywrite is copywrite. You never know, this may even do some good. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Sent: 09 February 2008 23:28 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement It's not just Americans though. It's people the world over. Though I personally agree with trying to avoid opyright infringement where possible i also know that it's nearly impossible for devs to make a game for the blind without stepping on at least one person's shoes. But there's still that strong part of me that feels it's their own fault anyways for not considering the blind gaming ommunity years ago. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: ari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement really Thomas, feel very sorry for you about this, can't stand bloody evil people like that, these big bullying corporate-types who try and find anything to sue over to just make money, that's the one thing I find not great about America, the culture over there of people just wanting to find problems and suing all the time. It's absolutely disgusting, I mean, how could anyone even confuse them with you, you are making a game for blind people, they're not even bothering to do that anyway. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 11:54 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It's got nothing to do with blind people. Stop using that as a point of contention. They are drawing points to the fact that they are saying that the game titles are similar. They won't care nore will a court about the fact that thomas is making it accessible for blind people to play. I like the accessible games and the like but you can't call a fowl play card if someone in the end pulls you up on it. This goes right back to the point we were talking about the other day ref piracy and copywrites. I do hope that thomas can complete his game though because I like what I have read so far with regards to content. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ari Sent: 09 February 2008 23:20 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement really Thomas, feel very sorry for you about this, can't stand bloody evil people like that, these big bullying corporate-types who try and find anything to sue over to just make money, that's the one thing I find not great about America, the culture over there of people just wanting to find problems and suing all the time. It's absolutely disgusting, I mean, how could anyone even confuse them with you, you are making a game for blind people, they're not even bothering to do that anyway. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 11:54 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Thomas, There are sites saying this company doesn't even exist anymore, so how can they trademark the game like that? If they're not even existing, my guess is could this just be sour grapes and an excuse to try and get something by threatening? If they don't even exist anymore, how can they even have a case so petty, there's someone there with too much time on his hands. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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It's not just Americans though. It's people the world over. Though I personally agree with trying to avoid opyright infringement where possible i also know that it's nearly impossible for devs to make a game for the blind without stepping on at least one person's shoes. But there's still that strong part of me that feels it's their own fault anyways for not considering the blind gaming ommunity years ago. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: ari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement really Thomas, feel very sorry for you about this, can't stand bloody evil people like that, these big bullying corporate-types who try and find anything to sue over to just make money, that's the one thing I find not great about America, the culture over there of people just wanting to find problems and suing all the time. It's absolutely disgusting, I mean, how could anyone even confuse them with you, you are making a game for blind people, they're not even bothering to do that anyway. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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But the copywrite still exists even if the company doesn't. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ari Sent: 09 February 2008 23:28 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Thomas, There are sites saying this company doesn't even exist anymore, so how can they trademark the game like that? If they're not even existing, my guess is could this just be sour grapes and an excuse to try and get something by threatening? If they don't even exist anymore, how can they even have a case so petty, there's someone there with too much time on his hands. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 11:54 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hmm. Maybe another name change rather than a game modification? --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 3:11 PM Subject: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hello gamers, Earlier today I received an email from someone who worked for Utopia Technologies, the developers of a game called Montezuma's Return for the PC, and he was asking several pointed questions about conflicts of interest, copyrights, and that sort of thing. USA Games is currently discussing the matter with this individual, and we hope we won't have too many issues with this guy and Utopia Technologies regarding our own Montezuma's Return game. While there are some major differences we aren't sure if that will settle the matter or not. However, if we should encounter any copyright issues with these people, find conflicts of interest, etc we will probably have to make changes in our own game to resolve those issues. I don't think there is any reason to begin pushing panic buttons yet, but I did want to inform all of you that USA Games is being asked some hard questions, and the guy we spoke to felt our game was far too similar to Utopia Technologies game. If that is the case we will make whatever changes is necessary to resolve any haggling with these people. Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Before this goes too far, did anyone notice that there's no need to panic? I figure that it can be reasonably worked out in, hopefully, a friendly way. If a game previously existed with the same name, and the game was basically like the USA Games product, and the developer of the older game is no longer selling the game, maybe something as simple as a disclaimer can be added in the instructions or license agreement or something. Who knows. For now, Thomas is merely letting us all know what's come up, and I appreciate it. Before we start cutting someone else down, or before we use blindness as a reason why he should be allowed to produce a game for blind people that someone else has had the chance to and did not, let's let the chips fall where they may, let them work things out, and then we can post whatever, as long as we do it reasonably? Thanks. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: Darren Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement It's got nothing to do with blind people. Stop using that as a point of contention. They are drawing points to the fact that they are saying that the game titles are similar. They won't care nore will a court about the fact that thomas is making it accessible for blind people to play. I like the accessible games and the like but you can't call a fowl play card if someone in the end pulls you up on it. This goes right back to the point we were talking about the other day ref piracy and copywrites. I do hope that thomas can complete his game though because I like what I have read so far with regards to content. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ari Sent: 09 February 2008 23:20 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement really Thomas, feel very sorry for you about this, can't stand bloody evil people like that, these big bullying corporate-types who try and find anything to sue over to just make money, that's the one thing I find not great about America, the culture over there of people just wanting to find problems and suing all the time. It's absolutely disgusting, I mean, how could anyone even confuse them with you, you are making a game for blind people, they're not even bothering to do that anyway. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 11:54 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Well yes like I say you never know this may even do our lot some favours in the long run. It's certainly got someone elses attention which doesn't actually have to be a bad thing. On the outset it looks bad but it doesn't actually have to be. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: 10 February 2008 02:06 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Before this goes too far, did anyone notice that there's no need to panic? I figure that it can be reasonably worked out in, hopefully, a friendly way. If a game previously existed with the same name, and the game was basically like the USA Games product, and the developer of the older game is no longer selling the game, maybe something as simple as a disclaimer can be added in the instructions or license agreement or something. Who knows. For now, Thomas is merely letting us all know what's come up, and I appreciate it. Before we start cutting someone else down, or before we use blindness as a reason why he should be allowed to produce a game for blind people that someone else has had the chance to and did not, let's let the chips fall where they may, let them work things out, and then we can post whatever, as long as we do it reasonably? Thanks. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: Darren Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement It's got nothing to do with blind people. Stop using that as a point of contention. They are drawing points to the fact that they are saying that the game titles are similar. They won't care nore will a court about the fact that thomas is making it accessible for blind people to play. I like the accessible games and the like but you can't call a fowl play card if someone in the end pulls you up on it. This goes right back to the point we were talking about the other day ref piracy and copywrites. I do hope that thomas can complete his game though because I like what I have read so far with regards to content. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ari Sent: 09 February 2008 23:20 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement really Thomas, feel very sorry for you about this, can't stand bloody evil people like that, these big bullying corporate-types who try and find anything to sue over to just make money, that's the one thing I find not great about America, the culture over there of people just wanting to find problems and suing all the time. It's absolutely disgusting, I mean, how could anyone even confuse them with you, you are making a game for blind people, they're not even bothering to do that anyway. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 11:54 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 11:54 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement
Hi Ari, For the record the person I was emailing today didn't say anything about suing me. At this point all he has done is ask me a lot of questions about conflicts of interests, how I obtained the copyrights to Montezuma's Return, how similar my game is to the Utopia title, etc. I am hoping this is just some confusion on his part. I did explain that my game is an accessible game, made for blind and low vision users, and while it is similar to Montezuma's Revenge it is also different. I am hoping those diferences and the fact it is not a video game, per say, they will just leave me alone. Though, after this little run in I am strongly thinking about changing the name of the game again. While I like the name I have for the game I would rather it not come up in search engines under Montezuma's Return which is a trade mark of another company. As for suing it is a sad fact people are sue happy over here in the USA. When a woman can order hot coffee, spill it on herself, and then sue McDonald's for selling her hot coffee and win you know something is wrong with the legal system. I heard of a case involving a lawyer who payed for a pack of cigars, insured them for fire damage, smoked them, and then sued the insurance company for not paying him after his cigars were smoked and won. My point is that suing over here is often rediculous, but is a part of life. ari wrote: really Thomas, feel very sorry for you about this, can't stand bloody evil people like that, these big bullying corporate-types who try and find anything to sue over to just make money, that's the one thing I find not great about America, the culture over there of people just wanting to find problems and suing all the time. It's absolutely disgusting, I mean, how could anyone even confuse them with you, you are making a game for blind people, they're not even bothering to do that anyway. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Bryan and all, Unfortunately, big corperations and even some smaller corperations don't see it exactly the same way. If it wasn't for laws like Section 508 software accessibility would still be worse than it is today. Do to Section 508 a lot more companies are considering accessibility more than they use to, but Section 508 doesn't apply to some applications like games, software produced before Section 508, and there are probably a lot of other loop holes to use. When it comes to game copyrights it is true it is very tough not to step on some companies toes because a lot of us just want to create a game we already know or wish we could play but can't. Unfortunately, it is a huge question of how the law would decide accessibility vs copyright infringement. Bryan wrote: It's not just Americans though. It's people the world over. Though I personally agree with trying to avoid copyright infringement where possible i also know that it's nearly impossible for devs to make a game for the blind without stepping on at least one person's shoes. But there's still that strong part of me that feels it's their own fault anyways for not considering the blind gaming community years ago. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That depends at least partially on the other guy though, how willing he is to listen and work with Thomas to find an easy solution. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Before this goes too far, did anyone notice that there's no need to panic? I figure that it can be reasonably worked out in, hopefully, a friendly way. If a game previously existed with the same name, and the game was basically like the USA Games product, and the developer of the older game is no longer selling the game, maybe something as simple as a disclaimer can be added in the instructions or license agreement or something. Who knows. For now, Thomas is merely letting us all know what's come up, and I appreciate it. Before we start cutting someone else down, or before we use blindness as a reason why he should be allowed to produce a game for blind people that someone else has had the chance to and did not, let's let the chips fall where they may, let them work things out, and then we can post whatever, as long as we do it reasonably? Thanks. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: Darren Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement It's got nothing to do with blind people. Stop using that as a point of contention. They are drawing points to the fact that they are saying that the game titles are similar. They won't care nore will a court about the fact that thomas is making it accessible for blind people to play. I like the accessible games and the like but you can't call a fowl play card if someone in the end pulls you up on it. This goes right back to the point we were talking about the other day ref piracy and copywrites. I do hope that thomas can complete his game though because I like what I have read so far with regards to content. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ari Sent: 09 February 2008 23:20 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement really Thomas, feel very sorry for you about this, can't stand bloody evil people like that, these big bullying corporate-types who try and find anything to sue over to just make money, that's the one thing I find not great about America, the culture over there of people just wanting to find problems and suing all the time. It's absolutely disgusting, I mean, how could anyone even confuse them with you, you are making a game for blind people, they're not even bothering to do that anyway. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 11:54 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL
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Games we'd like to play. Tom Ward's USA Games Interactive. Home of Angela Summers and the Temple of Montezuma. In this fast action, classic side-scroller, you Are Angela Summers, a daring treasure hunter, willing to risk copyright infringement to find and recover the secret treasures of Emperor Montezuma In this demo you will be able to explore dark and eerie under ground temples searching for treasures, trying to overcome such creatures as rolling skulls, giant spiders, and annoying lawyers. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, I can assure you in one form or another the game will be completed. It is just a question of how the final product will be, and under what name it will be sold under. Instead of bouncing and rolling skulls maybe I can use sword wielding skelitons. Perhaps I can add this or that to the game or game levels that will make it different from the way it was intended originally. Darren Harris wrote: It's got nothing to do with blind people. Stop using that as a point of contention. They are drawing points to the fact that they are saying that the game titles are similar. They won't care nore will a court about the fact that thomas is making it accessible for blind people to play. I like the accessible games and the like but you can't call a fowl play card if someone in the end pulls you up on it. This goes right back to the point we were talking about the other day ref piracy and copywrites. I do hope that thomas can complete his game though because I like what I have read so far with regards to content. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I agree with ya, this is crazy. What similarities are in the two games? On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 16:27:36 -0700, Bryan wrote: It's not just Americans though. It's people the world over. Though I personally agree with trying to avoid opyright infringement where possible i also know that it's nearly impossible for devs to make a game for the blind without stepping on at least one person's shoes. But there's still that strong part of me that feels it's their own fault anyways for not considering the blind gaming ommunity years ago. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: ari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement really Thomas, feel very sorry for you about this, can't stand bloody evil people like that, these big bullying corporate-types who try and find anything to sue over to just make money, that's the one thing I find not great about America, the culture over there of people just wanting to find problems and suing all the time. It's absolutely disgusting, I mean, how could anyone even confuse them with you, you are making a game for blind people, they're not even bothering to do that anyway. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Oh my god someone actually did that Someone told me about that coffee thing but I didn't believe it. Oh my god, people really are crazy... On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 19:22:47 -0500, Thomas Ward wrote: Hi Ari, For the record the person I was emailing today didn't say anything about suing me. At this point all he has done is ask me a lot of questions about conflicts of interests, how I obtained the copyrights to Montezuma's Return, how similar my game is to the Utopia title, etc. I am hoping this is just some confusion on his part. I did explain that my game is an accessible game, made for blind and low vision users, and while it is similar to Montezuma's Revenge it is also different. I am hoping those diferences and the fact it is not a video game, per say, they will just leave me alone. Though, after this little run in I am strongly thinking about changing the name of the game again. While I like the name I have for the game I would rather it not come up in search engines under Montezuma's Return which is a trade mark of another company. As for suing it is a sad fact people are sue happy over here in the USA. When a woman can order hot coffee, spill it on herself, and then sue McDonald's for selling her hot coffee and win you know something is wrong with the legal system. I heard of a case involving a lawyer who payed for a pack of cigars, insured them for fire damage, smoked them, and then sued the insurance company for not paying him after his cigars were smoked and won. My point is that suing over here is often rediculous, but is a part of life. ari wrote: really Thomas, feel very sorry for you about this, can't stand bloody evil people like that, these big bullying corporate-types who try and find anything to sue over to just make money, that's the one thing I find not great about America, the culture over there of people just wanting to find problems and suing all the time. It's absolutely disgusting, I mean, how could anyone even confuse them with you, you are making a game for blind people, they're not even bothering to do that anyway. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Darren, Correct. The way the U.S. copyright system is set up copyrights will remain the property of a company or individual long after they are discontinued or dead. That is why it is so tricky for an accessible game developer to just come out with a game like Tomb Raider, Star Wars, etc and be legal. Darren Harris wrote: But the copywrite still exists even if the company doesn't. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Ari, Yes, it is true that Utopia Technologies no longer is in existance as a company. However, that doesn't matter according to U.S. copyright law. A copyright can be held by a company or individual for the life of that person or company plus an additional amount of years. Either way they still retain the trade marks and copyrights for their Montezuma's Return game, and will do so for a good many years yet. That is just how well protected trade marks and copyrights are in the U.S.A. Strictly legally speaking, the company, or an officer of the former company, can request that USA Games change aspects of our game that conflicts with their copyright holdings. For example, I could be asked to change the name of the game, or change some element/elements in the game that they feel is a conflict of interest. ari wrote: Thomas, There are sites saying this company doesn't even exist anymore, so how can they trademark the game like that? If they're not even existing, my guess is could this just be sour grapes and an excuse to try and get something by threatening? If they don't even exist anymore, how can they even have a case so petty, there's someone there with too much time on his hands. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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And, for now, time will tell, so let's wait. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: Bryan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement That depends at least partially on the other guy though, how willing he is to listen and work with Thomas to find an easy solution. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Before this goes too far, did anyone notice that there's no need to panic? I figure that it can be reasonably worked out in, hopefully, a friendly way. If a game previously existed with the same name, and the game was basically like the USA Games product, and the developer of the older game is no longer selling the game, maybe something as simple as a disclaimer can be added in the instructions or license agreement or something. Who knows. For now, Thomas is merely letting us all know what's come up, and I appreciate it. Before we start cutting someone else down, or before we use blindness as a reason why he should be allowed to produce a game for blind people that someone else has had the chance to and did not, let's let the chips fall where they may, let them work things out, and then we can post whatever, as long as we do it reasonably? Thanks. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: Darren Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Gamers Discussion list' gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement It's got nothing to do with blind people. Stop using that as a point of contention. They are drawing points to the fact that they are saying that the game titles are similar. They won't care nore will a court about the fact that thomas is making it accessible for blind people to play. I like the accessible games and the like but you can't call a fowl play card if someone in the end pulls you up on it. This goes right back to the point we were talking about the other day ref piracy and copywrites. I do hope that thomas can complete his game though because I like what I have read so far with regards to content. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ari Sent: 09 February 2008 23:20 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement really Thomas, feel very sorry for you about this, can't stand bloody evil people like that, these big bullying corporate-types who try and find anything to sue over to just make money, that's the one thing I find not great about America, the culture over there of people just wanting to find problems and suing all the time. It's absolutely disgusting, I mean, how could anyone even confuse them with you, you are making a game for blind people, they're not even bothering to do that anyway. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 11:54 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E
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Lol! Good one Phil! On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 19:46:36 -0500, Phil Vlasak wrote: Games we'd like to play. Tom Ward's USA Games Interactive. Home of Angela Summers and the Temple of Montezuma. In this fast action, classic side-scroller, you Are Angela Summers, a daring treasure hunter, willing to risk copyright infringement to find and recover the secret treasures of Emperor Montezuma In this demo you will be able to explore dark and eerie under ground temples searching for treasures, trying to overcome such creatures as rolling skulls, giant spiders, and annoying lawyers. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Phil, Hahahaha. As usual you have good humor. Phil Vlasak wrote: Games we'd like to play. Tom Ward's USA Games Interactive. Home of Angela Summers and the Temple of Montezuma. In this fast action, classic side-scroller, you Are Angela Summers, a daring treasure hunter, willing to risk copyright infringement to find and recover the secret treasures of Emperor Montezuma In this demo you will be able to explore dark and eerie under ground temples searching for treasures, trying to overcome such creatures as rolling skulls, giant spiders, and annoying lawyers. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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heheheheheeh, love it! - Original Message - From: Thomas Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi Phil, Hahahaha. As usual you have good humor. Phil Vlasak wrote: Games we'd like to play. Tom Ward's USA Games Interactive. Home of Angela Summers and the Temple of Montezuma. In this fast action, classic side-scroller, you Are Angela Summers, a daring treasure hunter, willing to risk copyright infringement to find and recover the secret treasures of Emperor Montezuma In this demo you will be able to explore dark and eerie under ground temples searching for treasures, trying to overcome such creatures as rolling skulls, giant spiders, and annoying lawyers. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Charles, Could be. Under the circumstances changing the name might be advisable, but it is too early to say one way or another. I am definitly going to use a name change as a consession if it comes to that.. Something like Angela's Quest or something along those lines would be fine. It is still the name game just getting away from entangling trade marks or copyrights. Charles Rivard wrote: Hmm. Maybe another name change rather than a game modification? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi Charles, Yes, exactly. I said as much at the end of my original post. There is no reason to go pushing panic buttons yet. I merely want to inform or advise everyone that I have been officially contacted/notified, and I am dealing with an unexpected situation. I also don't want to release Beta 10 with some unexpected changes. Wo dude where did that skeliton warrior come from, or why did you name it to Angela's Quest. I believe in letting my customers know what I know it when I know it, or at least inform them of possible changes ahead. Charles Rivard wrote: Before this goes too far, did anyone notice that there's no need to panic? I figure that it can be reasonably worked out in, hopefully, a friendly way. If a game previously existed with the same name, and the game was basically like the USA Games product, and the developer of the older game is no longer selling the game, maybe something as simple as a disclaimer can be added in the instructions or license agreement or something. Who knows. For now, Thomas is merely letting us all know what's come up, and I appreciate it. Before we start cutting someone else down, or before we use blindness as a reason why he should be allowed to produce a game for blind people that someone else has had the chance to and did not, let's let the chips fall where they may, let them work things out, and then we can post whatever, as long as we do it reasonably? Thanks. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, True, but I don't really think there is much room for fighting. Montezuma's Return, the Utopia Technologies version, was released in 1998, and that company is out of business. The game is no longer for sale, and perhaps that is reason for hope. At the very least perhaps they will be satisfied if I change the name of the game, and make something miner like that. i am still awaiting for news. Bryan wrote: That depends at least partially on the other guy though, how willing he is to listen and work with Thomas to find an easy solution. Time is an illusion, lunchtime doubly so. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I'm sorry to say, But the game that Thomas is making can't really be a copy right issue, as far, as if he using public domain sounds and the fact he is not using any graphical parts of the original game. I'm sure all the levels are not even anywhere near the real game. Heck the coding of the game is probley so far off from the original as well. I really think the person that claiming copy right issue is stupid. Just my two cents. Kuvvosh -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 6:54 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hi, I can assure you in one form or another the game will be completed. It is just a question of how the final product will be, and under what name it will be sold under. Instead of bouncing and rolling skulls maybe I can use sword wielding skelitons. Perhaps I can add this or that to the game or game levels that will make it different from the way it was intended originally. Darren Harris wrote: It's got nothing to do with blind people. Stop using that as a point of contention. They are drawing points to the fact that they are saying that the game titles are similar. They won't care nore will a court about the fact that thomas is making it accessible for blind people to play. I like the accessible games and the like but you can't call a fowl play card if someone in the end pulls you up on it. This goes right back to the point we were talking about the other day ref piracy and copywrites. I do hope that thomas can complete his game though because I like what I have read so far with regards to content. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Now, that sure didn't take long to come up with, did it? Dang! It was quick. Are those lawyers the first bugs in the game? (grin) --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: Phil Vlasak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Games we'd like to play. Tom Ward's USA Games Interactive. Home of Angela Summers and the Temple of Montezuma. In this fast action, classic side-scroller, you Are Angela Summers, a daring treasure hunter, willing to risk copyright infringement to find and recover the secret treasures of Emperor Montezuma In this demo you will be able to explore dark and eerie under ground temples searching for treasures, trying to overcome such creatures as rolling skulls, giant spiders, and annoying lawyers. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hello tom. It actually makes me rather angry how petty people can be over copyrights. copyright laws were afterall created to protect good ideas and concepts, not to nit pick. this game is plainly not on sale anymore (a quick google for Montizuma's return brought up nothing), so this fool is just making trouble for the sake of making trouble. While he might have a case over the name montizuma's return, the actual game content I should think would be none of his business. even in the mainstream, there have been cases of games which have been so similar in theme as to be incredibly suspect, the original streets of rage and final fight for example, which had incredibly similar gameplay, virtually the same setting with similar levels, - streets, park, bar, finishing in a pent house, - Axle and Cody even dressed in the same geens and T shirt, both had blond hair and wrist bands, and even had the same punch combo. therefore if absolutely necessary make a name change, but I don't see why you would have to alter any game content just to panda to this petty minded individual. rolling skulls, snakes, spiders and all the other monti elements have afterall appeared in many other games, Ghosts and goblins had rolling skulls for example, pitfall had snakes pits and ropes etc. there are even cases of small companies producing commercial retro themed games with almost identical gameplay and game elements (even down to same main character and names), as original games, - I've come across several examples of boulderdash and loadrunner in this line, myself. I hope this isn't going to have to cause you a lot of trouble, sinse obviously you have much better and worth while things to do. Beware the Sue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I would think that if a game was created that has the same name as a game I have the copyright to, it would be my business as to the newly created game's content. I would get together with this game's creator and work something out. Hopefully, this will be the case. --- If you don't stand behind our troops, please, feel free ... to stand in front of them! - Original Message - From: Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Hello tom. It actually makes me rather angry how petty people can be over copyrights. copyright laws were afterall created to protect good ideas and concepts, not to nit pick. this game is plainly not on sale anymore (a quick google for Montizuma's return brought up nothing), so this fool is just making trouble for the sake of making trouble. While he might have a case over the name montizuma's return, the actual game content I should think would be none of his business. even in the mainstream, there have been cases of games which have been so similar in theme as to be incredibly suspect, the original streets of rage and final fight for example, which had incredibly similar gameplay, virtually the same setting with similar levels, - streets, park, bar, finishing in a pent house, - Axle and Cody even dressed in the same geens and T shirt, both had blond hair and wrist bands, and even had the same punch combo. therefore if absolutely necessary make a name change, but I don't see why you would have to alter any game content just to panda to this petty minded individual. rolling skulls, snakes, spiders and all the other monti elements have afterall appeared in many other games, Ghosts and goblins had rolling skulls for example, pitfall had snakes pits and ropes etc. there are even cases of small companies producing commercial retro themed games with almost identical gameplay and game elements (even down to same main character and names), as original games, - I've come across several examples of boulderdash and loadrunner in this line, myself. I hope this isn't going to have to cause you a lot of trouble, sinse obviously you have much better and worth while things to do. Beware the Sue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi so why was this game even concieved int he first place if it has so many copyright issues what's the point in even developin it any more if loads of version exists already On 9 Feb 2008, at 22:54, Darren Harris wrote: But the copywrite still exists even if the company doesn't. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:gamers- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ari Sent: 09 February 2008 23:28 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Thomas, There are sites saying this company doesn't even exist anymore, so how can they trademark the game like that? If they're not even existing, my guess is could this just be sour grapes and an excuse to try and get something by threatening? If they don't even exist anymore, how can they even have a case so petty, there's someone there with too much time on his hands. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.0/1268 - Release Date: 09/02/2008 11:54 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Only I think if it used the same character names to which you also had copywrite, Eg, if this other Montizumas return had a doctor angela summers. rolling skulls, snakes and other enemies are so generic, that if they were copywrite, not many games at all would be able to use them even if the names were similar, - Eg, both the mainstream games Tetris and columns, which have amazingly similar gameplay and were on rival systems at the time have combo point bonuses, refer to their falling matchable objects as blocks, have a speed mode etc. some games have even taken it further, streetfighter had a wandering martial artist called Ryu, Art of fighting had Ryo. Heck! even names can be mucked about with, the game primal rage even had a character called sauron, - though pronounced soron, not in the traditional tolkeen way. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Another example. When you think about Mortal Kombat and Raiden. Some other game had that name in it but they spelt it differently and for a while copyright was a problem. - Original Message - From: Dark [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Important Montezuma's Return announcement Only I think if it used the same character names to which you also had copywrite, Eg, if this other Montizumas return had a doctor angela summers. rolling skulls, snakes and other enemies are so generic, that if they were copywrite, not many games at all would be able to use them even if the names were similar, - Eg, both the mainstream games Tetris and columns, which have amazingly similar gameplay and were on rival systems at the time have combo point bonuses, refer to their falling matchable objects as blocks, have a speed mode etc. some games have even taken it further, streetfighter had a wandering martial artist called Ryu, Art of fighting had Ryo. Heck! even names can be mucked about with, the game primal rage even had a character called sauron, - though pronounced soron, not in the traditional tolkeen way. Beware the Grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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well here I learned in law lectures at tech that you can sue here but the most you can get is something like 40, I am not sure if its correct now, but you can sue all you want but you won't get it, there is a limit here you can sue for. At 01:22 p.m. 10/02/2008, you wrote: Hi Ari, For the record the person I was emailing today didn't say anything about suing me. At this point all he has done is ask me a lot of questions about conflicts of interests, how I obtained the copyrights to Montezuma's Return, how similar my game is to the Utopia title, etc. I am hoping this is just some confusion on his part. I did explain that my game is an accessible game, made for blind and low vision users, and while it is similar to Montezuma's Revenge it is also different. I am hoping those diferences and the fact it is not a video game, per say, they will just leave me alone. Though, after this little run in I am strongly thinking about changing the name of the game again. While I like the name I have for the game I would rather it not come up in search engines under Montezuma's Return which is a trade mark of another company. As for suing it is a sad fact people are sue happy over here in the USA. When a woman can order hot coffee, spill it on herself, and then sue McDonald's for selling her hot coffee and win you know something is wrong with the legal system. I heard of a case involving a lawyer who payed for a pack of cigars, insured them for fire damage, smoked them, and then sued the insurance company for not paying him after his cigars were smoked and won. My point is that suing over here is often rediculous, but is a part of life. ari wrote: really Thomas, feel very sorry for you about this, can't stand bloody evil people like that, these big bullying corporate-types who try and find anything to sue over to just make money, that's the one thing I find not great about America, the culture over there of people just wanting to find problems and suing all the time. It's absolutely disgusting, I mean, how could anyone even confuse them with you, you are making a game for blind people, they're not even bothering to do that anyway. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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well we just change the name again tom. If the name clashes and clearly it does, now we know we can just change it again. At 12:20 p.m. 10/02/2008, you wrote: really Thomas, feel very sorry for you about this, can't stand bloody evil people like that, these big bullying corporate-types who try and find anything to sue over to just make money, that's the one thing I find not great about America, the culture over there of people just wanting to find problems and suing all the time. It's absolutely disgusting, I mean, how could anyone even confuse them with you, you are making a game for blind people, they're not even bothering to do that anyway. Ari --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
