Re: [Audyssey] Rogue games.
Hi Michael, I apologize, but you have lost me. What games specifically are you asking about as I haven't a clue what you are asking me about? As far as Entombed goes it is a roguelike roll playing game.That's a particular style and type of roll playing game for the PC. While there are several mainstream games most are not accessible for a blind player. Cheers! On 11/21/11, michael barnes c...@samobile.net wrote: Hello, Thomas. Are these games accessible for the blind? I was kinda looking for a rogue game that is like entomb. From what I have read it said that entomb is a rogue game. Is that correct about entomb? Thanks. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Rogue games.
Hi Tom. I was at music school so missed the start of this thread, but I believe Michael was asking about roguelikes. For those who don't know, Roguelikes are games based on an old game called rogue. these games were rpgs with a lot of random generation of monsters, terrain etc,and usually very harsh mechanics around death. represented the dungeon as a bunch of ascii characters. So your character would be an at sign, and the greaterthan was used to represent down stair cases. I've heard people have played these with a braille display, though even then you'd need to do a lot of moving around the screen given the average braille display length is about 40 cells in a streight line, and roguelike displays can to 120 x 180 in screen display and feature very complex layouts, meaning lots of reiewing would be neede even then. All in all until a full screen tactile isplay shows up I'm not sure on access on these, indeed the only roguelike I've had success playing has been angband and some of it's many varients, and that because of a combination of easily visible graphic tyles, a very useful big bright yellow box as in game curser, and Supernova's good reading of the status display, but manifestly that would not be accessible to everyone. On the plus side, there are a couple of very good attempts to port some of the rogue mechanics into other games. Entombed being the most obvious, but there is also kerkerkruip (check the audiogames.net db for more info), which has text and room descriptions like an interactive fiction game and indeed is written in glulx format, but has tactical turn based combat, a randomly created dungeon with random treasures, a harsh difficulty and death mechanics. Kerkerkruip is actually very awsome and I'd advise everyone to give it a try. I've also heard of a couple of others in development, indeed there was the unfortunately named choose your own dungeon (given that it was an if game not a cyoa book at all), which was trialed on audiogames.net a while ago, but entombed and kerkerkruip are the most successfull. Actually I'm amazed more people haven't attempted to write similar, sinse more games, especially rpg games with somewhat random content would be awsome. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Rogue games.
I had no problem playing nethack under dos using artic technologies business vision as my screen reader. Unfortunately, I've had very little luck playing these sorts of games under other operating systems, because of the way cursor positioning is handled. I've been after apple for years to allow same column up/down when in terminal, instead of forcing the cursor back to the start of the line each time you go up/down. If this was an option, then nethack could easily be played under osx, but alass, my pleas have fallen on deaf ears. It would help considerably with compileing programs too, because generally, the error is marked with a ^ (carrot) symbol, and it's always put just after (or under) the error in question, and not having direct up/down capability makes it difficult to tell exactly where the errors are. Since I used to use a dos terminal to my linux boxes, I also had no trouble playing nethack under linux, but since I've switched to osx/linux terminal programs, the aforem entioned issues crop up, and make it nearly impossible to play them now, so it's kind of sad really. On Nov 22, 2011, at 12:40 AM, dark wrote: Hi michael. roguelike games to give them their ful name are games that use ascii characters as graphics on the screen. So this makes them nearly impossible to play with a screen reader but probably playable if you've got a braill display. I've had success with Angband and some of it's versions, but that's mostly due to low vision access and a set of large game tyles made available in combination with hal to read the game status messages. Angband does have some handy features and even a few access aides, such as a curser you can wander around the screen and jump to nearest monster etc, which even now shows the distance and direction from you. if the game had a directional look command it might even be playable without the graphics (ascii or otherwise), but I don't think this has been added yet. For details see http://rephial.org/ but bare in mind these aren't the most accessible sorts of games available simply because of the use of ascii graphics. i understand people who own braille displays have had success, but sinse I don't have one, other than Angband with the low vision issue, the other roguelikes I've tried such as Adom nethack and dungeon have not worked out particularly well. There is an Angband port for Iphone I believe, but again, the lack of braille display may get in the way. As to rpgs, well the situaton is pretty much the same as when you last asked. Entombed, Airik, and lots of muds and brouser games. i suggest going and looking at the rpg and gamebooks catagories on audiogames.net for details of brouser games and also gamebooks which might fit the bill. Hth. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Rogue games.
Well this might be subjective. i found myself trying to tangle with ascii and depending on only status messages was really more trouble than fun, especially sinse a lot of the really nice Angband features of the highlighter curser, like the ability to list all on screen monsters with distance, and the ability to jump betwene monsters, treasure and interesting objects weren't in either game (as I said give Angband a directional look command and it'd nearly be playable with status messages alone). I probably ought to try again at some point to see if the curser in either game has been improved to the point of making life easier. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Rogue games.
Check out the variant of Angband called z+angband. The developer began putting in accessibility fixes which go some way towards making the variant playable. As for Entombed being a roguelike, I'd say rather that it is inspired by them. The UI is quite different and there are fewer features that differentiate dungeon levels. Not disrespecting Entombed, I'm still happily playing it quite regularly and hoping for updates. Chris Bartlett -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 3:37 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Rogue games. Well this might be subjective. i found myself trying to tangle with ascii and depending on only status messages was really more trouble than fun, especially sinse a lot of the really nice Angband features of the highlighter curser, like the ability to list all on screen monsters with distance, and the ability to jump betwene monsters, treasure and interesting objects weren't in either game (as I said give Angband a directional look command and it'd nearly be playable with status messages alone). I probably ought to try again at some point to see if the curser in either game has been improved to the point of making life easier. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Rogue games.
Hey, Christopher. Is this for the iPhone? If not is there a version for the iPhone or is there another game for the iPhone? Thanks for the info. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Rogue games.
No, Z+Angband is a windows game. Chris Bartlett -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of michael barnes Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 9:08 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Rogue games. Hey, Christopher. Is this for the iPhone? If not is there a version for the iPhone or is there another game for the iPhone? Thanks for the info. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] Rogue games.
Hey, all. I was wondering if there are any rogue games that accessible for the blind whether they was made for sighted people or not? I am also looking for some rpg's aswell. I would like to find out about these type of games for the iphone. Thanks. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Rogue games.
Hi Michael, By rogue games are you talking about roguelike roll playing games like Nethack, Angbang, and ADOM? If so you might start by seeing if there is an IPhone port of Nethack and Angbang available. I know they have various ports for Windows, Linux, and Mac and its possible the developers have started creating ports for the IPhone etc. Cheers! On 11/21/11, michael barnes c...@samobile.net wrote: Hey, all. I was wondering if there are any rogue games that accessible for the blind whether they was made for sighted people or not? I am also looking for some rpg's aswell. I would like to find out about these type of games for the iphone. Thanks. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Rogue games.
Hello, Thomas. Are these games accessible for the blind? I was kinda looking for a rogue game that is like entomb. From what I have read it said that entomb is a rogue game. Is that correct about entomb? Thanks. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Rogue games.
Hi michael. roguelike games to give them their ful name are games that use ascii characters as graphics on the screen. So this makes them nearly impossible to play with a screen reader but probably playable if you've got a braill display. I've had success with Angband and some of it's versions, but that's mostly due to low vision access and a set of large game tyles made available in combination with hal to read the game status messages. Angband does have some handy features and even a few access aides, such as a curser you can wander around the screen and jump to nearest monster etc, which even now shows the distance and direction from you. if the game had a directional look command it might even be playable without the graphics (ascii or otherwise), but I don't think this has been added yet. For details see http://rephial.org/ but bare in mind these aren't the most accessible sorts of games available simply because of the use of ascii graphics. i understand people who own braille displays have had success, but sinse I don't have one, other than Angband with the low vision issue, the other roguelikes I've tried such as Adom nethack and dungeon have not worked out particularly well. There is an Angband port for Iphone I believe, but again, the lack of braille display may get in the way. As to rpgs, well the situaton is pretty much the same as when you last asked. Entombed, Airik, and lots of muds and brouser games. i suggest going and looking at the rpg and gamebooks catagories on audiogames.net for details of brouser games and also gamebooks which might fit the bill. Hth. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Rogue games.
Hey, Dark. Thanks for the information about rogue games. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Rogue games.
Actually with JFW Nethack and ADOM are very playable. It does take some messing around with but works. - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Rogue games. Hi michael. roguelike games to give them their ful name are games that use ascii characters as graphics on the screen. So this makes them nearly impossible to play with a screen reader but probably playable if you've got a braill display. I've had success with Angband and some of it's versions, but that's mostly due to low vision access and a set of large game tyles made available in combination with hal to read the game status messages. Angband does have some handy features and even a few access aides, such as a curser you can wander around the screen and jump to nearest monster etc, which even now shows the distance and direction from you. if the game had a directional look command it might even be playable without the graphics (ascii or otherwise), but I don't think this has been added yet. For details see http://rephial.org/ but bare in mind these aren't the most accessible sorts of games available simply because of the use of ascii graphics. i understand people who own braille displays have had success, but sinse I don't have one, other than Angband with the low vision issue, the other roguelikes I've tried such as Adom nethack and dungeon have not worked out particularly well. There is an Angband port for Iphone I believe, but again, the lack of braille display may get in the way. As to rpgs, well the situaton is pretty much the same as when you last asked. Entombed, Airik, and lots of muds and brouser games. i suggest going and looking at the rpg and gamebooks catagories on audiogames.net for details of brouser games and also gamebooks which might fit the bill. Hth. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Rogue games.
Hi Michael How are you? In terms of role playing games for the IPhone, any of the Storm8 games are accessible, so Vampires live, pets live, Ningers, to name a few. If you find out about any other role playing games for the IPhone, please let me know as I am also interested. Hth Paula -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of michael barnes Sent: Tuesday, 22 November 2011 11:13 AM To: gamers@audyssey.org Subject: [Audyssey] Rogue games. Hey, all. I was wondering if there are any rogue games that accessible for the blind whether they was made for sighted people or not? I am also looking for some rpg's aswell. I would like to find out about these type of games for the iphone. Thanks. -- Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
