Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015
Hi Charles, How did you get the window keystrokes to not speak in JAWS? I'm currently using letters to navigate as my arrows are sluggish and seem to elicit JAWS's generic selected and blank messages when pressed in conjunction with control and shift. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2014 11:17 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 With the same voice as my SAPI speech, the Windows keystrokes such as control downarrow, and control left or right arrow are spoken as they usually are. I don't notice any jerkiness in ScanSoft Tom, though. I changed JAWS settings in a configuration that is named SOD.jcf and those Windows keystrokes are no longer spoken. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 Ooh, the plot thickens! If you get a chance Charles, it'd be interesting to see how Sapi set to the same voice performs for you. On 7/11/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: To me, the speech coming from JAWS 14 using ScanSoft Tom is not jerky at all. It may be so with other screen readers, but this one is just fine. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 Just taking a run through the demo. I love being able to play with my screen reader or Sapi, but the output to native screen readers could probably use some refinement. At the moment, the speech is very jerky, presumably because David is sending the exact same instructions to the various screen reader APIs that he is to trigger the recordings that make up the built in voice, so you'll get something like 1, hundred out of NVDA instead of a more natural sounding and productive 100. Where do I go to file this as a bug report? Does David monitor this place? Cheers Scott On 7/11/14, tim z200...@gmail.com wrote: You can find all that info from the GMA web site. At 09:28 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: Hi, I've missed this update. Has david made the game bigger? What are the real differences between this and the 1.2 version? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak Sent: 11 July 2014 14:15 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 Shades of Doom Beta version 20015: From David Greenwood on 7 July: Hi all, Fixed many of the problems mentioned such as the toilet that doesn't give up its ammo, or even give up its blob, the problem with the crate and several other things. They were all related. A few people asked to have the monster sounds in the sound help, but this does not seem to be necessary since all you need to do is press Control-M when you encounter a monster and its name is given. From 8 July: What would people think if instead of having a built-in voice, we use your choice of MS Sapi or your screen reader. In this way I can be sure of having a consistent, easily understood voice, since you have selected it yourself. Also, I can expand Shades of Doom and not worry about matching voice tamber, pitch, and volume. Voice actors have been suggested, but sometimes you lose track of them, or they might not be interested in continuing when you make changes at a later date. There is another reason. I need the speech to be flexible. For example, to be able to say someone's name, and to eventually translate all the speech to other languages. There is another issue. What about keyinterrupt? When Jaws, and maybe other screen readers are speaking, you press any key and it interrupts the current speech. You can miss important information that way, and you may not even know that you do. This does not happen with MS Sapi. Sod version 2.0.15 is ready for download. Lots of suggestions were included, and it can be played using the built-in voice, your screen reader, or MS Sapi. http://www.GMAGames.com/sod20015.exe As with all betas, backup any SOD data you do not want to lose. For example, the folder: c:\users\your name\documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 should be backed up. This name varies depending on the version of Windows. Other possibilities could be: c:\users\your name\my documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 or c:\documents and settings\your name\my documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 In the program folder there is a file called English.txt. For those who might
Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015
With the same voice as my SAPI speech, the Windows keystrokes such as control downarrow, and control left or right arrow are spoken as they usually are. I don't notice any jerkiness in ScanSoft Tom, though. I changed JAWS settings in a configuration that is named SOD.jcf and those Windows keystrokes are no longer spoken. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 Ooh, the plot thickens! If you get a chance Charles, it'd be interesting to see how Sapi set to the same voice performs for you. On 7/11/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: To me, the speech coming from JAWS 14 using ScanSoft Tom is not jerky at all. It may be so with other screen readers, but this one is just fine. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 Just taking a run through the demo. I love being able to play with my screen reader or Sapi, but the output to native screen readers could probably use some refinement. At the moment, the speech is very jerky, presumably because David is sending the exact same instructions to the various screen reader APIs that he is to trigger the recordings that make up the built in voice, so you'll get something like 1, hundred out of NVDA instead of a more natural sounding and productive 100. Where do I go to file this as a bug report? Does David monitor this place? Cheers Scott On 7/11/14, tim z200...@gmail.com wrote: You can find all that info from the GMA web site. At 09:28 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: Hi, I've missed this update. Has david made the game bigger? What are the real differences between this and the 1.2 version? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak Sent: 11 July 2014 14:15 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 Shades of Doom Beta version 20015: From David Greenwood on 7 July: Hi all, Fixed many of the problems mentioned such as the toilet that doesn't give up its ammo, or even give up its blob, the problem with the crate and several other things. They were all related. A few people asked to have the monster sounds in the sound help, but this does not seem to be necessary since all you need to do is press Control-M when you encounter a monster and its name is given. From 8 July: What would people think if instead of having a built-in voice, we use your choice of MS Sapi or your screen reader. In this way I can be sure of having a consistent, easily understood voice, since you have selected it yourself. Also, I can expand Shades of Doom and not worry about matching voice tamber, pitch, and volume. Voice actors have been suggested, but sometimes you lose track of them, or they might not be interested in continuing when you make changes at a later date. There is another reason. I need the speech to be flexible. For example, to be able to say someone's name, and to eventually translate all the speech to other languages. There is another issue. What about keyinterrupt? When Jaws, and maybe other screen readers are speaking, you press any key and it interrupts the current speech. You can miss important information that way, and you may not even know that you do. This does not happen with MS Sapi. Sod version 2.0.15 is ready for download. Lots of suggestions were included, and it can be played using the built-in voice, your screen reader, or MS Sapi. http://www.GMAGames.com/sod20015.exe As with all betas, backup any SOD data you do not want to lose. For example, the folder: c:\users\your name\documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 should be backed up. This name varies depending on the version of Windows. Other possibilities could be: c:\users\your name\my documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 or c:\documents and settings\your name\my documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 In the program folder there is a file called English.txt. For those who might be interested in translating the speech text to another language, you may be interested in this file. Of course you will need to set Speech in the options menu to MS Sapi or screen reader to take advantage of any changes. From Phil: To turn on your SAPI or Screen Reader voice, Play the game and after David says hit f1 for help, do that. Note the default built in voice will be used until you change it. After hitting f1 use up arro to get to options Then right arrow to open them, then up arrow two times to get to speech setting. To change it use the space
[Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015
Shades of Doom Beta version 20015: From David Greenwood on 7 July: Hi all, Fixed many of the problems mentioned such as the toilet that doesn't give up its ammo, or even give up its blob, the problem with the crate and several other things. They were all related. A few people asked to have the monster sounds in the sound help, but this does not seem to be necessary since all you need to do is press Control-M when you encounter a monster and its name is given. From 8 July: What would people think if instead of having a built-in voice, we use your choice of MS Sapi or your screen reader. In this way I can be sure of having a consistent, easily understood voice, since you have selected it yourself. Also, I can expand Shades of Doom and not worry about matching voice tamber, pitch, and volume. Voice actors have been suggested, but sometimes you lose track of them, or they might not be interested in continuing when you make changes at a later date. There is another reason. I need the speech to be flexible. For example, to be able to say someone's name, and to eventually translate all the speech to other languages. There is another issue. What about keyinterrupt? When Jaws, and maybe other screen readers are speaking, you press any key and it interrupts the current speech. You can miss important information that way, and you may not even know that you do. This does not happen with MS Sapi. Sod version 2.0.15 is ready for download. Lots of suggestions were included, and it can be played using the built-in voice, your screen reader, or MS Sapi. http://www.GMAGames.com/sod20015.exe As with all betas, backup any SOD data you do not want to lose. For example, the folder: c:\users\your name\documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 should be backed up. This name varies depending on the version of Windows. Other possibilities could be: c:\users\your name\my documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 or c:\documents and settings\your name\my documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 In the program folder there is a file called English.txt. For those who might be interested in translating the speech text to another language, you may be interested in this file. Of course you will need to set Speech in the options menu to MS Sapi or screen reader to take advantage of any changes. From Phil: To turn on your SAPI or Screen Reader voice, Play the game and after David says hit f1 for help, do that. Note the default built in voice will be used until you change it. After hitting f1 use up arro to get to options Then right arrow to open them, then up arrow two times to get to speech setting. To change it use the space bar When you have the correct setting hit down arrow to save settings and hit enter. If your computer doesn't allow changing files in c:\program files\Shades of Doom 2.0, the default location, You need to uninstall the game and install it in a different location, I would try, c:\users\YourName\downloads or c:\users\YourName\games If the folder doesn't exist, you need to create it. For those who want to use your SAPI voices in Shades of Doom, you need to pick the voice, volume and pitch in your Windows control panel. It is under Text to Speech. I adjusted my pitch from 50 percent to 75 percent which sounds better in the game. In Windows Vista, there is an apply button to hit first before leaving the TTS feature. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015
Hi, I've missed this update. Has david made the game bigger? What are the real differences between this and the 1.2 version? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak Sent: 11 July 2014 14:15 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 Shades of Doom Beta version 20015: From David Greenwood on 7 July: Hi all, Fixed many of the problems mentioned such as the toilet that doesn't give up its ammo, or even give up its blob, the problem with the crate and several other things. They were all related. A few people asked to have the monster sounds in the sound help, but this does not seem to be necessary since all you need to do is press Control-M when you encounter a monster and its name is given. From 8 July: What would people think if instead of having a built-in voice, we use your choice of MS Sapi or your screen reader. In this way I can be sure of having a consistent, easily understood voice, since you have selected it yourself. Also, I can expand Shades of Doom and not worry about matching voice tamber, pitch, and volume. Voice actors have been suggested, but sometimes you lose track of them, or they might not be interested in continuing when you make changes at a later date. There is another reason. I need the speech to be flexible. For example, to be able to say someone's name, and to eventually translate all the speech to other languages. There is another issue. What about keyinterrupt? When Jaws, and maybe other screen readers are speaking, you press any key and it interrupts the current speech. You can miss important information that way, and you may not even know that you do. This does not happen with MS Sapi. Sod version 2.0.15 is ready for download. Lots of suggestions were included, and it can be played using the built-in voice, your screen reader, or MS Sapi. http://www.GMAGames.com/sod20015.exe As with all betas, backup any SOD data you do not want to lose. For example, the folder: c:\users\your name\documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 should be backed up. This name varies depending on the version of Windows. Other possibilities could be: c:\users\your name\my documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 or c:\documents and settings\your name\my documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 In the program folder there is a file called English.txt. For those who might be interested in translating the speech text to another language, you may be interested in this file. Of course you will need to set Speech in the options menu to MS Sapi or screen reader to take advantage of any changes. From Phil: To turn on your SAPI or Screen Reader voice, Play the game and after David says hit f1 for help, do that. Note the default built in voice will be used until you change it. After hitting f1 use up arro to get to options Then right arrow to open them, then up arrow two times to get to speech setting. To change it use the space bar When you have the correct setting hit down arrow to save settings and hit enter. If your computer doesn't allow changing files in c:\program files\Shades of Doom 2.0, the default location, You need to uninstall the game and install it in a different location, I would try, c:\users\YourName\downloads or c:\users\YourName\games If the folder doesn't exist, you need to create it. For those who want to use your SAPI voices in Shades of Doom, you need to pick the voice, volume and pitch in your Windows control panel. It is under Text to Speech. I adjusted my pitch from 50 percent to 75 percent which sounds better in the game. In Windows Vista, there is an apply button to hit first before leaving the TTS feature. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015
You can find all that info from the GMA web site. At 09:28 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: Hi, I've missed this update. Has david made the game bigger? What are the real differences between this and the 1.2 version? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak Sent: 11 July 2014 14:15 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 Shades of Doom Beta version 20015: From David Greenwood on 7 July: Hi all, Fixed many of the problems mentioned such as the toilet that doesn't give up its ammo, or even give up its blob, the problem with the crate and several other things. They were all related. A few people asked to have the monster sounds in the sound help, but this does not seem to be necessary since all you need to do is press Control-M when you encounter a monster and its name is given. From 8 July: What would people think if instead of having a built-in voice, we use your choice of MS Sapi or your screen reader. In this way I can be sure of having a consistent, easily understood voice, since you have selected it yourself. Also, I can expand Shades of Doom and not worry about matching voice tamber, pitch, and volume. Voice actors have been suggested, but sometimes you lose track of them, or they might not be interested in continuing when you make changes at a later date. There is another reason. I need the speech to be flexible. For example, to be able to say someone's name, and to eventually translate all the speech to other languages. There is another issue. What about keyinterrupt? When Jaws, and maybe other screen readers are speaking, you press any key and it interrupts the current speech. You can miss important information that way, and you may not even know that you do. This does not happen with MS Sapi. Sod version 2.0.15 is ready for download. Lots of suggestions were included, and it can be played using the built-in voice, your screen reader, or MS Sapi. http://www.GMAGames.com/sod20015.exe As with all betas, backup any SOD data you do not want to lose. For example, the folder: c:\users\your name\documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 should be backed up. This name varies depending on the version of Windows. Other possibilities could be: c:\users\your name\my documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 or c:\documents and settings\your name\my documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 In the program folder there is a file called English.txt. For those who might be interested in translating the speech text to another language, you may be interested in this file. Of course you will need to set Speech in the options menu to MS Sapi or screen reader to take advantage of any changes. From Phil: To turn on your SAPI or Screen Reader voice, Play the game and after David says hit f1 for help, do that. Note the default built in voice will be used until you change it. After hitting f1 use up arro to get to options Then right arrow to open them, then up arrow two times to get to speech setting. To change it use the space bar When you have the correct setting hit down arrow to save settings and hit enter. If your computer doesn't allow changing files in c:\program files\Shades of Doom 2.0, the default location, You need to uninstall the game and install it in a different location, I would try, c:\users\YourName\downloads or c:\users\YourName\games If the folder doesn't exist, you need to create it. For those who want to use your SAPI voices in Shades of Doom, you need to pick the voice, volume and pitch in your Windows control panel. It is under Text to Speech. I adjusted my pitch from 50 percent to 75 percent which sounds better in the game. In Windows Vista, there is an apply button to hit first before leaving the TTS feature. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo
Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015
Just taking a run through the demo. I love being able to play with my screen reader or Sapi, but the output to native screen readers could probably use some refinement. At the moment, the speech is very jerky, presumably because David is sending the exact same instructions to the various screen reader APIs that he is to trigger the recordings that make up the built in voice, so you'll get something like 1, hundred out of NVDA instead of a more natural sounding and productive 100. Where do I go to file this as a bug report? Does David monitor this place? Cheers Scott On 7/11/14, tim z200...@gmail.com wrote: You can find all that info from the GMA web site. At 09:28 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: Hi, I've missed this update. Has david made the game bigger? What are the real differences between this and the 1.2 version? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak Sent: 11 July 2014 14:15 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 Shades of Doom Beta version 20015: From David Greenwood on 7 July: Hi all, Fixed many of the problems mentioned such as the toilet that doesn't give up its ammo, or even give up its blob, the problem with the crate and several other things. They were all related. A few people asked to have the monster sounds in the sound help, but this does not seem to be necessary since all you need to do is press Control-M when you encounter a monster and its name is given. From 8 July: What would people think if instead of having a built-in voice, we use your choice of MS Sapi or your screen reader. In this way I can be sure of having a consistent, easily understood voice, since you have selected it yourself. Also, I can expand Shades of Doom and not worry about matching voice tamber, pitch, and volume. Voice actors have been suggested, but sometimes you lose track of them, or they might not be interested in continuing when you make changes at a later date. There is another reason. I need the speech to be flexible. For example, to be able to say someone's name, and to eventually translate all the speech to other languages. There is another issue. What about keyinterrupt? When Jaws, and maybe other screen readers are speaking, you press any key and it interrupts the current speech. You can miss important information that way, and you may not even know that you do. This does not happen with MS Sapi. Sod version 2.0.15 is ready for download. Lots of suggestions were included, and it can be played using the built-in voice, your screen reader, or MS Sapi. http://www.GMAGames.com/sod20015.exe As with all betas, backup any SOD data you do not want to lose. For example, the folder: c:\users\your name\documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 should be backed up. This name varies depending on the version of Windows. Other possibilities could be: c:\users\your name\my documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 or c:\documents and settings\your name\my documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 In the program folder there is a file called English.txt. For those who might be interested in translating the speech text to another language, you may be interested in this file. Of course you will need to set Speech in the options menu to MS Sapi or screen reader to take advantage of any changes. From Phil: To turn on your SAPI or Screen Reader voice, Play the game and after David says hit f1 for help, do that. Note the default built in voice will be used until you change it. After hitting f1 use up arro to get to options Then right arrow to open them, then up arrow two times to get to speech setting. To change it use the space bar When you have the correct setting hit down arrow to save settings and hit enter. If your computer doesn't allow changing files in c:\program files\Shades of Doom 2.0, the default location, You need to uninstall the game and install it in a different location, I would try, c:\users\YourName\downloads or c:\users\YourName\games If the folder doesn't exist, you need to create it. For those who want to use your SAPI voices in Shades of Doom, you need to pick the voice, volume and pitch in your Windows control panel. It is under Text to Speech. I adjusted my pitch from 50 percent to 75 percent which sounds better in the game. In Windows Vista, there is an apply button to hit first before leaving the TTS feature. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail
Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015
To me, the speech coming from JAWS 14 using ScanSoft Tom is not jerky at all. It may be so with other screen readers, but this one is just fine. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 Just taking a run through the demo. I love being able to play with my screen reader or Sapi, but the output to native screen readers could probably use some refinement. At the moment, the speech is very jerky, presumably because David is sending the exact same instructions to the various screen reader APIs that he is to trigger the recordings that make up the built in voice, so you'll get something like 1, hundred out of NVDA instead of a more natural sounding and productive 100. Where do I go to file this as a bug report? Does David monitor this place? Cheers Scott On 7/11/14, tim z200...@gmail.com wrote: You can find all that info from the GMA web site. At 09:28 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: Hi, I've missed this update. Has david made the game bigger? What are the real differences between this and the 1.2 version? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak Sent: 11 July 2014 14:15 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 Shades of Doom Beta version 20015: From David Greenwood on 7 July: Hi all, Fixed many of the problems mentioned such as the toilet that doesn't give up its ammo, or even give up its blob, the problem with the crate and several other things. They were all related. A few people asked to have the monster sounds in the sound help, but this does not seem to be necessary since all you need to do is press Control-M when you encounter a monster and its name is given. From 8 July: What would people think if instead of having a built-in voice, we use your choice of MS Sapi or your screen reader. In this way I can be sure of having a consistent, easily understood voice, since you have selected it yourself. Also, I can expand Shades of Doom and not worry about matching voice tamber, pitch, and volume. Voice actors have been suggested, but sometimes you lose track of them, or they might not be interested in continuing when you make changes at a later date. There is another reason. I need the speech to be flexible. For example, to be able to say someone's name, and to eventually translate all the speech to other languages. There is another issue. What about keyinterrupt? When Jaws, and maybe other screen readers are speaking, you press any key and it interrupts the current speech. You can miss important information that way, and you may not even know that you do. This does not happen with MS Sapi. Sod version 2.0.15 is ready for download. Lots of suggestions were included, and it can be played using the built-in voice, your screen reader, or MS Sapi. http://www.GMAGames.com/sod20015.exe As with all betas, backup any SOD data you do not want to lose. For example, the folder: c:\users\your name\documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 should be backed up. This name varies depending on the version of Windows. Other possibilities could be: c:\users\your name\my documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 or c:\documents and settings\your name\my documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 In the program folder there is a file called English.txt. For those who might be interested in translating the speech text to another language, you may be interested in this file. Of course you will need to set Speech in the options menu to MS Sapi or screen reader to take advantage of any changes. From Phil: To turn on your SAPI or Screen Reader voice, Play the game and after David says hit f1 for help, do that. Note the default built in voice will be used until you change it. After hitting f1 use up arro to get to options Then right arrow to open them, then up arrow two times to get to speech setting. To change it use the space bar When you have the correct setting hit down arrow to save settings and hit enter. If your computer doesn't allow changing files in c:\program files\Shades of Doom 2.0, the default location, You need to uninstall the game and install it in a different location, I would try, c:\users\YourName\downloads or c:\users\YourName\games If the folder doesn't exist, you need to create it. For those who want to use your SAPI voices in Shades of Doom, you need to pick the voice, volume and pitch in your Windows control panel. It is under Text to Speech. I adjusted my pitch from 50 percent to 75 percent which sounds better in the game. In Windows Vista, there is an apply button to hit first before leaving the TTS feature. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail
Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015
Ooh, the plot thickens! If you get a chance Charles, it'd be interesting to see how Sapi set to the same voice performs for you. On 7/11/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: To me, the speech coming from JAWS 14 using ScanSoft Tom is not jerky at all. It may be so with other screen readers, but this one is just fine. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 Just taking a run through the demo. I love being able to play with my screen reader or Sapi, but the output to native screen readers could probably use some refinement. At the moment, the speech is very jerky, presumably because David is sending the exact same instructions to the various screen reader APIs that he is to trigger the recordings that make up the built in voice, so you'll get something like 1, hundred out of NVDA instead of a more natural sounding and productive 100. Where do I go to file this as a bug report? Does David monitor this place? Cheers Scott On 7/11/14, tim z200...@gmail.com wrote: You can find all that info from the GMA web site. At 09:28 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: Hi, I've missed this update. Has david made the game bigger? What are the real differences between this and the 1.2 version? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak Sent: 11 July 2014 14:15 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 Shades of Doom Beta version 20015: From David Greenwood on 7 July: Hi all, Fixed many of the problems mentioned such as the toilet that doesn't give up its ammo, or even give up its blob, the problem with the crate and several other things. They were all related. A few people asked to have the monster sounds in the sound help, but this does not seem to be necessary since all you need to do is press Control-M when you encounter a monster and its name is given. From 8 July: What would people think if instead of having a built-in voice, we use your choice of MS Sapi or your screen reader. In this way I can be sure of having a consistent, easily understood voice, since you have selected it yourself. Also, I can expand Shades of Doom and not worry about matching voice tamber, pitch, and volume. Voice actors have been suggested, but sometimes you lose track of them, or they might not be interested in continuing when you make changes at a later date. There is another reason. I need the speech to be flexible. For example, to be able to say someone's name, and to eventually translate all the speech to other languages. There is another issue. What about keyinterrupt? When Jaws, and maybe other screen readers are speaking, you press any key and it interrupts the current speech. You can miss important information that way, and you may not even know that you do. This does not happen with MS Sapi. Sod version 2.0.15 is ready for download. Lots of suggestions were included, and it can be played using the built-in voice, your screen reader, or MS Sapi. http://www.GMAGames.com/sod20015.exe As with all betas, backup any SOD data you do not want to lose. For example, the folder: c:\users\your name\documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 should be backed up. This name varies depending on the version of Windows. Other possibilities could be: c:\users\your name\my documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 or c:\documents and settings\your name\my documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 In the program folder there is a file called English.txt. For those who might be interested in translating the speech text to another language, you may be interested in this file. Of course you will need to set Speech in the options menu to MS Sapi or screen reader to take advantage of any changes. From Phil: To turn on your SAPI or Screen Reader voice, Play the game and after David says hit f1 for help, do that. Note the default built in voice will be used until you change it. After hitting f1 use up arro to get to options Then right arrow to open them, then up arrow two times to get to speech setting. To change it use the space bar When you have the correct setting hit down arrow to save settings and hit enter. If your computer doesn't allow changing files in c:\program files\Shades of Doom 2.0, the default location, You need to uninstall the game and install it in a different location, I would try, c:\users\YourName\downloads or c:\users\YourName\games If the folder doesn't exist, you need to create it. For those who want to use your SAPI voices in Shades of Doom, you need to pick the voice, volume and pitch in your Windows control panel. It is under Text to Speech. I adjusted my pitch from 50 percent to 75 percent which sounds better
Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015
It'll be done some time today. I don't need any excuse to play this beta, but now I've got one anyway. Truth is, SOD is a game that I like, but for some reason that I can't put a thumb on, I haven't played it all that much. I think this beta has cured the issue. Now that I've worked with it for a bit, I'm getting hooked. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 Ooh, the plot thickens! If you get a chance Charles, it'd be interesting to see how Sapi set to the same voice performs for you. On 7/11/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: To me, the speech coming from JAWS 14 using ScanSoft Tom is not jerky at all. It may be so with other screen readers, but this one is just fine. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 Just taking a run through the demo. I love being able to play with my screen reader or Sapi, but the output to native screen readers could probably use some refinement. At the moment, the speech is very jerky, presumably because David is sending the exact same instructions to the various screen reader APIs that he is to trigger the recordings that make up the built in voice, so you'll get something like 1, hundred out of NVDA instead of a more natural sounding and productive 100. Where do I go to file this as a bug report? Does David monitor this place? Cheers Scott On 7/11/14, tim z200...@gmail.com wrote: You can find all that info from the GMA web site. At 09:28 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: Hi, I've missed this update. Has david made the game bigger? What are the real differences between this and the 1.2 version? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak Sent: 11 July 2014 14:15 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 Shades of Doom Beta version 20015: From David Greenwood on 7 July: Hi all, Fixed many of the problems mentioned such as the toilet that doesn't give up its ammo, or even give up its blob, the problem with the crate and several other things. They were all related. A few people asked to have the monster sounds in the sound help, but this does not seem to be necessary since all you need to do is press Control-M when you encounter a monster and its name is given. From 8 July: What would people think if instead of having a built-in voice, we use your choice of MS Sapi or your screen reader. In this way I can be sure of having a consistent, easily understood voice, since you have selected it yourself. Also, I can expand Shades of Doom and not worry about matching voice tamber, pitch, and volume. Voice actors have been suggested, but sometimes you lose track of them, or they might not be interested in continuing when you make changes at a later date. There is another reason. I need the speech to be flexible. For example, to be able to say someone's name, and to eventually translate all the speech to other languages. There is another issue. What about keyinterrupt? When Jaws, and maybe other screen readers are speaking, you press any key and it interrupts the current speech. You can miss important information that way, and you may not even know that you do. This does not happen with MS Sapi. Sod version 2.0.15 is ready for download. Lots of suggestions were included, and it can be played using the built-in voice, your screen reader, or MS Sapi. http://www.GMAGames.com/sod20015.exe As with all betas, backup any SOD data you do not want to lose. For example, the folder: c:\users\your name\documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 should be backed up. This name varies depending on the version of Windows. Other possibilities could be: c:\users\your name\my documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 or c:\documents and settings\your name\my documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 In the program folder there is a file called English.txt. For those who might be interested in translating the speech text to another language, you may be interested in this file. Of course you will need to set Speech in the options menu to MS Sapi or screen reader to take advantage of any changes. From Phil: To turn on your SAPI or Screen Reader voice, Play the game and after David says hit f1 for help, do that. Note the default built in voice will be used until you change it. After hitting f1 use up arro to get to options Then right arrow to open them, then up arrow two times to get to speech setting. To change it use the space
Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015
Something else I've just noticed, key interrupt seems a bit wonky. For example, if I'm running along and I hit V to check whether I've been down this passage before, that stops me running. I'm pretty sure that wasn't the case in SOD1.2, and it's already making movement around monsters a bit fiddly if I want to check info at the same time as fighting them on higher difficulties. Anyone else seeing that? Scott On 7/11/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: It'll be done some time today. I don't need any excuse to play this beta, but now I've got one anyway. Truth is, SOD is a game that I like, but for some reason that I can't put a thumb on, I haven't played it all that much. I think this beta has cured the issue. Now that I've worked with it for a bit, I'm getting hooked. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 Ooh, the plot thickens! If you get a chance Charles, it'd be interesting to see how Sapi set to the same voice performs for you. On 7/11/14, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote: To me, the speech coming from JAWS 14 using ScanSoft Tom is not jerky at all. It may be so with other screen readers, but this one is just fine. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 Just taking a run through the demo. I love being able to play with my screen reader or Sapi, but the output to native screen readers could probably use some refinement. At the moment, the speech is very jerky, presumably because David is sending the exact same instructions to the various screen reader APIs that he is to trigger the recordings that make up the built in voice, so you'll get something like 1, hundred out of NVDA instead of a more natural sounding and productive 100. Where do I go to file this as a bug report? Does David monitor this place? Cheers Scott On 7/11/14, tim z200...@gmail.com wrote: You can find all that info from the GMA web site. At 09:28 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: Hi, I've missed this update. Has david made the game bigger? What are the real differences between this and the 1.2 version? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak Sent: 11 July 2014 14:15 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 Shades of Doom Beta version 20015: From David Greenwood on 7 July: Hi all, Fixed many of the problems mentioned such as the toilet that doesn't give up its ammo, or even give up its blob, the problem with the crate and several other things. They were all related. A few people asked to have the monster sounds in the sound help, but this does not seem to be necessary since all you need to do is press Control-M when you encounter a monster and its name is given. From 8 July: What would people think if instead of having a built-in voice, we use your choice of MS Sapi or your screen reader. In this way I can be sure of having a consistent, easily understood voice, since you have selected it yourself. Also, I can expand Shades of Doom and not worry about matching voice tamber, pitch, and volume. Voice actors have been suggested, but sometimes you lose track of them, or they might not be interested in continuing when you make changes at a later date. There is another reason. I need the speech to be flexible. For example, to be able to say someone's name, and to eventually translate all the speech to other languages. There is another issue. What about keyinterrupt? When Jaws, and maybe other screen readers are speaking, you press any key and it interrupts the current speech. You can miss important information that way, and you may not even know that you do. This does not happen with MS Sapi. Sod version 2.0.15 is ready for download. Lots of suggestions were included, and it can be played using the built-in voice, your screen reader, or MS Sapi. http://www.GMAGames.com/sod20015.exe As with all betas, backup any SOD data you do not want to lose. For example, the folder: c:\users\your name\documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 should be backed up. This name varies depending on the version of Windows. Other possibilities could be: c:\users\your name\my documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 or c:\documents and settings\your name\my documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 In the program folder there is a file called English.txt. For those who might be interested in translating the speech text to another
Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015
My big issue with JAWS isnt' jerky speech, but the fact that JAWS insists on saying blank every time I hit a control left, right, ro down arrow, and that it says selected when shift is used in conjunction with the aforementioned keys. Also, JAWS seems to be intercepting the keys as usual, so holding the arrows isn't as effective without it. For the time being, I'm actually just using the built-in EVA voice. Best Regards, Hayden -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Charles Rivard Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 2:09 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 To me, the speech coming from JAWS 14 using ScanSoft Tom is not jerky at all. It may be so with other screen readers, but this one is just fine. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished! - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, July 11, 2014 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 Just taking a run through the demo. I love being able to play with my screen reader or Sapi, but the output to native screen readers could probably use some refinement. At the moment, the speech is very jerky, presumably because David is sending the exact same instructions to the various screen reader APIs that he is to trigger the recordings that make up the built in voice, so you'll get something like 1, hundred out of NVDA instead of a more natural sounding and productive 100. Where do I go to file this as a bug report? Does David monitor this place? Cheers Scott On 7/11/14, tim z200...@gmail.com wrote: You can find all that info from the GMA web site. At 09:28 AM 7/11/2014, you wrote: Hi, I've missed this update. Has david made the game bigger? What are the real differences between this and the 1.2 version? -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Phil Vlasak Sent: 11 July 2014 14:15 To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: [Audyssey] Shades of Doom Beta version 20015 Shades of Doom Beta version 20015: From David Greenwood on 7 July: Hi all, Fixed many of the problems mentioned such as the toilet that doesn't give up its ammo, or even give up its blob, the problem with the crate and several other things. They were all related. A few people asked to have the monster sounds in the sound help, but this does not seem to be necessary since all you need to do is press Control-M when you encounter a monster and its name is given. From 8 July: What would people think if instead of having a built-in voice, we use your choice of MS Sapi or your screen reader. In this way I can be sure of having a consistent, easily understood voice, since you have selected it yourself. Also, I can expand Shades of Doom and not worry about matching voice tamber, pitch, and volume. Voice actors have been suggested, but sometimes you lose track of them, or they might not be interested in continuing when you make changes at a later date. There is another reason. I need the speech to be flexible. For example, to be able to say someone's name, and to eventually translate all the speech to other languages. There is another issue. What about keyinterrupt? When Jaws, and maybe other screen readers are speaking, you press any key and it interrupts the current speech. You can miss important information that way, and you may not even know that you do. This does not happen with MS Sapi. Sod version 2.0.15 is ready for download. Lots of suggestions were included, and it can be played using the built-in voice, your screen reader, or MS Sapi. http://www.GMAGames.com/sod20015.exe As with all betas, backup any SOD data you do not want to lose. For example, the folder: c:\users\your name\documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 should be backed up. This name varies depending on the version of Windows. Other possibilities could be: c:\users\your name\my documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 or c:\documents and settings\your name\my documents\Shades of Doom 2.0 In the program folder there is a file called English.txt. For those who might be interested in translating the speech text to another language, you may be interested in this file. Of course you will need to set Speech in the options menu to MS Sapi or screen reader to take advantage of any changes. From Phil: To turn on your SAPI or Screen Reader voice, Play the game and after David says hit f1 for help, do that. Note the default built in voice will be used until you change it. After hitting f1 use up arro to get to options Then right arrow to open them, then up arrow two times to get to speech setting. To change it use the space bar When you have the correct setting hit down arrow to save settings and hit enter. If your computer doesn't allow changing files in c
