Re: [Audyssey] learning c#
Hi Does SlimDX has support playing of file formats other than wav? E.G mp3? If I were to develop games, it would be a major space saver. Thanks for the tips. Cheers Dickson -- From: Thomas Ward thomasward1...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:17 PM To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Subject: Re: [Audyssey] learning c# Hi Dickson, Two very good books you might want to look at is Learning C# and Programming C# both published by O'reilly and associates. These books can be found on Bookshare or you can pay to read them online at http://safari.oreilly.com which is the most accessible and comprehensive programming site I know of. As far as learning to write Windows forms applications in C# that is really the entire point of using a language like Visual C#. It provides a programmer with a quick and easy method to rapidly create, design, and deploy Windows applications. What a lot of blind programmers have trouble with is not the language, but understanding how to use the development tools properly. Any book you pick up and read will tell you to drag and drop a control from the toolbox. Well, technically speaking the method a sighted person uses isn't how we would perform that same task. For example, let us assume a programming tutorial tells us to drag and drop a button on our form. We can't do that you say. Of course not the way the books tell you how to do it, but there is a quick and easy alternative. First, make sure you are centered on the Windows form. Second, press control+w then the letter x. This will drop you in the toolbox window. Select button from common controls and it will be dropped on the center of your form. Now, press f4 on the button and a properties window will appear. Now, you can punch in the position, height, width, name, etc by hand.When done press escape and you have just created a new button. Press f7 on your newly created button to open the code window to write the button clicked event code for that button. That's justone example where knowing how to correctly use the IDE helps. As far as what to use in your games I highly suggest using SlimDX instead of Managed DirectX or XNA. The Managed DirectX API has been replaced by the XNA Framework, and is scheduled to be removed from the core DirectX SDK in the not too distant future. So Managed DirectX is something of a dead end. The XNA Framework isn't fully accessible do to its dependancy on XAct for audio development which also makes it a poor solution. SlimDX, however, is an open source API that uses the combo of DirectX and XNA components. Unlike the Microsoft XNA Framework the SlimDX team depends on the newer XAudio2 and X3D libraries for audio out put which makes it fully accessible, and doesn't require XAct for programming sound support. So that is my recommendation. HTH On 8/18/09, Dickson Tan dickson.j...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I've recently installed visual studio c# express 2008 and have been playing with it. However, I have not had much luck learning c# as most of the books that I've tried using is too complicated or they use the creation of windows forms applications to teach c# concepts (and this involves dragging and dropping buttons, edit fields so on which isn't ideal for me). Are there any good books or free online tutorials that I can use to learn c#? Also, if I decide to create an audio game, should I use the direct X framework or the XNA framework? Cheers Dickson __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4344 (20090818) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] learning c#
Additionally, anyone with a bookshare subscription can get Safari Oreilly books for free. If you are a current school or college student, you can also get a bookshare subscription for free. Aspiring Game Devs may want to look into this. -Original Message- From: gamers-boun...@audyssey.org [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of Thomas Ward Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:25 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] learning c# Hi Nick, Dickson was actually talking about C# not C++, but my answer is the same. I always refer people to http://safari.oreilly.com because it is an invaluable programming resource. A membership is somewhat expensive, but is worth a high quality do-it-yourself programming education. As far as what book a c++ programmer should read tryTeach Yourself C++ In 21 Days 4th Eddition by Jessie Liberty. It is a well written and in depth introduction to the C++programming language. As it happens I still use the book to look up things I've forgotten and need to be refreshed on. Unfortunately, my copy is a bit out of date and I haven't downloaded the updated version yet or I'd send a copy of it to you. Nick Helms wrote: I've been trying to learn C++ myself. My problem is that all the books confuse me, like with Dixan. This is a great question. Unfortunetly, I don't know the answer, but it would be great if someone could point those interested to a blind programming website, since blindprogramming has gone down. Does anyone know of any good resources for learning C++ as a blind person? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] learning c#
Hi Dickson, Yes and no. The XAudio2 library doesn't support mp3, wma, or ogg formats, but it does support a propriatary format called xwma. The xwma format seams to be a modified wma format specially designed for the XNA audio libraries. I've tinkered with xwma files and they do have fairly good compression. So if you decide to use SlimDX you can use xwma files for long music tracks, background ambience, and other things you want to compress. Now, if you really have to have other file formats another option here is SdlDotNet. I don't think SDL's mixer support is all that great, but one thing it does well is supports several file formats. You can play mp3, ogg, wav, etc. HTH Dickson Tan wrote: Hi Does SlimDX has support playing of file formats other than wav? E.G mp3? If I were to develop games, it would be a major space saver. Thanks for the tips. Cheers Dickson --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
[Audyssey] learning c#
Hello I've recently installed visual studio c# express 2008 and have been playing with it. However, I have not had much luck learning c# as most of the books that I've tried using is too complicated or they use the creation of windows forms applications to teach c# concepts (and this involves dragging and dropping buttons, edit fields so on which isn't ideal for me). Are there any good books or free online tutorials that I can use to learn c#? Also, if I decide to create an audio game, should I use the direct X framework or the XNA framework? Cheers Dickson __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4344 (20090818) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] learning c#
I've been trying to learn C++ myself. My problem is that all the books confuse me, like with Dixan. This is a great question. Unfortunetly, I don't know the answer, but it would be great if someone could point those interested to a blind programming website, since blindprogramming has gone down. Does anyone know of any good resources for learning C++ as a blind person? On 8/18/09, Dickson Tan dickson.j...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I've recently installed visual studio c# express 2008 and have been playing with it. However, I have not had much luck learning c# as most of the books that I've tried using is too complicated or they use the creation of windows forms applications to teach c# concepts (and this involves dragging and dropping buttons, edit fields so on which isn't ideal for me). Are there any good books or free online tutorials that I can use to learn c#? Also, if I decide to create an audio game, should I use the direct X framework or the XNA framework? Cheers Dickson __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4344 (20090818) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- website: Nickhelms.net sip phone number: 360-526-6509 Skype: Nickster919 twitter: Nickster919 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] learning c#
C++ is just way to advanced as a starting language; and c# is a challenge for eevn the smartest of blind game developers. You might want to start with something like, visual basic, etc. If your not just starting out, I'm sorry, just saying.. Tristan B TrekGames.net Cosmos - TrekGames.net, port 1234. - Original Message - From: Nick Helms nick.he...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] learning c# I've been trying to learn C++ myself. My problem is that all the books confuse me, like with Dixan. This is a great question. Unfortunetly, I don't know the answer, but it would be great if someone could point those interested to a blind programming website, since blindprogramming has gone down. Does anyone know of any good resources for learning C++ as a blind person? On 8/18/09, Dickson Tan dickson.j...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I've recently installed visual studio c# express 2008 and have been playing with it. However, I have not had much luck learning c# as most of the books that I've tried using is too complicated or they use the creation of windows forms applications to teach c# concepts (and this involves dragging and dropping buttons, edit fields so on which isn't ideal for me). Are there any good books or free online tutorials that I can use to learn c#? Also, if I decide to create an audio game, should I use the direct X framework or the XNA framework? Cheers Dickson __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4344 (20090818) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- website: Nickhelms.net sip phone number: 360-526-6509 Skype: Nickster919 twitter: Nickster919 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] learning c#
Hello there. Well, there are several, and I mean several, places to learn c++ as a blind person. One of your best resources is a site called safari.oreilly.com. However, you will have to pay for a subscription. There is another site, filled with all kinds of tips for blind folks wanting to get into learning any kind of programming language, as well as containing all kinds of documents and tutorials. It is at http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com/ Good luck. Jeremy - Original Message - From: Nick Helms nick.he...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] learning c# I've been trying to learn C++ myself. My problem is that all the books confuse me, like with Dixan. This is a great question. Unfortunetly, I don't know the answer, but it would be great if someone could point those interested to a blind programming website, since blindprogramming has gone down. Does anyone know of any good resources for learning C++ as a blind person? On 8/18/09, Dickson Tan dickson.j...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I've recently installed visual studio c# express 2008 and have been playing with it. However, I have not had much luck learning c# as most of the books that I've tried using is too complicated or they use the creation of windows forms applications to teach c# concepts (and this involves dragging and dropping buttons, edit fields so on which isn't ideal for me). Are there any good books or free online tutorials that I can use to learn c#? Also, if I decide to create an audio game, should I use the direct X framework or the XNA framework? Cheers Dickson __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4344 (20090818) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- website: Nickhelms.net sip phone number: 360-526-6509 Skype: Nickster919 twitter: Nickster919 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4345 (20090818) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] learning c#
Another cool site that I use, well, it isn't really a site but an online class, is at http://www.johnSmiley.com His e-book is a great way to learn c++ for a beginner. The book is around 13 dollars, and you don't need to sign up for the class to read it and purchase it. His class costs about 250 dollars, but you get 3 CEUs when you finish, and it does keep one on their toes. grin. I am about a third of the way through it, and yes it is accessible. Jeremy - Original Message - From: Jeremy Hartley jeremyhart...@comcast.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] learning c# Hello there. Well, there are several, and I mean several, places to learn c++ as a blind person. One of your best resources is a site called safari.oreilly.com. However, you will have to pay for a subscription. There is another site, filled with all kinds of tips for blind folks wanting to get into learning any kind of programming language, as well as containing all kinds of documents and tutorials. It is at http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com/ Good luck. Jeremy - Original Message - From: Nick Helms nick.he...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] learning c# I've been trying to learn C++ myself. My problem is that all the books confuse me, like with Dixan. This is a great question. Unfortunetly, I don't know the answer, but it would be great if someone could point those interested to a blind programming website, since blindprogramming has gone down. Does anyone know of any good resources for learning C++ as a blind person? On 8/18/09, Dickson Tan dickson.j...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I've recently installed visual studio c# express 2008 and have been playing with it. However, I have not had much luck learning c# as most of the books that I've tried using is too complicated or they use the creation of windows forms applications to teach c# concepts (and this involves dragging and dropping buttons, edit fields so on which isn't ideal for me). Are there any good books or free online tutorials that I can use to learn c#? Also, if I decide to create an audio game, should I use the direct X framework or the XNA framework? Cheers Dickson __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4344 (20090818) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- website: Nickhelms.net sip phone number: 360-526-6509 Skype: Nickster919 twitter: Nickster919 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4345 (20090818) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4346 (20090818) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] learning c#
And, lastly, for now, another site you may want to check out is http://www.nonvisualdevelopment.org Jeremy - Original Message - From: Jeremy Hartley jeremyhart...@comcast.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] learning c# Another cool site that I use, well, it isn't really a site but an online class, is at http://www.johnSmiley.com His e-book is a great way to learn c++ for a beginner. The book is around 13 dollars, and you don't need to sign up for the class to read it and purchase it. His class costs about 250 dollars, but you get 3 CEUs when you finish, and it does keep one on their toes. grin. I am about a third of the way through it, and yes it is accessible. Jeremy - Original Message - From: Jeremy Hartley jeremyhart...@comcast.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] learning c# Hello there. Well, there are several, and I mean several, places to learn c++ as a blind person. One of your best resources is a site called safari.oreilly.com. However, you will have to pay for a subscription. There is another site, filled with all kinds of tips for blind folks wanting to get into learning any kind of programming language, as well as containing all kinds of documents and tutorials. It is at http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com/ Good luck. Jeremy - Original Message - From: Nick Helms nick.he...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] learning c# I've been trying to learn C++ myself. My problem is that all the books confuse me, like with Dixan. This is a great question. Unfortunetly, I don't know the answer, but it would be great if someone could point those interested to a blind programming website, since blindprogramming has gone down. Does anyone know of any good resources for learning C++ as a blind person? On 8/18/09, Dickson Tan dickson.j...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I've recently installed visual studio c# express 2008 and have been playing with it. However, I have not had much luck learning c# as most of the books that I've tried using is too complicated or they use the creation of windows forms applications to teach c# concepts (and this involves dragging and dropping buttons, edit fields so on which isn't ideal for me). Are there any good books or free online tutorials that I can use to learn c#? Also, if I decide to create an audio game, should I use the direct X framework or the XNA framework? Cheers Dickson __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4344 (20090818) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- website: Nickhelms.net sip phone number: 360-526-6509 Skype: Nickster919 twitter: Nickster919 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4345 (20090818) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4346 (20090818) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http
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Jeremy, Just a quick note to say thanks for the last few emails. From the brief look around I just took it seems like there's a ton of good stuff in all of 'em. Out of interest, is C++ your first language? Cheers Scott On 8/18/09, Jeremy Hartley jeremyhart...@comcast.net wrote: And, lastly, for now, another site you may want to check out is http://www.nonvisualdevelopment.org Jeremy - Original Message - From: Jeremy Hartley jeremyhart...@comcast.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] learning c# Another cool site that I use, well, it isn't really a site but an online class, is at http://www.johnSmiley.com His e-book is a great way to learn c++ for a beginner. The book is around 13 dollars, and you don't need to sign up for the class to read it and purchase it. His class costs about 250 dollars, but you get 3 CEUs when you finish, and it does keep one on their toes. grin. I am about a third of the way through it, and yes it is accessible. Jeremy - Original Message - From: Jeremy Hartley jeremyhart...@comcast.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] learning c# Hello there. Well, there are several, and I mean several, places to learn c++ as a blind person. One of your best resources is a site called safari.oreilly.com. However, you will have to pay for a subscription. There is another site, filled with all kinds of tips for blind folks wanting to get into learning any kind of programming language, as well as containing all kinds of documents and tutorials. It is at http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com/ Good luck. Jeremy - Original Message - From: Nick Helms nick.he...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] learning c# I've been trying to learn C++ myself. My problem is that all the books confuse me, like with Dixan. This is a great question. Unfortunetly, I don't know the answer, but it would be great if someone could point those interested to a blind programming website, since blindprogramming has gone down. Does anyone know of any good resources for learning C++ as a blind person? On 8/18/09, Dickson Tan dickson.j...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I've recently installed visual studio c# express 2008 and have been playing with it. However, I have not had much luck learning c# as most of the books that I've tried using is too complicated or they use the creation of windows forms applications to teach c# concepts (and this involves dragging and dropping buttons, edit fields so on which isn't ideal for me). Are there any good books or free online tutorials that I can use to learn c#? Also, if I decide to create an audio game, should I use the direct X framework or the XNA framework? Cheers Dickson __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4344 (20090818) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. -- website: Nickhelms.net sip phone number: 360-526-6509 Skype: Nickster919 twitter: Nickster919 --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4345 (20090818) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. __ Information from ESET NOD32
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Hi Scott and all, You asked if c++ is my first language. The answer is both yes and no. grin For the last several years, I have spent some time trying to learn visual basic.net c sharp and c++. Each time, I would get sidetracked with work and personal life. So, no, c++ is not my very first language. However, this is the first time I am sticking to a language and seeing it all the way through. My experience has been that each author of a programming book has a different way of describing a topic. It is like taking a class in school. Some teachers I had I just didn't click with and try as I might, I just couldn't understand the subject matter. When I would either retake a class or take a similar course from another teacher, then the subject matter would click. I have found that if you read something and it just doesn't click the first time, keep it filed away in your mind and let your subconcious work with it a bit. Then, find more materials that may talk about the subject until you find the balance between subject matter and description. It doesn't happen overnight, and believe me, you will be spending a lot of time reading and rereading something from different sources. You may even feel that you are making no headway, but I can say with certainty that there will be a time when the light will flash in your mind and you will say, wow! I get it now! I guesss, my whole point in this ramblefest is to not stick to one way of learning. Spend time learning in all kinds of ways from all kinds of sources if you can. Jeremy Hartley Jeremy - Original Message - From: Scott Chesworth scottcheswo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] learning c# Jeremy, Just a quick note to say thanks for the last few emails. From the brief look around I just took it seems like there's a ton of good stuff in all of 'em. Out of interest, is C++ your first language? Cheers Scott On 8/18/09, Jeremy Hartley jeremyhart...@comcast.net wrote: And, lastly, for now, another site you may want to check out is http://www.nonvisualdevelopment.org Jeremy - Original Message - From: Jeremy Hartley jeremyhart...@comcast.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:18 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] learning c# Another cool site that I use, well, it isn't really a site but an online class, is at http://www.johnSmiley.com His e-book is a great way to learn c++ for a beginner. The book is around 13 dollars, and you don't need to sign up for the class to read it and purchase it. His class costs about 250 dollars, but you get 3 CEUs when you finish, and it does keep one on their toes. grin. I am about a third of the way through it, and yes it is accessible. Jeremy - Original Message - From: Jeremy Hartley jeremyhart...@comcast.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 11:14 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] learning c# Hello there. Well, there are several, and I mean several, places to learn c++ as a blind person. One of your best resources is a site called safari.oreilly.com. However, you will have to pay for a subscription. There is another site, filled with all kinds of tips for blind folks wanting to get into learning any kind of programming language, as well as containing all kinds of documents and tutorials. It is at http://grabbag.alacorncomputer.com/ Good luck. Jeremy - Original Message - From: Nick Helms nick.he...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Tuesday, August 18, 2009 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] learning c# I've been trying to learn C++ myself. My problem is that all the books confuse me, like with Dixan. This is a great question. Unfortunetly, I don't know the answer, but it would be great if someone could point those interested to a blind programming website, since blindprogramming has gone down. Does anyone know of any good resources for learning C++ as a blind person? On 8/18/09, Dickson Tan dickson.j...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I've recently installed visual studio c# express 2008 and have been playing with it. However, I have not had much luck learning c# as most of the books that I've tried using is too complicated or they use the creation of windows forms applications to teach c# concepts (and this involves dragging and dropping buttons, edit fields so on which isn't ideal for me). Are there any good books or free online tutorials that I can use to learn c#? Also, if I decide to create an audio game, should I use the direct X framework or the XNA framework? Cheers Dickson __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4344 (20090818) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list
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Hi Dickson, Two very good books you might want to look at is Learning C# and Programming C# both published by O'reilly and associates. These books can be found on Bookshare or you can pay to read them online at http://safari.oreilly.com which is the most accessible and comprehensive programming site I know of. As far as learning to write Windows forms applications in C# that is really the entire point of using a language like Visual C#. It provides a programmer with a quick and easy method to rapidly create, design, and deploy Windows applications. What a lot of blind programmers have trouble with is not the language, but understanding how to use the development tools properly. Any book you pick up and read will tell you to drag and drop a control from the toolbox. Well, technically speaking the method a sighted person uses isn't how we would perform that same task. For example, let us assume a programming tutorial tells us to drag and drop a button on our form. We can't do that you say. Of course not the way the books tell you how to do it, but there is a quick and easy alternative. First, make sure you are centered on the Windows form. Second, press control+w then the letter x. This will drop you in the toolbox window. Select button from common controls and it will be dropped on the center of your form. Now, press f4 on the button and a properties window will appear. Now, you can punch in the position, height, width, name, etc by hand.When done press escape and you have just created a new button. Press f7 on your newly created button to open the code window to write the button clicked event code for that button. That's justone example where knowing how to correctly use the IDE helps. As far as what to use in your games I highly suggest using SlimDX instead of Managed DirectX or XNA. The Managed DirectX API has been replaced by the XNA Framework, and is scheduled to be removed from the core DirectX SDK in the not too distant future. So Managed DirectX is something of a dead end. The XNA Framework isn't fully accessible do to its dependancy on XAct for audio development which also makes it a poor solution. SlimDX, however, is an open source API that uses the combo of DirectX and XNA components. Unlike the Microsoft XNA Framework the SlimDX team depends on the newer XAudio2 and X3D libraries for audio out put which makes it fully accessible, and doesn't require XAct for programming sound support. So that is my recommendation. HTH On 8/18/09, Dickson Tan dickson.j...@gmail.com wrote: Hello I've recently installed visual studio c# express 2008 and have been playing with it. However, I have not had much luck learning c# as most of the books that I've tried using is too complicated or they use the creation of windows forms applications to teach c# concepts (and this involves dragging and dropping buttons, edit fields so on which isn't ideal for me). Are there any good books or free online tutorials that I can use to learn c#? Also, if I decide to create an audio game, should I use the direct X framework or the XNA framework? Cheers Dickson __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4344 (20090818) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Nick, Dickson was actually talking about C# not C++, but my answer is the same. I always refer people to http://safari.oreilly.com because it is an invaluable programming resource. A membership is somewhat expensive, but is worth a high quality do-it-yourself programming education. As far as what book a c++ programmer should read tryTeach Yourself C++ In 21 Days 4th Eddition by Jessie Liberty. It is a well written and in depth introduction to the C++programming language. As it happens I still use the book to look up things I've forgotten and need to be refreshed on. Unfortunately, my copy is a bit out of date and I haven't downloaded the updated version yet or I'd send a copy of it to you. Nick Helms wrote: I've been trying to learn C++ myself. My problem is that all the books confuse me, like with Dixan. This is a great question. Unfortunetly, I don't know the answer, but it would be great if someone could point those interested to a blind programming website, since blindprogramming has gone down. Does anyone know of any good resources for learning C++ as a blind person? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Tristan, Sorry, but I disagree. You stated that C# is a challenge for the smartest of blind game developers. Personally, i found the language very easy to learn and use. In fact, I got a book on C# from the Safari web site, read it, and began using the language for private and professional use with in a month. So the language can't be that hard to learn. I'm living proof it is not as hard as you claim. As it happens do you know the difference between C# .NET and Visual Basic .NET? As it happens both languages are very similar. The only, and i do mean the only difference, is that C# applications uses c-Style conventions and the Visual Basic .NET programs uses basic-style programming. They both use the .NET Framework, classes, namespaces, objects, etc. To an uninformed observer the languages would appear completely different, but the difference is a superficial one. Fact of the matter is if you can learn one you can easily learn the other. As for learning C++ being too advanced for a beginner for the most part I agree. The language is fairly advanced, but by learning that language a programmer will be well equipped to learn other c-style languages such as C#, Java, perl, etc. Most languages are based upon the C standard, and thus it is invaluable if a programmer is going to master programming privately or professionally. If someone is just doing it as a hobby then learning C/C++ might not be all that important in the scheme of things, but it helps if you want to become an advanced programmer. Tristan B wrote: C++ is just way to advanced as a starting language; and c# is a challenge for eevn the smartest of blind game developers. You might want to start with something like, visual basic, etc. If your not just starting out, I'm sorry, just saying.. Tristan B --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
