Re: [Audyssey] british coinage
Phil, that's a fantastic idea! I rather enjoy the films, and would like to see that! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Ah, thanks! --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] British coinage
I agree, Liam. A lot of reasons that people have issues with games in general is because they never bother to read the manual. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] british coinage
Hi william. I would appreciate that personally, sinse using us coins I didn't recognize was one thing that turned me off the original game, however remember that the values would need to be the same. for instance, I don't believe in america there is a 2 cent coin, the way we have 2 pence in Britain, likewise, I think the quarter is actually 25 cents, of which there isn't a British iquivolent. I'd therefore suggest recording samples for 1p, 5p, 25p 50p and a pound just so that the financial scores remain the same, though you might also need to reccord the words pounds and pence separately to replace dollars and cents in speaking of score. Personally, while I'd like a british coin version, I do wonder as I said if a more abstract approach might be better, sinse while myself and other brits will want British coins, people in other countries may want euroes, rubals, rupees or whatever their own country uses, hence why in jim's monpoly there is an option to use dollars, pounds, euroes, or name the currency to whatever you want, (I've already played startrek monopoly with latinum). this is why I personaly wonder if a more abstract option would be better, say by having gold coins to replace dollars and cents, with brass, copper, iron, bronze silver and goldd for the coin names in the game that you blow up. all the best, dark. - Original Message - From: william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 9:31 AM Subject: [Audyssey] british coinage hi all would people want british coinage for change reaction? i am happy today to record the following denominations, dark, step in if you think i don't need some of them 1P 2P 5P 10P 20P 50P and one british pound labelled as pound would this maybe help us non-us customers make the change reactions? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] british coinage
fair enough points dark. still trying to work out how to play this game smile i am sure i would get the hang of clearing the board eventually just not yet it odd On 27 Dec 2012, at 09:42, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi william. I would appreciate that personally, sinse using us coins I didn't recognize was one thing that turned me off the original game, however remember that the values would need to be the same. for instance, I don't believe in america there is a 2 cent coin, the way we have 2 pence in Britain, likewise, I think the quarter is actually 25 cents, of which there isn't a British iquivolent. I'd therefore suggest recording samples for 1p, 5p, 25p 50p and a pound just so that the financial scores remain the same, though you might also need to reccord the words pounds and pence separately to replace dollars and cents in speaking of score. Personally, while I'd like a british coin version, I do wonder as I said if a more abstract approach might be better, sinse while myself and other brits will want British coins, people in other countries may want euroes, rubals, rupees or whatever their own country uses, hence why in jim's monpoly there is an option to use dollars, pounds, euroes, or name the currency to whatever you want, (I've already played startrek monopoly with latinum). this is why I personaly wonder if a more abstract option would be better, say by having gold coins to replace dollars and cents, with brass, copper, iron, bronze silver and goldd for the coin names in the game that you blow up. all the best, dark. - Original Message - From: william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 9:31 AM Subject: [Audyssey] british coinage hi all would people want british coinage for change reaction? i am happy today to record the following denominations, dark, step in if you think i don't need some of them 1P 2P 5P 10P 20P 50P and one british pound labelled as pound would this maybe help us non-us customers make the change reactions? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] british coinage
what are joshes thoughts on this please? i do understand though that having the US currency isn't helping us but then would having british help us even more? On 27 Dec 2012, at 09:42, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi william. I would appreciate that personally, sinse using us coins I didn't recognize was one thing that turned me off the original game, however remember that the values would need to be the same. for instance, I don't believe in america there is a 2 cent coin, the way we have 2 pence in Britain, likewise, I think the quarter is actually 25 cents, of which there isn't a British iquivolent. I'd therefore suggest recording samples for 1p, 5p, 25p 50p and a pound just so that the financial scores remain the same, though you might also need to reccord the words pounds and pence separately to replace dollars and cents in speaking of score. Personally, while I'd like a british coin version, I do wonder as I said if a more abstract approach might be better, sinse while myself and other brits will want British coins, people in other countries may want euroes, rubals, rupees or whatever their own country uses, hence why in jim's monpoly there is an option to use dollars, pounds, euroes, or name the currency to whatever you want, (I've already played startrek monopoly with latinum). this is why I personaly wonder if a more abstract option would be better, say by having gold coins to replace dollars and cents, with brass, copper, iron, bronze silver and goldd for the coin names in the game that you blow up. all the best, dark. - Original Message - From: william lomas will.d.lo...@gmail.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 9:31 AM Subject: [Audyssey] british coinage hi all would people want british coinage for change reaction? i am happy today to record the following denominations, dark, step in if you think i don't need some of them 1P 2P 5P 10P 20P 50P and one british pound labelled as pound would this maybe help us non-us customers make the change reactions? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] british coinage
I'd be interested to know what Josh, or at least Draconis generally have to say. Myself I did find the Us currency distinctly offputting, sinse those coins have no practical meaning to me, one reason why i have never bought the original windows game, heck until Tom explained what they meant I didn't know the values of them at all. That is why I suggest either having customizable names in Dollars, pounds, euroes etc, or some sort of abstract currency option which would be the same to everybody irrispective of where they came from or what money they were used to. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] british coinage
Hi Tom. the same debacement of coinage happened over here, indeed part of the reason Britain's currency became metric in 1978, revaluing the pound to be 100 pence instead of 240, despensing with many of the old coins such as shillings, half and quarter pennies, gold sovereignes, crowns, guinnies etc was debacement of the coinage in the way you describe. These days all british coins are pretty base metal, and the only gold in the currency exchange is that found in the exchecker to maintain the gold standard upon which the value of the coinage is worked out external to the stock markit. However in game terms, sinse you are dealing with an abstract system outside of other factors, actual value of gold doesn't matter, just as when you buy a sword in an rpg game that costs say 10 gold, that 10 ggold only has value according to the internal economy of the game, (there's no way these days that any sword would be worth 10 gold coins). Most puzzle games indeed don't use real money at all, in fact the only reason i can think of that Draconis decided change reaction should be based upon real coins was to give players the familiarity of playing a game with coins they were used to physically handling in everyday life. Sinse however that familiarity doesn't exist for people outside the us, you might as well! go abstract into some game only denomination such as coins made of silver and gold, indeed for myself and other people who do not have any clear idea what an american knickle or a dime or whatever looks like, such an abstraction would be easier to handle sinse we could fill it with our own expectations about the physical nature of coins. for example, i might imagine silver coins in the game as silver versions of English ten pence peaces, and gold coins like the shorter, heavier pound coins we're used to over here, (that do have a bronzey tint to them), where as you or other American players might imagine gold and silver dollars. that is why i think abstract, in game referencial coinage might be a better option than just trying to pander to ever country's denominations. though then again, given the current exchange rate, if pounds were introduced to the game it would mean britissh players could make a lot more money for exploding the same number of coins :d. Beware the grue! dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] british coinage
Hi tom. Well the simple answer is, even if a currency is used for exchange trading that is very different from knowing anything about it's physical coinage or what coins are called in the country it's used in. Though you can freely take dollars into a bank in Britain and get them changed for pounds, nobody accepts or trades in them and you'd get people thinking you were a bit of a fool if you tried to use american bills or coins to buy anything in this country. Same goes for Euroes, indeed people trying to pay in none british currency is one of the sterriotypical things people expect of foreigners over here. As to international trading, well there is a big difference betwene seeing something priced! in dollars, running it through my credit card and getting it priced in pounds and actually knowing about the coinage. For example, if i were to buy change reaction, I'd just log into paypal and it'd automatically convert the 10 usd to the current exchange rate, around £6.50 or so, same goes for if I bought something with euroes, Canadian dollars, yen or any other freely tradable currency, the only difference is the exchange rate, and that is something I'll be told at the time I make the perchice. I tend to remember the exchange rate betwene pounds and American dollars and that of pounds and euroes, sinse those are the two currencies I encounter most, and thus can price things in my head when looking at stuff to buy online, but that's really all it means, I have no other idea about the coinage at all, just as you or any other American wouldn't know about the physical nature of british coins if you paid for something sold in pounds such as Damien's games from X site. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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How exactly are British coins done? I understand pound as the basic unit. But what are the pounds divided into, ed what are their spawn-offs (five-pound, ten-pound, that sort of thing)? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] british coinage
Hi Tom. that is not a bad idea. I personally would rather like coloured coins as it would make the game far closer to soemthing like tetris or columns in my brain as they worked on colours, but even if people who were totally blind who preferd not to have colours as referecnes there is no reason other tocans couldn't be used instead. Usually i don't tend to mind what coins a game uses, for instance in say blind adrenaline poker I'm quite content to play in dollars, however i think the issue with change reaction and part of the reason I had such a major problem with the game initially is that it is based on the physical movement and dropping of coins and the apprehention of coin piles within the game, which is a bit difficult when you don't know what the coins actually are meant to be, hence why abstraction would be preferable, (indeed for me it'd also make the game more interesting and lively to play). Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] british coinage
Hi Hunter. No, British coinage like American is for small denomination currencies. The coinage scale is as follows: 1 penny, 2 pence, 5 pence, 10 pence, 20 pence, 50 pence, 1 pound, 2 pound and there was a five pound coin in circulation at one time though whether it still is I don't know. All the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: Hunter Jozwiak Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 11:57 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] british coinage How exactly are British coins done? I understand pound as the basic unit. But what are the pounds divided into, ed what are their spawn-offs (five-pound, ten-pound, that sort of thing)? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] british coinage
Well hunter, each pound is devided into 100 pence. coin wise, you get a penny (one pence), two pence, five pence, ten pence, twenty pence, fifty pence coins, and of course the pound coin. In the mid nineties, the government also introduced the two pound coin, which is now the highest denomination of coin in britain. After the two pound coin, you go into notes, five pound notes (often called fivers), ten pound notes (known as tenners), twenty and fifty pound notes. not being rich, fifty is the largest note I've seen, though 100, 500 and I believe 1000 pound notes do also exist. An interesting fact about british notes is that unlike dollars, they are all different colours and sizes, all having a coloured boarder around their picture, as well as a flashing metallic point which is what banks used to test the note is genuine and not forged. Fivers for instance are smaller and half a pale blue boarder, tenners are larger and have an orange one, twenties are larger still and have purple, and fifties are wider than a 20 but not as long and have a bright pink cast to them. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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The five pound coin was as far as I remember a failed experiment used by the government but only in certain areas, indeed I think I only ever saw one of them. they're certainly not around now as far as I know. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] british coinage
Hi Dark. Are you in the UK then? I thought you were in the US for some reason. Might I know you from other lists? You can answer this question off list if you like. All the best, Ibrahim. -Original Message- From: dark Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 12:16 PM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] british coinage The five pound coin was as far as I remember a failed experiment used by the government but only in certain areas, indeed I think I only ever saw one of them. they're certainly not around now as far as I know. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Thanks Ibrihim. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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What's the difference between a pound and a pound sterling? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Hi Ibrahim. tarnation! yall saw through my rootin tootin disguise, dan varrrmeants! but I'll come clean Mr. sherif, m no texus cow boy! :D. Okay, joking aside, I am indeed english, (you can hear as much in the voicing I've done), however I doubt you will have come across me from other places as I generally only am on lists to do with gaming, and indeed don't really have a lot to do with vi people or organizations in the uk excepting guide dogs, indeed I'm not exactly a fan of the rnib, aka really not interested in the blind :D. I also almost universally go with Dark online as well, I'm at the stage now where it is as much my name as my actual name so if you haven't come acrosss me as dark anywhere odds are you haven't run into me before :D. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] british coinage
Nothing as far as I know. sterling just is the technical term used in the foreign exchange markit for British currency, probably to distinguish British pounds from Republic of Ireland ones, (though there it is spelt and pronounced punts). Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Hunter Jozwiak potbelliedj...@aol.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] british coinage What's the difference between a pound and a pound sterling? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] British coinage
I'm going to come down on the unpopular side of the discussion here because there is one thing in all of this that doesn't make sense to me. As far as I can figure from the thread of the conversation, some people want a completely arbitrary coinage system because the existing system, to them, is arbitrary. I understand that American coinage doesn't make sense, and I could certainly see a desire to put the coins in your native culture's currency, but I can't wrap my mind around the concept of arbitrary coinage based on colors or animals or whatever. What you're basically advocating is that we go from a system where some people understand the denominations to one in which no one does. Were I in Josh's shoes, I would put a description of each coin in the manual, and I would leave it at that. This way people who didn't understand could learn, and they'd have some real--albeit esoteric--knowledge to show for it. All the best, Ryan --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] british coinage
Hi Folks, Instead of American or British or European coinage, how about the coins of Dungeons and Dragons? copper, silver, electrum, gold, and platinum. Silver equals 10 copper. electrum equals 50 copper. gold equals 100 copper, and platinum equals 500 copper. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] British coinage
Hi Ryan. for me it is a question of identification and logic. i know! what british coins are like, I have no idea what american ones are, indeed until Tom's explanation I didn't even know that a dime was a tenth of a dollar. At the moment, the game feels like playing with completely random names that have no meaning or logic to me at all, I might as well be playing with made up words such as zing zang and zod. The reason I think this is such a big deal is that clearly in creating the game, james north wanted a way of constructing tetris using everyday objects, however to most people outside the us, they are nothing of the sort, just pure abstractions, which actually gets in the way of playing the game sinse it means your effectively working with something rather meaningless just as if they were totally nonsensical names unrelated to anything in a person's real environment. One way of fixing this might be to add options for various currencies such as British pounds and euroes, however you still then run into the problem of people in countries who's currency wasn't represented, (I know for a fact there are several indian audio gamers who naturally use rupees), and also the more serious problem that each coinage has different size and denomination coins, for example we've already said that in British coins there is no such thing as a quarter of a pound coin. thus, the suggestion is to create a system based upon objects that everyone has readily to hand, or could easily imagine for themselves, that is why I personally suggested simply changing the names of the coins to metals such as copper, iron, bronze, silver and gold, sinse then anyone is free to imagine the physical coins themselves. tom suggested plastic tocans of the arcade type with some sort of internal logic. the point however about either of those systems is that they have more logic and relevancy to players outside the us. As I said, imagine playing the game with nonsense words substituted for the coin names and you might gather why it is such a problem, particularly for a game so heavily based on the idea of moving physical objectts. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] british coinage
Hi phil. As I said, that is exactly the sort of thing I'd be a fan of myself, sinse then everyone could be free to imagine the physical coins as they wish. Beware the grue! Dark. - Original Message - From: Phil Vlasak phi...@bex.net To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 2:12 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] british coinage Hi Folks, Instead of American or British or European coinage, how about the coins of Dungeons and Dragons? copper, silver, electrum, gold, and platinum. Silver equals 10 copper. electrum equals 50 copper. gold equals 100 copper, and platinum equals 500 copper. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] British coinage
Hey Dark, \The biggest reason James North designed the currency the way he did is because he originally used the game as a promotion. At the end of the month, the score board leader would be credited the amount of his score toward the purchase of an ESP title. You can see how well that worked out. Second, since the game is purely based on matching, what would be the problem with coins like zing zang and zod? You find a match, you throw the proper coin. Third, there used to be, at least, a more abstract system in the two previous incarnations of the game. In the original version, you could type whoopass into the main menu, and the coins would be replaced with flatulence. In the second incarnation, the coins could be replaced with tones. When I started playing the Discworld mud, one of the first things I had to get used to was the concept of British spelling. I knew, going in, that I would be playing a British mud, and as such, I had to learn to spell certain words differently in order to play the game. It's completely against my nature to spell color with a u or center with r e at the end, but I was able to learn it, and I still occasionally log into that mud today. A penny is a pence. In fact some people, I'm told, call 1 pence a penny. Fifty is self-explanatory. A dollar shouldn't be too much of a problem. The confusion seems to exist with the dime and the nickel--confusion which could be solved by putting definitions in the manual. But in the end, it's just matching. Find a match, throw your coin, score points. By that logic, we could play produce exchange reaction. Then we could have carrot, potato, beet, mushroom, and turnip. If you wanted an aubergine instead of an eggplant, that would be just fine. But seriously no broccoli. That stuff's awful. All the best, Ryan -Original Message- From: Gamers [mailto:gamers-boun...@audyssey.org] On Behalf Of dark Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 8:15 AM To: Gamers Discussion list Subject: Re: [Audyssey] British coinage Hi Ryan. for me it is a question of identification and logic. i know! what british coins are like, I have no idea what american ones are, indeed until Tom's explanation I didn't even know that a dime was a tenth of a dollar. At the moment, the game feels like playing with completely random names that have no meaning or logic to me at all, I might as well be playing with made up words such as zing zang and zod. The reason I think this is such a big deal is that clearly in creating the game, james north wanted a way of constructing tetris using everyday objects, however to most people outside the us, they are nothing of the sort, just pure abstractions, which actually gets in the way of playing the game sinse it means your effectively working with something rather meaningless just as if they were totally nonsensical names unrelated to anything in a person's real environment. One way of fixing this might be to add options for various currencies such as British pounds and euroes, however you still then run into the problem of people in countries who's currency wasn't represented, (I know for a fact there are several indian audio gamers who naturally use rupees), and also the more serious problem that each coinage has different size and denomination coins, for example we've already said that in British coins there is no such thing as a quarter of a pound coin. thus, the suggestion is to create a system based upon objects that everyone has readily to hand, or could easily imagine for themselves, that is why I personally suggested simply changing the names of the coins to metals such as copper, iron, bronze, silver and gold, sinse then anyone is free to imagine the physical coins themselves. tom suggested plastic tocans of the arcade type with some sort of internal logic. the point however about either of those systems is that they have more logic and relevancy to players outside the us. As I said, imagine playing the game with nonsense words substituted for the coin names and you might gather why it is such a problem, particularly for a game so heavily based on the idea of moving physical objectts. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] British coinage
Hi Ryan, Dark, and all, Ryan basically summed up our line of thinking extremely succinctly. Using gold, silver, etc, would be just as arbitrary to many people as colors would be, as most metals do not have radically varying textures. The problem would exist for nearly any system you could think of, for large swaths of the world's population. We could use galleons, sickles, and knits from the Harry Potter universe, and I, and likely many others, could use that just as well, and those things are purely abstract. Also, in a system that uses something more arbitrary, like types of metal, colors, animals, whatever…you are then asking the person to memorize values for five different representative items. In ChangeReaction, as it stands now, the user only needs to really remember three…and really, more like two. I doubt anyone who knows English well enough to buy the game does not know what a dollar is, particularly as that is a name for currency in far more countries than just the USA. Likewise, penny, as was previously pointed out in this discussion, is pretty universally understood. That leaves nickels, dimes, and quarters. Quarter simply refers to the fact that it is worth one-quarter of a dollar, so that is easy as well. Nickels and dimes are the only truly arbitrary names to remember. Anything else is more arbitrary than what we have now. And, speaking of arbitrary, the original ChangeReaction also used simple tones in one mode to indicate the various types of coins. We eliminated this in favor of using pitch to indicate the height of the stacks, and also because it did seem far too arbitrary. We had, at one point, considered adding additional types of coins as modes in the game, including fictional or archaic forms of money, just to give folks something new to learn and play with…although this discussion is really making us reconsider whether that would be such a good idea. While James probably did consider ChangeReaction as a Tetris variant, we are treating all of the titles now as their own entities. Hence why you see modes like LooseChange and PayDay in the new version, which have no correlating Tetris equivalents. If you expect ChangeReaction to be exclusively a Tetris clone, or AlienOutback to be exclusively a SpaceInvaders dupe, you're going to have those expectations shattered…hopefully, in a good way. On Dec 27, 2012, at 9:15 AM, dark d...@xgam.org wrote: Hi Ryan. for me it is a question of identification and logic. i know! what british coins are like, I have no idea what american ones are, indeed until Tom's explanation I didn't even know that a dime was a tenth of a dollar. At the moment, the game feels like playing with completely random names that have no meaning or logic to me at all, I might as well be playing with made up words such as zing zang and zod. The reason I think this is such a big deal is that clearly in creating the game, james north wanted a way of constructing tetris using everyday objects, however to most people outside the us, they are nothing of the sort, just pure abstractions, which actually gets in the way of playing the game sinse it means your effectively working with something rather meaningless just as if they were totally nonsensical names unrelated to anything in a person's real environment. One way of fixing this might be to add options for various currencies such as British pounds and euroes, however you still then run into the problem of people in countries who's currency wasn't represented, (I know for a fact there are several indian audio gamers who naturally use rupees), and also the more serious problem that each coinage has different size and denomination coins, for example we've already said that in British coins there is no such thing as a quarter of a pound coin. thus, the suggestion is to create a system based upon objects that everyone has readily to hand, or could easily imagine for themselves, that is why I personally suggested simply changing the names of the coins to metals such as copper, iron, bronze, silver and gold, sinse then anyone is free to imagine the physical coins themselves. tom suggested plastic tocans of the arcade type with some sort of internal logic. the point however about either of those systems is that they have more logic and relevancy to players outside the us. As I said, imagine playing the game with nonsense words substituted for the coin names and you might gather why it is such a problem, particularly for a game so heavily based on the idea of moving physical objectts. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at
Re: [Audyssey] British coinage
I disagree completely Ryan, broccoli is lovely, especially lightly crisped :D. seriously, I actually would've preferd tones. My problem in Change reaction as I said isn't anything particularly against american things, indeed I'm quite happy to play poker in dollars for instance, it's just that the game is based on physical coins. You hear the sound of the coins fall, you here the amounts of the coins explode etc, you gain money by what you blow up etc. that all seems implicit on knowing and being familiar in a far more physical sense with the actual coins, sort of the idea that the computer game of change reaction is a similation of what you could do with lots of piles of coins, several bombs and a teleporting machine :D. Seriously, that is really my problem, it is as if the game were being played with totally abstract things with no physical meaning, and if that is the case, I'd prefer something more logical and consistant than these coins It that I have never seen. Imagine for example that I created a game similar to jim kitchin's skunk, called Blackpool tower. In this game, you rolled the dice to move higher and higher up the tower, and the object was to get as high as possible and then stick, sinse if you rolled too high you'd fall off. now, everyone could play this in the abstract, however for myself and anyone else who has been to blackpool, and has up the tower, which is close to 200 feet tall, this would have more of a meaning, as would the sound effects used for the game, seaside organs, perhaps the sounds of waves etc, sinse blackpool is a popular resort town over here. thus the game would have far more immediacy for people with that experience, than for everyone else, where as if I replaced blackpool tower with say a fantasy mage's tower, with sounds of bats, evil spells etc, everyone has the same ability to imagine it for themselves. #this is the difference for me, a level of physical experience immediate to the game. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] British coinage
Hi. I would strongly recommend including the alternative coin ideas, sinse as I said for me, and for anyone who hasn't held or had experience of the american coins, the game just lack immediacy and interest, indeed I will confess that was something of a putoff when i first played it, thus having say harry potter coins or metals would be much preferd I think. and if it was a choice that people could make, then everyone could get their preference whether to play with American coins, abstract tocans or anything else. As to the question of variants, well I used the term tetris varient in a very general sense, as it applies to a large family of games, rather than implying that change reaction borrowed from tetris. just as columns had it's fillout mode, tetris attack had duels and puzzles, Change reaction has it's variations on the theme, just as alien outback does. this is the difference betwne clone ie, a cheap knockoff, and varient which is why I used one term and not the other. All the best, Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] British coinage
Ryan didn't go far enough to accurately describe broccoli, but he was headed in the right direction. An accurate opinion of broccoli cannot be given here, due to avid moderators who would surely send me a private message about my language. If vegetables were represented in Change Reaction, the broccoli sound would be an indication of a serious error. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] British coinage I disagree completely Ryan, broccoli is lovely, especially lightly crisped :D. seriously, I actually would've preferd tones. My problem in Change reaction as I said isn't anything particularly against american things, indeed I'm quite happy to play poker in dollars for instance, it's just that the game is based on physical coins. You hear the sound of the coins fall, you here the amounts of the coins explode etc, you gain money by what you blow up etc. that all seems implicit on knowing and being familiar in a far more physical sense with the actual coins, sort of the idea that the computer game of change reaction is a similation of what you could do with lots of piles of coins, several bombs and a teleporting machine :D. Seriously, that is really my problem, it is as if the game were being played with totally abstract things with no physical meaning, and if that is the case, I'd prefer something more logical and consistant than these coins It that I have never seen. Imagine for example that I created a game similar to jim kitchin's skunk, called Blackpool tower. In this game, you rolled the dice to move higher and higher up the tower, and the object was to get as high as possible and then stick, sinse if you rolled too high you'd fall off. now, everyone could play this in the abstract, however for myself and anyone else who has been to blackpool, and has up the tower, which is close to 200 feet tall, this would have more of a meaning, as would the sound effects used for the game, seaside organs, perhaps the sounds of waves etc, sinse blackpool is a popular resort town over here. thus the game would have far more immediacy for people with that experience, than for everyone else, where as if I replaced blackpool tower with say a fantasy mage's tower, with sounds of bats, evil spells etc, everyone has the same ability to imagine it for themselves. #this is the difference for me, a level of physical experience immediate to the game. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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I like the idea of just listing the coin values in the manual and being done with it. It doesn't hurt to take five minutes to learn that penny = 1, nickel = 5, dime = 10, quarter = 25, and dollar = 100. It's also not holy important to have coins adding up to any particular dnomination so knowing coin values is not super important. Just take five minutes and do some homework. It doesn't hurt. I promise. On 12/27/2012 8:15 AM, dark wrote: Hi Ryan. for me it is a question of identification and logic. i know! what british coins are like, I have no idea what american ones are, indeed until Tom's explanation I didn't even know that a dime was a tenth of a dollar. At the moment, the game feels like playing with completely random names that have no meaning or logic to me at all, I might as well be playing with made up words such as zing zang and zod. The reason I think this is such a big deal is that clearly in creating the game, james north wanted a way of constructing tetris using everyday objects, however to most people outside the us, they are nothing of the sort, just pure abstractions, which actually gets in the way of playing the game sinse it means your effectively working with something rather meaningless just as if they were totally nonsensical names unrelated to anything in a person's real environment. One way of fixing this might be to add options for various currencies such as British pounds and euroes, however you still then run into the problem of people in countries who's currency wasn't represented, (I know for a fact there are several indian audio gamers who naturally use rupees), and also the more serious problem that each coinage has different size and denomination coins, for example we've already said that in British coins there is no such thing as a quarter of a pound coin. thus, the suggestion is to create a system based upon objects that everyone has readily to hand, or could easily imagine for themselves, that is why I personally suggested simply changing the names of the coins to metals such as copper, iron, bronze, silver and gold, sinse then anyone is free to imagine the physical coins themselves. tom suggested plastic tocans of the arcade type with some sort of internal logic. the point however about either of those systems is that they have more logic and relevancy to players outside the us. As I said, imagine playing the game with nonsense words substituted for the coin names and you might gather why it is such a problem, particularly for a game so heavily based on the idea of moving physical objectts. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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Charles got to agree with you on that vegetable the vomit sound w9ould describe it better me thinketh. Lisa Hayes www.nutrimetics.com.au/lisahayes - Original Message - From: Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 4:15 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] British coinage Ryan didn't go far enough to accurately describe broccoli, but he was headed in the right direction. An accurate opinion of broccoli cannot be given here, due to avid moderators who would surely send me a private message about my language. If vegetables were represented in Change Reaction, the broccoli sound would be an indication of a serious error. --- Be positive! When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're finished, you! are! finished! - Original Message - From: dark d...@xgam.org To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] British coinage I disagree completely Ryan, broccoli is lovely, especially lightly crisped :D. seriously, I actually would've preferd tones. My problem in Change reaction as I said isn't anything particularly against american things, indeed I'm quite happy to play poker in dollars for instance, it's just that the game is based on physical coins. You hear the sound of the coins fall, you here the amounts of the coins explode etc, you gain money by what you blow up etc. that all seems implicit on knowing and being familiar in a far more physical sense with the actual coins, sort of the idea that the computer game of change reaction is a similation of what you could do with lots of piles of coins, several bombs and a teleporting machine :D. Seriously, that is really my problem, it is as if the game were being played with totally abstract things with no physical meaning, and if that is the case, I'd prefer something more logical and consistant than these coins It that I have never seen. Imagine for example that I created a game similar to jim kitchin's skunk, called Blackpool tower. In this game, you rolled the dice to move higher and higher up the tower, and the object was to get as high as possible and then stick, sinse if you rolled too high you'd fall off. now, everyone could play this in the abstract, however for myself and anyone else who has been to blackpool, and has up the tower, which is close to 200 feet tall, this would have more of a meaning, as would the sound effects used for the game, seaside organs, perhaps the sounds of waves etc, sinse blackpool is a popular resort town over here. thus the game would have far more immediacy for people with that experience, than for everyone else, where as if I replaced blackpool tower with say a fantasy mage's tower, with sounds of bats, evil spells etc, everyone has the same ability to imagine it for themselves. #this is the difference for me, a level of physical experience immediate to the game. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] British coinage
See this is why a lot of programmers don't even want to touch games for the blind. The blind on this list pick them apart, moan and grown until the programmers changes it to meet there gripes. Well what about the programmer? They put the game out there for you to play. It is not like there are a lot of games for the blind. Who cares what kind of denomination the game uses.The numbers are still the same and mean the same in the game. A game should be put out without blind community influence or maybe those bitching would like to do the programming? I can understand fixing bugs, but changing the game to fit your petty egos? At 11:23 AM 12/27/2012, you wrote: I disagree completely Ryan, broccoli is lovely, especially lightly crisped :D. seriously, I actually would've preferd tones. My problem in Change reaction as I said isn't anything particularly against american things, indeed I'm quite happy to play poker in dollars for instance, it's just that the game is based on physical coins. You hear the sound of the coins fall, you here the amounts of the coins explode etc, you gain money by what you blow up etc. that all seems implicit on knowing and being familiar in a far more physical sense with the actual coins, sort of the idea that the computer game of change reaction is a similation of what you could do with lots of piles of coins, several bombs and a teleporting machine :D. Seriously, that is really my problem, it is as if the game were being played with totally abstract things with no physical meaning, and if that is the case, I'd prefer something more logical and consistant than these coins It that I have never seen. Imagine for example that I created a game similar to jim kitchin's skunk, called Blackpool tower. In this game, you rolled the dice to move higher and higher up the tower, and the object was to get as high as possible and then stick, sinse if you rolled too high you'd fall off. now, everyone could play this in the abstract, however for myself and anyone else who has been to blackpool, and has up the tower, which is close to 200 feet tall, this would have more of a meaning, as would the sound effects used for the game, seaside organs, perhaps the sounds of waves etc, sinse blackpool is a popular resort town over here. thus the game would have far more immediacy for people with that experience, than for everyone else, where as if I replaced blackpool tower with say a fantasy mage's tower, with sounds of bats, evil spells etc, everyone has the same ability to imagine it for themselves. #this is the difference for me, a level of physical experience immediate to the game. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] British coinage
why don't we just have files that list whatever and the users can select what they want from a list like the monopoly boards and golf courses jim kitchen has. There will always be conflicts. no one will be satisfied. At 11:04 AM 12/28/2012, you wrote: See this is why a lot of programmers don't even want to touch games for the blind. The blind on this list pick them apart, moan and grown until the programmers changes it to meet there gripes. Well what about the programmer? They put the game out there for you to play. It is not like there are a lot of games for the blind. Who cares what kind of denomination the game uses.The numbers are still the same and mean the same in the game. A game should be put out without blind community influence or maybe those bitching would like to do the programming? I can understand fixing bugs, but changing the game to fit your petty egos? At 11:23 AM 12/27/2012, you wrote: I disagree completely Ryan, broccoli is lovely, especially lightly crisped :D. seriously, I actually would've preferd tones. My problem in Change reaction as I said isn't anything particularly against american things, indeed I'm quite happy to play poker in dollars for instance, it's just that the game is based on physical coins. You hear the sound of the coins fall, you here the amounts of the coins explode etc, you gain money by what you blow up etc. that all seems implicit on knowing and being familiar in a far more physical sense with the actual coins, sort of the idea that the computer game of change reaction is a similation of what you could do with lots of piles of coins, several bombs and a teleporting machine :D. Seriously, that is really my problem, it is as if the game were being played with totally abstract things with no physical meaning, and if that is the case, I'd prefer something more logical and consistant than these coins It that I have never seen. Imagine for example that I created a game similar to jim kitchin's skunk, called Blackpool tower. In this game, you rolled the dice to move higher and higher up the tower, and the object was to get as high as possible and then stick, sinse if you rolled too high you'd fall off. now, everyone could play this in the abstract, however for myself and anyone else who has been to blackpool, and has up the tower, which is close to 200 feet tall, this would have more of a meaning, as would the sound effects used for the game, seaside organs, perhaps the sounds of waves etc, sinse blackpool is a popular resort town over here. thus the game would have far more immediacy for people with that experience, than for everyone else, where as if I replaced blackpool tower with say a fantasy mage's tower, with sounds of bats, evil spells etc, everyone has the same ability to imagine it for themselves. #this is the difference for me, a level of physical experience immediate to the game. Beware the grue! Dark. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
Re: [Audyssey] British coinage
Chill out there, my friend. Personally, an option to choose from a list wuld be my preference. I see things from both sides... and Dark, as to having a physical experience that you can relate to, I would tend to agree... but video games don't necessarily have to be relatable to be imagined right? Yeah, one could argue that Blackpool tower would mean a lot more to anyone who's actually been there... but the sounds and ambiance could serve just as well to let someone who has never been there imagine they were. That's why games have and should have good ambiance and sounds... especially audio games. Video games are all about the immersion experience, whether you've been there or not. Playing final fight, you could say it's abstract because you've never been a martial artist who was stuck in a long, horrizontal space and fought enemy after enemy so you can't relate. Sure you can't physically relate... but that's what your imagination is for. Maybe it's different for a game based on coins, yes, but I think if you know enough about the coinage you're working with, then it shouldn't be that big of a deal... maybe you could find exchange rates or something. I'm not shooting anyone's ideas down, and again at trouble... this isn't about gripes or complaints. Just people expressing their opinion and wishing for something in a game from a developer who asked for fan input... nothing wrong with that. - Original Message - From: Trouble troub...@columbus.rr.com To: Gamers Discussion list gamers@audyssey.org Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2012 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [Audyssey] British coinage See this is why a lot of programmers don't even want to touch games for the blind. The blind on this list pick them apart, moan and grown until the programmers changes it to meet there gripes. Well what about the programmer? They put the game out there for you to play. It is not like there are a lot of games for the blind. Who cares what kind of denomination the game uses.The numbers are still the same and mean the same in the game. A game should be put out without blind community influence or maybe those bitching would like to do the programming? I can understand fixing bugs, but changing the game to fit your petty egos? --- Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at http://mail.audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. All messages are archived and can be searched and read at http://www.mail-archive.com/gamers@audyssey.org. If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
