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tetsuya 2004/04/19 20:34:52 Modified:docs index.html xdocsindex.xml Log: disposal Revision ChangesPath 1.408 +0 -5 jakarta-site2/docs/index.html Index: index.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/index.html,v retrieving revision 1.407 retrieving revision 1.408 diff -u -r1.407 -r1.408 --- index.html19 Apr 2004 14:45:12 - 1.407 +++ index.html20 Apr 2004 03:34:52 - 1.408 @@ -280,11 +280,8 @@ ul lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040419.119 April 2004 - b Tapestry 3.0 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040414.114 April 2004 - b Velocity 1.4 Released/b/a/li -lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040409.109 April 2004 - b Tapestry 3.0 RC3 Released/b/a/li -lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040402.102 April 2004 - b Tapestry 3.0 RC2 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040330.130 March 2004 - b Lucene 1.4 RC2 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040326.126 March 2004 - b Tomcat mod_jk2 web server connector version 2.0.4 Released/b/a/li -lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040317.117 March 2004 - b Tapestry 3.0 RC1 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040308.108 March 2004 - b Tomcat 3.3.2 Final Available/b/a/li /ul h4Other news from a href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.htmlJakarta/a @@ -295,8 +292,6 @@ lia href=site/news/elsewhere-2004-1stHalf.html#20040324.224 March 2004 - bjUDDI/b graduates from the Incubator/a/li lia href=site/news/elsewhere-2004-1stHalf.html#20040324.124 March 2004 - bMaven 1.0 RC2/b Released/a/li lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040318.118 March 2004 - bJakarta Struts' graduation with honors into Apache Struts/b/a/li -lia href=site/news/elsewhere-2004-1stHalf.html#20040316.116 March 2004 - bASF Announces CeBit 2004 Booth/b/a/li -lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040312.112 March 2004 - bHiveMind's Graduation From Jakarta Commons Sandbox/b/a/li /ul /blockquote /p 1.342 +0 -5 jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml Index: index.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml,v retrieving revision 1.341 retrieving revision 1.342 diff -u -r1.341 -r1.342 --- index.xml 19 Apr 2004 14:45:13 - 1.341 +++ index.xml 20 Apr 2004 03:34:52 - 1.342 @@ -68,11 +68,8 @@ ul lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040419.119 April 2004 - b Tapestry 3.0 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040414.114 April 2004 - b Velocity 1.4 Released/b/a/li -lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040409.109 April 2004 - b Tapestry 3.0 RC3 Released/b/a/li -lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040402.102 April 2004 - b Tapestry 3.0 RC2 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040330.130 March 2004 - b Lucene 1.4 RC2 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040326.126 March 2004 - b Tomcat mod_jk2 web server connector version 2.0.4 Released/b/a/li -lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040317.117 March 2004 - b Tapestry 3.0 RC1 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040308.108 March 2004 - b Tomcat 3.3.2 Final Available/b/a/li /ul h4Other news from a href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.htmlJakarta/a @@ -83,8 +80,6 @@ lia href=site/news/elsewhere-2004-1stHalf.html#20040324.224 March 2004 - bjUDDI/b graduates from the Incubator/a/li lia href=site/news/elsewhere-2004-1stHalf.html#20040324.124 March 2004 - bMaven 1.0 RC2/b Released/a/li lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040318.118 March 2004 - bJakarta Struts' graduation with honors into Apache Struts/b/a/li -lia href=site/news/elsewhere-2004-1stHalf.html#20040316.116 March 2004 - bASF Announces CeBit 2004 Booth/b/a/li -lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040312.112 March 2004 - bHiveMind's Graduation From Jakarta Commons Sandbox/b/a/li /ul /section - To unsubscribe, e-mail:
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hgomez 2004/03/26 08:54:50 Modified:xdocsindex.xml Log: jk2 2.0.4 release Revision ChangesPath 1.329 +1 -0 jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml Index: index.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml,v retrieving revision 1.328 retrieving revision 1.329 diff -u -r1.328 -r1.329 --- index.xml 25 Mar 2004 20:41:19 - 1.328 +++ index.xml 26 Mar 2004 16:54:50 - 1.329 @@ -66,6 +66,7 @@ h4a href='http://www.apache.org/licenses/'Apache License Renewal/a/h4 h4a href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.htmlJakarta Product news/a/h4 ul +lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040326.126 March 2004 - b Tomcat mod_jk2 web server connector version 2.0.4 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040317.117 March 2004 - b Tapestry 3.0 R.C.1 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040308.108 March 2004 - b Tomcat 3.3.2 Final Available/b/a/li lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040303.103 March 2004 - b POI 2.5-FINAL Released/b/a/li - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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tetsuya 2004/03/26 16:29:10 Modified:docs index.html xdocsindex.xml Log: Fixed the url of Apache Portals Revision ChangesPath 1.394 +15 -3 jakarta-site2/docs/index.html Index: index.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/index.html,v retrieving revision 1.393 retrieving revision 1.394 diff -u -r1.393 -r1.394 --- index.html27 Mar 2004 00:24:56 - 1.393 +++ index.html27 Mar 2004 00:29:10 - 1.394 @@ -919,19 +919,31 @@ /th th bgcolor=#039acc colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif -font color=#ffstronga name=portals href=./jetspeed/site/index.htmlApache Portals Project/a/strong/font +font color=#ffstronga name=portals href=http://portals.apache.org/;Apache Portals Project/a/strong/font /font /th /tr tr td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif -a href=./jetspeed/index.htmlJetspeed/a +a href=./jetspeed/index.htmlJetspeed-1/a /font /td td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif -A Java user customizable portal system based on Turbine framework -- Related: a href=./pluto/index.htmlPluto Project/a, a href=http://ws.apache.org/wsrp4j/;WSRP4J/a -- +A Java user customizable portal system based on Turbine framework +/font +/td +/tr +tr +td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left +font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif +a href=http://portals.apache.org/jetspeed-2/;Jetspeed-2/a +/font +/td +td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left +font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif +Jetspeed-2 is the next-generation enterprise portal at Apache. /font /td /tr 1.331 +7 -3 jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml Index: index.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml,v retrieving revision 1.330 retrieving revision 1.331 diff -u -r1.330 -r1.331 --- index.xml 27 Mar 2004 00:25:00 - 1.330 +++ index.xml 27 Mar 2004 00:29:10 - 1.331 @@ -334,11 +334,15 @@ tr th/th -th align=centerfont color=#ffstronga name=portals href=./jetspeed/site/index.htmlApache Portals Project/a/strong/font/th +th align=centerfont color=#ffstronga name=portals href=http://portals.apache.org/;Apache Portals Project/a/strong/font/th /tr tr -td align=right valign=topa href=./jetspeed/index.htmlJetspeed/a/td -td valign=topA Java user customizable portal system based on Turbine framework -- Related: a href=./pluto/index.htmlPluto Project/a, a href=http://ws.apache.org/wsrp4j/;WSRP4J/a --/td +td align=right valign=topa href=./jetspeed/index.htmlJetspeed-1/a/td +td valign=topA Java user customizable portal system based on Turbine framework/td +/tr +tr +td align=right valign=topa href=http://portals.apache.org/jetspeed-2/;Jetspeed-2/a/td +td valign=topJetspeed-2 is the next-generation enterprise portal at Apache./td /tr tr th/th - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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rdonkin 2004/03/03 13:20:43 Modified:docs index.html xdocsindex.xml Log: Moved Martin's farewell message into an 'In Memoriam' section. Revision ChangesPath 1.383 +16 -1 jakarta-site2/docs/index.html Index: index.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/index.html,v retrieving revision 1.382 retrieving revision 1.383 diff -u -r1.382 -r1.383 --- index.html3 Mar 2004 12:47:33 - 1.382 +++ index.html3 Mar 2004 21:20:42 - 1.383 @@ -245,13 +245,28 @@ table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 width=100% trtd bgcolor=#525D76 font color=#ff face=arial,helvetica,sanserif + a name=In MemoriamstrongIn Memoriam/strong/a +/font + /td/tr + trtd +blockquote +p +Farewell, a href=http://www.apache.org/foundation/martin.html;Martin Pöschl/a. Your words and works live on. +/p +/blockquote +/p + /td/tr + trtdbr//td/tr +/table +table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 width=100% + trtd bgcolor=#525D76 +font color=#ff face=arial,helvetica,sanserif a name=HeadlinesstrongHeadlines/strong/a /font /td/tr trtd blockquote h4a href=http://www.apache.org/licenses/;Apache License Renewal/a/h4 -h4a href=http://www.apache.org/foundation/martin.html;Farewell to Martin Pöschl/a - we miss you/h4 h4a href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.htmlJakarta Product news/a/h4 ul lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040303.103 March 2004 - b POI 2.5-FINAL Released/b/a/li 1.320 +5 -2 jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml Index: index.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml,v retrieving revision 1.319 retrieving revision 1.320 diff -u -r1.319 -r1.320 --- index.xml 3 Mar 2004 12:47:33 - 1.319 +++ index.xml 3 Mar 2004 21:20:42 - 1.320 @@ -58,10 +58,13 @@ a href=http://www.apache.org/foundation/projects.html;ASF Project page/a. /p /section - +section name='In Memoriam' +p +Farewell, a href='http://www.apache.org/foundation/martin.html'Martin P#246;schl/a. Your words and works live on. +/p +/section section name=Headlines h4a href='http://www.apache.org/licenses/'Apache License Renewal/a/h4 -h4a href='http://www.apache.org/foundation/martin.html'Farewell to Martin P#246;schl/a - we miss you/h4 h4a href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.htmlJakarta Product news/a/h4 ul lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040303.103 March 2004 - b POI 2.5-FINAL Released/b/a/li - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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tetsuya 2004/03/01 15:37:27 Modified:docs index.html xdocsindex.xml Log: Apache Software Foundation = The Apache Software Foundation In the eyes of the law, we should append The. Revision ChangesPath 1.379 +2 -2 jakarta-site2/docs/index.html Index: index.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/index.html,v retrieving revision 1.378 retrieving revision 1.379 diff -u -r1.378 -r1.379 --- index.html1 Mar 2004 15:52:53 - 1.378 +++ index.html1 Mar 2004 23:37:27 - 1.379 @@ -206,7 +206,7 @@ br /Related projects have their own project management, developers, committers, their own websites and mailing lists. /p p -strongTo catch up with the major releases and important information from The Jakarta Project, we recommend you to a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]subscribe/a to mailing list for the a href=./site/mail2.html#AnnouncementAnnouncements/a. To keep informed about the news from Apache Software Foundation and its projects, please a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]subscribe/a to a href=http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-announce;Apache Announcement List/a as well./strong +strongTo catch up with the major releases and important information from The Jakarta Project, we recommend you to a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]subscribe/a to mailing list for the a href=./site/mail2.html#AnnouncementAnnouncements/a. To keep informed about the news from The Apache Software Foundation and its projects, please a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]subscribe/a to a href=http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-announce;Apache Announcement List/a as well./strong /p p strongAll Jakarta product support/strong is provided through the subproject @@ -216,7 +216,7 @@ before asking our volunteers to donate additional time and energy to your project. /p p -Jakarta is a project of The Apache Software Foundation(ASF), and like all Apache Projects, encourages a collaborative, consensus-based +Jakarta is a project of The Apache Software Foundation (ASF), and like all Apache Projects, encourages a collaborative, consensus-based development process, offers an open and pragmatic a href=http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html;software license/a, and strives to create software of the highest quality. br / 1.316 +2 -2 jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml Index: index.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml,v retrieving revision 1.315 retrieving revision 1.316 diff -u -r1.315 -r1.316 --- index.xml 1 Mar 2004 15:52:53 - 1.315 +++ index.xml 1 Mar 2004 23:37:27 - 1.316 @@ -22,7 +22,7 @@ br/Related projects have their own project management, developers, committers, their own websites and mailing lists. /p p -strongTo catch up with the major releases and important information from The Jakarta Project, we recommend you to a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]subscribe/a to mailing list for the a href=./site/mail2.html#AnnouncementAnnouncements/a. To keep informed about the news from Apache Software Foundation and its projects, please a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]subscribe/a to a href=http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-announce;Apache Announcement List/a as well./strong +strongTo catch up with the major releases and important information from The Jakarta Project, we recommend you to a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]subscribe/a to mailing list for the a href=./site/mail2.html#AnnouncementAnnouncements/a. To keep informed about the news from The Apache Software Foundation and its projects, please a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]subscribe/a to a href=http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html#foundation-announce;Apache Announcement List/a as well./strong /p p strongAll Jakarta product support/strong is provided through the subproject @@ -33,7 +33,7 @@ /p p -Jakarta is a project of The Apache Software Foundation(ASF), and like all Apache Projects, encourages a collaborative, consensus-based +Jakarta is a project of The Apache Software Foundation (ASF), and like all Apache Projects, encourages a collaborative, consensus-based development process, offers an open and pragmatic a href=http://www.apache.org/foundation/licence-FAQ.html;software license/a, and strives to create software of the highest quality. br/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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rdonkin 2004/02/24 13:57:54 Modified:docs index.html xdocsindex.xml Log: Reorganizing news. The news documents have been moved into thenew directory. This should allow people to link to permenant urls. The old documents have been replaced by redirects though I may add some entries into the .htaccess file later. Revision ChangesPath 1.374 +3 -3 jakarta-site2/docs/index.html Index: index.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/index.html,v retrieving revision 1.373 retrieving revision 1.374 diff -u -r1.373 -r1.374 --- index.html24 Feb 2004 21:44:37 - 1.373 +++ index.html24 Feb 2004 21:57:54 - 1.374 @@ -241,7 +241,7 @@ blockquote h4a href=http://www.apache.org/foundation/martin.html;Farewell to Martin Pöschl/a/h4 pemwe miss you/em/p -h4a href=site/news.htmlJakarta Product news/a/h4 +h4a href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.htmlJakarta Product news/a/h4 ul lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040223.123 February 2004 - b Tomcat 5.0.19 Stable and Tomcat 4.1.30 Stable released/b/a/li lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040221.121 February 2004 - b Velocity Tools 1.1 RC 1 Released/b/a/li @@ -252,8 +252,8 @@ lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040125.125 January 2004 - b Commons Collections 3.0 released/b/a/li lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040116.116 January 2004 - b Commons HttpClient 2.0 RC 3 Released/b/a/li /ul -h4Other news from a href=site/news.htmlJakarta/a -and a href=site/elsewhere.htmlElsewhere/a/h4 +h4Other news from a href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.htmlJakarta/a +and a href=site/news/elsewhere-2004-1stHalf.htmlElsewhere/a/h4 ul lia href=site/news/elsewhere-2004-1stHalf.html#20040213.113 February 2004 - bApache Cocoon 2.1.4 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news/elsewhere-2004-1stHalf.html#20040212.112 February 2004 - bAnt 1.6.1 Released/b/a/li 1.311 +3 -3 jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml Index: index.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml,v retrieving revision 1.310 retrieving revision 1.311 diff -u -r1.310 -r1.311 --- index.xml 24 Feb 2004 21:44:38 - 1.310 +++ index.xml 24 Feb 2004 21:57:54 - 1.311 @@ -48,7 +48,7 @@ section name=Headlines h4a href='http://www.apache.org/foundation/martin.html'Farewell to Martin P#246;schl/a/h4 pemwe miss you/em/p -h4a href=site/news.htmlJakarta Product news/a/h4 +h4a href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.htmlJakarta Product news/a/h4 ul lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040223.123 February 2004 - b Tomcat 5.0.19 Stable and Tomcat 4.1.30 Stable released/b/a/li lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040221.121 February 2004 - b Velocity Tools 1.1 RC 1 Released/b/a/li @@ -59,8 +59,8 @@ lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040125.125 January 2004 - b Commons Collections 3.0 released/b/a/li lia href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.html#20040116.116 January 2004 - b Commons HttpClient 2.0 RC 3 Released/b/a/li /ul -h4Other news from a href=site/news.htmlJakarta/a -and a href=site/elsewhere.htmlElsewhere/a/h4 +h4Other news from a href=site/news/news-2004-1stHalf.htmlJakarta/a +and a href=site/news/elsewhere-2004-1stHalf.htmlElsewhere/a/h4 ul lia href=site/news/elsewhere-2004-1stHalf.html#20040213.113 February 2004 - bApache Cocoon 2.1.4 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news/elsewhere-2004-1stHalf.html#20040212.112 February 2004 - bAnt 1.6.1 Released/b/a/li - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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tetsuya 2003/10/26 14:18:14 Modified:docs index.html xdocsindex.xml Log: 26 October 2003 - Cactus 1.5-rc1 Released Congratulations, Vincent Massol and Jakarta Cactus Team! Revision ChangesPath 1.333 +1 -2 jakarta-site2/docs/index.html Index: index.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/index.html,v retrieving revision 1.332 retrieving revision 1.333 diff -u -r1.332 -r1.333 --- index.html23 Oct 2003 03:19:51 - 1.332 +++ index.html26 Oct 2003 22:18:14 - 1.333 @@ -240,6 +240,7 @@ blockquote h4a href=site/news.htmlJakarta Product news/a/h4 ul +lia href=site/news.html#20031026.126 October 2003 - b Cactus 1.5-rc1 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20031022.422 October 2003 - b Commons/Net 1.1.0 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20031022.322 October 2003 - b Commons DBCP 1.1 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20031022.222 October 2003 - b Commons Pool 1.1 Released/b/a/li @@ -248,8 +249,6 @@ lia href=site/news.html#20031011.111 October 2003 - b Tomcat mod_jk 1.2.5 Connector Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20031010.110 October 2003 - b Velocity 1.4 R.C.1 released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20030930.230 September 2003 - b Pluto is now available at Apache/b/a/li -lia href=site/news.html#20030922.122 September 2003 - b Tomcat 5.0.12 Beta released/b/a/li -lia href=site/news.html#20030907.107 September 2003 - b Tapestry 3.0-beta-3 released/b/a/li /ul h4Other news from a href=site/news.htmlJakarta/a and a href=site/elsewhere.htmlElsewhere/a/h4 1.271 +1 -2 jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml Index: index.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml,v retrieving revision 1.270 retrieving revision 1.271 diff -u -r1.270 -r1.271 --- index.xml 23 Oct 2003 03:19:52 - 1.270 +++ index.xml 26 Oct 2003 22:18:14 - 1.271 @@ -46,6 +46,7 @@ section name=Headlines h4a href=site/news.htmlJakarta Product news/a/h4 ul +lia href=site/news.html#20031026.126 October 2003 - b Cactus 1.5-rc1 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20031022.422 October 2003 - b Commons/Net 1.1.0 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20031022.322 October 2003 - b Commons DBCP 1.1 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20031022.222 October 2003 - b Commons Pool 1.1 Released/b/a/li @@ -54,8 +55,6 @@ lia href=site/news.html#20031011.111 October 2003 - b Tomcat mod_jk 1.2.5 Connector Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20031010.110 October 2003 - b Velocity 1.4 R.C.1 released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20030930.230 September 2003 - b Pluto is now available at Apache/b/a/li -lia href=site/news.html#20030922.122 September 2003 - b Tomcat 5.0.12 Beta released/b/a/li -lia href=site/news.html#20030907.107 September 2003 - b Tapestry 3.0-beta-3 released/b/a/li /ul h4Other news from a href=site/news.htmlJakarta/a and a href=site/elsewhere.htmlElsewhere/a/h4 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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cutting 2003/10/22 09:09:54 Modified:docs index.html xdocsindex.xml Log: Updated for Lucene 1.3 RC2 release. Revision ChangesPath 1.330 +1 -0 jakarta-site2/docs/index.html Index: index.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/index.html,v retrieving revision 1.329 retrieving revision 1.330 diff -u -r1.329 -r1.330 --- index.html15 Oct 2003 14:11:41 - 1.329 +++ index.html22 Oct 2003 16:09:53 - 1.330 @@ -240,6 +240,7 @@ blockquote h4a href=site/news.htmlJakarta Product news/a/h4 ul +lia href=site/news.html#20031022.122 October 2003 - b Lucene 1.3 RC2 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20031013.113 October 2003 - b Commons HttpClient 2.0 RC2 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20031011.111 October 2003 - b Tomcat mod_jk 1.2.5 Connector Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20031010.110 October 2003 - b Velocity 1.4 R.C.1 released/b/a/li 1.268 +1 -0 jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml Index: index.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml,v retrieving revision 1.267 retrieving revision 1.268 diff -u -r1.267 -r1.268 --- index.xml 15 Oct 2003 14:11:42 - 1.267 +++ index.xml 22 Oct 2003 16:09:54 - 1.268 @@ -46,6 +46,7 @@ section name=Headlines h4a href=site/news.htmlJakarta Product news/a/h4 ul +lia href=site/news.html#20031022.122 October 2003 - b Lucene 1.3 RC2 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20031013.113 October 2003 - b Commons HttpClient 2.0 RC2 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20031011.111 October 2003 - b Tomcat mod_jk 1.2.5 Connector Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20031010.110 October 2003 - b Velocity 1.4 R.C.1 released/b/a/li - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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tetsuya 2003/10/04 15:03:34 Modified:docs index.html xdocsindex.xml Log: Pluto Pluto is the Reference Implementation of the Java Portlet Specfication (JSR 168). JaxMe JaxMe 2 is an open source implementation of JAXB, the specification for Java/XML binding. wsrp4jThe OASIS Web Services for Remote Portlets (WSRP) standard simplifies integration of remote applications/content into portals. Revision ChangesPath 1.319 +49 -4 jakarta-site2/docs/index.html Index: index.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/index.html,v retrieving revision 1.318 retrieving revision 1.319 diff -u -r1.318 -r1.319 --- index.html4 Oct 2003 01:17:24 - 1.318 +++ index.html4 Oct 2003 22:03:34 - 1.319 @@ -796,6 +796,21 @@ td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif +a href=http://incubator.apache.org/projects/geronimo.html;Geronimo/a + +/font +/td +td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left +font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif + +Apache Geronimo is a new effort coordinated by the Apache Software Foundation to make a J2EE compatible container. +/font +/td +/tr +tr +td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left +font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif + a href=http://incubator.apache.org/projects/altrmi/;AltRMI/a /font @@ -824,14 +839,14 @@ td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif -a href=http://incubator.apache.org/projects/geronimo.html;Geronimo/a +a href=http://xml.apache.org/xmlbeans/;XMLBeans/a /font /td td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif -Apache Geronimo is a new effort coordinated by the Apache Software Foundation to make a J2EE compatible container. +XMLBeans is an XML Schema-based, XML-Java binding tool with cursor-based access to the full XML Infoset integrated with convenient, strongly typed Java classes. /font /td /tr @@ -839,14 +854,44 @@ td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif -a href=http://xml.apache.org/xmlbeans/;XMLBeans/a +a href=http://jakarta.apache.org/pluto/;Pluto/a /font /td td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif -XMLBeans is an XML Schema-based, XML-Java binding tool with cursor-based access to the full XML Infoset integrated with convenient, strongly typed Java classes. +Pluto is the Reference Implementation of the Java Portlet Specfication (JSR 168). +/font +/td +/tr +tr +td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left +font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif + +a href=http://ws.apache.org/jaxme/;JaxMe/a + +/font +/td +td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left +font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif + +JaxMe 2 is an open source implementation of JAXB, the specification for Java/XML binding. +/font +/td +/tr +tr +td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left +font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif + +a href=http://ws.apache.org/wsrp4j/;WSRP4J/a + +/font +/td +td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left +font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif + +The OASIS Web Services for Remote Portlets (WSRP) standard simplifies integration of remote applications/content into portals. /font /td /tr 1.259 +28 -4 jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml Index: index.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml,v retrieving revision 1.258 retrieving
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tetsuya 2003/10/02 06:42:14 Modified:docs index.html xdocsindex.xml Log: Tomcat5 -- Added Tomcat 5 section and pigeonholed Revision ChangesPath 1.316 +16 -4 jakarta-site2/docs/index.html Index: index.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/index.html,v retrieving revision 1.315 retrieving revision 1.316 diff -u -r1.315 -r1.316 --- index.html2 Oct 2003 09:58:26 - 1.315 +++ index.html2 Oct 2003 13:42:13 - 1.316 @@ -592,24 +592,36 @@ tr td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif -a href=./tomcat/index.htmlTomcat 3/a +a href=./tomcat/index.htmlTomcat/a /font /td td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif -Tomcat 3 is the official Reference Implementation of the Servlet 2.2 and JavaServer Pages 1.1 technologies. +a href=./tomcat/tomcat-3.3-doc/Tomcat 3/a is the official Reference Implementation of the Servlet 2.2 and JavaServer Pages 1.1 technologies. /font /td /tr tr td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif -a href=./tomcat/index.htmlTomcat 4/a + /font /td td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif -Tomcat 4 is the official Reference Implementation of the Servlet 2.3 and JavaServer Pages 1.2 technologies. +a href=./tomcat/tomcat-4.1-doc/Tomcat 4/a is the official Reference Implementation of the Servlet 2.3 and JavaServer Pages 1.2 technologies. +/font +/td +/tr +tr +td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left +font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif + +/font +/td +td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left +font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif +a href=./tomcat/tomcat-5.0-doc/Tomcat 5/a is the official Reference Implementation of the Servlet 2.4 and JavaServer Pages 2.0 technologies. /font /td /tr 1.256 +8 -4 jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml Index: index.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml,v retrieving revision 1.255 retrieving revision 1.256 diff -u -r1.255 -r1.256 --- index.xml 2 Oct 2003 09:58:27 - 1.255 +++ index.xml 2 Oct 2003 13:42:14 - 1.256 @@ -197,12 +197,16 @@ td valign=topWebDAV aware content management system/td /tr tr -td align=right valign=topa href=./tomcat/index.htmlTomcat 3/a/td -td valign=topTomcat 3 is the official Reference Implementation of the Servlet 2.2 and JavaServer Pages 1.1 technologies./td +td align=right valign=topa href=./tomcat/index.htmlTomcat/a/td +td valign=topa href=./tomcat/tomcat-3.3-doc/Tomcat 3/a is the official Reference Implementation of the Servlet 2.2 and JavaServer Pages 1.1 technologies./td /tr tr -td align=right valign=topa href=./tomcat/index.htmlTomcat 4/a/td -td valign=topTomcat 4 is the official Reference Implementation of the Servlet 2.3 and JavaServer Pages 1.2 technologies./td +td align=right valign=top /td +td valign=topa href=./tomcat/tomcat-4.1-doc/Tomcat 4/a is the official Reference Implementation of the Servlet 2.3 and JavaServer Pages 1.2 technologies./td +/tr +tr +td align=right valign=top /td +td valign=topa href=./tomcat/tomcat-5.0-doc/Tomcat 5/a is the official Reference Implementation of the Servlet 2.4 and JavaServer Pages 2.0 technologies./td /tr tr th/th - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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tetsuya 2003/09/04 23:38:34 Modified:docs index.html xdocsindex.xml Log: Apache WebService - Apache WebServices Revision ChangesPath 1.300 +4 -2 jakarta-site2/docs/index.html Index: index.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/index.html,v retrieving revision 1.299 retrieving revision 1.300 diff -u -r1.299 -r1.300 --- index.html4 Sep 2003 22:14:57 - 1.299 +++ index.html5 Sep 2003 06:38:34 - 1.300 @@ -16,6 +16,8 @@ meta name=email value=[EMAIL PROTECTED] meta name=author value=Ted Husted meta name=email value=[EMAIL PROTECTED] +meta name=author value=Tetsuya Kitahata +meta name=email value=[EMAIL PROTECTED] @@ -924,7 +926,7 @@ /th th bgcolor=#039acc colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif -font color=#ffstronga name=ws href=http://ws.apache.org/;Apache WebService Project/a/strong/font +font color=#ffstronga name=ws href=http://ws.apache.org/;Apache WebServices Project/a/strong/font /font /th /tr @@ -937,7 +939,7 @@ /td td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif -Apache WebService (WS) Project is a collaborative software development project dedicated to providing robust, full-featured, commercial-quality, and freely available Web Services support on a wide variety of platforms. +Apache WebServices (WS) Project is a collaborative software development project dedicated to providing robust, full-featured, commercial-quality, and freely available Web Services support on a wide variety of platforms. /font /td /tr 1.244 +3 -2 jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml Index: index.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml,v retrieving revision 1.243 retrieving revision 1.244 diff -u -r1.243 -r1.244 --- index.xml 4 Sep 2003 22:04:52 - 1.243 +++ index.xml 5 Sep 2003 06:38:34 - 1.244 @@ -4,6 +4,7 @@ properties author email=[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jon S. Stevens/author author email=[EMAIL PROTECTED]Ted Husted/author +author email=[EMAIL PROTECTED]Tetsuya Kitahata/author titleThe Jakarta Project -- Java Related Products/title /properties @@ -331,12 +332,12 @@ /tr tr th/th -th align=centerfont color=#ffstronga name=ws href=http://ws.apache.org/;Apache WebService Project/a/strong/font/th +th align=centerfont color=#ffstronga name=ws href=http://ws.apache.org/;Apache WebServices Project/a/strong/font/th /tr tr td align=right valign=top /td -td valign=topApache WebService (WS) Project is a collaborative software development project dedicated to providing robust, full-featured, commercial-quality, and freely available Web Services support on a wide variety of platforms./td +td valign=topApache WebServices (WS) Project is a collaborative software development project dedicated to providing robust, full-featured, commercial-quality, and freely available Web Services support on a wide variety of platforms./td /tr tr th/th - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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tetsuya 2003/06/27 00:02:33 Modified:docs index.html xdocsindex.xml Log: Added 'Apache XML Project' to Jakarta Related Projects section, etc. Revision ChangesPath 1.258 +30 -4 jakarta-site2/docs/index.html Index: index.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/index.html,v retrieving revision 1.257 retrieving revision 1.258 diff -u -r1.257 -r1.258 --- index.html26 Jun 2003 07:05:32 - 1.257 +++ index.html27 Jun 2003 07:02:32 - 1.258 @@ -221,13 +221,13 @@ blockquote h4a href=site/news.htmlJakarta Product news/a/h4 ul -lia href=site/news.html#20030625.125 June 2003 - b FileUpload 1.0 Released/b/a/li +lia href=site/news.html#20030625.125 June 2003 - b Commons FileUpload 1.0 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20030620.120 June 2003 - b Commons EL 1.0 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20030609.109 June 2003 - b Struts 1.1 Release Candidate 2 Released/b/a/li -lia href=site/news.html#20030603.103 June 2003 - b FileUpload 1.0 Release Candidate 1 Released/b/a/li +lia href=site/news.html#20030603.103 June 2003 - b Commons FileUpload 1.0 Release Candidate 1 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20030602.102 June 2003 - b Tapestry 3.0-beta-1 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20030529.129 May 2003 - b Announcing Jakarta Tapestry/b/a/li -lia href=site/news.html#20030525.125 May 2003 - b HttpClient 2.0 Beta 1 Released/b/a/li +lia href=site/news.html#20030525.125 May 2003 - b Commons HttpClient 2.0 Beta 1 Released/b/a/li /ul h4Other news from a href=site/news.htmlJakarta/a and a href=site/elsewhere.htmlElsewhere/a/h4 @@ -238,7 +238,7 @@ featured on bIBM developerWorks/b/a /li lia href=site/news.html#20030603.203 June 2003 - bJakarta Lucene/b and bCommons Digester/b featured on bIBM developerWorks/b/a /li - lia href=site/elsewhere.html#20030528.128 May 2003 - bApache 2.0.46/b Released/a/li + lia href=site/elsewhere.html#20030528.128 May 2003 - bApache HTTPD 2.0.46/b Released/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20030522.122 May 2003 - bJakarta Newsletter Issue 8/b Released/a/li /ul /blockquote @@ -632,6 +632,7 @@ lia href=#incubatorApache Incubator Project/a/li lia href=#jamesApache James Project/a/li lia href=#mavenApache Maven Project/a/li +lia href=#mavenApache XML Project/a/li /ul table tr @@ -815,6 +816,31 @@ td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif Maven is a Java project management and project comprehension tool. Maven is based on the concept of a project object model (POM) in that all the artifacts produced by Maven are a result of consulting a well defined model for your project. +/font +/td +/tr +tr +th bgcolor=#039acc colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left +font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif +nbsp; +/font +/th +th bgcolor=#039acc colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left +font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif +font color=#ffstronga name=xml href=http://xml.apache.org/;Apache XML Project/a/strong/font +/font +/th +/tr +tr +td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left +font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif + + +/font +/td +td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left +font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif +Apache XML Project is focusing on XML-related activities within Apache projects. Apache XML Project currently consists of Xerces, Xalan, FOP, Forrest, Xindice, etc. /font /td /tr 1.205 +14 -4 jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml Index: index.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml,v retrieving revision 1.204 retrieving revision 1.205 diff -u -r1.204
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tetsuya 2003/06/27 00:16:13 Modified:docs index.html xdocsindex.xml Log: Fixed miscs. : Jakarta-Gump explanations etc. Revision ChangesPath 1.259 +2 -4 jakarta-site2/docs/index.html Index: index.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/index.html,v retrieving revision 1.258 retrieving revision 1.259 diff -u -r1.258 -r1.259 --- index.html27 Jun 2003 07:02:32 - 1.258 +++ index.html27 Jun 2003 07:16:12 - 1.259 @@ -224,9 +224,7 @@ lia href=site/news.html#20030625.125 June 2003 - b Commons FileUpload 1.0 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20030620.120 June 2003 - b Commons EL 1.0 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20030609.109 June 2003 - b Struts 1.1 Release Candidate 2 Released/b/a/li -lia href=site/news.html#20030603.103 June 2003 - b Commons FileUpload 1.0 Release Candidate 1 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20030602.102 June 2003 - b Tapestry 3.0-beta-1 Released/b/a/li -lia href=site/news.html#20030529.129 May 2003 - b Announcing Jakarta Tapestry/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20030525.125 May 2003 - b Commons HttpClient 2.0 Beta 1 Released/b/a/li /ul h4Other news from a href=site/news.htmlJakarta/a @@ -442,7 +440,7 @@ /td td bgcolor=#a0ddf0 colspan= rowspan= valign=top align=left font color=#00 size=-1 face=arial,helvetica,sanserif -Gump is a tool for a href=http://www.martinfowler.com/articles/continuousIntegration.html;Continuous Integration/a. It builds all of Jakarta and a href=http://xml.apache.org;XML/a against the HEAD in CVS, a href=http://cvs.apache.org/builds/gump/latest/;nightly/a. While Gump is considered a Proposal, it has been an essential part of Jakarta's infrastructure for some time so it's not worth splitting hairs over. +Gump is a tool for a href=http://www.martinfowler.com/articles/continuousIntegration.html;Continuous Integration/a. It builds all of Jakarta and other products in a href=#Jakarta Related ProjectsJakarta Related Projects/a against the HEAD in CVS, a href=http://cvs.apache.org/builds/gump/latest/;nightly/a. /font /td /tr @@ -632,7 +630,7 @@ lia href=#incubatorApache Incubator Project/a/li lia href=#jamesApache James Project/a/li lia href=#mavenApache Maven Project/a/li -lia href=#mavenApache XML Project/a/li +lia href=#xmlApache XML Project/a/li /ul table tr 1.206 +2 -4 jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml Index: index.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml,v retrieving revision 1.205 retrieving revision 1.206 diff -u -r1.205 -r1.206 --- index.xml 27 Jun 2003 07:02:33 - 1.205 +++ index.xml 27 Jun 2003 07:16:13 - 1.206 @@ -49,9 +49,7 @@ lia href=site/news.html#20030625.125 June 2003 - b Commons FileUpload 1.0 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20030620.120 June 2003 - b Commons EL 1.0 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20030609.109 June 2003 - b Struts 1.1 Release Candidate 2 Released/b/a/li -lia href=site/news.html#20030603.103 June 2003 - b Commons FileUpload 1.0 Release Candidate 1 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20030602.102 June 2003 - b Tapestry 3.0-beta-1 Released/b/a/li -lia href=site/news.html#20030529.129 May 2003 - b Announcing Jakarta Tapestry/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20030525.125 May 2003 - b Commons HttpClient 2.0 Beta 1 Released/b/a/li /ul h4Other news from a href=site/news.htmlJakarta/a @@ -143,7 +141,7 @@ /tr tr td align=right valign=topa href=./gump/index.htmlGump/a/td -td valign=topGump is a tool for a href=http://www.martinfowler.com/articles/continuousIntegration.html;Continuous Integration/a. It builds all of Jakarta and a href=http://xml.apache.org;XML/a against the HEAD in CVS, a href=http://cvs.apache.org/builds/gump/latest/;nightly/a. While Gump is considered a Proposal, it has been an essential part of Jakarta's infrastructure for some time so it's not worth splitting hairs over./td +td valign=topGump is a tool for a href=http://www.martinfowler.com/articles/continuousIntegration.html;Continuous Integration/a. It builds all of Jakarta and other products in a href=#Jakarta Related ProjectsJakarta Related Projects/a against the HEAD in CVS, a
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danny 2003/06/12 04:26:20 Modified:docs/site elsewhere.html xdocs/site elsewhere.xml docs index.html xdocsindex.xml Log: Elsewhere news item. Articles on James published on IBM develoeprWorks. Revision ChangesPath 1.48 +15 -2 jakarta-site2/docs/site/elsewhere.html Index: elsewhere.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/site/elsewhere.html,v retrieving revision 1.47 retrieving revision 1.48 diff -u -r1.47 -r1.48 --- elsewhere.html8 Jun 2003 04:05:09 - 1.47 +++ elsewhere.html12 Jun 2003 11:26:19 - 1.48 @@ -178,7 +178,18 @@ /td/tr trtd blockquote -a name=20030528.1 +a name=20030612.1 +h312 June 2003 - James featured on IBM developerWorks/h3 +/a +p +Claude Duguay has written two excellent articles on a href=http://james.apache.org/;James/a for +a href=http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/;IBM developerWorks/abr / +[a href=http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-james1.html;article1/a] +An introduction to Apache's James enterprise e-mail server.br / +[a href=http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-james2.html;article2/a] +Build e-mail based applications with Matchers and Mailets. +/p +a name=20030528.1 h328 May 2003 - Apache 2.0.46 released/h3/a p The Apache Software Foundation and the Apache HTTP Server Project are @@ -207,7 +218,9 @@ p See a href=http://james.apache.org/changelog.html;changelog/a for more details. /p -pDownload James in a href=http://jakarta.apache.org/site/binindex.cgi;binary/a or a href=http://jakarta.apache.org/site/sourceindex.cgi;source/a form./p +pDownload James in +a href=http://jakarta.apache.org/site/binindex.cgi;binary/a or +a href=http://jakarta.apache.org/site/sourceindex.cgi;source/a form./p hr size=1 noshade=noshade / a name=20030505.1 h35 May 2003 - Scarab 1.0 Beta 14 Released By Tigris.org/h3 1.23 +17 -3 jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/elsewhere.xml Index: elsewhere.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/elsewhere.xml,v retrieving revision 1.22 retrieving revision 1.23 diff -u -r1.22 -r1.23 --- elsewhere.xml 6 Jun 2003 03:45:32 - 1.22 +++ elsewhere.xml 12 Jun 2003 11:26:20 - 1.23 @@ -10,6 +10,20 @@ body section name=Elsewhere ... + +a name=20030612.1 +h312 June 2003 - James featured on IBM developerWorks/h3 +/a +p +Claude Duguay has written two excellent articles on a href=http://james.apache.org/;James/a for +a href=http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/;IBM developerWorks/abr/ +[a href=http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-james1.html;article1/a] +An introduction to Apache's James enterprise e-mail server.br/ +[a href=http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-james2.html;article2/a] +Build e-mail based applications with Matchers and Mailets. +/p + + a name=20030528.1 h328 May 2003 - Apache 2.0.46 released/h3/a p @@ -40,9 +54,9 @@ p See a href='http://james.apache.org/changelog.html'changelog/a for more details. /p -pDownload James in a -href=http://jakarta.apache.org/site/binindex.cgi;binary/a or a -href=http://jakarta.apache.org/site/sourceindex.cgi;source/a form./p +pDownload James in +a href=http://jakarta.apache.org/site/binindex.cgi;binary/a or +a href=http://jakarta.apache.org/site/sourceindex.cgi;source/a form./p hr size=1 noshade=noshade / a name=20030505.1 1.252 +5 -5 jakarta-site2/docs/index.html Index: index.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/index.html,v retrieving revision 1.251 retrieving revision 1.252 diff -u -r1.251 -r1.252 --- index.html9 Jun 2003 19:13:01 - 1.251 +++ index.html12 Jun 2003 11:26:20 - 1.252 @@ -226,18 +226,18 @@ lia href=site/news.html#20030602.102 June 2003 - b Tapestry 3.0-beta-1 Released/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20030529.129 May 2003 - b Announcing Jakarta Tapestry/b/a/li lia href=site/news.html#20030525.125 May 2003 - b HttpClient 2.0 Beta 1 Released/b/a/li -lia
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hlship 2003/06/02 10:47:11 Modified:docs/site binindex.html sourceindex.html news.html docs index.html xdocs/site sourceindex.xml binindex.xml news.xml xdocsindex.xml Log: Add Tapestry 3.0-beta-1 release notice, and Tapestry mirror links. Revision ChangesPath 1.294 +3 -0 jakarta-site2/docs/site/binindex.html Index: binindex.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/site/binindex.html,v retrieving revision 1.293 retrieving revision 1.294 diff -u -r1.293 -r1.294 --- binindex.html 30 May 2003 06:04:26 - 1.293 +++ binindex.html 2 Jun 2003 17:47:10 - 1.294 @@ -267,6 +267,7 @@ lia href=[preferred]/jakarta/regexp/Regexp 1.2/a/li lia href=[preferred]/jakarta/struts/binaries/Struts 1.1 Release Candidate 1/a/li lia href=[preferred]/jakarta/taglibs/Taglibs/a/li + lia href=[preferred]/jakarta/tapestry/binaries/3.0-beta-1/Tapestry 3.0-beta-1/a/li lia href=[preferred]/jakarta/tomcat-4/binaries/Tomcat 4.1.24/a/li /ul a name=mainh3Main distribution site/h3/a @@ -305,6 +306,7 @@ lia href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/jakarta-slide/release/1.0/;Slide 1.0.16/a/li lia href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/jakarta-struts/release/v1.0.2/;Struts 1.0.2/a/li lia href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/taglibs/;Taglibs/a/li +lia href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/tapestry/;Tapestry 3.0-beta-1/a/li lia href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/jakarta-tomcat/release/v3.2.4/bin/;Tomcat 3.2.4/a/li lia href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/jakarta-tomcat/release/v3.3.1a/bin/;Tomcat 3.3.1a/a/li lia href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/jakarta-tomcat-4.0/release/v4.0.6/;Tomcat 4.0.6/a/li @@ -331,6 +333,7 @@ lia href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/jakarta-jmeter/unstable/v1.7.2/;JMeter 1.7.2/a/li lia href=http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-poi/dev/bin/;POI 1.10-dev (early 2.0 development build)/a/li lia href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/struts/binaries/;Struts 1.1 Release Candidate 1/a/li +lia href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/tapestry/binaries/3.0-beta-1/;Tapestry 3.0-beta-1/a/li lia href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/jakarta-tomcat/release/v5.0.2-alpha/;Tomcat 5.0.2 Alpha/a/li lia href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/jakarta-velocity/release/v1.3/;Velocity 1.3-rc1/a/li /ul 1.206 +3 -0 jakarta-site2/docs/site/sourceindex.html Index: sourceindex.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/site/sourceindex.html,v retrieving revision 1.205 retrieving revision 1.206 diff -u -r1.205 -r1.206 --- sourceindex.html 30 May 2003 06:04:27 - 1.205 +++ sourceindex.html 2 Jun 2003 17:47:10 - 1.206 @@ -266,6 +266,7 @@ lia href=[preferred]/jakarta/log4j/source/Log4j 1.2.8/a/li lia href=[preferred]/jakarta/oro/source/ORO 2.0.7/a/li lia href=[preferred]/jakarta/struts/source/Struts 1.1 Release Candidate 1/a/li + lia href=[preferred]/jakarta/tapestry/source/Tapestry 3.0-beta-1/a/li lia href=[preferred]/jakarta/tomcat-4/source/Tomcat 4.1.24/a/li /ul a name=mainh3Main distribution site/h3/a @@ -299,6 +300,7 @@ lia href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/oro/;ORO 2.0.7/a/li lia href=http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-poi/release/src/;POI 1.5.1-FINAL (production release)/a/li lia href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/jakarta-struts/release/v1.0.2/src/;Struts 1.0.2/a/li +lia href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/tapestry/;Tapestry 3.0-beta-1/a/li lia href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/tomcat/release/v3.2.4/src/;Tomcat 3.2.4/a/li lia href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/tomcat/release/v3.3.1a/src/;Tomcat 3.3.1a/a/li lia href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/jakarta-tomcat-4.0/release/v4.0.6/src/;Tomcat 4.0.6/a/li @@ -323,6 +325,7 @@ lia href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/jakarta-jmeter/unstable/v1.7.2/;JMeter 1.7.2/a/li lia href=http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/jakarta-poi/dev/src/;POI 1.8-dev (early development build)/a/li lia href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/struts/source/;Struts 1.1 Release Candidate 1/a/li +lia href=http://www.apache.org/dist/jakarta/tapestry/source/3.0-beta-1/;Tapestry 3.0-beta-1/a/li /ul /blockquote /td/tr 1.319 +21 -1 jakarta-site2/docs/site/news.html Index: news.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/site/news.html,v
Re: [ANN] Apache's Position on the JSPA (was: Re: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml])
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: on 1/30/02 4:15 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My only issue and I guess this is directed more at you Jon, is it doesn't give me a clear idea about what we want. Can you give me a good idea and I'll be glad to submit a patch to that effect. It just seems like we should be asking for something and being specific. -Andy Here is what we want: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jspa-position.html Kudo's to Jason Hunter for writing it. snip/ I read it last night from CVS. I just wanted to say that I am really proud and excited to see Apache stand up for something! Lets keep up the good work! :) Kevin - -- Kevin A. Burton ( [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Location - San Francisco, CA, Cell - 415.595.9965 Jabber - [EMAIL PROTECTED], Web - http://relativity.yi.org/ These are dangerous days. To say what you feel is to dig your own grave. Remember what I told you. If they hated me, they will hate you. - Sinead O'Connor -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Get my public key at: http://relativity.yi.org/pgpkey.txt iD8DBQE8YEJgAwM6xb2dfE0RAobWAJ0WAcvgbh8ly/cSRL07n8a2ltro4gCbBSQV yseYSQ3XUeztafUaIG+qZwk= =/8// -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: J2EE considered harmful (was [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml])
I've been lurking on this list for several years, and not speaking about things I'm not contributing to. But Andy's comment here about EJB J2EE goes right to the point, and triggers my passion ... As an architect, I've been in 5 projects in the last 2.5 years where EJBs were on the table, and in every case but one there have been overwhelming reasons to avoid getting involved with that kind of technology. And in the remaining case, it was already live when I came on board but thankfully the designer had not used Entity Beans, which made it almost tolerable. In the last project (a major customer-care callcenter app), they had used Entity Beans, and Websphere, and there were 500 EJBs, and 4700 distinct application classes. It took 2 days of continuous processing just to 'deploy' the beans, and I was called in when they found they couldn't meet adequate performance. Related, of course to the modelling of the database through Entity Beans. I won't go into the details, but believe me there were big problems in just about every area I looked at, not least developer productivity with the toolsets. My advice was unreservedly to junk both EJB and Websphere, since any competent designer could implement a solution with about a tenth of the complexity involved, and with no need for these opaque tools that you can't control. Yes, EJB is a complete bodge of a design, and RPC invocation techniques would only be acceptable if they were completely transparent, instead of requiring you to do so much plumbing yourself. But personally, I think RPC is entirely overrated, and it is a mistake to try to program as though a remote call had the same characteristics as a local one. The Pointy Haired Management are influenced by other views of the marketplace, of course, but they don't really make any sense if you can see where technology like this is likely to end up in the longer term. (i.e. replaced by something better). The rest of J2EE ? Well, Servlets is great, JSP is just about OK, (but of course you really wanted a templating engine). And among the rest of the APIs, there seem to be some that are OK, but an awful lot of it is pretty mediocre. Overall, it is Java *not* living up to its early promise. In summary, after a couple of years wondering 'Why am I the only person to see this ?' it's a relief to see Andy's post. I also remember seeing Jon's comment 'WAKE UP PEOPLE' a few weeks back (before Outlook trashed my mailbase) and though I think he is commenting on Sun's military strategy rather than the technicalities of EJB (am I right there ?) I do think that we need a much more public protest about the weakness of the technologies on offer - too many companies are forcing developers down the J2EE path. DotNet doesn't have to be the winner from such a protest, either. There are much better ways to do things, and at present customised solutions win hands-down on every count except 'common culture'. I know this is not much Jakarta related (unless Jakarta can take on J2EE directly ?), but it does seem a very important issue in the context of server-side Java. How much support exists for this point of view ? Does anyone have pointers for areas where rational discontent is brewing in a less 'humble' form ? - Tim - Original Message - From: Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 31 January 2002 01:58 Subject: Re: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml] On Wed, 2002-01-30 at 19:54, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 2002.1.30 4:15 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My only issue and I guess this is directed more at you Jon, is it doesn't give me a clear idea about what we want. Can you give me a good idea and I'll be glad to submit a patch to that effect. It just seems like we should be asking for something and being specific. -Andy That is a very good point. However, privately, Sun knows exactly what we want. There is still some stuff that goes on behind the scenes around here that unfortunately isn't exposed. Needless to say, discussions about opening some of that up (including posting what we want to the public site) are going on now. For starters: I think the J2EE stuff should be under at least the same license as the rest of the JDK. Personally I'm having a hard time getting particularly in uproar as I think the central core of J2EE - Enterprise Java Beans is such a poor standard, that I'm not particularly upset that its not *free*. I should not say these things publicly, as I still have to work in these things, but in truth EJB and particularly Entity beans is a less that elegant kludge. In truth J2EE is kind of a scam. It claims to be aiming for compatibility and universality but the truth is the vendors play too big of a role in it. They want to have lots of room for proprietary extensions. Its market one thing but actually sell another. I'd rather see someone come up with an opensource standard
Re: J2EE considered harmful (was [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml])
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: To be fair, WebSphere is probably more troublesome then the other containers (at least thats been my experience with it). I do think there is a time and place for RPC. I however think better support for location independence is required. (snip) I would suggest gaining experience with other containers (BEA and jBoss for starters, you can download a trial of the former and the latter is opensource) so that you can discriminate the problems that are exist in WebSphere from those in EJBs as a whole. Not because you want to just do not-ejb but so that you don't repeat the same mistakes. I have implemented a system using Container Managed EntityBeans that worked fairly well. I used Jonas (it was some time ago). It was smaller than the original poster example (about 20 entity classes, tens of thousands of instances). I spent a lot of time getting the entity design right. From the original description, it looks like the problems in the quoted project came from bad system design, more than from EJB technology as such. Comments on my experience: - The location and engine independence was a true marvel. I was developing with postgres/linux and deploying under MSSQLServer/NT with the same source code. Only small diffs in configuration needed. - Performance was not good, but scalability was. - Leaving transaction and persistence management to the container proved good at the end. - My main issue in the development were related with using JSP for the interface (JSP sucks (c) Jon :) ) So, while I agree with political/licensing issues being of concern, I would not disqualify EJB as a whole from a technological point of view. YMMV. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: J2EE considered harmful (was [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml])
snip I have implemented a system using Container Managed EntityBeans that worked fairly well. I used Jonas (it was some time ago). It was smaller than the original poster example (about 20 entity classes, tens of thousands of instances). I spent a lot of time getting the entity design right. From the original description, it looks like the problems in the quoted project came from bad system design, more than from EJB technology as such. Comments on my experience: - The location and engine independence was a true marvel. I was developing with postgres/linux and deploying under MSSQLServer/NT with the same source code. Only small diffs in configuration needed. - Performance was not good, but scalability was. - Leaving transaction and persistence management to the container proved good at the end. - My main issue in the development were related with using JSP for the interface (JSP sucks (c) Jon :) ) So, while I agree with political/licensing issues being of concern, I would not disqualify EJB as a whole from a technological point of view. YMMV. My experience with Distributed Object Systems goes back to early CORBA and DCOM. I've seen about as many failures in just about every distributed system, regardless of technology flavour. EJB is just the latest, and as seems usual in our industry, lots of people are coming in, treating it as green field development, and are making the same mistakes. Mostly, they ignore that the choice of making a system distributed is fundamental. You can not take an Object Model and arbitrarily cleave it and produce a good Distributed Object Model. The worst case of this I ever saw was a system that had String as a CORBA object. EJB also brings to the table all of the problems of the Object/Relational impedance mismatch. It's an empirical fact at this point that rows in a table are bad objects. They're data, and have no behavior. Turning them into objects with container managed persistence doesn't make them good objects. Objects are composed out of many rows spanning several tables. That's hard to do with CMP. Just my $0.02. This electronic mail transmission may contain confidential information and is intended only for the person(s) named. Any use, copying or disclosure by any other person is strictly prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify the sender via e-mail. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml]
-Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml] On Wed, 2002-01-30 at 19:54, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 2002.1.30 4:15 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My only issue and I guess this is directed more at you Jon, is it doesn't give me a clear idea about what we want. Can you give me a good idea and I'll be glad to submit a patch to that effect. It just seems like we should be asking for something and being specific. -Andy That is a very good point. However, privately, Sun knows exactly what we want. There is still some stuff that goes on behind the scenes around here that unfortunately isn't exposed. Needless to say, discussions about opening some of that up (including posting what we want to the public site) are going on now. For starters: I think the J2EE stuff should be under at least the same license as the rest of the JDK. Personally I'm having a hard time getting particularly in uproar as I think the central core of J2EE - Enterprise Java Beans is such a poor standard, that I'm not particularly upset that its not *free*. I should not say these things publicly, as I still have to work in these things, but in truth EJB and particularly Entity beans is a less that elegant kludge. In truth J2EE is kind of a scam. It claims to be aiming for compatibility and universality but the truth is the vendors play too big of a role in it. They want to have lots of room for proprietary extensions. Its market one thing but actually sell another. I'd rather see someone come up with an opensource standard that achieves the goals of EJBs without being limited by its faulty design and backward compatibility with its original faultier design. Just my humble opinion on that. Check out AJB in Avalon. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=avalon-apps-devm=101158982807771w=2 Uses AltRMI from the Commons to achieve RMI with extending Remote or throwing remote exception. Now you can publish any class/interface remotely... Cheers, Scott -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml]
That's awesome, I'll check that out! On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 13:11, Scott Sanders wrote: -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml] On Wed, 2002-01-30 at 19:54, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 2002.1.30 4:15 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My only issue and I guess this is directed more at you Jon, is it doesn't give me a clear idea about what we want. Can you give me a good idea and I'll be glad to submit a patch to that effect. It just seems like we should be asking for something and being specific. -Andy That is a very good point. However, privately, Sun knows exactly what we want. There is still some stuff that goes on behind the scenes around here that unfortunately isn't exposed. Needless to say, discussions about opening some of that up (including posting what we want to the public site) are going on now. For starters: I think the J2EE stuff should be under at least the same license as the rest of the JDK. Personally I'm having a hard time getting particularly in uproar as I think the central core of J2EE - Enterprise Java Beans is such a poor standard, that I'm not particularly upset that its not *free*. I should not say these things publicly, as I still have to work in these things, but in truth EJB and particularly Entity beans is a less that elegant kludge. In truth J2EE is kind of a scam. It claims to be aiming for compatibility and universality but the truth is the vendors play too big of a role in it. They want to have lots of room for proprietary extensions. Its market one thing but actually sell another. I'd rather see someone come up with an opensource standard that achieves the goals of EJBs without being limited by its faulty design and backward compatibility with its original faultier design. Just my humble opinion on that. Check out AJB in Avalon. http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=avalon-apps-devm=101158982807771w=2 Uses AltRMI from the Commons to achieve RMI with extending Remote or throwing remote exception. Now you can publish any class/interface remotely... Cheers, Scott -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- www.superlinksoftware.com www.sourceforge.net/projects/poi - port of Excel format to java http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html - fix java generics! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml]
I'm not comfortable with carrying this type of editorial matter at the top of the home page, and would like to move it to the news and status page. -Ted. Original Message Subject: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml Date: 30 Jan 2002 21:53:04 - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Jakarta WebSite CVS List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jon 02/01/30 13:53:04 Modified:docs index.html xdocsindex.xml Log: lets have a little fun. Revision ChangesPath 1.52 +32 -0 jakarta-site2/docs/index.html Index: index.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/index.html,v retrieving revision 1.51 retrieving revision 1.52 diff -u -r1.51 -r1.52 --- index.html29 Jan 2002 01:47:06 - 1.51 +++ index.html30 Jan 2002 21:53:03 - 1.52 @@ -140,6 +140,38 @@ table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 width=100% trtd bgcolor=#525D76 font color=#ff face=arial,helvetica,sanserif + a name=That flaming fireball in the sky...strongThat flaming fireball in the sky.../strong/a +/font + /td/tr + trtd +blockquote +p +In a recent a href=http://www.theserverside.com/resources/article.jsp?l=SunInterview;article/a, Karen Tegan, Director of J2EE Compatibility and Platform +Services for Sun Microsystems, had the following to say: +/p +p +The J2EE Compatible brand has achieved significant momentum over the +past two years, and we want to make sure that any open source efforts +don't impact the viability of that effort. +/p +p +In other words, Sun doesn't give a hoot about whether J2EE licensing +restricts open source J2EE products (in case you missed it, it does). +Thus, the Apache Software Foundation's involvement in the Java Community +Process (JCP) is simply an advertising statement for Sun to claim that +they have a 'vision which uses open standards and non-proprietary +interfaces'. If you would like to express your opinions of Sun's +licensing terms, feel free to contact a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]/a and let us know what you +think. Thanks. +/p +/blockquote +/p + /td/tr + trtdbr//td/tr +/table +table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 width=100% + trtd bgcolor=#525D76 +font color=#ff face=arial,helvetica,sanserif a name=WelcomestrongWelcome/strong/a /font /td/tr 1.21 +28 -0 jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml Index: index.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml,v retrieving revision 1.20 retrieving revision 1.21 diff -u -r1.20 -r1.21 --- index.xml 20 Jan 2002 16:28:07 - 1.20 +++ index.xml 30 Jan 2002 21:53:03 - 1.21 @@ -9,6 +9,34 @@ body +section name=That flaming fireball in the sky... +p +In a recent a +href=http://www.theserverside.com/resources/article.jsp?l=SunInterview; +article/a, Karen Tegan, Director of J2EE Compatibility and Platform +Services for Sun Microsystems, had the following to say: +/p + +p +The J2EE Compatible brand has achieved significant momentum over the +past two years, and we want to make sure that any open source efforts +don't impact the viability of that effort. +/p + +p +In other words, Sun doesn't give a hoot about whether J2EE licensing +restricts open source J2EE products (in case you missed it, it does). +Thus, the Apache Software Foundation's involvement in the Java Community +Process (JCP) is simply an advertising statement for Sun to claim that +they have a 'vision which uses open standards and non-proprietary +interfaces'. If you would like to express your opinions of Sun's +licensing terms, feel free to contact a +href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]/a and let us know what you +think. Thanks. +/p + +/section + section name=Welcome !-- ApacheCon is over. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml]
Why is that? -Original Message- From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 2:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml] I'm not comfortable with carrying this type of editorial matter at the top of the home page, and would like to move it to the news and status page. -Ted. Original Message Subject: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml Date: 30 Jan 2002 21:53:04 - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Jakarta WebSite CVS List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jon 02/01/30 13:53:04 Modified:docs index.html xdocsindex.xml Log: lets have a little fun. Revision ChangesPath 1.52 +32 -0 jakarta-site2/docs/index.html Index: index.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/index.html,v retrieving revision 1.51 retrieving revision 1.52 diff -u -r1.51 -r1.52 --- index.html 29 Jan 2002 01:47:06 - 1.51 +++ index.html 30 Jan 2002 21:53:03 - 1.52 @@ -140,6 +140,38 @@ table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 width=100% trtd bgcolor=#525D76 font color=#ff face=arial,helvetica,sanserif + a name=That flaming fireball in the sky...strongThat flaming fireball in the sky.../strong/a +/font + /td/tr + trtd +blockquote +p +In a recent a href=http://www.theserverside.com/resources/article.jsp?l=Sun Interviewarticle/a, Karen Tegan, Director of J2EE Compatibility and Platform +Services for Sun Microsystems, had the following to say: +/p +p +The J2EE Compatible brand has achieved significant momentum over the +past two years, and we want to make sure that any open source efforts +don't impact the viability of that effort. +/p +p +In other words, Sun doesn't give a hoot about whether J2EE licensing +restricts open source J2EE products (in case you missed it, it does). +Thus, the Apache Software Foundation's involvement in the Java Community +Process (JCP) is simply an advertising statement for Sun to claim that +they have a 'vision which uses open standards and non-proprietary +interfaces'. If you would like to express your opinions of Sun's +licensing terms, feel free to contact a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]/a and let us know what you +think. Thanks. +/p +/blockquote +/p + /td/tr + trtdbr//td/tr +/table +table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 width=100% + trtd bgcolor=#525D76 +font color=#ff face=arial,helvetica,sanserif a name=WelcomestrongWelcome/strong/a /font /td/tr 1.21 +28 -0 jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml Index: index.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml,v retrieving revision 1.20 retrieving revision 1.21 diff -u -r1.20 -r1.21 --- index.xml 20 Jan 2002 16:28:07 - 1.20 +++ index.xml 30 Jan 2002 21:53:03 - 1.21 @@ -9,6 +9,34 @@ body +section name=That flaming fireball in the sky... +p +In a recent a +href=http://www.theserverside.com/resources/article.jsp?l=Su nInterview + +article/a, Karen Tegan, Director of J2EE Compatibility and Platform +Services for Sun Microsystems, had the following to say: +/p + +p +The J2EE Compatible brand has achieved significant momentum over the +past two years, and we want to make sure that any open source efforts +don't impact the viability of that effort. +/p + +p +In other words, Sun doesn't give a hoot about whether J2EE licensing +restricts open source J2EE products (in case you missed it, it does). +Thus, the Apache Software Foundation's involvement in the Java Community +Process (JCP) is simply an advertising statement for Sun to claim that +they have a 'vision which uses open standards and non-proprietary +interfaces'. If you would like to express your opinions of Sun's +licensing terms, feel free to contact a +href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]/a and let us know what you +think. Thanks. +/p + +/section + section name=Welcome !-- ApacheCon is over. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml]
Sometimes I (argh!) love Jon! =;o) Paulo -Original Message- From: Scott Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 11:07 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: RE: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml] Why is that? -Original Message- From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 2:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml] I'm not comfortable with carrying this type of editorial matter at the top of the home page, and would like to move it to the news and status page. -Ted. Original Message Subject: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml Date: 30 Jan 2002 21:53:04 - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Jakarta WebSite CVS List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jon 02/01/30 13:53:04 Modified:docs index.html xdocsindex.xml Log: lets have a little fun. Revision ChangesPath 1.52 +32 -0 jakarta-site2/docs/index.html Index: index.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/index.html,v retrieving revision 1.51 retrieving revision 1.52 diff -u -r1.51 -r1.52 --- index.html29 Jan 2002 01:47:06 - 1.51 +++ index.html30 Jan 2002 21:53:03 - 1.52 @@ -140,6 +140,38 @@ table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 width=100% trtd bgcolor=#525D76 font color=#ff face=arial,helvetica,sanserif + a name=That flaming fireball in the sky...strongThat flaming fireball in the sky.../strong/a +/font + /td/tr + trtd +blockquote +p +In a recent a href=http://www.theserverside.com/resources/article.jsp?l=Sun Interviewarticle/a, Karen Tegan, Director of J2EE Compatibility and Platform +Services for Sun Microsystems, had the following to say: +/p +p +The J2EE Compatible brand has achieved significant momentum over the +past two years, and we want to make sure that any open source efforts +don't impact the viability of that effort. +/p +p +In other words, Sun doesn't give a hoot about whether J2EE licensing +restricts open source J2EE products (in case you missed it, it does). +Thus, the Apache Software Foundation's involvement in the Java Community +Process (JCP) is simply an advertising statement for Sun to claim that +they have a 'vision which uses open standards and non-proprietary +interfaces'. If you would like to express your opinions of Sun's +licensing terms, feel free to contact a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]/a and let us know what you +think. Thanks. +/p +/blockquote +/p + /td/tr + trtdbr//td/tr +/table +table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 width=100% + trtd bgcolor=#525D76 +font color=#ff face=arial,helvetica,sanserif a name=WelcomestrongWelcome/strong/a /font /td/tr 1.21 +28 -0 jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml Index: index.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml,v retrieving revision 1.20 retrieving revision 1.21 diff -u -r1.20 -r1.21 --- index.xml 20 Jan 2002 16:28:07 - 1.20 +++ index.xml 30 Jan 2002 21:53:03 - 1.21 @@ -9,6 +9,34 @@ body +section name=That flaming fireball in the sky... +p +In a recent a +href=http://www.theserverside.com/resources/article.jsp?l=Su nInterview + +article/a, Karen Tegan, Director of J2EE Compatibility and Platform +Services for Sun Microsystems, had the following to say: +/p + +p +The J2EE Compatible brand has achieved significant momentum over the +past two years, and we want to make sure that any open source efforts +don't impact the viability of that effort. +/p + +p +In other words, Sun doesn't give a hoot about whether J2EE licensing +restricts open source J2EE products (in case you missed it, it does). +Thus, the Apache Software Foundation's involvement in the Java Community +Process (JCP) is simply an advertising statement for Sun to claim that +they have a 'vision which uses open standards and non-proprietary +interfaces'. If you would like to express your
RE: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml]
My only issue and I guess this is directed more at you Jon, is it doesn't give me a clear idea about what we want. Can you give me a good idea and I'll be glad to submit a patch to that effect. It just seems like we should be asking for something and being specific. -Andy On Wed, 2002-01-30 at 17:53, Paulo Gaspar wrote: Sometimes I (argh!) love Jon! =;o) Paulo -Original Message- From: Scott Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 11:07 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: RE: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml] Why is that? -Original Message- From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 2:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml] I'm not comfortable with carrying this type of editorial matter at the top of the home page, and would like to move it to the news and status page. -Ted. Original Message Subject: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml Date: 30 Jan 2002 21:53:04 - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Jakarta WebSite CVS List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jon 02/01/30 13:53:04 Modified:docs index.html xdocsindex.xml Log: lets have a little fun. Revision ChangesPath 1.52 +32 -0 jakarta-site2/docs/index.html Index: index.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/index.html,v retrieving revision 1.51 retrieving revision 1.52 diff -u -r1.51 -r1.52 --- index.html 29 Jan 2002 01:47:06 - 1.51 +++ index.html 30 Jan 2002 21:53:03 - 1.52 @@ -140,6 +140,38 @@ table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 width=100% trtd bgcolor=#525D76 font color=#ff face=arial,helvetica,sanserif + a name=That flaming fireball in the sky...strongThat flaming fireball in the sky.../strong/a +/font + /td/tr + trtd +blockquote +p +In a recent a href=http://www.theserverside.com/resources/article.jsp?l=Sun Interviewarticle/a, Karen Tegan, Director of J2EE Compatibility and Platform +Services for Sun Microsystems, had the following to say: +/p +p +The J2EE Compatible brand has achieved significant momentum over the +past two years, and we want to make sure that any open source efforts +don't impact the viability of that effort. +/p +p +In other words, Sun doesn't give a hoot about whether J2EE licensing +restricts open source J2EE products (in case you missed it, it does). +Thus, the Apache Software Foundation's involvement in the Java Community +Process (JCP) is simply an advertising statement for Sun to claim that +they have a 'vision which uses open standards and non-proprietary +interfaces'. If you would like to express your opinions of Sun's +licensing terms, feel free to contact a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]/a and let us know what you +think. Thanks. +/p +/blockquote +/p + /td/tr + trtdbr//td/tr +/table +table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 width=100% + trtd bgcolor=#525D76 +font color=#ff face=arial,helvetica,sanserif a name=WelcomestrongWelcome/strong/a /font /td/tr 1.21 +28 -0 jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml Index: index.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml,v retrieving revision 1.20 retrieving revision 1.21 diff -u -r1.20 -r1.21 --- index.xml 20 Jan 2002 16:28:07 - 1.20 +++ index.xml 30 Jan 2002 21:53:03 - 1.21 @@ -9,6 +9,34 @@ body +section name=That flaming fireball in the sky... +p +In a recent a +href=http://www.theserverside.com/resources/article.jsp?l=Su nInterview + +article/a, Karen Tegan, Director of J2EE Compatibility and Platform +Services for Sun Microsystems, had the following to say: +/p + +p +The J2EE Compatible brand has achieved significant momentum over the +past two years, and we want to make sure that any open source efforts +don't impact the viability of that effort
RE: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml]
I still say we need to say This is what we want not just This is f*cked up. I think we should follow similar rules as to writing a letter of complaint (even if it has a certain Jon/Apache-like flare) -Andy On Wed, 2002-01-30 at 18:01, Scott Sanders wrote: +1. + 1! Why should Apache be silent if the process in NOT open? Publicity is what this needs. C# is more open than the JCP, and that is really, really sad. If we can't express these opinions, who will? I am personally glad that jon is the outspoken person that he is. If he wasn't, would have the balls to publish that??? I cannot guess anyone right off. Scott Sanders -Original Message- From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 2:59 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml] The Java Community Process (JCP) is not a community process at all. It's a way for Sun Inc. to claim they are open. You know it. I know it. Sun knows it. Let's stop deluding ourselves shall we? I say we move that flaming fireball to the home page of *Apache*. -- Ceki At 17:10 30.01.2002 -0500, Ted Husted wrote: I'm not comfortable with carrying this type of editorial matter at the top of the home page, and would like to move it to the news and status page. -Ted. Original Message Subject: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml Date: 30 Jan 2002 21:53:04 - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Jakarta WebSite CVS List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] jon 02/01/30 13:53:04 Modified:docs index.html xdocsindex.xml Log: lets have a little fun. Revision ChangesPath 1.52 +32 -0 jakarta-site2/docs/index.html Index: index.html === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/docs/index.html,v retrieving revision 1.51 retrieving revision 1.52 diff -u -r1.51 -r1.52 --- index.html29 Jan 2002 01:47:06 - 1.51 +++ index.html30 Jan 2002 21:53:03 - 1.52 @@ -140,6 +140,38 @@ table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 width=100% trtd bgcolor=#525D76 font color=#ff face=arial,helvetica,sanserif + a name=That flaming fireball in the sky...strongThat flaming fireball in the sky.../strong/a +/font + /td/tr + trtd +blockquote +p +In a recent a href=http://www.theserverside.com/resources/article.jsp?l=Su nInterview article/a, Karen Tegan, Director of J2EE Compatibility and Platform +Services for Sun Microsystems, had the following to say: +/p +p +The J2EE Compatible brand has achieved significant momentum over the +past two years, and we want to make sure that any open source efforts +don't impact the viability of that effort. +/p +p +In other words, Sun doesn't give a hoot about whether J2EE licensing +restricts open source J2EE products (in case you missed it, it does). +Thus, the Apache Software Foundation's involvement in the Java Community +Process (JCP) is simply an advertising statement for Sun to claim that +they have a 'vision which uses open standards and non-proprietary +interfaces'. If you would like to express your opinions of Sun's +licensing terms, feel free to contact a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]/a and let us know what you +think. Thanks. +/p +/blockquote +/p + /td/tr + trtdbr//td/tr +/table +table border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 width=100% + trtd bgcolor=#525D76 +font color=#ff face=arial,helvetica,sanserif a name=WelcomestrongWelcome/strong/a /font /td/tr 1.21 +28 -0 jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml Index: index.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/xdocs/index.xml,v retrieving revision 1.20 retrieving revision 1.21 diff -u -r1.20 -r1.21 --- index.xml 20 Jan 2002 16:28:07 - 1.20 +++ index.xml 30 Jan 2002 21:53:03 - 1.21 @@ -9,6 +9,34 @@ body +section name=That flaming fireball in the sky... +p +In a recent a +href=http://www.theserverside.com/resources/article.jsp?l=S unIntervie +w +article/a, Karen Tegan, Director of J2EE Compatibility and Platform
Re: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml]
on 2002.1.30 4:15 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My only issue and I guess this is directed more at you Jon, is it doesn't give me a clear idea about what we want. Can you give me a good idea and I'll be glad to submit a patch to that effect. It just seems like we should be asking for something and being specific. -Andy That is a very good point. However, privately, Sun knows exactly what we want. There is still some stuff that goes on behind the scenes around here that unfortunately isn't exposed. Needless to say, discussions about opening some of that up (including posting what we want to the public site) are going on now. This is fun. p.s. The spec lead for JSR107 had a nice response to my complaints about the license issues for that JSR. It went something like this: As for the license, I can find no mention of Oracle requesting any money for anything. I seriously doubt if this license is significantly different than licenses for JSP's sponsored by other companies. Uh. Yea. Whatever dude. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml]
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:58, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: For starters: I think the J2EE stuff should be under at least the same license as the rest of the JDK. I think it is - or at least it used to be? The J2EE trademark is protected as much as the Java trademark is - in some ways less in some ways more. Ask Sun whether you can have an opensource java impl and they will say no because we haven't revealed it all. The differenceis that J2EE also has significantly more IP tied up in it that would possibly make it a difficult proposition to cleanly rewrite - though this is the same with some parts of core java classes (ie RMI and friends). In truth J2EE is kind of a scam. It claims to be aiming for compatibility and universality but the truth is the vendors play too big of a role in it. They want to have lots of room for proprietary extensions. Its market one thing but actually sell another. Isn't that the best way to advance technology? Leave room for vendors to play and when the vendors have played with a feature long enough, merge the best ideas together and develope a spec. It was a lot worse in past but with auxilliary APIs/JSRs like deployment and management APIs coming out. -- Cheers, Pete --- I would like to take you seriously but to do so would affront your intelligence -William F. Buckley, JR --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]