OT: gentoo-kindergarten (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML)
I want a gentoo-kindergarten list, where useless discussions like this (sub)thread can be directed to. kids, grow up! pgpJFDJFTgIVf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: gentoo-kindergarten (was: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML)
On 6/13/07, Thilo Bangert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I want a gentoo-kindergarten list, where useless discussions like this
(sub)thread can be directed to.
kids, grow up!
*cries in his corner*
Yes mummy
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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
Mike Doty wrote: George Prowse wrote: Kumba wrote: Kumba wrote: So I'm told debian has one of these types of MLs, probably where the flames burn bright enough to have earned a star designation from the IAU. Given what's been going on lately, and with calls from myself and others (i.e., mcummings) to get back on track and actually like, you know, develop something, I think it's high time we create this list ourselves. [snip] Anyways, thoughts? Bug #181368 is filed. Those seeking this reply-to non-munging will probably want to post a note there and let infra decide on that matter. Lets try and make this work, k? --Kumba I say, just to be ironic, let the proctors decide and not infra :D just to be ironic, infra makes the decision on new lists :Q That would be the point of the irony... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
Philip Webb wrote: 070607 Kumba wrote: what should we call it? Vote on this! If users have votes ... Since I'm pretty much the pikachu-loving nutball that proposed this, I don't see why not. Users are as much a part of Gentoo as the developers are. --Kumba -- Gentoo/MIPS Team Lead Such is oft the course of deeds that move the wheels of the world: small hands do them because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere. --Elrond -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
Kumba wrote: what should we call it? Vote on this! If users have votes ... Then I'd vote for gentoo-project. It seems to me that politics covers just a part of all possible non-technical topics. Depends on how you define politics though. Roman pgpUqVXAIRKN3.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
Kumba wrote: gentoo-politics gentoo-circuits gentoo-soap gentoo-project gentoo-gossip gentoo-drama - theatrical events every day, no feeling were hurt while filming the show* gentoo-chats - mindless discussions about non issues gentoo-rhetorics - exercise your language skills gentoo-pub - beer plans and other stuff, please bring the snacks. lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
Kumba wrote: So I'm told debian has one of these types of MLs, probably where the flames burn bright enough to have earned a star designation from the IAU. Given what's been going on lately, and with calls from myself and others (i.e., mcummings) to get back on track and actually like, you know, develop something, I think it's high time we create this list ourselves. [snip] Anyways, thoughts? Bug #181368 is filed. Those seeking this reply-to non-munging will probably want to post a note there and let infra decide on that matter. Lets try and make this work, k? --Kumba -- Gentoo/MIPS Team Lead Such is oft the course of deeds that move the wheels of the world: small hands do them because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere. --Elrond -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
Kumba wrote: Kumba wrote: So I'm told debian has one of these types of MLs, probably where the flames burn bright enough to have earned a star designation from the IAU. Given what's been going on lately, and with calls from myself and others (i.e., mcummings) to get back on track and actually like, you know, develop something, I think it's high time we create this list ourselves. [snip] Anyways, thoughts? Bug #181368 is filed. Those seeking this reply-to non-munging will probably want to post a note there and let infra decide on that matter. Lets try and make this work, k? --Kumba I say, just to be ironic, let the proctors decide and not infra :D -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
George Prowse wrote: Kumba wrote: Kumba wrote: So I'm told debian has one of these types of MLs, probably where the flames burn bright enough to have earned a star designation from the IAU. Given what's been going on lately, and with calls from myself and others (i.e., mcummings) to get back on track and actually like, you know, develop something, I think it's high time we create this list ourselves. [snip] Anyways, thoughts? Bug #181368 is filed. Those seeking this reply-to non-munging will probably want to post a note there and let infra decide on that matter. Lets try and make this work, k? --Kumba I say, just to be ironic, let the proctors decide and not infra :D just to be ironic, infra makes the decision on new lists :Q -- === Mike Doty kingtaco -at- gentoo.org Gentoo Council Gentoo Infrastructure Gentoo/AMD64 Strategic Lead GPG: E1A5 1C9C 93FE F430 C1D6 F2AF 806B A2E4 19F4 AE05 === -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
Mike Doty wrote: George Prowse wrote: Kumba wrote: Kumba wrote: So I'm told debian has one of these types of MLs, probably where the flames burn bright enough to have earned a star designation from the IAU. Given what's been going on lately, and with calls from myself and others (i.e., mcummings) to get back on track and actually like, you know, develop something, I think it's high time we create this list ourselves. [snip] Anyways, thoughts? Bug #181368 is filed. Those seeking this reply-to non-munging will probably want to post a note there and let infra decide on that matter. Lets try and make this work, k? --Kumba I say, just to be ironic, let the proctors decide and not infra :D just to be ironic, infra makes the decision on new lists :Q 0wned. --Kumba -- Gentoo/MIPS Team Lead Such is oft the course of deeds that move the wheels of the world: small hands do them because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere. --Elrond -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kumba wrote: So I'm told debian has one of these types of MLs, probably where the flames burn bright enough to have earned a star designation from the IAU. Given what's been going on lately, and with calls from myself and others (i.e., mcummings) to get back on track and actually like, you know, develop something, I think it's high time we create this list ourselves. Anyways, thoughts? --Kumba I like the idea. - -- Luis F. Araujo araujo at gentoo.org Gentoo Linux -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGZ6p3aTNpke9pJcURAkiEAJ0YK3dO0h4182ZHLN91NTK8YiKzBACfbdji XYxB8IyKtqcvjMA+jIJxp3Q= =X3lK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
On 6/7/07, Kumba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyways, thoughts?
--Kumba
+1
possible alternative names: gentoo-soap, gentoo-gossip ( not to be
confused with net-im/gossip )
And just for fits and giggles, the occasional person can start a fake
flame war just to keep us on our toes as to whats a flame war, and
whats just devs moaning for the simple sake of moaning. =P
Just one q, ... is there like a green team?, not much a fan for blue's
or reds atm ( well, not in my country anyway, colours do seem to be a
little country specific sometimes)
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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kumba wrote: And maybe a dev who secretly dabbles in another OSlike Wind...err, Ubuntu! I thought this position has been already filled :) - -- Vlastimil Babka (Caster) Gentoo/Java -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGZ7RLtbrAj05h3oQRAgicAKCnwCpAjx7F5YiDUsBWfwfBpNiGwACeM8ou ZBE6/M41qXeJ6ZUc68tvKGg= =KmFY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
Kumba wrote: So anyways, I'm all for this list, humour aside. It's blatantly obvious people need a place to vent at times, and I think that by separating the politics from the technical discussion, it might help in some way. Yes, it'll also be the source of many problems too. I can't envision what they might be, but I know they'd exist. I'm ok with it, just I'd like to have it available as gentoo-fortune please. (btw I'd like to see the quotebot back from the old ages!) lu -- Luca Barbato Gentoo/linux Gentoo/PPC http://dev.gentoo.org/~lu_zero -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
On Thursday 07 June 2007 09:10:41 Kent Fredric wrote: On 6/7/07, Kumba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyways, thoughts? --Kumba +1 +1 here too possible alternative names: gentoo-soap, gentoo-gossip ( not to be confused with net-im/gossip ) gentoo-soap, lol! signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
Kent Fredric wrote: possible alternative names: gentoo-soap, gentoo-gossip ( not to be confused with net-im/gossip ) Please, please, make it gentoo-circuits [1]. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_My_Circuits Yours faithfully, -jkt -- cd /local/pub more beer /dev/mouth signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 02:19:55 -0400 Kumba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I'm told debian has one of these types of MLs, probably where the flames burn bright enough to have earned a star designation from the IAU. Given what's been going on lately, and with calls from myself and others (i.e., mcummings) to get back on track and actually like, you know, develop something, I think it's high time we create this list ourselves. Do you really think people would voluntarily use it? That's an honest question, maybe people are fair enough to do it, but I have serious doubts about it. It's of no use if people have to be told to move threads from -dev to that new list. Marius -- Marius Mauch [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
Christian Parpart wrote: +1 here too possible alternative names: gentoo-soap, gentoo-gossip ( not to be confused with net-im/gossip ) gentoo-soap, lol! And these are the Flames of our Lives... --Kumba -- Gentoo/MIPS Team Lead Such is oft the course of deeds that move the wheels of the world: small hands do them because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere. --Elrond -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
Luca Barbato wrote: I'm ok with it, just I'd like to have it available as gentoo-fortune please. (btw I'd like to see the quotebot back from the old ages!) Oh, I could easily see the quote package for gentoo-politics (or whatever its called) raising much laughter (among other things). And yes, the quote bot needs to return! So I can stop storing quotes in my bot hiding off on another network :P --Kumba -- Gentoo/MIPS Team Lead Such is oft the course of deeds that move the wheels of the world: small hands do them because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere. --Elrond -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
Marius Mauch wrote:
Do you really think people would voluntarily use it? That's an honest question,
maybe people are fair enough to do it, but I have serious doubts about it. It's
of no use if people have to be told to move threads from -dev to that new list.
Most of what I wrote was tongue-in-cheek, but the point was that -dev is far too
often filled with non-technical issues that ultimately result into flame wars of
the likes that'd humble mighty Troy herself. It is also our primary list for
discussion of all-things gentoo, and so the -dev moniker doesn't even really fit
right now.
By separating the technical and non-technical, and allowing people to
voluntarily subscribe to the -politics one or not (since -dev is basically a
requirement for devship), My hope is that -dev finally gets back on track as
being purely technical. That is, PMS discussions, ebuild additions/removals,
new developer intros, why quoting variables like ${S} is safer than not quoting
them in ebuilds, questions about bash-fu, and so on. These belong on -dev.
The rest, the non-technical, can go elsewhere, IMHO, and people are free to
subscribe to it if they wish to participate in the discussions there or not. I
myself would likely stay off that list, because I care more about technical
things. I live ~30mi outside of the DC Beltway; I get enough politics as it is.
Think about it -- I'm 30mi away from Wolf Blitzer. Scary stuff man.
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Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
Marius Mauch wrote: Do you really think people would voluntarily use it? That's an honest question, maybe people are fair enough to do it, but I have serious doubts about it. It's of no use if people have to be told to move threads from -dev to that new list. We might need some sort of enforcement for that particular purpose. While I think that behavior proctors are inappropriate, I think that people with ability to say move this thread to gentoo-politics or else.. for non-technical threads, as well as stop failing to use logic in your technical discussion or else... with power to temporarily ban people for non-compliance could be a useful thing. Marius -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
070607 Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote: people with ability to say move this to gentoo-politics or else.. for non-technical threads, as well as stop failing to use logic in your technical discussion or else... with power to temporarily ban people for non-compliance could be a useful thing. I've also previously thought a 'gentoo-pol' list wb an improvement, leaving 'gentoo-dev' for genuine development discussions announcements. The former should have fairly free speech, but some users/devs might choose not to subscribe, if the noise tended to outweigh the messages. Its principal attraction wb to relieve '-dev', as you describe. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote: Marius Mauch wrote: Do you really think people would voluntarily use it? That's an honest question, maybe people are fair enough to do it, but I have serious doubts about it. It's of no use if people have to be told to move threads from -dev to that new list. We might need some sort of enforcement for that particular purpose. While I think that behavior proctors are inappropriate, I think that people with ability to say move this thread to gentoo-politics or else.. for non-technical threads, as well as stop failing to use logic in your technical discussion or else... with power to temporarily ban people for non-compliance could be a useful thing. Marius No can do - temporarily banning is a bad thing, its censorship, and we can't have that, no sir. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGaDc51c+EtXTHkJcRAlS4AJ9iUXc8uMBSJa0CRzzL5IrbIjvRagCfYoNv BC0ftD75Sm5yFvRBPBoj2Dw= =EHWQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:50:02 -0500 Steev Klimaszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No can do - temporarily banning is a bad thing, its censorship, and we can't have that, no sir. It's censorship when it's being done one-sidedly in order to skew an argument based upon the prejudices of those doing the banning. -- Ciaran McCreesh signature.asc Description: PGP signature
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Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:50:02 -0500 Steev Klimaszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No can do - temporarily banning is a bad thing, its censorship, and we can't have that, no sir. It's censorship when it's being done one-sidedly in order to skew an argument based upon the prejudices of those doing the banning. Or if it's done to you. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
Ciaran McCreesh wrote: On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 11:50:02 -0500 Steev Klimaszewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No can do - temporarily banning is a bad thing, its censorship, and we can't have that, no sir. It's censorship when it's being done one-sidedly in order to skew an argument based upon the prejudices of those doing the banning. Correct you are, your technical knowledge is still sharp as a tack. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
Steev Klimaszewski wrote: Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote: Marius Mauch wrote: Do you really think people would voluntarily use it? That's an honest question, maybe people are fair enough to do it, but I have serious doubts about it. It's of no use if people have to be told to move threads from -dev to that new list. We might need some sort of enforcement for that particular purpose. While I think that behavior proctors are inappropriate, I think that people with ability to say move this thread to gentoo-politics or else.. for non-technical threads, as well as stop failing to use logic in your technical discussion or else... with power to temporarily ban people for non-compliance could be a useful thing. Marius No can do - temporarily banning is a bad thing, its censorship, and we can't have that, no sir. I'll presume this to be irony. Oh. Sorry, can't have that on this list today. Please ban yourself for 24hours. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote: Steev Klimaszewski wrote: Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote: Marius Mauch wrote: Do you really think people would voluntarily use it? That's an honest question, maybe people are fair enough to do it, but I have serious doubts about it. It's of no use if people have to be told to move threads from -dev to that new list. We might need some sort of enforcement for that particular purpose. While I think that behavior proctors are inappropriate, I think that people with ability to say move this thread to gentoo-politics or else.. for non-technical threads, as well as stop failing to use logic in your technical discussion or else... with power to temporarily ban people for non-compliance could be a useful thing. Marius No can do - temporarily banning is a bad thing, its censorship, and we can't have that, no sir. I'll presume this to be irony. Oh. Sorry, can't have that on this list today. Please ban yourself for 24hours. Not irony, sarcasm, and no sir, I will not ban myself. The proctors could have though, but not since no one will listen to them and they have been completely undermined and made obsolete by an overzealous council member. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
Ilya A. Volynets-Evenbakh wrote: We might need some sort of enforcement for that particular purpose. While I think that behavior proctors are inappropriate, I think that people with ability to say move this thread to gentoo-politics or else.. for non-technical threads, as well as stop failing to use logic in your technical discussion or else... with power to temporarily ban people for non-compliance could be a useful thing. IMHO, any enforcement needs to come from the developer community themselves. We have to be careful when designating small groups of people with power, because the dark side of power is that can can be misused. The model of developers collectively enforcing works well already: the Portage Tree. While we've had small mishaps here and there, largely, the honesty system used on the tree has worked quite well. I think that can easily extend to keeping -dev technical in nature only. After all, it already works for the wayward users who posts a -user question to -dev. Just a simple, courteous note that such a question is better asked on -user, and off they go. Nothing precludes the same response for a fellow developer posting a non-technical mail into -dev. But anyways, we've got unanimous support so far, so next up: What to call it. My two choices are gentoo-politics or gentoo-project. After looking at debian-project a bit, I think there's no harm in recycling the same moniker[1] for our use as well. Amusingly enough, there's even a thread on their ML today about discussion of of-topic topics. The rest of the content there seems to be right in line with what's been on here too as of late. So, what should we call it? Vote on this! I think the current popular names are the following (in no particular order, just what I've already seen suggested): gentoo-politics gentoo-circuits gentoo-soap gentoo-project gentoo-gossip [1]: http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/ --Kumba -- Gentoo/MIPS Team Lead Such is oft the course of deeds that move the wheels of the world: small hands do them because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere. --Elrond -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML
070607 Kumba wrote: what should we call it? Vote on this! If users have votes ... gentoo-politics ... that gets mine: let's keep it quite clear what it is. -- ,, SUPPORT ___//___, Philip Webb : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ELECTRIC /] [] [] [] [] []| Centre for Urban Community Studies TRANSIT`-O--O---' University of Toronto -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
