Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3
In the instructions here, I've set up a revised dev-manager ebuild in an overlay. I've requested the changes to be incorporated into the official ebuild and it appears to have been accepted. See... https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=395319 It should be rolled out eventually, and the overlay won't be necessary. I think I've found one item so far that requires udev. My laptop's graphics chip needs a binary blob from radeon-ucode. That binary blob, in turn, requires the presence of /usr/lib/libudev.so.0 which is a symlink to /usr/lib/libudev.so.0.9.3 (which is also required). I can emerge udev move or copy the 2 files over to /root unmerge udev move or copy the 2 files from /root to /usr/lib/ and it still works. Note that /usr/lib/ is a symlink to /usr/lib64 on my 64-bit gentoo. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 17:04, Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org wrote:
In the instructions here, I've set up a revised dev-manager ebuild in
an overlay. I've requested the changes to be incorporated into the
official ebuild and it appears to have been accepted. See...
https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=395319
It should be rolled out eventually, and the overlay won't be necessary.
Cool! :D
I think I've found one item so far that requires udev. My laptop's
graphics chip needs a binary blob from radeon-ucode. That binary blob,
in turn, requires the presence of /usr/lib/libudev.so.0 which is a
symlink to /usr/lib/libudev.so.0.9.3 (which is also required). I can
emerge udev
move or copy the 2 files over to /root
unmerge udev
move or copy the 2 files from /root to /usr/lib/
and it still works. Note that /usr/lib/ is a symlink to /usr/lib64 on my
64-bit gentoo.
Well it doesn't need udev itself, just libudev.
But if the binary blob is hard-coded to search for
/usr/lib/libudev.so.0{,.9.3}, that means /usr must exist at
boot-time...
... or at least /usr/lib/libudev.so.0{,.9.3}
IMO, providing 1 file (+ 1 symlink) is still much better than having
to provide the *whole* /usr tree during boot-time.
Now, what's needed is to catalog (1) essential boot-time devs that
can't be handled by mdev, and (2) essential files that need to exist
under /usr during boot-time.
#1 should be interesting for busybox upstream, while #2 will be
necessary for those trying to wean themselves off udev :-)
We're one step closer to an udev-free Gentoo, yay!
(Come to think of it, has *any* distro ever attempted this...
'unconventional of going udev-free?)
Rgds,
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Re: [gentoo-user] Konsole issue
emerge smartmontools then when that is done, do this: smartctl -t long /dev/sddrive letter here When you do that, it should print a message that tells when the test will complete. It is usually a 24 hour format thing too. This can run while the drive is in use too. Sometime after that time, run this command: smartctl -l selftest /dev/sddrive letter here That should tell you the results of the test. If it says it passed, this is good. If it reports a problem, well it is not good. If you are lucky, it will be like a recent problem I had and reformatting will fix it. It was a weird problem but beats replacing a drive. I'm just wondering: can a tool like strace (or similar) be helpul in diagnose the problem? Maybe it could detect if konsole is trying to access a file that has too strict permissions, couldn't it? Just wondering, I never really used strace. Lorenzo -- Nothing is interesting if you're not interested.
Re: [gentoo-user] Konsole issue
Am Dienstag, 3. Januar 2012, 11:26:54 schrieb Lorenzo Bandieri: emerge smartmontools then when that is done, do this: smartctl -t long /dev/sddrive letter here When you do that, it should print a message that tells when the test will complete. It is usually a 24 hour format thing too. This can run while the drive is in use too. Sometime after that time, run this command: smartctl -l selftest /dev/sddrive letter here That should tell you the results of the test. If it says it passed, this is good. If it reports a problem, well it is not good. If you are lucky, it will be like a recent problem I had and reformatting will fix it. It was a weird problem but beats replacing a drive. I'm just wondering: can a tool like strace (or similar) be helpul in diagnose the problem? Maybe it could detect if konsole is trying to access a file that has too strict permissions, couldn't it? Just wondering, I never really used strace. Lorenzo a) we allready know where the problem hides - thanks to ~/.xession-errors your first stop when some X based app has problems. b) strace will drown you in output. c) in this case I have my doubts that the output would be helpfull at all (because I strace'd Konsole ;) ) w -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior
On Mon, 02 Jan 2012 21:00:12 -0500, Michael Orlitzky wrote: It is reasonable to assume that the answer to that question is yes. Any other answer raises the question why did Zac spend so much effort recoding portage just to piss off the odd user?. Hah! Many people here are probably employed in IT, software development, or system administration where the job description can be summed up as unfixing things that weren't broken. AFAIK, Zac is not being paid for developing portage, so making changes to justify his employment are not necessary. -- Neil Bothwick She's always late. Her ancestors arrived on the June flower. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior
On 2012-01-02 3:48 PM, Neil Bothwick n...@digimed.co.uk wrote: On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 09:29:57 -0800, Mark Knecht wrote: That works for the case where the software is managed by portage, which is likely 99.% of what's on Gentoo systems worldwide. It doesn't work however for the odd case where I write some little program which requires a library (ta-lib in my portage file) and I don't write an ebuild to build it. I've never bothered to learn to do my own ebuilds but at some level it would be a good idea, and I think it would address Mr. Orlitsky's issue about what his users need and why. That's more easily handled with sets. No ebuild writing skills are needed and there's no danger of atoms being accidentally added to the set. This sounds very interesting... Neil, is the use of sets fully documented somewhere? I don't recall reading about them in the Handbook, but its been a while since I read it (and don't remember if I ever did cover to cover)... Thanks!
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 06:49:45 -0500, Tanstaafl wrote: Neil, is the use of sets fully documented somewhere? I don't recall reading about them in the Handbook, but its been a while since I read it (and don't remember if I ever did cover to cover)... I can't recall where I found the documentation, but you can create a set in /etc/portage/sets/ with one atom per line. Then emerge @setname to install the packages. I find them really useful. For example I have a @base set listing all the packages I want on a new install (tmux, gentoolkit, portage-utils etc) so I can copy it to a new install and emerge @base to make sure I have all the tools I normally use. -- Neil Bothwick The word 'Windows' is a word out of an old dialect of the Apaches. It means: 'White man staring through glass-screen onto an hourglass...') signature.asc Description: PGP signature
[gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3
The 03/01/12, Pandu Poluan wrote: (Come to think of it, has *any* distro ever attempted this... 'unconventional of going udev-free?) mdev is not an udev replacement. It's a very minimalist udev designed for embedded systems and initramfs. These days, a full-featured system require a dynamic /dev and AFAIK the only existing and up-to-date tool for this job is udev. I don't think any other distro attempted to get free of udev as it means coming back to 10 years ago, at least. -- Nicolas Sebrecht
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3
On Jan 3, 2012 7:35 PM, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 03/01/12, Pandu Poluan wrote: (Come to think of it, has *any* distro ever attempted this... 'unconventional of going udev-free?) mdev is not an udev replacement. It's a very minimalist udev designed for embedded systems and initramfs. These days, a full-featured system require a dynamic /dev and AFAIK the only existing and up-to-date tool for this job is udev. I don't think any other distro attempted to get free of udev as it means coming back to 10 years ago, at least. For desktops, I agree. But I can see a use case for mdev completely replacing udev: servers and virtual machines. Servers, especially production ones, have a hardware change only once in every two blue moons. They don't need all the bells and whistles of udev. Even more so when you've gone the virtualized route. Since servers are arguably where Linux shines the most, mdev should be seriously considered as a udev replacement. Rgds,
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 02:00:48 Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/02/2012 07:22 PM, Dale wrote: I always knew I was odd. Looks like I have some company tho. Welcome to the odd user group Michael. It ain't us =) Nope. It ain't just you. It's me too. ;-) I'd rather the old default behaviour was retained/returned to. I have to admit even after all this time I will occasionally forget and run emerge -u some_package, only to notice that it was added into world at the end of the emerge. Even worse, it wasn't updated (because no update was available) but was just added in world all the same. Of course when I notice this I go and remove it from world manually and make a mental note not to do this again. When I miss it, the package ends up in world. :-( However, I do wonder how confused could a new user end up being with this (superficially) inconsistent behaviour. The -u option works fine on world (it just updates packages already in world, but not on individual packages (it updates *and* adds said packages in world). I understand the logic, but for the reasons explained by Michael and Dale I also prefer the old behaviour to be the default: nothing gets added in world as a result of updating alone. An enotice message that informs the user that just updating the particular package(s) does not mean they are added to the world file and won't be automatically updated when running 'emerge -u world' in the future, would educate users, along with options for adding the said packages in world. Of course, the opposite will work too; flashing a fat enotice to educate us old dogs to remember to run -1 instead of -u. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3
The 03/01/12, Pandu Poluan wrote: But I can see a use case for mdev completely replacing udev: servers and virtual machines. Servers, especially production ones, have a hardware change only once in every two blue moons. They don't need all the bells and whistles of udev. Even more so when you've gone the virtualized route. Since servers are arguably where Linux shines the most, mdev should be seriously considered as a udev replacement. But servers have enough ressources to run udev and any required initramfs to mount /usr. So, the question is where engineering should go: - mdev and manually manage /dev devices if nedded or - rely on initramfs to mount /usr. As initramfs is a prooven working solution, all distributions I know use it either by default or if needed. Also, I think the coming problem you will be face with in the mdev way is the move of binaries from /bin to /usr/bin and so. -- Nicolas Sebrecht
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3
On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 13:32:09 +0100 Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 03/01/12, Pandu Poluan wrote: (Come to think of it, has *any* distro ever attempted this... 'unconventional of going udev-free?) mdev is not an udev replacement. It's a very minimalist udev designed for embedded systems and initramfs. These days, a full-featured system require a dynamic /dev and AFAIK the only existing and up-to-date tool for this job is udev. I don't think any other distro attempted to get free of udev as it means coming back to 10 years ago, at least. If you go back through the list archives you will find the enormous thread that caused Walter to start down this road in the first place. His efforts are an attempt to deal with the gigantic bloat-fest that the udev devs seem to revel in. Walter is doing fine work, he should be supported in this. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
[gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3
The 03/01/12, Alan McKinnon wrote: If you go back through the list archives you will find the enormous thread that caused Walter to start down this road in the first place. His efforts are an attempt to deal with the gigantic bloat-fest that the udev devs seem to revel in. If you go back through the list archives you will find that I'm envolved in this thread. ,-p Walter is doing fine work, he should be supported in this. It's free software so everybody can feel free to support him, of course. I think it's time consummed in the wrong road. I'm a bit curious how long this alternative can survive. :-) -- Nicolas Sebrecht
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 20:13, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: The 03/01/12, Pandu Poluan wrote: But I can see a use case for mdev completely replacing udev: servers and virtual machines. Servers, especially production ones, have a hardware change only once in every two blue moons. They don't need all the bells and whistles of udev. Even more so when you've gone the virtualized route. Since servers are arguably where Linux shines the most, mdev should be seriously considered as a udev replacement. But servers have enough ressources to run udev and any required initramfs to mount /usr. No, no, no, you got it the wrong way around. It's not udev *per se* that I -- as a server admin -- want to get rid of. It's the initramfs. And I also want to put /usr in a separate partition. The problem is that, judging from where udev is going in upstream, we will be forced to use initramfs, or put /usr in / By migrating from udev to mdev, I am no longer forced to do either. So, the question is where engineering should go: - mdev and manually manage /dev devices if nedded or - rely on initramfs to mount /usr. As a SysAdmin, I'd prever the 1st one, thank you. Adding hardware to server is a MAJOR event, something worthy of sacrificing some goats and lambs to appease the Information Gods and Goddesses. And after the new shiny thing gets installed physically, it will be followed up -- with 109% certainty -- with some configuration in the OS. As initramfs is a prooven working solution, all distributions I know use it either by default or if needed. Then again, using initramfs is yet-another-component waiting to break. Knowing Murphy's Law, it will one day fuck up everything. Also, I think the coming problem you will be face with in the mdev way is the move of binaries from /bin to /usr/bin and so. Again, on a server, this will be a one-time affair. I can always bind-mount the /usr of / under /mnt, letting the /usr get overlaid by the /usr partition. If there's a piece of hardware that needs a piece of binary inside /usr, I'll just cp that binary into /mnt/usr/whatever to appease that piece of hardware. Rgds, -- FdS Pandu E Poluan ~ IT Optimizer ~ • LOPSA Member #15248 • Blog : http://pepoluan.tumblr.com • Linked-In : http://id.linkedin.com/in/pepoluan
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3
Am Dienstag, 3. Januar 2012, 14:36:08 schrieb Nicolas Sebrecht: The 03/01/12, Alan McKinnon wrote: If you go back through the list archives you will find the enormous thread that caused Walter to start down this road in the first place. His efforts are an attempt to deal with the gigantic bloat-fest that the udev devs seem to revel in. If you go back through the list archives you will find that I'm envolved in this thread. ,-p Walter is doing fine work, he should be supported in this. It's free software so everybody can feel free to support him, of course. I think it's time consummed in the wrong road. I'm a bit curious how long this alternative can survive. :-) since Walter does it to ease an itch he is feeling and since Walter is doing this for fun 'time consumed in the wrong road' is not an argument. Other people love to build miniature F1 cars and put them behind glass. Waste of time? From my POV sure. From theirs? Hell no! -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3
Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: The 03/01/12, Alan McKinnon wrote: If you go back through the list archives you will find the enormous thread that caused Walter to start down this road in the first place. His efforts are an attempt to deal with the gigantic bloat-fest that the udev devs seem to revel in. If you go back through the list archives you will find that I'm envolved in this thread. ,-p Walter is doing fine work, he should be supported in this. It's free software so everybody can feel free to support him, of course. I think it's time consummed in the wrong road. I'm a bit curious how long this alternative can survive. :-) Personally, I hope to turns out to be a replacement for udev, if for no other reason than to be a poke in the eye of the fedora dev that started this crap to begin with. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 02.01.2012 18:58, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/02/12 12:47, Mark Knecht wrote: Again, 'equery depends' will tell you if any package locatable through the @world hierarchy needs the package. No need to uninstall anything to do that level of investigation. revdep-rebuild -I is also useful, although more historically than now. This was essentially Michal Mol's suggestion, and I gave an example where it would remove something important. Really, the proposal to 'fix --update' doesn't address really knowing what your system is running and why. Get to the root of that and the --update thing becomes the non-issue that many of us think it is. This would be a suggestion to travel back in time and document something that I have no way of knowing now. You could create your own overlay with meta-ebuilds, e. g. system-maintenance, customer1, customer2. Inside the ebuilds you define depends on the packages the customer wants. Doing so you could wipe everything except the meta-ebuilds from world. When a customer quits you can unmerge his or her meta-ebuild and depclean. If you add everything needed to the respective meta-ebuild, you'll always be on the safe side. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPAwtEAAoJEJwwOFaNFkYcCIAIAMjC7zIVaGq0ilbfhvWW2lHh X1rsaLGcXIJDEAi6kP69aDyzqP3QSmZFXRid8B2eMLJ+1ZZI/c+VqBLgE8zDU3ai TbamRYeb/kdD2CplanLhDDkQ04DVYhYZXWBJkC7e3IL4assF+2wjiwOsG8Dh0HMh oZ3bbkaR51F5kSSl3xVcWh63B+aU7Zqc3erAjL36mBkoaTOYIYjm7f2uo9vxR2Gv 91d4l5sfrOw7JTtSDMv++6gdrnS8Imh4RrTH3Kd+rUsM2VzzCnnCrWtqTYOhP3JH LFFN55McpjLwHwc0AumG0eQZY+vk7xdS1Ev9bSCd35LwrogluPj5QVhUSwbS//8= =cJtw -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo-sources: can't make menuconfig with user? User can't access ncurses?
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 01:13:17 Gregory Shearman wrote: In linux.gentoo.user, you wrote: On Mon, 2 Jan 2012 20:58:18 -0200 Claudio Roberto França Pereira spide...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not currently at my Gentoo box, sorry for this, but if I don't post this now I'll probably forget to post it at all. Anyways, last time I tried upgrading my kernel, I copied my .config and ran make menuconfig as my main user, but it whined about missing ncurses libraries or something. After su'ing, everything went better than expected. Was that normal behavior? I remember configuring my kernel as user before. Even compiling it as user. How did you install the kernel sources? If you downloaded them as a normal user you should be able to make menuconfig; make; sudo make install just fine. If portage installed the sources, then you should configure/compile/install as root. The sources are owned by portage (IIRC) and you can't su to that user, leaving only root. Or, try adding yourself to the portage group. Personally I think that's too much effort for zero gain so I always do it as root. I use a separate output directory that is under control of the user. What I do as an ordinary user: mkdir kerneloutputdir zcat /proc/config.gz kerneloutputdir/.config # assuming you have this option set in your kernel ie the current kernel # config saved in /proc/config.gz cd /usr/src/linux # assuming that /usr/src/linux is a soft link to your new kernel # directory. make O=kerneloutputdir oldconfig # The O= makes sure that any kernel output goes to the directory under # the permissions and control of the kernel builder user rather than in # the kernel directory under root permissions. # If you want to make changes to the new kernel then: make O=kerneleoutputdir menuconfig You can then proceed with building kernel and modules. Yes, I know that make without a command will automatically build both kernel image and modules but I prefer to do things explicitly. make O=kerneleoutputdir bzImage make O=kerneleoutputdir modules You can then install the new kernel and modules as root: make O=kerneleoutputdir modules_install make O=kerneleoutputdir install You need to set the following environment variable: KBUILD_OUTPUT=kerneloutputdir This variable ensures that any emerged app can find the kernel output if necessary. I've created a script in /etc/profile.d that automatically keeps this environment variable up to date. Oh, remember to unset this variable if you do *anything* requiring a busybox build (eg genkernel). An enjoyable side-effect of this system is that when you remove an obselete kernel from your system using emerge -C oldkernelversion, everything will be removed because there are no changes, no files added to those portage added kernel directory. The kernel builder user does nothing but build new kernels. This user's home directory is a hierarchy containing current kernel builds. I've been using this system for years now, on all my gentoo systems. It is second nature. Of course, the .bash_history of the kernel builder user is *very* useful for quickly doing all this from the command line. I used to have a script to automate all this, but it is just as easy to do from the command line. What is the benefit of this approach vis a vis su to root first as the gentoo handbook suggests? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
[gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3
The 03/01/12, Pandu Poluan wrote: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 20:13, Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: But servers have enough ressources to run udev and any required initramfs to mount /usr. No, no, no, you got it the wrong way around. It's not udev *per se* that I -- as a server admin -- want to get rid of. It's the initramfs. And I also want to put /usr in a separate partition. The problem is that, judging from where udev is going in upstream, we will be forced to use initramfs, or put /usr in / I know. It's the I want to get the rid of initramfs thing that looks crazy to me. As initramfs is a prooven working solution, all distributions I know use it either by default or if needed. Then again, using initramfs is yet-another-component waiting to break. Knowing Murphy's Law, it will one day fuck up everything. And the mdev alternative won't follow this law? -- Nicolas Sebrecht
[gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3
The 03/01/12, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: Am Dienstag, 3. Januar 2012, 14:36:08 schrieb Nicolas Sebrecht: It's free software so everybody can feel free to support him, of course. I think it's time consummed in the wrong road. I'm a bit curious how long this alternative can survive. :-) since Walter does it to ease an itch he is feeling and since Walter is doing this for fun 'time consumed in the wrong road' is not an argument. Of course, it's not an argument. It's my feeling. I'm not against people hacking on crazy ideas. I do it myself when I think it worth. -- Nicolas Sebrecht
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3
On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:31:20 +0100 Nicolas Sebrecht nsebre...@piing.fr wrote: Then again, using initramfs is yet-another-component waiting to break. Knowing Murphy's Law, it will one day fuck up everything. And the mdev alternative won't follow this law? It's not immune to it, just statistically less likely to be affected. mdev sans initramfs is a less complex solution than udev plus initramfs. Ergo, all other things being equal, less bits to break. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:05:56 +0100 Hinnerk van Bruinehsen h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de wrote: Really, the proposal to 'fix --update' doesn't address really knowing what your system is running and why. Get to the root of that and the --update thing becomes the non-issue that many of us think it is. This would be a suggestion to travel back in time and document something that I have no way of knowing now. You could create your own overlay with meta-ebuilds, e. g. system-maintenance, customer1, customer2. Inside the ebuilds you define depends on the packages the customer wants. Doing so you could wipe everything except the meta-ebuilds from world. When a customer quits you can unmerge his or her meta-ebuild and depclean. If you add everything needed to the respective meta-ebuild, you'll always be on the safe side. Sets do exactly the same thing simply without all the added verbiage of an ebuild. The *only* thing required to bring about the solution you describe is the information in the *DEPEND of the meta-ebuild, and that is all that is in a set. -- Alan McKinnnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03.01.2012 15:47, Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 15:05:56 +0100 Hinnerk van Bruinehsen h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de wrote: Really, the proposal to 'fix --update' doesn't address really knowing what your system is running and why. Get to the root of that and the --update thing becomes the non-issue that many of us think it is. This would be a suggestion to travel back in time and document something that I have no way of knowing now. You could create your own overlay with meta-ebuilds, e. g. system-maintenance, customer1, customer2. Inside the ebuilds you define depends on the packages the customer wants. Doing so you could wipe everything except the meta-ebuilds from world. When a customer quits you can unmerge his or her meta-ebuild and depclean. If you add everything needed to the respective meta-ebuild, you'll always be on the safe side. Sets do exactly the same thing simply without all the added verbiage of an ebuild. The *only* thing required to bring about the solution you describe is the information in the *DEPEND of the meta-ebuild, and that is all that is in a set. Then I should try to find some information on sets (custom defined ones). Thank you for the hint! -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPAxXjAAoJEJwwOFaNFkYcP64H/0sl77a1uFXW5hL0hM1A5fSN PzKAErLc6inDRzzs0KnsDrFgkDhmPdebga2JG99IGzk+fpS77Cdu6SQUrOvkRwlF 7uzRXXCSCPxOnaHcP6ONVekeOr2HObgc6xPg1fZ8/AK2sbBozjX3N+HTgE0Wl8fW CReSK9kLmseN0YZULD0FvpuvHHs5Rda0VnFl1huY8JJWzUUOxkEkkOcrVCKjLC0I SDO4i5UCtG/pKCUby1/r1m06tR5WuiDm/hQ8/wEMB4C7/a4tZIJ0HcJjtAMYZOvH GIEP2uUIPbhC/rWwnTeM12e0ukWkNVwEnu/dyIhVhV8JOaEJi6ADgKRgimvWJo8= =d+9f -END PGP SIGNATURE-
(Was) Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior
Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: On 02.01.2012 18:58, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/02/12 12:47, Mark Knecht wrote: Again, 'equery depends' will tell you if any package locatable through the @world hierarchy needs the package. No need to uninstall anything to do that level of investigation. revdep-rebuild -I is also useful, although more historically than now. This was essentially Michal Mol's suggestion, and I gave an example where it would remove something important. Really, the proposal to 'fix --update' doesn't address really knowing what your system is running and why. Get to the root of that and the --update thing becomes the non-issue that many of us think it is. This would be a suggestion to travel back in time and document something that I have no way of knowing now. You could create your own overlay with meta-ebuilds, e. g. system-maintenance, customer1, customer2. Inside the ebuilds you define depends on the packages the customer wants. Doing so you could wipe everything except the meta-ebuilds from world. When a customer quits you can unmerge his or her meta-ebuild and depclean. If you add everything needed to the respective meta-ebuild, you'll always be on the safe side. Getting EnigMail set up on a Seamonkey/Win7 box, and Enigmail is complaining that your signature is unverified. I don't know/understand PGP/GPG all that well, but I think this is something you're supposed to be able to fix on your end. If that's not the case, let me know, and I'll get it fixed on my end. :) gpg command line and output: C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\gpg.exe gpg: Signature made 01/03/12 09:05:56 using RSA key ID 8D16461C gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found
Re: (Was) Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior
Michael Mol wrote: Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: On 02.01.2012 18:58, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/02/12 12:47, Mark Knecht wrote: Again, 'equery depends' will tell you if any package locatable through the @world hierarchy needs the package. No need to uninstall anything to do that level of investigation. revdep-rebuild -I is also useful, although more historically than now. This was essentially Michal Mol's suggestion, and I gave an example where it would remove something important. Really, the proposal to 'fix --update' doesn't address really knowing what your system is running and why. Get to the root of that and the --update thing becomes the non-issue that many of us think it is. This would be a suggestion to travel back in time and document something that I have no way of knowing now. You could create your own overlay with meta-ebuilds, e. g. system-maintenance, customer1, customer2. Inside the ebuilds you define depends on the packages the customer wants. Doing so you could wipe everything except the meta-ebuilds from world. When a customer quits you can unmerge his or her meta-ebuild and depclean. If you add everything needed to the respective meta-ebuild, you'll always be on the safe side. Getting EnigMail set up on a Seamonkey/Win7 box, and Enigmail is complaining that your signature is unverified. I don't know/understand PGP/GPG all that well, but I think this is something you're supposed to be able to fix on your end. If that's not the case, let me know, and I'll get it fixed on my end. :) gpg command line and output: C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\gpg.exe gpg: Signature made 01/03/12 09:05:56 using RSA key ID 8D16461C gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found Doh...that was supposed to go directly to Hinnerk. Reply to sender only my hind leg...
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:31:20 +0100 Nicolas Sebrechtnsebre...@piing.fr wrote: Then again, using initramfs is yet-another-component waiting to break. Knowing Murphy's Law, it will one day fuck up everything. And the mdev alternative won't follow this law? It's not immune to it, just statistically less likely to be affected. mdev sans initramfs is a less complex solution than udev plus initramfs. Ergo, all other things being equal, less bits to break. Yep. I *think* I got a init thingy to work but I'm still not sure and apparently since there was no replies to my other thread, no one else knows either. From the messages in dmesg, it looks like I have tho. Thing is, if I reboot and the init fails, I have no real clue how to fix it. I know this because I ran into this same thing on Mandriva, along with the dependency problems that is well known. The fact that Gentoo has a simple booting process is what really got me interested in Gentoo. If we are going down this road, I may check and see if the dependency problems are fixed. As bad as it is to say, Gentoo is getting more like other distros that I left or didn't want to bother with. Makes me wonder. I know I am a unique old bird but I bet I am not alone in this. It sort of comes down to this, if I can't boot because of a broken init*, I may just save my /home and data drive and install something else. Just my $0.02 worth and it ain't worth more than that I'm sure. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 05:22:09PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote (Come to think of it, has *any* distro ever attempted this... 'unconventional of going udev-free?) Alpine linux has done it http://alpinelinux.org/ Unfortunately, they're so minimalistic and server-oriented that they use uclibc instead of glibc. So Alpine is not viable as a desktop distro. Think of it as Gentoo with mdev instead of udev == Alpine with glibc instead of uclibc By the way, there's a thread on the Gentoo developer list discussing the situation, and the proposed move of a bunch of stuff to /usr. See http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?do=post_view_flat;post=245148;page=1;mh=-1;list=gentoo;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC I piped up with my proposal. We'll see what happens. -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
[gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3
The 03/01/12, Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 05:22:09PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote (Come to think of it, has *any* distro ever attempted this... 'unconventional of going udev-free?) Alpine linux has done it http://alpinelinux.org/ Unfortunately, they're so minimalistic and server-oriented that they use uclibc instead of glibc. Hugh? http://alpinelinux.org/apk/main/x86/udev -- Nicolas Sebrecht
Re: (Was) Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 14:55:38 Michael Mol wrote: Michael Mol wrote: Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: On 02.01.2012 18:58, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/02/12 12:47, Mark Knecht wrote: Again, 'equery depends' will tell you if any package locatable through the @world hierarchy needs the package. No need to uninstall anything to do that level of investigation. revdep-rebuild -I is also useful, although more historically than now. This was essentially Michal Mol's suggestion, and I gave an example where it would remove something important. Really, the proposal to 'fix --update' doesn't address really knowing what your system is running and why. Get to the root of that and the --update thing becomes the non-issue that many of us think it is. This would be a suggestion to travel back in time and document something that I have no way of knowing now. You could create your own overlay with meta-ebuilds, e. g. system-maintenance, customer1, customer2. Inside the ebuilds you define depends on the packages the customer wants. Doing so you could wipe everything except the meta-ebuilds from world. When a customer quits you can unmerge his or her meta-ebuild and depclean. If you add everything needed to the respective meta-ebuild, you'll always be on the safe side. Getting EnigMail set up on a Seamonkey/Win7 box, and Enigmail is complaining that your signature is unverified. I don't know/understand PGP/GPG all that well, but I think this is something you're supposed to be able to fix on your end. If that's not the case, let me know, and I'll get it fixed on my end. :) gpg command line and output: C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\gpg.exe gpg: Signature made 01/03/12 09:05:56 using RSA key ID 8D16461C gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found Doh...that was supposed to go directly to Hinnerk. Reply to sender only my hind leg... Looks like a recently created gpg key. Assuming the owner has uploaded it to a public key server, it seems likely that it has not propagated across the public servers yet and your enigmail plugin alerts you about it. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: (Was) Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior
Mick wrote: On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 14:55:38 Michael Mol wrote: Michael Mol wrote: Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: On 02.01.2012 18:58, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/02/12 12:47, Mark Knecht wrote: Again, 'equery depends' will tell you if any package locatable through the @world hierarchy needs the package. No need to uninstall anything to do that level of investigation. revdep-rebuild -I is also useful, although more historically than now. This was essentially Michal Mol's suggestion, and I gave an example where it would remove something important. Really, the proposal to 'fix --update' doesn't address really knowing what your system is running and why. Get to the root of that and the --update thing becomes the non-issue that many of us think it is. This would be a suggestion to travel back in time and document something that I have no way of knowing now. You could create your own overlay with meta-ebuilds, e. g. system-maintenance, customer1, customer2. Inside the ebuilds you define depends on the packages the customer wants. Doing so you could wipe everything except the meta-ebuilds from world. When a customer quits you can unmerge his or her meta-ebuild and depclean. If you add everything needed to the respective meta-ebuild, you'll always be on the safe side. Getting EnigMail set up on a Seamonkey/Win7 box, and Enigmail is complaining that your signature is unverified. I don't know/understand PGP/GPG all that well, but I think this is something you're supposed to be able to fix on your end. If that's not the case, let me know, and I'll get it fixed on my end. :) gpg command line and output: C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\gpg.exe gpg: Signature made 01/03/12 09:05:56 using RSA key ID 8D16461C gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found Doh...that was supposed to go directly to Hinnerk. Reply to sender only my hind leg... Looks like a recently created gpg key. Assuming the owner has uploaded it to a public key server, it seems likely that it has not propagated across the public servers yet and your enigmail plugin alerts you about it. Mick, yours gives me the same error: gpg command line and output: C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\gpg.exe gpg: Signature made 01/03/12 11:01:03 using DSA key ID 792968B6 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found Though trying querying for 8D16461C or 792968B6 at pool.sks-keyservers.net or subkeys.pgp.net gives me no key found errors.
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 15:22:29 Walter Dnes wrote: On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 05:22:09PM +0700, Pandu Poluan wrote (Come to think of it, has *any* distro ever attempted this... 'unconventional of going udev-free?) Alpine linux has done it http://alpinelinux.org/ Unfortunately, they're so minimalistic and server-oriented that they use uclibc instead of glibc. So Alpine is not viable as a desktop distro. Think of it as Gentoo with mdev instead of udev == Alpine with glibc instead of uclibc By the way, there's a thread on the Gentoo developer list discussing the situation, and the proposed move of a bunch of stuff to /usr. See http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/engine?do=post_view_flat;post=245148; page=1;mh=-1;list=gentoo;sb=post_latest_reply;so=ASC I piped up with my proposal. We'll see what happens. I'd like to thank Walter for doing something about this and Pandu for testing it, rather than just wingeing (like I did). :p I don't hold any hope that mdev will replace udev, but that this effort may go someway to influence the development philosophy that has been entertained to date with udev. A philosophy that removes choice and flexibility. This is felt more by Gentoo users, because Gentoo as we know is not a binary distro and the needs of its users are more nuanced and eclectic. As I recall from this mammoth thread mdev is one option, a staged mounting of devices/running of scripts by udev is another. Anything that will make udev devs to stop for a minute and think again the impact of their choices on the overall Linux community will be of benefit. If Walter's good effort bring this about I would be more than happy to support him, although with a laptop using mdev may not be my immediate preferred solution. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: (Was) Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior
Mick wrote: On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 14:55:38 Michael Mol wrote: Michael Mol wrote: Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: On 02.01.2012 18:58, Michael Orlitzky wrote: On 01/02/12 12:47, Mark Knecht wrote: Again, 'equery depends' will tell you if any package locatable through the @world hierarchy needs the package. No need to uninstall anything to do that level of investigation. revdep-rebuild -I is also useful, although more historically than now. This was essentially Michal Mol's suggestion, and I gave an example where it would remove something important. Really, the proposal to 'fix --update' doesn't address really knowing what your system is running and why. Get to the root of that and the --update thing becomes the non-issue that many of us think it is. This would be a suggestion to travel back in time and document something that I have no way of knowing now. You could create your own overlay with meta-ebuilds, e. g. system-maintenance, customer1, customer2. Inside the ebuilds you define depends on the packages the customer wants. Doing so you could wipe everything except the meta-ebuilds from world. When a customer quits you can unmerge his or her meta-ebuild and depclean. If you add everything needed to the respective meta-ebuild, you'll always be on the safe side. Getting EnigMail set up on a Seamonkey/Win7 box, and Enigmail is complaining that your signature is unverified. I don't know/understand PGP/GPG all that well, but I think this is something you're supposed to be able to fix on your end. If that's not the case, let me know, and I'll get it fixed on my end. :) gpg command line and output: C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\gpg.exe gpg: Signature made 01/03/12 09:05:56 using RSA key ID 8D16461C gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found Doh...that was supposed to go directly to Hinnerk. Reply to sender only my hind leg... Looks like a recently created gpg key. Assuming the owner has uploaded it to a public key server, it seems likely that it has not propagated across the public servers yet and your enigmail plugin alerts you about it. Found most of the problem; Enigmail defaulted to an empty automatically download keys for signature vereification from the following keyserver field. Fixed that, and things started working a little better. (Herr Van Bruinehsen's key doesn't seem to have propagated, yes, but now yours works fine. :) )
Re: (Was) Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 16:18:20 Michael Mol wrote: Mick, yours gives me the same error: gpg command line and output: C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\gpg.exe gpg: Signature made 01/03/12 11:01:03 using DSA key ID 792968B6 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found Though trying querying for 8D16461C or 792968B6 at pool.sks-keyservers.net or subkeys.pgp.net gives me no key found errors. Ahh ... that's probably different then, because my public key has been knocking around for a while. $ /usr/bin/gpg2 --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net --search-keys michaelkintz...@gmail.com gpg: enabled debug flags: memstat gpg: searching for michaelkintz...@gmail.com from hkp server keys.gnupg.net (1) Michael Kintzios (Mick) michaelkintz...@gmail.com 1024 bit DSA key 792968B6, created: 2009-04-25 ... [snip] While Hinnerk's key is not found: $ /usr/bin/gpg2 --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net --search-keys h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de gpg: enabled debug flags: memstat gpg: searching for h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de from hkp server keys.gnupg.net gpg: key h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de not found on keyserver Have you specified a keyserver to be used as a default in your setup? I use hkp://keys.gnupg.net which operates a round robin function on each connection so as to not over-burden individual servers. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: (Was) Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior
Mick wrote: On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 16:18:20 Michael Mol wrote: Mick, yours gives me the same error: gpg command line and output: C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\gpg.exe gpg: Signature made 01/03/12 11:01:03 using DSA key ID 792968B6 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found Though trying querying for 8D16461C or 792968B6 at pool.sks-keyservers.net or subkeys.pgp.net gives me no key found errors. Ahh ... that's probably different then, because my public key has been knocking around for a while. $ /usr/bin/gpg2 --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net --search-keys michaelkintz...@gmail.com gpg: enabled debug flags: memstat gpg: searching for michaelkintz...@gmail.com from hkp server keys.gnupg.net (1) Michael Kintzios (Mick) michaelkintz...@gmail.com 1024 bit DSA key 792968B6, created: 2009-04-25 ... [snip] While Hinnerk's key is not found: $ /usr/bin/gpg2 --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net --search-keys h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de gpg: enabled debug flags: memstat gpg: searching for h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de from hkp server keys.gnupg.net gpg: key h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de not found on keyserver Have you specified a keyserver to be used as a default in your setup? I use hkp://keys.gnupg.net which operates a round robin function on each connection so as to not over-burden individual servers. As noted, got it working. Using pool.sks-keyservers.net. Thanks. :)
Re: (Was) Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03.01.2012 18:39, Mick wrote: On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 16:18:20 Michael Mol wrote: Mick, yours gives me the same error: gpg command line and output: C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\gpg.exe gpg: Signature made 01/03/12 11:01:03 using DSA key ID 792968B6 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found Though trying querying for 8D16461C or 792968B6 at pool.sks-keyservers.net or subkeys.pgp.net gives me no key found errors. Ahh ... that's probably different then, because my public key has been knocking around for a while. $ /usr/bin/gpg2 --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net --search-keys michaelkintz...@gmail.com gpg: enabled debug flags: memstat gpg: searching for michaelkintz...@gmail.com from hkp server keys.gnupg.net (1)Michael Kintzios (Mick) michaelkintz...@gmail.com 1024 bit DSA key 792968B6, created: 2009-04-25 ... [snip] While Hinnerk's key is not found: $ /usr/bin/gpg2 --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net --search-keys h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de gpg: enabled debug flags: memstat gpg: searching for h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de from hkp server keys.gnupg.net gpg: key h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de not found on keyserver Have you specified a keyserver to be used as a default in your setup? I use hkp://keys.gnupg.net which operates a round robin function on each connection so as to not over-burden individual servers. It seems like the 'Upload key' function of my enigmail doesn't work. I uploaded the key manually and now I can find it. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPA0BTAAoJEJwwOFaNFkYcTkwH/1aClDV0qLS3zWF2qs9BjVXn SZGaYsWv1aM1zranLjS4s2st6bACuKct3twN1B2s/h3m6kRxjGaXVzowvHqsv/yu Py/5HBvBV5X45kflyLG/cJA+Ti9uMMdH5D3J7sm6nRr2mFW1+jbulBJZ2W9W1HMg w2QbMYsDwTkw8xLwlk0/2j3x6rKVwD9oLkYhQEuif51aj1OoWuu8pyCyp0WFUkzl cLizruB/a1UfAU9H+Hv1sdBshY3uJ7dORvzdvfKautsW/WEXjHwqLHvcyOIQ2blN AMwiUj1VMm4jlP1BUzU3OBt6YQDO/LXMppRTv70eibMMScVgmFUUjGC3X5m4H1Y= =c4Iq -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: (Was) Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior
On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 17:52:19 Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: On 03.01.2012 18:39, Mick wrote: On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 16:18:20 Michael Mol wrote: Mick, yours gives me the same error: gpg command line and output: C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\gpg.exe gpg: Signature made 01/03/12 11:01:03 using DSA key ID 792968B6 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found Though trying querying for 8D16461C or 792968B6 at pool.sks-keyservers.net or subkeys.pgp.net gives me no key found errors. Ahh ... that's probably different then, because my public key has been knocking around for a while. $ /usr/bin/gpg2 --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net --search-keys michaelkintz...@gmail.com gpg: enabled debug flags: memstat gpg: searching for michaelkintz...@gmail.com from hkp server keys.gnupg.net (1) Michael Kintzios (Mick) michaelkintz...@gmail.com 1024 bit DSA key 792968B6, created: 2009-04-25 ... [snip] While Hinnerk's key is not found: $ /usr/bin/gpg2 --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net --search-keys h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de gpg: enabled debug flags: memstat gpg: searching for h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de from hkp server keys.gnupg.net gpg: key h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de not found on keyserver Have you specified a keyserver to be used as a default in your setup? I use hkp://keys.gnupg.net which operates a round robin function on each connection so as to not over-burden individual servers. It seems like the 'Upload key' function of my enigmail doesn't work. I uploaded the key manually and now I can find it. Kewl, now it works fine: $ /usr/bin/gpg2 --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net --search-keys h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de gpg: enabled debug flags: memstat gpg: searching for h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de from hkp server keys.gnupg.net (1) Hinnerk van Bruinehsen h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de 2048 bit RSA key 8D16461C, created: 2011-11-10 Keys 1-1 of 1 for h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de. Enter number(s), N)ext, or Q)uit -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: (Was) Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Mick wrote: On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 17:52:19 Hinnerk van Bruinehsen wrote: On 03.01.2012 18:39, Mick wrote: On Tuesday 03 Jan 2012 16:18:20 Michael Mol wrote: Mick, yours gives me the same error: gpg command line and output: C:\Program Files (x86)\GNU\GnuPG\gpg.exe gpg: Signature made 01/03/12 11:01:03 using DSA key ID 792968B6 gpg: Can't check signature: public key not found Though trying querying for 8D16461C or 792968B6 at pool.sks-keyservers.net or subkeys.pgp.net gives me no key found errors. Ahh ... that's probably different then, because my public key has been knocking around for a while. $ /usr/bin/gpg2 --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net --search-keys michaelkintz...@gmail.com gpg: enabled debug flags: memstat gpg: searching for michaelkintz...@gmail.com from hkp server keys.gnupg.net (1) Michael Kintzios (Mick) michaelkintz...@gmail.com 1024 bit DSA key 792968B6, created: 2009-04-25 ... [snip] While Hinnerk's key is not found: $ /usr/bin/gpg2 --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net --search-keys h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de gpg: enabled debug flags: memstat gpg: searching for h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de from hkp server keys.gnupg.net gpg: key h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de not found on keyserver Have you specified a keyserver to be used as a default in your setup? I use hkp://keys.gnupg.net which operates a round robin function on each connection so as to not over-burden individual servers. It seems like the 'Upload key' function of my enigmail doesn't work. I uploaded the key manually and now I can find it. Kewl, now it works fine: $ /usr/bin/gpg2 --keyserver hkp://keys.gnupg.net --search-keys h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de gpg: enabled debug flags: memstat gpg: searching for h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de from hkp server keys.gnupg.net (1)Hinnerk van Bruinehsen h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de 2048 bit RSA key 8D16461C, created: 2011-11-10 Keys 1-1 of 1 for h.v.bruineh...@fu-berlin.de. Enter number(s), N)ext, or Q)uit ...and testing sending a signed message. Key uploaded manually, but no idea how quickly it will propagate. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJPA0c5AAoJEC/SB0LItoL+AnQIAJgoI5bshSkSuqPUOqTgD78t domQfMztoFKNUgzVeQoCPmHgcFYFL8SuhtaARlUXDqPI+fDzbbfY+jGf2fjyAZOc xqqptQVSfxXnuz+usuC3WdcsIHlt4PQjBG+7t8RIArIdE/UIUZlQSfYJTTZVUHBf b4xM7aTCXcoE+FZIoZ0hnAQUyT/+rXBsK4a01tLK7Qt7dmgfhffuOBbHx215WtW3 6Qo9SEjknF8w7v/aLcGw6EI+576R8oRCVoDrF/UFCOx0mKxh4myClQMunmh5y7Zs C4QjlGTEMayIqoJsQQGBWO9DmEdRCxgPtataINb6WBuT7FMq1EQfMtCnPl1fdAo= =oyky -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [gentoo-user] Secure Cloud Backup
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 20:16, Florian Philipp li...@binarywings.net wrote: Well, I have no experience with their service (although I always planned to use them), but maybe you can try these guys [1]. They don't have file size limits and support everything working over ssh (including sshfs) as well as duplicity for file encryption. Of course, having only US locations could be a no-go depending on your legal considerations/restrictions. [1] http://www.rsync.net/ I can vouch for them. I've used them for some time and their service is really good. I especially like their canary which lets you know if they had to give the keys to the govt ;) -- Douglas J Hunley (doug.hun...@gmail.com) Twitter: @hunleyd Web: douglasjhunley.com G+: http://goo.gl/sajR3
Re: [gentoo-user] emerge --update behavior
On Tue, Jan 03, 2012 at 09:46:42AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote So your actual problem is that you relied on an arbitrary behaviour of portage from the days when the standard was whatever portage does today and you are unhappy because for you that is now broken. But no-one ever promised you that behaviour in a stable API. http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taoup/html/ch01s06.html#id2878339 Rule of Least Surprise: In interface design, always do the least surprising thing. (This is also widely known as the Principle of Least Astonishment.) -- Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
[gentoo-user] problems, with, 'hibernate, to, disk', two, nvidia, cards, installed
Hi, My gentoo box runs with linux kernel 3.1.6 (vanilla). The hardware consists of an Asus Crosshair Formula IV motherboard, a AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Processor and two nviida cards: 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GF110 [GeForce GTX 560 Ti] (rev a1) 09:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 430] (rev a1) Previously I had installed the GT 430 card only. With this card, hibernation to disk using sys-power/hibernate-script was no problem. Then I removed the GT 430 and uses a GTX 560 Ti for better performance when rendering while utilzing the GPU. With this card the same hibernation was no problem also. Then on the Blender forum one came up with the idea to install both cards. The GT 430 is used for desktop purposes then, the GTX 560 Ti was used for rendering only. With this setup hibernation is not possible anymore. Whe starting the hibernation, the screen wents dark, but the PC does not power off. I had to push the power button finally and the reboot afterwards wents through the normal process like after any normal shutdown...with the exception, that the journals of the partitions had to be fixed. /var/log/hibernate.log shows the following of the failed hibernation and the boot afterwards: Starting suspend at Tue Jan 3 21:48:58 CET 2012 hibernate: [01] Executing CheckLastResume ... hibernate: [01] Executing CheckRunlevel ... hibernate: [01] Executing LockFileGet ... hibernate: [01] Executing NewKernelFileCheck ... hibernate: [10] Executing EnsureSysfsPowerStateCapable ... hibernate: [11] Executing XHacksSuspendHook1 ... hibernate: [19] Executing DevicesFree ... hibernate: [30] Executing ServicesStop ... * Storing ALSA Mixer Levels ... [ ok ] hibernate: [45] Executing FSTypesUnmount ... hibernate: [59] Executing RemountXFSBootRO ... hibernate: [89] Executing SaveKernelModprobe ... hibernate: [90] Executing ModulesUnload ... hibernate: [91] Executing ModulesUnloadBlacklist ... hibernate: [91] Executing ModulesUnloadBlacklist ... hibernate: [95] Executing XHacksSuspendHook2 ... hibernate: [98] Executing CheckRunlevel ... hibernate: [98] Executing FullSpeedCPUSuspend ... hibernate: [99] Executing DoSysfsPowerStateSuspend ... hibernate: Activating sysfs power state disk ... I tried to blacklist the nvidia drivers (290.10), but the hibernation couldn't unload this driver. How can I get back the hibernation functionality? Thank you very much in advance for any help ! Best regards, mcc
[gentoo-user] xpdf - missing fonts
xpdf it complains about missing fonts xpdf hl5370d_ukeng_usr.pdf Error: No display font for 'Courier' Error: No display font for 'Courier-Bold' Error: No display font for 'Courier-BoldOblique' Error: No display font for 'Courier-Oblique' Error: No display font for 'Helvetica' Error: No display font for 'Helvetica-Bold' Error: No display font for 'Helvetica-BoldOblique' Error: No display font for 'Helvetica-Oblique' Error: No display font for 'Symbol' Error: No display font for 'Times-Bold' Error: No display font for 'Times-BoldItalic' Error: No display font for 'Times-Italic' Error: No display font for 'Times-Roman' Error: No display font for 'ZapfDingbats' Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion Anybody knows how to install them? -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3
On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:31:20 +0100, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: I know. It's the I want to get the rid of initramfs thing that looks crazy to me. No one is saying they want to get rid of the initramfs, because they are not using one. What people object to is being forced to start using one. -- Neil Bothwick An investment in knowledge always pays the best interest. - Benjamin Franklin signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Beta test Gentoo with mdev instead of udev; version 3
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 3 Jan 2012 15:31:20 +0100, Nicolas Sebrecht wrote: I know. It's the I want to get the rid of initramfs thing that looks crazy to me. No one is saying they want to get rid of the initramfs, because they are not using one. What people object to is being forced to start using one. You got that right. I have not used one since I started using Gentoo. Now, I may very well have to start. I hope mdev gets to a point where it works really well on desktop systems. Dale :-) :-) -- I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or how you interpreted my words! Miss the compile output? Hint: EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS=--quiet-build=n
Re: [gentoo-user] Konsole issue
On 01/02/12 22:19, Dale wrote: Colleen Beamer wrote: On 01/02/12 14:42, Michael Mol wrote: On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 2:32 PM, Colleen Beamercolleen.bea...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/02/12 04:57, Mick wrote: On Monday 02 Jan 2012 02:25:45 Colleen Beamer wrote: On 01/01/12 20:29, Mark Knecht wrote: On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Colleen Beamer colleen.bea...@gmail.com wrote: On 01/01/12 20:13, Mark Knecht wrote: [snip] Since there were no updates/upgrades immediately prior to this error, this could well have been a result of fs corruption, or memory problems. It would make sense to check what smartctl -a /dev/sda shows just in case. I'd be willing to try this, but what is smartctl a part of? smartctl -a asks the hard disk device for diagnostic information. Yes, but when I ran 'smartctl -a /dev/sda' it tells me the command isn't found. I did a search for this command and it was found in /usr/share/bash-completion/ but if I run it (and it is executable to owner (root)), using the full path to the command, it tells me the command isn't found. I also tried creating a symlink to it in /usr/bin and I get the message: /usr/bin/smartctl: line 3: have: command not found. Regards, Colleen emerge smartmontools then when that is done, do this: smartctl -t long /dev/sddrive letter here When you do that, it should print a message that tells when the test will complete. It is usually a 24 hour format thing too. This can run while the drive is in use too. Sometime after that time, run this command: smartctl -l selftest /dev/sddrive letter here That should tell you the results of the test. If it says it passed, this is good. If it reports a problem, well it is not good. If you are lucky, it will be like a recent problem I had and reformatting will fix it. It was a weird problem but beats replacing a drive. Thanks, Dale. I'll try this. Don't know if I'll get to it tonight unfortunately, it was back to work to day and I have a bunch of stuff to do tonight. To everyone else, thanks ... I'll keep googling to see if I can figure this out and I'll shout again if I need assistance. Regards, Colleen -- Registered Linux User #411143 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org
Re: [gentoo-user] xpdf - missing fonts
Am 03.01.2012 23:15, schrieb Joseph: xpdf it complains about missing fonts xpdf hl5370d_ukeng_usr.pdf Error: No display font for 'Courier' Error: No display font for 'Courier-Bold' Error: No display font for 'Courier-BoldOblique' Error: No display font for 'Courier-Oblique' Error: No display font for 'Helvetica' Error: No display font for 'Helvetica-Bold' Error: No display font for 'Helvetica-BoldOblique' Error: No display font for 'Helvetica-Oblique' Error: No display font for 'Symbol' Error: No display font for 'Times-Bold' Error: No display font for 'Times-BoldItalic' Error: No display font for 'Times-Italic' Error: No display font for 'Times-Roman' Error: No display font for 'ZapfDingbats' Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion Anybody knows how to install them? They should be part of media-fonts/corefonts. Maybe you have to activate the X use flag for them. Regards, Florian Philipp signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] xpdf - missing fonts
On 01/04/12 00:20, Florian Philipp wrote: Am 03.01.2012 23:15, schrieb Joseph: xpdf it complains about missing fonts xpdf hl5370d_ukeng_usr.pdf Error: No display font for 'Courier' Error: No display font for 'Courier-Bold' Error: No display font for 'Courier-BoldOblique' Error: No display font for 'Courier-Oblique' Error: No display font for 'Helvetica' Error: No display font for 'Helvetica-Bold' Error: No display font for 'Helvetica-BoldOblique' Error: No display font for 'Helvetica-Oblique' Error: No display font for 'Symbol' Error: No display font for 'Times-Bold' Error: No display font for 'Times-BoldItalic' Error: No display font for 'Times-Italic' Error: No display font for 'Times-Roman' Error: No display font for 'ZapfDingbats' Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion Warning: Missing charsets in String to FontSet conversion Anybody knows how to install them? They should be part of media-fonts/corefonts. Maybe you have to activate the X use flag for them. Regards, Florian Philipp Core fonts is built with X flag enabled. [ebuild R] media-fonts/corefonts-1-r4 USE=X 0 kB I compare the fonts to my other system that is working correctly and both boxes use the same fonts package so I can not figure it out why xpdf is complaining on missing fonts. Here is my list: drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 3 15:03 100dpi drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 3 15:03 75dpi drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 3 16:22 arphicfonts drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 3 16:33 corefonts drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 3 15:03 cyrillic drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Dec 18 02:05 dejavu drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 4096 Dec 18 02:03 encodings drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 3 15:04 liberation-fonts drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 3 15:03 misc drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 3 16:30 Speedo drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 12288 Jan 3 15:02 terminus drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 3 15:03 TTF drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 3 16:31 ttf-bitstream-vera drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Jan 3 15:03 Type1 drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Dec 18 02:05 urw-fonts drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Dec 18 01:14 util -- Joseph
Re: [gentoo-user] problems, with, 'hibernate, to, disk', two, nvidia, cards, installed
On 3 January 2012 21:10, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote: Hi, My gentoo box runs with linux kernel 3.1.6 (vanilla). The hardware consists of an Asus Crosshair Formula IV motherboard, a AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Processor and two nviida cards: 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GF110 [GeForce GTX 560 Ti] (rev a1) 09:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GF108 [GeForce GT 430] (rev a1) Previously I had installed the GT 430 card only. With this card, hibernation to disk using sys-power/hibernate-script was no problem. Then I removed the GT 430 and uses a GTX 560 Ti for better performance when rendering while utilzing the GPU. With this card the same hibernation was no problem also. Then on the Blender forum one came up with the idea to install both cards. The GT 430 is used for desktop purposes then, the GTX 560 Ti was used for rendering only. With this setup hibernation is not possible anymore. Whe starting the hibernation, the screen wents dark, but the PC does not power off. I had to push the power button finally and the reboot afterwards wents through the normal process like after any normal shutdown...with the exception, that the journals of the partitions had to be fixed. /var/log/hibernate.log shows the following of the failed hibernation and the boot afterwards: Starting suspend at Tue Jan 3 21:48:58 CET 2012 hibernate: [01] Executing CheckLastResume ... hibernate: [01] Executing CheckRunlevel ... hibernate: [01] Executing LockFileGet ... hibernate: [01] Executing NewKernelFileCheck ... hibernate: [10] Executing EnsureSysfsPowerStateCapable ... hibernate: [11] Executing XHacksSuspendHook1 ... hibernate: [19] Executing DevicesFree ... hibernate: [30] Executing ServicesStop ... * Storing ALSA Mixer Levels ... [ ok ] hibernate: [45] Executing FSTypesUnmount ... hibernate: [59] Executing RemountXFSBootRO ... hibernate: [89] Executing SaveKernelModprobe ... hibernate: [90] Executing ModulesUnload ... hibernate: [91] Executing ModulesUnloadBlacklist ... hibernate: [91] Executing ModulesUnloadBlacklist ... hibernate: [95] Executing XHacksSuspendHook2 ... hibernate: [98] Executing CheckRunlevel ... hibernate: [98] Executing FullSpeedCPUSuspend ... hibernate: [99] Executing DoSysfsPowerStateSuspend ... hibernate: Activating sysfs power state disk ... I tried to blacklist the nvidia drivers (290.10), but the hibernation couldn't unload this driver. How can I get back the hibernation functionality? Thank you very much in advance for any help ! I'm not sure if this is related, but here it goes: Unllike you, I'm running a (single) ATI card in a laptop and have just compiled and installed the 3.1.6-gentoo kernel. Like you, when I tried to hibernate the screen but dark, but it never actually completes the hibernation. Similarly with suspend to RAM I cannot recover from it and I have to power cycle it. I have not had such a problem with this laptop since I bought it two years ago. All I'm thinking of blaming is the new 3.1.6 kernel. -- Regards, Mick
Re: [gentoo-user] problems, with, 'hibernate, to, disk', two, nvidia, cards, installed
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure if this is related, but here it goes: Unllike you, I'm running a (single) ATI card in a laptop and have just compiled and installed the 3.1.6-gentoo kernel. Like you, when I tried to hibernate the screen but dark, but it never actually completes the hibernation. Similarly with suspend to RAM I cannot recover from it and I have to power cycle it. I have not had such a problem with this laptop since I bought it two years ago. All I'm thinking of blaming is the new 3.1.6 kernel. Linux kernel 3.1.7 was just released with a fix for some kind of suspend/resume problem. Maybe it's related?
Re: [gentoo-user] problems, with, 'hibernate, to, disk', two, nvidia, cards, installed
Paul Hartman paul.hartman+gen...@gmail.com [12-01-04 02:29]: On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 6:01 PM, Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure if this is related, but here it goes: Unllike you, I'm running a (single) ATI card in a laptop and have just compiled and installed the 3.1.6-gentoo kernel. Like you, when I tried to hibernate the screen but dark, but it never actually completes the hibernation. Similarly with suspend to RAM I cannot recover from it and I have to power cycle it. I have not had such a problem with this laptop since I bought it two years ago. All I'm thinking of blaming is the new 3.1.6 kernel. Linux kernel 3.1.7 was just released with a fix for some kind of suspend/resume problem. Maybe it's related? Hi, thank you for your replies! ...I tried linux kernel 3.1.7 and it does not fix the problem. The situation remains the samesigh What can I addtionaly check ? Best regards, mcc
Re: [gentoo-user] problems, with, 'hibernate, to, disk', two, nvidia, cards, installed
Just for completeness sake, try downgrading the kernel to 3.1.5 or lower.
[gentoo-user] How to get raid
Hi all, I have recently built a new system, running Gentoo on a Sabertooth 990FX motherboard. The board has a raid controller on which I'm running a 120GB solid state drive for the OS (Raid 0) and a set of three 1.5TB drives which were previously running as a RAID5 array. I can see the sda 120GB drive and have installed the operating system on that. I can't see one device for the three disk RAID5 array, even though the RAID BIOS reports it as a healthy 3TB disk. Instead I see three separate devices, sdb, sdc and sdd What do I need to do to mount the 3TB RAID disk? I'm running genkernel, and compiled it with genkernel --dmraid all. It should already have data on it, if I can only get gentoo to recognise it. I can see the RAID controller when I use lspci 00:11.0 RAID bus controller: ATI Technologies Inc SB7x0,SB8x0,SB9x0 SATA Controller [RAID5 mode] (rev 40) One possible clue may be in dmesg, where I get the error device-mapper: table: 253:0: raid45: unknown target type Any assistance gratefully received. Thanks Jeff
[gentoo-user] Read only root filesystem on linode64
I am trying to run a custom kernel with gentoo on linode64, but there's strange problem I'm facing. The root always gets mounted read-only, I don't know why. I have this line in menu.lst: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-3.1.6-gentoo root=/dev/xvda rw Also, the /etc/fstab line says: /dev/xvda / defaults,noatime 0 1 Everytime I boot with the custom kernel, the root is getting mounted as read only. The funniest thing is, even after proper shutdown, a disk error pops up on /dev/xvda, because I see the message during boot. Anybody knows how to get this thing working? I don't want to use linode's stock kernel, the xfs code in it seems to have some bug. -- Nilesh Govindarajan http://nileshgr.com
Re: [gentoo-user] problems, with, 'hibernate, to, disk', two, nvidia, cards, installed
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 03:03:49AM +0100, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote
...I tried linux kernel 3.1.7 and it does not fix the problem.
The situation remains the samesigh
What can I addtionaly check ?
An excerpt from the hibernate.conf man page...
===
Verbosity N
Determines how verbose the output from the suspend script
should be: 0: silent except for errors 1: print steps 2:
print steps in detail 3: print steps in lots of detail 4:
print out every command executed (uses -x)
LogFile filename
If specified, output from the suspend script will also be
redirected to this file - useful for debugging purposes.
===
Add the 2 lines...
Verbosity 4
LogFile /root/hibernate.log
...to /etc/hibernate.conf and attempt to suspend. If it doesn't power
off, do *NOT* use the power switch. Either reboot with {CTRL}{ALT}{DEL}
or else use the Magic SysReq Key, if you have it enabled. Once you
restart, take a look at the logfile to see where it dies. If you can't
figure it out, gzip the logfile and attach it to a posting here, and
we'll try to figure it out.
--
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
[gentoo-user] Re: Read only root filesystem on linode64
On Wed 04 Jan 2012 08:35:19 AM IST, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: I am trying to run a custom kernel with gentoo on linode64, but there's strange problem I'm facing. The root always gets mounted read-only, I don't know why. I have this line in menu.lst: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-3.1.6-gentoo root=/dev/xvda rw Also, the /etc/fstab line says: /dev/xvda / defaults,noatime 0 1 Everytime I boot with the custom kernel, the root is getting mounted as read only. The funniest thing is, even after proper shutdown, a disk error pops up on /dev/xvda, because I see the message during boot. Anybody knows how to get this thing working? I don't want to use linode's stock kernel, the xfs code in it seems to have some bug. -- Nilesh Govindarajan http://nileshgr.com Err, correction, it's linode1536 64 bit. -- Nilesh Govindarajan http://nileshgr.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Video editing advice on formats and size of file
Ok, I know what to do. I played a little with ffmpeg and avconv (ffmpeg's fork, libav, conversion utility) converting 3D YouTube videos to play at the Nintendo 3DS. Anyways, I'll pretend you're using ffmpeg, I prefer libav but ffmpeg is much more common (both are made available by portage, there is virtual/ffmpeg now). Their syntax is a little different by the way, if you prefer using libav just look at libav changelog (/usr/share/doc/libav-version/CHANGELOG.bz2, or something close to that). ffmpeg -i file1.avi -i file2.avi -vcodec copy -acodec copy -async 12 -o output.avi You can use multiple input files, not just 2. If their codec match, you can copy, if they don't match then you'll need to re-encode the files (or the just the ones with the different codec). The -async 12 option do the synchronization trick. The 12 indicates that ffmpeg should try to correct synchronization at most 12 times per second. You could use less, try and see the results yourself. I'd say that even 5 or 3 would give great results, but 12 doesn't seem to increase file size either.
Re: [gentoo-user] How to get raid
On 01/03/2012 08:57 PM, Jeff Cranmer wrote: device-mapper: table: 253:0: raid45: unknown target type Maybe a dumb question, but is the raid45 module enabled in your kernel config?
[gentoo-user] Init Scripts Not Starting
Hey list, A little while after I compiled Gnome and got things running, I lost the ability to add scripts to the default runlevel. I can run rc-update add xdm default, for example, and the xdm symlink will appear in /etc/runlevels/default, and that symlink will indeed point to /etc/init.d/xdm, but xdm will not start. Further to that, there's no evidence to indicate that RC is even trying to start it. No errors, no logs, no nothing. Same goes for virtualbox-guest-additions and sysklogd. I tried logging rc and got absolutely nowhere. There's nothing overt in dmesg either. The really fun part is these scripts function perfectly if I run them after boot. Since there's no evidence of this problem in any logs or during the startup process, I assume there is no problem and I am doing it wrong. Thoughts?
[gentoo-user] Re: Read only root filesystem on linode64
On Wed 04 Jan 2012 08:42:48 AM IST, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: On Wed 04 Jan 2012 08:35:19 AM IST, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote: I am trying to run a custom kernel with gentoo on linode64, but there's strange problem I'm facing. The root always gets mounted read-only, I don't know why. I have this line in menu.lst: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-3.1.6-gentoo root=/dev/xvda rw Also, the /etc/fstab line says: /dev/xvda / defaults,noatime 0 1 Everytime I boot with the custom kernel, the root is getting mounted as read only. The funniest thing is, even after proper shutdown, a disk error pops up on /dev/xvda, because I see the message during boot. Anybody knows how to get this thing working? I don't want to use linode's stock kernel, the xfs code in it seems to have some bug. -- Nilesh Govindarajan http://nileshgr.com Err, correction, it's linode1536 64 bit. I got the answer from linode community in case anyone is interested, there's some bug in xen/linode with 3.1 series kernels. I was advised to try 3.0 series and it works. -- Nilesh Govindarajan http://nileshgr.com
Re: [gentoo-user] problems, with, 'hibernate, to, disk', two, nvidia, cards, installed
Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org [12-01-04 06:25]:
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 03:03:49AM +0100, meino.cra...@gmx.de wrote
...I tried linux kernel 3.1.7 and it does not fix the problem.
The situation remains the samesigh
What can I addtionaly check ?
An excerpt from the hibernate.conf man page...
===
Verbosity N
Determines how verbose the output from the suspend script
should be: 0: silent except for errors 1: print steps 2:
print steps in detail 3: print steps in lots of detail 4:
print out every command executed (uses -x)
LogFile filename
If specified, output from the suspend script will also be
redirected to this file - useful for debugging purposes.
===
Add the 2 lines...
Verbosity 4
LogFile /root/hibernate.log
It is
LogVerbosity 4
and the configuration file is
/etc/hibernate/common.conf
(just for those reading this thread later)
...to /etc/hibernate.conf and attempt to suspend. If it doesn't power
off, do *NOT* use the power switch. Either reboot with {CTRL}{ALT}{DEL}
or else use the Magic SysReq Key, if you have it enabled. Once you
restart, take a look at the logfile to see where it dies. If you can't
figure it out, gzip the logfile and attach it to a posting here, and
we'll try to figure it out.
CTRL-ALT-DEL does not work here.
Sysrq does not work either.
May be this is because the usb-module gets unloaded before (just a
shot in the dark)?
I had to power off again.
I dont know, whether the log entries are valid under this conditions,
but here they are:
Starting suspend at Wed Jan 4 06:35:36 CET 2012
Jan 4 06:35:36.67 hibernate: [01] Executing CheckLastResume ...
Jan 4 06:35:36.68 hibernate: [01] Executing CheckRunlevel ...
Jan 4 06:35:36.69 hibernate: [01] Executing LockFileGet ...
Jan 4 06:35:36.70 hibernate: [01] Executing NewKernelFileCheck ...
Jan 4 06:35:36.71 hibernate: [10] Executing EnsureSysfsPowerStateCapable ...
Jan 4 06:35:36.72 hibernate: [11] Executing XHacksSuspendHook1 ...
Jan 4 06:35:36.73 hibernate: [19] Executing DevicesFree ...
Jan 4 06:35:43.53 hibernate: [30] Executing ServicesStop ...
Jan 4 06:35:43.54 Executing /etc/init.d/alsasound stop
* Storing ALSA Mixer Levels ... [ ok ]
Jan 4 06:35:43.64 hibernate: [45] Executing FSTypesUnmount ...
Jan 4 06:35:43.66 hibernate: [59] Executing RemountXFSBootRO ...
Jan 4 06:35:43.67 hibernate: [89] Executing SaveKernelModprobe ...
Jan 4 06:35:43.68 Saved /proc/sys/kernel/modprobe is /sbin/modprobe
Jan 4 06:35:43.69 hibernate: [90] Executing ModulesUnload ...
Jan 4 06:35:43.70 -n Unloading module snd_via82cxxx...
Jan 4 06:35:43.70 not loaded.
Jan 4 06:35:43.71 -n Unloading module usb-ohci...
Jan 4 06:35:43.71 not loaded.
Jan 4 06:35:43.72 -n Unloading module snd_via82cxxx...
Jan 4 06:35:43.72 not loaded.
Jan 4 06:35:43.73 -n Unloading module usb-ohci...
Jan 4 06:35:43.74 not loaded.
Jan 4 06:35:43.74 hibernate: [91] Executing ModulesUnloadBlacklist ...
Jan 4 06:35:43.75 Unloading blacklisted modules listed
/etc/hibernate/blacklisted-modules
Jan 4 06:35:43.89 Module version for ipw2100 is
Jan 4 06:35:43.91 Module version for ipw2200 is
Jan 4 06:35:44.08 Module version for snd_bt_sco is
Jan 4 06:35:44.21 Module version for ndiswrapper is
Jan 4 06:35:44.33 hibernate: [91] Executing ModulesUnloadBlacklist ...
Jan 4 06:35:44.34 Unloading blacklisted modules listed
/etc/hibernate/blacklisted-modules
Jan 4 06:35:44.45 Module version for ipw2100 is
Jan 4 06:35:44.47 Module version for ipw2200 is
Jan 4 06:35:44.64 Module version for snd_bt_sco is
Jan 4 06:35:44.77 Module version for ndiswrapper is
Jan 4 06:35:44.90 hibernate: [95] Executing XHacksSuspendHook2 ...
Jan 4 06:35:44.92 xhacks: changing console from 7 to 15
Jan 4 06:35:46.65 hibernate: [98] Executing CheckRunlevel ...
Jan 4 06:35:46.66 hibernate: [98] Executing FullSpeedCPUSuspend ...
Jan 4 06:35:46.69 Switched to performance, with min freq at 360
Jan 4 06:35:46.71 Switched to performance, with min freq at 360
Jan 4 06:35:46.73 Switched to performance, with min freq at 360
Jan 4 06:35:46.74 Switched to performance, with min freq at 360
Jan 4 06:35:46.75 Switched to performance, with min freq at 360
Jan 4 06:35:46.76 Switched to performance, with min freq at 360
Jan 4 06:35:46.76 hibernate: [99] Executing DoSysfsPowerStateSuspend ...
Jan 4 06:35:46.76 hibernate: Activating sysfs power state disk ...
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Walter Dnes waltd...@waltdnes.org
