[gentoo-user] Re: any one using ubuntu phones?
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 09:28:16 -0500 »Q« wrote: > The old-school, drop-down, text-only menu bar can be unhidden via a > checkbox in the 'customize' dialog. It's been hidden by default since > well before Australis. Thank you :) I never noticed the 'customize' dialog and I probably never would have.
[gentoo-user] Re: Google calendar notifications in XFCE?
On 2015-06-30, walt wrote: > Maybe app-office/orage would do what you need, not sure. Orage will pop up reminders for calendar events, but when I looked through the orage web pages I didn't see anything about syncing to Google calendar. I should probably do some more looking into that. -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! When this load is at DONE I think I'll wash it gmail.comAGAIN ...
[gentoo-user] Re: Google calendar notifications in XFCE?
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 18:19:38 + (UTC) Grant Edwards wrote: > I've done a bit of googling trying to figure out how to get Google > calendar notifications to display on an XFCE desktop, and haven't > found much. > > I've found a few descriptions of how to get notifications using Gnome > Shell or Evolution [don't have/want], and how to get notifications > when you have the chrome browser running [rarely do]. > > I also found http://sourceforge.net/p/googsystray, but it seems to be > abandoned and hasn't worked on Linux platforms for a year or two. I > also noticed that the web page says "you will, of course, need to have > a system tray" [AFAIK, I don't]. > > Does anybody know of any other options for getting Google calendar > notifications on an XFCE desktop? Maybe app-office/orage would do what you need, not sure.
[gentoo-user] Google calendar notifications in XFCE?
I've done a bit of googling trying to figure out how to get Google calendar notifications to display on an XFCE desktop, and haven't found much. I've found a few descriptions of how to get notifications using Gnome Shell or Evolution [don't have/want], and how to get notifications when you have the chrome browser running [rarely do]. I also found http://sourceforge.net/p/googsystray, but it seems to be abandoned and hasn't worked on Linux platforms for a year or two. I also noticed that the web page says "you will, of course, need to have a system tray" [AFAIK, I don't]. Does anybody know of any other options for getting Google calendar notifications on an XFCE desktop? -- Grant Edwards grant.b.edwardsYow! Hey, waiter! I want at a NEW SHIRT and a PONY TAIL gmail.comwith lemon sauce!
Re: [gentoo-user] any one using ubuntu phones?
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 07:46:59PM +0200, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: > > Jolla do a phone which is Linux based. No idea if this would suit your > > needs but may be worth a look. It's GUI is good and it uses Wayland. > > Not sure how open it is! > > I second Jolla. > FWIW, I consider buying one myself if and when my current Android¹ finally > kicks the bucket. As far as I already know about its Sailfish OS: you can > install native (processor native, not bytecode native, i.e. C) programs via > RPM package management and it runs pulse audio underneath, as one example of > standard linux software. Oh and I forgot: Jolla has its root in MeeGo, as it was founded in part by former team members of Nokia’s MeeGo team. Graphically it builds upon Qt. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla’ Please do not share anything from, with or about me on any social network. Freedom for the pavements -- death to the dogs! signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] any one using ubuntu phones?
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 09:42:58PM +0100, john wrote: > behrouz khosravi wrote: > > > > If you build/install Android on a device, then it only contains what > > > you put there, and you can just as easily remove it. If you let > > > somebody else build/install android on a device and not give you > > > root access, then it is painful. > > > […] > > > Your problem isn't with Android the OS. Your problem is with the > > > experience your phone vendor is giving you. All that lockdown stuff > > > that you seem to hate is 100% supported by the Linux kernel - you're > > > just not turning it on with a typical distro install. > > > […] > > > For a mobile OS your life is made even more difficult by Android, > > > since many who would tend to write a competing OS probably consider > > > it good enough. > > > > > > I'm really not interested in yet another android so much as more > > > open hardware to run android on. Vendors are getting better about > > > allowing unlocking, but driver support/etc is still a mess. > > > > > > Oh, and I don't like the general move of APIs into Google Play > > > Services. That really needs to be split into two applications. > > > […] > > > > I know what you mean. This is all more or less true, but what can we do > > in this situation? I will try to move toward whatever promotes openness, > > and please do not tell me that ubuntu is not more open that android. In > > android I cant even have pure native apps! some parts of an application > > should always be in java. > > Jolla do a phone which is Linux based. No idea if this would suit your > needs but may be worth a look. It's GUI is good and it uses Wayland. > Not sure how open it is! I second Jolla. FWIW, I consider buying one myself if and when my current Android¹ finally kicks the bucket. As far as I already know about its Sailfish OS: you can install native (processor native, not bytecode native, i.e. C) programs via RPM package management and it runs pulse audio underneath, as one example of standard linux software. It does not have high-power hardware like high-end androids, but similar to Crapple devices – thanks to the OS *and* userspace running natively – its medium-range hardware is more than andequate to run everything smoothly. And if you *do* need Android software (like I would with Osmand), you can actually run it on Jolla, too, including stores like F-Droid. What still holds me off a little is that – in my view – 4½″ is already too big for a really mobile device. I’d consider around 4″ to be the maximum to comfortably fit in any pocket. But in the end, I see hardly any alternative (for me of course). Plus my money stays on the continent. ;-Þ ¹ A cheap Huawei from early 2013, 3.5″, running CyanogenMod with Android 4.2. It has a puny single-core and is specced at the low end, but it still runs and suits my needs. -- Gruß | Greetings | Qapla’ Please do not share anything from, with or about me on any social network. Every day has the same length, only a different width. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: any one using ubuntu phones?
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 12:37:14 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote: > The easiest way to stick with a branch is probably to just mask > anything newer. Then you should get all new releases of that branch > until it is dropped. However, I'm not sure how noisy portage will be > if your branch is discontinued. It just tries to install the highest version that matches your masks, which will be lower than the one that was discontinued. Of course, as this is the kernel sources, it doesn't matter which other versions portage chooses to install, you can still use the old one. You will get warnings that you have an installed package that is no longer in the tree, but you could always copy the ebuild to a local overlay to avoid both of these issues. -- Neil Bothwick The word 'Windows' is a word out of an old dialect of the Apaches. It means: 'White man staring through glass-screen onto an hourglass...') pgpZiKOeFDGOY.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: any one using ubuntu phones?
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:16 AM, James wrote: > > Folks have forgotten about 'kernel tuning'. I have deglected the linux > kernel quite a bit of late, mostly do to the rabid frequency and > non-sense (useless) chances being advanced. I have decided to only > update to 'long term support' kernels. So ideas on how to set up > masks and portage ? I guess just mask off all kernel updates and > manually unmask those long term kernel updates? Other ideas? > I've started going a similar route with all the recent btrfs regressions that have bitten me. I'm now sticking with 3.18, and I'll likely move on to the next longterm series once it gets more than a few versions in. The Gentoo kernel team's announced plan is to have stable keywords on stable branches of the kernel, though I don't think they've promised to maintain all of them. Anytime there is a new stable branch arch teams will test before it goes stable, and after that the kernel team will release new versions straight to stable, the logic being that they're QAed by upstream and should only contain fixes for regressions. The easiest way to stick with a branch is probably to just mask anything newer. Then you should get all new releases of that branch until it is dropped. However, I'm not sure how noisy portage will be if your branch is discontinued. I've actually taken to just cloning kernel-stable.git. They keep branches for all their releases which makes it pretty easy to do a pull when you want an update, or you can just do a fetch and checkout the release tag. I also do all my builds with O=/var/tmp/linux/ so that my git checkout stays clean (and it is faster anyway writing to tmpfs). But, with git if you mess up your checkout you can always reset it. I could almost see myself switching back to gentoo-sources for kdbus though, now that they're including it (optionally). -- Rich
Re: Google / Oracle / Java / etc (was: [gentoo-user] Re: any one using ubuntu phones?)
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 11:37 AM, wrote: > On Tue, Jun 30 2015, James wrote: > >> I think I just heard a news report that Google lost a long term >> legal/financial battle with Oracle over java. It seems now that google >> (android and any thing that uses java) is going to have to pay >> Oracle some 'pal_a_monies' ? Or did I here that wrong? >> >> If so, I'm sure google and lots of folks are scrambling to replace >> java.? > > Yes the supreme court refused to hear google's appeal to the Federal > Circuit's decision (this despite my being a signatory to an amicus brief > asking them to hear the appeal :-) ). > > I believe "The lawsuit will now return to the trial court to decide > Google’s fair use defense to Oracle’s API copyright claim." > > A sad day, Yup, I forget the details of the original decisions but if I were SCO I'd be looking for opportunities to appeal since all those DEFINEs in the linux headers are now copyrightable APIs. Likewise, better check your licenses - if you're writing in C without permission of the original authors they might have a claim against you, though as the supreme court points out you can always spend $200k on lawyers to argue fair use. That said, I'm not sure to what extent this ruling affects Google moving forward, with their move to ART. They will still have to fight over past damages, of course, but they should be OK. And, if Samsung/Amazon ever gives Google too much trouble I guess Google can always sue them over using ART now. So much for standards. Oh, and I wonder what this means for video codecs whose patents have expired, but for which copyrights on the original designs still have centuries ahead of them (most likely)? However, if this is the decision that ultimately causes everybody to stop using FAT32, perhaps it won't be an entirely sad day. -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: any one using ubuntu phones?
2015-06-30 8:28 GMT-06:00 »Q« : > On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 06:36:10 -0400 > "Walter Dnes" wrote: >> They've removed text from the "File Edit View etc..." >> menu. Instead, they've inserted a bunch of heiroglyphics/icons. > > The old-school, drop-down, text-only menu bar can be unhidden via a > checkbox in the 'customize' dialog. It's been hidden by default since > well before Australis. Just presing the Alt key also shows the dropdown menus, and all those icons dont need to be there, contrary to a claim made here I found this the most customizable GUI firefox has had, on the top I only have the adress bar, the bookmarks icon, the downloads icon and the menu button, on the bottom my vimperator bar, tiletabs icon, adblock icon, and if I want to I can: :set gui=none (this is vimperator) And now I only have the frame that shows the webpage I'm reading.
Google / Oracle / Java / etc (was: [gentoo-user] Re: any one using ubuntu phones?)
On Tue, Jun 30 2015, James wrote: > I think I just heard a news report that Google lost a long term > legal/financial battle with Oracle over java. It seems now that google > (android and any thing that uses java) is going to have to pay > Oracle some 'pal_a_monies' ? Or did I here that wrong? > > If so, I'm sure google and lots of folks are scrambling to replace > java.? Yes the supreme court refused to hear google's appeal to the Federal Circuit's decision (this despite my being a signatory to an amicus brief asking them to hear the appeal :-) ). I believe "The lawsuit will now return to the trial court to decide Google’s fair use defense to Oracle’s API copyright claim." A sad day, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] any one using ubuntu phones?
2015-06-29 14:14 GMT-06:00 behrouz khosravi : > > I know what you mean. This is all more or less true, but what can we do in > this situation? > I will try to move toward whatever promotes openness, and please do not tell > me that ubuntu > is not more open that android. In android I cant even have pure native apps! > some parts of an application > should always be in java. You can run native programs, you might not be able to run X programs since android already has surfaceflinger handling the display, and I haven tried it but qt can be used to build apps using C++, also with the comming replacement of dalvik(jit) by art(aot), the apps will run as native.
[gentoo-user] Re: any one using ubuntu phones?
Rich Freeman gentoo.org> writes: > > Linux is a desktop OS. I hope it remains that way. Wow. I think of linux first as a bloated (but good) minimal OS. It's only when yhou add stuff that you get a server or a desktop. Folks have forgotten about 'kernel tuning'. I have deglected the linux kernel quite a bit of late, mostly do to the rabid frequency and non-sense (useless) chances being advanced. I have decided to only update to 'long term support' kernels. So ideas on how to set up masks and portage ? I guess just mask off all kernel updates and manually unmask those long term kernel updates? Other ideas? > Uh, Linux is a kernel, and even GNU is really a collection of > shell-oriented tools, which can be run from Android just fine. > So Android IS Linux, at least as much as Gentoo is, or your DVR, or > your car radio, etc. I think we have to get over the whole "Linux was > figured out in 1996 and anything different from then is bad" thing. I think I just heard a news report that Google lost a long term legal/financial battle with Oracle over java. It seems now that google (android and any thing that uses java) is going to have to pay Oracle some 'pal_a_monies' ? Or did I here that wrong? If so, I'm sure google and lots of folks are scrambling to replace java.? On cell phones SeLinux is probably the best thing going for a cool phone. At least it will be reasonably secure by the user's ability to admin the phone? [1] James [1] http://blogs.csc.com/2015/04/06/google-slashes-android-malware-in-half/
[gentoo-user] Re: any one using ubuntu phones?
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015 06:36:10 -0400 "Walter Dnes" wrote: > On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:28:18PM -0500, Dale wrote > > If something ugly and nasty is coming, I need to start figuring out > > what I can do to work around this or something else to use. > > I don't know your definition of ugly; everybody has their own idea. > Australis came in approx Firefox 29. 29 is right. There aren't any plans for more major changes to the UI; I guess it will be years before there's another overhaul. > They've removed text from the "File Edit View etc..." > menu. Instead, they've inserted a bunch of heiroglyphics/icons. The old-school, drop-down, text-only menu bar can be unhidden via a checkbox in the 'customize' dialog. It's been hidden by default since well before Australis.
Re: [gentoo-user] any one using ubuntu phones?
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:42 PM, Walter Dnes wrote: > > Linux is a desktop OS. I hope it remains that way. Uh, Linux is a kernel, and even GNU is really a collection of shell-oriented tools, which can be run from Android just fine. So Android IS Linux, at least as much as Gentoo is, or your DVR, or your car radio, etc. I think we have to get over the whole "Linux was figured out in 1996 and anything different from then is bad" thing. -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] any one using ubuntu phones?
On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:28:18PM -0500, Dale wrote
> What version of Firefox are you using? I've seen some changes made
> to Firefox but nothing that drastic. I'm just curious if maybe I'm
> still running a older not affected version.
>
> My reason for asking. I'm volunteer on staff at a social site.
> I have several accounts there. Firefox, especially giving the
> addons it has, is the best option for me to use to have multiple
> profiles open at one time. Plus, I don't need the email feature
> for that either. If something ugly and nasty is coming, I need to
> start figuring out what I can do to work around this or something
> else to use.
I don't know your definition of ugly; everybody has their own idea.
Australis came in approx Firefox 29. After struggling with the
lobotomized interface for a while, I executed 2 commands...
emerge --unmerge firefox
emerge seamonkey
The Australis top menu bar is thicker, so that it's easier to tap on a
tablet... so what. They've removed text from the "File Edit View etc..."
menu. Instead, they've inserted a bunch of heiroglyphics/icons. A lot
of customizability has been removed. Put it this way... if I wanted to
use Chrome(ium), I'd use Chrome(ium) in the first place.
There are now some Firefox addons which try to restore the classic
look. The fact that there's demand for them is a sad commentary on the
"new-and-improved" UI.
Seamonkey has the classic look and has an Gentoo ebuild. The Palemoon
fork is now available for linux too. I don't see an ebuild in portage.
You either have to download the generic x86_64 version, or pull down the
tarball from Sourceforge, and build locally if you want optimization
and full feature control.
Going way back into the days of DOS, I remember when Wordstar 3.3 used
to be the most popular word processor. Then they brought out the
"new-and-improved" Wordstar 2000 version with drop-down menus instead of
{CTRL} key combos. It fell off the public radar soon afterwards. This
is what the Australis fiasco reminds me of.
--
Walter Dnes
I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications
Re: [gentoo-user] any one using ubuntu phones?
I don't have time to catch up on the whole thread yet, but https://neo900.org/ should be interesting. The older n900 phone is quite open as well. Both [will] run an operating system called Maemo. The neo900 solves some of the issues in current phones like the modem sharing memory space with the main CPU. I am highly interested in one myself, but don't think I'll be able to get an order in... hopefully another run happens :) Beware that the device OS may not be shipped in a completely working state. Some assembly required. As for how to make the device usable: I had been trying for some time to get Android running under KVM. Currently I have an ARM board which has a similar chip to the one my phone has. Sadly I can't figure out some bootloader and driver shenanigans so it doesn't seem like that will ever work. The neo900's processor *might* have what is needed to do that efficiently - ARM TrustZone - and if it does I was going to try it if/when I get one, as a replacement for Maemo (which is great and all but doesn't have such a large userbase).
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: is purchasing a usb blu ray a good idea?
On Mon, 29 Jun 2015 23:15:26 -0400, Walter Dnes wrote: > > That's because most distros, and all top quality cover discs, use > > hybrid ISO images that avoid the pain associated with the likes > > of Unetbootin. > > If you run across one that doesn't work, you do ***NOT*** need to > screw around with unetbootin. If not already installed... > > emerge sys-boot/syslinux > > To convert fubar.iso to USB-bootable format, run the command... > > isohybrid fubar.iso > > That's it. No moving files around. dd to your USB key and boot. For > documentation on various options like UEFI, etc, check the wiki page at > > http://www.syslinux.org/wiki/index.php/Isohybrid That page refers to using isohybrid with isolinux booting images. It's worth noting that if an image uses GRUB to boot, as many UEFI disks do, that hybrid is the default format. -- Neil Bothwick Profanity, The Language of Computer Professionals. pgprEhj7SqnPC.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] any one using ubuntu phones?
On 30 June 2015 1:44:24 AM AEST, behrouz khosravi wrote: >> >> It sounds like your problem isn't with Android (which is mostly FOSS >- >> or at least the parts you're dealing with here are), but with the >> bootloader on your phone (which is proprietary). >> > >No, actually my problem is that why an operating system >can have decision on what types of apps can I have on my computer. >if it is foss enough why I am not able to remove everything from my >system >easily. >I believe when we have free operating system, when can aim for free >hardware. >I just hope ubuntu would be a help to open the mobile market like the >way >it helped in desktop. I think that part of the problem is the diversity of hardware in the ARM ecosystem and that much of the drivers needed are not maintained in future kernels, making it difficult to support at a community level. > >FOSS developers seem to mostly be stuck in X11-land - it scratches >> their itch which tends to be on the desktop. While touch screen is >> "just another input device" the fact is that you need to design your >> entire application UI around it. ... > > >why do you thinks some foss user interfaces can not be created for this >situation? > >I just hope someday mobile market whould be open. Have you seen the Neo900? Its based on the old Nokia N900 and the maemo software. The OS is a debian variant, I believe. http://neo900.org/ -- :b
