[gentoo-user] Re: How to make a boot menu?
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 3:00 PM Martin Vaeth wrote: >> >> Yes, without a manually written grub.cfg you get none of these features - >> the default grub.cfg is just horrible. >> Well, the most powerful feature is probably still available: >> The possibility to edit the kernel's command line, partition and path which >> theoretically can cover everything else, though it is rather inconvenient. Just to clarify: I mean to edit the kernel's command line immediately before booting (that is, for instance, in emergency cases like a non-booting new kernel together with a damaged init-system. Or when you are at a conference with your laptop and need to connect to a beamer which for some reason did not display anything so that perhaps forcing a different resolution helps. I had all this, and wouldn't like to miss grub in such situations). > The GRUB bootloader just parses its config file, which can be manually > edited as you point out. This config file has many shell-like features like functions and variables and can source helper libraries. I suggest to use of all this! (See below.) > You also have grub-mkconfig grub-mkconfig is meant for binary distributions. A gentoo user typically compiles the kernel manually, anyway, and they typically know precisely which kernel they want to boot. So they have no use for any of the (mis-)features from grub-mkconfig. They might use it *once* to get some grub.cfg to start with, but then I recommend to dump grub-mkconfig. > grub-mkconfig just runs a bunch of shell scripts to generate > everything [...] Obviously it would be more elegant to add a loop over > a configuration variable. That's not what I meant. I meant to dump grub-mkconfig completely and not writing any substitute for it. Instead, write your grub.cfg manually, making full use of its features like variables and functions. For instance, I have one menu entry for each init-system (openrc, systems, and 3 more for emergency shells). But selecting such an entry just changes a (grub.cfg) variable and does not boot yet. Then there are menu entries for selecting/editing the resolution variables, etc. And only a few menu entries are for actually choosing the kernel and booting it (according to the previously set variables). Of course, there are default values for the variables if I make no selection and a default boot entry as well which normally is auto-booted after a few seconds. Note that if I would like to have a separate entry for each combination I might ever have a need for, I would need hundreds of menu entries, as their number is exponential in the number of variables which are used. > I'm not aware of anybody having actually done this, however, so you'd > have to DIY. https://github.com/vaeth/grub-cfg-mv/releases/ You can install it with sys-boot/grub-cfg-mv in the mv overlay, but you still have to read the instructions and write the "main" grub.cfg by yourself (although you can start from the example and from the grub.cfg generated by one initial call of grub-mkconfig).
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to make a boot menu?
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 3:00 PM Martin Vaeth wrote: > > Yes, without a manually written grub.cfg you get none of these features - > the default grub.cfg is just horrible. > Well, the most powerful feature is probably still available: > The possibility to edit the kernel's command line, partition and path which > theoretically can cover everything else, though it is rather inconvenient. The GRUB bootloader just parses its config file, which can be manually edited as you point out. You also have grub-mkconfig which outputs a config file for the bootloader to use, and it is typically used to scan /boot and find all the kernels/initramfs present and create menu items. grub-mkconfig just runs a bunch of shell scripts to generate everything, so you can have it autogenerate anything you want. It seems like a rough way to do it would be to just copy the regular linux once for each runlevel so that you end up with each kernel show up more than once, and then the individual runlevels can be tweaked accordingly. Obviously it would be more elegant to add a loop over a configuration variable. I'm not aware of anybody having actually done this, however, so you'd have to DIY. -- Rich
Re: [gentoo-user] for the speakup users on the list
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 11:57 AM John Covici wrote: > > Speakup works in most recent kernels, 5.10.x and it is now in the > mainstream kernel, but I forget what release it got in there. There > are two types of synthesizers, hardware and software. Most people use > software synthesizers these days, I still use a hardware synthesizer. > You might need the espeakup package to make it work, or speechdup > and speech-dispatcher. > I am pretty sure speakup is even in the net install of gentoo. > John, Great info. Thanks. On my Kubuntu system a simple terminal command espeak "hello" worked without much trouble. Initially it went to a USB device but I reconfigured in pulseaudio and now hear audio. I was also able to type a few sentences and it properly put some extra delay in at the periods. This suggests (to me) that if Jude gets stuck on the Gentoo part of this he could fall back to something like Kubuntu as a test of his hard issues at least. Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-boot on openrc
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 1:05 PM Martin Vaeth wrote: > > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:42:35 -00 Martin Vaeth wrote: > >> Peter Humphrey wrote: > >> > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 14:54:50 -00 Rich Freeman wrote: > >> >> Can't you just fix your USE flags with systemd-utils? Why revert? > >> > > >> > No, because the flag I'd need is 'boot', and that triggers switching from > >> > elogind to systemd. > >> > >> No, USE=boot for systemd-util does not trigger anything like that. > > > > I meant, if I set that flag, portage wants me to remove elogind andinstall > > systemd. > > Maybe, but the fault is certainly not this flag but something else. > For instance, that you do not have keyworded something which you should have. It would probably be helpful to post more relevant output, like portage output including --verbose and so on so that it is clear what it is actually doing. systemd-utils blocks systemd, so I can't see how it could force you to install systemd (after all, it just supplies things that are otherwise bundled with systemd already). Maybe in addition to setting the boot USE flag you also changed something else? -- Rich -- Rich
[gentoo-user] Re: How to make a boot menu?
Michael wrote: > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 17:48:04 BST Martin Vaeth wrote: >> Michael wrote: >> > From: Michael >> > >> > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:52:34 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: >> >> > Why not try rEFInd? It handles UEFI booting simply, without the >> >> > no-longer-needed bloat of GRUB. >> >> >> >> Hm. If I'm reading the wiki right, it can't handle choice of run levels >> >> with a selected kernel. Or is that wrong? >> > >> > From what I understand you should be able to tweak kernel command line >> > options in /boot/EFI/gentoo/refind_linux.conf. >> >> You can only choose between fixed combinations. Nothing like the >> possibilities of grub to choose e.g. options for resolution in one >> variable, options for boot system in another variable etc and to >> combine all of those (without adding an exponential number of >> options to select from). Not to speak about the possibility to >> edit the command line freely. > > I see. I never had to customise the default set up in depth, or at all from > what I recall. Perhaps GRUB with a manually edited grub.cgf is the solution > to these particular user requirements Yes, without a manually written grub.cfg you get none of these features - the default grub.cfg is just horrible. Well, the most powerful feature is probably still available: The possibility to edit the kernel's command line, partition and path which theoretically can cover everything else, though it is rather inconvenient.
Re: [gentoo-user] for the speakup users on the list
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 13:28:50 -0400, Mark Knecht wrote: > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 9:53 AM Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > > Yes, I am blind and can disassemble computers okay but never could learn > > to assemble them since the equipment to test memory external to computers > > has been and will remain inaccessible. This if it's done will have to be > > done by a repair shop and likely will cost more to repair this machine > > than replace it if that much work is involved. > > > > I was curious about speakup as I had not heard about it so I attempted > an install on my Ubuntu desktop but it's not in the default repositories. > > Reading the Ubuntu docs they say speakup is applied as a kernel > patch to 2.4 & 2.6 level kernels and that to use it with a modern > version the patches would have to be ported. It appears that all > the docs on speakup I found quickly stalled out in 2008-2010. > > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/doc/Speakup > > Do you know of newer work? > > I'm curious about the program from a persona point of > view. When I started at National Semiconductor in 1978 > we had a cantankerous old guy working on text-to-speach > synthesizers so I had a little bit of exposure. > > There are old Ubuntu releases here: > > https://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ > > If I can figure out what kernels they were running I could > possibly try creating a VM and see where it leads me. > > Echoing Jack's comment, I'm not sure this is a heat > sink problem. Misoperation at the time of letting > go of the reset button prior to POST. If the machine is > starting cold a processor wouldn't overheat that fast but > I haven't yet read all of your thread. > > I think there's also an opportunity here to do some sort > of remote debug with you if we can find anything that does > boot. Speakup works in most recent kernels, 5.10.x and it is now in the mainstream kernel, but I forget what release it got in there. There are two types of synthesizers, hardware and software. Most people use software synthesizers these days, I still use a hardware synthesizer. You might need the espeakup package to make it work, or speechdup and speech-dispatcher. I am pretty sure speakup is even in the net install of gentoo. -- Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? John Covici wb2una cov...@ccs.covici.com
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard drive error from SMART
Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 23:44:58 -0500, Dale wrote: > That's even more typing than /dev/sdk. Some things I do easily by using tab completion and all. When mounting, I let fstab remember the UUID for it. >>> That's what copy/paste is for. How often are you editing your >>> crypttab anyway? This way when you move drives around they still >>> work. >> What is crypttab? I type in the command manually. > Then use a shell alias, even less typing. > > I've done a couple basic alias things here but never grasped it enough to do anything beyond making ls run with -al each time. I think there is another one I did but it was long ago. I'd have to dig to find it. My biggest thing, I'm so used to using sdk1 that I'm likely to have to hit the backspace key quite often until this gets sorted out. My OS stuff is on sda, sdb, sdc and was on sdd. Anything above that was external. If one of the storms knocks my lights out, I may get a chance to reboot. See if that fixes things. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard drive error from SMART
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 11:04 AM Dale wrote: > > When I bought my current TV, I avoided the smart ones. At the time, it > was new technology and people were talking about how buggy it was so I > bought a regular TV. If I had to buy one today, I'd buy a smart one. > They seem to work pretty well now. Nice and stable at least. Still, I > check to make sure whatever I buy is based on Linux as its OS. One can > usually check the manual and see the copyright notice in the last few > pages. It mentions the kernel. If it mentions windoze, I move on. LQ > is almost always Linux based. > > I'm at the point where I know I need to do this. It's just getting > there. I even thought about putting the OS on a USB stick. After all, > once booted, it won't access the stick very often. I could even load it > into memory at boot up and it not even need the stick at all once > booted. Like is done with some Gentoo install media. > > One of these days. Fair enough. You might also investigate whether a newer Roku/AppleTV type machine will access a network share. I suspect they will. TrueNAS will run from a USB stick. You'll need two - one for the setup media and a second to install it to, but after that you only need storage drives to hold your backups or media. I think a NAS for backups and media playback makes sense. You want the machine on most of the time, but if you shut it down it won't generally stop you from using your main computer. On the other hand, with NVMe drives in my new machine I have no spinning media so I use the NAS as a network store much as you envision watching movies on your TV, but for me it's mostly astrophotography data. Have fun. Happy Easter if you celebrate it. Happy Sunday if you don't. Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard drive error from SMART
Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 6:39 PM Dale wrote: >> Neil Bothwick wrote: >>> Use /dev/disks/by/partlabel/foo or /dev/disks/by-partuuid/bar. >>> >> That's even more typing than /dev/sdk. Some things I do easily by using >> tab completion and all. When mounting, I let fstab remember the UUID >> for it. > That's what copy/paste is for. How often are you editing your > crypttab anyway? This way when you move drives around they still > work. > I did a google search for crypttab. After reading what its purpose is, I see why I don't have one. It seems it is more for decrypting and mounting things during bootup. I don't need to mount encrypted data to boot up or even log into KDE. I just need it to access data when needed. Most of the encrypted data that I access often is actually my external drives. When I leave home, I close the encrypted data. When I get home, I open it and remount it. If I need it for something. One day I may encrypt my /home directory. Maybe. I don't really see the need since any data I want protected can just be put on the encrypted part I have now. Anyway, I suspect when I reboot, this is will be back to the old way. I thought I was going to have a opportunity to do that last night. My lights went off for a few seconds. UPS kicked in and they came back on. It's not over yet tho. ;-) Or am I missing something? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: How to make a boot menu?
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 17:48:04 BST Martin Vaeth wrote: > Michael wrote: > > From: Michael > > > > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:52:34 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: > >> > Why not try rEFInd? It handles UEFI booting simply, without the > >> > no-longer-needed bloat of GRUB. > >> > >> Hm. If I'm reading the wiki right, it can't handle choice of run levels > >> with a selected kernel. Or is that wrong? > > > > From what I understand you should be able to tweak kernel command line > > options in /boot/EFI/gentoo/refind_linux.conf. > > You can only choose between fixed combinations. Nothing like the > possibilities of grub to choose e.g. options for resolution in one > variable, options for boot system in another variable etc and to > combine all of those (without adding an exponential number of > options to select from). Not to speak about the possibility to > edit the command line freely. I see. I never had to customise the default set up in depth, or at all from what I recall. Perhaps GRUB with a manually edited grub.cgf is the solution to these particular user requirements. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard drive error from SMART
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 10:22 AM Dale wrote: > >> I was wanting to have a NAS that also puts video on my TV. That way I >> can turn off my puter and still watch TV. It would be as much a media >> system as a NAS. I have a mobo, ram and I think I have a extra video >> card somewhere. I'd need a case, power supply and such. I'd also need >> a place to put all this which is going to be interesting. I'd want >> plenty of hard drive bays tho. I found a fractal 804 case that caught >> my eye. Can't recall all the details tho. >> >> Still, needs money and right now, I got to many other coals in the >> fire. Plus, I'm trying to figure out this crypttab thing. From what >> I've read, it is for opening encrypted drives during boot up which is >> not really what I want. I can boot and login into my KDE without >> anything encrypted being mounted. Kinda like this new setup really. >> >> I'll be so glad when fiber internet gets here. I think I'm going with >> the 500Mb/sec plan. Costs about the same as my current 1.5Mb/sec plan. >> lol >> >> Dale > I believe all of that can be done on TrueNAS, and most likely with > any of the prepackaged boxes like Synology, but I've not do it myself. > > Most modern flatscreens can access NAS servers and play video > and or music over the network so the NAS server itself > need not have a GPU. I did put a VGA in both of mine as building > them is easier, but it wasn't strictly necessary. TrueNAS can be > built on a headless machine if you know the IP address. > > As for FreeBSD, they have 'jails' which I think are more or less > chroot environments, so you can put whatever MythTV is called > these days in a jail and run it from there. People do that with > DNS, network monitors and all sorts of things. (Assuming > you have enough compute power.) > > No need to do any of this now. It's good that you're thinking > about solutions so that when the money comes along you'll > be ready. > > Cheers, > Mark > > When I bought my current TV, I avoided the smart ones. At the time, it was new technology and people were talking about how buggy it was so I bought a regular TV. If I had to buy one today, I'd buy a smart one. They seem to work pretty well now. Nice and stable at least. Still, I check to make sure whatever I buy is based on Linux as its OS. One can usually check the manual and see the copyright notice in the last few pages. It mentions the kernel. If it mentions windoze, I move on. LQ is almost always Linux based. I'm at the point where I know I need to do this. It's just getting there. I even thought about putting the OS on a USB stick. After all, once booted, it won't access the stick very often. I could even load it into memory at boot up and it not even need the stick at all once booted. Like is done with some Gentoo install media. One of these days. Dale :-) :-) P. S. New drive seems to be working fine. Now to figure out what to do with old one. :-D
Re: [gentoo-user] for the speakup users on the list
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 10:42 AM Jude DaShiell wrote: > > I'm checking on a lower bucks user group to see if it's still active. > They do all manner of operating systems including linux in that group. > > I was able to set up an Ubuntu 10.04.4 Lucid VM here in under 15 minutes. It came up running the 2.6.32 kernel which I think should be patchable with speakup. Will continue to investigate. Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] for the speakup users on the list
I'm checking on a lower bucks user group to see if it's still active. They do all manner of operating systems including linux in that group. On Sun, 17 Apr 2022, Jack wrote: > I think many on this list would be willing to help with this, if the location > were close enough. You might hunt for a local linux users group, or other > group of folks likely to be interested and willing to tinker with hardware. > You might also see if there is a local high school or technical school with > relevant classes, to ask if there is a student willing to help you. > > The actual work in removing and replacing heat sink and fan is not that great > - but if it is not near definite that is the cause of your problem, then it > might be a wasted effort. > > On 4/17/22 12:53, Jude DaShiell wrote: > > Yes, I am blind and can disassemble computers okay but never could learn > > to assemble them since the equipment to test memory external to computers > > has been and will remain inaccessible. This if it's done will have to be > > done by a repair shop and likely will cost more to repair this machine > > than replace it if that much work is involved. > > > > > > On Sun, 17 Apr 2022, Mark Knecht wrote: > > > >> On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 8:14 AM Jude DaShiell wrote: > >>> Has the links browser crashed other computers when used with speakup? If > >>> it turns out I'm not unique maybe a safer browser choice ought to go on > >>> the next minimal iso. > >>> > >>> > >> To start, as you mention speakup, if you are yourself blind I acknowledge > >> at the outset my suggestions below may not be the most practical. > >> > >> I'd start by doing everything I could to ensure the underlying motherboard > >> and memory are stable: > >> > >> 1) Disconnect all external devices other than your keyboard > >> 2) Disconnect all internal drives other than the one you need to install to > >> 3) Remove all memory except for 1 stick > >> 4) If the machine has a motherboard VGA AND you have a card-based > >> GPU then remove that card > >> 5) Leave wired ethernet connected if the machine and your network > >> support it. > >> > >> At that point run memtest86 from USB or a DVD. If it's stable then > >> start adding back memory. Double check that all memory is the > >> same spec. I bought a used MB recently with 6 sticks but 2 of them > >> weren't the same as the other 4. > >> > >> If all of that works I'd install some very light distro - probably > >> Ubuntu Server but you're free to choose - with the goal to > >> get a Linux kernel running. At that point I'm probably going to > >> install something like btop and watch temperatures. > >> > >> If all that worked then you've made forward progress. If it > >> doesn't you've also made forward progress. > >> > >> Good luck, > >> Mark > >> > >> > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard drive error from SMART
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 10:22 AM Dale wrote: > > I was wanting to have a NAS that also puts video on my TV. That way I > can turn off my puter and still watch TV. It would be as much a media > system as a NAS. I have a mobo, ram and I think I have a extra video > card somewhere. I'd need a case, power supply and such. I'd also need > a place to put all this which is going to be interesting. I'd want > plenty of hard drive bays tho. I found a fractal 804 case that caught > my eye. Can't recall all the details tho. > > Still, needs money and right now, I got to many other coals in the > fire. Plus, I'm trying to figure out this crypttab thing. From what > I've read, it is for opening encrypted drives during boot up which is > not really what I want. I can boot and login into my KDE without > anything encrypted being mounted. Kinda like this new setup really. > > I'll be so glad when fiber internet gets here. I think I'm going with > the 500Mb/sec plan. Costs about the same as my current 1.5Mb/sec plan. > lol > > Dale I believe all of that can be done on TrueNAS, and most likely with any of the prepackaged boxes like Synology, but I've not do it myself. Most modern flatscreens can access NAS servers and play video and or music over the network so the NAS server itself need not have a GPU. I did put a VGA in both of mine as building them is easier, but it wasn't strictly necessary. TrueNAS can be built on a headless machine if you know the IP address. As for FreeBSD, they have 'jails' which I think are more or less chroot environments, so you can put whatever MythTV is called these days in a jail and run it from there. People do that with DNS, network monitors and all sorts of things. (Assuming you have enough compute power.) No need to do any of this now. It's good that you're thinking about solutions so that when the money comes along you'll be ready. Cheers, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] for the speakup users on the list
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 9:53 AM Jude DaShiell wrote: > > Yes, I am blind and can disassemble computers okay but never could learn > to assemble them since the equipment to test memory external to computers > has been and will remain inaccessible. This if it's done will have to be > done by a repair shop and likely will cost more to repair this machine > than replace it if that much work is involved. > I was curious about speakup as I had not heard about it so I attempted an install on my Ubuntu desktop but it's not in the default repositories. Reading the Ubuntu docs they say speakup is applied as a kernel patch to 2.4 & 2.6 level kernels and that to use it with a modern version the patches would have to be ported. It appears that all the docs on speakup I found quickly stalled out in 2008-2010. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/doc/Speakup Do you know of newer work? I'm curious about the program from a persona point of view. When I started at National Semiconductor in 1978 we had a cantankerous old guy working on text-to-speach synthesizers so I had a little bit of exposure. There are old Ubuntu releases here: https://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ If I can figure out what kernels they were running I could possibly try creating a VM and see where it leads me. Echoing Jack's comment, I'm not sure this is a heat sink problem. Misoperation at the time of letting go of the reset button prior to POST. If the machine is starting cold a processor wouldn't overheat that fast but I haven't yet read all of your thread. I think there's also an opportunity here to do some sort of remote debug with you if we can find anything that does boot. Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-boot on openrc
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 17:05:18 -00 Martin Vaeth wrote: > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:42:35 -00 Martin Vaeth wrote: > >> Peter Humphrey wrote: > >> > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 14:54:50 -00 Rich Freeman wrote: > >> >> Can't you just fix your USE flags with systemd-utils? Why revert? > >> > > >> > No, because the flag I'd need is 'boot', and that triggers switching > >> > from > >> > elogind to systemd. > >> > >> No, USE=boot for systemd-util does not trigger anything like that. > > > > I meant, if I set that flag, portage wants me to remove elogind andinstall > > systemd. > > Maybe, but the fault is certainly not this flag but something else. > For instance, that you do not have keyworded something which you should > have. Ok. I'll look again in the morning. -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard drive error from SMART
Mark Knecht wrote: > On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 6:06 PM Dale wrote: >> Mark Knecht wrote: >>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 3:53 PM Dale wrote: >>> >>> Maybe this is a good excuse to start working on a NAS. :/ >>> That's my vote. (For the second time) >>> >>> I'm using a FreeBSD Nas (TrueNAS) but they recently came out with a >>> Linux version which you might be more comfortable with. If you use a >>> 1Gb/S or higher network connection it's quite fast. >>> >>> You can also go the Synology route via Amazon. You can get a 2-disk >>> NAS chassis which does RAID for around $250 last time I looked. >>> >>> Good luck whatever you do. >>> >>> Mark >> Other than being another piece of equipment running up a light bill, it >> is the best way to deal with this. The way I'm doing now is a bit of a >> struggle at times. I just need to get other things done first, from a >> money perspective which inflation isn't helping on. A trip to the >> grocery story is no fun anymore. >> >> One of these days tho. I just gotta do it. >> >> Dale > I hear you about groceries and inflation. Wol pushed me to build my > first one just using an old computer. I had an old machine - case, > power supply with a bad motherboard so I purchased an i3-2120 CPU @ > 3.30GHz motherboard with 8GB memory used at a computer store for $40. > Surprisingly that's more than enough CPU & memory for basic backups. > No matter what you're going to have to pay for the drives whether they > go in your box, in external cases or in a backup machine. > > I only turn it on to do backups or to retrieve data so not much electricity. > > I was wanting to have a NAS that also puts video on my TV. That way I can turn off my puter and still watch TV. It would be as much a media system as a NAS. I have a mobo, ram and I think I have a extra video card somewhere. I'd need a case, power supply and such. I'd also need a place to put all this which is going to be interesting. I'd want plenty of hard drive bays tho. I found a fractal 804 case that caught my eye. Can't recall all the details tho. Still, needs money and right now, I got to many other coals in the fire. Plus, I'm trying to figure out this crypttab thing. From what I've read, it is for opening encrypted drives during boot up which is not really what I want. I can boot and login into my KDE without anything encrypted being mounted. Kinda like this new setup really. I'll be so glad when fiber internet gets here. I think I'm going with the 500Mb/sec plan. Costs about the same as my current 1.5Mb/sec plan. lol Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] for the speakup users on the list
I think many on this list would be willing to help with this, if the location were close enough. You might hunt for a local linux users group, or other group of folks likely to be interested and willing to tinker with hardware. You might also see if there is a local high school or technical school with relevant classes, to ask if there is a student willing to help you. The actual work in removing and replacing heat sink and fan is not that great - but if it is not near definite that is the cause of your problem, then it might be a wasted effort. On 4/17/22 12:53, Jude DaShiell wrote: Yes, I am blind and can disassemble computers okay but never could learn to assemble them since the equipment to test memory external to computers has been and will remain inaccessible. This if it's done will have to be done by a repair shop and likely will cost more to repair this machine than replace it if that much work is involved. On Sun, 17 Apr 2022, Mark Knecht wrote: On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 8:14 AM Jude DaShiell wrote: Has the links browser crashed other computers when used with speakup? If it turns out I'm not unique maybe a safer browser choice ought to go on the next minimal iso. To start, as you mention speakup, if you are yourself blind I acknowledge at the outset my suggestions below may not be the most practical. I'd start by doing everything I could to ensure the underlying motherboard and memory are stable: 1) Disconnect all external devices other than your keyboard 2) Disconnect all internal drives other than the one you need to install to 3) Remove all memory except for 1 stick 4) If the machine has a motherboard VGA AND you have a card-based GPU then remove that card 5) Leave wired ethernet connected if the machine and your network support it. At that point run memtest86 from USB or a DVD. If it's stable then start adding back memory. Double check that all memory is the same spec. I bought a used MB recently with 6 sticks but 2 of them weren't the same as the other 4. If all of that works I'd install some very light distro - probably Ubuntu Server but you're free to choose - with the goal to get a Linux kernel running. At that point I'm probably going to install something like btop and watch temperatures. If all that worked then you've made forward progress. If it doesn't you've also made forward progress. Good luck, Mark
[gentoo-user] Re: systemd-boot on openrc
Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:42:35 -00 Martin Vaeth wrote: >> Peter Humphrey wrote: >> > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 14:54:50 -00 Rich Freeman wrote: >> >> Can't you just fix your USE flags with systemd-utils? Why revert? >> > >> > No, because the flag I'd need is 'boot', and that triggers switching from >> > elogind to systemd. >> >> No, USE=boot for systemd-util does not trigger anything like that. > > I meant, if I set that flag, portage wants me to remove elogind andinstall > systemd. Maybe, but the fault is certainly not this flag but something else. For instance, that you do not have keyworded something which you should have.
Re: [gentoo-user] for the speakup users on the list
Yes, I am blind and can disassemble computers okay but never could learn to assemble them since the equipment to test memory external to computers has been and will remain inaccessible. This if it's done will have to be done by a repair shop and likely will cost more to repair this machine than replace it if that much work is involved. On Sun, 17 Apr 2022, Mark Knecht wrote: > On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 8:14 AM Jude DaShiell wrote: > > > > Has the links browser crashed other computers when used with speakup? If > > it turns out I'm not unique maybe a safer browser choice ought to go on > > the next minimal iso. > > > > > > To start, as you mention speakup, if you are yourself blind I acknowledge > at the outset my suggestions below may not be the most practical. > > I'd start by doing everything I could to ensure the underlying motherboard > and memory are stable: > > 1) Disconnect all external devices other than your keyboard > 2) Disconnect all internal drives other than the one you need to install to > 3) Remove all memory except for 1 stick > 4) If the machine has a motherboard VGA AND you have a card-based > GPU then remove that card > 5) Leave wired ethernet connected if the machine and your network > support it. > > At that point run memtest86 from USB or a DVD. If it's stable then > start adding back memory. Double check that all memory is the > same spec. I bought a used MB recently with 6 sticks but 2 of them > weren't the same as the other 4. > > If all of that works I'd install some very light distro - probably > Ubuntu Server but you're free to choose - with the goal to > get a Linux kernel running. At that point I'm probably going to > install something like btop and watch temperatures. > > If all that worked then you've made forward progress. If it > doesn't you've also made forward progress. > > Good luck, > Mark > >
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd-boot on openrc
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:42:35 -00 Martin Vaeth wrote: > Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 14:54:50 -00 Rich Freeman wrote: > >> Can't you just fix your USE flags with systemd-utils? Why revert? > > > > No, because the flag I'd need is 'boot', and that triggers switching from > > elogind to systemd. > > No, USE=boot for systemd-util does not trigger anything like that. I meant, if I set that flag, portage wants me to remove elogind andinstall systemd. -- Regards, Peter.
[gentoo-user] Re: How to make a boot menu?
Michael wrote: > From: Michael > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:52:34 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: >> > Why not try rEFInd? It handles UEFI booting simply, without the >> > no-longer-needed bloat of GRUB. >> >> Hm. If I'm reading the wiki right, it can't handle choice of run levels with >> a selected kernel. Or is that wrong? > > From what I understand you should be able to tweak kernel command line options > in /boot/EFI/gentoo/refind_linux.conf. You can only choose between fixed combinations. Nothing like the possibilities of grub to choose e.g. options for resolution in one variable, options for boot system in another variable etc and to combine all of those (without adding an exponential number of options to select from). Not to speak about the possibility to edit the command line freely.
Re: [gentoo-user] How to make a boot menu?
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:38:23 -00 Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:12:29 -00 Michael wrote: > > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:52:34 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: > > > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 14:33:01 -00 Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > > Why not try rEFInd? It handles UEFI booting simply, without the > > > > no-longer-needed bloat of GRUB. > > > > > > Hm. If I'm reading the wiki right, it can't handle choice of run levels > > > with a selected kernel. Or is that wrong? > > > > From what I understand you should be able to tweak kernel command line > > options in /boot/EFI/gentoo/refind_linux.conf. > > Ah, right. I'll have a look at that. I'm writing this on an Android tablet in my local, over VNC. Technology rules, OK? -- Regards, Peter.
[gentoo-user] Re: systemd-boot on openrc
Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 14:54:50 -00 Rich Freeman wrote: >> >> Can't you just fix your USE flags with systemd-utils? Why revert? > > No, because the flag I'd need is 'boot', and that triggers switching from > elogind to systemd. No, USE=boot for systemd-util does not trigger anything like that.
Re: [gentoo-user] How to make a boot menu?
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:12:29 -00 Michael wrote: > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:52:34 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 14:33:01 -00 Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > Why not try rEFInd? It handles UEFI booting simply, without the > > > no-longer-needed bloat of GRUB. > > > > Hm. If I'm reading the wiki right, it can't handle choice of run levels > > with a selected kernel. Or is that wrong? > > From what I understand you should be able to tweak kernel command line > options in /boot/EFI/gentoo/refind_linux.conf. Ah, right. I'll have a look at that. -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] for the speakup users on the list
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 8:14 AM Jude DaShiell wrote: > > Has the links browser crashed other computers when used with speakup? If > it turns out I'm not unique maybe a safer browser choice ought to go on > the next minimal iso. > > To start, as you mention speakup, if you are yourself blind I acknowledge at the outset my suggestions below may not be the most practical. I'd start by doing everything I could to ensure the underlying motherboard and memory are stable: 1) Disconnect all external devices other than your keyboard 2) Disconnect all internal drives other than the one you need to install to 3) Remove all memory except for 1 stick 4) If the machine has a motherboard VGA AND you have a card-based GPU then remove that card 5) Leave wired ethernet connected if the machine and your network support it. At that point run memtest86 from USB or a DVD. If it's stable then start adding back memory. Double check that all memory is the same spec. I bought a used MB recently with 6 sticks but 2 of them weren't the same as the other 4. If all of that works I'd install some very light distro - probably Ubuntu Server but you're free to choose - with the goal to get a Linux kernel running. At that point I'm probably going to install something like btop and watch temperatures. If all that worked then you've made forward progress. If it doesn't you've also made forward progress. Good luck, Mark
Re: [gentoo-user] How to make a boot menu?
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:52:34 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 14:33:01 -00 Neil Bothwick wrote: > > Why not try rEFInd? It handles UEFI booting simply, without the > > no-longer-needed bloat of GRUB. > > Hm. If I'm reading the wiki right, it can't handle choice of run levels with > a selected kernel. Or is that wrong? >From what I understand you should be able to tweak kernel command line options in /boot/EFI/gentoo/refind_linux.conf. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] How to make a boot menu?
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 15:33:01 BST Neil Bothwick wrote: > On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 13:45:37 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > > I use bootctl from sys-boot/systemd-boot to creat a boot-time menu > > (photo attached) from which I choose what system I want to run. This > > has worked well, but I'm not confident I'll be able to mix systemd and > > openrc like this for much longer. > > [snip] > > > My question is how to do this in Grub. > > Why not try rEFInd? It handles UEFI booting simply, without the > no-longer-needed bloat of GRUB. +1 for the relative simplicity of rEFInd. I've only used it on a MacBook Pro, some years ago now, but it worked like a champ to dual boot Gentoo: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Refind GRUB is rather bloated, because it tries to be all things to all men. However, you don't have to use GRUB's mkconfig command to automatically generate a boot menu. You still can author manually your very own grub.cfg as described further down this page: https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/grub.html#Booting Then you'll configure whatever GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX kernel options you need. There's also syslinux, which I have only used once. It worked. Not sure if it meets your needs, but I mention it for completeness: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Syslinux signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] How to make a boot menu?
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 14:33:01 -00 Neil Bothwick wrote: > Why not try rEFInd? It handles UEFI booting simply, without the > no-longer-needed bloat of GRUB. Hm. If I'm reading the wiki right, it can't handle choice of run levels with a selected kernel. Or is that wrong? -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd-boot on openrc
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 14:54:50 -00 Rich Freeman wrote: > On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 9:03 AM Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 12:13:06 -00 Neil Bothwick wrote: > > > > --->8 > > > > > It looks like this is cause my using mixed keywords, amd64 for udev and > > > ~amd64 for systemd-boot/utils. Does keywording udev-250 resolve the > > > blocks? > > > > Yes, after keywording several others, thus: > > > > ~sys-apps/systemd-tmpfiles-249.9 > > ~sys-apps/systemd-utils-250.4 > > ~sys-fs/udev-250 > > ~virtual/tmpfiles-0-r2 > > > > But then, after rebooting because of the udev update, systemd-boot-250-r1 > > has come in. I can't revert those keywords though, because then I'd have > > to ditch elogind in favour of systemd. I really do not want to do that. > > Can't you just fix your USE flags with systemd-utils? Why revert? No, because the flag I'd need is 'boot', and that triggers switching from elogind to systemd. > If I need to bump a package up to ~arch temporarily usually I just do > it with an atom like " that, so that I keep getting ~arch updates within the major version, > but the next major bump happens when it hits stable. Obviously you > need to understand the versioning/stabilization policies for the > packages involved if you do that, and it is situational, but you > really shouldn't be mixing keywords anyway unless you're comfortable > with that. No, I know it's a bad idea to mix keywords, but how else do I get systemd-boot on a stable system? -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo uninstallable on this hardware
What you describe may be a hardware problem, but it could also be related to the kernel options enabled in the Live-USB media. I've had some MoBos overheating when booting with one Live media OS, but not another. Chroot-ing was OK, but trying to build anything thereafter ended up in overheating and a crash. I suggest you try some other Live-USB and see if the problem persists. You can install Gentoo from any Live-CD/DVD/USB, you don't need to restrict yourself to the Gentoo offering. Essentially you're looking for a kernel with more options for the CPU scheduler. Alternatively, you could try setting a max CPU frequency in the scheduler before you kick off with any resource intensive installation step and see if this works for you. Check for the options to tweak under: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq On Sunday, 17 April 2022 16:06:56 BST Jude DaShiell wrote: > I have had several system crashes trying a gentoo install. > These crashes involve the loss of speakup and no capability to resurrect > speakup either. > Further to that, when the system is shutdown it cannot be restarted > without use of the reset button additional to the power button. > When I take my finger off the reset button, the fan inside the computer > speeds up and the system dies again with the fan turning off. > It could be I have hardware problems over here and will have to replace > this system soon. > Most recent crash happened after opening links on the gentoo page itself. > So far, gentoo is the only flavor of linux used around here that crashes > my hardware like that. It was suggested the special glue holding the fan > to the cpu may have given out and in that case it's time for a new > computer. > > In any case, this has been max frustrating. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] gentoo uninstallable on this hardware
On 4/17/22 11:06, Jude DaShiell wrote: ... Most recent crash happened after opening links on the gentoo page itself. So far, gentoo is the only flavor of linux used around here that crashes my hardware like that. It was suggested the special glue holding the fan to the cpu may have given out and in that case it's time for a new computer. I don't believe that is glue, but thermal compound, which is supposed to assist the flow of heat from the CPU to the heat sink. If that is the problem, then your shutdowns would be due to overheating. Depending on the particular motherboard/CPU combination, it should be possible for someone to remove the fan and heat sink from the CPU, clean off the old compound, and replace the heat sink using new thermal compound. I don't know if there is any way for you to monitor the CPU temperature or at least get a warning if that is the reason for the shutdown. In any case, this has been max frustrating. Quite understandable. Jack
[gentoo-user] for the speakup users on the list
Has the links browser crashed other computers when used with speakup? If it turns out I'm not unique maybe a safer browser choice ought to go on the next minimal iso.
[gentoo-user] gentoo uninstallable on this hardware
I have had several system crashes trying a gentoo install. These crashes involve the loss of speakup and no capability to resurrect speakup either. Further to that, when the system is shutdown it cannot be restarted without use of the reset button additional to the power button. When I take my finger off the reset button, the fan inside the computer speeds up and the system dies again with the fan turning off. It could be I have hardware problems over here and will have to replace this system soon. Most recent crash happened after opening links on the gentoo page itself. So far, gentoo is the only flavor of linux used around here that crashes my hardware like that. It was suggested the special glue holding the fan to the cpu may have given out and in that case it's time for a new computer. In any case, this has been max frustrating.
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd-boot on openrc
On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 9:03 AM Peter Humphrey wrote: > > On Sunday, 17 April 2022 12:13:06 -00 Neil Bothwick wrote: > > --->8 > > It looks like this is cause my using mixed keywords, amd64 for udev and > > ~amd64 for systemd-boot/utils. Does keywording udev-250 resolve the > > blocks? > > Yes, after keywording several others, thus: > > ~sys-apps/systemd-tmpfiles-249.9 > ~sys-apps/systemd-utils-250.4 > ~sys-fs/udev-250 > ~virtual/tmpfiles-0-r2 > > But then, after rebooting because of the udev update, systemd-boot-250-r1 has > come in. I can't revert those keywords though, because then I'd have to ditch > elogind in favour of systemd. I really do not want to do that. Can't you just fix your USE flags with systemd-utils? Why revert? If I need to bump a package up to ~arch temporarily usually I just do it with an atom like "
Re: [gentoo-user] How to make a boot menu?
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 13:45:37 +, Peter Humphrey wrote: > I use bootctl from sys-boot/systemd-boot to creat a boot-time menu > (photo attached) from which I choose what system I want to run. This > has worked well, but I'm not confident I'll be able to mix systemd and > openrc like this for much longer. [snip] > My question is how to do this in Grub. Why not try rEFInd? It handles UEFI booting simply, without the no-longer-needed bloat of GRUB. -- Neil Bothwick I am Scooby Doo of Borg- Reware roo re arimorated, Raggy! pgpeEv2DbQPsz.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard drive error from SMART
On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 6:06 PM Dale wrote: > > Mark Knecht wrote: > > On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 3:53 PM Dale wrote: > > > > Maybe this is a good excuse > >> to start working on a NAS. :/ > > That's my vote. (For the second time) > > > > I'm using a FreeBSD Nas (TrueNAS) but they recently came out with a > > Linux version which you might be more comfortable with. If you use a > > 1Gb/S or higher network connection it's quite fast. > > > > You can also go the Synology route via Amazon. You can get a 2-disk > > NAS chassis which does RAID for around $250 last time I looked. > > > > Good luck whatever you do. > > > > Mark > > Other than being another piece of equipment running up a light bill, it > is the best way to deal with this. The way I'm doing now is a bit of a > struggle at times. I just need to get other things done first, from a > money perspective which inflation isn't helping on. A trip to the > grocery story is no fun anymore. > > One of these days tho. I just gotta do it. > > Dale I hear you about groceries and inflation. Wol pushed me to build my first one just using an old computer. I had an old machine - case, power supply with a bad motherboard so I purchased an i3-2120 CPU @ 3.30GHz motherboard with 8GB memory used at a computer store for $40. Surprisingly that's more than enough CPU & memory for basic backups. No matter what you're going to have to pay for the drives whether they go in your box, in external cases or in a backup machine. I only turn it on to do backups or to retrieve data so not much electricity.
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd-boot on openrc
On Sunday, 17 April 2022 12:13:06 -00 Neil Bothwick wrote: --->8 > It looks like this is cause my using mixed keywords, amd64 for udev and > ~amd64 for systemd-boot/utils. Does keywording udev-250 resolve the > blocks? Yes, after keywording several others, thus: ~sys-apps/systemd-tmpfiles-249.9 ~sys-apps/systemd-utils-250.4 ~sys-fs/udev-250 ~virtual/tmpfiles-0-r2 But then, after rebooting because of the udev update, systemd-boot-250-r1 has come in. I can't revert those keywords though, because then I'd have to ditch elogind in favour of systemd. I really do not want to do that. So I have a running system now - thanks. If this gets more complicated in future, I can always try blocking =>sys-boot/systemd-boot-250. > > On another system, ~amd64 openrc, I was > > told to set USE=boot on systemd-utils, so I did that and now when I > > boot I have no mouse or keyboard. > > > > Is this the end of the road for systemd-boot on openrc? > > I think that USE flag just causes the systemd-boot part of systemd-utils > to be built. systemd-boot itself is just a virtual now. It doesn't sound > like that would cause this problem, did you emerge anything X related at > the same time? Nope, nothing else. And I forgot to say that smartd failed to start on that machine too, with nothing in dmesg or /var/log/messages. (I'm working on that machine via ssh.) -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] systemd-boot on openrc
On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 11:41:23 +, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> I've been using bootctl from sys-boot/systemd-boot for several years,
> with some success, but I'm stuck after today's --sync.
>
> First I was told I had to keyword sys-apps/systemd-utils, so I did
> that, but now I get this, which I can't decode:
>
> Calculating dependencies ... . . done!
> [ebuild N~] sys-apps/systemd-utils-250.4::gentoo USE="boot
> (split-usr) sysusers tmpfiles udev (-selinux) -test" ABI_X86="(64) -32
> (-x32)" 10,872 KiB [ebuild U ~] sys-boot/systemd-boot-250::gentoo
> [249.9::gentoo] 0 KiB [blocks b ] (" sys-apps/systemd-utils-250.4) [blocks B ]
> soft blocking sys-apps/systemd-utils-250.4) [blocks B ]
> apps/systemd-utils-250.4)
>
> Total: 2 packages (1 upgrade, 1 new), Size of downloads: 10,872 KiB
> Conflict: 3 blocks (2 unsatisfied)
>
> * Error: The above package list contains packages which cannot be
> * installed at the same time on the same system.
>
> (sys-apps/systemd-tmpfiles-249.9-2:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in
> by sys-apps/systemd-tmpfiles required by
> (virtual/tmpfiles-0-r1-1:0/0::gentoo, installed) USE="" ABI_X86="(64)"
>
> (sys-apps/systemd-utils-250.4:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for
> merge) pulled in by
> sys-apps/systemd-utils[udev] required by (sys-boot/systemd-
> boot-250:0/0::gentoo, ebuild scheduled for merge) USE="" ABI_X86="(64)"
>
> (sys-fs/udev-249.6-r2-3:0/0::gentoo, installed) pulled in by
> >=sys-fs/
> udev-232:0/0[abi_x86_32(-)?,abi_x86_64(-)?,abi_x86_x32(-)?,abi_mips_n32(-)?,abi_mips_n64(-)?,abi_mips_o32(-)?,abi_s390_32(-)?,abi_s390_64(-)?]
>
> (>=sys-fs/udev-232:0/0[abi_x86_64(-)]) required by
> (virtual/libudev-232- r5-2:0/1::gentoo, installed) USE="-systemd"
> ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)"
> >=sys-fs/udev-217 required by (virtual/udev-217-r3-1:0/0::gentoo,
> installed) USE="" ABI_X86="(64)"
>
> This is an amd64 openrc system.
It looks like this is cause my using mixed keywords, amd64 for udev and
~amd64 for systemd-boot/utils. Does keywording udev-250 resolve the
blocks?
> On another system, ~amd64 openrc, I was
> told to set USE=boot on systemd-utils, so I did that and now when I
> boot I have no mouse or keyboard.
>
> Is this the end of the road for systemd-boot on openrc?
I think that USE flag just causes the systemd-boot part of systemd-utils
to be built. systemd-boot itself is just a virtual now. It doesn't sound
like that would cause this problem, did you emerge anything X related at
the same time?
--
Neil Bothwick
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[gentoo-user] systemd-boot on openrc
Hello list, I've been using bootctl from sys-boot/systemd-boot for several years, with some success, but I'm stuck after today's --sync. First I was told I had to keyword sys-apps/systemd-utils, so I did that, but now I get this, which I can't decode: Calculating dependencies ... . . done! [ebuild N~] sys-apps/systemd-utils-250.4::gentoo USE="boot (split-usr) sysusers tmpfiles udev (-selinux) -test" ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)" 10,872 KiB [ebuild U ~] sys-boot/systemd-boot-250::gentoo [249.9::gentoo] 0 KiB [blocks b ] =sys-fs/ udev-232:0/0[abi_x86_32(-)?,abi_x86_64(-)?,abi_x86_x32(-)?,abi_mips_n32(-)?,abi_mips_n64(-)?,abi_mips_o32(-)?,abi_s390_32(-)?,abi_s390_64(-)?] (>=sys-fs/udev-232:0/0[abi_x86_64(-)]) required by (virtual/libudev-232- r5-2:0/1::gentoo, installed) USE="-systemd" ABI_X86="(64) -32 (-x32)" >=sys-fs/udev-217 required by (virtual/udev-217-r3-1:0/0::gentoo, installed) USE="" ABI_X86="(64)" This is an amd64 openrc system. On another system, ~amd64 openrc, I was told to set USE=boot on systemd-utils, so I did that and now when I boot I have no mouse or keyboard. Is this the end of the road for systemd-boot on openrc? -- Regards, Peter.
Re: [gentoo-user] x11-misc/sddm-0.18.1-r6 exits inexplicably
On Sunday, 10 April 2022 17:06:17 BST Michael wrote: > On Sunday, 10 April 2022 16:31:01 BST Neil Bothwick wrote: > > On Sun, 10 Apr 2022 15:45:39 +0100, Michael wrote: > > > > The laptop has an ethernet NIC on the MoBo, which is gimped at > > > > 100Mbps. This is not used under normal circumstances. Instead I use > > > > a USB 3.0 1Gbps ethernet adaptor. Following your prompts I unplugged > > > > the USB ethernet adaptor, connected the ethernet cable to the NIC on > > > > the MoBo and rebooted. No problem. SDDM launches as it should. > > > > > > > > So this could be udev related? While udev isrobing the USB adaptor > > > > and starting the dhcp negotiation, somehow this sequence interferes > > > > with the SSDM starting up? > > > > > > I replaced the USB ethernet adaptor with a USB wireless adaptor, > > > plugged into the same port. Rebooted and SDDM starts normally. So, > > > this problem only occurs when I have the wired USB adaptor plugged in. > > > What could be a possible cause? > > > > Does it still do it when the USB adaptor is plugged in with no cable? > > No, it only occurs when the ethernet cable is connected to the USB adaptor. > Hmm ... is your DNS statement coming back to haunt me? O_O Still unable to get SDDM to come up when the ethernet cable is connected to the USB NIC adaptor dongle. :-( I added "rc_start_wait=500" in '/etc/conf.d/display-manager' just in case delaying SDDM would allow it to launch without any interference from the network configuration and start up, but it made no difference. The only way for SDDM to launch successfully is to make sure the ethernet cable is unplugged from the USB NIC adaptor at boot, or to use a different NIC. Is there something which might explain this behaviour? :-/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] Hard drive error from SMART
On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 23:44:58 -0500, Dale wrote: > >> That's even more typing than /dev/sdk. Some things I do easily by > >> using tab completion and all. When mounting, I let fstab remember > >> the UUID for it. > > That's what copy/paste is for. How often are you editing your > > crypttab anyway? This way when you move drives around they still > > work. > > What is crypttab? I type in the command manually. Then use a shell alias, even less typing. -- Neil Bothwick Ninety-Ninety Rule Of Project Schedules - The first ninety percent of the task takes ninety percent of the time, and the last ten percent takes the other ninety percent of the time. pgpiVTyW_1cBX.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
