Re: [gentoo-user] Re: About the change from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Dale wrote: You been around here long enough to know about me and hal? Surely not or you wouldn't be asking for it. I have to admit, I'm not nearly as pissed as I was tho. lol I'm just not going to try putting it on here again. It didn't work. I couldn't configure the thing so that it would. I removed it. I better stop now. ;-) :-) I wasn't really serious... But I've been around for quite a while, just haven't had much time to make an impression. I've been using Gentoo since 2003 (or maybe 2004, don't remember). Before that it was LFS (Linux From Scratch), before that redhat, suse various binary distros which I got tired of... before that it was Amiga (I even ran Linux on it, some sort of floppy based distro, with kernel 1.something, back in the mid 90'ies, think 95' or 96'). So I've been around... :-) Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: About the change from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Dale wrote: I think it is hal that does this. You can make up your own rules if you want, and can, to force it to do what you want. Thing is, the config file is a mess. It's xml and if you don't know xml, well, it ain't pretty. The rules go into /etc/hal/ somewhere. I don't use hal here so this is just info. As I understand it, Harry wished to control X output (i.e. the virtual screen size). As far as I know, all configuration for _output_ devices is done in xorg.conf. HAL (if one is so inclined ;-) takes care of the _input_ devices... I'm not going to get started on hal folks. Just trying to point a little. Relax and breathe. Oh, please! I don't mind... ;-) Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: About the change from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
pk wrote: Dale wrote: I think it is hal that does this. You can make up your own rules if you want, and can, to force it to do what you want. Thing is, the config file is a mess. It's xml and if you don't know xml, well, it ain't pretty. The rules go into /etc/hal/ somewhere. I don't use hal here so this is just info. As I understand it, Harry wished to control X output (i.e. the virtual screen size). As far as I know, all configuration for _output_ devices is done in xorg.conf. HAL (if one is so inclined ;-) takes care of the _input_ devices... I'm not going to get started on hal folks. Just trying to point a little. Relax and breathe. Oh, please! I don't mind... ;-) Best regards Peter K You been around here long enough to know about me and hal? Surely not or you wouldn't be asking for it. I have to admit, I'm not nearly as pissed as I was tho. lol I'm just not going to try putting it on here again. It didn't work. I couldn't configure the thing so that it would. I removed it. I better stop now. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: About the change from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
On Tuesday 19 January 2010 22:37:14 Dale wrote: You been around here long enough to know about me and hal? Surely not or you wouldn't be asking for it. I have to admit, I'm not nearly as pissed as I was tho. nah, you just found a new target: KDE-4 hehehehehehe -- alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: About the change from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Alan McKinnon wrote: On Tuesday 19 January 2010 22:37:14 Dale wrote: You been around here long enough to know about me and hal? Surely not or you wouldn't be asking for it. I have to admit, I'm not nearly as pissed as I was tho. nah, you just found a new target: KDE-4 hehehehehehe I like KDE 4. It just doesn't do what I need it to do just yet. I believe it will once the devs get around to fixing or adding some more code. They just expect to much out of it yet and dropped what was working to soon. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: About the change from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:31:09 -0600, Dale wrote: I like KDE 4. It just doesn't do what I need it to do just yet. I believe it will once the devs get around to fixing or adding some more code. They just expect to much out of it yet and dropped what was working to soon. If it was working, there was no development to stop :P -- Neil Bothwick A clean desk is a sign of a cluttered desk drawer. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: About the change from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:31:09 -0600, Dale wrote: I like KDE 4. It just doesn't do what I need it to do just yet. I believe it will once the devs get around to fixing or adding some more code. They just expect to much out of it yet and dropped what was working to soon. If it was working, there was no development to stop :P Yea there was. Even security issues need to be fixed. What is secure today will have a hole tomorrow. There is always something to fix. I do agree that no new features should have been worked on tho. Just maintain what was already there. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: About the change from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Harry Putnam wrote: pk pete...@coolmail.se writes: Harry Putnam wrote: For now, with hal, with dbus, assuming no xorg.conf... where are custom settings regarding the X session done? Under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/... or you could continue to use the old xorg.conf since that will override what's in ...xorg.conf.d/ OK, let me try this once more: Using only the current setup, that is, one with hal and dbus installed and one that does not use xorg.conf... and apparently does not use /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d either... since that directory is not present. But yet an X display happens when I type `startx', apparently generated somewhere automatically. What I'm asking is where does one make customizations to that auto generated process... something is doing it.. some file or something is involved... but what and where? I think it is hal that does this. You can make up your own rules if you want, and can, to force it to do what you want. Thing is, the config file is a mess. It's xml and if you don't know xml, well, it ain't pretty. The rules go into /etc/hal/ somewhere. I don't use hal here so this is just info. I'm not going to get started on hal folks. Just trying to point a little. Relax and breathe. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: About the change from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Harry Putnam wrote: Using only the current setup, that is, one with hal and dbus installed and one that does not use xorg.conf... and apparently does not use /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d either... since that directory is not present. But yet an X display happens when I type `startx', apparently generated somewhere automatically. What I'm asking is where does one make customizations to that auto generated process... something is doing it.. some file or something is involved... but what and where? Ok, sorry, misinterpreted your last mail; I thought we discussed _future_ xorg layout... Anyway, xorg.conf again; afaiu, X will auto detect every setting not in xorg.conf, which means you can have a minimal xorg.conf and let X auto detect all the other settings... dependent on, of course, that your hardware plays nice (i.e. your screen sends proper edid info etc.) HTH Best regards Peter K
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: About the change from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 9:43 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: pk pete...@coolmail.se writes: Harry Putnam wrote: For now, with hal, with dbus, assuming no xorg.conf... where are custom settings regarding the X session done? Under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/... or you could continue to use the old xorg.conf since that will override what's in ...xorg.conf.d/ OK, let me try this once more: Using only the current setup, that is, one with hal and dbus installed and one that does not use xorg.conf... and apparently does not use /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d either... since that directory is not present. But yet an X display happens when I type `startx', apparently generated somewhere automatically. What I'm asking is where does one make customizations to that auto generated process... something is doing it.. some file or something is involved... but what and where? Check the X log file to see what it's doing automatically. If you're unhappy with its automatic choices you can then edit or create the policy files in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/ to make it behave the way you want. Figuring out exactly how and where to make those changes is the hard part... Googling your specific needs will usually come up with an example from somewhere out there. Also see the Gentoo Xorg 1.5 upgrade guide for some more info: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/x/x11/xorg-server-1.5-upgrade-guide.xml Good luck :)
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: About the change from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
On Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:43:58 -0600, Harry Putnam wrote: Using only the current setup, that is, one with hal and dbus installed and one that does not use xorg.conf... and apparently does not use /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d either... since that directory is not present. But yet an X display happens when I type `startx', apparently generated somewhere automatically. What I'm asking is where does one make customizations to that auto generated process... something is doing it.. some file or something is involved... but what and where? xorg.conf. X queries your hardware for any settings not given in xorg.conf. This information is not stored anywhere, it is read from your hardware each time you start X. If you want to override anything, put it in xorg.conf. If you want to see what settings X comes up with, run X -configure and look at the xorg.conf file it creates. -- Neil Bothwick SITCOM: Single Income, Two Children, Oppressive Mortgage signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: About the change from /etc/X11/xorg.conf
Harry Putnam wrote: For now, with hal, with dbus, assuming no xorg.conf... where are custom settings regarding the X session done? Under /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/... or you could continue to use the old xorg.conf since that will override what's in ...xorg.conf.d/ Best regards Peter K
