Re: [gentoo-user] New install, can't load modules
On 13/07/2015 19:47, Mick wrote:
On Monday 13 Jul 2015 17:42:22 Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
Did a new install, the new kernel can't load modules:
# modprobe nfsv3
modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nfsv3': Exec format error
Odd. Never had this before. The module file itself is a regular 64-bit
ELF file, just as it should be (compared to a working module on another
machine)
gcc is 4.8.4 as supplied by a recent stage3-amd64-20150709.tar.bz2:
# gcc -v
Using built-in specs.
COLLECT_GCC=/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.8.4/gcc
COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/libexec/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/lto-wrappe
r Target: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
Configured with:
/var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gcc-4.8.4/work/gcc-4.8.4/configure
--host=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu --build=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr
--bindir=/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.8.4
--includedir=/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/include
--datadir=/usr/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4
--mandir=/usr/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/man
--infodir=/usr/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/info
--with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/include/g++
-v4 --with-python-dir=/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/python
--enable-languages=c,c++,fortran --enable-obsolete --enable-secureplt
--disable-werror --with-system-zlib --enable-nls
--without-included-gettext --enable-checking=release
--with-bugurl=https://bugs.gentoo.org/ --with-pkgversion='Gentoo 4.8.4
p1.6, pie-0.6.1' --enable-libstdcxx-time --enable-shared
--enable-threads=posix --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-clocale=gnu
--enable-multilib --with-multilib-list=m32,m64 --disable-altivec
--disable-fixed-point --enable-targets=all --disable-libgcj
--enable-libgomp --disable-libmudflap --disable-libssp --enable-lto
--without-cloog --enable-libsanitizer
Thread model: posix
gcc version 4.8.4 (Gentoo 4.8.4 p1.6, pie-0.6.1)
make.conf seems correct:
CHOST=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
CFLAGS=-march=native -O2 -pipe
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~amd64
The kernel loads and runs OK:
# uname -a
Linux download 4.1.2-gentoo #1 SMP Mon Jul 13 13:28:40 SAST 2015 x86_64
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2720QM CPU @ 2.20GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
and the kernel was built with gcc auto-detection:
# grep NATIVE /boot/config-4.1.2-gentoo
CONFIG_MNATIVE=y
and the .config was grabbed from a working machine with very similar
hardware (one minor hardware upgrade ahead)
I haven't done a full world update yet, most code is still what's in the
stage3, but always in the past that hasn't been a problem; the stage
must successfully build a kernel and load the modules.
Module loading works just fine when booted from the Gentoo minimal
install image.
So, what dumbass n00b error did I make today?
--
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Does 'modprobe -nv' say anything useful?
Anything of interest in '/var/log/dmesg'?
Just in case you missed it on the enthusiasm of a new install, have you set:
CONFIG_MODULES=y
Yes, that's set. And the kernel correctly loads modules it finds it
needs on startup. I just can't do it from userspace.
and of course built as modules whatever you're modprobing.
BTW, is the module in question called 'nfsv3', or is it 'nfs'? I don't use
it
myself to know.
The name is correct. There's a module nfs for core stuff and nfsv3
nfsv4 fr the different versions.
--
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, can't load modules
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:
Did a new install, the new kernel can't load modules:
# modprobe nfsv3
modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nfsv3': Exec format error
Odd. Never had this before. The module file itself is a regular 64-bit
ELF file, just as it should be (compared to a working module on another
machine)
gcc is 4.8.4 as supplied by a recent stage3-amd64-20150709.tar.bz2:
# gcc -v
Using built-in specs.
COLLECT_GCC=/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.8.4/gcc
COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/libexec/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/lto-wrapper
Target: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
Configured with:
/var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gcc-4.8.4/work/gcc-4.8.4/configure
--host=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu --build=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr
--bindir=/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.8.4
--includedir=/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/include
--datadir=/usr/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4
--mandir=/usr/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/man
--infodir=/usr/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/info
--with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/include/g++-v4
--with-python-dir=/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/python
--enable-languages=c,c++,fortran --enable-obsolete --enable-secureplt
--disable-werror --with-system-zlib --enable-nls
--without-included-gettext --enable-checking=release
--with-bugurl=https://bugs.gentoo.org/ --with-pkgversion='Gentoo 4.8.4
p1.6, pie-0.6.1' --enable-libstdcxx-time --enable-shared
--enable-threads=posix --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-clocale=gnu
--enable-multilib --with-multilib-list=m32,m64 --disable-altivec
--disable-fixed-point --enable-targets=all --disable-libgcj
--enable-libgomp --disable-libmudflap --disable-libssp --enable-lto
--without-cloog --enable-libsanitizer
Thread model: posix
gcc version 4.8.4 (Gentoo 4.8.4 p1.6, pie-0.6.1)
make.conf seems correct:
CHOST=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
CFLAGS=-march=native -O2 -pipe
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~amd64
The kernel loads and runs OK:
# uname -a
Linux download 4.1.2-gentoo #1 SMP Mon Jul 13 13:28:40 SAST 2015 x86_64
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2720QM CPU @ 2.20GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
and the kernel was built with gcc auto-detection:
# grep NATIVE /boot/config-4.1.2-gentoo
CONFIG_MNATIVE=y
and the .config was grabbed from a working machine with very similar
hardware (one minor hardware upgrade ahead)
I haven't done a full world update yet, most code is still what's in the
stage3, but always in the past that hasn't been a problem; the stage
must successfully build a kernel and load the modules.
Module loading works just fine when booted from the Gentoo minimal
install image.
So, what dumbass n00b error did I make today?
--
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Does 'modprobe -nv' say anything useful?
Anything of interest in '/var/log/dmesg'?
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, can't load modules
On Monday 13 Jul 2015 17:42:22 Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
Did a new install, the new kernel can't load modules:
# modprobe nfsv3
modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nfsv3': Exec format error
Odd. Never had this before. The module file itself is a regular 64-bit
ELF file, just as it should be (compared to a working module on another
machine)
gcc is 4.8.4 as supplied by a recent stage3-amd64-20150709.tar.bz2:
# gcc -v
Using built-in specs.
COLLECT_GCC=/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.8.4/gcc
COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/libexec/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/lto-wrappe
r Target: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
Configured with:
/var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gcc-4.8.4/work/gcc-4.8.4/configure
--host=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu --build=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr
--bindir=/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.8.4
--includedir=/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/include
--datadir=/usr/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4
--mandir=/usr/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/man
--infodir=/usr/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/info
--with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/include/g++
-v4 --with-python-dir=/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/python
--enable-languages=c,c++,fortran --enable-obsolete --enable-secureplt
--disable-werror --with-system-zlib --enable-nls
--without-included-gettext --enable-checking=release
--with-bugurl=https://bugs.gentoo.org/ --with-pkgversion='Gentoo 4.8.4
p1.6, pie-0.6.1' --enable-libstdcxx-time --enable-shared
--enable-threads=posix --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-clocale=gnu
--enable-multilib --with-multilib-list=m32,m64 --disable-altivec
--disable-fixed-point --enable-targets=all --disable-libgcj
--enable-libgomp --disable-libmudflap --disable-libssp --enable-lto
--without-cloog --enable-libsanitizer
Thread model: posix
gcc version 4.8.4 (Gentoo 4.8.4 p1.6, pie-0.6.1)
make.conf seems correct:
CHOST=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
CFLAGS=-march=native -O2 -pipe
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~amd64
The kernel loads and runs OK:
# uname -a
Linux download 4.1.2-gentoo #1 SMP Mon Jul 13 13:28:40 SAST 2015 x86_64
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2720QM CPU @ 2.20GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
and the kernel was built with gcc auto-detection:
# grep NATIVE /boot/config-4.1.2-gentoo
CONFIG_MNATIVE=y
and the .config was grabbed from a working machine with very similar
hardware (one minor hardware upgrade ahead)
I haven't done a full world update yet, most code is still what's in the
stage3, but always in the past that hasn't been a problem; the stage
must successfully build a kernel and load the modules.
Module loading works just fine when booted from the Gentoo minimal
install image.
So, what dumbass n00b error did I make today?
--
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Does 'modprobe -nv' say anything useful?
Anything of interest in '/var/log/dmesg'?
Just in case you missed it on the enthusiasm of a new install, have you set:
CONFIG_MODULES=y
and of course built as modules whatever you're modprobing.
BTW, is the module in question called 'nfsv3', or is it 'nfs'? I don't use it
myself to know.
--
Regards,
Mick
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, can't load modules
On 13/07/2015 18:42, Alexander Kapshuk wrote:
On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
wrote:
Did a new install, the new kernel can't load modules:
# modprobe nfsv3
modprobe: ERROR: could not insert 'nfsv3': Exec format error
Odd. Never had this before. The module file itself is a regular 64-bit
ELF file, just as it should be (compared to a working module on another
machine)
gcc is 4.8.4 as supplied by a recent stage3-amd64-20150709.tar.bz2:
# gcc -v
Using built-in specs.
COLLECT_GCC=/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.8.4/gcc
COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/libexec/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/lto-wrapper
Target: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
Configured with:
/var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gcc-4.8.4/work/gcc-4.8.4/configure
--host=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu --build=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu --prefix=/usr
--bindir=/usr/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/4.8.4
--includedir=/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/include
--datadir=/usr/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4
--mandir=/usr/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/man
--infodir=/usr/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/info
--with-gxx-include-dir=/usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/include/g++-v4
--with-python-dir=/share/gcc-data/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/4.8.4/python
--enable-languages=c,c++,fortran --enable-obsolete --enable-secureplt
--disable-werror --with-system-zlib --enable-nls
--without-included-gettext --enable-checking=release
--with-bugurl=https://bugs.gentoo.org/ --with-pkgversion='Gentoo 4.8.4
p1.6, pie-0.6.1' --enable-libstdcxx-time --enable-shared
--enable-threads=posix --enable-__cxa_atexit --enable-clocale=gnu
--enable-multilib --with-multilib-list=m32,m64 --disable-altivec
--disable-fixed-point --enable-targets=all --disable-libgcj
--enable-libgomp --disable-libmudflap --disable-libssp --enable-lto
--without-cloog --enable-libsanitizer
Thread model: posix
gcc version 4.8.4 (Gentoo 4.8.4 p1.6, pie-0.6.1)
make.conf seems correct:
CHOST=x86_64-pc-linux-gnu
CFLAGS=-march=native -O2 -pipe
CXXFLAGS=${CFLAGS}
ACCEPT_KEYWORDS=~amd64
The kernel loads and runs OK:
# uname -a
Linux download 4.1.2-gentoo #1 SMP Mon Jul 13 13:28:40 SAST 2015 x86_64
Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-2720QM CPU @ 2.20GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
and the kernel was built with gcc auto-detection:
# grep NATIVE /boot/config-4.1.2-gentoo
CONFIG_MNATIVE=y
and the .config was grabbed from a working machine with very similar
hardware (one minor hardware upgrade ahead)
I haven't done a full world update yet, most code is still what's in the
stage3, but always in the past that hasn't been a problem; the stage
must successfully build a kernel and load the modules.
Module loading works just fine when booted from the Gentoo minimal
install image.
So, what dumbass n00b error did I make today?
--
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Does 'modprobe -nv' say anything useful?
Anything of interest in '/var/log/dmesg'?
I hang my head in shame (and not for the first time either)
/boot in fstab had option noauto, so all my kernels were installed to
the / volume.
The real /boot volume had a valid kernel on it, from the initial install
with the minimal CD, and the .config was made with localyesconfig. It
was a perfectly valid working kernel, that just happened to NOT match
/lib/modules anymore
Fixing fstab, a few make install make modules_install lus a
grub-install just for fun fixed the whole lot.
Sorry for the noise
--
Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, can't load modules
On Mon, 13 Jul 2015 23:02:15 +0100, Mick wrote: /boot in fstab had option noauto, so all my kernels were installed to the / volume. Ahh! I always mount /boot BEFORE I cd into /usr/src out of habit, to avoid such a problem (my /boot is also set to noauto). If I were 10 years younger I would remember a trick I've read in this M/L to have /boot warn you, if it is not mounted. Hmm ... now, who posted this, ... Neil? The approach I've used is to mount /boot ro. It still protects /boot from writes, as with noauto, but it shouts at you if you try to writ to /boot instead of just pretending it succeeded and hiding the files somewhere else. -- Neil Bothwick Can vegetarians eat animal crackers? pgpOvU5krPtyP.pgp Description: OpenPGP digital signature
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, can't load modules
On Monday 13 Jul 2015 20:50:47 Alan McKinnon wrote: /boot in fstab had option noauto, so all my kernels were installed to the / volume. Ahh! I always mount /boot BEFORE I cd into /usr/src out of habit, to avoid such a problem (my /boot is also set to noauto). If I were 10 years younger I would remember a trick I've read in this M/L to have /boot warn you, if it is not mounted. Hmm ... now, who posted this, ... Neil? -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, can't load modules
On 14/07/2015 00:02, Mick wrote: On Monday 13 Jul 2015 20:50:47 Alan McKinnon wrote: /boot in fstab had option noauto, so all my kernels were installed to the / volume. Ahh! I always mount /boot BEFORE I cd into /usr/src out of habit, to avoid such a problem (my /boot is also set to noauto). If I were 10 years younger I would remember a trick I've read in this M/L to have /boot warn you, if it is not mounted. Hmm ... now, who posted this, ... Neil? I usually have /boot mounted - I don't see a threat model for my usage - and edit fstab with care, but this time I ... forgot :-( There's an envvar that helps remind you of /boot: DONT_MOUNT_BOOT it's mentioned in the elog for grub -- Alan McKinnon alan.mckin...@gmail.com
Re: [gentoo-user] new install not starting gdm (Solved)
On Tue, Sep 25 2012, Allan Gottlieb wrote: I am building a new installation and must have messed up a step as gdm doesn't start from boot If I manually execute eselect rc restart xdm I get Sep 25 20:10:51 newlap gnome-keyring-daemon[2106]: couldn't create socket directory: No such file or directory Sep 25 20:10:51 newlap gnome-keyring-daemon[2106]: couldn't bind to control socket: /root/.cache/keyring-dJpHuM/control: No such file or directory which appears to be the problem and can also be found in /log/messages I didn't have dbus started. The easy fix was eselect rc add dbus default allan
Re: [gentoo-user] new install not starting gdm
You should edit this file: /etc/conf.d/xdm . Change the DISPLAYMANAGER=xdm to DISPLAYMANAGER=gdm. then: sudo rc-update add xdm default . 2012/9/26 Allan Gottlieb gottl...@nyu.edu I am building a new installation and must have messed up a step as gdm doesn't start from boot If I manually execute eselect rc restart xdm I get Sep 25 20:10:51 newlap gnome-keyring-daemon[2106]: couldn't create socket directory: No such file or directory Sep 25 20:10:51 newlap gnome-keyring-daemon[2106]: couldn't bind to control socket: /root/.cache/keyring-dJpHuM/control: No such file or directory which appears to be the problem and can also be found in /log/messages I have installed xorg-x11, xdm and gnome and /var/log/Xorg.0.log looks OK. The only complaints are failing to load vesa, modsetting, and fbdev drivers. However, the intel driver loads fine. /var/log/dmesg ends with entries saying that EXT4-fs mounted filesystems. No gdm/xdm/X/keyring complaints. What step did I miss? thanks, allan
Re: [gentoo-user] New install on x86 and login to KDE fails
On Wednesday 31 Aug 2011 01:05:15 Dale wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: check permissions? Get some graphics hardware with not-broken drivers? I even tried a fresh new .kde directory. Same thing. The video is built in so I'm sort of stuck with it I don't have a card that will fit in it to even test the theory. Still open to ideas. Keep in mind, failsafe works as does Fluxbox. Speaking of, how do I get the Fluxbox menu to include all the KDE apps? I want the card games, kpat and such, to show up. He may can use that until I can figure out something else. Maybe a mobo with a decent video card for a start. ;-) I used to write my own when I was using Fluxbox all the time, mostly because I had my own preferences for menus/submenus/apps, menu icons, etc. However, there's a number of scripts that will parse other DE and create Fluxbox menus for you. Can't recall them off hand, have a look at the Fluxbox website - I'm sure I saw them mentioned there. I also seem to recall scripts discussed in the forums 5 years ago. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] New install on x86 and login to KDE fails
Mick wrote: On Wednesday 31 Aug 2011 01:05:15 Dale wrote: Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: check permissions? Get some graphics hardware with not-broken drivers? I even tried a fresh new .kde directory. Same thing. The video is built in so I'm sort of stuck with it I don't have a card that will fit in it to even test the theory. Still open to ideas. Keep in mind, failsafe works as does Fluxbox. Speaking of, how do I get the Fluxbox menu to include all the KDE apps? I want the card games, kpat and such, to show up. He may can use that until I can figure out something else. Maybe a mobo with a decent video card for a start. ;-) I used to write my own when I was using Fluxbox all the time, mostly because I had my own preferences for menus/submenus/apps, menu icons, etc. However, there's a number of scripts that will parse other DE and create Fluxbox menus for you. Can't recall them off hand, have a look at the Fluxbox website - I'm sure I saw them mentioned there. I also seem to recall scripts discussed in the forums5 years ago. Thanks. I'll go look some more. I been there before but I was looking for other info so I may have missed that. Thanks again. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] New install on x86 and login to KDE fails
Dale wrote: Mick wrote: On Wednesday 31 Aug 2011 01:05:15 Dale wrote: Still open to ideas. Keep in mind, failsafe works as does Fluxbox. Speaking of, how do I get the Fluxbox menu to include all the KDE apps? I want the card games, kpat and such, to show up. He may can use that until I can figure out something else. Maybe a mobo with a decent video card for a start. ;-) I used to write my own when I was using Fluxbox all the time, mostly because I had my own preferences for menus/submenus/apps, menu icons, etc. However, there's a number of scripts that will parse other DE and create Fluxbox menus for you. Can't recall them off hand, have a look at the Fluxbox website - I'm sure I saw them mentioned there. I also seem to recall scripts discussed in the forums5 years ago. Thanks. I'll go look some more. I been there before but I was looking for other info so I may have missed that. Thanks again. Dale :-) :-) For future reference, this is a good link and it works. http://en.gentoo-wiki.com/wiki/Fluxbox I ended up using the menumaker package. I also had to use the -f option to overwrite the already created file. Now I have the apps in the menu where they should be. Thanks much. Now I wish I had a better video card to fix the other problems. ;-) Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] New install on x86 and login to KDE fails
Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Hi, Am Donnerstag, 25. August 2011, 22:00:29 schrieb Mick: On Thursday 25 Aug 2011 19:10:39 Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: try disabling compositing via kwinrc before kde starts up Open .kde4/share/config/kwinrc, go to the [Compositing] section and change Enabled= true to Enabled=false I wouldn't think this is necessary. My hardware (ATI) doesn't support compositing with KDE and it disables it on its own. The only time that I have to unset it as you suggest above is if persist in overriding it after it disables it. I had one case (my Laptop), where the automatic detection of kde enabled compositing, but it did not work. I had no chance to log in without the suggested method or using safe-mode. Of course, it's just a shot in the dark :) Regards, Michael Sorry so long getting back to this. I checked this setting and it is disabled already. I also recompiled kwin just to see if it would help. It didn't. Anything else I can try? Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] New install on x86 and login to KDE fails
Am Dienstag 30 August 2011, 03:06:57 schrieb Dale: Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Hi, Am Donnerstag, 25. August 2011, 22:00:29 schrieb Mick: On Thursday 25 Aug 2011 19:10:39 Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: try disabling compositing via kwinrc before kde starts up Open .kde4/share/config/kwinrc, go to the [Compositing] section and change Enabled= true to Enabled=false I wouldn't think this is necessary. My hardware (ATI) doesn't support compositing with KDE and it disables it on its own. The only time that I have to unset it as you suggest above is if persist in overriding it after it disables it. I had one case (my Laptop), where the automatic detection of kde enabled compositing, but it did not work. I had no chance to log in without the suggested method or using safe-mode. Of course, it's just a shot in the dark :) Regards, Michael Sorry so long getting back to this. I checked this setting and it is disabled already. I also recompiled kwin just to see if it would help. It didn't. Anything else I can try? Dale :-) :-) check permissions? Get some graphics hardware with not-broken drivers? -- #163933
Re: [gentoo-user] New install on x86 and login to KDE fails
Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: check permissions? Get some graphics hardware with not-broken drivers? I even tried a fresh new .kde directory. Same thing. The video is built in so I'm sort of stuck with it I don't have a card that will fit in it to even test the theory. Still open to ideas. Keep in mind, failsafe works as does Fluxbox. Speaking of, how do I get the Fluxbox menu to include all the KDE apps? I want the card games, kpat and such, to show up. He may can use that until I can figure out something else. Maybe a mobo with a decent video card for a start. ;-) Thanks. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] New install on x86 and login to KDE fails
On Thursday, August 25, 2011 08:14:55 AM Dale wrote: Hi, I mentioned in a thread a week or so ago that I was going to install Gentoo on another box for a friend. Anyway, I got everything done and now I run into this problem. I found a thread on the forums but it seems to have just fixed itself. That's not working here tho. This is the xsessions error file for the user: startkde: Starting up... Connecting to deprecated signal QDBusConnectionInterface::serviceOwnerChanged(QString,QString,QString) kbuildsycoca4 running... No outputs have backlight property QDBusConnection: name 'org.kde.kglobalaccel' had owner '' but we thought it was ':1.5' Object::connect: No such signal QDBusAbstractInterface::DeviceAdded(QString) Object::connect: No such signal QDBusAbstractInterface::DeviceRemoved(QString) Object::connect: No such signal QDBusAbstractInterface::DeviceAdded(QDBusObjectPath) Object::connect: No such signal QDBusAbstractInterface::DeviceRemoved(QDBusObjectPath) Object::connect: No such signal QDBusAbstractInterface::DeviceChanged(QDBusObjectPath) QStringList Solid::Backends::UDisks::UDisksManager::allDevicesInternal() error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed kded(4259)/kdecore (KConfigSkeleton) KCoreConfigSkeleton::writeConfig: OpenGL vendor string: VIA Technology OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI UniChrome (KM400) 20060710 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE OpenGL version string: 1.2 Mesa 7.10.3 Driver: Unknown GPU class: Unknown OpenGL version: 1.2 Mesa version: 7.10.3 X server version: 1.10.3 Linux kernel version: 3.0.3 Direct rendering: no Requires strict binding:yes GLSL shaders: no Texture NPOT support: no kactivitymanagerd(4302): Communication problem with kactivitymanagerd , it probably crashed. Error message was: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Disconnected : Connection was disconnected before a reply was received kdeinit4: Fatal IO error: client killed kdeinit4: sending SIGHUP to children. kded(4259) PowerDevilUPowerBackend::brightness: org.kde.powerdevil.backlighthelper.brightness failed klauncher: Exiting on signal 1 kglobalaccel: Fatal IO error: client killed Qt-subapplication: Fatal IO error: client killed kwin: Fatal IO error: client killed kdeinit4: Fatal IO error: client killed kdeinit4: sending SIGHUP to children. QProcess: Destroyed while process is still running. kdeinit4: sending SIGTERM to children. kdeinit4: Exit. virtual QStringList Solid::Backends::UPower::UPowerManager::allDevices() error: org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.Spawn.ExecFailed kded4: Fatal IO error: client killed kdeinit4: sending SIGTERM to children. kdeinit4: Exit. This rig has a Athlon XP 2000 which is not to slow. My old 2500+ still works OK. It also has 1.2Gbs of ram. The only downside is the built-in video. It is a Via km400. I have tried both Mesa and Vesa for this thing but same error. It does let me login in failsafe mode tho. So, I guess KDE itself is working but something that is needed in regular mode is not working right. Any ideas on what could cause this? Are the usual suspects running? Like dbus and consolekit? which kde-package(s) did you emerge? Oh, another odd thing I noticed. When I start kdm, I can't switch back to a console. That is starting to piss me off. I can't login to KDE and it won't let me go back to a console either. Is that related or a separate issue? I have seen this myself. Some NVidia-drivers caused this. Could be that your graphics-card-driver is causing a similar issue. Can you try logging in with a text-console (eg. without /etc/init.d/xdm in your runlevel) and then start X with kde? Eg: Put the following into your ~/.xinitrc: ** exec /usr/local/kde4/bin/startkde ** ( % echo exec /usr/local/kde4/bin/startkde ~/.xinitrc ) Then start X from the command-line with: # startx The above commands do NOT need root-access. If this works, the issue is with the login. If this doesn't work, the kde- session can't start. -- Joost
Re: [gentoo-user] New install on x86 and login to KDE fails
Joost Roeleveld wrote: Are the usual suspects running? Like dbus and consolekit? Yep. I made sure dbus and consolekit was up a running. I even made sure the process was running, just to be for sure and for certain. ;-) which kde-package(s) did you emerge? I use kde-meta. I just pull in the whole thing and then I know I got everything satisfied as far as dependencies and such. Oh, another odd thing I noticed. When I start kdm, I can't switch back to a console. That is starting to piss me off. I can't login to KDE and it won't let me go back to a console either. Is that related or a separate issue? I have seen this myself. Some NVidia-drivers caused this. Could be that your graphics-card-driver is causing a similar issue. I seem to recall there is a setting somewhere that disabled this. I couldn't find it in xorg.conf but I thought it was there but maybe not. The weird part is I can type in a command, like reboot, and it reboots. It's just that the kdm screen is still there instead of the console. Weird. I wish I had a Nvidia card that would go in that thing. I'd disable the built in and use that. Can you try logging in with a text-console (eg. without /etc/init.d/xdm in your runlevel) and then start X with kde? Eg: Put the following into your ~/.xinitrc: ** exec /usr/local/kde4/bin/startkde ** ( % echo exec /usr/local/kde4/bin/startkde ~/.xinitrc ) Then start X from the command-line with: # startx The above commands do NOT need root-access. If this works, the issue is with the login. If this doesn't work, the kde- session can't start. -- Joost Well, I may later on when it cools off. I have to work on this at night when it is cool. That room has little cooling plus two fairly full freezers. Anyway, keep in mind that KDE works in failsafe mode. It logs right in but it is somewhat limited since it is failsafe mode. I'm not sure what that is really but it seemed to work different tho. Also, when I login, it seems to get to a little bit of a start then comes back to the login screen. The splash screen shows the hard drive then a couple other pics then goes back to kdm. I have no idea what those other little pics are tho. I do recognize the hard drive one tho. I also logged into Fluxbox just fine too. As usual, Fluxbox works. lol Thanks. Will post results later on when it cools off some. Supposed to be 102F today. That little room will get to at least 90F. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] New install on x86 and login to KDE fails
Hi Dale, Am Donnerstag, 25. August 2011, 08:14:55 schrieb Dale: Hi, I mentioned in a thread a week or so ago that I was going to install Gentoo on another box for a friend. Anyway, I got everything done and now I run into this problem. I found a thread on the forums but it seems to have just fixed itself. That's not working here tho. This is the xsessions error file for the user: snip try disabling compositing via kwinrc before kde starts up Open .kde4/share/config/kwinrc, go to the [Compositing] section and change Enabled= true to Enabled=false Thanks. Dale :-) :-) Hth, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] New install on x86 and login to KDE fails
On Thursday 25 Aug 2011 19:10:39 Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Hi Dale, Am Donnerstag, 25. August 2011, 08:14:55 schrieb Dale: Hi, I mentioned in a thread a week or so ago that I was going to install Gentoo on another box for a friend. Anyway, I got everything done and now I run into this problem. I found a thread on the forums but it seems to have just fixed itself. That's not working here tho. This is the xsessions error file for the user: snip try disabling compositing via kwinrc before kde starts up Open .kde4/share/config/kwinrc, go to the [Compositing] section and change Enabled= true to Enabled=false I wouldn't think this is necessary. My hardware (ATI) doesn't support compositing with KDE and it disables it on its own. The only time that I have to unset it as you suggest above is if persist in overriding it after it disables it. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] New install on x86 and login to KDE fails
Hi, Am Donnerstag, 25. August 2011, 22:00:29 schrieb Mick: On Thursday 25 Aug 2011 19:10:39 Michael Schreckenbauer wrote: Hi Dale, Am Donnerstag, 25. August 2011, 08:14:55 schrieb Dale: Hi, I mentioned in a thread a week or so ago that I was going to install Gentoo on another box for a friend. Anyway, I got everything done and now I run into this problem. I found a thread on the forums but it seems to have just fixed itself. That's not working here tho. This is the xsessions error file for the user: snip try disabling compositing via kwinrc before kde starts up Open .kde4/share/config/kwinrc, go to the [Compositing] section and change Enabled= true to Enabled=false I wouldn't think this is necessary. My hardware (ATI) doesn't support compositing with KDE and it disables it on its own. The only time that I have to unset it as you suggest above is if persist in overriding it after it disables it. I had one case (my Laptop), where the automatic detection of kde enabled compositing, but it did not work. I had no chance to log in without the suggested method or using safe-mode. Of course, it's just a shot in the dark :) Regards, Michael
Re: [gentoo-user] New Install Problems with X
On Tue, 04 Jan 2011 16:10:49 + (UTC), KIM WHALEN wrote: The base system and xorg-x11 seems to be set up alright. However, when I run startx as a regular user I get errors about drm, dri, and dri2 modules and the screen. We can't help if you keep the errors secret. -- Neil Bothwick Tact is for people who don't understand sarcasm. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] New Install Problems with X
Hello. Are you using python 3 as your main python interpreter? Try: #emerge -av python:2.6 #eselect python lists #eselect python set N where N is the number of python 2 in the previos command. I can't help with the video card problem. Sorry about my poor English. Bye.
Re: [gentoo-user] New Install Problems with X
Yes, it looks like I'm using python 3. I change it to python2.6 and it looks like it's emerge'ing without errors. This should be mentioned in the install documentation. Now do I need to rebuild everything else, emerge --empty-tree, now that I switched python interpreters? # eselect python list Available Python interpreters: [1] python2.6 [2] python3.1 * Thanks, --dhk On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Matías Marquez wrote: Hello. Are you using python 3 as your main python interpreter? Try: #emerge -av python:2.6 #eselect python lists #eselect python set N where N is the number of python 2 in the previos command. I can't help with the video card problem. Sorry about my poor English. Bye.
Re: [gentoo-user] New Install Problems with X
On Tuesday 04 January 2011 22:35:08 KIM WHALEN wrote: Yes, it looks like I'm using python 3. I change it to python2.6 and it looks like it's emerge'ing without errors. This should be mentioned in the install documentation. Now do I need to rebuild everything else, emerge --empty-tree, now that I switched python interpreters? # eselect python list Available Python interpreters: [1] python2.6 [2] python3.1 * Thanks, --dhk On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Matías Marquez wrote: Hello. Are you using python 3 as your main python interpreter? Try: #emerge -av python:2.6 #eselect python lists #eselect python set N where N is the number of python 2 in the previos command. I can't help with the video card problem. Sorry about my poor English. Bye. no, you needn't to rebuild everything ! python is just yhe tool to build, it doesn't affect the binaries. -- Stéphane Guedon page web : http://www.22decembre.eu/ carte de visite : http://www.22decembre.eu/downloads/Stephane-Guedon.vcf clé publique gpg : http://www.22decembre.eu/downloads/Stephane-Guedon.asc
Re: [gentoo-user] New Install Problems with X
On Tuesday 04 January 2011 21:35:08 KIM WHALEN wrote: Yes, it looks like I'm using python 3. I change it to python2.6 and it looks like it's emerge'ing without errors. This should be mentioned in the install documentation. Now do I need to rebuild everything else, emerge --empty-tree, now that I switched python interpreters? # eselect python list Available Python interpreters: [1] python2.6 [2] python3.1 * There's an enotice when you emerge python-3.x which warns about it being experimental and not to be used as the default. -- Regards, Mick signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] New Install Problems with X
KIM WHALEN wrote: Yes, it looks like I'm using python 3. I change it to python2.6 and it looks like it's emerge'ing without errors. This should be mentioned in the install documentation. Now do I need to rebuild everything else, emerge --empty-tree, now that I switched python interpreters? # eselect python list Available Python interpreters: [1] python2.6 [2] python3.1 * Thanks, --dhk How did you get python3 enabled? It shouldn't be enabled. This from the build: WARNING! Many Python modules have not been ported yet to Python 3.*. Python 3 has not been activated and Python wrapper is still configured to use Python 2. You can manually activate Python 3.1 using `eselect python set python3.1`. It is recommended to currently have Python wrapper configured to use Python 2. Having Python wrapper configured to use Python 3 is unsupported. The last line is the important part. Dale :-) :-)
Re: [gentoo-user] New install boots but grub just says: grub
On Thu, 8 May 2008 21:17:47 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: What would cause grub to sit there and wait for me to type in the stuff that's in grub.conf anyway? You probably have an error in grub.conf/menu.lst, or you have both and GRUB is looking at the one you don't want it to (I think menu.lst takes priority). GRUB isn't particularly friendly when things go wrong, I've had it ignore a menu.lst it didn't like. -- Neil Bothwick WinErr 002: No Error - Yet signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] New install boots but grub just says: grub
On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 2:01 AM, Neil Bothwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 8 May 2008 21:17:47 -0700, Mark Knecht wrote: What would cause grub to sit there and wait for me to type in the stuff that's in grub.conf anyway? You probably have an error in grub.conf/menu.lst, or you have both and GRUB is looking at the one you don't want it to (I think menu.lst takes priority). GRUB isn't particularly friendly when things go wrong, I've had it ignore a menu.lst it didn't like. -- Neil Bothwick Dirk Neil, Thanks. Apparently grub wants menu.lst and the install didn't create it. Strange. I created the link by hand and then the machine booted fine. I appreciate the quick answer. Cheers, Mark -- gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install boots but grub just says: grub
Am Freitag, 9. Mai 2008 schrieb ext Mark Knecht: I've done a new install this evening. The install went OK as far as I could tell. I didn't wipe the disk but I did make new file systems using mke2fs for both /dev/hda5 and /dev/hda7. I then installed NT in /dev/hda0 and finally did Gentoo. The grub-0.97-r5 install seemed to go OK, however when I boot I jsut get some grub messages (Stage 1, Stage 1.5) and then just grub where the machine sits. Grub auto-completion is working so I type What would cause grub to sit there and wait for me to type in the stuff that's in grub.conf anyway? It seems it doesn't find your grub.conf, thus has no menu. Is it on (hd0,4) (I assume that is where your stageX files are located)? If not, create it. If no, try renaming it to menu.lst (or create a symlink with that name). HTH... Dirk -- Dirk Heinrichs | Tel: +49 (0)162 234 3408 Configuration Manager | Fax: +49 (0)211 47068 111 Capgemini Deutschland | Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wanheimerstraße 68 | Web: http://www.capgemini.com D-40468 Düsseldorf | ICQ#: 110037733 GPG Public Key C2E467BB | Keyserver: www.keyserver.net signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.
Re: [gentoo-user] new install 2007.0 and gcc-3.3.6
On Friday 11 May 2007, Turi Tropea wrote: Hi people :) why on a fresh install of 2007.0 (using the minimal cd and the official howto) when i try to emerge kde-meta is required gcc-3.3.6 that does not support my cflags (pentium-m) this is a little bit of emerge kde-meta kdm [snip] please provide the output of emerge -pvt kde-meta kdm so we can see what wants to pull in gcc-3.3.6. It shouldn't happen as the profile specifies: =sys-devel/gcc-3.3.4-r1 is possible to define two different cflag in make.conf? one for gcc-3.3.6 and the other for gcc-4xx? No... alan -- Optimists say the glass is half full, Pessimists say the glass is half empty, Developers say wtf is the glass twice as big as it needs to be? Alan McKinnon alan at linuxholdings dot co dot za +27 82, double three seven, one nine three five -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] new install 2007.0 and gcc-3.3.6
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Naga ha scritto: emerge sys-libs/libstdc++-v3 and gcc-3 will go away :) Worked very well!!! now i can emerge my kde without any interruptions :) (ehm...i hope) thanks thanks thanks -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGRHa3pidk8BrvGZARAhcrAJsEpvGwqqVnInnv1zFMZSxtenOVNQCg2ag6 bM05gs2zadBMxGqo99dK2xA= =ihvJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] new install - X fails
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 23:43 -0400, JD wrote: Thanks, Alex. I had to run 'installer' from commandline. Went with the recommended setup; got an Exception that the dialog says this is a Bad Thing ... Um, that's really no nice thing. You could try filing a bug or the like. Better yet: search the forums and existing bugs, probably someone has encountered similar issues. It is rather strange that the installer even loads the GLcore... but yes, probably for showing off with the live CD. I have never used it, but maybe you could read the manuals and try disabling this. I don't know whether or not this is supported. I've done it twice, gotten to this point, and whether I choose 'yes' or 'no' to the prompt at this point, the system hangs, with no choice but to start over. So, the stage 3 installer for 64 bit looks hosed. I'm afraid its back to the Minimal CD and building the system again from scratch. You could still try to insert the Minimal CD in your current system, then edit the xorg.conf. Or just proceed with the install with it, although this could still leave your system in a strange state. Probably --sync-ing and -DuvaN-ing world after adjusting make.conf could suffice for the task. Re-emerging -Du xorg-server could also help. I really hope the developer's can get this resolved... I was perfectly happy with stage1 and building from scratch back in the beginning. This 'helping to get a system up faster' just isn't working when it comes to gentoo... Actually Minimal Install is using stage3 by now and that's the only supported one. It's really quite unproblematic to get a working system within not more than an hour (of your work) and a day's work (by the computer ;) ) But then again, I'm afraid I'm totally unfamiliar with the graphical installer and just guessing :). Regards, Aleks -Original Message- From: Aleksandar L. Dimitrov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 10:13 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] new install - X fails On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 19:52 -0400, JD wrote: Just got a D420 laptop and wanted to setup gentoo... Booted from cd, got to the OpenGL start, and X fails ... On looking at the details dialog, I find Dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so: undefined symbol: (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so (EE) Failed to load module GLcore (loader failed, 7) That means it was not able to find the GLcore module. Try locating it with $ locate libGLcore.so on my system its in /usr/lib. You could den update the modules path in xorg.conf or symlink (but the latter is no good idea) Unfortunately I have no idea which package it belongs to. (Xorg itself?) In the X details dialog, other than the mouse error, and (what seems like) all of the fonts being invalid (Info and Warnings) The last line says: (EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: No screens found It just can't find a lot of fonts. Don't worry, they can be added later. A recent version of x.org should really behave well despite this. The No Screens found is the usual output xorg gives when it encounters one or more errors during start up. The display (according to lspci) is Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express. Do I need to customize the xorg.conf file to get the install to work? You could just try commenting the line 'Load GLcore' in xorg.conf. That's just if you don't need GL-support for things like beryl. Regards, Aleks -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] new install - X fails
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 19:52 -0400, JD wrote: Just got a D420 laptop and wanted to setup gentoo... Booted from cd, got to the OpenGL start, and X fails ... On looking at the details dialog, I find Dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so: undefined symbol: (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so (EE) Failed to load module GLcore (loader failed, 7) That means it was not able to find the GLcore module. Try locating it with $ locate libGLcore.so on my system its in /usr/lib. You could den update the modules path in xorg.conf or symlink (but the latter is no good idea) Unfortunately I have no idea which package it belongs to. (Xorg itself?) In the X details dialog, other than the mouse error, and (what seems like) all of the fonts being invalid (Info and Warnings) The last line says: (EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: No screens found It just can't find a lot of fonts. Don't worry, they can be added later. A recent version of x.org should really behave well despite this. The No Screens found is the usual output xorg gives when it encounters one or more errors during start up. The display (according to lspci) is Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express. Do I need to customize the xorg.conf file to get the install to work? You could just try commenting the line 'Load GLcore' in xorg.conf. That's just if you don't need GL-support for things like beryl. Regards, Aleks -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] new install - X fails
Thanks, Alex. I had to run 'installer' from commandline. Went with the recommended setup; got an Exception that the dialog says this is a Bad Thing ... I've done it twice, gotten to this point, and whether I choose 'yes' or 'no' to the prompt at this point, the system hangs, with no choice but to start over. So, the stage 3 installer for 64 bit looks hosed. I'm afraid its back to the Minimal CD and building the system again from scratch. I really hope the developer's can get this resolved... I was perfectly happy with stage1 and building from scratch back in the beginning. This 'helping to get a system up faster' just isn't working when it comes to gentoo... -Original Message- From: Aleksandar L. Dimitrov [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 10:13 PM To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] new install - X fails On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 19:52 -0400, JD wrote: Just got a D420 laptop and wanted to setup gentoo... Booted from cd, got to the OpenGL start, and X fails ... On looking at the details dialog, I find Dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so: undefined symbol: (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so (EE) Failed to load module GLcore (loader failed, 7) That means it was not able to find the GLcore module. Try locating it with $ locate libGLcore.so on my system its in /usr/lib. You could den update the modules path in xorg.conf or symlink (but the latter is no good idea) Unfortunately I have no idea which package it belongs to. (Xorg itself?) In the X details dialog, other than the mouse error, and (what seems like) all of the fonts being invalid (Info and Warnings) The last line says: (EE) No devices detected. Fatal server error: No screens found It just can't find a lot of fonts. Don't worry, they can be added later. A recent version of x.org should really behave well despite this. The No Screens found is the usual output xorg gives when it encounters one or more errors during start up. The display (according to lspci) is Intel Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express. Do I need to customize the xorg.conf file to get the install to work? You could just try commenting the line 'Load GLcore' in xorg.conf. That's just if you don't need GL-support for things like beryl. Regards, Aleks -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - startx not starting
VIDEO_CARDS was/is set. The tweaking was in USE - 'png' was necessary before 'emerge cario'. GpmOn 11/7/06, Alan McKinnon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 07 November 2006 16:06, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Tuesday 07 November 2006 15:00, Mick wrote: The kernel seems good, I've added 'gpm', and 'xorg-x11'. startx fails complaining about: (EE) Failed to load module radeon (module does not exist, 0) (EE) No drivers available. My question - how do I get/build this module? Add radeon in your /etc/make.conf under VIDEO_CARDS=radeon And then run: # emerge --newuse -va x11-base/xorg-serverHang on a sec, if VIDEO_CARDS is empty or non-existent, doesn't the ebuild default to building all drivers, like 6.8 did? I never triedthis myself, but I read it in a wiki HOWTO.If true, surely Greg's problem would never have happened?alan-- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list-- GpmThe Morins of Plantsville
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - startx not starting
On Wednesday 08 November 2006 12:42, Greg Morin wrote: VIDEO_CARDS was/is set. The tweaking was in USE - 'png' was necessary before 'emerge cario'. Oh good, all's well that ends well. But I'm curious to know how the lack of the png USE flag to cairo caused X to not load your video driver per the original error message. Or was cairo just the last of several somewhat related things that had to be remerged? alan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - startx not starting
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 12:56, Greg Morin wrote: The kernel seems good, I've added 'gpm', and 'xorg-x11'. startx fails complaining about: (EE) Failed to load module radeon (module does not exist, 0) (EE) No drivers available. My question - how do I get/build this module? Try to add VIDEO_CARDS=radeon into /etc/make.conf But I consider it is better to use fglrx driver... (x11-drivers/ati-drivers) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - startx not starting
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 12:56, Greg Morin wrote: The kernel seems good, I've added 'gpm', and 'xorg-x11'. startx fails complaining about: (EE) Failed to load module radeon (module does not exist, 0) (EE) No drivers available. My question - how do I get/build this module? Add radeon in your /etc/make.conf under VIDEO_CARDS=radeon -- Regards, Mick pgpWnCuXKhAIH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - startx not starting
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 15:00, Mick wrote: The kernel seems good, I've added 'gpm', and 'xorg-x11'. startx fails complaining about: (EE) Failed to load module radeon (module does not exist, 0) (EE) No drivers available. My question - how do I get/build this module? Add radeon in your /etc/make.conf under VIDEO_CARDS=radeon And then run: # emerge --newuse -va x11-base/xorg-server -- Bo Andresen pgp5Fb3lSFWvj.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - startx not starting
All - thanx for the pointers. I had to 'emerge ati-drivers', then 'emerge cario', then emerge 'xorg-x11'. Also had to tweak /etc/make.conf a bit.All is good now.GpmOn 11/7/06, Bo Ørsted Andresen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 07 November 2006 15:00, Mick wrote: The kernel seems good, I've added 'gpm', and 'xorg-x11'. startx fails complaining about: (EE) Failed to load module radeon (module does not exist, 0) (EE) No drivers available. My question - how do I get/build this module? Add radeon in your /etc/make.conf under VIDEO_CARDS=radeonAnd then run: # emerge --newuse -va x11-base/xorg-server--Bo Andresen-- GpmThe Morins of Plantsville
Re: [gentoo-user] New install - startx not starting
On Tuesday 07 November 2006 16:06, Bo Ørsted Andresen wrote: On Tuesday 07 November 2006 15:00, Mick wrote: The kernel seems good, I've added 'gpm', and 'xorg-x11'. startx fails complaining about: (EE) Failed to load module radeon (module does not exist, 0) (EE) No drivers available. My question - how do I get/build this module? Add radeon in your /etc/make.conf under VIDEO_CARDS=radeon And then run: # emerge --newuse -va x11-base/xorg-server Hang on a sec, if VIDEO_CARDS is empty or non-existent, doesn't the ebuild default to building all drivers, like 6.8 did? I never tried this myself, but I read it in a wiki HOWTO. If true, surely Greg's problem would never have happened? alan -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 21:05:12 -0600, Dale wrote: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] www-client/mozilla-1.7.12-r2 +crypt -debug +gnome +ipv6 +java +ldap -mozcalendar -mozdevelop -moznocompose -moznoirc -moznomail -moznoxft -mozsvg -postgres +ssl +truetype -xinerama +xprint 0 kB I'm not sure what that ipv6 is for. I put -ipv6 in the USE line of make.conf and it is still there. How do I disable that thing? I ask because I noticed this with Kmail: Do you have ipv6 in /etc/portage/package.use? does it show up in emerge --info? [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # emerge -pv kmail These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] kde-base/kmail-3.5.0-r3 +arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdexdeltas -xinerama 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # NO ipv6 there. KMail is just the mail program, KDE's networking functions are centralised in libraries shared between all the programs. -- Neil Bothwick Keyboard: (n.) a device used by programmers to write software for a mouse or joystick and by operators for playing games such as 'word processing.' signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
OK, some of this is getting out of order here. I changed the flag in my USE to -ipv6. I then recompiled the programs that it changed on. It was Mozilla and a couple others as well that Mozilla uses. If you get this it is working, for the moment any way. It did work earlier to but then stopped when I reconnected. I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it but it was worth a try. I played a game of Solitaire while it was working on it. LOL I'll keep you posted. Now to find some people that I can send email to and not get mad at me. Any volunteers?? Thanks. Dale :-) Oh, somewhere along the way this thing popped up. When I hit compose or reply, a line comes up for reply to. It didn't use to do that and I usually delete it. How do I make it go away? It bugs me. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Thursday 19 January 2006 06:38, Dale wrote: OK, some of this is getting out of order here. I changed the flag in my USE to -ipv6. I then recompiled the programs that it changed on. It was Mozilla and a couple others as well that Mozilla uses. If you get this it is working, for the moment any way. It did work earlier to but then stopped when I reconnected. I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it but it was worth a try. I played a game of Solitaire while it was working on it. LOL I'll keep you posted. Now to find some people that I can send email to and not get mad at me. Any volunteers?? Thanks. Dale :-) Oh, somewhere along the way this thing popped up. When I hit compose or reply, a line comes up for reply to. It didn't use to do that and I usually delete it. How do I make it go away? It bugs me. OK. I got a couple volunteers. I sent one of them a email then disconnected. After I got reconnected, Mozilla gives me a error. I'm in Kmail again. I have one thing I'm going to tell my ISP. Fix this or I'm getting another ISP. Ever since the hurricane it has been going downhill, fast. I have five numbers for them and can only connect to one of them and it is VERY slow, only 24K. I usually get 28K or so. My emerge sync took half again as long to do last night. Thanks for the help. I'm 99% sure this is a ISP problem since it works sometimes and then stops after a reconnect. What you folks think? Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Jan 19, 2006, at 7:11 AM, Dale wrote: On Thursday 19 January 2006 06:38, Dale wrote: OK, some of this is getting out of order here. I changed the flag in my USE to -ipv6. I then recompiled the programs that it changed on. It was Mozilla and a couple others as well that Mozilla uses. If you get this it is working, for the moment any way. It did work earlier to but then stopped when I reconnected. I'm not sure if this has anything to do with it but it was worth a try. I played a game of Solitaire while it was working on it. LOL I'll keep you posted. Now to find some people that I can send email to and not get mad at me. Any volunteers?? Thanks. Dale :-) Oh, somewhere along the way this thing popped up. When I hit compose or reply, a line comes up for reply to. It didn't use to do that and I usually delete it. How do I make it go away? It bugs me. OK. I got a couple volunteers. I sent one of them a email then disconnected. After I got reconnected, Mozilla gives me a error. I'm in Kmail again. I have one thing I'm going to tell my ISP. Fix this or I'm getting another ISP. Ever since the hurricane it has been going downhill, fast. I have five numbers for them and can only connect to one of them and it is VERY slow, only 24K. I usually get 28K or so. My emerge sync took half again as long to do last night. Thanks for the help. I'm 99% sure this is a ISP problem since it works sometimes and then stops after a reconnect. What you folks think? I think you need a new isp. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Thursday 19 January 2006 07:14, John Jolet wrote: I think you need a new isp. Don't tempt me. I did a google search last night and the one that actually supports Linux doesn't have any local numbers. I tried to connect to my brothers Bell South the other night and it won't let me connect with his username/password. It gives me a strange error. I know they use windoze for their servers and they don't support Linux either. Well, they don't say they do anyway. My current ISP uses Linux, at least for their email server anyway. I'm not sure about the actual modem connection since they move it around so much. They open in about 30 minutes too. They will be working on this today unless the world ends. Thanks for the help. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
RE: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
-Original Message- From: Dale [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 January 2006 04:56 To: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too. On Wednesday 18 January 2006 22:10, Glenn Enright wrote: Some ISPs may also require your alias to be a specific thing, eg your real name, or the same as your email address. Silly but true. Can you tell me where this is? I read off to my ISP what I have in my settings and they said it was correct. Thing is, it works in Kmail, same settings too. That is what is so confusing to me, maybe everybody else too. Kmail has a tab under its settings which you can use to test what authentication method the mailserver responds to. It starts from the most secure and works its way down the list until the server gives a positive response. It may be worth checking that security tab in Kmail (or whatever it is called - not at a Linux machine right now) and use the same method with Mozilla. Some ISP's could tighten up their SMTP policies and mailserver implementation without providing explicit instructions to their users. Things can get more complicated when ISP's start acquiring each other's business and try to amalgamate their mailserver addresses. -- Regards, Mick -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
Dale schreef:
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 23:00, Richard Fish wrote:
find ~/.mozilla -name prefs.js -exec grep mail.smtpserver {} \;
This is on my old install.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / # find home/dale/.mozilla -name prefs.js -exec grep
mail.smtpserver {} \;
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.auth_method, 1);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.hostname, mail.exceedtech.net);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.port, 25);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.try_ssl, 0);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.username, dalek);
user_pref(mail.smtpservers, smtp1); [EMAIL PROTECTED] / #
This is from the new install that I mounted on /mnt/gentoo, you know,
like in the install guide. LOL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / # find /mnt/gentoo/home/dale/.mozilla -name prefs.js
-exec grep mail.smtpserver {} \;
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.auth_method, 1);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.hostname, mail.exceedtech.net);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.port, 25);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.try_ssl, 0);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.username, dalek);
user_pref(mail.smtpservers, smtp1); [EMAIL PROTECTED] / #
Well, this may explain why neither one works. They are the same.
Does that look right??
Looks right to me; these are the same settings I have in Thunderbird
(with different hostname and username, of course), and I don't have any
problems.
What I don't get is why moz is trying to relay directly. I'm no
mail/network guru, but I do know that if I send a mail to someone
outside my network (like, for example, the list), *I* don't relay (send
the mail via another ssmtp server) but rather I send it to my ISP and
*they* relay it (just like snail mail; I drop the letter in the post box
near me and the Postal Service takes it to the next node in the town
where the recipient lives, and *their* local mail service delivers it.
It's not like if I want to write somebody in NYC, I have to mail the
letter *in* NYC for it to be delivered...!)
About all I can ask at this point is:
1) what version of Mozilla are you using? What are your USE flags for
your installation? Have you checked b.g.o or mozillazine
(http://www.mozillazine.org/ ) to see if this is perhaps a known bug of
your version of Mozilla? Have you tried upgrading (maybe it's a bug
that's fixed in later versions)?
2) If you go to Edit=Preferences=Account Preferences=Outgoing server
(SMTP), is there more than one server listed, and is your ISP's server
selected as standard? Like Iain, I had similar problems (a long time
ago) when attempting to send mail via my home ISP from work, where we
had a different ISP, which wouldn't work because I was logged into my
work's mail server (of course), and not my home ISP's SMTP server, so my
home ISP wasn't going to send my mail, since I wasn't an authorized user
(not logged in). It's hard to believe that there isn't *some* problem
with your SMTP settings that we're missing, though there is no error to
be seen, and of course KMail is presumably set the same way, and *that*
works
3) I'm wondering if this isn't a Mozilla problem; very curious as to
whether Thunderbird would exhibit it as well. If you want to try it, you
can use the same mail folders and settings as Mozilla, which I can
quickly tell you how to set up (it's like 5 steps, if T-bird doesn't
just offer to import the Mozilla settings for you) if you decide to try
it. Also curious as to whether there's *any difference whatsoever*
between your KMail settings and your Mozilla settings (yes, it's
fine-toothed-comb time).
4) I'm also wondering if this is a local problem (to a specific
outside address), or a general problem (to any outside address).
Have you tested mail to multiple/different outside addresses, or just
one? If just one, maybe that one is the problem. You can send me a test
mail; I'm certainly outside your local network :-) .
5) It's a long shot, but is there any possibility that you're sending to
an outside address to which your ISP will *not* relay, i.e. someplace
that *cough* Homeland Security doesn't want you writing to (maybe you
have a relative in the service, I don't know)? If there are such domains
(and I'm sure there are), it's within the (distant, we hope) realm of
possiblility that
your ISP is being excessively cautious in order to avoid any spotlight
of investigation falling on them.
6) I don't know much (all right, anything) about sending command-line
mail, but there must be a way to get a traceroute of a mail. Maybe
somebody here knows how we could get some useful output about what
happens when this mail pretends to relay itself for some reason.
I just thought of something. My new install has two accounts, the
dalek one and my new one rdalek. Where's rdalek?? I'm going to
change later and get rid of some spam, I hope.
I had to fill in the user directories since I was logged in as root.
Root don't have a .mozilla directory.
Regular users don't have any rights to read root's home directory.
Probably Mozilla
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:17:29 -0600, Dale wrote: An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: 5.7.1 whatever email address I am trying to send to Relaying denied. Please verify that your email address is correct in your Mail preferences and try again. To recap a bit. I have a problem sending email to anyone outside my ISPs network. I can't send to a yahoo, or my brothers Bell South account and some others too. Your ISP's mail server thinks you are connecting from outside their network, so it only allows you to send mails to addresses within the network (that's the Relaying denied bit). There's nothing wrong with your network connections, because KMail works, so it must be down to your Mozilla config. Some ISPs also check the domain part of your email address, is that set the same in Mozilla and KMail? -- Neil Bothwick Electrocution, n.: Burning at the stake with all the modern improvements. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 03:27, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:17:29 -0600, Dale wrote: An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: 5.7.1 whatever email address I am trying to send to Relaying denied. Please verify that your email address is correct in your Mail preferences and try again. To recap a bit. I have a problem sending email to anyone outside my ISPs network. I can't send to a yahoo, or my brothers Bell South account and some others too. Your ISP's mail server thinks you are connecting from outside their network, so it only allows you to send mails to addresses within the network (that's the Relaying denied bit). There's nothing wrong with your network connections, because KMail works, so it must be down to your Mozilla config. Some ISPs also check the domain part of your email address, is that set the same in Mozilla and KMail? Yup. I get the same error even if I just switch desktops and don't even disconnect and reconnect my modem. I have got the same error once or twice on the old OS with Kmail too. It was just a few times though. What gets me is this, I did a fresh install and copied over my /home directory and /etc as well. Everything else was new. It still does not work. Here is the kicker. On my new install, Mozilla will no longer open, just like on the old OS. I have a few questions that I would like you to think about. I upgraded gcc, then upgraded KDE to 3.5 and had to upgrade my kernel when I did the KDE upgrade. Can all that have something to do with this? I'm considering doing another install and not use the new gcc, a older kernel, and KDE 3.4 just to see if it would work then. This is really wrecking my brain. I have no clue what is wrong. I booted the Gentoo CD and ran memtest86 and got several passes with not one single error. My CPU runs as cool as some with water cooling so I don't think this is hardware. It's hard for me to beleive that I can have two drives from different manufacturors going out at the same time either. Now to go back and answer Hollys email. Any ideas? Me clueless. Dale :-( -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 03:08, Holly Bostick wrote: About all I can ask at this point is: 1) what version of Mozilla are you using? What are your USE flags for your installation? Have you checked b.g.o or mozillazine (http://www.mozillazine.org/ ) to see if this is perhaps a known bug of your version of Mozilla? Have you tried upgrading (maybe it's a bug that's fixed in later versions)? [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ # emerge -pv mozilla These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] www-client/mozilla-1.7.12-r2 +crypt -debug +gnome +ipv6 +java +ldap -mozcalendar -mozdevelop -moznocompose -moznoirc -moznomail -moznoxft -mozsvg -postgres +ssl +truetype -xinerama +xprint 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ # 2) If you go to Edit=Preferences=Account Preferences=Outgoing server (SMTP), is there more than one server listed, and is your ISP's server selected as standard? Like Iain, I had similar problems (a long time ago) when attempting to send mail via my home ISP from work, where we had a different ISP, which wouldn't work because I was logged into my work's mail server (of course), and not my home ISP's SMTP server, so my home ISP wasn't going to send my mail, since I wasn't an authorized user (not logged in). It's hard to believe that there isn't *some* problem with your SMTP settings that we're missing, though there is no error to be seen, and of course KMail is presumably set the same way, and *that* works Well, Mozilla won't even open now. I do have it set up the same as Kmail though. Just to make sure it was not a corrupt file or something, I created a brand new user and set it up. Same error. Kmail worked though. 3) I'm wondering if this isn't a Mozilla problem; very curious as to whether Thunderbird would exhibit it as well. If you want to try it, you can use the same mail folders and settings as Mozilla, which I can quickly tell you how to set up (it's like 5 steps, if T-bird doesn't just offer to import the Mozilla settings for you) if you decide to try it. Also curious as to whether there's *any difference whatsoever* between your KMail settings and your Mozilla settings (yes, it's fine-toothed-comb time). They are the same as far as email goes. Mozilla worked for a good while until all this started. 4) I'm also wondering if this is a local problem (to a specific outside address), or a general problem (to any outside address). Have you tested mail to multiple/different outside addresses, or just one? If just one, maybe that one is the problem. You can send me a test mail; I'm certainly outside your local network :-) . I can not send email to anyone without exceedtech.net on the end. My brother has a Bell South account and it won't go. I have two Yahoo accounts, nothing. I have a couple friends on other ISPs, lady friends LOL, and they are no go either. Is it OK if I try to find someone to put up with me? O_O It gets lonely with me, three servers and my broke desktop. 5) It's a long shot, but is there any possibility that you're sending to an outside address to which your ISP will *not* relay, i.e. someplace that *cough* Homeland Security doesn't want you writing to (maybe you have a relative in the service, I don't know)? If there are such domains (and I'm sure there are), it's within the (distant, we hope) realm of possiblility that your ISP is being excessively cautious in order to avoid any spotlight of investigation falling on them. Who me?? LOL Most of them are within 300 miles of me. The closest, I can use two cans and a piece of string. My brother lives next door, country speaking for about ~700' away. 6) I don't know much (all right, anything) about sending command-line mail, but there must be a way to get a traceroute of a mail. Maybe somebody here knows how we could get some useful output about what happens when this mail pretends to relay itself for some reason. I sent a ethreal thing to two people. Maybe they went to bed. ;-) It is long so I don't want to put it on here. This is one line though. No. TimeSourceDestination Protocol Info 15 8.04504165.116.46.23 4.253.131.84 SMTP Response: 550 5.7.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]dotcom... Relaying denied I put in the dot in the address. That's my spaming email address at Yahoo, well, one of them. That's a good idea. No matter what your ISP says, it still could be something fishy with them (Customer Service isn't always told every little detail about what's going on with the service, and they can't help you solve a problem they don't know about). HTH, Holly I actually sent a email to the owner. No idea and nobody else is having this trouble. I don't think they would lie to me. When they have problems with connections, they usually call and get me to try it. Since Linux keeps better
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 07:43, Dale wrote: Well, Mozilla won't even open now. Well, you can add the binary version of Mozilla to the Do Not Open list. It didn't work either. I wonder how much crap I can mess up if I try to start a new install with my eyes half closed? I have read where people do this while plastered, drunk is the word for some. I'm at least going to take a nap. Yall be good now, you here. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
Dale schreef: On Wednesday 18 January 2006 07:43, Dale wrote: Well, Mozilla won't even open now. Well, you can add the binary version of Mozilla to the Do Not Open list. It didn't work either. Does anybody know if using the ipv6 flag when you don't actually have ipv6 available (from your ISP) might do something like this? Istr that I had a lot of difficulties with Internet applications when I first installed (because ipv6 is enabled by default) until I disabled it. I'm really out of other ideas, since I can only imagine that this is a Mozilla issue, and I can't imagine any issue that might have been caused by a bad install (and which could be fixed by a reinstall) that would not affect other such applications (so I have no idea what could possibly be wrong). Holly -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
Dale wrote: On Wednesday 18 January 2006 03:27, Neil Bothwick wrote: On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 22:17:29 -0600, Dale wrote: An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: 5.7.1 whatever email address I am trying to send to Relaying denied. Please verify that your email address is correct in your Mail preferences and try again. To recap a bit. I have a problem sending email to anyone outside my ISPs network. I can't send to a yahoo, or my brothers Bell South account and some others too. Your ISP's mail server thinks you are connecting from outside their network, so it only allows you to send mails to addresses within the network (that's the Relaying denied bit). There's nothing wrong with your network connections, because KMail works, so it must be down to your Mozilla config. Some ISPs also check the domain part of your email address, is that set the same in Mozilla and KMail? Yup. I get the same error even if I just switch desktops and don't even disconnect and reconnect my modem. I have got the same error once or twice on the old OS with Kmail too. It was just a few times though. What gets me is this, I did a fresh install and copied over my /home directory and /etc as well. Everything else was new. It still does not work. Here is the kicker. On my new install, Mozilla will no longer open, just like on the old OS. I have a few questions that I would like you to think about. I upgraded gcc, then upgraded KDE to 3.5 and had to upgrade my kernel when I did the KDE upgrade. Can all that have something to do with this? I'm considering doing another install and not use the new gcc, a older kernel, and KDE 3.4 just to see if it would work then. This is really wrecking my brain. I have no clue what is wrong. I booted the Gentoo CD and ran memtest86 and got several passes with not one single error. My CPU runs as cool as some with water cooling so I don't think this is hardware. It's hard for me to beleive that I can have two drives from different manufacturors going out at the same time either. Now to go back and answer Hollys email. Any ideas? Me clueless. Dale :-( Maybe try Firefox and Thunderbird as your browser and email client? Evidently something is wrong with how Mozilla is configured and maybe deleting any and all /home/dale/.mozilla folders is called for. Since you have already went through a new install and really did a good job of trouble-shooting, I would say your email client is the problem and/or ISP. I have bellsouth and have never had any of the problems you have encountered. Happy Hacking, -- Edward A Mihalow Jr Gentoo! Linux Registered Linux User#225662 New Orleans,LA -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On 1/18/06, Richard Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe you have something wrong in your dialup settings? Or maybe you can compare with what mail server KMail really contacts with an ethereal trace? Oh, and post the output of traceroute -n mail.exceedtech.net. -Richard -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On 1/17/06, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 23:00, Richard Fish wrote:
find ~/.mozilla -name prefs.js -exec grep mail.smtpserver {} \;
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / # find /mnt/gentoo/home/dale/.mozilla -name prefs.js
-exec grep
mail.smtpserver {} \;
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.auth_method, 1);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.hostname, mail.exceedtech.net);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.port, 25);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.try_ssl, 0);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.username, dalek);
user_pref(mail.smtpservers, smtp1);
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / #
A grep -i smtp of the ethereal trace you sent me shows that you are
connecting to mail.exceedtech.net (65.116.46.23) from 4.253.131.84
(dialup-4.253.131.84.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net). This doesn't look
right...if exceedtech.net is your ISP you should be getting an address
within their address space 65.116.(?). Anyway this is why they think
you are relaying...you are not connecting from their network, and not
sending email to an exceedtech.net address.
Maybe you have something wrong in your dialup settings? Or maybe you
can compare with what mail server KMail really contacts with an
ethereal trace?
-Richard
--
gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 07:21:42 -0600, Dale wrote: Your ISP's mail server thinks you are connecting from outside their network, so it only allows you to send mails to addresses within the network (that's the Relaying denied bit). There's nothing wrong with your network connections, because KMail works, so it must be down to your Mozilla config. Some ISPs also check the domain part of your email address, is that set the same in Mozilla and KMail? Yup. I get the same error even if I just switch desktops and don't even disconnect and reconnect my modem. I have got the same error once or twice on the old OS with Kmail too. It was just a few times though. What gets me is this, I did a fresh install and copied over my /home directory and /etc as well. Everything else was new. It still does not work. If it's a configuration issue, you replaced everything but the cause of the problem. -- Neil Bothwick Everything else being equal, fat people use more soap. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
Holly Bostick wrote: Dale schreef: On Wednesday 18 January 2006 07:43, Dale wrote: Well, Mozilla won't even open now. Well, you can add the binary version of Mozilla to the Do Not Open list. It didn't work either. Does anybody know if using the ipv6 flag when you don't actually have ipv6 available (from your ISP) might do something like this? Istr that I had a lot of difficulties with Internet applications when I first installed (because ipv6 is enabled by default) until I disabled it. I'm really out of other ideas, since I can only imagine that this is a Mozilla issue, and I can't imagine any issue that might have been caused by a bad install (and which could be fixed by a reinstall) that would not affect other such applications (so I have no idea what could possibly be wrong). Holly I'm still awake here. I got Mozilla to work again in the OLD install. It's the binary version though. I'm going to try to send this with Mozilla mail. I noticed that ipv6 flag and I can only guess that it is in global USE or something. Should I unset it in make.conf and do a emerge -e world, again? Old install or new one? I sort of like the old one if it were up to me. LOL OK. I'm going to take a nap this time. I can barely stay awake. My bad typing is really kicking in too. Thanks for the help everybody. I would really like to figure this out so we will all learn something, the hard way looks like. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
Dale wrote: I'm still awake here. I got Mozilla to work again in the OLD install. It's the binary version though. I'm going to try to send this with Mozilla mail. I noticed that ipv6 flag and I can only guess that it is in global USE or something. Should I unset it in make.conf and do a emerge -e world, again? Old install or new one? I sort of like the old one if it were up to me. LOL OK. I'm going to take a nap this time. I can barely stay awake. My bad typing is really kicking in too. Thanks for the help everybody. I would really like to figure this out so we will all learn something, the hard way looks like. Dale :-) OK, don't nobody complain. These are coming from the binary version of Mozilla on my OLD install. I'm not going to jump up and down yet either. Can anybody find out when they added that ipv6 flag? Is it compiled into the binary version of Mozilla? I do not have any idea why this Mozilla decided to open. I just thought I would try it one more time and it did. I didn't do anything special either. The compiled version does not work. I tried it first. Let's see if this one works. Oh, My ISP opened a hour ago. Makes me wonder. Dale says prayer that this works, again Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
Dale wrote: Let's see if this one works. Oh, My ISP opened a hour ago. Makes me wonder. Dale says prayer that this works, again Dale :-) OK, I sent one to a lady I recently broke up with. Yes, we still talk, a lot. LOL Anyway, she has a Yahoo account. It went through just fine. No errors at all. I even sent some pics, new lady. LOL I also sent one to my brothers Bell South account. No errors there either. OK. Can someone tell my why my old Mozilla won't start up? I'd really like to keep my old install. Mozilla don't work in the new OS either so why not fix my old one. o_O I have got to take a nap. Ya'll hang tight for a bit. I usually sleep for a few hours at a time anyway. Disabled remember? Thanks for the help. Don't ask what I did. I dunno. Dale :-) :-) This is from Mozilla too, binary version though. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
Neil Bothwick wrote: On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 08:53:52 -0600, Dale wrote: I noticed that ipv6 flag and I can only guess that it is in global USE or something. Should I unset it in make.conf and do a emerge -e world, again? There's no need to recompile *everything* for one changes USE flag, emerge -uavDN world will re-emerge all affected packages. Since something is really screwed up here, I was going to cover all my bases. It's letting me send email at the moment. I'm not sure how long though. I'm just emailing everybody in my list while I can. Dale -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wed, 18 Jan 2006 09:20:09 -0600, Dale wrote: Since something is really screwed up here, I was going to cover all my bases. The problem with that approach is that you don't know what the problem was or how you fixed it, so what do you do if it happens again? It's like the Windows if something goes wrong, reinstall mentality. It's letting me send email at the moment. I'm not sure how long though. I'm just emailing everybody in my list while I can. If it works and then stops working without you making any changes, it sounds like a fault at your ISP's end. -- Neil Bothwick Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 00:05 -0600, Dale wrote: On Tuesday 17 January 2006 23:48, Iain Buchanan wrote: Get the mail server (that you entered in you mail preferences), eg mail.isp.com and type `dig mail.isp.com`. (dig is part of For your ip address, I'm interested in your real world ip, but don't post it here!! ifconfig will get it IFF your using a modem, or pci-adsl, but if you have a networked modem/router, you'll need to connect to its status page to see what ip address you have. Is dig a command? I don't have it if it is. Keep in mind that I CAN send email just not to anyone outside my ISP and only with Mozilla. Kmail WILL send email on both OSs. I did get a error sometimes but Mozilla is consistant about his one. BTW, I did do a emerge -C mozilla and back up one version, still nothing. I have not done the older version on the new install though. I can if you want me too. They should be similar, however many isps have a few ip addresses that may not be ranged together. Looking at your other posts though, I don't know that this will help... really? hmmm... I don't have kmail installed so I don't know how it works. Can you look through the configuration to see if you can turn authentication on for sending mail? I did have to put in my password for Kmail. I think they do the same way. It's just that Mozilla don't work is all. Well, on this OS, Mozilla won't even open. But it won't email on my new OS either. If this confuses you, let me know. I'll post a better explaination. Finally, you could do some sniffing with ethereal. Make a capture filter so you don't get other junk, eg host mail.exceedtech.net and then post the text-capture here. Your isp may be giving out a different error which kmail is translating for you... post back if you need more help with ethereal. I did capture some data with ethereal before. I'm going to try to do that from my new install. I'm in my old install right now. I'm not sure why though. Habit I guess. I can't capture it here because Mozilla no longer works at all on this OS. Oh, what is UPSMON called now? I need to install it on my new OS but I can't find it. Even emerge -s ups didn't return it. Did they remove it? I'm going to boot the new OS, install ethereal then post from there, if I can. LOL Seriously, thanks for the help here. I'm totally lost. This is just to weird for me. I hope I am making sense. Dale :-) dig belongs to bind-tools. It's in portage... -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wed, Jan 18, 2006 at 01:45:22AM -0600, Penguin Lover Dale squawked: I have the same setting I use for Kmail actually. server is mail.exceedtech.net on port 25. It is set to use user name and password and secure connection is set to no. I tried the others, it puked on me. Keep in mind that I can send to say [EMAIL PROTECTED]dotnet just fine. I can send to people that work there as well, even the owner. I can even email myself. It is just when I try to send to someone else outside exceedtech that it fails. I can see it connect and the data going over ppp on gkrellm and all. I just keep getting that error. Kmail seems to work great on the new install. I can send to anybody with it. Confusing huh You can get the HELO from the mail server, and send mail to users on your ISP's network, so that probably means that the outgoing part of your setting is correct. But you still get a 'relay not permitted' message and behaviour typical of ISPs blocking outgoing spam. Hum, is there a place in Mozilla to set your name/alias that goes in the From field for an e-mail? Can you double check that to see if you made a typo in the e-mail address or something? Sometimes ISPs reject mails sent to be relayed by their servers that neither originate nor end on their servers. HTH, W -- `...we might as well start with where your hand is now.' Arthur said, `So which way do I go?' `Down,' said Fenchurch, `on this occaision.' He moved his hand. `Down,' she said, `is in fact the other way.' `Oh yes.' - Arthur trying to discover which part of Fenchurch is wrong. Sortir en Pantoufles: up 67 days, 9:01 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 08:32, Neil Bothwick wrote: If it's a configuration issue, you replaced everything but the cause of the problem. Excellant point. Things have turned around a lot now I think. My ISP was having some !problems! today. They were calling !me! to tell them the error stuff because windoze would only tell them it was unable to connect but mine tells why. So instead of me calling them so much, thay are calling me some now. They did get it to where I can connect to the internet again. I still have to use Kmail though to send anything. At least I don't have to go to my brothers to get on the net. It's bad enough using Kmail to talk to my ladies. LOL I fixed Mozilla on my OLD install. It opens now. I can get new messages with it at least. This is the info for it: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # emerge -pv mozilla These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] www-client/mozilla-1.7.12-r2 +crypt -debug +gnome +ipv6 +java +ldap -mozcalendar -mozdevelop -moznocompose -moznoirc -moznomail -moznoxft -mozsvg -postgres +ssl +truetype -xinerama +xprint 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # I'm not sure what that ipv6 is for. I put -ipv6 in the USE line of make.conf and it is still there. How do I disable that thing? I ask because I noticed this with Kmail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # emerge -pv kmail These are the packages that I would merge, in order: Calculating dependencies ...done! [ebuild R ] kde-base/kmail-3.5.0-r3 +arts -debug -kdeenablefinal -kdexdeltas -xinerama 0 kB Total size of downloads: 0 kB [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # NO ipv6 there. I was told that management would be calling me in the morning to try to figure out my email issue. I may take my computer up there and just let them look at it, without the root password of course. I would still be driving my rig. ;-) If anybody has any ideas, I'm open to them. I'm really starting to think this is a ISP problem though. I thought it was before but I'm really thinking it now. I'll keep you posted. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 08:20, Richard Fish wrote: A grep -i smtp of the ethereal trace you sent me shows that you are connecting to mail.exceedtech.net (65.116.46.23) from 4.253.131.84 (dialup-4.253.131.84.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net). This doesn't look right...if exceedtech.net is your ISP you should be getting an address within their address space 65.116.(?). Anyway this is why they think you are relaying...you are not connecting from their network, and not sending email to an exceedtech.net address. Maybe you have something wrong in your dialup settings? Or maybe you can compare with what mail server KMail really contacts with an ethereal trace? -Richard I noticed the address looked funny too. They change it all the time though. You should have seen it when the hurricane hit and knocked out New Orleans. O_O I'm sending you a new ethreal that I used to send email with Kmail to the same address as the last one. Maybe you can notice something there. Thanks much for the help. If nothing else, maybe you can tell me what to tell them to fix. I think they are listening more after the mess today. My ISP is not huge but they are not tiny either. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 08:22, Richard Fish wrote: traceroute -n mail.exceedtech.net Usually traceroute does not work. They block it somewhere and I get a but ** stuff. Anyway, this one worked, for once. [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # traceroute -n mail.exceedtech.net traceroute to mail.exceedtech.net (65.116.46.23), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 63.152.9.43 121.969 ms 120.002 ms 123.893 ms 2 63.152.43.189 123.963 ms 119.943 ms 119.958 ms 3 63.152.126.13 156.027 ms 159.922 ms 155.967 ms 4 205.171.31.9 155.920 ms 156.014 ms 159.886 ms 5 205.171.8.146 175.994 ms 179.910 ms 176.014 ms 6 205.171.21.62 179.964 ms 175.912 ms 179.924 ms 7 65.116.32.158 208.034 ms 203.868 ms 207.972 ms 8 65.116.46.23 215.944 ms 211.945 ms 211.980 ms [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # That help any? That's a lot of hops for me to be connected to their server huh? I see what you are saying though. It would be like if I connected with the modem to my brother's Bell South account and tried to send exceedtech email. Bell South may not want to handle what is exceedtech's data, basically. Which may be a good thing to fight spam but it is not right now. I'm not a spammer, I just talk a lot. LOL Maybe I can explain this to them in the morning. Maybe they will fix this thing already. I'm going nuts here. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 09:58, Michael Sullivan wrote: dig belongs to bind-tools. It's in portage... We may need it before it is over. :/ Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Thursday 19 January 2006 05:41, Willie Wong wrote: Hum, is there a place in Mozilla to set your name/alias that goes in the From field for an e-mail? Can you double check that to see if you made a typo in the e-mail address or something? Sometimes ISPs reject mails sent to be relayed by their servers that neither originate nor end on their servers. Some ISPs may also require your alias to be a specific thing, eg your real name, or the same as your email address. Silly but true. -- JFMuggs I have a package that is distributed from the website as: SciPy-0.2.0_alpha_200.4161_src.tar.gz JFMuggs what's a sane way to name the ebuild for it? ciaranm JFMuggs: got a baseball bat and a rusty nail? JFMuggs ciaranm: that's not nice to do to people who are writing the code I need JFMuggs besides, klieber already suggested the moral equivalent 8) carpaski Doesn't involve fecees and a bag, does it? klieber no bag. saran wrap. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On 1/18/06, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 18 January 2006 08:22, Richard Fish wrote: traceroute -n mail.exceedtech.net Usually traceroute does not work. They block it somewhere and I get a but ** stuff. Anyway, this one worked, for once. Tell them to cut that sh*t out. Traceroute is far too useful of a debugging tool to be blocked by your ISP. Ok, so they don't want ICMP flooding...there are better ways of recognizing and defending against this... [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # traceroute -n mail.exceedtech.net traceroute to mail.exceedtech.net (65.116.46.23), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 63.152.9.43 121.969 ms 120.002 ms 123.893 ms 2 63.152.43.189 123.963 ms 119.943 ms 119.958 ms 3 63.152.126.13 156.027 ms 159.922 ms 155.967 ms 4 205.171.31.9 155.920 ms 156.014 ms 159.886 ms 5 205.171.8.146 175.994 ms 179.910 ms 176.014 ms 6 205.171.21.62 179.964 ms 175.912 ms 179.924 ms This is crazy...this is all on QWest's network. Was this from your home, or from your brother's house? Because it looks like you are still connecting through someone else's network! Maybe your first question to ask is whether exceedtech has their own access numbers, or whether they lease them from other companies. That is the only reason I can think of you would have a level-3 address in the morning, and a qwest address in the evening! That help any? That's a lot of hops for me to be connected to their server huh? The number of hops doesn't bother me...but the fact that you don't start out on an exceed.net address does. Here is what I get on Cox: carcharias rjf # traceroute smtp.west.cox.net traceroute to smtp.west.cox.net (68.6.19.4), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 192.168.2.1 (192.168.2.1) 1.151 ms 1.092 ms 1.087 ms 2 10.117.128.1 (10.117.128.1) 9.290 ms 8.108 ms 11.160 ms 3 ip68-2-6-93.ph.ph.cox.net (68.2.6.93) 33.443 ms 9.608 ms 15.850 ms 4 68.2.13.94 (68.2.13.94) 15.123 ms 10.373 ms 16.376 ms 5 68.2.13.9 (68.2.13.9) 8.174 ms 20.969 ms 15.987 ms 6 68.2.13.5 (68.2.13.5) 12.353 ms 11.337 ms 16.227 ms 7 * 68.2.13.1 (68.2.13.1) 12.494 ms 10.503 ms 8 68.2.14.65 (68.2.14.65) 43.162 ms 11.696 ms 14.463 ms 9 chndbbrc01-pos0103.rd.ph.cox.net (68.1.0.240) 9.944 ms 11.977 ms chndbbrc01-pos0101.rd.ph.cox.net (68.1.0.164) 17.020 ms 10 fed1bbrc02-pos0102.rd.sd.cox.net (68.1.0.167) 20.230 ms 19.743 ms 20.047 ms 11 fed1dsrj02-so000.rd.sd.cox.net (68.1.0.207) 20.614 ms 18.560 ms 20.005 ms 12 68.6.8.198 (68.6.8.198) 29.634 ms 18.571 ms 19.673 ms 13 172.18.176.1 (172.18.176.1) 25.442 ms 17.996 ms 20.621 ms 14 172.18.176.1 (172.18.176.1) 24.843 ms 18.762 ms 18.625 ms 15 172.18.176.1 (172.18.176.1) 21.634 ms 17.584 ms 21.471 ms 16 172.18.176.1 (172.18.176.1) 23.933 ms 17.406 ms 19.978 ms 17 172.18.176.1 (172.18.176.1) 21.458 ms 21.400 ms 18.633 ms 18 172.18.176.1 (172.18.176.1) 27.909 ms 19.177 ms 21.069 ms Ok, ignore the crazy routing loop at the end. The point is that after my firewall/gateway (192.168.2.1), and the modem (10.117.128.1), I am on cox's network. I see what you are saying though. It would be like if I cnnected with the modem to my brother's Bell South account and tried to send exceedtech email. Bell South may not want to handle what is exceedtech's data, basically. Close...it would be more accurate to say that exceedtech doesn't want bellsouth customers spoofing addresses and using exceedtech's mail server. Maybe I can explain this to them in the morning. Maybe they will fix this thing already. I'm going nuts here. Well, I think I can at least explain why KMail works and Mozilla fails. From the traces you sent me, kmail performs the following exchange: ~/Desktop grep SMTP ethereal-kmail Response: 220 mirus.exceedtech.net ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.8/8.12.8; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 Command: EHLO 0-1pool99-184.nas1.columbus1.ms.us.da.qwest.net Response: 250-mirus.exceedtech.net Hello 0-1pool99-184.nas1.columbus1.ms.us.da.qwest.net [65.136.99.184], pleased to meet you Command: MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIZE=363 Response: 250 2.1.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Sender ok Message Body Response: 250 2.0.0 k0J39ewT002685 Message accepted for delivery Command: QUIT Response: 221 2.0.0 mirus.exceedtech.net closing connection While mozilla does: Response: 220 mirus.exceedtech.net ESMTP Sendmail 8.12.8/8.12.8; Wed, 18 Jan 2006 00:39:11 -0600\r\n Command: EHLO [4.253.131.84] Response: 250-mirus.exceedtech.net Hello dialup-4.253.131.84.Dial1.Houston1.Level3.net [4.253.131.84], pleased to meet you Command: MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] SIZE=382 Response: 250 2.1.0 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Sender ok Command: RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Response: 550 5.7.1 [EMAIL PROTECTED]... Relaying denied Notice that mozilla actuall tells the mail server who you are sending mail to, while kmail does not, and it is that command that actually triggers the Relaying denied. I'm not sure what you can do about this...it isn't
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 22:10, Glenn Enright wrote: Some ISPs may also require your alias to be a specific thing, eg your real name, or the same as your email address. Silly but true. Can you tell me where this is? I read off to my ISP what I have in my settings and they said it was correct. Thing is, it works in Kmail, same settings too. That is what is so confusing to me, maybe everybody else too. I sent Richard a file with the data I captured with ethereal. Maybe he will see something. It's pretty large to post here. Me running out of ideas. Maybe they will help fix it tomorrow. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 22:04, Richard Fish wrote: On 1/18/06, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 18 January 2006 08:22, Richard Fish wrote: traceroute -n mail.exceedtech.net Usually traceroute does not work. They block it somewhere and I get a but ** stuff. Anyway, this one worked, for once. Tell them to cut that sh*t out. Traceroute is far too useful of a debugging tool to be blocked by your ISP. Ok, so they don't want ICMP flooding...there are better ways of recognizing and defending against this... Me agrees with that but it is blocked above them and they can't get them to stop it. It does tick me off sometimes too. [EMAIL PROTECTED] / # traceroute -n mail.exceedtech.net traceroute to mail.exceedtech.net (65.116.46.23), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 63.152.9.43 121.969 ms 120.002 ms 123.893 ms 2 63.152.43.189 123.963 ms 119.943 ms 119.958 ms 3 63.152.126.13 156.027 ms 159.922 ms 155.967 ms 4 205.171.31.9 155.920 ms 156.014 ms 159.886 ms 5 205.171.8.146 175.994 ms 179.910 ms 176.014 ms 6 205.171.21.62 179.964 ms 175.912 ms 179.924 ms This is crazy...this is all on QWest's network. Was this from your home, or from your brother's house? Because it looks like you are still connecting through someone else's network! Well, one thing has changed since this morning. They appear to have had a meltdown. They said they were having trouble with everybody when I called after my nap. I was here at home but they did give me a new number to dial in too. That may explain something. snip I'm not sure either. It sounds like Mozilla is doing what it should be doing and Kmail is not, if you look at it from the point of preventing spoofing and all. I'll point this out to them tomorrow. I'm not sure what you can do about this...it isn't wrong to send the RCPT TO command, so it doesn't seem to be a bug in mozilla. Possibly if you give this information (and maybe the ethereal traces) to exceedtech, they may be able to modify their mail server's configuration to compensate. Or you could try thunderbird... -Richard I like Mozilla so that I can right click on a link in a email and open it in a new tab instead of having 20 windows open at a time. I hate clutter in my puter. ;-) I tried Thunderbird once, wasn't for me. It may be better than Kmail but not that much. Will keep advised on what happens in the morning though. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
Hi again, sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday - I took my hard drive out last night and replaced it with a new one (plus a fresh install) and I only got it back up this morning. I think the traceroute and ethereal are the two leads to follow here: 1. why are you dialling into exceedtech but getting an ip address on the QWest network (according to Richard Fish - well spotted!) and 2. what is your mozilla setting: Mail Newsgroups Account Settings Outgoing Server (SMTP) Use name and password (is it ticked or not?) and what is the Server Name? Also, wrt to mozilla itself not starting - a) did you start it from the terminal or from a menu launcher? b) If from the terminal, did you get any output? c) Do you get the prompt back? d) What happens when you do `ps aux | grep mozilla` while mozilla is in it's won't start phase?. HTH, -- Iain. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 23:33, Iain Buchanan wrote: Hi again, sorry I didn't get back to you yesterday - I took my hard drive out last night and replaced it with a new one (plus a fresh install) and I only got it back up this morning. I think the traceroute and ethereal are the two leads to follow here: 1. why are you dialling into exceedtech but getting an ip address on the QWest network (according to Richard Fish - well spotted!) I think my ISP is just second handing their accounts. I picked up on this before when I was having trouble connecting a good while back. The email server IS theirs though. The rest belongs to some other company, I think. I may be wrong. and 2. what is your mozilla setting: Mail Newsgroups Account Settings Outgoing Server (SMTP) Use name and password (is it ticked or not?) and what is the Server Name? I read off to my ISP what I have it set to. They said it is correct. I'll shoot you a screenshot to you directly, if I don't forget. I do that too sometimes. May need to remind me. LOL Also, wrt to mozilla itself not starting - a) did you start it from the terminal or from a menu launcher? b) If from the terminal, did you get any output? c) Do you get the prompt back? d) What happens when you do `ps aux | grep mozilla` while mozilla is in it's won't start phase?. HTH, -- Iain. I tried starting it from both the menu and from a Konsole. I was reading a thread about someone getting gnome stuff of their system. Holly mentioned that Mozilla needed some gnome stuff to work. I removed a lot of gnome stuff just before Mozilla stop opening. I fixed this by doing this: I did a fresh install the other day. After I emerged kde-meta, I emerged mozilla. I noticed there were about 8 or 9 other packages that were pulled in. I got curious. After I booted into the OLD OS, I mounted the partition of the NEW install and went digging in the emerge log. I picked out the packages that it installed and then installed them on my OLD OS. After that, Mozilla works fine. Most likely, I unmerged something that Mozilla needed. Oh, revdep-rebuild did NOT catch it either. I'm not sure if it should, just saying it didn't. My Mozilla works fine now so that is not a problem. It does not send email though, well, unless it is to myself. LOL I'm supposed to talk to my ISP tomorrow. I'll let you guys know what happens. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, no modem devices found
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 20:23, Dale wrote: Hi again, I have got my new install done up to the point that I can get into a GUI, even though the nvidia drivers won't load. Anyway, I want to connect to the net with my serial modem but there are no devices for it to connect with. Here's my first problem. I looked in my /dev folder and the file is there and it points to /dev/tts/1 but it points back to /dev/ttyS1 which points back to /dev/tts/1. This is a endless loop that needless to say is not working. snip Thanks for the help. I can see light at the end of the tunnel now. I just hope I can send email when I get my modem to work. Dale :-) OK. I just deleted the things and rebooted. It works now, the modem anyway. For those who was following my thread about not being able to send email. I can open Mozilla just fine on the new install. I can NOT send a email except to those on my local ISP. Ain't that some crap. All this for nothing. I'm hitting up a new thread again I guess. Look for it shortly after this post. Thanks Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
Hi, On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 22:17 -0600, Dale wrote: [snip] sorry I didn't read your original post, I didn't think I could help. I haven't read your original thread, so I don't know if someone has suggested this already. I get this problem when I try to send mail to, say, [EMAIL PROTECTED] from [EMAIL PROTECTED] account when I'm actually not connected through isp.com, but rather through a 3rd party isp. This is called relaying, which spammers look for because it enables anyone to send spam, and hence any good isp should block it. What you can try is: 1. Make sure you're actually on your isp.com network - get the ip address of their mail server, and get your ip address and see. 2. Enable passwords with your mail client - not just to check mail, but to send mail as well. (With evolution its in Edit Prefs Mail Accounts (select account) edit Sending Mail Authentication. It looks like you're using mozilla though...) HTH, and as I said, I hope this wasn't already mentioned in the original thread... -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Do not count your chickens before they are hatched. -- Aesop -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On 1/17/06, Dale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi guys.
The last thread seemed to have went off base due to more than one problem at a
time. I just finished a new install on another hard drive. I now have a
working Mozilla, it opens now anyway. I still get the same error when
sending emails I used to have though. Here it is again:
An error occurred while sending mail. The mail server responded: 5.7.1
whatever email address I am trying to send to Relaying denied. Please
verify that your email address is correct in your Mail preferences and try
again.
This message typically occurs when the SMTP server doesn't trust you,
either because you are using an email address not from their domain,
or contacting the mail server from outside their network. It might
also mean you have to authenticate with their mail server, using your
account login and password.
If the above doesn't help, maybe seeing your mail configuration would help:
find ~/.mozilla -name prefs.js -exec grep mail.smtpserver {} \;
-Richard
To recap a bit. I have a problem sending email to anyone outside my ISPs
network. I can't send to a yahoo, or my brothers Bell South account and some
others too. I can send a email to my ISPs customer service and other users
there.
I have called my ISP and they have no problems with any other customer. I did
copy over my /home directory. I also tried setting up a new user with a
empty user directory and then tried to send a email that way, same error.
Earlier today when I was talking to my ISP, I got them to set up a new account
for me to test with. I can't send any email with it either. So after
setting up a new user on my end and setting up a new account on their end, I
have no clue what to try next. Kmail is working for the moment, that's how I
am sending this one.
I plan to try my brothers ISP tonight. I want to see if I can send with it.
He uses Bell South.
What else can I try? I have no clue what is wrong here. Please don't tell me
to use windoze. I'm seriously considering installing Mandrake 9.1 and
testing that. It was buggy but it worked. It may be worth testing anyway.
Let me know if you need more info. I'll post whatever you want, short of my
password. LOL
Thanks for the help. I'm open to ideas here.
Dale
:-)
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 22:48, Iain Buchanan wrote: snip What you can try is: 1. Make sure you're actually on your isp.com network - get the ip address of their mail server, and get your ip address and see. 2. Enable passwords with your mail client - not just to check mail, but to send mail as well. (With evolution its in Edit Prefs Mail Accounts (select account) edit Sending Mail Authentication. It looks like you're using mozilla though...) HTH, and as I said, I hope this wasn't already mentioned in the original thread... -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Do not count your chickens before they are hatched. -- Aesop I do connect directly to my ISP. I have even tried different numbers to dial into and get the same error. How would I get the IP address of the mail server though? I know how to get mine. I assume ifconfig would tell me. Also, keep in mind that Kmail works at least at the moment anyway. It does come up and ask for a password when I connect the first time. I tell it to store the password so I don't have to type it in each time. Those would be a good start though. This is getting weird. Thanks and let me know on the IP address. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 23:00, Richard Fish wrote:
find ~/.mozilla -name prefs.js -exec grep mail.smtpserver {} \;
This is on my old install.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / # find home/dale/.mozilla -name prefs.js -exec grep
mail.smtpserver {} \;
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.auth_method, 1);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.hostname, mail.exceedtech.net);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.port, 25);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.try_ssl, 0);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.username, dalek);
user_pref(mail.smtpservers, smtp1);
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / #
This is from the new install that I mounted on /mnt/gentoo, you know, like in
the install guide. LOL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / # find /mnt/gentoo/home/dale/.mozilla -name prefs.js -exec
grep
mail.smtpserver {} \;
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.auth_method, 1);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.hostname, mail.exceedtech.net);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.port, 25);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.try_ssl, 0);
user_pref(mail.smtpserver.smtp1.username, dalek);
user_pref(mail.smtpservers, smtp1);
[EMAIL PROTECTED] / #
Well, this may explain why neither one works. They are the same. Does that
look right?? I just thought of something. My new install has two accounts,
the dalek one and my new one rdalek. Where's rdalek?? I'm going to change
later and get rid of some spam, I hope.
I had to fill in the user directories since I was logged in as root. Root
don't have a .mozilla directory.
I'm open to trying something here. I'm going to check my brothers ISP in a
few more hours. If it works, something fishy at my ISP. If not, I have a
problem here, and no clue what to do.
Thanks for the help. Keep those ideas coming.
Dale
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Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Tue, 2006-01-17 at 23:12 -0600, Dale wrote: On Tuesday 17 January 2006 22:48, Iain Buchanan wrote: What you can try is: 1. Make sure you're actually on your isp.com network - get the ip address of their mail server, and get your ip address and see. I do connect directly to my ISP. I have even tried different numbers to dial into and get the same error. How would I get the IP address of the mail server though? I know how to get mine. I assume ifconfig would tell me. Get the mail server (that you entered in you mail preferences), eg mail.isp.com and type `dig mail.isp.com`. (dig is part of For your ip address, I'm interested in your real world ip, but don't post it here!! ifconfig will get it IFF your using a modem, or pci-adsl, but if you have a networked modem/router, you'll need to connect to its status page to see what ip address you have. They should be similar, however many isps have a few ip addresses that may not be ranged together. Looking at your other posts though, I don't know that this will help... 2. Enable passwords with your mail client - not just to check mail, but to send mail as well. (With evolution its in Edit Prefs Mail Accounts (select account) edit Sending Mail Authentication. It looks like you're using mozilla though...) Also, keep in mind that Kmail works at least at the moment anyway. really? hmmm... I don't have kmail installed so I don't know how it works. Can you look through the configuration to see if you can turn authentication on for sending mail? Finally, you could do some sniffing with ethereal. Make a capture filter so you don't get other junk, eg host mail.exceedtech.net and then post the text-capture here. Your isp may be giving out a different error which kmail is translating for you... post back if you need more help with ethereal. -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Sometimes a feeling is all we humans have to go on. -- Kirk, A Taste of Armageddon, stardate 3193.9 -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Tuesday 17 January 2006 23:48, Iain Buchanan wrote: Get the mail server (that you entered in you mail preferences), eg mail.isp.com and type `dig mail.isp.com`. (dig is part of For your ip address, I'm interested in your real world ip, but don't post it here!! ifconfig will get it IFF your using a modem, or pci-adsl, but if you have a networked modem/router, you'll need to connect to its status page to see what ip address you have. Is dig a command? I don't have it if it is. Keep in mind that I CAN send email just not to anyone outside my ISP and only with Mozilla. Kmail WILL send email on both OSs. I did get a error sometimes but Mozilla is consistant about his one. BTW, I did do a emerge -C mozilla and back up one version, still nothing. I have not done the older version on the new install though. I can if you want me too. They should be similar, however many isps have a few ip addresses that may not be ranged together. Looking at your other posts though, I don't know that this will help... really? hmmm... I don't have kmail installed so I don't know how it works. Can you look through the configuration to see if you can turn authentication on for sending mail? I did have to put in my password for Kmail. I think they do the same way. It's just that Mozilla don't work is all. Well, on this OS, Mozilla won't even open. But it won't email on my new OS either. If this confuses you, let me know. I'll post a better explaination. Finally, you could do some sniffing with ethereal. Make a capture filter so you don't get other junk, eg host mail.exceedtech.net and then post the text-capture here. Your isp may be giving out a different error which kmail is translating for you... post back if you need more help with ethereal. I did capture some data with ethereal before. I'm going to try to do that from my new install. I'm in my old install right now. I'm not sure why though. Habit I guess. I can't capture it here because Mozilla no longer works at all on this OS. Oh, what is UPSMON called now? I need to install it on my new OS but I can't find it. Even emerge -s ups didn't return it. Did they remove it? I'm going to boot the new OS, install ethereal then post from there, if I can. LOL Seriously, thanks for the help here. I'm totally lost. This is just to weird for me. I hope I am making sense. Dale :-) -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
Hi, In my haste to reply, I think I confused myself a bit (and you :) On Wed, 2006-01-18 at 00:05 -0600, Dale wrote: On Tuesday 17 January 2006 23:48, Iain Buchanan wrote: Get the mail server (that you entered in you mail preferences), eg mail.isp.com and type `dig mail.isp.com`. (dig is part of For your ip [snip] I started typing (dig is part of bind-tools) but I forgot I was editing my email in the middle... Anyway, I think that's barking up the wrong tree, although you could try it if you feel like doing the exercise! I don't have kmail installed so I don't know how it works. Can you look through the configuration to see if you can turn authentication on for sending mail? I did have to put in my password for Kmail. I think they do the same way. It's just that Mozilla don't work is all. Well, on this OS, Mozilla won't even open. But it won't email on my new OS either. If this confuses you, let me know. I'll post a better explaination. oh yeah, its mozilla that doesn't work... *hit self on head* In your mozilla mail and newsgroup account settings what options do you have set for outgoing server(smtp)? Finally, you could do some sniffing with ethereal. I did capture some data with ethereal before. I'm going to try to do that from my new install. ok. I'll wait and see. Oh, what is UPSMON called now? `esearch ups` shows (among others): dev-perl/Business-UPS net-misc/ups-monitor sys-power/apcupsd esearch is part of the package esearch (surprise surprise) its not the favourite portage search cache, but I like it. I need to install it on my new OS but I can't find it. Even emerge -s ups didn't return it. Did they remove it? try `emerge -S ups` - the uppercase S will search descriptions as well. Seriously, thanks for the help here. I'm totally lost. This is just to weird for me. I hope I am making sense. no worries. hope we can get somewhere... -- Iain Buchanan iaindb at netspace dot net dot au Programmers used to batch environments may find it hard to live without giant listings; we would find it hard to use them. -- D.M. Ritchie -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New install, I still can't send email. Same error too.
On Wednesday 18 January 2006 01:07, Iain Buchanan wrote: oh yeah, its mozilla that doesn't work... *hit self on head* In your mozilla mail and newsgroup account settings what options do you have set for outgoing server(smtp)? I have the same setting I use for Kmail actually. server is mail.exceedtech.net on port 25. It is set to use user name and password and secure connection is set to no. I tried the others, it puked on me. Keep in mind that I can send to say [EMAIL PROTECTED]dotnet just fine. I can send to people that work there as well, even the owner. I can even email myself. It is just when I try to send to someone else outside exceedtech that it fails. I can see it connect and the data going over ppp on gkrellm and all. I just keep getting that error. Kmail seems to work great on the new install. I can send to anybody with it. Confusing huh Thanks Dale :-) I still have to figure out the nvidia problem too. This nv driver sucks. -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New Install with 2005.1
On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, James wrote: I was looking around for new features and enhancements between installing via 2005.0 and 2005.1 and found nothing of detail. Any detailed information on 2005.1 or the new features of installing with 2005.1, in a review or other document would be appreciated. From another thread today: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/release/2005.1/ChangeLog -- -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] New Install with 2005.1
If you are a current Gentoo user you really need not re-install. Just do an `emerge -Davu world` and keep up to date. The releases are mainly for installation images and stages and not applicable to current Gentoo users. -MikeOn 8/12/05, A. Khattri [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 12 Aug 2005, James wrote: I was looking around for new features and enhancements between installing via 2005.0 and 2005.1 and found nothing of detail. Any detailed information on 2005.1 or the new features of installing with 2005.1, in a review or other document would be appreciated.From another thread today: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/releng/release/2005.1/ChangeLoggentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- Michael E. CruteSoftware DeveloperSoftGroup Development CorporationIn a world without walls and fences, who needs windows and gates?
Re: [gentoo-user] new install - no network?
On Fri, 13 May 2005, tj wrote: Sorry for the newb post here. I figured out what I screwed up. I have an e100 and I didn't get it into my kernel. Do i have to recompile? or? is there are way around it. - tj Hi, Just a small side-note: On this list the bottom-post is the accepted method. You have to recompile, but don't be affraid. It won't recompile the already compiled parts. [EMAIL PROTECTED] make [EMAIL PROTECTED] make modules_install will do it. The make will decide what to compile, and what not. You would need make modules_install only if compile e100 as a module. If you compile it into kernel, than don't need for make modules_install, but need to copy the new bzImage to /boot/. I'm not sure whether needed, but if you want absolute safety, re-run your lilo or grub. HTH. Cheers, Tamas Sarga Srga Tams -- Make the world confused!Zavard ssze a vilgot! Smile on monday morning!Mosolyogj htf reggel! -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] new install - no network?
Thanks for the quick responses. I loaded the module and moved the kernel over. I had to then run lsmod to make sure and then modprobe and get it into the autoload. works great. now to get Gnome and KDE on the machine :) - tj *note - i will bottom post from now on- sorry :) Mark Knecht wrote: On 5/13/05, tj [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for the newb post here. I figured out what I screwed up. I have an e100 and I didn't get it into my kernel. Do i have to recompile? or? is there are way around it. - tj Probably you do but if you do make make modules_install and the only change in make menuconfig was that you added a single module then it should only take a minute to get it done. Good luck, Mark -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-user@gentoo.org mailing list
Re: [gentoo-user] new install - no network?
* On Fri May-13-2005 at 10:41:19 AM -0500, tj said: Sorry for the newb post here. I figured out what I screwed up. I have an e100 and I didn't get it into my kernel. Do i have to recompile? or? is there are way around it. [I'm going to assume you used the 2005.0 CD and installed a 2.6 kernel (the default choice)] If you compile it in your kernel as a module then the following instructions should work. From your kernel source dir (/usr/src/linux): # make all modules_install # insmod e100 Let us know how this goes. -- Sami Samhuri pgpADofcp6DJK.pgp Description: PGP signature
