Re: [gentoo-user] Re: move to xfce and forget kde and gnome
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 7:30 AM, Michael Mol wrote: > I found it surprisingly painless. Note, I went through most of these > steps with X *NOT* running; I switched to a terminal and stopped kdm > before really going past step 2. One additional note. Except for time spent compiling, this only took about 3-4 hours. A lot of it was learning how virtual ebuilds work (which led me to discover I needed to emerge awesome so that depclean would drop knotify), and much of it was scratching my head over circular dependencies and identifying the right point in the ring to --unmerge to break the graph cycle. I've been working from home all day today on the system. Only glitch I've encountered was that I forgot to reset my .asoundrc after removing pulseaudio. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: move to xfce and forget kde and gnome
2011/8/22 Space Cake : > 2011-08-19 14:54 keltezéssel, Nikos Chantziaras írta: >> On 08/19/2011 03:02 PM, Space Cake wrote: >>> hi, >>> >>> after playing a lot with desktop environment first I've decided to move >>> from kde to gnome because kde is too "shine" and eat too much and >>> contains a lot of feature which I don't really need.. gnome is good but >>> still too fat so finally I've found Xfce which is perfect for my >>> needs... :) >>> >>> my question is what is the easiest way to get rid of kde/gnome stuff? is >>> this enough to change my useflags to -kde and -gnome? Is there any list >>> what I can safely unmerge in this case? >> >> You change your profile. You can see your current profile with: >> >> eselect profile list >> >> For KDE you would use "default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop/kde" and for >> Gnome "default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop/gnome". >> >> For anything else, use "default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop". Then do a: >> >> emerge -auDN --with-bdeps=y world >> emerge -a --depclean >> >> If KDE/Gnome stuff still remains after that, use: >> >> emerge -pv --depclean >> >> to see what's pulling-in . >> >> > So, what if I have changed the flags to -kde and -gnome, and I also ran > depclean, also used the script provided by some kind member of the list > and I still have all the kde gnome stuff on my system? Do I need some > list of packages should I unmerge? Should I simple unmerge packages > kde-base/* and so on and run revdep-rebuild after this? Is this a > working approach? I just cleaned off KDE (and PulseAudio, as it happens) from my system Saturday night/sunday morning. I wasn't using the KDE profile. Here are the steps I followed: 1) Remove all 'kde' and 'qt' USE flags from make.conf. (I didn't have to remove qt, but I preferred to switch over to package-specific support for it, as needed, rather than global) 2) emerge --depclean (pretend first, then add anything I *knew* I didn't want to lose to @world, then pretend again, until there wasn't anything that would be removed I wasn't comfortable with) 3) If there were any KDE packages left, emerge -pPv on them, to find what was pulling them in. "emerge --deselect" the packages that were pulling the KDE packages in. (Sometimes, this would involve supplying an alternative. For example, I had to emerge Awesome before it would remove knotify.) 4) Jump back to step 2, unless I couldn't get a package to disappear with --depclean. 5) revdep-rebuild (in my case, only a Jack library was busted) 6) emerge --deep --newuse --keep-going world && emerge --sync && emerge --update --deep --newuse --keep-going world # This part, I left running overnight. It succeeded, to my surprise. I did have a couple recursive-dependency-like situations. For example, KDE has a policykit agent, which depends on polkit. The policykit agent wouldn't go away; emerge -pPv said polkit was pulling it in, and said that the agent was what was pulling polkit in. In those situations, I found I had to --unmerge a piece of the dependency loop in order for emerge to allow it to go away or get replaced. In the polkit case, I removed the KDE agent. I also had to remove a few packages I do occasionally use, because they were pulling in Qt or KDE. In particular, I --deselect'd calibre. I've still got qt libs on my system, though, because I use Luminance-HDR a *lot*. I found it surprisingly painless. Note, I went through most of these steps with X *NOT* running; I switched to a terminal and stopped kdm before really going past step 2. -- :wq
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: move to xfce and forget kde and gnome
On Mon, 22 Aug 2011 11:47:02 +0200, Space Cake wrote: > So, what if I have changed the flags to -kde and -gnome, and I also ran > depclean, also used the script provided by some kind member of the list > and I still have all the kde gnome stuff on my system? Do I need some > list of packages should I unmerge? Should I simple unmerge packages > kde-base/* and so on and run revdep-rebuild after this? Is this a > working approach? Look for KDE/GNOME packages in your world file grep kde /var/lib/portage/world grep gnome /var/lib/portage/world Remove anything you don't use emerge --depclean -a rinse and repeat -- Neil Bothwick WinErr 01B: Illegal error - You are not allowed to get this error. Next time you will get a penalty for that. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: move to xfce and forget kde and gnome
2011-08-19 14:54 keltezéssel, Nikos Chantziaras írta: > On 08/19/2011 03:02 PM, Space Cake wrote: >> hi, >> >> after playing a lot with desktop environment first I've decided to move >> from kde to gnome because kde is too "shine" and eat too much and >> contains a lot of feature which I don't really need.. gnome is good but >> still too fat so finally I've found Xfce which is perfect for my >> needs... :) >> >> my question is what is the easiest way to get rid of kde/gnome stuff? is >> this enough to change my useflags to -kde and -gnome? Is there any list >> what I can safely unmerge in this case? > > You change your profile. You can see your current profile with: > > eselect profile list > > For KDE you would use "default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop/kde" and for > Gnome "default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop/gnome". > > For anything else, use "default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop". Then do a: > > emerge -auDN --with-bdeps=y world > emerge -a --depclean > > If KDE/Gnome stuff still remains after that, use: > > emerge -pv --depclean > > to see what's pulling-in . > > So, what if I have changed the flags to -kde and -gnome, and I also ran depclean, also used the script provided by some kind member of the list and I still have all the kde gnome stuff on my system? Do I need some list of packages should I unmerge? Should I simple unmerge packages kde-base/* and so on and run revdep-rebuild after this? Is this a working approach? Thank you Laszlo
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: move to xfce and forget kde and gnome
On Friday 19 August 2011 13:54:40 Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > You change your profile. You can see your current profile with: > >eselect profile list > > For KDE you would use "default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop/kde" and for > Gnome "default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop/gnome". Those are recent additions to the profiles. At any rate, I only started using the KDE one this year. If Laszlo has default/linux/amd64/10.0 as his profile already (that's what I used to do), he's going to have to do an awful lot of work with USE flags. A full re-installation may be easier in the end. Any time I do a fresh installation, I back the whole thing up to external disk at significant stages of the operation so that I can start again (if I need to) from much further on. > For anything else, use "default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop". Then do a: > >emerge -auDN --with-bdeps=y world >emerge -a --depclean He may find that it doesn't make much of a change, depending on which profile he has set now. -- Rgds Peter Linux Counter 5290, 1994-04-23
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: move to xfce and forget kde and gnome
Lazlo my use flags for keeping kde and gnome away are -kde -gnome -qt4 I also have eselect profile set 1 You may have to use /etc/portage/package.use to get guis to some packages That may need kde or gnome Jdm Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone on O2 -Original Message- From: Space Cake Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 16:07:40 To: Reply-to: gentoo-user@lists.gentoo.org Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: move to xfce and forget kde and gnome On 2011. aug. 19., péntek, 14.54.40 CEST, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 08/19/2011 03:02 PM, Space Cake wrote: >> hi, >> >> after playing a lot with desktop environment first I've decided to move >> from kde to gnome because kde is too "shine" and eat too much and >> contains a lot of feature which I don't really need.. gnome is good but >> still too fat so finally I've found Xfce which is perfect for my >> needs... :) >> >> my question is what is the easiest way to get rid of kde/gnome stuff? is >> this enough to change my useflags to -kde and -gnome? Is there any list >> what I can safely unmerge in this case? > > You change your profile. You can see your current profile with: > > eselect profile list > > For KDE you would use "default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop/kde" and for > Gnome "default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop/gnome". > > For anything else, use "default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop". Then do a: > > emerge -auDN --with-bdeps=y world > emerge -a --depclean > > If KDE/Gnome stuff still remains after that, use: > > emerge -pv --depclean > > to see what's pulling-in . Are you sure that's all? No need to change my global useflags at all? When I change profile and check what would be re-emerged, only a few minor changes exists. What I would like to achieve to get rid of all the fat kde/gnome stuff but of course without re install my whole system. Is there anyone here who already did something similar? Thank you Laszlo
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: move to xfce and forget kde and gnome
On 2011. aug. 19., péntek, 14.54.40 CEST, Nikos Chantziaras wrote: > On 08/19/2011 03:02 PM, Space Cake wrote: >> hi, >> >> after playing a lot with desktop environment first I've decided to move >> from kde to gnome because kde is too "shine" and eat too much and >> contains a lot of feature which I don't really need.. gnome is good but >> still too fat so finally I've found Xfce which is perfect for my >> needs... :) >> >> my question is what is the easiest way to get rid of kde/gnome stuff? is >> this enough to change my useflags to -kde and -gnome? Is there any list >> what I can safely unmerge in this case? > > You change your profile. You can see your current profile with: > > eselect profile list > > For KDE you would use "default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop/kde" and for > Gnome "default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop/gnome". > > For anything else, use "default/linux/amd64/10.0/desktop". Then do a: > > emerge -auDN --with-bdeps=y world > emerge -a --depclean > > If KDE/Gnome stuff still remains after that, use: > > emerge -pv --depclean > > to see what's pulling-in . Are you sure that's all? No need to change my global useflags at all? When I change profile and check what would be re-emerged, only a few minor changes exists. What I would like to achieve to get rid of all the fat kde/gnome stuff but of course without re install my whole system. Is there anyone here who already did something similar? Thank you Laszlo
