Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Gimp-developer Digest, Vol 46, Issue 16
Hi, Carol Spears wrote: i keep looking for some sign of competence in this letter. dave is my friend and i am certain that he is competent to conduct this GIMP business, but i am looking for actual evidence of this in this email in particular. Pray tell - what evidence is there to the contrary? personally, i would feel more confident in dave's competency in this position if he would feel passionate enough about it to actually read the gimp mail lists and even quit a few times since he feels strongly about things. So reading a mailing list through a digest is not reading a list? I don't understand. And I did quit, remember? I'm feeling all this aggression Carol - is there something you'd like to get off your chest? Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Gimp-developer Digest, Vol 46, Issue 16
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 09:13:13AM +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Carol Spears wrote: i keep looking for some sign of competence in this letter. dave is my friend and i am certain that he is competent to conduct this GIMP business, but i am looking for actual evidence of this in this email in particular. Pray tell - what evidence is there to the contrary? the letter has been deleted from the reply. maybe you could paste the email and be real clear about what i am missing. personally, i would feel more confident in dave's competency in this position if he would feel passionate enough about it to actually read the gimp mail lists and even quit a few times since he feels strongly about things. So reading a mailing list through a digest is not reading a list? I don't understand. And I did quit, remember? it is less than participating in a real exchange. it screws up threading. I'm feeling all this aggression Carol - is there something you'd like to get off your chest? no aggression here. confusion and disappointment yes. but this is hardly aggression. i believe that if you look at the letter i wrote again, you will see that i am asking nicely and with a little bit of humor that you work with a little more honesty. how could this be aggressive? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Gimp-developer Digest, Vol 46, Issue 16
Carol Spears wrote: the letter has been deleted from the reply. maybe you could paste the email and be real clear about what i am missing. http://www.mail-archive.com/gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/msg11413.html it is less than participating in a real exchange. it screws up threading. Is that my problem, or yours? I change the subject line usually - didn't this time, since the subject was the digest. i believe that if you look at the letter i wrote again, you will see that i am asking nicely and with a little bit of humor that you work with a little more honesty. I missed that. So can you clarify, please, in what sense I'm being dishonest? Also, if you could be very precise and explain to me why you think that I am somehow making GNOME eat Wilber, that would be helpful. how could this be aggressive? So - for clarification for my little brain: you're calling me dishonest, incompetent, you're implying that somehow I'm stealing GIMP money (if that's not the case, please explain what you mean by Carol said: in fact, perhaps jimmac can find the time to make a tee shirt that states that wilber is dead. gnome can just steal gimps money and get it over with. ) Now, in the light of all that, can you explain to me how that's not aggressive? Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Gimp-developer Digest, Vol 46, Issue 16
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 11:27:55AM +0200, Dave Neary wrote: Carol Spears wrote: the letter has been deleted from the reply. maybe you could paste the email and be real clear about what i am missing. http://www.mail-archive.com/gimp-developer@lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/msg11413.html it is less than participating in a real exchange. it screws up threading. Is that my problem, or yours? I change the subject line usually - didn't this time, since the subject was the digest. if it is my problem, i only have it with digest responders. i believe that if you look at the letter i wrote again, you will see that i am asking nicely and with a little bit of humor that you work with a little more honesty. I missed that. So can you clarify, please, in what sense I'm being dishonest? Also, if you could be very precise and explain to me why you think that I am somehow making GNOME eat Wilber, that would be helpful. the dishonesty would be found mostly in the realm where politeness and competency are confused. where professionalism excludes people who actually do things and are. i have gotten this sense or this feeling since the very beginning of this thread which is in another place in my inbox that the goal here is to make me angry and demand to go to boston. if you ask me to make a list of the ten places that i want to go to the most, that list would only contain one location. home. i want to go home. not to Boston, not to the next gnome koolaid tasting party -- to my home where i never actually wanted to leave from. there should be hundreds of people who can go to SIGRAPH and do better for GIMP than i can. possibly, these people have actually had the good fortune to have been managing their own lives for the last three or more years. i have the expectation that you and others working with things here have at least some familiarity with the community and a consistent presence. can you tell me clearly what is wrong with this expectation? how could this be aggressive? So - for clarification for my little brain: you're calling me dishonest, incompetent, you're implying that somehow I'm stealing GIMP money (if that's not the case, please explain what you mean by Carol said: in fact, perhaps jimmac can find the time to make a tee shirt that states that wilber is dead. gnome can just steal gimps money and get it over with. ) i said that the letter contained no sign of competency and that since i was sure this was not the case, i asked for help to see it. that request was stripped from the reply. even now, there is no competency being shown other than the ability to politely say nothing and politely morph the communication. i think you are honestly doing that. i would like you to step up your honesty. i did not mean to suggest you were being dishonest, i was asking for stronger honesty. honesty, the original email -- it smelled like it was written by someone who had just paid a lot of money to go to one of those motivational speakers. i suggest that if you had written the same letter only after going to a concert or something, you would have seen the problems and the email would be different as it would have contained GIMP related content. Now, in the light of all that, can you explain to me how that's not aggressive? oh the things i am writing are not aggressive at all. i am not stripping your emails. that is aggressive. aggressive is also to be found on your end of the emails, where the person replying tries to make the person with actual opinions look different and twist the original message. i am not practicing this type of aggression right now. for instance, in your plans, are there any GIMP people involved yet? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Gimp-developer Digest, Vol 46, Issue 16
Answering the two questions asked. Carol Spears wrote: i have the expectation that you and others working with things here have at least some familiarity with the community and a consistent presence. can you tell me clearly what is wrong with this expectation? On the one hand, nothing. On the other hand, since this mailing list has consistently gone down in quality in recent years, and since most of what I would like to see happen on this list appears to happen on IRC (or so I'm told), perhaps being subscribed to this list doesn't count as a consistent presence. Oh - and I do have at least some familiarity with the community. for instance, in your plans, are there any GIMP people involved yet? No - Mukund volunteered to go, but will not be able to get a visa for the US. No-one from the US on gimp-user or gimp-developer has offered to go and man the stand. I know that both yosh and pippin will be around, but neither will be available for the stand, apparently. Help would be appreciated. Particularly from US based artists. Which is why I posted my initial request on gimp-user, not gimp-developer. But then, this particular call for help is probably useless, since I suspect that you I are the only two people interested in this thread anymore. Although even that is probably not true. Cheers, Dave. -- David Neary [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] fact roundup
GNOME has been very generous with its cvs (now svn i hear) server and bugzilla for GIMP. GNOME has also been very generous in its willingness to handle GIMP money. i need a little help remembering what else GNOME has been helpful to GIMP with. my backstory that leads me to asking this question is that i was told a few times that i am responsible for the demise of the gimp lists. i cannot argue with this nor will it help to repair things. one old woman could not possibly have hurt this project in a way that such a self-reported solid community as GNOME could not fix it? can you change my picture of the situation? i am certain it is not the right picture or an accurate picture. i willingly conceed that nothing since 2003 is the way i wanted or expected and probably i did all the wrong things and was rude to everyone who matters blah blah blah. it will be far more productive to concentrate on what GNOME does for GIMP beyond those two things i mentioned than all the things i have done wrong. i mean three things. cvs/svn, bugzilla and holding the money. in my life, everything has been mostly wrong for too long now. what about GNOME is so right? thanks, carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
[Gimp-developer] [PATCH] About dialog shows unstable status
Patch is attached for a simple thing. Also adds some spacing to make the text appear nicer. If you approve, I'll commit it. Screenshot: http://www.mukund.org/temp/about-2.png Index: app/about.h === RCS file: /cvs/gnome/gimp/app/about.h,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -p -r1.4 about.h --- app/about.h 1 Mar 2006 08:06:08 - 1.4 +++ app/about.h 18 Jul 2006 18:57:07 - @@ -27,11 +27,13 @@ _(GNU Image Manipulation Program) #define GIMP_COPYRIGHT \ - _(Copyright © 1995-2006\n \ -Spencer Kimball, Peter Mattis and the GIMP Development Team) + _(Copyright © 1995-2006\n \ +Spencer Kimball, Peter Mattis\n \ +and the GIMP Development Team) #define GIMP_LICENSE \ - _(GIMP is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it\ + _(\n \ +GIMP is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it\ under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by \ the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or \ (at your option) any later version.\ @@ -43,7 +45,8 @@ \n\n \ You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License \ along with GIMP; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation,\ -Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.) +Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. \ +\n\n ) #endif /* __ABOUT_H__ */ Index: app/dialogs/about-dialog.c === RCS file: /cvs/gnome/gimp/app/dialogs/about-dialog.c,v retrieving revision 1.139 diff -u -p -r1.139 about-dialog.c --- app/dialogs/about-dialog.c 20 Jun 2006 09:14:26 - 1.139 +++ app/dialogs/about-dialog.c 18 Jul 2006 18:57:07 - @@ -93,6 +93,12 @@ about_dialog_create (GimpContext *contex GdkPixbuf *pixbuf; GList *children; +#ifdef GIMP_UNSTABLE + gchar *comment = g_strconcat (GIMP_NAME, \n\n, +_(This is an unstable development release.), +\n, NULL); +#endif + if (gimp_pdb_lookup_procedure (context-gimp-pdb, PDB_URL_LOAD)) gtk_about_dialog_set_url_hook (about_dialog_load_url, g_object_ref (context), @@ -110,7 +116,11 @@ about_dialog_create (GimpContext *contex name, GIMP_ACRONYM, version,GIMP_VERSION, copyright, GIMP_COPYRIGHT, +#ifdef GIMP_UNSTABLE + comments, comment, +#else comments, GIMP_NAME, +#endif license,GIMP_LICENSE, wrap-license, TRUE, logo, pixbuf, @@ -124,6 +134,10 @@ about_dialog_create (GimpContext *contex */ translator-credits, _(translator-credits), NULL); + +#ifdef GUM_UNSTABLE + g_free (comment); +#endif if (pixbuf) g_object_unref (pixbuf); signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] [PATCH] About dialog shows unstable status
On Tue, 2006-07-18 at 19:58 +0100, Mukund wrote: Patch is attached for a simple thing. Also adds some spacing to make the text appear nicer. If you approve, I'll commit it. Ugh.. that's GIMP_UNSTABLE.. not GUM_UNSTABLE in the patch. Corrected patch is attached. Mukund Index: app/about.h === RCS file: /cvs/gnome/gimp/app/about.h,v retrieving revision 1.4 diff -u -p -r1.4 about.h --- app/about.h 1 Mar 2006 08:06:08 - 1.4 +++ app/about.h 18 Jul 2006 18:57:07 - @@ -27,11 +27,13 @@ _(GNU Image Manipulation Program) #define GIMP_COPYRIGHT \ - _(Copyright © 1995-2006\n \ -Spencer Kimball, Peter Mattis and the GIMP Development Team) + _(Copyright © 1995-2006\n \ +Spencer Kimball, Peter Mattis\n \ +and the GIMP Development Team) #define GIMP_LICENSE \ - _(GIMP is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it\ + _(\n \ +GIMP is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it\ under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by \ the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or \ (at your option) any later version.\ @@ -43,7 +45,8 @@ \n\n \ You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License \ along with GIMP; if not, write to the Free Software Foundation,\ -Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA.) +Inc., 59 Temple Place - Suite 330, Boston, MA 02111-1307, USA. \ +\n\n ) #endif /* __ABOUT_H__ */ Index: app/dialogs/about-dialog.c === RCS file: /cvs/gnome/gimp/app/dialogs/about-dialog.c,v retrieving revision 1.139 diff -u -p -r1.139 about-dialog.c --- app/dialogs/about-dialog.c 20 Jun 2006 09:14:26 - 1.139 +++ app/dialogs/about-dialog.c 18 Jul 2006 18:57:07 - @@ -93,6 +93,12 @@ about_dialog_create (GimpContext *contex GdkPixbuf *pixbuf; GList *children; +#ifdef GIMP_UNSTABLE + gchar *comment = g_strconcat (GIMP_NAME, \n\n, +_(This is an unstable development release.), +\n, NULL); +#endif + if (gimp_pdb_lookup_procedure (context-gimp-pdb, PDB_URL_LOAD)) gtk_about_dialog_set_url_hook (about_dialog_load_url, g_object_ref (context), @@ -110,7 +116,11 @@ about_dialog_create (GimpContext *contex name, GIMP_ACRONYM, version,GIMP_VERSION, copyright, GIMP_COPYRIGHT, +#ifdef GIMP_UNSTABLE + comments, comment, +#else comments, GIMP_NAME, +#endif license,GIMP_LICENSE, wrap-license, TRUE, logo, pixbuf, @@ -124,6 +134,10 @@ about_dialog_create (GimpContext *contex */ translator-credits, _(translator-credits), NULL); + +#ifdef GIMP_UNSTABLE + g_free (comment); +#endif if (pixbuf) g_object_unref (pixbuf); signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] fact roundup
Carol Spears wrote: i need a little help remembering what else GNOME has been helpful to GIMP with. Shared booths at various trade fairs, AFAIK. For example at Linuxtag in Germany, and the upcoming SIGGRAPH. Maybe others know more examples, and also other benefits. IMO we should have some hints about the relationship of GIMP, GTK+ and GNOME on www.gimp.org (or are there? I couldn't find anything). HTH, Michael -- GIMP http://www.gimp.org | IRC: irc://irc.gimp.org/gimp Wiki http://wiki.gimp.org | .de: http://gimpforum.de Plug-ins http://registry.gimp.org | ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] fact roundup
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 09:25:21PM +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote: Carol Spears wrote: i need a little help remembering what else GNOME has been helpful to GIMP with. Shared booths at various trade fairs, AFAIK. For example at Linuxtag in Germany, and the upcoming SIGGRAPH. Maybe others know more examples, and also other benefits. IMO we should have some hints about the relationship of GIMP, GTK+ and GNOME on www.gimp.org (or are there? I couldn't find anything). GTK+ sure. but there are other gtk+ using desktop applications around. maybe jimmac should put the xfce4 logo on the poster for this event. it too is a desktop environment which uses gtk+. and we should look to see if there are others. carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
Re: [Gimp-developer] fact roundup
On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 10:44:38PM +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote: Carol Spears wrote: On Tue, Jul 18, 2006 at 09:25:21PM +0200, Michael Schumacher wrote: For starters, maybe someone wants to write a short summary about the fairs he or she did attend so far in order to represent GIMP or to do other gimpy stuff? i have only had enough access to the resources to allow me to conduct some research about how to get access. i discovered that the only way to get access to gnome information and booth stuff here is to have been owen taylors girlfriend at one time. i was never this and have not been able to get too much more information beyond this. i have, in fact spent so much time trying to find access to any real information that i am -- in that long while -- becoming more and more not the kind of person i ever wanted to be and definately not the kind of person who should go places for cool software like GIMP. i suggest that the GNOME people who are handling the money explain how they work instead? with an emphasis on the working part. it seems to work like this. they get the money, then they put their logo on the poster and tell owen taylors ex-girlfriends about it. what points in the process am i missing? carol ___ Gimp-developer mailing list Gimp-developer@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-developer
