Re: [Gimp-developer] concurrent 2.4 and 2.5

2008-09-11 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 10:36 -0400, Liam R E Quin wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 08:42 +0200, Sven Neumann wrote:
> 
> > http://gimp.org/release-notes/gimp-2.5.html mentions quite explicitly
> > that this is not going to work. /usr/local is not a separate
> > installation prefix.
> 
> I use a shell script wrapper to start GIMP that sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH
> and PATH, and it has always worked fine for me in /usr/local.

Sure, I also do have gimp-2.5 installed in /usr/local and gimp-2.4
in /usr. Depending on how your system is set up, this may work, or not.
But since it is way too difficult and confusing to explain all the
details, the safe advice is to use a completely different prefix.


Sven


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Re: [Gimp-developer] concurrent 2.4 and 2.5

2008-09-11 Thread Liam R E Quin
On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 08:42 +0200, Sven Neumann wrote:

> http://gimp.org/release-notes/gimp-2.5.html mentions quite explicitly
> that this is not going to work. /usr/local is not a separate
> installation prefix.

I use a shell script wrapper to start GIMP that sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH
and PATH, and it has always worked fine for me in /usr/local.
Except I did get in a mess with testing stuff once, when I forgot
and ran stuff from gdb or something, and complained that the
plugins werent' working :-)

But you're right, it won't just work if you run /usr/local/bin/gimp
directly and have /usr/bin/gimp installed too.

I wonder if it would be worth having configure generate a warning
at the end? /usr/local was the default prefix for me at least.

Liam

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Re: [Gimp-developer] concurrent 2.4 and 2.5

2008-09-11 Thread Sven Neumann
Hi,

On Thu, 2008-09-11 at 14:29 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> 
> /usr/local is a "separate" prefix from /usr and is separate from where  
> gimp-2.4 is installed.

No, /usr/local is in the /usr prefix. Of course we could go to more
length in the release notes, but we tried to keep it concise. As fas as
I can see this has worked nicely over the last years. Most readers seem
to understand what the release notes are trying to tell them and follow
the example given there.


Sven


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Re: [Gimp-developer] concurrent 2.4 and 2.5

2008-09-11 Thread gg
On Thu, 11 Sep 2008 08:42:18 +0200, Sven Neumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 11:26 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> I have installed distribution's 2.4 and cvs . I built cvs with
>> --preifix=/usr/local but there is some conflict with 2.4 which refuses  
>> to
>> run having detected the conflicting library versions.
>
> http://gimp.org/release-notes/gimp-2.5.html mentions quite explicitly
> that this is not going to work. /usr/local is not a separate
> installation prefix.
>
>
> Sven
>

Well that's probably the cause of the confusion, it does not _explicitly_  
say " a separate prefix not in the system PATH" which would appear to be  
the key criterium. Separate presumes separatation from something that is  
not specified. I took it to mean separate from gimp-2.4 installation since  
that was subject.

/usr/local is a "separate" prefix from /usr and is separate from where  
gimp-2.4 is installed. The problem seems to result from this separate  
prefix being in PATH.
README says this:
>>
If you want to keep your
older GIMP 2.x installation in parallel to GIMP 2.5, you have to
choose a separate prefix which is not in your default library search
path.
>>

This is also somewhat confusing in that it seems to refer to  
LD_LIBRARY_PATH.


That's all probably obvious once you know but then the instructions are  
not for those who know. Maybe they could be 'explicit'.


Now I have just let autogen.sh do it's default /opt/gimp and it's fine.


The UI improvements are starting make Gimp a lot easier to work with and  
to discover. Excellent progress on that.

Thanks Sven, Mitch, Owen and all those who replied.

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Re: [Gimp-developer] concurrent 2.4 and 2.5

2008-09-11 Thread Michael Natterer
On Wed, 2008-09-10 at 11:26 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have installed distribution's 2.4 and cvs . I built cvs with  
> --preifix=/usr/local but there is some conflict with 2.4 which refuses to  
> run having detected the conflicting library versions. Here the beginning  
> of ldd for 2.4

/usr/local is *not* a separate prefix, you can't have libraries there
that are binary compatible with stuff in /usr. Use a truly separate
prefix like ~/foo or /opt/foo

ciao,
--mitch


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[Gimp-developer] test

2008-09-11 Thread Michael Natterer
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