Re: [Gimp-docs] Documentation does not work
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 09:46:26PM +0200, Heleen Haarsma wrote: > That are a lot of questions. Just leave it. > I followed instrucions from the download page. ok > I installed Gimp a few days ago. What do mean by "how"? using the windows package I suppose... > I'm using XP. ok > I have no problem installing Gimp, my problem is only withe the > documentation: when asked I choose a directory (I think for some > HTML-file). Once chosen help won't open. The package does not include the documentation. You have to download it somewhere in your "C:" disk and then move it in the "right" position that happens to be (in your "windows" case") Have you tried to download the windows automated package? For Dutch is: http://sourceforge.net/projects/gimp-win/files/GIMP%20Help%202/GIMP%20Help%202.6.0%20(updated%20installer)/gimp-help-2-2.6.0-nl-setup.exe/download When installed leave the installation place the default. In this way GIMP will automatically find it. Then check that GIMP is correctly set going in to: Edit->Preferences->Help->User manual->Use locally installed version. If it is set defferently, set it correctly then CLOSE GIMP and RESTART GIMP before re-try with the help key "F1". > I wanted the fils in a sudirectory under "my docements". Then I suggest you to leave it in the place where I have just showed you (to make the GIMP "intelligent" help feature work...) and make a "link" to it in the "my documents" directory (open "my documents"-> mouse-> right-click-> new-> link etc. etc.) You will find the help files in: C:\program files\gimp-2.0\share\gimp\2.0\help\nl\index.html PS: maybe "program files" is different in Dutch... bye -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] Documentation does not work
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 04:33:11PM +0200, Heleen Haarsma wrote: > When I choose help or manual I have to choose a location to store > files (or a file). > After that I get a message with a red cross every time I try > (Uitvoerfout voor procedure 'plug-in-web-browser': > Failed to open > 'file:///C:/Program%20Files/GIMP-2.0/share/gimp/2.0/help/nl/index.html': > The specified path was not found.) > And no help or manual is availble to me and effectiively Gimp is not > available to me as I'am a new user and do not know my way around yet. > > Hope you can help me, otherwise it is the end of my Gimp experience. > Kind regards > > Heleen Haarsma Please be more specific. Please tell us more about your working environment. - OS (ok, Windows, which version...) - Version of GIMP - Installed how - Help files - taken where - installed how - and where on the disk And you still be able to consult the help on-line: http://docs.gimp.org/2.6/nl/ or configuring GIMP to read the help manual on-line by itself, useful for enabling the context sensistive help... bye -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] Fwd: Documentation language, HTML gen
On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 02:43:23PM +0200, Bortnyák Roland wrote: > Dear Documentators! > > I like your HTML manuals, and I very often use GIMP. I'm working as a > system administrator, and I want to create manuals like yours (eg. > this http://docs.gimp.org/en/preface.html#gimp-team). > > I'm looking for the (programming) language / standard / syntax > information of the manual pages, and that software, what can generate > these nice HTML pages. > > Can you tell me these informations? This manual is a mix of different technologies. xml-docbook - for the manual structure and HTML/PDF conversion xml2po - for the internationalization of the doc make (via autoconf/automake) - for the test/updated of the po files/compilation Please note that this approach could be seen as trying to kill mosquitos with a bazooka for any doc less than 100 pages... There could be many other (easier) way to the same. See google for markdown for an example, or you can consider using a wiki (like mediawiki) with an pdf/epub plugin. Your mileage may vary. -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] nightly updates on docs.gimp.org
On Tue, Feb 08, 2011 at 10:32:19AM +1000, Roman Joost wrote: > Hi Marco, > > On Mon, Feb 07, 2011 at 12:47:19PM +0100, Marco Ciampa wrote: > > On Mon, Feb 07, 2011 at 09:07:58PM +1000, Roman Joost wrote: > > > Any suggestions welcome! > > > > Please provide a timestamp or two (one for build & one for the sync > > process) somewhere on the site, just to check the correct updating > > process of the buildbot ... > I could touch a small file, write the date and perhaps processing time > into it and sync it too. Would that do? IMHO perfect! -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] nightly updates on docs.gimp.org
On Mon, Feb 07, 2011 at 09:07:58PM +1000, Roman Joost wrote: > Hi, > > just like to inform you, that docs.gimp.org is now being updated > nightly. Mooball IT in Brisbane is providing a buildout server (running > Hudson), and I'm running a continous build for about a month to see if > everything is stable. I've added a script today to sync docs.gimp.org > with the latest HTML built. Great new! > So - if you find anything not beeing updated, let me please know. If > there are any security concerns with an rsync + ssh connection to > wilber, let me also please know. > > This nightly update is only temporary, until we can move it to the > developers setup buildbot. > > Any suggestions welcome! Please provide a timestamp or two (one for build & one for the sync process) somewhere on the site, just to check the correct updating process of the buildbot ... -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] Introduction
On Mon, Feb 07, 2011 at 08:19:45AM +0100, Julien Hardelin wrote: [...] > > Now, to technical matters: Working with GIT and the XML. > > > > I'm on Ubuntu 10.10, and have downloaded a copy of the GIT repository as > > described in the "help us" page. Now, the thing is, I'm no programmer. > > I'm familiar with version control - specifically Microsoft Team > > Foundation server (at work), but I've never really worked on code, just > > art resources. So I'm kinda lost when it comes to GIT. Is there a > > recommended front end / GUI to access it? Or do you do all your checkout > > and commits in the terminal? As an artist I'm much more GUI-oriented. > > > > GIT is difficult. You will find good tutorials on the WEB > (http://www.spheredev.org/wiki/Git_for_the_lazy for instance). > You don't have to know all about GIT to start. > You easily understand that you can't push your fist files to the git > repository directly. You can send them to me personnally, so that I can > verify them. > > > I browsed the repository and I see help pages are written in XML. Do you > > hand-code everything, or do you have some easier way to write pages in > > an editor? And is there documentation on how to write said XML or do I > > just read the existing pages and do my best to emulate that? > > > > Yes, we write documentation with a text editor (I use Kate). For new > files, you will find templates in gimp-help-2/docs/templates. I'm sorry, it's not just a matter of xml and git. You have to setup a build chain with different tecnologies. The good thing is that Ubuntu has already all the needed packages to do it right out of the box; you just have to know exactly which packages you need to install...the bad thing is that those packages used to be listed in the GIMP wiki that is down (seems forever) so I have to figure out what you need to install... Then you can safely do some test thanks to the make validate command that could test your experiments before trying to send them to anybody or to the main git manual repository. Then you can use any text editor but, a xml-docbook aware like emacs or jedit/eclipse could help you a lot... -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] Introduction
On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 05:30:54PM +0200, Michael Grosberg wrote: > Hello all, > > Following a discussion on the main Gimp mailing list I'd like to offer my > help in improving Gimp's Documentation. [...] welcome aboard! Every help is appreciated! Feel free to ask. my 10 cent: use Linux as the manual dev platform! -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
[Gimp-docs] commercial question
I saw that there is the GIMP manual in paper format sold by Amazon, in english and spanish. Is there any violation? Is there any income to the GIMP doc team? It is possible to sell an italian copy too? What could be the best way to share some money with the GIMP doc team? Is it "right" or best avoid all this and write something new? BTW I'm currently the main italian translator/revisor/maintainer/author & project starter... -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] czech po files
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 05:59:44PM +0100, Miroslav Šulc wrote: > also, as i saw there are many typos and other language issues in english > version, i do not plan to start with czech translation until english > version is clean, which will sure take some time. In my humble opinion: - start translating right now. The manual is constantly a work in progress and it is really hudge. There will never be a "clean" english version - the .po transition allowed to work in this very variable condition with confidence so do it without worry bye -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] some docs fixes
On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 12:12:35PM +0100, Miroslav Šulc wrote: > Dne 18.12.2010 08:22, Roman Joost napsal(a): > > Hi Ulf, > > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 09:14:57PM +0100, Ulf-D. Ehlert wrote: > >> BTW: What do the official rules say? > > As far as I know: Starting with uppercase, continuing with lowercase - > > as usual. Although I have to admit, that I'm not 100% sure about that. > > The English native speakers I've talked to weren't that sure either. > > Perhaps it's about consistancy ... > i have here some english written books and i think all of them use > capitalization of headings ... but searching on net, people claim that > it depends on the purpose of the heading and the depth of it. when > looking at netbeans documentation, they use capitalization in headings > too. so it looks like capitalization is the preffered style, at least > where i looked. anyway, i think it's up to the docs team to specify this > rule for english documentation, and once done, i can adjust the > documentation to the rules when i find some time. > > Cheers, > miroslav http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalization http://jon.henshaw.me/rules-for-capitalization-in-a-title/ Please note that, as the main (and almost only) author of the italian translation of the GIMP manual, I've always removed it (if found is an error) as in italian is considered a bad habit and is not used at all (pick any italian newspaper at random to see..). -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
[Gimp-docs] help with ubuntu 10.04 make pdf CJK characters
zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area running post-compilation scripts... [index] the index /tmp/tmp75G3db/gimp.idx has changed processing index /tmp/tmp75G3db/gimp.idx... makeindex -o /tmp/tmp75G3db/gimp.ind -t /tmp/tmp75G3db/gimp.ilg -s /usr/share/dblatex/latex/scripts/doc.ist /tmp/tmp75G3db/gimp.idx This is makeindex, version 2.15 [TeX Live 2009] (kpathsea + Thai support). Scanning style file /usr/share/dblatex/latex/scripts/doc.istdone (4 attributes redefined, 0 ignored). Scanning input file /tmp/tmp75G3db/gimp.idx.done (1329 entries accepted, 0 rejected). Sorting entries..done (15008 comparisons). Generating output file /tmp/tmp75G3db/gimp.ind.done (1485 lines written, 0 warnings). Output written in /tmp/tmp75G3db/gimp.ind. Transcript written in /tmp/tmp75G3db/gimp.ilg. gimp.aux MD5 checksum changed gimp.toc MD5 checksum changed pdflatex -interaction=batchmode gimp.tex This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-1.40.10 (TeX Live 2009/Debian) restricted \write18 enabled. entering extended mode libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area libpng warning: Ignoring attempt to set cHRM RGB triangle with zero area running post-compilation scripts... [index] the index /tmp/tmp75G3db/gimp.idx did not change no new compilation is needed running last-compilation scripts... 'gimp.pdf' successfully built the errors: Missing character 최 are due to this: ma...@lap2-ciampix:~/git-gnome/gimp-help-2/src$ grep -R "최" * preface/authors.xml:Choi Ji-Hui(최지희) (Korean) ma...@lap2-ciampix:~/git-gnome/gimp-help-2/src$ grep -R "本" * preface/authors.xml:SimaMoto,RyōTa (島本良太) (Japanese) ma...@lap2-ciampix:~/git-gnome/gimp-help-2/src$ grep -R "蔡" * preface/authors.xml:Cai Qian (蔡芊) (Chinese) that apparently I am not able to compile correctly inside my italian pdf. Where is the problem? In Ubuntu or in the makefile or wherelse? Any hint? -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
[Gimp-docs] gimp doc wiki
It used to be a wiki or not? maybe in http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/ ? Sorry my memory is fading... -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] Where does the HTML documentation
On Thu, Jul 29, 2010 at 03:05:12PM -0400, Hugh Loebner wrote: > I downloaded GIMP. I downloaded and unzipped, tarred, whatever, the > documentation. Gimp help doesn't know where it is. Where/how do I > get Gimp help to find the documentation. Why isn't this in the > on-line help, anyway? > > Thanx for any help A little more info could help us. Help us to help you! 1) which system? Windows, Linux or MacOSX? -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
[Gimp-docs] toolbox screenshots
Hello everybody I'm writing in the hope to be useful for someone. I've recently found that the common (english) toolbox panel screenshots (those images with the tool icon selected) are updated to GIMP 2.6.x that has no menu so there's no need to create a nationalized version for those screenshots anymore. So I've erased all the obsolete and unuseful images from the italian toolbox folder (i.e. images/it/toolbox/toolbox-TOOL.png). Since some languages are not so frequently updated, I've erased the ES and CS toolbox images too. For those languages, the common and updated images will substitute the older images automatically to the next make (thanks to the Ulf work...). For the other, more often updated languages (for example German), I've not done anything yet and I think it's better to leave the decision to update (or simply erase the images and so leaving the updated default) to the language leader. Said so, please, if you think that the updated default could go (even temporarily) for those screenshots, erase those images or tell me to do it for you. For instance the images are all toolbox screenshots with the tool corrispondant button selected in images/LANG/toolbox/toolbox-TOOL.png Thank you for your attention. -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] where are the pdf snapshots?
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:39:43PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: > We are (slowly) moving all gimp.org services to the machine that hosts > www.gimp.org. That should solve all disk space issues we had for > docs.gimp.org and ftp.gimp.org. Many thanks for your efforts! That will be great! -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] where are the pdf snapshots?
On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 02:26:40PM +1000, Roman Joost wrote: > On Thu, Jun 03, 2010 at 11:48:58PM -0300, Joao S. O. Bueno wrote: > > On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Roman Joost wrote: > > > Hi Marco, > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 01:50:12PM +0200, Marco Ciampa wrote: > > >> Thanks to the Ulf wonderful work, now the entire bulding process work > > >> flawlessly (as far as I can see) and I'll try even to automate it. > > > I would have loved to install a buildbot on wilber, which creates > > > nightly builds of the user manual (and other formats). Unfortunately > > > wilber doesn't provide enough resources to do that :( > > > > Hi Roman - > > one of the subjects on our BoF session was just about getting > > ourselves enough hardware resources to be confotable. > > I am to researhc wether we could use gnome.org servers or rent servers > > on our own (gimp). > > > > So, what resources do you think we'd need for a docs built bot (in the > > plans is, of course, to have an automated GIMP build running oftenly > > as well ) > I think it'll be merely disk space what we need for releases and > snapshots. The buildbot could "make" a nightly update of the current > snapshot of the HTML version. > > So, if you need some numbers, a partition/folder with at least 1GB of > free hard disk space would be a good start and IMHO it would make sense > if we could share the buildbot with the developers. Any news in this regard? If we need some space on a remote site I think it is not so expensive nowadays...and I'll be glad to contribute in this regard... ciao -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] Help release
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:55:31PM +0200, Sven Neumann wrote: > On Tue, 2010-06-15 at 11:28 +1000, Roman Joost wrote: > > > because the question of a new gimp-help release came up and the last > > release is quite a few months back, how about preparing for a new > > release? According to the changelog a lot has changed, now I'm > > wondering if there are still a few things missing which contributors > > want to see in a new release. > > Is the current state in git still targetting GIMP 2.6? Just making > sure... > It seems not looking at this page: http://docs.gimp.org/2.6/en/gimp-concepts-script-fu.html in particular this is totally wrong (obsolete) text & screenshots http://docs.gimp.org/2.6/en/kinds-of-script-fu.html IMHO this should be updated _before_ a release, _or_ it should be clearly written (README?) that some sections still refers to GIMP older versions. -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] orphaned images
On Tue, Jun 08, 2010 at 10:50:16AM +1000, Roman Joost wrote: > On Mon, Jun 07, 2010 at 11:16:29AM +0200, Marco Ciampa wrote: > > During a make check-images-it I found many orphaned images. > > > > Done a git rm to all /it/ images (many) the command showed many /C/ > > orphaned images too. > > > > Is it safe to clear them all? > > > > I am asking because want another opinion before doing such a large commit. > You may want to do an additional grep to check if those images are used > somewhere in the XML: > > grep -r "image-name.png" * > > in the root of the module usually does the trick. IMHO cleaning up > orphaned images frees a lot of space and is encouraged. > Ok done. -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
[Gimp-docs] orphaned images
During a make check-images-it I found many orphaned images. Done a git rm to all /it/ images (many) the command showed many /C/ orphaned images too. Is it safe to clear them all? I am asking because want another opinion before doing such a large commit. TIA -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] section history
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 09:03:32PM +0200, jhardlin wrote: > > > our XML files still contain section history comments like > > > > > > > > IMO these comments are obsolete and useless, and we could remove them > > (whenever we edit XML files). > > Anonymous xml files is not a good idea > > I think the history must be reserved for creation and adding new features. > So, we can delete all what is about translation or fixing typos. > So git log are for what? Please avoid redundant data. -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] section history
On Tue, Jun 01, 2010 at 08:23:03PM +0200, Ulf-D. Ehlert wrote: > Hi, > > our XML files still contain section history comments like > > > > IMO these comments are obsolete and useless, and we could remove them > (whenever we edit XML files). > > What do you think? > > Ulf Please do! Many thanks Ulf! -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] where are the pdf snapshots?
On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 10:55:03AM +1000, Roman Joost wrote: > On Wed, Jun 02, 2010 at 12:38:57AM +0200, Marco Ciampa wrote: > > The page: > > > > http://docs.gimp.org/index.html > > > > states: "Please visit our Downloads page for stable releases and PDF > > snapshots." > > > > but it seems that there are not any pdf snapshots whatsoever... > Well there are PDF releases for GIMP 2.4 and 2.2 > > > Since from time to time someone ask me about those, is it possible to > > build a copy of the manual in that format every month or so? > As far as I know, the PDF creation is b0rked after we moved to gettext > support. make pdf-it pdf-en works to me... > We have to fix that first in order to create PDFs again. But I > could be possibly wrong and Ulf knows more about this issue. I currently maintain an italian GIMP site (static pages, not so often updated, I'm wondering to switch to a CMS...). I want to mantain a local snapshot of the html and pdf version of the manual, on line and in compressed versions. Thanks to the Ulf wonderful work, now the entire bulding process work flawlessly (as far as I can see) and I'll try even to automate it. If you need a hand to do the same on the reference site, I'll be glad to help. Another idea is that it could be nice if the docs site could be internationalized... that will be wonderfull and, obviously, I am here to help for the italian translation. bye -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
[Gimp-docs] where are the pdf snapshots?
The page: http://docs.gimp.org/index.html states: "Please visit our Downloads page for stable releases and PDF snapshots." but it seems that there are not any pdf snapshots whatsoever... Since from time to time someone ask me about those, is it possible to build a copy of the manual in that format every month or so? bye -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] I'm very glad to see correction on my English text.
On Tue, May 04, 2010 at 09:01:01PM +0200, Ulf-D. Ehlert wrote: > So meanwhile I think we should move all these descriptions of filter > details/internals to separate ions at the end of the files. This > way, the most general, relevant and important information is at the > beginning, while towards the end the information is getting more > specific and detailed. (Only the really interested reader will scroll > down to the end of the page.) Great idea. I agree... -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] weird translation missing
On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 07:22:03PM +0200, Ulf-D. Ehlert wrote:
> Did "make html-it" update the appropriate files:
> [POT] pot/tutorial.pot
> [PO] po/it/tutorial.po
> [XML] xml/it/tutorial/xml
> ...
>
> I tried to build HTML from a git archive:
>
> $ git archive --prefix=gimp-help-2/ master | tar -xvf- -C /tmp
> $ cd /tmp/gimp-help-2
> $ ./autogen.sh --without-gimp
> $ make html-{en,de,it,ja,...}
>
> with this result:
>
> - html/it/gimp-tutorial-quickie-flip.html : translated
> (except first para)
>
> - html/ja/gimp-painting.html: translated
>
> so it looks that it should work but things are messed up somehow
> (wrong timestamps, xml2po versions mix, or whatever).
>
> Let's try brute force:
>
> # if you are curious:
> $ cp -a pot pot.backup
> $ cp -a po/it po/it.backup
> $ cp -a xml/it xml/it.backup
>
> $ rm -rf pot
> $ make pot
> $ find pot/ -name '*.pot' | xargs touch
> $ make po-it
> $ make xml-it
> $ make html-it
>
> # if you are curious:
> $ diff -ur pot.backup/ pot/
> $ diff -ur po/it.backup/ po/it/
> $ diff -ur xml/it.backup/ xml/it/
> # (tip: install colordiff from http://colordiff.sourceforge.net/
> # and run "diff -ur ... | colordiff")
>
> $ rm -rf pot.backup po/it.backup xml/it.backup
>
> (RyōTa, you may want to try it with "ja" instead of "it").
>
> I hope this will solve your problems. (Otherwise I'll have to emigrate
> to Australia too...)
Don't worry...it worked :-)
Maybe it could be addedd to the makefile (make poclean or something...)?
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Re: [Gimp-docs] Gimp-docs Digest, Vol 71, Issue 7
On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 09:02:37AM +0100, Vitaly Lomov wrote: > me too :-) . What tripped me up in the beginning was git. Wrapping my > head around it (with all the good help and manuals) took me some time, > and every time I had git problem, my enthusiasm cooled down a little. > Many a times I just backed up my changed files, deleted the local > folder and downloaded the repository from scratch. All the while I > wasn't translating. The last thing that did it for me was some .gif > image that was originally saved as .GIF then somehow became .gif. Git > treated them differently and couldn't commit my changes because one > file wasn't there, but the file was there with just a different letter > case. I am on windows, where case doesn't matter. Deleting or renaming > the files just made matters worse. So, take-away point should be > consistent case (i.e. all small) for committed files. My guess is the > image was created in Paint, which saves the file with capital case > extension. > I think move to po was a great idea. But I found editor functionality > lacking. Tried poedit and lokalize, decided to use lokalize, which has > good translation memory management, but crashes if you sneeze at it. > If I spend any of little free time researching other editors, I am not > translating. On the contributor page recommended software section > would be great. how much time wasted using Windows ... sorry I couldn't resist! ;-) on the contributor pages is it written that Linux is the dev OS of choice? There are plenty of translation tools po-aware on that OS... -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
Re: [Gimp-docs] weird translation missing
On Thu, Apr 08, 2010 at 10:13:13PM +0200, Kolbjørn Stuestøl wrote: > Ulf-D. Ehlert skreiv: > > Marco Ciampa (Wednesday, 07. April 2010) > > > >> Hello everybody, > >> I found that this page: > >> > >> http://docs.gimp.org/2.6/it/gimp-tutorial-quickie-flip.html > >> > >> is untranslated in the html output. This is weird since the doc is > >> valid and the translation is _not_ missing in the .po file: > >> tutorial.po > >> > >> What is goning on? > >> > > > > Maybe it's just dated? > > > > Ulf > > > I had a similar problem a while ago and got this answer from Ulf: > > > Maybe your po file is created with a different xml2po program than > > your pot file, and this led to slightly different translations > > (with/without ). > > > > Then you should touch the relevant src files and re-make the po files. > > It solved my problem. > > (If you are using Cygwin, the docbook-xsl installed by default is > outdated. Install a newer version, i.e. v. 1.75.x). > Kolbjoern Done: touch src/tutorial/quickies.xml make html-it It doesn't work. PS: I have ubuntu 9.10... -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
[Gimp-docs] weird translation missing
Hello everybody, I found that this page: http://docs.gimp.org/2.6/it/gimp-tutorial-quickie-flip.html is untranslated in the html output. This is weird since the doc is valid and the translation is _not_ missing in the .po file: tutorial.po What is goning on? -- Marco Ciampa ++ | Linux User #78271 | | FSFE fellow #364 | ++ ___ Gimp-docs mailing list Gimp-docs@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-docs
