Re: [Gimp-user] Build probs w/2.1
Hi, Patrick Shanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Eric Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] [06-10-04 18:31]: I just upgrade to SuSE 9.1. I grabbed the following rpms from www.usr-local-bin.org: ... make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/dit/downloads/gimp-2.1.0' make: *** [all] Error 2 ... I'm stumped. Any ideas, anyone? Me 2. Why didn't you get the rpm for gimp 2.1 also at the same location? gimp-beta-2.1.0-100.SuSE.ulb.1.i586.rpm Who the fuck distributes binary packages of gimp-2.1 although we explicitely asked people not to? Someone please contact the author of this RPM and ask it to be taken down. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Build probs w/2.1
Hi, Eric Pierce [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I just upgrade to SuSE 9.1. I grabbed the following rpms from www.usr-local-bin.org: gtk-2.4.2 (plus devel) ATK 1.6.0 (plus devel) Glib 2.4.2 (plus devel) Pango 1.4.0 (plus devel) 'configure' goes smoothly, but during 'make' it craps out with the following: gimpviewable.c: In function `gimp_viewable_get_dummy_pixbuf': gimpviewable.c:739: error: `stock_question_64' undeclared (first use in this function) gimpviewable.c:739: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once gimpviewable.c:739: error: for each function it appears in.) There's most likely a problem with gdk-pixbuf-csource. My guess is that the pixbuf-loaders file could not be generated because your GTK+ installation is broken. Remove the file themes/Default/images/gimp-stock-pixbufs.h and rerun make. Watch out for errors when the header file is being rebuilt. Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] install probs
On Friday 11 June 2004 11:11 am, squareyes wrote: Hi all, I had Gimp 2 up and running (from gimp-2.0.0-richard.1mdk.i586.rpm) on Mandrake 10, which was installed as an update from Man 9.1. Installed Gimp 2.0 with no probs, but have since had to reformat. Installed Mandrake 10 as a fresh install, now am having probs getting Gimp 2 to install from same rpm. Keep getting Installation failed, some files are missing: /mnt/cdrom/gimp-2.0.0-richard.1mdk.i586.rpm You may want to update your urpmi database Installed urpmi.setup to try and update, have no idea what I am doing, as it seems to want to update the 4 Mandrake install disks, which is not possible. Have tried copying rpm to hard drive and installing from there, same. == Winton, I'm no Mandrake expert by any means, but this error sounds like you are missing some needed GTK+ files. I suspect MDK 10 only installed the Gnome files needed to run most programs, but didn't some that Gimp needed. Just a guess, not certain. I would think when trying to install, it would give you more details though. What you might try is to install the rpm from a shell with: rpm -Uhv gimp-2.0.0-richard.1mdk.i586.rpm If there are unmet dependencies or conflicts, they will show there. --- Tried the rpm from Mandrake cooker site, and get this error message. Some package requested cannot be installed: gimp2_0-2.0.1-1mdk.i586 (due to unsatisfied libgimpwidgets-2.0.so.0) do you agree ? As I am unsatisfied most of the time I had to agree :-) What is a libgimpwidget?, which ones do I need?, where would I get them?, and if I can get them, what do I do with them? (without being rude :-) ) Sorry I am a rank beginner here. Any helpfull suggestions would be most gratefully accepted. Many thanks in advance, Take Care Winton == libgimpwidget is actually part of the Gimp rpm file. You can find this out by doing: rpm -q --whatprovides (name of file) This of course will only work if the file is installed on your system, otherwise you can view the files in the rpm with programs like Midnight Commander or Kpackage. Regards, Patrick -- --- KMail v1.6.2 --- SuSE Linux Pro v9.1 --- Registered Linux User #225206 On any other day, that might seem strange... ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Terrible time to get 2.01 running
rob wrote: Rember you need all the -dev rpms if you want to compile stuff. It would be a much much beter idea for you to install the rpm. Ditching suse for debian would also be a good idea. I too had literally the worst experience thus far in my Linux life trying to install GIMP 2.0 on a Fedora Core distro. Some blame may go to FC and some to the GIMP website. I do NOT know enough about installing software and administering Linux systems to accurately identify what made my experience so dreadful. However, let me point out that it just 'worked' on Windows. All I had to do was download the exe installer for GTK and GIMP, install A before B, and it was done. On Fedora, I tried installing RPM, but had failed dependencies that I could *not* find. I tried compiling and installing from source, but ran into an endless confusing set of problems related to version conflicts reported by the system (causing me to learn a lot about compiling linked libraries, and setting environment variables etc. that I don't have time to learn just to get a piece of graphic software installed.) I tried precompiled binaries, but again ran into problems with the system either missing some dependency, or some version conflict (I can't remember exactly). The point is this.it doesn't matter *why* it is difficult, it matters that it *is* difficult. The result is that people will not use the GIMP unless they are on Windows, or they are/have access to a Linux guru to install it. My case is partly unique because as a Free Software advocate and developer, I *want* to learn all the internals regarding system administration and compiling, so I'll sweat through all the details and the frustrations until it works. I am also extremely motivated to get the GIMP installed on Linux, because I use Linux full-time at work, and only use Windows on rare occasions at home, plus I do image manipulation both professionally and for fun. Lastly, I committed to give presentations on the GIMP to LUGs, so I had better get my system setup. With all these motivations (and help from the community), I got GIMP working. I had the liberty of switching distributions, because I just bought a new disk that I could migrate to, and I *wanted* to switch distros from RedHat (FC1) to Debian for a lot of reasons which are beyond the scope of this message. The point here is that mine is a very unique case. 99% of people will not, and should not be encouraged to, switch distributions just to get a single application installed. That said, I have to report complete satisfaction with installing GIMP 2 on Debian (Sarge). I followed a simple 3 or 4 step procedure (found from a link on Gimp.org) and it was done. It worked as good as the install process for Windows. My hope is that the 'tricks' to installing on these notoriously difficult distributions can be added to GIMP.org. For example: Compiling from source is not recommended unless you know about X, Y, and Z. To learn more about X, Y, and Z, go here. You need -dev RPMs for all your tools and libraries. You can get those off your distro CDs if you have Source RPMs, or you can download them here Here is a walkthrough and some good diagnostic commands that will help you determine how your current system is setup (assuming you've got a working distro but are not a uber-geek and so don't know these magic incantations.) Here is a step-by-step decision tree to get GIMP installed depending on the answers to these diagnostic tools. The outcomes I'm after are: a) more happy users of the GIMP b) less drag on the community answering questions related to 'ordinary' installs -- FREePHILE We are 'Open' for Business Free and Open Source Software http://www.freephile.com (978) 270-2425 I was playing poker the other night... with Tarot cards. I got a full house and 4 people died. -- Steven Wright ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
RE: [Gimp-user] Making an image with a white background transparent?
Hi Steve, Thanks for the reply! I've been trying all the suggestions I've been getting through this mailing list, and still have not been able to get the background of my test image transparent. Here's the link again for the image I'm working on: http://www.pelican.com/imatges/3cases_1620.jpg I went through all the Gimp options after right-clicking on the image, and do not see any add alpha channel .. I've been browsing FAQ's on the net regarding the Gimp, and have seen that images that are not in RGB can be problematic. Just for kicks, I went and tried to change mode to RGB, but RGB is greyed out for this image. Any thoughts? Thanks! Mark -Original Message- From: Steve Stavropoulos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:16 PM To: dreadnought Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Gimp-user] Making an image with a white background transparent? On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, dreadnought wrote: I've been using the technique mentioned in the email below to try to get images with white backgrounds transparent .. I've had some good luck, but also some bad. Today I used the process on two .jpg's and the *entire* images ended up transparent. In one of the images, the foreground color is actually black. I've got the color picker on white and then do a color to alpha on white. The entire image (including the black stuff in the middle) gets the alternating boxes indicative of transparency. This behaviour is the expected. Color to alpha removes the selected color from all the colors in the image in such a way that when you put the image above a background of that color you will get your original image. To do what you want, and that is to just erase a specific color, you should: 1) add an alpha channel to your layer if it hasn't got any yet (right click on the layer and add alpha channel) 2) Select - Select by Color 3) Edit - Clear ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Making an image with a white background transparent?
I was able to make the white background transparent following this procedure using Gimp 2.0.1 on Linux. This procedure should be platform independent and possibly release independent: 1) Open the image 2) On the Layers dialog, create a new transparent layer 3) Click on the Background layer so the original image is selected 4) Use the Select By Color tool to select the white (Right click on the image, click on Select then on By color and choose the white background with the mouse pointer) 5) Right click on the image and click Select then Grow and grow the selection by 1 pixel 6) Invert the selection by right-clicking on the image and Select then Invert 7) Then copy the selection by right clicking on the image then Edit then Copy 8)On the layers dialog, select the transparent layer so it is the currrent/active layer 9) Right click on the image and click Edit then Paste 10) Click the Anchor button on the layers dialog to anchor the image you just pasted 11) Click the eye icon to the left of the original image layer with the Background name and the white background should disappear This process can be simplified using layer masks: 1) Open the image 2) On the Layers dialog, right click on the Background layer and click Add Alpha Channel 3) Right click on the image and click Select then By color 4) Right click on the image and click Select then Grow and grow the selection by 1 pixel 5) Choose the white background with the mouse pointer 6) On the Layers dialog, right-click on the Background layer and click Add Layer Mask Select the White (Full Opacity) mask option 7) Right click on the image and click Edit Fill with FG color and the white background should disappear 8) On the Layers dialog, right click on the Background layer and click Apply Layer Mask 9) At this point, you must decide if you want to save as GIF or PNG since JPEG does not support transparency and save the image. Be sure to use Save As to save the image so you won't clobber the orignal. I'm sure others can fine tune this procedure as well but I just did it and the image does have a transparent background. Hope this helps! :) Peace Tom dreadnought wrote: Hi Steve, Thanks for the reply! I've been trying all the suggestions I've been getting through this mailing list, and still have not been able to get the background of my test image transparent. Here's the link again for the image I'm working on: http://www.pelican.com/imatges/3cases_1620.jpg I went through all the Gimp options after right-clicking on the image, and do not see any add alpha channel .. I've been browsing FAQ's on the net regarding the Gimp, and have seen that images that are not in RGB can be problematic. Just for kicks, I went and tried to change mode to RGB, but RGB is greyed out for this image. Any thoughts? Thanks! Mark -Original Message- From: Steve Stavropoulos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2004 9:16 PM To: dreadnought Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Gimp-user] Making an image with a white background transparent? On Tue, 8 Jun 2004, dreadnought wrote: I've been using the technique mentioned in the email below to try to get images with white backgrounds transparent .. I've had some good luck, but also some bad. Today I used the process on two .jpg's and the *entire* images ended up transparent. In one of the images, the foreground color is actually black. I've got the color picker on white and then do a color to alpha on white. The entire image (including the black stuff in the middle) gets the alternating boxes indicative of transparency. This behaviour is the expected. Color to alpha removes the selected color from all the colors in the image in such a way that when you put the image above a background of that color you will get your original image. To do what you want, and that is to just erase a specific color, you should: 1) add an alpha channel to your layer if it hasn't got any yet (right click on the layer and add alpha channel) 2) Select - Select by Color 3) Edit - Clear ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Making an image with a white background transparent?
On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 09:05:10AM -0700, dreadnought wrote: Thanks for the reply! I've been trying all the suggestions I've been getting through this mailing list, and still have not been able to get the background of my test image transparent. Here's the link again for the image I'm working on: http://www.pelican.com/imatges/3cases_1620.jpg I went through all the Gimp options after right-clicking on the image, and do not see any add alpha channel .. I've been browsing FAQ's on the net regarding the Gimp, and have seen that images that are not in RGB can be problematic. Just for kicks, I went and tried to change mode to RGB, but RGB is greyed out for this image. well, RGB might be greyed out because you are trying to convert the converted. meaning it already is rgb. making transparent jpegs is impossible due to the format of jpegs, if this is what you are trying to do. formats that handle transparency include (but are not limited to) png, gif, and xpm. i dont know if this is addressing your particular problem or not. to add alpha to a background layer (the only gimp layer that does not come with an alpha layer) is to right click on the image and choose Layers --Transparency --Add Alpha. Or you can right click to the right of the layer icon in the Layers Dialog (Dialogs --Layers) and select Add Transparency. sorry the documentation was not there. the gimp has been doing this layers and transparency thing for a long time. some of the lack of documentation is from the fact it is used so much. similar to the lack of documentation on how to breathe out there. enjoy working with the gimp. and do spend some time looking through and trying the various menu options available to you. the gimp has much to offer, more than you can imagine without checking it out for yourself. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Usability test - Results available
On Fri, Jun 11, 2004 at 09:35:32PM +0300, Juhana Sadeharju wrote: From:Sven Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you are still using GIMP 1.2.3 then we don't want to hear from you on the gimp-developer list. Update to 2.0 (at least) or keep quiet. Hey, I just wanted to point out what usability problems we users have. Those who are willing to check it. Open two images. Open color levels dialogs for both images. What do you have? you deleted the portions of this mail that explain the test. they are two different dialogs. Can GIMP be scripted to automatically open images, test out tools, move pointer, draw, and take screenshots about that all? I would then check out from screenshots how the tools work without having to take a look at the code or to make always difficult installations at every turn (I get new GIMP when I install new Linux dist). Such script could be generated by recording actions. When new tools are coded, their usage is recorded to the script. The script could also be used to verify that the installations went ok. gimp has been able to do this since gimp-1.0.2 that i know of. carol ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Re: [Gimp-developer] Re: Usability test - Results available
From: Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] gimp has been able to do this since gimp-1.0.2 that i know of. Good. Anyone has used it to make the screenshots? I would like to take a look. Juhana ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Terrible time to get 2.01 running
Hi, Greg Rundlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My hope is that the 'tricks' to installing on these notoriously difficult distributions can be added to GIMP.org. For example: Compiling from source is not recommended unless you know about X, Y, and Z. To learn more about X, Y, and Z, go here. You need -dev RPMs for all your tools and libraries. You can get those off your distro CDs if you have Source RPMs, or you can download them here.. Nothing of this is GIMP specific. All just basic problems common to whatever software you compile. Why should this info be duplicated yet another time on the gimp.org web-site? Sven ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] RE;Re;install probs
Bandit Pat wrote, Winton, I'm no Mandrake expert by any means, but this error sounds like you are missing some needed GTK+ files. I suspect MDK 10 only installed the Gnome files needed to run most programs, but didn't some that Gimp needed. Just a guess, not certain. I would think when trying to install, it would give you more details though. What you might try is to install the rpm from a shell with: rpm -Uhv gimp-2.0.0-Richard.1mdk.i586.rpm If there are unmet dependencies or conflicts, they will show there. Hi all, thanks BanditPat, I will try to install from a shell, its about time I learned a bit, but in the mean time have solved install probs without changing distributions, am running a copy of Knoppix 3.4 which has Gimp 2 on it, when I want to use Gimp2. No install required, and no distro change either. Easy solution for those of us who have no idea of how to fix any install probs. Take Care Winton ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Terrible time to get 2.01 running
Greg Rundlett [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My hope is that the 'tricks' to installing on these notoriously difficult distributions can be added to GIMP.org. For example: Compiling from source is not recommended unless you know about X, Y, and Z. To learn more about X, Y, and Z, go here. You need -dev RPMs for all your tools and libraries. You can get those off your distro CDs if you have Source RPMs, or you can download them here.. Sven Neumann wrote: Nothing of this is GIMP specific. All just basic problems common to whatever software you compile. Why should this info be duplicated yet another time on the gimp.org web-site? I don't know. I guess I don't know where to find this info so if there is somewhere else on the net (e.g. tldp.org) where I can quickly learn the essentials that I'm going to need but are beyond the scope of the gimp.org download page, then it would be good to have a link to that reference source. For example, there is a 10-part HOWTO at tldp.org on compiling Apache from source (http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Apache-Compile-HOWTO/index.html) Gimp.org tells me that compiling from source is not so hard as long as you have met these dependencieswhen I did download and install the dependencies, I found that there was a specific order for installing these (not addressed on gimp.org), and that there were also some dependencies of the dependencies that were not listed on gimp.org. The install for Windows XP, and Debian (Sarge) are frictionless. With other platforms or distros, you're potentially going to run into blockers. These are issues that GIMP developers/testers/volunteers might want to address in a) an install script (if that is even possible) or b) an install guide. I expect the more 'polished' software to have installers that take care of the complexities. OpenOffice.org does a good job of hiding the complexities, and Mozilla has been more recently successful in this area as well. I think GIMP, and GTK are essential parts of the Free Software desktop, so I hope that any ordinary user can take advantage of them. All I am reporting is that it can be difficult to install GIMP. If I were capable of making it easier to install, I would. ___ Gimp-user mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.xcf.berkeley.edu/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
