On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 04:16:03PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Carol Spears [EMAIL PROTECTED] [12-08-05 23:29]:
i have been alive for several decades and have other experiences that
make me question the title professional in things and when describing
people. and not all experiences with the title have been bad either.
it really simply seems to be independent of the word, whether the
software or the person is such.
Professional merely distinguished the distro with two exellent paper
manuals and a dvd or two containing the distro and source code. There
was a lesser matching distro with no dvd's and only one manual, called
an upgrade, iirc.
well, while we await for the recap of the problem you asked for from the
SuSe users who cannot build gimp-perl, i find this thread to be
interesting and cannot help but continueing with it.
i think the word Professional is being used the right way here. I
have no problems with that. Enabled Professional though, might be not
applicable since those documents failed and they are here asking for
help from undefined volunteers. i like build problems though, it is
extremely interesting.
you asked for a recap of build problems. i do not actually have any
problems building things myself -- not really. i am very picky and have
been pounding this one very fine point about the way my distribution, my
build tools and my pet project work together. i build with gnu build
tools on linux. i am using my own build of the kernel and my
distribution is debian sid (where there are few promises and i know
that). my pet project is everything from glib through gimp. because of
the problem i had with this one fine point, i had to start building my
window manager as well. here is the one problem:
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=322885 and the fact that three
different developers from three different development communities are
there looking at it speaks very well of all of the software i am using.
i am not a Professional and loathe to give myself this name. in fact,
recently i have received personal email in which people asked me to
define what it is that i do for gimp. my problems with defining my role
have to do with the fact that as soon as i do this, i can probably be
replaced by someone with qualifications.
also, the way i ran around pestering the people in debian and libtool
and glib/pango/gtk+ was anything but professional.
btw, being able to build gimp-perl has nothing to do with this bug
report. i was able to use debian software and build gimp and gimp-perl
for a very very long while now. one might call it professionally
enabled that way. however, as i said, it is not like all three of
these development communities do not have issues and problems you can
easily show.
i am so impressed with the bug report and the participants. i am
curious however if it really is a problem or if one or all of them there
know what needs to be done to fix it.
it really made for some great mail though. i got this url from the gnu
guy:
http://aquamarine.bikeshed.com/
he was consoling me when i was being hurt because the gtk+ developers
were complaining about the way my patch also made the file more
readible. without actually being a part of the debian community, i
wonder how many of their problems are like this.
Maybe Novell could consider rehiring some of their linux staff and
coming up with a distribution entitled Professionally Enabled. i
dunno, it has a certain flair and appeal to it, you think?
carol
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