Re: [Gimp-user] Wow Linux Journal not very enamoured with GIMP.
On Thursday 21 June 2007 21:17, Brendan wrote: On Wednesday 20 June 2007, Eric P wrote: I really get peeved by these types of articles. GIMP is GIMP. Krita is Krita. CinePaint is CinePaint. Each is a tool. Use the right tool for the job. There are lots of hammers. Some are good for some projects. Others are good for other projects. None are good for all projects. As an author, he should know that and write accordingly. In this case, it looks like he's more interested in publicly bashing one tool (which would be an opinion piece, which this is not intended to be) instead of trying to help his readers (a reference piece or review, which this *is* intended to be). In the Open Source world Gimp is the best (most mature, fastest, most fully featured etc.) replacement for Photoshop. That said, for print use it needs to be able to work in the cmyk world and also be able to use icc profiles. If Krita, Scribus etc. can add these features then Gimp should be able to also. The reason why people want to have Gimp tools transferred to Krita is that Krita can work in cmyk, and Gimp's progress in this regard seems to be asymptotic, closer and closer but it never seems to get there. Krita is however dead slow. I use nothing but Open Source, and Gimp is one of my favorites. But my business is publishing and I need cmyk. -- John Culleton Able Indexing and Typesetting Precision typesetting (tm) at reasonable cost. Satisfaction guaranteed. http://wexfordpress.com ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP magazine, was: LJ not very enamoured
On Thursday 21 June 2007, Michael Schumacher wrote: Sounds like the article uses Cinepaint propaganda without original research. You could be right on the money. It's typical (speaking from experience here) for magazine article authors to be under time pressure, so they don't always feel free to do as much research as they'd like (and as they should). Which leads me to my next question/suggestion: have any of us considered putting together a magazine website? If it went well, we could get all ambitious and turn it into a paper raga as well, but the general idea would be to present a semi-official place to collect both competent critisims (like Mr Hammel's) and also an occasional article on plain old using the GIMP, plus one on artistic techniques (thinks like recoving faces from botched photos, differences from other programs, an article or two from developers on what's gunner happen to GIMP how why. I think we could do a little light advertising (GIMP and graphics focus) as well, to cover hosting costs et al, but I'm happy to volunteer to put the effort in to run the site (call the post abuse server?) and nag people for articles etc. The leading question, I guess, would be: does such a beastie exist already? How much duplication of effort would it involve? The printed graphics magazines available here in Oz tend to be quite expensive, and if they have a product focus, it'll typically be PhotoShop. So you could call this filling a personal need. I'm not in a position to run a server (net access here is dialup -- slow -- or satellite -- $$$ for data -- so what we'd need to do this voluntarily is someone with an ADSL or similar link with a few spare gigabytes and a machine which won't mind being a DNS and web server (which implies a fixed IP address). Thankfully, this is gravy for Linux. Under Mandriva, I'd do something like urpmi apache-mod_php apache-ssl bind and edit up a new user with write access to a virtual hosting directory (then you could run several independent sites). Debianoid systems would be a similar command, with apt-get or the like. Aaanyway, the point of a mailing list is to comment, so please educate me! (-: What do you think? Cheers; Leon -- http://cyberknights.com.au/ Modern tools; traditional dedication http://plug.linux.org.au/ Member, Perth Linux User Group http://slpwa.asn.au/Member, Linux Professionals WA http://osia.net.au/ Member, Open Source Industry Australia http://linux.org.au/Committee Member, Linux Australia ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP magazine, was: LJ not very enamoured
Leon Brooks wrote: On Thursday 21 June 2007, Michael Schumacher wrote: Sounds like the article uses Cinepaint propaganda without original research. You could be right on the money. It's typical (speaking from experience here) for magazine article authors to be under time pressure, so they don't always feel free to do as much research as they'd like (and as they should). Which leads me to my next question/suggestion: have any of us considered putting together a magazine website? If it went well, we could get all ambitious and turn it into a paper raga as well, but the general idea would be to present a semi-official place to collect both competent critisims (like Mr Hammel's) and also an occasional article on plain old using the GIMP, plus one on artistic techniques (thinks like recoving faces from botched photos, differences from other programs, an article or two from developers on what's gunner happen to GIMP how why. I think we could do a little light advertising (GIMP and graphics focus) as well, to cover hosting costs et al, but I'm happy to volunteer to put the effort in to run the site (call the post abuse server?) and nag people for articles etc. The leading question, I guess, would be: does such a beastie exist already? How much duplication of effort would it involve? The printed graphics magazines available here in Oz tend to be quite expensive, and if they have a product focus, it'll typically be PhotoShop. So you could call this filling a personal need. I'm not in a position to run a server (net access here is dialup -- slow -- or satellite -- $$$ for data -- so what we'd need to do this voluntarily is someone with an ADSL or similar link with a few spare gigabytes and a machine which won't mind being a DNS and web server (which implies a fixed IP address). I don't think the costs on the electronic side would be that bad. Currently I use namecheap for my domains and hostgator for hosting, neither of which runs that bad (three domains at approximately $8.88/year and $10/month for the hosting.). And I am nowhere near my limit for storage. The hardest part of any sort of periodical publication is keeping that constant energy going. We all have our lives outside of this forum, and in many cases that life has to come first. Somebody is going to have to maintain the role of editor and chief nagger in terms of getting content in on time (I've played that role and it is not fun). One last question for you all: if you do put-together an online magazine, who will you be writing to and for? It's easy for the people here to put questions to themselves and answer them, but I'm thinking that's not the audience you're aiming for (otherwise, why would you even need to expand beyond this). -- The NCP Revue -- http://www.ncprevue.com/blog ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP magazine, was: LJ not very enamoured
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007 07:51:43 -0600, John Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone else wrote: It's typical (speaking from experience here) for magazine article authors to be under time pressure, so they don't always feel free to do as much research as they'd like (and as they should). As an article writer for most of the well known Linux-based magazines, let me say that my experience has been that the writers procrastinate too much. I've never been pushed for time by LJ, Linux Magazine, LWN.net, Maximum Linux (now defunct), Salon.com, Linsight (also defunct) or Linux Format. You simply have to schedule the time to do the research. Which leads me to my next question/suggestion: have any of us considered putting together a magazine website? Yes. I've considered it. There were two reasons I didn't follow through with this: 1. Getting articles from good writers is difficult. 2. Cost of publication of a print rag is too high given the number of GIMP users (at the time - this was before there were a lot of Windows and Mac users). There may be sufficient numbers of GIMP users to warrant a site now from the point of view of getting sponsors to cover hosting costs. And producing PDFs (instead of print) would also lower costs. But it's doubtful you could cover the cost of generating content. Finding good writers is tough. Finding bad writers is easy. I think we could do a little light advertising (GIMP and graphics focus) as well, to cover hosting costs et al, but I'm happy to volunteer to put the effort in to run the site (call the post abuse server?) and nag people for articles etc. Not that I'm volunteering at the moment, but I have my own co-located server that can probably cover the load if we didn't distributed large files. My hosting costs per month are minimal at the moment (I already pay for several other web sites hosted on that machine), though they'll go up if the site were to use a large amount of bandwidth. The site could be a CMS based on WordPress, which makes management easy. All that's needed is a decent theme to the site to get it up and running. The leading question, I guess, would be: does such a beastie exist already? How much duplication of effort would it involve? There are a few web sites with tutorials. I'll have links to them on my new books website when that goes live (soon, I believe, depending on when they announce it at No Starch Press). I haven't found any GIMP-specific magazine sites. I used to write TheGimp.com back in the late 90's after my first book came out, but that was more work than I could handle on my own (there was no revenue for it, not even advertising) and it eventually dried up. Other sites like LinuxArtist, 3DLinux and CreativeLinux have all gone by the wayside. The real hard part is content. Anyone can run a web site. Filling it with interesting content to keep people coming back (and get advertisers to sponsor the site) is difficult. The printed graphics magazines available here in Oz tend to be quite expensive, and if they have a product focus, it'll typically be PhotoShop. So you could call this filling a personal need. It's a nice idea. Just a lot of work with little reward for the person who does it. I'm not in a position to run a server (net access here is dialup -- slow -- or satellite -- $$$ for data -- so what we'd need to do this voluntarily is someone with an ADSL or similar link with a few spare gigabytes and a machine which won't mind being a DNS and web server (which implies a fixed IP address). You don't need to run a DNS if you're colo is managed properly. Just a web server. Currently I use namecheap for my domains and hostgator for hosting, neither of which runs that bad (three domains at approximately $8.88/year and $10/month for the hosting.). And I am nowhere near my limit for storage. These kinds of services will throttle your bandwidth, however, should you get successful. You need a colocated server with either no or high bandwidth limits. I have no limits on disk space and a very high limit on bandwidth with my colo. The hardest part of any sort of periodical publication is keeping that constant energy going. We all have our lives outside of this forum, and in many cases that life has to come first. Somebody is going to have to maintain the role of editor and chief nagger in terms of getting content in on time (I've played that role and it is not fun). Ditto. One last question for you all: if you do put-together an online magazine, who will you be writing to and for? It's easy for the people here to put questions to themselves and answer them, but I'm thinking that's not the audience you're aiming for (otherwise, why would you even need to expand beyond this). Excellent point. When my book's website goes live it will have a forum for discussions and I'll accept submitted content (if it's well written and requires little editing on my part).
[Gimp-user] Selling our photos online
Does anyone know a reliable website where artists and photographers may sell their photos and/or artwork? Thanks, Victor ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Just some Gimp Links
Hi Gimp-user, Following the LJ thread, I thought I'd mention some resources I found useful at this moment in time. Perhaps it'll help someone else get up to speed faster. For background: I was a previous PSP user (didn't like it). I know technology. The extent of my photography/art was icons, snapshots, and non-processed digital images. The list below is beyond Gimps built-in Help[F1]/Context Sensitive Help[Shift-F1], which imho, should always be tried first :-) If you are starting out, you should probably try to read either the Gimp Documentation, or the book at Gimp-Savvy. It's the old 80/20 rule. You'll get 80% of your knowledge from one of these resources. The 20% you'll pick up as you go and on the Net. The links listed below are in no particular order. There is a lot out there, of various quality, and age :-( There is nothing worse spending hours at a site, only to find out that it is irrelevant because it applies to the previous release or older :-) I'm also not a fan of a site that only contains links, without content. It consumes time and the knowledge meter stays the same :-) I try to pick sites that are any of the following: official, active/maintained, the owner cares/has passion for the subject, and is original, with some exceptions. These links are geared towards linux, but there seems to be another whole group of links for Mac and Windows which I haven't pursued. Once you get the basics down, then searching with the search argument gimp and function or whatever you are trying to do seems to work. It never hurts to search for gimp faq or gimp tips tricks. The complaint I keep reading about GIMP is the interface. I have had the exact opposite experience. It isn't perfect, but in general it really works for me. One thing I did was dock all the dialogs in one window. The tools on top, the layers, channels, brushes, gradient, tool options, etc., on the bottom. I thought it was a little tricky docking things. It wasn't obvious to me that you had to drag a dialog to a very specific horizontal line (drag handle area). I found it easier to close the dialog and use Add Tab. Gimp Documentation: http://docs.gimp.org/ GimpGuru: Specializes in photography: http://www.gimpguru.org/Tutorials/ Gimp-tutorials: I'm not sure this is original content: http://www.gimp-tutorials.com/index.php Wiki Gimp: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/The_GIMP/Contents Wiki Gimp 2: http://wiki.gimp.org/gimp/ Gimp tutorials: http://www.gimp.org/tutorials/ Gimp user group (with tutorials): http://gug.sunsite.dk/ Gimp Savvy: Online book: http://gimp-savvy.com/ Akkana Peck's web site: http://shallowsky.com/linux/limaging.html She did a nice tutorial at linuxchix.org (currently being reorganized). And, she did an excellent presentation at the Sydney 2007 Linux Conference that is available in ogg format. imho, this has been the single best resource that took me from square 1 to 10 :-) in a short amount of time. She is knowledgeable and a good speaker, the pace is just right, and you can visually see what she is doing and try it yourself. Adapting Photoshop tutorials for the GIMP: http://gimparoo.wordpress.com/tag/tutorial/gimp/ Couple specific tutorials on Bezier that seemed useful and unique: http://www.tigert.com/gimp/tutorials/ Gimptalk: Forum: http://www.gimptalk.com/forum/ and tutorials: http://www.gimptalk.com/ and tips: http://www.gimptalk.com/forum/forum/GIMP-Tutorials-and-Tips-8-1.html Gimp at flickr: http://flickr.com/groups/gimpusers/discuss/ Gimp at Deviantart: http://browse.deviantart.com/resources/tutorials/gimp/?order=9alltime=yes Gimp at Linuxartist (just links): http://www.linuxartist.org/gimp.html Gimp article at tuxmagazine (PDF): http://www.tuxmagazine.com/system/files?file=Touring_The_GIMP.pdf Tutorials for Gimp: http://gimpology.com/browse/category/Getting+Started YouTube and Gimp: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=gimp+tutorialsearch=Search HTHS -- __ DJ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
[Gimp-user] Just some Gimp Links
Hi there! Very nice link list! Some cool new links for me - thank you. Maybe you add another link to your list, it is my own website www.gimpusers.com. It offers tutorials, news and other stuff for GIMP - its still a small site compared to our original site (gimpusers.de) but we're doing our best to translate the whole content to English. Regards, Bernhard -- Regards, Bernhard Stockmann www.gimpusers.com www.gimpusers.de ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP magazine, was: LJ not very enamoured
A gimp magazine - Here's one in Portuguese which appears to have produced 4 editions since June 2006. Translated by Google: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//www.ogimp.com.br/modules/tinycontent/index.php%3Fid%3D1hl=enlangpair=pt|entbb=1ie=ISO-8859-1 http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//www.ogimp.com.br/modules/tinycontent/index.php%3Fid%3D1hl=enlangpair=pt%7Centbb=1ie=ISO-8859-1 Original: http://www.ogimp.com.br/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=1 http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//www.ogimp.com.br/modules/tinycontent/index.php%3Fid%3D1hl=enlangpair=pt%7Centbb=1ie=ISO-8859-1 Regards ... Alec -- buralex-gmail -- ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] GIMP magazine, was: LJ not very enamoured
hi! thank you for the link. for a tiny url use: http://tinyurl.com/ happy weekend, tina Am 23.06.2007 6:48 Uhr schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED] unter [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A gimp magazine - Here's one in Portuguese which appears to have produced 4 editions since June 2006. Translated by Google: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//www.ogimp.com.br/modules/tiny content/index.php%3Fid%3D1hl=enlangpair=pt|entbb=1ie=ISO-8859-1 http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//www.ogimp.com.br/modules/tin ycontent/index.php%3Fid%3D1amp;hl=enamp;langpair=pt%7Cenamp;tbb=1amp;ie=IS O-8859-1 Original: http://www.ogimp.com.br/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=1 http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A//www.ogimp.com.br/modules/tin ycontent/index.php%3Fid%3D1amp;hl=enamp;langpair=pt%7Cenamp;tbb=1amp;ie=IS O-8859-1 Regards ... Alec -- buralex-gmail -- newhouse - new media Bettina Karena Lechner neue str 16, 2565 neuhaus austria mobil: +43 660 46 25 0 25 tel.: +43 26 74 878 72 fax: +43 2674 878 81 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.newhouse.at --- Hoffnung ist nicht die Überzeugung, dass etwas gut ausgeht, sondern die Gewissheit, dass etwas Sinn hat, egal wie es ausgeht. (Václav Havel) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
