Re: [Gimp-user] Create web page?
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Nathan Lane nathamberl...@gmail.com wrote: W3C does only go over the very basics of everything they offer. Which may make it silly. You mean w3schools? :) The names are confusing... Anyway when I need a HTML or CSS reference I go straight to the source: http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/ http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/REC-xhtml1-20020801/ http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/ ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Create web page?
On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Deniz Dogan deniz.a.m.do...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/29 Paul Hartman paul.hartman+g...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Nathan Lane nathamberl...@gmail.com wrote: W3C does only go over the very basics of everything they offer. Which may make it silly. You mean w3schools? :) The names are confusing... Anyway when I need a HTML or CSS reference I go straight to the source: http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-html401-19991224/ http://www.w3.org/TR/2002/REC-xhtml1-20020801/ http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/ Needless to say there are sources with the same information, but that are easier on the eyes. This is the syntax of the A element according to the W3C source: !ELEMENT A - - (%inline;)* -(A) -- anchor -- !ATTLIST A %attrs; -- %coreattrs, %i18n, %events -- charset %Charset; #IMPLIED -- char encoding of linked resource -- type%ContentType; #IMPLIED -- advisory content type -- nameCDATA #IMPLIED -- named link end -- href%URI; #IMPLIED -- URI for linked resource -- hreflang%LanguageCode; #IMPLIED -- language code -- rel %LinkTypes;#IMPLIED -- forward link types -- rev %LinkTypes;#IMPLIED -- reverse link types -- accesskey %Character;#IMPLIED -- accessibility key character -- shape %Shape;rect -- for use with client-side image maps -- coords %Coords; #IMPLIED -- for use with client-side image maps -- tabindexNUMBER #IMPLIED -- position in tabbing order -- onfocus %Script; #IMPLIED -- the element got the focus -- onblur %Script; #IMPLIED -- the element lost the focus -- Well, that is its definition from the DTD, which is what the document is describing in the first place. They are taking the whole DTD and going over each part piece by piece. You forgot to include the rest of the chapter which explains what all of that means and has several pages of human-language descriptions, examples and explanations about all of it. :) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Web resolution question
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 8:57 AM, bigsk...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a typical or standard monitor resolution a web site should be designed for? The problem I'm having is that when I make a web page the pictures are in a different position as viewed from various computers. Any ideas? There is no standard. Monitor resolution also does not give you any clue about DPI settings, user font size, window size, zoom level, etc. There a million philosophies about web design and the only answer is for you to do what you think is best for your site... At home I have 2048x1152 monitor on primary computer, 1200x1600 on secondary (yes, portrait orientation), my phone has 800x480 (landscape), my wife's phone has 240x320 (portrait), my grandpa is using 800x600 on a 19inch monitor... you can imagine websites look very different depending on which computer I use. You can use something like Google Analytics to see what your customers are using (assuming they have Javascript enabled...). ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Web resolution question
On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 5:06 PM, bigsk...@gmail.com wrote: The only problem isI have no idea how to set the width of my web page. I need to know the exact html code I'm supposed to use. Perhaps use the width or max-width CSS properties in the appropriate place on your page. Which one you use might depend on the structure of your document and the browser used by your audience (I don't think IE6 supports max-width). ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Security issue
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 5:30 PM, klug...@verizon.net wrote: I installed Gimp for the first time this week. Subsequently, Secunia PSI alerted me that the version of GTK + (2.16.6) installed with Gimp is insecure. The GTK web site identifies the current version as 2.18. Same problem happens with other programs that use older gtk+ (inkscape, wireshark...). I just set PSI to ignore them. Is there any way to replace the version installed by Gimp with the latest one? Not really. Will the next release of Gimp have an up-to-date version of GTK? We'll wait and see. :) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Complaint
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:41 AM, BGP bigsk...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure you folks are all experts at GIMP but I've found it to be a very hard to learn how to use. But how many hundreds of hours did it take you to learn how to use it? It depends what you mean by learn how to use it. GIMP is just a tool, what you can do with it depends on your creativity and skill as well. In other words, do you want to know Where can I define a layer mask? or do you want to know What is a layer mask and why would I want to use one? If the latter, then you don't necessarily need a GIMP tutorial as much as basics of digital image manipulation which would apply to almost any similar programs. Also, one option for dealing with tutorials that assume you're using an old version is to use an old version. You may be able to learn GIMP 2.4 and then make the transition to GIMP 2.6 more easily. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] JPG file size increases with saving
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 4:56 AM, Philip Rhoades p...@pricom.com.au wrote: People, I am trying to work out why there is such a large file increase when I edit a file and save it. The background info: Google the difference between lossy and lossless image compression. Once you understand the fundamental differences your question will be answered (actually, it will be a non-question) :) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] JPG file size increases with saving
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Philip Rhoades p...@pricom.com.au wrote: - there was a loss of information when the first JPG was saved in the digital camera memory from the CCD Correct - when the JPG is uncompressed by GIMP into RAM, there is no loss of information (?) Since JPG is not lossless, there is always a loss of information. Or more specifically the same JPG can be interpreted differently by different software, so opening it in GIMP might look different than another program perhaps. Once an image is saved as JPG there's no way to get the original image back from that JPG file. - when GIMP then saves the same image as a new JPG at 100% quality (I would have thought that this meant not losing any more information), that the second JPG would be compressed/created in much the same way as the first and therefore would be about the same size . . 100% quality does not mean no loss of info, just means that it's as close to the original as JPG is capable of getting. It's still not going to be identical to the original. Good to know that this happens anyhow . . of course I have no control over the file format that the camera uses and cropping a camera image and actually getting a result that is 2.5 times the size of the original is a bit annoying . . That's why the expensive/professeional cameras output in raw format, so the photographer can have total control. :) FWIW, if you have a Canon you very well might be able to install CHDK and get raw images, that's what I've done with my SD550 and SD1000. Depending on your purpose for the final JPG file, there are other ways to make the file smaller. Saving as progressive vs baseline usually makes a small difference in size. You can use the program jpegoptim to optimize (losslessly) and reduce filesize, and you can strip out EXIF/thumbnail/etc header info to make the file smaller without affecting the actual image data either (assuming you're not using the EXIF for rotation/etc in whatever program you're displaying the image in). For best quality/size trade-off when you save your JPG in GIMP I would use the show preview in window (something like that) option which will show the resulting compressed JPEG in a window. Then you can adjust the quality and other settings and see how it looks. I usually adjust it as low as I can until the image appears to degrade, then I bump it up a notch and choose that. For me, around 75% seems to be a pretty good combination of small file size and good quality. There are also JPEG tools that allow you to losslessly crop/rotate etc your pictures. Check out jpegtran from jpegclub.org or one of these programs which supposedly include the same functionality: http://jpegclub.org/losslessapps.html ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] JPG file size increases with saving
On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 5:54 PM, David Hodson hods...@ozemail.com.au wrote: On Fri, 2010-01-15 at 13:32 -0600, Paul Hartman wrote: On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Philip Rhoades p...@pricom.com.au wrote: - when the JPG is uncompressed by GIMP into RAM, there is no loss of information (?) Since JPG is not lossless, there is always a loss of information. Or more specifically the same JPG can be interpreted differently by different software, so opening it in GIMP might look different than another program perhaps. I'm fairly sure this is not true - there is only one way to uncompress a JPG file, so all programs should create the same uncompressed version. From an old JPEG FAQ: Another important aspect of JPEG is that decoders can trade off decoding speed against image quality, by using fast but inaccurate approximations to the required calculations. Some viewers obtain remarkable speedups in this way. (Encoders can also trade accuracy for speed, but there's usually less reason to make such a sacrifice when writing a file.) Also, of course, things like color management and other kinds of post-processing can cause differences when the same file is opened in different programs. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] best monitor
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 11:38 AM, Volker Lenhardt volker.lenha...@uni-due.de wrote: Paul Hartman schrieb: On the other hand I have had great experience with Dell Ultrasharp series, which usually have IPS or PVA panels, I think. I would recommend them as a combination of price and performance. They've usually got good on-screen menus and various ports and features (rotate to portrait orientation, etc). I personally have two Dell Ultrasharp 2007FP's (1600x1200, 100 DPI) one with IPS panel and one with PVA panel, and the PVA version actually looks better. The IPS version has bad color banding problems on gradients. Both have great viewing angles and colors don't shift at all when you move around. Black levels are good, too. I agree. It seems you can't get a monitor for $300 that is good enough for graphical work. I've been looking for one for some time and have found one of the Dell Ultrasharp series with S-PVA panel that has reasonable performance for a reasonable price: Dell 2408WFP. But I had to lay 500 EUR on the desk. Meanwhile I've got to learn that you can't have it cheaper. Have a look at Prad: http://www.prad.de/en/index.html. I was encouraged by our University's Media Department that had bought a few of these monitors for graphical work. Sure they would had loved to choose from the top league, but they have to pinch and scrape in the same way as people like you and me do. The Dell 2408WFP seems to be a good compromise. Eizo is a good name, too, but slightly higher in price yet. Good luck Gracia Volker I'm replying this to the list since Volker's email appears to have been sent only to me! :) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] best monitor
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 1:07 PM, GSR - FR fam...@infernal-iceberg.com wrote: Hi, gra...@yadtel.net (2009-11-12 at 1329.34 -0500): recomendation?? I've been looking online at ViewSonic X Series VX2433wm Black 23.6 2ms(GTG); 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor - Maximum Resolution: 1920 x 1080 If you want to have good colours, avoid TN panels, they are normally 6 bit per colour, not 8, and colour changes with angle in noticeable ways (we are talking about image retouch, right?). You can see what I mean in http://www.digitalversus.com/duels.php?ty=6 (select view angles from selector) and the panel type (TN, IPS, PVA, etc) can be looked up in http://www.flatpanelshd.com/panels.php. I agree, I recently bought a high-resolution TN screen and it is horrible (Dell SP2309W, 2048x1152, 100 DPI). The viewing angles are terrible, especially up and down. There is no position in which you can sit where the entire screen shows consistent color. The black level and backlight bleed is really bad, and it has a glossy screen which means I see myself in the reflect and the overhead lights glare off of it. That must be why it is so cheap (around $300 USD). It's okay for games or movies (with the lights out) but for photo work or anything where accurate colors matter, it is really annoying and I don't recommend it. On the other hand I have had great experience with Dell Ultrasharp series, which usually have IPS or PVA panels, I think. I would recommend them as a combination of price and performance. They've usually got good on-screen menus and various ports and features (rotate to portrait orientation, etc). I personally have two Dell Ultrasharp 2007FP's (1600x1200, 100 DPI) one with IPS panel and one with PVA panel, and the PVA version actually looks better. The IPS version has bad color banding problems on gradients. Both have great viewing angles and colors don't shift at all when you move around. Black levels are good, too. Or if you've got a lot of money to spend you can drop $2000 or so on a HP DreamColor :) Also I wouldn't put too much stock into the millisecond ratings. I've played the same game in a supposedly 20ms and 2ms screens and can't tell any difference at all. I think it's a bit of marketing (like selling 240Hz TV's to watch a 24fps movie...). And for Gimp work it is especially meaningless. Actually the screen I have used with really low ms rating has this weird sparkling effect in the pixels that i think must be some kind of hardware compensation to try to improve the framerate. (I'm guessing...) Here's another site with monitor panel info in a nice table: http://lcdtech.no-ip.info/en/data/lcd.panels.in.monitors.htm ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] Banding in gradient creation
On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 5:16 PM, bob for...@gimpusers.com wrote: Hi guys. I often get bands when I create gradients. I'd like to know how this happends and how I can reduce or get rid of these artifacts entirely. Are you sure it's not your monitor? I have a Dell LCD monitor that has this problem really badly... but on a different model it looks fine, no banding. ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] OFF THE DAMN MAILING LIST
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Re: [Gimp-user] hi
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Martin Nordholts ense...@gmail.com wrote: On 09/30/2009 11:04 PM, TREY Mcatt wrote: I would like to stop receiveing the gimp e-mail's. Thanks Then why don't you unsubscribe? Link can be found at the bottom of the mails And in the headers of every message, and in the e-mail he received when joining the list... :) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] hi
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Greg Chapman gregtu...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Hi Martin, On 30 Sep 09 22:10 Martin Nordholts ense...@gmail.com said: Then why don't you unsubscribe? Link can be found at the bottom of the mails Maybe because TREY does not see the link. When I opened TREY's mail there was no footer visible, but the message was marked as having an attachment. Turns out there were two. When I opened the first of these (text/html) it echoed exactly the plain text version I was seeing - no footer. Finally I opened the other (text/plain) and the footer was revealed. In my plain text mailer I have to go to a lot of hassle to read such attachments. I suffered the same issues with Paul Hartman's response in this thread. I apologize, I accidentally sent a multipart text/HTML message. I normally operate in plain text mode and must have switched and forgotten to change it back. Sorry! Normally the footer should be visible. Martin uses a signature, maybe the fact that the footer is beneath the signature delimiter caused it to be hidden for you in that case... just guessing. :) Paul ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
Re: [Gimp-user] drop out background tutorial
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Bob Meetin b...@dottedi.biz wrote: Subject says it all. I have a large assortment of product pictures which I need to give uniform backgrounds, preferably white. Can someone point me to a tutorial that discusses how? You can see a representative sample image at: http://www.dottedi.biz/images/diagnostics/DSC_4355.JPG. They can probably live with the shadows if I can lose the bulk of the background. The documentation :) http://docs.gimp.org/en/gimp-tool-foreground-select.html (not sure which version of Gimp it was written for or which version you're using) ___ Gimp-user mailing list Gimp-user@lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU https://lists.XCF.Berkeley.EDU/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user
