[Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
Hi State of mind ... I am willing to change things if it is an improvement but if the change causes a regression, I do not see the point unless I was masochistic. For people to understand: I spent a lot of time experimenting on my Linux system new programs, new functions, with bugs. It was for a noble cause, to move forward, to try to advance. To return to Gimp, new features save and export interfere with work and must return to standard Gimp-2.6 and all other publishers. Developers gentlemen, thank you for listening to the users who actually use Gimp to work. Listen to their needs. Practice, there is all that counts and not the theoretical ideas completely divorced from reality. Regards -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: Developers gentlemen, thank you for listening to the users who actually use Gimp to work. Listen to their needs. Practice, there is all that counts and not the theoretical ideas completely divorced from reality. We got a lot of negative feedback, unfortunately most of it was incoherent write-only-rambling, which makes it hard to listen to. If you're masochistic, go to the gimp-devel archives and read the threads on that topic. We also got a lot of positive feedback on the change. It seems we're not really completely divorced from reality with the change. For now we're sticking to the new behaviour. Sorry if you don't like that. Bye, Simon -- si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] Gimp 2.8
I have downloaded Gimp 2.8, But when i try to open it, Gimp stops loading at about 85%, then a message box pops up. GNU MANIPULATION PROGRAM in the box it sates, GNU manipulation program has stopped working close the program and Windows will look for problem. Can anyone help?. What is the problem and how do i get to use Gimp 2.8.. Uglyjon -- Uglyjon (via gimpusers.com) ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On 09/10/2012 06:19 PM, Simon Budig wrote: maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: Developers gentlemen, thank you for listening to the users who actually use Gimp to work. Listen to their needs. Practice, there is all that counts and not the theoretical ideas completely divorced from reality. Hi We got a lot of negative feedback, unfortunately most of it was incoherent write-only-rambling, which makes it hard to listen to. If you're masochistic, go to the gimp-devel archives and read the threads on that topic. We also got a lot of positive feedback on the change. It seems we're not really completely divorced from reality with the change. For now we're sticking to the new behaviour. Sorry if you don't like that. Because you're not dealing with reality. This is the problem of amateurs who create software professional vocation. I know it's hard to admit, but it is a fact... Regards -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: Because you're not dealing with reality. This is the problem of amateurs who create software professional vocation. See? This is what I was referring to. Bye, Simon -- si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 8:27 PM, maderios wrote: On 09/10/2012 06:19 PM, Simon Budig wrote: We got a lot of negative feedback, unfortunately most of it was incoherent write-only-rambling, which makes it hard to listen to. If you're masochistic, go to the gimp-devel archives and read the threads on that topic. We also got a lot of positive feedback on the change. It seems we're not really completely divorced from reality with the change. For now we're sticking to the new behaviour. Sorry if you don't like that. Because you're not dealing with reality. https://plus.google.com/u/0/116634837115748851709/posts/cxRFFUeYmpv Just another example of the reality we are not dealing with. You need to read beyond first two comments to understand the sarcasm. I could list more positive replies. In fact, I probably will. This is the problem of amateurs who create software professional vocation. I know it's hard to admit, but it is a fact... http://mmiworks.net/aboutus/ Yes, I do genuinely believe you are going to have a hard time to admit things ;-) Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On 09/10/2012 06:32 PM, Simon Budig wrote: maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: Because you're not dealing with reality. This is the problem of amateurs who create software professional vocation. See? This is what I was referring to. Historically, tools and software are improved by professionals, amateurs benefit. Doing the opposite is a mistake. Look at what happens in the image world industry. Regards -- Maderios ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
Just because the English doesn't meet your standards doesn't mean the viewpoint is invalid. And maybe your refusal to see the thought in the message is the root of the discord. On 9/10/2012 9:32 AM, Simon Budig wrote: maderios (mader...@gmail.com) wrote: Because you're not dealing with reality. This is the problem of amateurs who create software professional vocation. See? This is what I was referring to. Bye, Simon ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] Latest update on Debian Sid
Debian updated GIMP this morning (2.8.2) and I notice that after cropping an image, the crop lines remain on the picture. Is this a bug or a feature ? ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
Ken Warner (kwarner...@verizon.net) wrote: And your insistence that your design decisions are right even while the user community tells you otherwise is strictly amateur. See, here you're disregarding my assertion that we got a lot of positive feedback, Alexandre even pointed to a small part of it for e.g. you to read up on it. The picture just is not as clear-cut as you seem to believe. We had a workflow in Gimp that actually caused people to lose their work. We fixed it. There is no way we're going to reintroduce it, just due to some people reacting negatively to the change, while simultaneously questioning our common sense. Bye, Simon -- si...@budig.de http://simon.budig.de/ ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Ken Warner kwarner...@verizon.net wrote: You know, like Forest Gump says [paraphrased] Amateur is as amateur does. And your insistence that your design decisions are right even while the user community tells you otherwise is strictly amateur. And your insistence that any individual's personal opinions reflect what the community feels is also amateur. From the feedback I have read both here, in reviews and on a number of forums, it appears that the community is divided on this issue, with a range of opinion that varies from The new behavior sucks, gimp devs are all idiots, and I'll never us gimp again. to Thanks - this makes sense, supports my work-flows, and was a good direction to have taken. The vocal minority is the one that is voicing displeasure at the change (which is typical human nature) , imoo. -Rob A ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Bruno wrote: I wonder, who gave you credentials to speak in the name of the community? Bruno, We are dealing with the it stands to reason kind of logic. It isn't possible to argue against it. You can laugh at it, or you can ignore it. That's pretty much all you can really do. Alexandre Prokoudine http://libregraphicsworld.org ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:15:08 +0400, Alexandre Prokoudine wrote: On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 9:08 PM, Bruno wrote: I wonder, who gave you credentials to speak in the name of the community? Bruno, We are dealing with the it stands to reason kind of logic. It isn't possible to argue against it. You can laugh at it, or you can ignore it. That's pretty much all you can really do. Agreed, Alexandre. Just that trying to pass one's own judgement as a community's judgement is a really ugly thing, that needs to be denounced. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] Latest update on Debian Sid
On Mon, 2012-09-10 at 12:57 -0400, Frank McCormick wrote: Debian updated GIMP this morning (2.8.2) and I notice that after cropping an image, the crop lines remain on the picture. Is this a bug or a feature ? Do you mean the rectangle select lines after you say crop to selection? If you mean that, then it's a bug, and it's fixed in git, will be in 2.8.4. --mitch ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
[Gimp-user] Gimp gets to cache then crashes
I'm using a Windows 7 hp pavillon dv6-6c35dx 64bit laptop and every time I try to open Gimp it crashes and states the following. Problem signature: Problem Event Name: APPCRASH Application Name: gimp-2.8.exe Application Version:2.8.0.0 Application Timestamp: 4fa52a0b Fault Module Name: libgobject-2.0-0.dll Fault Module Version: 2.30.2.0 Fault Module Timestamp: 4f2c917c Exception Code: c005 Exception Offset: 000246a9 OS Version: 6.1.7601.2.1.0.768.3 Locale ID: 1033 Additional Information 1: 0e87 Additional Information 2: 0e8736a0f1bcdee5c1b192bc34b160b7 Additional Information 3: 75ec Additional Information 4: 75eca4e4b1b766eeaa60e261f33c9467 ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
Re: [Gimp-user] About bad new save export function in Gimp-2.8
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:10 AM, Alexandre Prokoudine alexandre.prokoud...@gmail.com wrote: We just did something some people don't like. Therefore for them the rest doesn't matter and probably doesn't even exist. Hence all the talks about reaility. 'Probably doesn't even exist' is probably the quote of the year on this topic. ___ gimp-user-list mailing list gimp-user-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gimp-user-list
