Re: NetScape font stupidity
On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Michael O'Donnell wrote: What is NetScape's !@#%%!! problem that it so frequently chooses to render WWW pages using the most uselessly teensy one-pixel-per-character fonts it can find? I've diddled the font settings under Preferences and I've diddled the character set stuff under View but it seems clear that the real problem lies elsewhere... While Netscape/X font standard font support is abysmal, they're not entirely to blame. 1) Netscape sucks. It won't let up increase/decrease the font size of a page on the fly. 2) Netscape/X don't have truetype font support out of the box (XFree86 4.x has a truetype module, and xfs (font server shipped w/RH) also has TT support). Truetyp fonts are far more legible, even when they've been sized down 3) Web designers STILL insist on telling you what size the text should be, because they couldn't be bothered designing their pages for resizable text. Setting an absolute font size on a web page is like a well done steak -- sure, you can do it, but it's just horribly *wrong*. (bloody as hell please) Internet Explorer has an option to resize fonts on the fly, but if they're absolutely set (ie. with a specific point/pixel size) it doesn't work. Mozilla/Netscape 6 do it properly, In mozilla you can use CTRL-J/K to decrease/increase the font size on the page, even if it has a brain dead designer (like http://www.arstechnica.com/). The latest nightly builds of Mozilla have been rather stable for me (read as: crashing only once a day). Might want to give them a shot along with some truetype fonts. -- Niall Kavanagh, [EMAIL PROTECTED] News, articles, and resources for web professionals and developers: http://www.kst.com WARNING: I have switched from cigarettes to nicorette. I am cranky. ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: RH7 Update
On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Benjamin Scott wrote: On Sun, 1 Oct 2000, Niall Kavanagh wrote: ATA/66 is pretty common, so I would expect drivers on the base install. A neophyte may well have been stumped here and given up. Windows 98/2000 has no problems with this setup, it's a shame RH 7.0 does. I suspect this is not a Red Hat issue, but rather, a Linux one. 'tis indeed. ;) I've had this problem with every distro. Suse is the exception. ATA/66 may be common, but the host controller interface is not quite so ... On the other hand, if/when Open Source drivers for your particular ATA/66 controller chipset are incorporated into the standard kernel, then you can expect Linux to install as smoothly as silk on a baby's bottom. Hardware support under Linux tends to be a rather all-or-nothing proposition. :) There's support in the 2.3 kernels and 2.4-test (which I'm now running). I'm not sure what Suse did, but I'm assuming they backported the drivers for their distro. Not a great idea since they're still "beta". I guess those wacky Eurofolk don't mind beta software on production machines (hey, they shipped Reiser as well right? ducking). For the record, I am a Eurofolk, and so I'm allowed to make fun of us. - XFree86 4.0! Any comments on this? Performance and stability in particular? Grrreat. I was running it with 6.2 w/o any major problems. Performance is noticably smoother. I'm a TNT2 owner, so I grabbed the kernel driver from NVidia's site and I'm using that. Other than some head slapping moments getting GL stuff running smoothly it's been great. I had a problem with a bad font that was causing xfs to bomb out, which RH uses by default, so when X started up it didn't have any fonts and crashed right away. Removed the bad font (a truetype font that I copied over) and everything is fine. Install completed, reboot, no lilo. How far does it get? It didn't. ;) It was the old 1024 cylinder limit with lilo. Removed "linear" and added "lba32" to lilo.conf, reran it, and everything is kosher once again. Lilo now has a nasty looking graphical screen. I like tux and all, but rendered at what looks like 320x200 he doesn't look to hot. Needs some exercise or something. Realize I'm a moron because I didn't make a boot disk during the install. Heh heh. Been there. Done that. Several times. Haven't learned yet. :-) You can (or at least, used to be able to -- I haven't tried under 7.0) boot the install set and get a bash prompt, and then finagle around until you generate a working boot floppy. Usually this involves mounting the installed but unbootable filesystems, and then some combination of chroot, mkinitrd, mkbootdisk, and lilo, not necessarily in that order. Whether this is easier then just reinstalling everything is left as an exercise to the reader. :-) I've done that before. Maybe I didn't tinker enough, but I didn't get a prompt when I flicked around, just the stderr of anaconda and other diagnostic info. Not a big deal, second time around I created a boot disk. Even idiots like me can learn from their mistakes. WARNING: I have switched from cigarettes to nicorette. I am cranky. Heh heh. First time I've ever seen a *person* with a Surgeon General's Warning. ;-) Good luck trying to kick the habit. Thanks, not doing too well as some of my co-workers will attest to! (Kenny, can I bum a smoke?) ;) -- Niall Kavanagh, [EMAIL PROTECTED] News, articles, and resources for web professionals and developers: http://www.kst.com WARNING: I have switched from cigarettes to nicorette. I am cranky. ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: NetScape font stupidity
Today, Michael O'Donnell gleaned this insight: What is NetScape's !@#%%!! problem that it so frequently chooses to render WWW pages using the most uselessly teensy one-pixel-per-character fonts it can find? I've diddled the font settings under Preferences and I've diddled the character set stuff under View but it seems clear that the real problem lies elsewhere... The problem is the people who design web pages, with no eye at all to portability. They only view the page under Windows at 1024x768 in MSIE and assume it looks good for everyone else. They're invariably wrong, as you have seen. -- You know that everytime I try to go where I really want to be, It's already where I am, cuz I'm already there... --- Derek D. Martin | Unix/Linux Geek [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: NetScape font stupidity
Today, Kenneth E. Lussier gleaned this insight: Try setting Navigator to use your fonts and to disregard "site-specified" fonts. Also, disable dynamic fonts. This doesn't work for certain pages... I'm not sure which but if the author specifies either relative font sizes, or absolute font sizes, one of the two will be displayed "as intended" -- IOW ignoring your font settings. Most annoying. The best solution I've found for this so far is to cop out and use Windows TTF fonts with RedHat's TTF-capable font server (the default server is TTF-capable, that is; IOW it is not the standard X font server). Not an optimal solution (because of the dependency on infernal Microsoft), but it works well and pages render quite legibly. Unfortunately, for some reason, despite the fact that I did NOT install the X standard font server when I upgraded to XF 4.0.1, I can't seem to display TTF fonts anymore. It worked the first time I did the upgrade (I think), but I broke something else (out of stupidity) so I removed X and overlaid the carefully preserved tarball of my original XF 3.3.6 install, and then re-ran the upgrade, it stopped working, to my confoundedness. I gave up trying to figure it out for about a half-hour (which is very unlike me, but I've been really busy lately), so I'm without TTF fonts still. :( For those willing to taint their Linux installation, links to setting up TTF on Linux are here: http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html As I recall, the info here is quite good, though some of the info is outdated or a little inaccurate, in that it was written when RedHat's default xfs did not have TTF support built in to it (around RH 5.x). It does now so you don't need to go get font servers or re-compile anything. You just need to put the fonts somewhere where the font server can find them, create the necessary font indexes (or whatever they are) with the utilities described, and edit your xfs config file. Also IIRC, RH 6.2 doesn't ship with one of the utilities you need (can't remember which one). You should be able to grab it from the RH6.1 RPM if you can figure out how to do that without mucking up your system, or copy it from a friend... But I might just be hallucinating that last part. -- You know that everytime I try to go where I really want to be, It's already where I am, cuz I'm already there... --- Derek D. Martin | Unix/Linux Geek [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: NetScape font stupidity
Have you set up xfstt to serve up TrueType fonts? I found this helps the readability of many (MS-centric) sites with tiny unreadable fonts (though if it truly is 1 pixel-per-character, I doubt much will help...) Karl Runge On Mon, 02 Oct 2000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael O'Donnell) wrote: What is NetScape's !@#%%!! problem that it so frequently chooses to render WWW pages using the most uselessly teensy one-pixel-per-character fonts it can find? I've diddled the font settings under Preferences and I've diddled the character set stuff under View but it seems clear that the real problem lies elsewhere... ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Ok, where are they?
Today, Paul Lussier gleaned this insight: In a message dated: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 16:14:12 EDT Paul Lussier said: Hi all, I know this has been asked a dozen times or so, but where is that web site with all the different images of Tux? Thanks Jerry! So WHAT WAS THE ANSWER?!??!? -- You know that everytime I try to go where I really want to be, It's already where I am, cuz I'm already there... --- Derek D. Martin | Unix/Linux Geek [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Ok, where are they?
Ohhh Derek, If you must know. You can find the gallery of logos at: http://www.lwn.net Jerry (Mr. Answerman to you). Today, Paul Lussier gleaned this insight: In a message dated: Mon, 02 Oct 2000 16:14:12 EDT Paul Lussier said: Hi all, I know this has been asked a dozen times or so, but where is that web site with all the different images of Tux? Thanks Jerry! So WHAT WAS THE ANSWER?!??!? -- You know that everytime I try to go where I really want to be, It's already where I am, cuz I'm already there... --- Derek D. Martin | Unix/Linux Geek [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** - Jerry Kubeck Customer Support Appropriate Solutions, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AppropriateSolutions.com ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Emacs,, ange-ftp, and ssh?
Hi, Anyone found a way to use ange-ftp with ssh/scp or with Secure FTP? I instaled Secure FTP, but Emacs doesn't like it. The cmd line args are similar to scp rather than ftp. Thanks, -- Seeya, Paul I'm in shape, my shape just happens to be pear! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: OpenSSH 2.2 RPMS?
On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Paul Lussier wrote: Hi, Anyone know where to get the 2.2 rpms of OpenSSH? The website (www.openssh.com) seems to imply this was an "OpenBSD" release, and they haven't yet been ported to Linux. However, my Debian system is running 2.2 now, so someone obviously compiled a .dep package. I can't seem to find an rpm though. I found them: ftp://ftp.de.openbsd.org/unix/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/portable/rpm/ Thanks to those who responded privately about just compiling from source. -- Seeya, Paul I'm in shape, my shape just happens to be pear! If you're not having fun, you're not doing it right! ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: OpenSSH 2.2 RPMS?
Good morning, Paul, On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Paul Lussier wrote: Anyone know where to get the 2.2 rpms of OpenSSH? The website (www.openssh.com) seems to imply this was an "OpenBSD" release, and they haven't yet been ported to Linux. However, my Debian system is running 2.2 now, so someone obviously compiled a .dep package. I can't seem to find an rpm though. If you're using RedHat6.x, RedHat has made rpms available at ftp.redhat.de. RedHat 7.0 includes OpenSSH as part of the stock distribution. Conectiva 5.1 also includes openssh. Caldera 2.4, Mandrake 7.1, Suse 6.4 and Immunix 6.2 do not include ssh or openssh. ftp.zedz.net (a now-renamed ftp.replay.com) has generic rpms that should hopefully work with most rpm-based systems if yours isn't listed above. Also, the "Linux" link off the openssh.com web site has pointers to mirror sites with rpms. Keep in mind that whenever installing openssh, you also need to install the openssl package. I have two articles on compiling and using ssh at http://www.linuxmonth.com for those that are interested in learning more about this tool. Hope that helps... Cheers, - Bill --- Windows 2000 installed without a hitch, but the process takes so long that InfoWorld Senior Analyst Maggie Biggs and I are debating over the best 10 things you can do while you wait. One of her thoughts is to run a marathon. And not finish first. I'll have to fall back on one of my favorites: spit shining the Empire State Building. - Courtesy of Nicholas Petreley, Infoworld -- William Stearns ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Mason, Buildkernel, named2hosts, and ipfwadm2ipchains are at:http://www.pobox.com/~wstearns LinuxMonth; articles for Linux Enthusiasts! http://www.linuxmonth.com -- ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Emacs,, ange-ftp, and ssh?
On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Paul Lussier wrote: Anyone found a way to use ange-ftp with ssh/scp or with Secure FTP? Can't you just tunnel FTP over SSH? *handwave* -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Net Technologies, Inc. http://www.ntisys.com Voice: (800)905-3049 x18 Fax: (978)499-7839 ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: NetScape font stupidity
On Mon, 2 Oct 2000, Michael O'Donnell wrote: What is NetScape's !@#%%!! problem that it so frequently chooses to render WWW pages using the most uselessly teensy one-pixel-per-character fonts it can find? I've diddled the font settings under Preferences and I've diddled the character set stuff under View but it seems clear that the real problem lies elsewhere... A big part of this is the default XFree86 font configuration; I think it's missing a bunch of fonts. I found a fix for this in "Grokking the GIMP", which involved downloading "freefonts.tar.gz" and fixing XF86Config to use these. It was also important to remove a couple of the existing font references, and to arrange them in the right order. I looked up the author's (Carey Bunks) web site, and found the info: http://gimp-savvy.com The fonts can be found at ftp://ftp.gimp.org/pub/gimp/fonts/ There are two packages: freefonts and sharefonts. freefonts is a set of free fonts, and sharefonts is a set of shareware fonts. Assuming you untarred them into /usr/local/fonts/freefonts, you can then load them into the current X session with the commands xset fp+ /usr/local/fonts/freefonts ; xset fp rehash After that, quit out of netscape and restart it, then play with the font preferences again. -- John Abreau / Executive Director, Boston Linux Unix ICQ#28611923 / AIM abreauj / Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Emacs,, ange-ftp, and ssh?
On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Benjamin Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Paul Lussier wrote: Anyone found a way to use ange-ftp with ssh/scp or with Secure FTP? Can't you just tunnel FTP over SSH? *handwave* How do you handle the data port (i.e. 20) auxiliary connection(s)? With either PASV or not, still seems there is a random-unknown port number that has to be redired/tunnelled... I just use class ssh 1.x, and so I don't know whether whether the other ssh implementations have made ftp forwarding easy. If anyone knows how the rig the port forwarding for the 2ndary connection in ftp with ssh please let us know! Karl Runge ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Hoss Traders Ham Fest this weekend
Hi,
I mentioned this at the last meeting in Nashua. The Ham Fest is this weekend,
starting Friday morning at 0900 and lasting until Saturday at dusk.
For those of you who are not familiar with this, it is a large group of Radio
Amateurs who get together to swap problems, stories and old gear. More and more
of this old gear is computers, and a fair number of Ham Radio operators ("hams"
for short) are using Linux.
For the past three years we have been going to this event, and for the past
two years I have been buying space inside one of the main buildings for our
group to show off Linux.
This year I have (once again) bought the space, and it should be in the same
building, the same spot as last year. It is covered, and the building is locked
at nigbt with no one in it. There is electricity (although you should bring
a UPS, extention cords, etc.) and we have a fairly good time both telling people
about Linux and looking for bargains.
Unfortunately I will not be able to be there this year. I had a previous (and
larger) engagement that takes me out of the country, and I will not be back
until Sunday. Therefore I will have to rely on you folks to staff this area,
if you so choose.
The cost to get in is (I believe) $10. Even exhibitors have to pay to get in.
You can find out more about times, etc. at http://www.qsl.net/k1rqg/
So I leave it up to you. I am going to leave on an airplane in about 10 minutes
so don't write asking me questions. It is all up to you.
If no one wants to do this, I will understand. On the other hand, several of
you have indicated in the past that you liked doing it, and would not mind
doing it again.
Good luck.
md
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Looking for a good system case
I'm in the market for new Linux box (I've pretty much decided it'll be based on an AsusA7V+850MhzTbird+256Mb - drool!) I'd really like a good enclosure with lots of room, providing excellent access to all components, optimal airflow, intelligent drive-bay placement, not too ugly and oh, yeah - reasonably priced. Suggestions? ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
X Windows emulator for windows with ssh support
Hi all, A classmate has asked me if I know of an X windows emulator for windows with ssh support. She needs to be able to get her windows box to allow a program running on a remote linux box use her display. However, the linux box in question only allows for ssh connections (are we impressed? A university computer that's actually trying to be secure? :). I have not played with any of the x emulators out there, so I know nothing about their capabilities. Does anyone know of a (free or really cheap) x emulator for windows she can download which will accept an ssh connection to her windows display? Note: I'm having a hell of a time trying to find the right words, so bear with me if I didn't manange to use the correct termonology. :) She said that she tried to use Xwin32, but that the only options it gave were rsh-like things. Nothing secure. Let me know. I'll pass any info along to her. Thanks, Suzanne -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pubpages.unh.edu/~shillman ResNet Area Three Leader http://www.unh.edu/resnet If you want a kitten, start out by asking for a horse. -Naomi, 15 ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Looking for a good system case
On Tue, Oct 03, 2000 at 02:25:17PM -0400, Michael O'Donnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm in the market for new Linux box (I've pretty much decided it'll be based on an AsusA7V+850MhzTbird+256Mb - drool!) I'd really like a good enclosure with lots of room, providing excellent access to all components, optimal airflow, intelligent drive-bay placement, not too ugly and oh, yeah - reasonably priced. Suggestions? I recommend you check out the reviews at Ars Technica (http://www.arstechnica.com/) and then balance you need for features with your budget. I found Ars to be a good source for info on quality cases. -- Bob Bell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - "World domination, of course. And scantily clad females. Who cares if it's twenty below?" -- Linus Torvalds, creator of the Linux operating system ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Looking for a good system case
On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Michael O'Donnell wrote: I'm in the market for new Linux box (I've pretty much decided it'll be based on an AsusA7V+850MhzTbird+256Mb - drool!) Drool is right... M... Thunderbird. I'd really like a good enclosure ... I own an HX-08 full tower chasis from A/Open, which I've been very happy with. In general, their products are solid. http://english.aopen.com/products/library.htm#housing http://english.aopen.com/products/housing/hx08.htm Maximum PC gave this one very good marks, and I do like the look and specs, but I haven't tried it myself, although I've strongly considered it: ASL Full Tower PC Case 4 x 5.25-inch bays 2 x 3.5-inch bays 4 x 3.5-inch internal bays 2 x 120mm fans, 1 x 90mm fan, plus PSU fan $205 with PSU, $154 without PSU http://www.aslab.com/contents/workstations/chassis.html http://www.aslab.com/contents/images/ft_inside.jpg PC Power Cooling makes great stuff, but is a little expensive: http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/enclosures/index.htm Lastly, I've seen some really nice desktop cases from CasEdge. The one I like is the LX734A. They also have a nice looking server case that I haven't tried. http://www.casedge.com http://www4.xenus.com/casedge/html/mid-tower_lx734a.html -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Net Technologies, Inc. http://www.ntisys.com Voice: (800)905-3049 x18 Fax: (978)499-7839 ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Looking for a good system case
At 02:25 PM 10/3/2000 -0400, Michael O'Donnell wrote: i'll tell ya - i love this site! http://www.2cooltek.com/ they have a lot of nifty case mods...worth a look ~kurth I'm in the market for new Linux box (I've pretty much decided it'll be based on an AsusA7V+850MhzTbird+256Mb - drool!) I'd really like a good enclosure with lots of room, providing excellent access to all components, optimal airflow, intelligent drive-bay placement, not too ugly and oh, yeah - reasonably priced. Suggestions? ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** Kurth Bemis - Network/Systems Administrator, USAExpress.net/Ozone Computer [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.usaexpress.net/kurth ICQ - 6624050 Call Sign - N1TYW PGP key available - http://www.usaexpress.net/kurth/pgp Fight Weak Encryption! Donate your wasted CPU cycles to Distributed.net (http://www.distributed.net) ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: X Windows emulator for windows with ssh support
On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Suzanne Hillman wrote: A classmate has asked me if I know of an X windows emulator for windows with ssh support. I think you'll generally have to look for two different pieces, an X server and an SSH client. A really good X server for MS Windows I've never seen. My recommendation is actually to use VNC if possible, as the Windows VNC software is pretty good. As far as the SSH client goes, I recommend SecureCRT from Van Dyke Software (http://www.vandyke.com). However, the linux box in question only allows for ssh connections (are we impressed? A university computer that's actually trying to be secure? :). I didn't think that was possible. :-) Does anyone know of a (free or really cheap) x emulator for windows she can download which will accept an ssh connection to her windows display? Sorry. If you want "free or really cheap", you shouldn't be running Windoze. :-) Note: I'm having a hell of a time trying to find the right words, so bear with me if I didn't manange to use the correct termonology. :) You actually did pretty good. She said that she tried to use Xwin32, but that the only options it gave were rsh-like things. Nothing secure. Combine Xwin32 with SecureCRT (or another SSH client) to get what you want. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Net Technologies, Inc. http://www.ntisys.com Voice: (800)905-3049 x18 Fax: (978)499-7839 ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Hoss Traders Ham Fest this weekend
Ben, I have all GNHLUG merchandise. I am not sure I can connect with you (though you should know how much I would like to recover some costs) to transfer items for sale. And I don't think I am available this weekend to join whomever does the show. Jerry On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Jon 'maddog' Hall, Executive Director, Linux International wrote: This year I have (once again) bought the space ... So I leave it up to you. I am going to leave on an airplane in about 10 minutes so don't write asking me questions. It is all up to you. Well, maddog has given us a challenge. I don't want to let him down. :) I can bring extension cords, power strips, a big UPS, portable lighting and sound, a PC with peripherals... ummm... a small Ethernet hub if we want... that's about it. In other words, I got the basics tech side covered, but not the marketing side. Anyone else want to help? y. A couple more people to bring PCs (maybe even a laptop?) so my box isn't the only one? If you've got lots of neat apps or flashy desktop applets, so much the better. Who can provide signage, banners, posters, flyers, info disks, info sheets, etc., etc.? Who has GNHLUG CDs, shirts, mugs, etc., to sell? -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Net Technologies, Inc. http://www.ntisys.com Voice: (800)905-3049 x18 Fax: (978)499-7839 ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** - Jerry Kubeck Customer Support Appropriate Solutions, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AppropriateSolutions.com ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Hoss Traders Ham Fest this weekend
On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Jerry Kubeck wrote: I have all GNHLUG merchandise. I am not sure I can connect with you (though you should know how much I would like to recover some costs) to transfer items for sale. I thought there was a user group meeting this Thursday? If not, perhaps we can find someone to do a relay? And I don't think I am available this weekend to join whomever does the show. Well, if you can get us the stuff, we can take care of hawking it. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Net Technologies, Inc. http://www.ntisys.com Voice: (800)905-3049 x18 Fax: (978)499-7839 ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: X Windows emulator for windows with ssh support
On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Suzanne Hillman wrote: Hi all, A classmate has asked me if I know of an X windows emulator for windows with ssh support. She needs to be able to get her windows box to allow a program running on a remote linux box use her display. However, the linux box in question only allows for ssh connections (are we impressed? A university computer that's actually trying to be secure? :). Don't think there is such an animal, but you can install the two seperately... I have not played with any of the x emulators out there, so I know nothing about their capabilities. Does anyone know of a (free or really cheap) x emulator for windows she can download which will accept an ssh connection to her windows display? From my own experience, they all suck. The one that seemed to suck the least was Reflection X, but it's NOT free. I've only seen one actual free X server for PCs, and it isn't free anymore, and it sucks rather a lot. Sorry if I'm being overly negative today... =8^) -- Derek Martin Senior System Administrator Mission Critical Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Emacs,, ange-ftp, and ssh?
On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Benjamin Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Karl J. Runge wrote: Can't you just tunnel FTP over SSH? *handwave* How do you handle the data port (i.e. 20) auxiliary connection(s)? If you can force your FTP client to use a specific listening port for the data channel, you can do this. Do any of the standard ftp clients let you do this? ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Emacs,, ange-ftp, and ssh?
On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Karl J. Runge wrote: If you can force your FTP client to use a specific listening port for the data channel, you can do this. Do any of the standard ftp clients let you do this? Depends on what "standard" means. For most definitions of "standard", the answer is likely "no". :-) -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Net Technologies, Inc. http://www.ntisys.com Voice: (800)905-3049 x18 Fax: (978)499-7839 ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Hoss Traders Ham Fest this weekend
I too plan to be at Rochester again. I can bring my laptop as well. -- Robert E. Anderson email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Systems Programmer phone: (603) 862-3489 UNH Research Computing Centerfax: (603) 862-1761 -- ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: X Windows emulator for windows with ssh support
I'm pretty sure that you end up needing two separate software products to accomplish the desired result. The SSH software handles communications securely, and the X-windows package handles the display. Working together they provide the ability to throw an X display to a PC through an SSH pipe. I am doing just that (actually, trying to do it, the reliability is below my personal requirements, but I believe that is a configuration problem on the firewall in between my PC and the server I'm trying to access). Products I'm using are: X windows PC server:I have Exceed, from Hummingbird http://www.hummingbird.com/ on both Win98 and Win2k. SSH comms package:I have the F-Secure SSH package from DataFellows (previously F-Secure) http://www.dataFellows.com/ on Win98, Win2K and Linux. On Linux I also have OpenSSH from http://www.openssh.com/. Another resource is http://www.freessh.org/ but I cannot vouch for the quality of content there, and I can't help but be a little skeptical about a site run by "Internet Sabotage" :-) Good luck! --Bruce McCulley Suzanne Hillman wrote: Hi all, A classmate has asked me if I know of an X windows emulator for windows with ssh support. She needs to be able to get her windows box to allow a program running on a remote linux box use her display. However, the linux box in question only allows for ssh connections (are we impressed? A university computer that's actually trying to be secure? :). I have not played with any of the x emulators out there, so I know nothing about their capabilities. Does anyone know of a (free or really cheap) x emulator for windows she can download which will accept an ssh connection to her windows display? Note: I'm having a hell of a time trying to find the right words, so bear with me if I didn't manange to use the correct termonology. :) She said that she tried to use Xwin32, but that the only options it gave were rsh-like things. Nothing secure. Let me know. I'll pass any info along to her. Thanks, Suzanne -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pubpages.unh.edu/~shillman ResNet Area Three Leaderhttp://www.unh.edu/resnet If you want a kitten, start out by asking for a horse. -Naomi, 15 ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: X Windows emulator for windows with ssh support
Since I Just Don't Use Windows, I can't comment on this, but you might give it a try, as the price is right: http://cyberlynk.tucows.com/preview/1124.html On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, mike ledoux wrote: Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:15:31 -0400 (EDT) From: mike ledoux [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Suzanne Hillman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: GNHLUG [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: X Windows emulator for windows with ssh support On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Suzanne Hillman wrote: A classmate has asked me if I know of an X windows emulator for windows with ssh support. She needs to be able to get her windows box to allow a program running on a remote linux box use her display. However, the linux box in question only allows for ssh connections (are we impressed? A university computer that's actually trying to be secure? :). I have not played with any of the x emulators out there, so I know nothing about their capabilities. Does anyone know of a (free or really cheap) x emulator for windows she can download which will accept an ssh connection to her windows display? It is hardly cheap, but I've used a combination of Hummingbird's Exceed (expensive) and PuTTY (free at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/) for this in the past. It does *not* handle tunnelling X through SSH, but I don't think any of the windows products do. Note: I'm having a hell of a time trying to find the right words, so bear with me if I didn't manange to use the correct termonology. :) She said that she tried to use Xwin32, but that the only options it gave were rsh-like things. Nothing secure. Have her pull back PuTTY or a different SSH client, and use that to connect to the linux box. Then start the X server on the windows box, and run 'setenv DISPLAY windowsbox:0' (or equivelent) on the linux box. That should do the trick. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.mclinux.com/ Holder of Past Knowledge Cluster Engineer, O- Put your wasted CPU cycles to use: http://www.distributed.net/ History repeats itself, but each time the price goes up. ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: X Windows emulator for windows with ssh support
On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Benjamin Scott wrote: However, the linux box in question only allows for ssh connections (are we impressed? A university computer that's actually trying to be secure? :). I didn't think that was possible. :-) Heh. They were broken into recently, and someone apparently got sick of that. I'm still shocked... You know, I just realized that I was assuming that the machines in question will require a secure connection from itself to whatever display it's trying to use. I don't actually know that that is how they were set up... Something tells me they weren't. laugh If I'd not been assuming that, I wouldn't have had to ask! :) Oh well. It's all still useful info. Considering that I apparently can't ssh *out* from one of the machines, I'd guess that that's not how they were set up. Although - why the hell would a machine have sshd set up, and *not* have ssh available? Now I'm completely baffled. OK, back to lurkmode. Suzanne -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://pubpages.unh.edu/~shillman ResNet Area Three Leader http://www.unh.edu/resnet Don't be afraid to take a big step if one is indicated; you can't cross a chasm in two small jumps. -William Lloyd George ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
RE: Looking for a good system case
I've built a Thunderbird based system at home but was most unhappy when my really smooth install of RedHat 6.2 completed, rebooted, and hung. :-( It seems that the kernel was trying to disable the PIII serial number (which doesn't exist on the Tbird chip) and it core dumped. This is despite the fact that it correctly recognized that it was an AMD K7 chip! I'm hoping that RH7 does better with this chip... BTW, I got my case at CompUSA and was quite surprised at the quality of their house brand cases! I figured it would be quite a bit cheesier than it turned out to be. It was actually quite well built with rolled edges on the sheet metal (the salesdweeb said they weren't rolled) with easily removed sides and a removable panel that the motherboard mounted on. This made it really easy to install the components into the system without contortions or skinned knuckles. -Original Message- From: Benjamin Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:56 PM To: Greater NH Linux Users' Group Subject: Re: Looking for a good system case On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Michael O'Donnell wrote: I'm in the market for new Linux box (I've pretty much decided it'll be based on an AsusA7V+850MhzTbird+256Mb - drool!) Drool is right... M... Thunderbird. I'd really like a good enclosure ... I own an HX-08 full tower chasis from A/Open, which I've been very happy with. In general, their products are solid. http://english.aopen.com/products/library.htm#housing http://english.aopen.com/products/housing/hx08.htm Maximum PC gave this one very good marks, and I do like the look and specs, but I haven't tried it myself, although I've strongly considered it: ASL Full Tower PC Case 4 x 5.25-inch bays 2 x 3.5-inch bays 4 x 3.5-inch internal bays 2 x 120mm fans, 1 x 90mm fan, plus PSU fan $205 with PSU, $154 without PSU http://www.aslab.com/contents/workstations/chassis.html http://www.aslab.com/contents/images/ft_inside.jpg PC Power Cooling makes great stuff, but is a little expensive: http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/enclosures/index.htm Lastly, I've seen some really nice desktop cases from CasEdge. The one I like is the LX734A. They also have a nice looking server case that I haven't tried. http://www.casedge.com http://www4.xenus.com/casedge/html/mid-tower_lx734a.html -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Net Technologies, Inc. http://www.ntisys.com Voice: (800)905-3049 x18 Fax: (978)499-7839 ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug ** ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Hoss Traders Ham Fest this weekend
I can make it on Sat (commitments Fri night, I'm afraid, although I'll see if I can get out of it). jeff On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Benjamin Scott wrote: Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 15:06:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Benjamin Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Greater NH Linux Users' Group [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hoss Traders Ham Fest this weekend On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Jerry Kubeck wrote: I have all GNHLUG merchandise. I am not sure I can connect with you (though you should know how much I would like to recover some costs) to transfer items for sale. I thought there was a user group meeting this Thursday? If not, perhaps we can find someone to do a relay? And I don't think I am available this weekend to join whomever does the show. Well, if you can get us the stuff, we can take care of hawking it. Jeffry Smith Technical Sales Consultant Mission Critical Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone:603.930.9739 fax:978.446.9470 Thought for today: win big vi. To experience serendipity. "I went shopping and won big; there was a 2-for-1 sale." See big win. ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Looking for a good system case
Hey All... Check out www.colorcases.com they are more like the translucent iMac cases if that's the sort of thing you are looking for. Blair ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Looking for a good system case
Check out www.colorcases.com they are more like the translucent iMac cases if that's the sort of thing you are looking for. Be careful about those plastic cases--with no metal parts, it is very difficult to properly ground your mainboard and components. Static electricity could become a problem very quickly if you aren't careful. I would also check into how well the case blocks the RF noise generated by the PC; a typical metal case blocks a significant amount of this, I doubt the plastic cases can. Yah, earlier I was interested in that translucent case but after checking out a couple of reviews I don't think I'll be expecting to see any "serious" computers using them, primarily for the reasons mentioned above... ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
mailman passwd
Hi, Does anybody know where mailman stores the passwd for a particular mailing list? I should figure out a password that I haven't used for a year, and I can't seem to be able to guess. Thanks, Ferenc ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: OpenSSH 2.2 RPMS?
On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Paul Lussier wrote: Hi, Anyone know where to get the 2.2 rpms of OpenSSH? The website (www.openssh.com) seems to imply this was an "OpenBSD" release, and they haven't yet been ported to Linux. However, my Debian system is running 2.2 now, so someone obviously compiled a .dep package. I can't seem to find an rpm though. Gotta love those debian fanatics... if there's free software released, they'll have a .deb for it SAME DAY. Josh H was just complaining about this because he's looking for a package to maintain, but can't find one! -- Derek Martin Senior System Administrator Mission Critical Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: Emacs,, ange-ftp, and ssh?
On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Karl J. Runge wrote: Can't you just tunnel FTP over SSH? *handwave* How do you handle the data port (i.e. 20) auxiliary connection(s)? If you can force your FTP client to use a specific listening port for the data channel, you can do this. With either PASV or not, still seems there is a random-unknown port number that has to be redired/tunnelled... PASV is much tricker, because the server picks an arbitrary port, which the client must connect to. You could do this by debugging the connection, looking for the server's port, and then setting up a second SSH session to forward that port as well, but that is rather disgusting. -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Net Technologies, Inc. http://www.ntisys.com Voice: (800)905-3049 x18 Fax: (978)499-7839 ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
Re: RH7 Update
On Tue, 3 Oct 2000, Niall Kavanagh wrote: ATA/66 may be common, but the host controller interface is not quite so There's support in the 2.3 kernels and 2.4-test (which I'm now running). I'm not sure what Suse did, but I'm assuming they backported the drivers for their distro. SuSE has a reputation for doing a good job of integrating "pre-production" code into their distribution in a stable fashion. They did this with KDE, XFree, and USB support, to name a few. One of the pluses of that brand, I guess. You can (or at least, used to be able to -- I haven't tried under 7.0) boot the install set and get a bash prompt ... I've done that before. Maybe I didn't tinker enough, but I didn't get a prompt when I flicked around ... Hmmm. Depending on the release of RHL you're using and the phase of the moon, you may need to pass the "rescue" keyword at the boot prompt. Maybe that was what you needed? -- Ben Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Net Technologies, Inc. http://www.ntisys.com Voice: (800)905-3049 x18 Fax: (978)499-7839 ** To unsubscribe from this list, send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text in the *body* (*not* the subject line) of the letter: unsubscribe gnhlug **
