Re: [GNC] Is this a wacky idea

2023-01-30 Thread John Ralls



> On Jan 30, 2023, at 1:21 PM, ed...@billiau.net wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 10:35:44 -0600
> Stephen  wrote:
> 
>> Sorry, I do not know how to reply directly to the gnucash-user mail
>> list when I don't have your posting in my mail to reply list or reply
>> all. A suggestion about how to do that is very welcomed!!
>> 
>> Regards,
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> The email address for the list is there ^^
> It comes on every email from the list.
> 

He posted to the list so that wasn't the problem. I think he means that he gets 
a digest and doesn't know how to reply to a single message so that it will 
thread correctly by msgid.

Regards,
John Ralls
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Re: [GNC] Is this a wacky idea

2023-01-30 Thread edodd
On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 10:35:44 -0600
Stephen  wrote:

> Sorry, I do not know how to reply directly to the gnucash-user mail
> list when I don't have your posting in my mail to reply list or reply
> all. A suggestion about how to do that is very welcomed!!
> 
> Regards,
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The email address for the list is there ^^
It comes on every email from the list.


Liz
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Re: [GNC] Is this a wacky idea

2023-01-30 Thread john
Does the installed package include the C sources for GnuCash and all of its 
dependencies, or at least a text file indicating exactly what releases are used 
for each? Failing that my comments apply to it as well.

If you're looking for reassurance that you found the right repository for 
PortableApps, you did.

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Jan 30, 2023, at 8:35 AM, Stephen  wrote:
> 
> John Ralls (et al),
> Your are absolutely correct about the Github and PortableApps websites but 
> you did not yet comment on my note of /Sun Jan 29 13:25:24 EST 2023 
> /regarding the source for portable Gnucash v 4.13:
> 
>   What I do use is the latest portable version is
>   GnuCashPortable_4.13.paf.exe which can be found at
>   https://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/ and then navigate to the
>   Files tab then click gnucash portable (dated 2022-12-24) click then
>   navigate down the page to the PAF file you want.
> 
> This version of Gnucash works perfectly well so I'd appreciate your comments 
> about this source.
> 
> Sorry, I do not know how to reply directly to the gnucash-user mail list when 
> I don't have your posting in my mail to reply list or reply all. A suggestion 
> about how to do that is very welcomed!!
> 
> Regards,
>  Stephen
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Re: [GNC] Is this a wacky idea

2023-01-30 Thread Stephen

John Ralls (et al),
Your are absolutely correct about the Github and PortableApps websites 
but you did not yet comment on my note of /Sun Jan 29 13:25:24 EST 2023 
/regarding the source for portable Gnucash v 4.13:


   What I do use is the latest portable version is
   GnuCashPortable_4.13.paf.exe which can be found at
   https://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/ and then navigate to the
   Files tab then click gnucash portable (dated 2022-12-24) click then
   navigate down the page to the PAF file you want.

This version of Gnucash works perfectly well so I'd appreciate your 
comments about this source.


Sorry, I do not know how to reply directly to the gnucash-user mail list 
when I don't have your posting in my mail to reply list or reply all. A 
suggestion about how to do that is very welcomed!!


Regards,
 Stephen
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Re: [GNC] Is this a wacky idea?

2023-01-29 Thread john
Like us PortableApps is using SourceForge only as a download site. The source 
code there is 8-10 years old. There's newer source at 
https://github.com/PortableApps, some of which seems up to date but mostly not: 
The GnuCash package at 
https://github.com/PortableApps/AppConfigs/tree/master/G/GnuCash is 3 years old 
and for 3.6; that's not what's offered at 
https://portableapps.com/apps/office/gnucash_portable. I can't find any source 
at all anywhere for https://portableapps.com/download. The launcher at 
https://portableapps.com/apps/development/portableapps.com_launcher says 2.2.3 
but what's at was last updated 2 years ago and the last tag there is 2.2.

What's in the GnuCash package files is a bit lacking as well: It contains 
configuration information for their platform, things like directory locations 
and registry keys. There's no build information, no dependency information 
(other than environment variables for AQBanking and Gwenhywfar versions), and 
no indication of what runtime it uses. If it all works OK for you then no 
problem, but the GnuCash community may not be able to help with problems that 
aren't clearly inside GnuCash. Be sure to read 
https://portableapps.com/support/gnucash_portable#known_issues, though it's at 
least partly out of date: The Microsoft update linked in the Network Drives 
item 404s.

Regards,
John Ralls



> On Jan 29, 2023, at 10:25 AM, Stephen  wrote:
> 
> I agree with Fred Bone's comments about the portable version. You might be 
> clicking on some ad-driven thing or maybe going far afield.
> 
> I think you are not getting to the right website to download portable 
> Gnucash. There is one site on SourceForge "brought to you by Rayven01 that 
> seems pretty HINKY. It promotes a very old version of GNC, has no reviews and 
> no recent downloads. No way to know if this is where you are getting your 
> spammy dating site or monthly charges "offers" or not but you surely have a 
> problem somewhere along the line. If this is the SF site you are on I would 
> WALK AWAY!
> 
> It could be possible that you have a browser or host file problem perhaps 
> that is redirecting you somewhere bad?
> 
> re: Portable Apps -- on SF you can dl the actual PortableApps platform which 
> provides a launcher for lots of apps under the PortableApps umbrella. I don't 
> use it.
> 
> What I do use is the latest portable version is GnuCashPortable_4.13.paf.exe 
> which can be found at https://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/ and then 
> navigate to the Files tab then click gnucash portable (dated 2022-12-24) 
> click then navigate down the page to the PAF file you want.
> 
> As an option to using portable versions one can use Revo Uninstaller which 
> will uninstall a standard install of Gnucash reliably. Or I use Revo 
> Uninstaller Pro (paid) which will track an install and allow a very thorough 
> uninstall.
> 
> 
> On 1/29/2023 5:48 AM, Tom Browder wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 05:23 flywire  wrote:
>> 
>>> Anyone can run https://portableapps.com/apps/office/gnucash_portable in
>>> Windows without installing it. It is probably better than installing
>> 
>> It sounds great, but color me skeptical.  I have looked at portableapps
>> twice now and declined. The fine print says you'll be given a "free"
>> two-day membership to what sounds like a dating site. After that you'll be
>> hit with a bill for almost $40 monthly. At my age it's easy to forget given
>> such a short time to try it out "free."
>> 
>> I didn't see a way to decline. Frankly, I would be fine with a more modest
>> amount per month, with no long-term contract.
>> 
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Re: [GNC] Is this a wacky idea?

2023-01-29 Thread Stephen
I agree with Fred Bone's comments about the portable version. You might 
be clicking on some ad-driven thing or maybe going far afield.


I think you are not getting to the right website to download portable 
Gnucash. There is one site on SourceForge "brought to you by Rayven01 
that seems pretty HINKY. It promotes a very old version of GNC, has no 
reviews and no recent downloads. No way to know if this is where you are 
getting your spammy dating site or monthly charges "offers" or not but 
you surely have a problem somewhere along the line. If this is the SF 
site you are on I would WALK AWAY!


It could be possible that you have a browser or host file problem 
perhaps that is redirecting you somewhere bad?


re: Portable Apps -- on SF you can dl the actual PortableApps platform 
which provides a launcher for lots of apps under the PortableApps 
umbrella. I don't use it.


What I do use is the latest portable version is 
GnuCashPortable_4.13.paf.exe which can be found at 
https://sourceforge.net/projects/portableapps/ and then navigate to the 
Files tab then click gnucash portable (dated 2022-12-24) click then 
navigate down the page to the PAF file you want.


As an option to using portable versions one can use Revo Uninstaller 
which will uninstall a standard install of Gnucash reliably. Or I use 
Revo Uninstaller Pro (paid) which will track an install and allow a very 
thorough uninstall.



On 1/29/2023 5:48 AM, Tom Browder wrote:

On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 05:23 flywire  wrote:


Anyone can run https://portableapps.com/apps/office/gnucash_portable in
Windows without installing it. It is probably better than installing


It sounds great, but color me skeptical.  I have looked at portableapps
twice now and declined. The fine print says you'll be given a "free"
two-day membership to what sounds like a dating site. After that you'll be
hit with a bill for almost $40 monthly. At my age it's easy to forget given
such a short time to try it out "free."

I didn't see a way to decline. Frankly, I would be fine with a more modest
amount per month, with no long-term contract.

-Tom
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Re: [GNC] Is this a wacky idea?

2023-01-29 Thread Fred Bone
On 29 January 2023 at 5:48, Tom Browder said:

> On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 05:23 flywire  wrote:
> 
> > Anyone can run https://portableapps.com/apps/office/gnucash_portable in
> > Windows without installing it. It is probably better than installing
> 
> 
> It sounds great, but color me skeptical.  I have looked at portableapps
> twice now and declined. The fine print says you'll be given a "free"
> two-day membership to what sounds like a dating site. After that you'll be
> hit with a bill for almost $40 monthly. At my age it's easy to forget
> given such a short time to try it out "free."
> 
> I didn't see a way to decline. Frankly, I would be fine with a more modest
> amount per month, with no long-term contract.

And I can't see a way to be offered such a thing ...

I go to portableapps.com.

There I see a large green "button" saying "Download Now - Free". I click 
it and get a page headed
"Download PortableApps.com Platform 23.1 - Free App Store & Menu"
with another green "button" saying "Download from PortableApps.com". I 
click that and the resulting page autostarts a download.

(I cancelled that because I already run PortableApps for a couple of 
things and it will update itself anyway next time I run it).

Yes there are several ads on the page, but there's no compulsion to click 
on them.

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Re: [GNC] Is this a wacky idea?

2023-01-29 Thread Tom Browder
On Sun, Jan 29, 2023 at 05:23 flywire  wrote:

> Anyone can run https://portableapps.com/apps/office/gnucash_portable in
> Windows without installing it. It is probably better than installing


It sounds great, but color me skeptical.  I have looked at portableapps
twice now and declined. The fine print says you'll be given a "free"
two-day membership to what sounds like a dating site. After that you'll be
hit with a bill for almost $40 monthly. At my age it's easy to forget given
such a short time to try it out "free."

I didn't see a way to decline. Frankly, I would be fine with a more modest
amount per month, with no long-term contract.

-Tom
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[GNC] Is this a wacky idea?

2023-01-29 Thread flywire
Anyone can run https://portableapps.com/apps/office/gnucash_portable in
Windows without installing it. It is probably better than installing
GnuCash on your computer. It also allows you to install a dev version on
your computer without messing up the working version.

I still think you would be better to just run the reports and give them to
your accountant as a searchable pdf or html. No, the links don't work after
they have been exported but it's normally just a matter of referring to
another report.
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Re: [GNC] Is this a wacky idea?

2023-01-28 Thread Simon Roberts
Oh, excellent news, thank you Liz, I'll go ahead and see if I can prepare a
CD on these lines, and if I can persuade them to use it :)

Much appreciate the input!


On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 2:36 PM Liz Dodd  wrote:

> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 13:38:12 -0700
> Simon Roberts  wrote:
>
> > I envisage burning a CDROM with the books, and a Windows distribution
> > of GNC, hopefully so they can simply put the disk in and click to run.
> > Obviously, the books will be read-only in that event, but they'd be
> > navigable.
> >
> > Has anyone tried this? Is such an installation a possibility? (I'm a
> > Linux user, and it's not unusual to run software that's just "sitting
> > around in a directory tree", but such is not always possible in
> > windows, so that alone might prevent this.).
>
>
> I do it, and the year I didn't provide the .exe file I got asked for
> it. That was related to Covid lockdown and sending the files
> electronically, instead of my usual CD-ROM
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Is this a wacky idea?

2023-01-28 Thread Simon Roberts
Wow, does the state pay for your CPAs time doing that rekeying? That's a
major reason I'm looking at this. I want them to have instant access, easy
navigation, searching, and cross referencing, without having to run what I
call "hostageware" -- you all know, I'm sure, to which organizations I'm
referring :)

Fortunately, Colorado has no such evil requirements!


On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 2:48 PM Rich Shepard 
wrote:

> On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Liz Dodd wrote:
>
> >> I envisage burning a CDROM with the books, and a Windows distribution
> >> of GNC, hopefully so they can simply put the disk in and click to run.
> >> Obviously, the books will be read-only in that event, but they'd be
> >> navigable.
>
> > I do it, and the year I didn't provide the .exe file I got asked for
> > it. That was related to Covid lockdown and sending the files
> > electronically, instead of my usual CD-ROM
>
> I've not followed this whole thread, so excuse me for jumping in. I've run
> my business using only linux since 1997 and gnucash for most of that time.
> I've sent business and personal end-of-year financials to my CPAs as PDF
> files ... generated by gnucash, with scanned supporting documents. As of
> last year I'm completely paperless. Saves a lot of file draw space. :-)
>
> Here in Oregon CPAs must use the state's software which limps along on only
> Windows, so no matter whatever form the client data arrives they have to
> rekey it. I suppose the feds have the same requirement.
>
> It's never been an issue.
>
> HTH,
>
> Rich
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Re: [GNC] Is this a wacky idea?

2023-01-28 Thread Rich Shepard

On Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Liz Dodd wrote:


I envisage burning a CDROM with the books, and a Windows distribution
of GNC, hopefully so they can simply put the disk in and click to run.
Obviously, the books will be read-only in that event, but they'd be
navigable.



I do it, and the year I didn't provide the .exe file I got asked for
it. That was related to Covid lockdown and sending the files
electronically, instead of my usual CD-ROM


I've not followed this whole thread, so excuse me for jumping in. I've run
my business using only linux since 1997 and gnucash for most of that time.
I've sent business and personal end-of-year financials to my CPAs as PDF
files ... generated by gnucash, with scanned supporting documents. As of
last year I'm completely paperless. Saves a lot of file draw space. :-)

Here in Oregon CPAs must use the state's software which limps along on only
Windows, so no matter whatever form the client data arrives they have to
rekey it. I suppose the feds have the same requirement.

It's never been an issue.

HTH,

Rich
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Re: [GNC] Is this a wacky idea?

2023-01-28 Thread Liz Dodd
On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 13:38:12 -0700
Simon Roberts  wrote:

> I envisage burning a CDROM with the books, and a Windows distribution
> of GNC, hopefully so they can simply put the disk in and click to run.
> Obviously, the books will be read-only in that event, but they'd be
> navigable.
> 
> Has anyone tried this? Is such an installation a possibility? (I'm a
> Linux user, and it's not unusual to run software that's just "sitting
> around in a directory tree", but such is not always possible in
> windows, so that alone might prevent this.).


I do it, and the year I didn't provide the .exe file I got asked for
it. That was related to Covid lockdown and sending the files
electronically, instead of my usual CD-ROM


Liz
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Re: [GNC] Is this a wacky idea?

2023-01-28 Thread Glenn Fowler
Hi,

Unless your accountant is familiar w/ GnuCash, they usually don't want to
learn another program.
However, you mentioned you give then your report on paper. Why not just get
them a PDF copy? You eliminate the physical copy and they don't have to
worry about loading GnuCash.

On Sat, Jan 28, 2023 at 3:38 PM Simon Roberts <
si...@dancingcloudservices.com> wrote:

> I'm aware I could work this out for myself, but it could involve a lot of
> wasted time if the answer is no, and this list might have a quick answer
> either way.
>
> At some point, I'll need to submit my books to my CPA. They'll take the
> usual reports (general ledger, trial balance, stuff like that) on paper,
> but is seems that GNC is not that hard to navigate around, and it might be
> worth giving them, or offering them at least, a "live" set of books along
> with GNC to interact with them.
>
> I envisage burning a CDROM with the books, and a Windows distribution of
> GNC, hopefully so they can simply put the disk in and click to run.
> Obviously, the books will be read-only in that event, but they'd be
> navigable.
>
> Has anyone tried this? Is such an installation a possibility? (I'm a Linux
> user, and it's not unusual to run software that's just "sitting around in a
> directory tree", but such is not always possible in windows, so that alone
> might prevent this.).
>
> Anyway, if anyone has thoughts or relevant experience, I'd be pleased to
> hear from you.
>
> Cheers,
> Simon
>
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[GNC] Is this a wacky idea?

2023-01-28 Thread Simon Roberts
I'm aware I could work this out for myself, but it could involve a lot of
wasted time if the answer is no, and this list might have a quick answer
either way.

At some point, I'll need to submit my books to my CPA. They'll take the
usual reports (general ledger, trial balance, stuff like that) on paper,
but is seems that GNC is not that hard to navigate around, and it might be
worth giving them, or offering them at least, a "live" set of books along
with GNC to interact with them.

I envisage burning a CDROM with the books, and a Windows distribution of
GNC, hopefully so they can simply put the disk in and click to run.
Obviously, the books will be read-only in that event, but they'd be
navigable.

Has anyone tried this? Is such an installation a possibility? (I'm a Linux
user, and it's not unusual to run software that's just "sitting around in a
directory tree", but such is not always possible in windows, so that alone
might prevent this.).

Anyway, if anyone has thoughts or relevant experience, I'd be pleased to
hear from you.

Cheers,
Simon

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