Re: [Goanet] Re: The destruction of Hindu temples to build Churches
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, as all knowledge is provisional, I am sure we will discover much more on this theme-- particularly from historians. Mario observes: Cornel, Bill Clinton would love you, man :-)) It all depends on what the meaning of 'is' is is the mantra that guides you both :-)) As the comical Oracle of relativism you have pronounced once again with utmost certitude ...as all knowledge is provisional. Is your certitude on this issue provisional as well? I'm waiting with bated breath to discover whether the provisional knowledge that 2 plus 2 equals 4 has changed due to additional research and reflection :-)) And please use some other object, not yourself, when you try to see whether the provisional principles of gravity have changed:-)) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: Dubai Terrorism/response to Mario
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Elizabeth Re your post, unfortunately, Mario does not wish to understand what most of the world has to say about the disastrous American war in Iraq Mario responds: Cornel, As has become customary with most of those who disagree with me, I see that you, as a spokesman for most of the world have been reduced to attempted ridicule while unable to dispute a single specific fact among all that I detailed in response to Elisabeth: http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2006-June/043833.html You keep repeating left-wing propaganda ad nauseum and ignoring all the actual facts. You cite world opinion which Bush cares little about in his support for democracy, while you support about 20,000 murderous anti-freedom insurgents while callously ignoring the democratic desires of 25 million Iraqis. Your cynical and callous goal, along with the entire left-wing worldwide, is to blow smoke in our eyes with pious claims of being a humanist, while relentlessly supporting one of the most brutal and sadistic tyrants of our lifetime. Your every prevaricating word shows that you continue to hope against hope that the Americans will fail to liberate the Iraqis and provide them with the freedom and democracy that THREE successful and DEATH-DEFYING elections, have confirmed that they want beyond a shadow of any doubt. Cornel continues: At the latest count, 2500 young American soldiers have lost their lives, two are killed each day, 80,000 have been wounded and are treated badly on their return instead of as heroes as one might have expected. The Iraqi deaths which run into many many thousands are not even recorded by the American administration. Mario observes: Cornel, Your shameful crocodile tears will impress your fellow anti-freedom left-wingers, not any Iraqi, nor anyone involved in their liberation. First of all, the 2,500 Americans voluntarily and heroically gave their lives to give the Iraqis a chance at freedom and democracy. Compare their service and sacrifice whith you, who hides in a democratic country while supporting murderous anti-freedom terrorists targeting innocent civilians. Secondly, your claims that they are being treated shabbily is a blatant falsehood that is being spread by people like you who despise what they did and whose hatred for 25 million Iraqis runs so deep that their propaganda trumps their veracity. Regarding Iraqi deaths, they pale in comparison with what the Iraqis faced under Saddam. Perhaps the BBC has failed to inform you about Saddam's rape rooms, torture chambers and hundreds of Mass graves with hundreds of thousands of skeletons tossed in like thrash. In addition, these are martyrs to the freedom of Iraq, whereas their predecessors were simply killed by Saddam for opposing his own brutal and sadistic dictatorship. They had no hope. Iraq now does. Cornel says dismissively: I once said that if the whole world said that the sky was blue, Mario was capable of insisting it was red! Need I say more? Mario responds: Yes, you need to explain why you falsely claim to be a humanist while ignoring thefreely expressed desires of 25 million Iraqis. You need to explain why you are supporting the suicidal maniacs who are targeting and killing Iraqi civilians, for what? To try and deny them freedom and democracy. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: Re: [Goanet] Goa's other Films Fest fruit Gene Bank
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 Gabe Menezes wrote : Comment: Yes and when it is completed, please give us advance notice, so that we may be able to attend the House Warming Party! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes Dear Gabe, Any day is good enough for celebration, why wait maybe another five months for a formality? You are put on notice: you, Lily and the boyz are welcome, anytime, just don't forget to give me a tinkle the previous day! Regards, Valmiki _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] The Dangers of certain topics (relating to Churches)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Dear Elisabeth, Your letter is not a day too late! It is so nice, so concise, so much food for thought. It says it all. I don't know why Goanet allows the same old issues to be raked up again and again, as if one derives a masochistic pleasure in licking one's own past wounds, further lending ammunition to one's own newfound enemies. Everytime such unnecessary debates are revived, I live in agony, all the more so because of the vitiated communal atmosphere in which we live in our otherwise peaceful State, and look askance: Why, why, I keep asking? As you rightly put it: Perhaps Hindu temples were destroyed. Perhaps churches were built atop temples. All of that happened in the social and political context of that era. We as Christians today, cannot bear responsibility for it. Communal tolerance in Goa today is tenuous to say the least. The air is thick with tension, especially in certain parts of Goa. Two years back even a benign feast like the Bonderan feast was politicised and religious tension stoked. I can give many many more examples like the one you quote above. You have rightly said it, It is high time that we all act with responsibility and restraint. The editors of Goanet also must share the blame for allowing such unhealthy debates to go on and on in a repetitive and unending manner. Dr. Francisco Colaco = --- Elisabeth Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear fellow posters, I don't mean to be Chicken Little here, but in a moment I will seem to be. I haven't followed the discussion about Catholic Churches being built atop Hindu temples in its entirety, just in bits and pieces. While I certainly don't want to advise anyone on what to discuss, I think in the political climate that we live in today. Christians have to show some responsibility in the assertions that they make. Perhaps Hindu temples were destroyed. Perhaps churches were built atop temples. All of that happened in the social and political context of that era. We as Christians today, cannot bear responsibility for it. Communal tolerance in Goa today is tenuous to say the least. The air is thick with tension, especially in certain parts of Goa. Two years back even a benign feast like the Bonderan feast was politicised and religious tension stoked. It didn't take long for the Babri Mosque to fall. It won't take long before the legitimacy of our churches is called into question. Yes, it is nice to sit in our NRI lounge chairs and debate about issues, but in our zeal to debate our point of view, let us also show some restraint and responsibility. Elisabeth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Foeticide in India
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Dear Mario, I know you wanted the women on this forum to share their views on the matter of foeticide in India. Again apologies for the delay. Let me preface my post by saying that as the mother of a daughter I find female foetocide abhorrent to say the least. There are not enough poems to describe the loveliness of a daughter. With respect to the doctors who were hailed off to jail for aborting the female foetus, I do not find this an acceptable solution. Our medical professionals cannot be held accountable for something that is primarily not illegal in India, which is abortion. I have to wonder, were the parents also jailed? For the real culprits are the parents. It is however impossible to prove motive when trying to punish parents and the government cannot be society's moral custodian on this issue. Since I have been bestowed the credentials of left-wing intellectual, and in keeping with them, I am fundamentally not opposed to abortion. It is the undisputed right of the women or at the very least the parents. Which brings us back to the Salwaar Kameez. We have to ask ourselves, what sort of society are we creating in India. Are we creating a society that values women, that treats them with dignity and respect? Or are we creating a society that perpetuates inequalities and demeans women at every point, or even more sadistically caricatures them into either Madonnas or whores. We have to change society at its roots. You'll find that foeticide is almost nonexistent in Goa. There is a reason for that. Education and respect for gender equality (as much as was possible within the social context of that time) have been an important part of our culture. We have to change society at its roots. And when changes take place in society (such as Salwaar Kammez as the uniform) it may seem benign to the naked eye, but we have to ask questions as to what its actual implications are. Which explains my outrage at the Salwaar Kameez. Also I've never really looked good in one :)) Elisabeth - __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] The Dangers of certain topics (relating to Churches)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Dear Cornel, I too agree with your position on evangelisation. Infact I am against evangelisation by any religion or sect. Goa, particularly has to be very careful about being evangelised into the Believers ideology but that is another post and another hobby horse of mine to ride. Elisabeth --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However, my real worry is about the assertive stance of the Catholic Church to evangelise in India/Asia etc. I do not want this precisely for the reasons you have identified. This generates real fear in me because the approach is pretty provocative I think. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: Re: Re: Re: [Goanet] Goanet as a learning instrument
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 Mario Goveia wrote : I think the archives will show that we are on the same page on this I'm glad to learn that. Goanet admins, who we mutually admire, will sure be relieved :-) = I am actively engaged in discussions on Israel with a number of American Jews and Palestinians who are either friends or business associates. It is interesting that they will accept pointed criticisms from me that they will not accept from each other because they see me as unbiased. Tell you what, dear Mario. I think it's time that Kofi A. or George B. appointed you an Ambassador of Peace to the troubled mid-East. Regards, Valmiki _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: DEAR AUNTY - No. 9: WEEKLY HUMOR :-))
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- --- Francis Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DEAR AUNTY - No. 9: WEEKLY TOP 12: __ 1. DEAR AUNTY, The U.S. drew Italy with only 9 of 11 men at the World Cup. How?Osama ... Dear Osama:Isn't it obvious ? They're experts at 9/11 ! Hi Francis Although corny at times, your weekly humour is a delightful addition to Goan cyberspace. More significant, is your great talent at word play and connecting seemingly unrelated dots to generate humour. Like Dominic's attempt, can we expect a book soon with these compilations? Keep it up. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Progressive Presbyterians: Mother, Child and Womb
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Excerpt: 'The divine Trinity â Father, Son and Holy Spirit â could also be known as Mother, Child and Womb or Rock, Redeemer, Friend at some Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) services under an action Monday by the church's national assembly.' See story at http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060619/ap_on_re_us/presbyterians _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goa news for June 20, 2006
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Illegal sale of homes to foreigners in Goa (NDTV) Goa has drawn people from all over the world for decades. Some people decided to stay back for good and buy beautiful old homes in the state. But NDTV found that foreigners buying homes in Goa are not always following the rules, which makes these sales illegal. http://www.ndtv.com/morenews/showmorestory.asp?category=Nationalslug=Illegal sale of homes to foreigners in Goaid=89140 *** Report: (NDTV) Portugese culture is today so imbibed in the lives of Goans that it's difficult to imagine Goa without its Portugese connection. But when it comes to football, Brazil is a clear favourite. http://www.ndtv.com/sports/showsports.asp?sportname=Reportstory=Goa roots for Brazilid=28781 *** Wild animals encroaching on India's new city settlements (Channel NewsAsia) GOA, India : Wild animals, squeezed out of their natural habitats by man, are in turn encroaching into human settlements. That's a frequent phenomenon in India, as cities expand rapidly outwards. http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/southasia/view/214330/1/.html *** Cong supports govt over English in primary schools (Navhind Times) Panaji, June 19: The Goa pradesh Congress committee, at its meeting held at the Goa Chamber of Commerce and Industry hall, today fully supported the government and the Education Minister, Mr Luizinho Faleiro for introducing English language subject in Marathi and Konkani medium schools and further recommended setting up of a panel for drafting state education policy. http://www.navhindtimes.com/stories.php?part=newsStory_ID=062017 *** Rane firm on reforms in education (The Hindu) PANAJI: The Goa Government has ruled out changing its decision to usher in reforms in the primary education system. To prevent the Opposition Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and its allies from hijacking the sensitive issue when the State ... http://www.thehindu.com/2006/06/19/stories/2006061907010700.htm *** PLIVA sets up group's fourth RD centre in Goa (PharmaBiz) PLIVA, the 85 year old generics company based in East Europe, set up its new Research and Development facility PLIVA Research (India) Private Ltd, in Goa on Wednesday. This is the fourth RD center within the Group. http://www.pharmabiz.com/article/detnews.asp?articleid=33809 *** Claims of Goa Liberation struggle heroes to be settled: Rane (New Kerala) Panaji: Goa Chief Minister Pratapsingh Rane today said pending claims of the state's liberation struggle heroes would be settled soon. All the claims have been discussed at the meetings, attended by representatives of freedom fighters... http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnewsid=10861 *** Goa govt to find out foreigners illegally owning properties (New Kerala) Panaji: With the violation of the Foreign Exchange Management Act (FEMA), 1999 by foreigners brought to the notice by police, Goa government has activated its concerned departments to find out foreigners illegally owning properties in the state. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnewsid=11224 *** Jamir lauds Goa's overall development (New Kerala) Panaji: Lauding the overall development of the state in the past few years, Goa Governor S C Jamir today urged the people to work for transforming the state into a more harmonious and progressive one. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnewsid=10833 *** Goa to celebrate Revolution Day on June 18 (New Kerala) Panaji: Several functions would be held by the government and educational institutions all over the state to mark the Goa Revolution day tomorrow. http://www.newkerala.com/news3.php?action=fullnewsid=10541 Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] For NRIs, investing in India akin to bungee jumping
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- On 19/06/06, Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For NRIs, investing in India akin to bungee jumping (SPECIAL) By Kul Bhushan For NRIs, investing in the Indian market is akin to bungee jumping - considering what has happened over the past few weeks. An adventure sport, bungee jumping involves jumping from a high platform with one end of an elastic cord attached to the ankles. When the person jumps, the cord will stretch to take up the energy of the fall - and the jumper will spar upwards as the cord snaps back. The jumper oscillates up and down until the energy of the jump is exhausted. Comment: Known as a dead cat bounce! I'd say buyer beware (Caveat emptor) - Sure you could make a load of money if the trend is really up - better to be safe than sorry. Wait for the market to show itself! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Flexible code
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- So, as we can see, religion does not give us a rock solid moral code that has survived unchanged for thousands of years, as was erroneously stated in this forum. The post below and the religious texts themselves provide us with ample facts in support of this contention. These facts are as follows: 1. Many ancient practices described in religious texts have now been regarded as barbaric and immoral, and have therefore been abolished by all modern secular nations. 2. The sanitized and abridged example of a common moral code of two major world religions has been shown to have been conveniently revised to generate three versions. 3. No rational moral basis has been provided for the first four commandments of one of the revised versions of this flexible code. 4. The argument that this religious moral code is immoral because of the associated prescription of death penalty, including death by stoning, for its violation, has not been refuted. 5. A new situational moral revision is presented, one that offers an unsubstantiated blanket denial of the existence of the penalty of death, in the face of explicit statements that can be seen even in modern revised versions of the ancient religious text in question. 6. The convenient denial of the amply documented death penalty leaves one to wonder what sort of adverse consequence takes its place in the modern sanitized revision of this pliable religious moral code. For example, what personal or public consequence awaits thou if thou make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth? Cheers, Santosh Mario Goveia wrote: The comments above refer to what the individual unorganized atheists CLAIM to believe. If they make an exception due to convenience, there would be no personal or public consequences unless they break some law _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Vasco Civic Consumer Forum to act as a facilitator.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- -- Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members, relatives, neighbours and friends. Help others be BETTER INFORMED, The time is come for the people of Goa to ORGANISE not AGONISE !! -- --- Vasco Civic Consumer Forum launched --- At long last Vasco citizens have got together to convene a Consumer Rights and Civic Action Group. This forum was convened with the active guidance and encouragement of the GOACAN - Goa Civic Consumer Action Network. At its first meeting held on 23rd March at the St. Andrew's High School classroom, Mr. Roland Martins, Co-ordinator of the Goa Civic and Consumer Action Network (GOACAN) and the Goa Desc Resource Centre, elaborated on the role and relevance of the Forum. He stressed the need for such a citizen group to ensure the rights of the consumer and the accountability of the authorities responsible for providing the various civic infrastructure facilities. Mr. Martins elaborated on the provisions of the Consumer Protection Act 1986. He informed that there were various requirements under the Act that needed to be implemented. The Vasco Forum has been appropriately launched during the GOACAN Consumer Rights Awareness Fortnight, which was observed from the 15th to 30th March 06. The Forum, which will function like a self-help group, will aim to discover the consumer and civic facilities and services available in Vasco and their redressal systems. It will look at the grey areas and explore the rights and responsibilities of a citizen as a consumer and a civic individual. It will ascertain the agency responsible for providing each service. Further regarding civic issues, the Forum will undertake the exercise of identifying problems ward wise and map each ward. It will endeavour to set up Garbage Management Committees at ward level as per the Garbage Management Act. At the outset it will undertake the task of getting all Senior Citizens registered with the Social Welfare Dept. It will also obtain the important telephone numbers of the various officials of the civic agencies and copies of their Citizen's Charter. The Forum will encourage the citizens to register their complaints in writing with the departments concerned with a copy to the Forum, and provide guidance and assistance in the follow up and redressal. The Forum aims to act as a facilitator rather than a complaints cell. It will also take a positive constructive stance in interacting with the various authorities and agencies. It will aim to find viable solutions to the various issues through informed interactions with the depts. concerned and seek the implementation of the various provisions of the regulations in the time frames laid down in the Citizen's Charter. The Forum will meet monthly on every fourth Thursday at 6pm at the St. Andrew's High School, Vasco. Citizens are welcome to attend the meetings and actively participate in the endeavors of the Forum in improving the quality of life of the citizens of Vasco and of the neighbourhood. All correspondence can be addressed to the forum at the following address: Mr. Higino Rebelo Convenor Vasco Civic and Consumer Forum Ground Floor, Villa Rebelo near KTC Bus Stand, Mundvel VASCO 403 802 e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Report adapted from VASCO WATCH Vol.6 No.14 page 1 30 March - 13 April 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK -- promoting civic and consumer rights in Goa - GOACAN Post Box 187 Margao, Goa 403 601 GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: GOA London Ruby n Reita Faria
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- GOA London Ruby n Reita Faria Mon Jun 12 19:12:03 PDT 2006 I was curious how Reita looked and here is a picture I found (on the following link, http://www.silvertorch.com/images/Radio%20Pics/radio-a-pics10.jpg Does anyone know what happened to Imelda, the presenter on All India Radio? Always curious what she looked like? PN Hi PN, Don't you Google? If you did, what would have emerged is: * AIR did an interview with her recently: IMELDA! Rainbow FM 105.4, Goa's FM station, goes forward into the past next week and meets up with Panjim-born Imelda Dias, who was convent educated in British India and, at an early age, forged a career in broadcasting by joining the commercial services of the then nsacent Radio Goa, later renamed EMISSORA DE GOA. Imelda served as newsreader, translator and programmer. She was evacuated to Portugal in 1961. She also worked for the Emissora Nacional, broadcasting programmes to India and Africa. On her return, she joined the local station of All India Radio and handled broadcasts in English and Portuguese. Recently, she authored a collection of short stories entitled *Shattered Lives*. Join RJs Yolanda and Savio, Feb 16, 8 to 9 pm. (H) http://www.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet/2005-February/024122.html * She gets mentioned recently (2005) in a tribute to Goan women: Imelda Tavora was the first Goan Radio Star among women. http://www.mail-archive.com/gulf-goans@yahoogroups.com/msg01473.html * Imelda's daughter-in-law Dr Tithi was victim of a brutal murder at her home, by robbers: In Goa, after her marriage in 1987 to Carlos Tavora (who runs the popular Udupi-style Navtara Hotel and other businesses and who's mother Imelda was a prominent name on the airwaves of Panjim in past decades), she was a consultant to the INS Mandovi Naval Base. http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@goacom.com/msg03341.html * Her sister-in-law's death was noted: VELSAO: Alba Dias e Souza. Wilfe of late Guilherme de Souza, mother/in-law of Marconi/Maria dos ANjos, Ramona/Raul, Nelson/ Amanda, sister/in-law of Imelda/late Lube, late Dr Angelo/ Christine, Aires/Maite, sister-in-law of Suzanne/late Dr Alvaro Loyola Furtado, daughter/in-law of late Maximiana/late Basilio Dias (Panjim), late Jovita/late Roldao de Souza (Velsao). Grandmum of Natasha, Chelsea, Andre, Michelle, Johanna, Iiona. Funeral from Sapna Plaza, 4th Floor, Flat No 10 to Velsao. http://www.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-August/032193.html If I recalled right, she had also published a book recently. Of course, fast-changing Goa has a number of young RJs (radio jockeys), mostly in their twenties, and the younger generation would have forgotten the voice of Imelda, which was almost like a signature 'tune' each afternoon, when many of us waited for the Western music programmes to start at 1.05 pm. (Now there's a lot more of Western music on FM radio. We're waiting for Xavier's College campus radio to get started, and another two private FM long-delayed stations are slated to come up in Goa too.) Another radio person who doesn't get the attention due is Libia Lobo Sardessai (widow of the late former ambassador to Angola and ex-Goa Today editor for awhile Waman Sardessai). Libia and team ran an underground (though I guess, Government of India-supported) radio station in the pre-1961 era out of the jungles around Belgaum. She has a whole lot of manuscripts, just waiting to be published, but is awaiting the Romi Konkani skills (the broadcasts then were obviously in this script) for this to happen! FN PS: As you could gauge from the above, I fell in love with radio by the time I was eleven! I still prefer it to TV, though my paens of praise are now directed to technologies like WorldSpace (or community radio)! -- -- Frederick 'FN' Noronha | Yahoomessenger: fredericknoronha http://fn.goa-india.org| [EMAIL PROTECTED] Independent Journalist | +91(832)2409490 Cell 9822122436 _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
RE: [Goanet] Journalism in Portuguese India 1821-1961
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Cornel, there are a lot of misunderstandings in Goanet. Most of them can be avoided if we make the extra effort to understand each other. Unfortunately, that does not happen often. Hence, the forum as a whole loses out tremendously because instead of making it a learning instrument we rather use it to destroy each others' points of view. Instead of learning and understanding each other all we try to do is score points. As that was not enough, we then have a censorship team which is far from understanding and far from neutral. But this is my opinion and I have made it clear to Herman Carneiro and to the other administrators more than once. But nothing much changes around here anyway. This is why there is not much to learn in this forum. You thought Constantino was giving you a 'mouthful' by replying with a dictionary definition and by addressing you with the title of Prof. I am 100% sure Constantino did not intend to give you a 'mouthful'. But that is because I know Constantino well and have got a lot in common with him. Your reading was obviously different and that was the cause of the problem. Constantino is a master in diplomacy and I still believe that you misunderstood him completely. I think his last response to you is very clear. Anyway, what is the point of going through this all over again? Lets just move on. Best regards Paulo. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of cornel Sent: 19 June 2006 15:40 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! Subject: Re: [Goanet] Journalism in Portuguese India 1821-1961 Hi Paulo I have only just seen your post and am sorry I could therefore not have replied sooner. I have to disagree with your view that I had misunderstood Constantino. I had not assumed anything when I asked Constantino, most politely, and very briefly, what he meant by Continental Portugal in his presentation? He could have given me a simple answer and I would have been more than happy. However, I got a 'mouthful' instead before I could even duck! So, where was my misunderstanding in the first instance? I did not even have the time nor opportunity to misunderstand Constantino! If in doubt, please read his first reply to my very humble question. I really would be very intrigued if you disagreed with the comment above. Regards Cornel _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: The destruction of Hindu temples to build Churches- response to Mario
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Hello Mario: I did not selectively associate you with anything. I mentioned your name along with Gilbert's and marlon's and others. In my opinion and in the opinion of many historians there is no perhaps or maybe as far as atrocities on the local population including destruction of hindu temples is concerned.It is well documented by independent historians and the writings of people like Francis xavier too reflect that barbarity. I also belive that such wanton acts of religious extremism in the past should not be used to justify and encourage more such acts in our present times. At the same times such incidents should not be brushed under the carpet under the pretense of maintaining communal harmony or by refering to other issues like sati manusmriti and aryan invasion or hindutva. I belive it would be a good start for all of us if accept that what the portuguese and other colonial missionaries of bygone era incuding francis xavier did was an extreme example of religious bigotry and intolerance. I also do not agree with your assertion that criticising such acts by christian zealots in the past is in any way related to christianity bashing. One should not confuse the criticism of zealots and fanatics as the criticism of religion itself. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: India gobbling the world - Malthus was never wrong!
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Dear Mario, Let me first apologise for the delay in responding. I have been otherwise occupied. Summer in Minnesota is a wonderful time of year. I hope you visit us sometimes. Let me preface this post by saying that I have tremendous respect for Dr Singh. If the Mahatma is the Father of the Nation, then certainly Dr Singh deserves the honour as the Architect of India's Modern Economy. I am in no way, begrudging India the tremendous strides it has made, which seemed almost impossible given the bleak scenario it was faced with just a few years back. Having said that, any serious economist has to be gravely concerned with India's population. Even the article link that someone provided on this forum had this to say: Last year per capita income in India was $3,300; in China it was $6,800. Prosperity and progress haven't touched many of the nearly 650,000 villages where more than two-thirds of India's population lives. Backbreaking, empty-stomach poverty, which China has been tackling successfully for decades, is still all too common in India. Education for women -- the key driver of China's rise to become the workshop of the world -- lags terribly in India. It is true that you are either a Malthusian economist or you are not. For better or for worse. I am. The basic premise of Malthus' paper was never really wrong. That resources are not infinite and that unchecked populations will be detrimental. In the time that he made his observations, food was the essential resource. In our time, poverty is not defined as not having enough to eat, although for large sections of the world population it does not even meet this criteria. In the time we live in, we can be abysmally poor, living in urban ghettos, sharing accommodation with rodents, drinking water from infested sewers, being subjected to all the ills that poverty brings with it, drugs, prostitution, alcoholism, violence. This is the poverty that grips us. To keep my post as brief as possible, let me sum up by saying that the reason I constantly harp on population in India is because both national parties, The Congress and the BJP have forsaken any concerted efforts to curtail population. It is unpopular to do so and politics in India is all about the vote bank. India is poised to become the most populous country by the year 2015. Heaven help us all. Elisabeth - Mario observes: Based on this India and China should have been facing mass starvation by now. However, because people don't sit still in the face of problems but develop solutions, both countries are self-sufficient in their food supplies, and are even exporting food. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] BEWARE - FAKE DOCTOR ??
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Goa everyone believes is indeed a land of SUN FUN PLENTY. There's so much of SUN that every one believes one can make hay while the sun shines. After this writer reported the case of a fake civil engineer from Pulvado Benaulim Salcete Goa who is still evading arrest. Here is a case of another doctor who is now believed to be put on the run. He has a flourishing practice in South Goa Salcete Taluka at two places to be precise. The testimonials of the Doctor as was given to understand to this writer by an individual, for investigations, is that he possess the qualification on M.H.M.B.S and the same is from (BOM) which means Bombay University. But the Registration Number is maintained as a secret as of now? What surprises one is that many RMP's look amazed at the abbreviation M.H.M.B.S and what it could stand for? Is it a qualification under allopathy, ayurveda, homoeopathy, unani or what have you they wonder? One senior Registered Medical Practioner disclosed to this writer this evening that this could be a qualification issued by the Calcutta University (now Kolkatta) somewhere before 1940 to those practicing homoeopathy. But if this is true then the Doctor who is in possession of this degree or Diploma in homoeopathy could definitely not be genuine one as he definitely appears to be born much later then 1940. On a look at the body language of this Doctor when this writer saw him at one of his consultancy room there was an indication that he is aware that his game is up. But until such time the Indian Medical Council, the Maharashtra Council for Homoeopathy or the Calcutta University fails to give a clarification on the query, raised by this writer the name of the Doctor has been withheld. Meanwhile this writer would appreciate if any of the readers could assist this writer in deciphering the meaning of M.H.M.B.S . Incidentally this Doctor is well connected, in high social circles just like the fake civil engineer who is now on the run. The Indian Medical Association in Goa should have a re-look at all the testimonials of the Doctors practicing in Goa just as a measure of abundant caution. Similarly all other Medical Associations and Institutions connected with the medical practitioners should follow suit. There would be a temptation for a notorious Doctor to feign ignorance of where his/her testimonials lie or that they could be eaten by white ants or lost in a fire as the common alibi when exposed. But fear not in such cases surely one would remember his alma mater the portals of the Institution from where he/she passed through and once this information is obtained the Institution would readily make available the information. If they dont this writer is willing to assist free of cost. One hint is to have a look at Doctors who begin practice in slum areas or rural areas where ST/SC's abound, there may be some exceptions though but here this could be his/her ideal laboratory to start with with no questions asked by the unlettered patients. For the patients visiting the Doctors they would do well to ensure that the Registration Number the Institute/Council/Place is clearly mentioned. Feel free to ask your Doctor from which University he/she has passed out or obtained his/her testimonials. Merely by years of practice one need not possess genuine credentials. The Income Tax Rules also makes it mandatory for Doctors to maintain a record of their clients diagnosis, payment of fees and therefore this information can be yours for the asking under The Right to Information Act Rules in force from 12/10/2005 It is already on record that the fake Civil Engineer now on the run was entrusted several jobs by the Archdiocese of Goa and Daman. Though the Archdiocese has yet not issued a clarification on their stand vis-a-vis the fake civil engineer even well over two months now. It is clear that they have resigned to their fate of being duped. At best they could stop payment of outstandings to the fake civil engineer and recover or seek indemnity if the structures so restored constructed suffer damage or ruin within reasonable time. You too could pounce on another fake professional --Be on alert, and watch out for more on this issue. GODFREY J I GONSALVES [EMAIL PROTECTED] Borda Margao Goa 9822158584 __ Yahoo! India Answers: Share what you know. Learn
Re: [Goanet] Goa History: Destruction of Temples
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- --- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In your last post you claimed some historical facts. You did so with much confidence (to prove me wrong!). Obviously as a smart individual, you would not be making a fool of yourself. So, I can only blame the authors of the books and web pages that you read (as obviously you, like me, were not there in the 16th century). You make my point. And I have made this repeatedly! Some amateurs are writing these history books, web pages and expressing opinions not supported by facts. This false facts either make their biases; or their bias is the cause for the false facts. The other two reasons may be: plain ignorance, ani sodanchem kaneos muree. Mario adds: Gilbert, This reminds me of the history books we had in school written by British historians. Who can forget that the number of Brits cited in the books would never fit in the Black Hole of Calcutta without being piled three deep, or kaneos of 500 intrepid Brits defeating armies of thousands of Indians, etc. etc. etc. But let's not be too hasty in declaring young Marlon as being reluctant to make a fool of himself :-)) Based on his endless repetitions of deliberately false assertions about the opinions of others, hoping no one will notice or remember the facts, it is a toss up that he is even quoting his own sources accurately. The one thing we can be sure about based on extensive evidence in the archives is that his spin will be consistently anti-Christian on the grounds that he is really doing Christians a favor by exposing their insecurities. This is accompanied by the sophistry that he is really not anti-Christian because he supports freedom of religion and that he has contributed to Christian causes, which I'm sure he has the receipts and cancelled checks to prove:-)) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] RE: TRAFFIC SAFETY IN SCHOOL SYLLABUS
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario Pull the other leg it has bells on it.You draw a fine distinction to take credit for yourself while ridiculing others. Not many are amused by your antics as the posts on Goanet indicate. Mario responds: Cornel, unlike you, I supplement any ridicule I use in very rare and extreme situations - for example all your recent posts, repeating over and over again your belief that 2 + 2 is only provisionally equal to 4 - with detailed explanations of my position. Here we again see that your response to my detailed and logical explanation is sadly lacking in any specifics, any facts, or any logic. Why are you so reluctant to be specific, when everything you say is provisional? :-)) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Government Apathy Traffic Discipline/Control
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- --- John Eric Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to state the history of government apathy in Goa is frightenning, because it repeats itself with impunity! Mario observes: John, You have dissected the problem like a surgeon with a scalpel, or hit the nail on the head with devastating force, or whatever analogy is appropriate :-)) Career bureaucrats have a natural inclination to cover up their apathy and a vested interest in doing so. I commend you for bringing the authorities face to face with their bullshit with your strongly worded letter. Please continue to rub their noses in it relentlessly to make it more difficult for them to sink back into their customary apathy. In my mind you now join Chandrasekharan, Melinda and Valmiki as one of the day-to-day heroes who are actually addressing all this official apathy, which is an age old problem across the sub-continent. I don't see any other option but for people of goodwill, like yourselves, to continue trying, because the alternative is unacceptable in terms of each and every life that is now at risk. This reminds me of a letter that President Nixon, no stranger to adversity, wrote to his arch political adversary, Ted Kennedy, after his personal tragedy at Chappaquidick, You are not a loser when you fail, only when you quit. For what you face, quitting is not an option. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goa: British Actress Lucie Eadon Traces Her Roots in India
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Goa: British Actress Lucie Eadon Traces Her Roots in India Speaking to daijiworld special correspondent Ares at Anjuna, Lucie Eadon explains her special mission June 18, 2006 Goa: Lucie Eadon is a movie material in England because of her talents. But she can be better movie material in India and filmmaker Ashutosh Gowarikar can work on the sequel for his Lagan, if he works on the story of writer-cum-actress Lucie Eadon. Lucie's story dates back to British India - somewhere in 1849. Right from my great grandfather to my mother's side, my family history is more in India than in England, said this 28-year-old actress, who is down in India with a special mission. I want to track down entire history and find out places where my ancestors stayed, worked... everything, stated Lucie who met this reporter at Anjuna beach in Goa as a tourist. Lucie's family history in Goa is tied up with the British armed forces and East India company. My great grandfather William Fredrick Eadon married my great grandmother Winifred Mary in Mumbai which was then Bombay in 1921, she stated. Down in India with her fiancé, Luke Meander, Lucie, does not carry much information about her roots in India. With whatever tit bits available she is scouting for her roots here. Back home in London, my mother is helping me by providing information... Mom has done research on my family and it is her insistence that brought me down in India on this mission, Lucie says. Lucie knows that her search would take her to cities like Mumbai, Calcutta, Allahabad, Puri and others. One Mr Singh, who is my father's friend in Mumbai will help me.. let's see, I am yet to meet him, said Lucie, who is a freelance writer with The Times, London. I want visit all houses where they lived. My grandmother was born in Mumbai and later traveled to Calcutta, Lucie says. Lucie's great grandfather was civil engineer in railways and was engaged in building bridges all over India. Her mission got a set back seven years ago when her grandmother expired. She was born in India, studied here. She used to narrate stories of India and how she was not allowed to study in public school fearing that she would be grown as average ordinary Indian child, Lucie recalls. Lucie's family left India in mid-19th century never to come back. She loved India and wanted to come back... she always told us stories about this great land, Lucie says with emotions in her eyes. What I imagined about India from my grandmother's stories was something different from what I have seen during my visit... But I love India.. I like this place and people, Lucie says. She is skeptical whether she would be able to put pieces of information together and find out her roots. There are very few pictures of my great grandfather with us. But still I am working on whatever I have.. If I succeed, I will surely write a book on my roots in India, Lucie adds. http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=22930n_tit=Goa%3A%20British%20Actress%20Lucie%20Eadon%20Traces%20Her%20Roots%20in%20India ~(^^)~ Avelino _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goan discussion on degrees of affiliation to differnt faiths
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Gilbert Firstly, I am at a loss to understand your current talk of anti-Catholic views. How can you possibly arrive at such a view when, as in my case, all one is seeking is historical veracity on the temple/church issue in Goa because of intellectual curiosity? Secondly, I want to suggest that you might end up taking the Zionist kind of line that any criticism of Israeli policy on the occupation of Palestinian land is anti-semitism. Surely, you do not believe in this kind of nonsense that is subscribed by, for instance, Orthodox Jews against Progressive Jews within Israel and in the Jewish Diaspora. Thirdly, one more example may be pertinent. There are extreme views which have argued that the Jewish Holocaust (aka Irving etc) never took place in German controlled lands in WW2. However, we know that the evidence of death camps etc is there for all to see to be able to dismiss the rantings of modern day Nazis. I have also personally been to Dacau etc to see for myself -- to make sense, if at all possible, of man's grotesque brutality to fellow man in the name of a demented ideology. However, I have strong reservations about the only European country (Austria) that treats Holocaust denial as an imprisonable offence. In other words, the element of proportionality must come into play and thus finding criticism of aspects of Catholicism cannot possibly be seen as anti-Catholic except by those who might be deemed to be rather narrow minded. In my own case, just as I have reservations about aspects of Judaism, Hinduism and Islam by way of examples, I have honest reservations about aspects of Catholic doctrine. In what way does this make me anti-Catholic? Some Catholic priests indeed share my reservations and this is one of the reasons why there is a substantial exodus from the priesthood and a serious decline in entry into the vocation. Are such people anti-Catholic as per your highly questionable and indeterminate criteria? After reading the above, I would be interested to see if you might wish to reconsider your blanket term anti-Catholic. Kind regards Cornel - Original Message - From: Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 10:38 AM Subject: [Goanet] Destruction of Hindu temples and replaced by Catholic churches. Hi Cornel, I will assume that the following is the British way of saying, I stand corrected.:=)) Now if we can only get the other Goan anti-Catholics on the same page as you, I will have done my missionary work. Pray, please tell us where do you keep reading this Goan anti-Catholic propaganda? Kind Regards, GL --- cornel wrote: I definitely made no claim that I was in any way certain that Hindu temples were destroyed for Catholic churches to be built over them. To say I had read about this is not to make a claim. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Visit of Kuwait's Amir to India
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Amir`s visit heralds boom for economy - Commerce chamber DG His Highness the Amir Sheikh Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah MUMBAI June 19, 2006 (KUNA) -- The visit of His Highness the Amir Sheikh Sabah Al-Ahmad Al-Jaber Al-Sabah to India already realized its goals, and most particularly in the field of economics and trade, Kuwait`s Chamber of Commerce and Industry Director General Ahmad Rashid Al-Haroun told KUNA. Al-Haroun said a visit of such a large delegation of this status and one headed by His Highness the Amir is no doubt an exceptional event and a visit that is sure to bring positive results. On the talks with the Indian side, he said they covered all aspects of the economy including direct and indirect investment, investment by the state through Kuwait Investment Authority, and private sector investment. The private sector was keen on fostering strategic partnerships during the visit, Al-Haroun noted, and the delegation comprised figures and representatives who are capable of handling this task, which was stressed as a priority by His Highness the Amir in his previous tours. Al-Haroun added His Highness Sheikh Sabah is the man who engineered and planned the Kuwaiti economy when he was prime minister and is now keen to establish the state as a strong commercial, economic, services, monetary, and investment center and keen on utilizing opportunities stemming from proximity with the region`s biggest populations in Iraq and Iran. The chamber director general expressed hope the fruit of this tour would be seen evidently in return visits and pointed out there were initial agreements on many issues during the visit. On seeing realization of agreements in the coming months, Al-Haroun stressed We will see more partnerships and many investments on both sides. His Highness the Amir and his accompanying delegation had during the visit to India signed a number of agreements. These include an agreement on double taxation, a cultural Memo of Understanding, a Memo of Understanding between the two chambers of commerce and industry on boosting trade and investment, and agreements on scientific and technological cooperation between the two states. - Forwarded by www.goa-world.com ABOUT GULF-GOANS e-NEWSLETTER This first of its kind Gulf-Goans e-newsletter archived at www.yahoogroups.com/group/gulf-goans is dedicated to Goans around the Globe and is moderated/edited by Gaspar Almeida (since 1994) and presented by Ulysses Menezes, owner of http://www.goa-world.com website. EXPRESSIONS - The Flower Shop (Goa) www.goa-world.com/expressions/ THE GOAN FORUM http://www.colaco.net GOENCHO ULO http://www.fullerlife.in http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/06/en/index.html Only if we can restrain ourselves is good conversation possible. Good talk rises upon much discipline. ~John Erskine~ http://www.goa-world.com/goa/about_goa/ ~www.goa-world.com~ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] The Dangers of certain topics (relating to Churches)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- On 19/06/06, Elisabeth Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear fellow posters, I don't mean to be Chicken Little here, but in a moment I will seem to be. I haven't followed the discussion about Catholic Churches being built atop Hindu temples in its entirety, just in bits and pieces. While I certainly don't want to advise anyone on what to discuss, I think in the political climate that we live in today. Christians have to show some responsibility in the assertions that they make. RESPONSE: Now that was indeed an nice responsible post; while not wanting to hide our past, it certainly does not behove us, to publicly wear sack cloth and ashes and parade around Margao Bazaar, extolling sins committed and apologizing for the past. This has already been done many, many times before and we acknowledge it. Let us now move forward ! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] OFFTOPIC: Re: Goa and Wikipedia...
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Hey Mario, what are you doing reading a Marxist paper like the NYT :-) On a more serious note: Sorry for ending up on an offtopic note... but just to answer Mario. The headline below is true but misleading. It suggests that the entire Wikipedia has shifted away from an anyone can edit policy. Well, as you will see, some 82+179 articles were 'protected'. Currently, there are 1.1 million articles in the English wikipedia alone (1,199,376 articles in English, to be precise as of 2.24 pm in Goa). So, only a tiny fraction have been blocked from editing due to their contentious nature. Wikipedia strives for a NPOV (neutral point of view) approach. Anyway, even on the blocked articles, it's open to anyone to go to the DISCUSS page of every article, and state one's views clearly. For instance, when I saw the Goa page being distorted by the 'colonialism started in 1961' lobby, instead of fighting an edit-reedit-rereedit battle, I simply went and made my point on the DISCUSS page. It worked, and the editors were convinced about the points put forth (still visible and on the record). BTW, have you contributed to the Wikipedia? Or will we rest content in pointing out flaws in it? Peace, and no offence meant! FN Fred, Are you aware of the following development at Wikipedia? http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/17/technology/17wiki.html?_r=1ei=5094en=dfa87aba254ab5e7hp=ex=1150516800partner=homepagepagewanted=printoref=slogin Growing Wikipedia Revises Its 'Anyone Can Edit' Policy. June 17, 2006 Growing Wikipedia Revises Its 'Anyone Can Edit' Policy By KATIE HAFNER Wikipedia is the online encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Unless you want to edit the entries on Albert Einstein, human rights in China or Christina Aguilera. Wikipedia's come-one, come-all invitation to write and edit articles, and the surprisingly successful results, have captured the public imagination. But it is not the experiment in freewheeling collective creativity it might seem to be, because maintaining so much openness inevitably involves some tradeoffs. At its core, Wikipedia is not just a reference work but also an online community that has built itself a bureaucracy of sorts — one that, in response to well-publicized problems with some entries, has recently grown more elaborate. It has a clear power structure that gives volunteer administrators the authority to exercise editorial control, delete unsuitable articles and protect those that are vulnerable to vandalism. Those measures can put some entries outside of the anyone can edit realm. The list changes rapidly, but as of yesterday, the entries for Einstein and Ms. Aguilera were among 82 that administrators had protected from all editing, mostly because of repeated vandalism or disputes over what should be said. Another 179 entries — including those for George W. Bush, Islam and Adolf Hitler — were semi-protected, open to editing only by people who had been registered at the site for at least four days. (See a List of Protected Entries) -- -- Frederick 'FN' Noronha | Yahoomessenger: fredericknoronha http://fn.goa-india.org| [EMAIL PROTECTED] Independent Journalist | +91(832)2409490 Cell 9822122436 _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] RE: PROOF: Boiling Temperature of Water.
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Cornel, The Rust Belt is an area of great knowledge from ancient times. May I point out to you that your certainty that 2+2=4, has been conclusively disproven to show that not only is 2+2 not 4, but that indeed 3=4 !! Here is their proof: Given: a + b = c This can also be written as: (4a #8722; 3a) + (4b #8722; 3b) = (4c #8722; 3c) . After reorganizing: 4a + 4b #8722; 4c = 3a + 3b #8722; 3c . Take the constants out of the brackets: 4(a + b #8722; c) = 3(a + b #8722; c) . Remove the same term left and right: Thus 4 = 3. source: 'Toledo Observer' FR __ .. Cornel to Mario: Also, please stop kidding us about your science knowledge and nonsense about true knowledge. There is no such thing as true knowlege in the natural world as all human knowledge is provisonal. The only certainty that exists is that because we are born, we will die. All other knowledge, is provisionally constructed knowledge, as a heuristic device to make sense of chaos in the world including that 2+2=4. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Destruction of Hindu temples and replaced byCatholicChurches
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Mario Your response below relating to the temple/church discussion confirms for me that you definitely have a comprehension problem over a straightforward open question. Secondly, I reiterate absolutely that there is no such thing as true knowledge. I provided two separate very reasoned explanations about this issue for you and all on Goanet but unfortunately Goanet has not yet been able to transmit my posts. I understand that this is because it has to give priority to posts more directly related to Goa. However, I am in no hurry to press my point about the non existence of true knowledge. The world's trained and educated scientific community would be wholly in agreement with this position. Cornel - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 3:29 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Destruction of Hindu temples and replaced byCatholicChurches --- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario I definitely made no claim that I was in any way certain that Hindu temples were destroyed for Catholic churches to be built over them. To say I had read about this is not to make a claim. Are you experiencing some difficulty in comprehension? Mario replies: For an adult whose comprehension of the world is such that you can say with utmost conviction, ...one would even be pressed very hard to refer to anything in science as true knowledge. I can see that one would be pressed very hard to say that anything is true, or not true. BTW, why did you ask in such detail on June 15, Do you accept or do not accept from whatever hard evidence you can garner, that Hindu temples were destroyed in Goa and that a number of Catholic churches, were built instead, on roughly the same sites where the temples were destroyed? This sure sounded as if you accepted what you were asking _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Sharing is fun... Goa photos in cyberspace
--- Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (broadband is just here, and unlimited use costs a fairly affordable Rs 900 p.m) kept me from getting swollen headed... so far. Mario responds: Now, now, Fred. Let's not get carried away :-)) Fred writes: The photo both were referring to is at http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/122926418/ But after seeing their comments, I'm beginning to get vain. Mario replies: Your pictures are excellent, so we'll allow you a little vanity. But, remember, like the sum of 2 + 2, this, too, is provisional, and we will not hesitate to puncture your vanity if conditions change :-)) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Journalism in Portuguese India 1821-1961
Hi Paulo I have only just seen your post and am sorry I could therefore not have replied sooner. I have to disagree with your view that I had misunderstood Constantino. I had not assumed anything when I asked Constantino, most politely, and very briefly, what he meant by Continental Portugal in his presentation? He could have given me a simple answer and I would have been more than happy. However, I got a 'mouthful' instead before I could even duck! So, where was my misunderstanding in the first instance? I did not even have the time nor opportunity to misunderstand Constantino! If in doubt, please read his first reply to my very humble question. I really would be very intrigued if you disagreed with the comment above. Regards Cornel - Original Message - From: Paulo Colaco Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!' goanet@goanet.org Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:20 AM Subject: RE: [Goanet] Journalism in Portuguese India 1821-1961 Cornel, I think you misunderstood Constantino. He did not mean to say that Portugal was a continent... :-) Far from it. Continental Portugal is an acceptable term commonly used in Portugal and by other continental European countries. I see no problem with the _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] will prevail! Well done Churchill by :Jerry Fernandes, Saligao
will prevail! Well done Churchill Jerry Fernandes, Saligao Today if theres one Goan politician (forget the sting operations) who stands tall among all the rest in Goa then it is none other than South Goa MP, Churchill Alemao. Inspite of not being highly educated, this true blooded Goan politician have always been a big hit who have fought many battles and who have managed to hit right on target on every sensitive issue in Goa. From Konkani agitation, Konkan Railway agitation to Anti-Mopa agitation and more recently by raising his voice and putting pressure against the much publicized controversial movie Da Vinci Code (which later was withdrawn due to public pressure), Churchill has proved that he alone is a man of principles and guts who is interested in safeguarding Goas interest. Anyway, we are all proud of you Churchill Alemao for fighting for our cause in Goa. You alone seem to understand and the pulse of every true Goan and no one else. May the good God bless you and your family and keep you in good health always. Keep it up Churchill Goa loves you always . Keep fighting for Goa and save it from that ultimate disaster God bless you. » login to post comments __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Shigmo Festival in Goa
Please send the below mentioned mail to all the members in the mailing list. Hi, all the members, I intend to initiate a study on origin of shigmo festival which is organised in Goa with that to the shigmo or carnival organised in parts of Africa.I think there must be some connections as there are substantial siddi population in Goa which has their origin in Africa. I will be grateful if you suggest me some resource person or some source which can help me. Thanks Dr. Anjali Rao, Department of Philosophy PES COLLEGE OF ARTS AND SCIENCE, PONDA GOA Resi: Girivar, opp. Dhempe College, Miramar Beach, Post: Caranzalem.Goa 403002 HomePhone: 0832 2465825 /2462351 / 2462195 _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Update on Macazana Priest Murder Case : Police filed Chargesheet
Priest Murder Case: Police Filed Chargesheet - The Macazana Priest Fr. Eusebio Ferrao was murdered on 17th March 2006 - The two accused Manish Dhubey and Amit Sukla were nabbed on 21st March - The Investigation regarding the murder of the priest has been completed (NT) - The police have registered an offence under Section 302 of the IPC (NT) - The police filed a chargesheet the duo in the court Saturday (H) - UP duo killed priest over unfulfilled job promise says Police (H) - Both Amit and Manish allegedly killed the Priest over an altercation on the promise of providing job says SP (South)Shekar Prabhudesai (H). - The Investigation Officer (IO) PI Harish Madkaikar did not mention about the motive behind the murder in the brief facts of the case attached to the chargesheet. (H) - However, the IO did mention in the brief facts that the duo with their Common intention committed the murder of the deceased priest by pressing his mouth and nose with the pillow.(H) - What exactly was the common intention found no mention in the brief facts. (H) - IO says there is no need to explain the motive in the brief facts, even as senior police officers admitted that the police normally cite a brief note on the motive behind any offence (H) - New Twist: The police now say that both Amit and Manish were intercepted at Curtorim market on the wee hours of March 18 after they fled the Macazana Parochial House. Sources said the duo provided their names, addresses and the telephone numbers to the beat police personnel, before proceeding to the Margao Railway Station (H). - These telephone numbers and other information later heped the police to go on a hot chase of the two accused, who were finally nabbed at Nagpur-Maharastra while they were on their way to their native palce at Chandpur-Salori, Allahabad, UP (H). - In the chargesheet running over 100 pages, the police have also attached the statement of Archbishop Fillip Neri Ferrao, complainant Fr. James Tores e Silva, prime witness and mess boy Sunil Rodrigues, post mortem report etc (H) - The two accused are in Judicial custody (NT). JoeSays: It seems cases like this (booked u/s 302 etc) take a minimum of 18 months to come up for hearing in the court. A similar murder case in Vasco where in Dr. Verenkar was kidnapped and later murdered by his son-in-law on January 17, 2005. The hearing of this murder case began on 16th June 2006. Next hearing is on 30th June. The police has registered this case under Section 302 of IPC. There are five accused in this case who are in judicial custody. As for the Priest murder case, we have already seen some new twists in the story/case (as above) and it wont surprise me should there be further twist/s in the story at the time of hearing in the court. For this, one will have to wait for another 13 months (if it takes minimum of 18 months as in Vasco Doctor Murder case). Or else meet them (MANISH AMIT) here (over 520 people met them already on the net) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/121723216/ #2: Manish and Amit The killers of Fr. Eusebio Ferrao (Macazana Parish Priest) 520 views /2 comments [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ Konkani Songs, Goan Photos, Tiatr/Film VCDs, Bank interest rates etc etc (for updates etc click below) http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/files/ ___ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Regretful incidents that occurr regularly when flying Indian Airlines to and fro Goa to Kuwait
Respected Sirs, Through your well-readmedia I wish to express my deep regret at certain un-required incidents that occurred at Indian Airlines and encounteredspecially by theGoa bound passengers.My family (my wife, mum, and 2 children travelled to Goa on 10th June 2006 Indian Airlines Flight IC-576 Kuwait-Goa-Chennai. The first thing I noticed at the Indian Airlines counter at Kuwait International Airport (baggage checking-loading) was the Indian Airlines Baggage Collecting officers(?)/porters were so rude to the travelers i.e. that kept shouting at everyone and did not spare any one for even a gram of excess weight. More over they were very strict with carrying of our hand baggage too and insisted on not allowing more than 5kg/passenger. So far, this is was tolerable and that's fine with us.However, at the time of purchasing our tickets it was clearly stated by the Reservation staff as 40kgs/passenger verbally. I purchased the ticket one month early as we all know it very well by now that Indian Airlines always tries to make the best use of the seasonal rush by raising their fares. Just a weak before their departure I went to reconfirm my families tickets and the weight allowance. I was very very surprised to learn that Indian Airlines had now amended the baggage allowance to 30kgs and hand baggage to not exceed more than 5kgs. Hence, my family did not exceed the weight limitation knowing well the Indian Airlines counter staff attitude and the overall Indian Airlines behaviour pattern. I am paying approximately Rs. 3.00 extra over the regular fare for my family - only R.K. Dewat and the Indian Airlines management can justify this fare! May God bless them abundantly.Now the sad part of it is that my family reached Goa on 10th June-06 and while checking at the baggage receiving end, learned that the baggage of the whole family was not loaded by Indian Airlines at Kuwait airport. Upon enquiring, the officer in charge told my family that the cargo would be loaded and it will be sent on the next connecting flight and would inform my family when to collect the baggage. My Entire families clothes, medicines for my mother and children were in the baggage. They were left without any thing in hand except for the hand bags which had nothing more than a few papers and petty/small items. Moreover my family traveled on a month's vacation, and I was to follow a couple of weeks later as we had planned our holidays in advance in minute detail and every passing day is important to our family. After a couple of days, we received intimation and My wife went to collect the cargo at the Dabolim (Goa) airport -a distance of over 40 KMs. from our home. When asked for compensation the cargo handling staff of Indian Airlines wereagain too arrogant to speak on the matter and even hesitated to discuss it. Is it at all our fault if our baggage was not loaded by the Indian Airlines staff at the Kuwait airport? Are we to bear the mental torture, anxiety and pain for the Indian Airlines staff mistakes? My wife had to literally run around the Indian Airlines officer's at Goa Airport and to request for transportation compensation. Atlast after negotiating she managed to get only peanuts of the value she actually spent for her to and from trip and YES had to waste an entire day. Also, we learnt from other passengers, that on this particular Indian Airlines flight 50 Goa-bound passengers baggage were offloaded, and none of the passengers were notified to take off. Also, no one at the Goa Airport (Indian Airlines staff] bothered to inform the passengers that their baggage is left behind at Kuwait Airport only after waiting for hours for their baggage, when they went to the Airport In Charge they requested them to make a Lost Baggage Claim. The Indian Airlines flight staff just went merrily to their homes without even a word to anyone! Don't you think this is totally unfair when the ticket fare on the Kuwait-Goa-Kuwait sector is the highest and Goa passengers still have to go through this bad experiences. Furthermore to my surprise even the following second Indian Airlines flight which left on 13 th June had some cargo offloaded. Again, unfortunately my sister-in-lawand colleagues traveled on this flight. When she reached at the Goa airport she was notified that her luggage was also left behind. So this is just the beginning of the season. God knows what its going to be for the next flights to Goa .I went to the Indian Airlines office in Kuwait City nextmorning and was surprised to find out that the officer incharge (R.K.Dewat) who attended me did not even have an Office for himself. I related the facts to this Indian Airlines staffer, regretably in the midst of others who were present at this Indian Airlines facility, which in itself speaks volumes. At first R.K. Dewatwas not even ready to listen to what I was saying. He only insisted saying that people carry excess weight and for this reason we
Re: [Goanet] Goa's other Films Fest fruit Gene Bank
On 19/06/06, Valmiki Faleiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Goa's other Films Fest fruit Gene Bank By Valmiki Faleiro .. I had this aunt, T.Olinda, dad's unmarried sister. Green fingers, she raised her own seedlings, made her own grafts. She used the bone of a particular deer's antler to make the inverted-triangle incision in the mother tree and anthill soil to 'bandage' her surgery - for success, she said. She counted with pride at least 22 fruit varieties at any given time in the family yard … pink Grape Fruit (Pomelo), half a dozen types of Lime, both varieties of Chikoo and its cousin Adama (AdanvFoll in Konkani). A weakness for citrus and sapota! Then there were mango and mulberry, cashew and coffee … the list is long, but of course, coconut, of which she had one from Seychelles and another that bore nuts 15 inches in diameter. All seeded or grafted with her own hands. While building a new house, the trees were rampaged by an army of labourers camped in the backyard. House now almost complete, I turned to the backyard. I must restore at least 22 varieties. Comment: Yes and when it is completed, please give us advance notice, so that we may be able to attend the House Warming Party! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Environmental outfit fears water pollution from oil spill
Environmental outfit fears water pollution from oil spill Newindpress.com Monday June 19 2006 11:51 IST SIRSI: Owing to the oil slick from a privately owned ship, 'MV Ocean Sereya', which hit an offshore rock at the Devagadh lighthouse in Karwar, near here recently, the Vrukshalaksha Andolan, an environmental organisation, suspects severe water pollution and has urged for a detailed study by concerned experts. Speaking to reporters at Karwar, Ananth Hegde of the organisation, said apart from the oil slick, other dangerous components like lead, mercury, tin and other chemicals, might cause water pollution. The organisation urged for a detailed study by the Goa National Institute of Oceanography and said the district administration, Department of Port and Ships and the Coast Guard, should take the necessary steps to prevent such mishaps in future. Dc admits leakage: It was possible to remove 226 tonnes of oil from the ill-fated 'M V Ocean Sereya' ship and the remaining 430 tonnes of oil were already spilt, said Deputy Commissioner of Uttar Kannada district, Reeteshkumar Singh. Speaking to reporters recently, he said a detailed study on the leakage and its effect, had been carried out and in the last 12 days, underwater experts, ship salvage party and other parties, had succeeded in removing oil from the tankers. Efforts to take out the dilapidated ship from the sea would be initiated only after the monsoon, he added. Regarding the mishap, the director general of Water Transport, had demanded a bank guarantee of Rs 17.75 crore from the ship owner as compensation, he said, adding that, sufficient precautionary measures were taken to control water pollution. The department of Fisheries had demanded Rs 20 lakh compensation from the ship owner and the district administration and the department of Port would also demand appropriate compensation from the shipping company, he added. http://www.newindpress.com/NewsItems.asp?ID=IEK20060619012940Page=KTit le=Southern+News+-+KarnatakaTopic=0 ~(^^)~ Avelino _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] High time Goans get Positive
High time Goans get Positive - By Plastino D'Costa Engage a Goan in a conversation, and the story he might tell you will be of misery, if you happen to be a silent listener, he will make sure you have pity on him and everybody in Goa, the closer the relationship the worse the story. Are Goans really in such a bad shape or is it a case of seeing the glass half empty? With such a negative mindset embedded, how can we expect our GenerationNext to perform? Of course things are not great in Goa, but they are not hopeless either. It is everybody's duty to point out the wrongs of the society, but strictly in the hope of making a better future, and not to create a pessimistic society. We are used to talking negative all the time, that it has become a part of our lives. Goa might be the only place where Goans actually pay money to watch Konkani plays where actors proudly advertise that they are Tragedy Kings or Tragedy Queens or whatever. It means tragedy sells in Goa, thereby making it slowly a pessimistic society. Even Bollywood gave up on their tragedy king's long time ago, because it did not reflect the society anymore. Children during their formative years look up to their elders for guidance, and eventually behave like them. If you create an environment of pessimism, even if they are born to succeed, we might be conditioning them to fail. Adolescent age is full of hope, desires, dreams and pessimistic society could stifle all that. Today Indian society is all about confidence and confidence comes when you think positive. Why should Goa be any different? Thinking positive is the only way our chances increase in finding a solution to a problem. Our GenerationNext might acquire the best of education in schools and colleges, but without a positive attitude most of it will be neutralized with the systematic negative influence of our society. Having negative thoughts and feelings are not uncommon, but when negative feelings outnumber the positive ones it affects performance, growth, happiness. When people are negative it affects their self-confidence. Goans who talk negative might actually be using negative psychology, little knowing that it actually affects them also. Conscious or sub-conscious negative talk should be discouraged from the society. Thinking negative might be justified for our past generation, as they lived in a period of transition from an easy Portuguese Past to a difficult uncertain Indian future and no transition is easy. But now India's future is not uncertain anymore and our GenerationNext has no excuse to think negative or feel hopeless. Positive thinking eventually helps in getting the job done. Imagine, you rise early morning and you have an important assignment at hand for the day, if your mind believes you will succeed, chances are high you will succeed, however, if your mind believes you will not, whatever chances you had to succeed becomes nil. You will achieve what your mind believes in. Positive thinking people give positive vibes and this reflects on people close to them, and those people will take it to others and eventually the whole society will be full of people with positive attitude. Remember we are all born to succeed, if Goans can succeed outside Goa, then why not in Goa, it means Goan environment needs to be made conducive for success. Meantime, authorities can do their bit, to put an end to dishing too much tragedy in the name of entertainment. If sex and violence is bad and controlled by censors, let there be, control on excessive tragedy shown in the form of entertainment. If sex and violence corrupts the society then depicting tragedy for no reason makes the population timid. We need confident Goans and we need to remove all obstacles that come in the way. Why bother about this Tiatr going Goan? Because, come election-day and this negative thinking, tragedy seeking timid Goan, by his sheer strength of his number, declares the verdict on our face, it is this Goan who neutralizes the positive vote. Unfortunately he is in majority at the moment. Goans in position of influence on the society choose to ignore this subject. Of course there is an incentive for vote seekers to keep the population timid, so that they depend on them for every small thing. But Goans who sincerely want to change society for the better can do their bit by making sure people in their circle change mindset from negative to positive. Remember all systems are designed to work, even the Goan system, be it the government, bureaucratic for the private sector. All systems have to get the job done, it has to complete the loop, there might be loop holes in the system, but by thinking positive you can actually focus on the loop and not the loop holes. If we need Goa to change, we need to change the mindset of Goans from pessimism to optimism. The government does not control the way you think. Of course it might put obstacles, but once you think positive, you will overcome these obstacles,
[Goanet] For NRIs, investing in India akin to bungee jumping
For NRIs, investing in India akin to bungee jumping (SPECIAL) By Kul Bhushan For NRIs, investing in the Indian market is akin to bungee jumping - considering what has happened over the past few weeks. An adventure sport, bungee jumping involves jumping from a high platform with one end of an elastic cord attached to the ankles. When the person jumps, the cord will stretch to take up the energy of the fall - and the jumper will spar upwards as the cord snaps back. The jumper oscillates up and down until the energy of the jump is exhausted. Starting off at a very high level of 12,612 on May 10, the Bombay Stock Exchange Index, or Sensex, took a deep dive of 1,100 points on Maniac Monday - May 22 - as it stretched to its limit but the elastic cord of the sound Indian economy tied to the investor bounced it back to lose 456 points. On May 18, the Sensex was down 1,300 points. Investors had high blood pressure, angina pains, migraines and some even attempted suicide. Again, the Sensex swooshed down but regained soon. The upward movement happened quickly but has not reached the same peak. By June 16, the Sensex had topped the 10,000 mark, closing at 9,885 - gaining 955 points in two days. Bungee jumping remains a spectacular attraction and an exhilarating experience for all who participate, attracting people from a wide background but not the faint hearted. Spectators of all ages stand in awe, witnessing the many people who just have to do it for thrills. Investors get this adrenaline - and super profits - with the sharp rise of the Sensex. The falls have been equally breathtaking to wipe the profits from a quarter to half and again the upswing. The big question that surges through the head of the bungee jumper as he swooshes up and down is: Will I survive? As the stock market crashed, it was the same question for the Indian economy to take the slack and bounce. The short answer is 'Yes'. Although tied to the world economy, the Indian economy is on the road to rapid sustainable growth. Foreign institutional investors have pumped in over $40 billion into the Indian market and when the US interest rates go up or some other global economic activity affects them, they withdraw their funds - but not all of them. Why - because they are sure about India's medium term growth. The NRIs are sending over $20 billion to India annually and may be double this figure if we add the unofficial transfers. India's foreign exchange reserves stand at $163 billion and other economic indicators are positive. Rising interest rates and oil prices that slow down the world economy can reduce the profits of Indian companies from a hefty 30 percent to 15 per cent but even half that figure makes attractive investment in their stocks. At that rate, profits double in five years and double again in the next five years. The Sensex stood at 2,900 in April 2003 and quadrupled to 12,600 in three years, the latest 'bungee fall' notwithstanding. In 10 or more years, equities have beaten every other asset class for high returns. However, they are also the most risky. So the primary quality of the investor should be patience during the upheavals. An analysis of Sensex data by AbunDanze, a financial planning firm, proves the value of patience over a long run of 10 years. This analysis of the Sensex data over 1979-2006 clearly shows that stupendous returns in some years average out negative returns in other years. Over any one-year rolling period, the Sensex posted negative returns 10 out of 27 times but nil over any 15-year period. Risk (the capacity to incur a loss) loses its potency over longer periods. For example, when we analyze the Sensex over the last 25 years, the probability of incurring a loss in any given year is 37 per cent. This probability decreases to 20 per cent over any three-year period, 13 per cent over any five-year period, 5.5 per cent over any 10-year period and zero over any 15-year period. Why has the market recovered so rapidly? Simple, because the smart investors are entering the market at these low prices. One NRI investor is holding on for the Sensex to touch 8,000. He may never get that trough. It's not about timing the market but the time you stay invested in the market. Bungee jumping is not for people with high blood pressure, orthopaedic problems or heart disease. If undertaken with all precautions and using all the safety measures, bungee jumping is safe and thrilling. So is equity investing over time. Are you ready to jump? (A media consultant to a UN Agency, Kul Bhushan previously worked abroad as a newspaper editor and has travelled to over 55 countries. He lives in New Delhi and can be contacted at [EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- -- Frederick 'FN' Noronha | Yahoomessenger: fredericknoronha http://fn.goa-india.org| [EMAIL PROTECTED] Independent Journalist | +91(832)2409490 Cell 9822122436 --
Re: [Goanet] Goa Revolution Day /Melinda Coutinho Powell
Dear Melinda, scroll down... On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 Melinda Powell wrote : We speak and no one listens.Only after repeated protests,there is an impact. The recent protest at the Zuari bridge where the commuters took to the streets and blocked the bridge ,brought about swift action from the Govt.. Melinda Coutinho Powell I will forward a piece I wrote for the Herald last Sat morn (17/June), on the fiasco about the partial closure of the Zuari Bridge, which appeared at Page 2 anchor, the day you attended the Cuncolim Consumer Forum meet. Check my opening sentences. We may rave and rant. In the face of huge fortunes amassed by our politicos, plundering the public kitty, nothing's gonna change in Goa -- not even the next election results. Unless we are willing to march on the streets and bare our chests like Dr. Ram Manohar Lohia did at Margao 60 years ago (telling the Portuguese police 'commandante' that he would not stop his fiery speech, as ordered, and daring the cop, the service revolver drawn, to shoot him) 60 years ago. We will have to march on the streets and bare our chests, to get results. That's the reason I tipped the hat to the brave Goenkars who blocked the Zuari Bridge last Friday. We need a Che Guevarra. Times have made a Gandhi redundant. Just a thought. -Valmiki _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: DEAR AUNTY or UNCLE !
Dear Aunty, I believe we were only looking for Clar-ification and a FranC answer from the ever-mysterious Au-dacious(in the brave sense) Aunty! However you DO make me smile with your strange ways :-) Could someone solve the mysteRY of the KaunTI? :-) Jen === --- Clara Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DEAR AUNTY, We are confused ! Is Aunty an Uncle or is Uncle an Aunty? Ed.Verd Jen Lewis. . Dear Ed Jen:Smart thinking Jen-ius! Did you jointly ask this because 'jenius loves company' or 'two Eds are better than one.?! OK, Aunty would rather be mysterious on all forums, as she has fans from all genders, whom, as an 'agony aunt' she wouldn't like to 'aunt-agonize' ! If she can make you laugh (even tho' she's a phoren import!), that's import-aunt! Aunty Ponty. _ Is Aunty an Uncle or vice-versa ? Eddie [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm confused too! Which is which? Jen [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Do you Yahoo!? Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. *~Jen Birmingham UK http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VascokarsUnited/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IEIGLC/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoanStudentsAbroad/ == __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] ENGLISH TO DENY OFFICIAL STATUS TO KONKANI ROMI LIPI?
It is shocking to learn from the Honorable Minister for Education, Mr Luizinho Faleiro M.Com, LL.B that the reason for introducing English at the primary level from this academic year 2006-2007 is owing to the fact that there was a 40% rate of drop outs at the Primary school level as the students studying in Konkani (in Devanagari script the official language NOT Roman script) and Marathi were unable to come to terms with English at the V Standard onwards. To support this claim and that of his Cabinet constituting the Indian National Congress led coalition of NCP MGP and Independent, he states that he has conducted a State wide survey and the figures 40% speak out for themselves. Apparently the parents / guardians spoke for their children/wards. Niether the details of the questionaire nor the views of those surveyed or interviewed are made public till date. While the introduction of English as a subject is indeed welcome given the dismal performance of the students that have graduated thus far the first batch in 2004-2005 and the reason is true in case of those from Marathi medium. This writer interacted with several people to know their views on the above and their observations are at variance with that of the Honorable Minister and they are willing to subject him to strict proof of his contention on the floor of the Goa Legislative Assembly come the month long session beginning 10th July 2006. But first the facts: I) Vide circular no:61 DE/Acad.I/PolicyDecision/Medium/Pry/344/90/1284 dated 21.5.1990 the medium of instruction was introduced in a phased manner from academic year and the successful ones passed the X, XII, Graduation TY as under (excld the current and next academic year) 1990-91 STD I PASSED X 1999-00 XII 01-02 TY 04-05 1991-92 STD II PASSED X 2000-01 XII 02-03 TY 05-06 1992-93 STD III PASSED X 2001-02 XII 03-04 TY 06-07 1993-94 STD 1V PASSED X 2002-03 XII 04-05 TY 07-08 The Minister would do well to explain with facts: *** a) what is the number of students that were enrolled in 1990-91 in the 123 Diocesan run schools that switched over to Konkani in Devanagari script ithe official language (instead of Konkani in Roman script) b) what is the number of drop outs at the V, X, XII and TY level from this lot? c) How many parents of these students (mainly from the minority community ) expressed resentment that the students enrolled in 1990-91 dropped out because either i) they were unfamiliar with Konkani in the devanagari script? OR ii) the teachers who were conversant with the English medium were made to overnight switch over to Konkani in Devanagari and since they themselves were asked to perforce learn as well as teach the children, the teachers were frustrated and had to drop out. *** In regard to students from Marathi medium schools the Honorable Minister should clarify separately a) what is the number of students that were enrolled in 1990-91 in the Marathi medium primary schools b) what is the number of drop outs at the V, X, XII and TY level from this lot? *** It is a fact that the protoganist of Konkani only in Devanagari script have commended the introduction of English as one subject. This will indeed help our children no doubt. But they have done this under the guise of their multifaceted NGOs or through their spokesperson but mainly from the Bahujan Samaj who ride piggy back on these only Devanagari Konkani protoganists. The reason being that they believe that with English now as one subject at the Primary level Konkani in Devanagari as the NATURAL SCRIPT is now a fait accompli (as postulated in 1939 by Shanbag at Karwar and by the Sahitya Akademi on 21.11.1981) and there will NOT BE A DEMAND FOR RECOGNITION of KONKANI IN THE ROMAN SCRIPT AS THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE AND HENCE THEY HAVE cheered the decision of the Honorable Minister. Let it be clear that once the above facts are obtained from the Honorable Minister for Education it will be abundantly clear that atleast in the 123 run diocesan run schools the reason for drop outs and low level of English of those that have graduated is because Konkani in Devanagari and not Roman script was made the official language. The Honourable Minister is on record as confirmed by this writer in the precincts of the Goa Legislative Assembly in his Chamber in August 2005 as having stated that he is ---NOT IN FAVOUR OF TOUCHING THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE ACT 1987 at this juncture TO AMEND THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE ACT 1987 AND GIVE RECOGNITION TO KONKANI IN ROMAN SCRIPT --- Hence his intentions of introducing ENGLISH as a subject is an alibi to escape from this demand of recognition to Konkani in Roman script which has since got the support of ex CM Mr Manohar Parrikar the Bahujan Samaj and members of his BJP besides Mr Mathany Saldanha, the Deputy
Re: [Goanet] Re: Hello people2
Hello Mario :: Thanks for the endorsement. It was time to light the candle, instead of cursing the darkness. Also Cecilia, my friend and wife is now stronger after all her travails so yours truly and truly think and gaze into the spectrum a bit more. It has been a good steeplechase. So its time for this Goan to rock with paint : ), celebrate a bit, and see where it leads. venantius - On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:34:44 -0700 (PDT), Mario Goveia wrote --- Venantius Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Fred et al, I have been quiet for a long time now. Thought Id share some of my recent work and info on an upcoming trip to London for Art in Action. http://www.artinaction.org.uk/event_demonstrator-details.asp?ref=5artref=59 http://www.flickr.com/photos/venantius/ Mario responds: Venantius, Holy Cow! Where have you been, man?! I'm sure glad you decided to stop being quiet. Your art is exquisitely brilliant and positively world class, and I'm going to let all my friends know about you. -- @@@USER@@@ Internet Channel -- inch.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Zuari Bridge is Opened for all Types of Vehicles
Goa, Jun 19: After the rasta roko carried out by the people near the Zuari Bridge on Friday 16, the Zuari Bridge is temporarily opened for all tupes of vehiocles including heavyt vehicles. The state River Navigation Department had sent 5 ferry boats to the concerned ferry route of Agassaim and Cortalim. But the people never opted for this route and went on their bikes, four-wheelers and also by walk. The ferries were just kept anchored at the ferry point without being used. By late afternoon on Friday, the highway authority had to withdraw its notification of not allowing the heavy vehicles on the Zuari Bridge for the time being and allow all types of vehilces to run on the bridge. For pics check out : http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=22966n_tit=Zuari+Bridge+i s+Opened+for+all+Types+of+Vehicles RE = Sharing is fun... Goa photos in cyberspace Fred, pics by Rajtilak Naik for Daijiworld News Network are also great. Check out his Goa albums. http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=22601n_tit=Simply+Sepia+% 21+%2D+Album+by+Rajtilak+Naik+from+Panaji+%2D+Jun+10 Edward Verdes Chinchinim/Jeddah, KSA _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Hummanem / Parkonnem - Konkani Riddles
resending KONKNI RIDDLES Kitem tem sangxi? 1. Abba mhuntlear lagta, Arey mhuntlear lagona. (If you say Abba it touches, If you say Arey it does not.) 2. Tin mattem, dha paiem, mathi khavun mukhar veta. ( Three heads, ten legs, eats earth and moves forward) 3. Tin paiemcho tikdo ghoddo, tacher bosla kallo cheddo. (Horse with three legs, riding on him is a black servant) 4. Gobrant lollta, udkant morta. 5. Nexil'lem kaddun, baint uddta. 6.Ath assa, paiem na, gollo assa mathem na... 7. Tunvem ugoddlem, anvem pollelem. 8. Fatrar nachta, sorier lamta. For answers check : http://www.konkani2004.com/docs/Pg153-157.pdf#search='Konkani%20proverbs' or try to figure out below * * * * 1. TTNOV ( SPIL) 2. ROGNAN ( HGUOLP ) 3. SHIDDI VOIR KOIL (IRON PAN PLACED ON CHARCOAL OVEN with THREE LEGS) 4. OLLAGNI/ DNEK - (LAOC- RED HOT) 5. MELLEK - (ANANAB ) 6. SIMUF - (TRIHS ) 7. DNOT - (HTUOM) 8. MADPAK (CLOTHES WASHED ON STONE N DRIED ON LINE) Edward Verdes Chinchinim/Jeddah, KSA _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Communidades
Shud have been 'Tuje Maincho Ghov' instead of Tujea Ma..or Tuzo.. I stand corrected. btw it was not clear if the author was a male or female..I presumed the writer was female, from the email header and at another point where she mentioned ghowhich could have been a different version as in 'gho' n re. Rgds edward If you don't mind Sir, could you please justify your syntax vis-a-vis that used by the author-to-be.Let us keep aside the spellings. Hope yuo'll kindly oblige. Thanks. Richard Cabral _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] THE CHALLENGE OF INTEGRATED URBAN TRANSPORT PLANNING
http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=131005 With fuel prices spiralling and uncertain, fe takes a look at what is being done to give citizens a reliable and affordable public transport system. A report across states Delhi's transport policy is ad hoc, sadly inadequate RAJAT GUHA Four years after it was first promised, the city government hasn't moved on a proposal for a multi-modal transport authority, although it was supposed to be something the chief minister favours. Three years before, the government had spoken of electric trolley buses, high capacity buses (HCBs) and a light rail transit (LRT) system, besides a mono-rail. Till date, with the exception of five HCBs, none of the other projects has gone anywhere. Electric trolley buses were to be introduced on two corridors by the end of 2003. Today, the project is as good as shelved. The LRT system met the same fate. Despite numerous feasibility studies, the project has not seen the light of day. As for the mono-rail, the idea was to have one for the walled city. But it has failed to enthuse the Union urban ministry, which would have to arrange the finances. Three corridors had been tentatively identified, but lack the backing of a proper study. -- Goa amy also need to plan (and implement) urban transport systems in an integrated way. Let's hope Financial Express (FE) covers Goa in its survey too. (GOG should be monitoring and pushing for proper coverage of Goa in the national news. But that's another story.) Cheers. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Government Apathy Traffic Discipline/Control
I read with interest the fol:- The Government is considering Road Safety as part of the syllabus in schools and colleges.Wonderful.But by the time this becomes a reality, several more youth would have lost their lives.I cant help being skeptical ,we need action not talk.Soon this will be a forgotten topic unless we all write/email the Director of Transport and the Traffic Police ,that education in road safety is a priority. At the monthly consumers Traffic meeting at Margao Police Station, this month the topic of RSP(Road Safety Patrol) in schools came up. There were various excuses from the Traffic Police - Mario responds: Melinda, I don't blame you for being skeptical, since you are dealing face-to-face with some of the very people who contribute to the problem, but please don't give up. You are heroically tackling an age old problem rooted in a tradition of official carelessness and a woeful lack of civic sense among average citizens, so every baby step has huge positive implications for the long term. Please send us the name, title and email address of anyone you want us to contact. I am confident that all of Goanet, local and diaspora, will support you on this, since it is our fellow Goans whose lives are at stake here, if not our own and that of our families when we are visiting Goa. I would like to state The history of government apathy in Goa is frightenning,because it repeats itself with impunity! They wait for calamities,and after the fire fighting is over, Investigating agencies set up stating the guilty will be punished no matter who,and other sanctimonious pronouncements, go back to their sucessful and lucretive old ways. Namely, work in compartments, see that no one can be held responsible, delay action on those of them indicted so time and transfers take care of the rest. There is no proper handing over procedure enforced, so files may not be easily found. It is easy to bury the matter.There are no consequences enforced for bungling, wrong action, lethargy and delays.The huge cost and pain caused to the public is almost irrelevant! 2. Recall the 1986 Mandovi bridge collapse due technical faults, and cracks in the Zuari bridge handling such matters thereafter since then! No lessons learnt, no punishment for officials indicted, collosal waste in finances, no recovery, public and Press have forgotten to follow up, keep up the pressure. Nearer home,I have been trying to follow up on notifications and action to improve traffic discipline on Panaji/Mapusa NH-17. Also some procedure for transferring , handing/taking over by officials, which otherwise brings progress/action to a standstill. Most Urgent and Top Priority on their letter heads mean nothing! .No one asks why the delay, who is responsible, demand an ATR etc. The old Bus shelter is broken( after 10 years), without the new one coming up first. Achievement? Buses still stop as before and now people have to stand in the rain.Our PM is trying desperately to crack the whip to sensitise the bureaucracy and government modus operandi, and it is high time the Goa government gets its act together.My letter to The Chief Secretary sent yesterday is appended below:- . Ref my E mail letter to you Tues May 30, 2006, THE SITUATION REMAINS THE SAME TO DATE. The same old bureaucratic bullshit (sorry Sir,I mean it) that has been used to delay this matter for the last 10 years is repeating itself yet again.Having sucessfully delayed action/implementation till monsoons, it will once again follow the same route.Nandini Paliwal who was following up has been transferred, and if the Collector and CS are kept busy/transferred, we will have to start from scratch again. My letter on government procedures for transfer/handing over are also hanging fire. Departments cant find files/letters and I have given my file for xerox umpteen times to try expedite matters. 2. The monsoons have stopped for quite a while now! Speed breakers can be put with quick drying mixture or when there is a lull in the monsoons. Where there is a will, there is a way. I humbly suggest the PM needs all the help he can get to sensitise the Goa bureaucracy to efficiency. All the departments concerned may please be asked for an ATR on the Minutes of the Meeting held in The Collectorate North Goa on 23/3/06, which spelt out details and deadlines.Your letter should probably end with Nehrus Injunction I AM NOT INTERESTED IN EXCUSES,ONLY WORK DONE. Surely there must be some consequences for non compliance of agreed deadlines whilst public are dying, getting killed/maimed in traffic accidents as a result of such gross apathy! Thanking you, Yours faithfully, John Eric Gomes _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] DEAR AUNTY - No. 9: WEEKLY HUMOR :-))
DEAR AUNTY - No. 9: WEEKLY TOP 12: __ 1. DEAR AUNTY, The U.S. drew Italy with only 9 of 11 men at the World Cup. How?Osama ... Dear Osama:Isn't it obvious ? They're experts at 9/11 ! ___ 2. DEAR AUNTY, Goanet catches all Goan types - old fish, cold fish, goldfish, who debate and argue endlessly on any topic. What is the attraction ??Nettie. Dear Nettie:Well darling, you know..debate catches de fish ! ___ 3. India's national flower is the lotus. What is Goa's own flower ? Fulam. ... Dear Fulam: Alfred Rose. ___ 4. DEAR AUNTY, News: Activists claim foul play behind compensation from govt. Shady folks exploiting the call-girls return to Baina red-light areas. Comment. Shanu. ... Dear Shanu:Too many crooks spoil the broth-el ! ___ 5. DEAR AUNTY, Is it true Aga, the builder's ghost, cracked the Zuari bridge ? Pittu. .. Dea Pittu: Yes, there was too much 'Aga sighing' at one end ! ___ 6. DEAR AUNTY, All businesses in Goa display Sole Proprietor...so so sign in commercial buildings. Why not in religious buildings like churches ? Loiola Dear Loiola: In churches, the Pope is the 'soul' proprietor ! ___ 7. DEAR AUNTY, Was the Indian national anthem actually secretly composed by a Goan? Tagore. Dear Tagore: Yes, it was a Goan aunty - Joana Goana Mana. ___ 8. DEAR AUNTY, News: The Chief Minister has declared 2006 - the year of the farmer. We distribute guddis. Where's best place to celebrate farmer's year? Kisan. ... Dear Kisan: Farmagudi. ___ 9. DEAR AUNTY, I heard you recently visited the Middle East .'Dubai' ? Landis. Dear Landis: Oh yes..lots of clothes ! ___ 10. DEAR AUNTY, Konkani Knock! Knock!' jokes better than English ones. More please! Remy. ... Dear Remy:Knock! Knock!Konn??Aum!!Aum konn?? Arre, pisha..Alziemher's zal re? ___ 11. DEAR AUNTY, I think I love you, I hope you're not married! What's your maiden name? Seby .. Dear Seby: My 'maiden aim' is to stay single, darling ! ___ 12. DEAR AUNTY, My daughter works for the watch company at Verna. Now she wants to marry a drunkard there who will ruin us. Shall I give him tight ? Aristo. Dear Aristo: Better to Titan your daughter's belt first. ___ Disclaimer: No personal replies. Post all problems online.'Goan Life' material all original copyright. Forward with due acknowledgement:-)) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goa Revolution Day /Melinda Coutinho Powell
Hi All, I attended a very interesting meeting hosted by the Cuncolim Civic and Consumer forum, yest June 18th ,Goa Revolution day. After their regular monthly meeting,they had a guest speaker Mr Prajal Sakhardande(Dhempe college History Prof,Goa Heritage Action group) who spoke on After Liberation,are we truly free?.Mr Prajal gave us a background of the freedom struggle,the significance of 18th June,and the fight for lost civil liberties.He threw open questions to the audience on issues of governance,corruption and it was a very interesting interactive session. The fight for liberties must continue today,and each one is responsible for playing their part.We speak and no one listens.Only after repeated protests,there is an impact.More people need to join in the struggle More people need to be aware of what is actually happening in Goa and do something about it.The recent protest at the Zuari bridge where the commuters took to the streets and blocked the bridge ,brought about swift action from the Govt.. Those living abroad and care about Goa (I know many on this forum who do) need to write letters to the editors of different newspapers and shame the Government into doing something constructive. Those living here need to come out of their cosy cocoons and be involved in bringing about change.I also know many on this forum who are doing a lot(political parties,social organisations)of good work ,but my appeal is to the average person who so far has done nothing.Let this be a beginning.Get involved in local issues,your Village Panchayats.,etcAttend Gram Sabha meetings. .Be aware of legislations that are being passed ,dont get fooled by politicians promises - examine,assess,deliberate ,have an opinion.If we want to bring about change,instead of lamenting we need to get involved with issues. Melinda Coutinho Powell _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] The Dangers of certain topics (relating to Churches)
Dear fellow posters, I don't mean to be Chicken Little here, but in a moment I will seem to be. I haven't followed the discussion about Catholic Churches being built atop Hindu temples in its entirety, just in bits and pieces. While I certainly don't want to advise anyone on what to discuss, I think in the political climate that we live in today. Christians have to show some responsibility in the assertions that they make. Perhaps Hindu temples were destroyed. Perhaps churches were built atop temples. All of that happened in the social and political context of that era. We as Christians today, cannot bear responsibility for it. Communal tolerance in Goa today is tenuous to say the least. The air is thick with tension, especially in certain parts of Goa. Two years back even a benign feast like the Bonderan feast was politicised and religious tension stoked. It didn't take long for the Babri Mosque to fall. It won't take long before the legitimacy of our churches is called into question. Yes, it is nice to sit in our NRI lounge chairs and debate about issues, but in our zeal to debate our point of view, let us also show some restraint and responsibility. Elisabeth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Fusion Lounge launched in Goa
The Brown Indian Band formed by bassplayer Colin D'Cruz features accomplished Indian classical musicians in concert with jazz virtuosos. Indian classical music can be compared to jazz as both are forms of improvised music. Indian classical music is linear and uses just one scale (raga) to improvise within a composition whereas jazz has a much broader palette for improvisation where multiple scales can be used to improvise through harmonic changes (chords). Indian classical music however, has some of the world's most complex rhythm structures and subtle quarter tones that add an exciting new dimension to jazz. The Brown Indian Band uses the best of both forms of improvisation to create a chilled out sound of world music. The band's debut album titled 'Fusion Lounge' is available in Goa at Vibes Music in margao and can be purchased worldwide online at www.musicyogi.com. Hear sample sounds from the album at: http://musicyogi.com/asp/idpndDetails.asp?albId=ALB4679 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] GOA FREEDOM FIGHTERS EXIST 60 years later?
Sad but true. You expect the present dispensation to initiate an inquiry and put an end to this tamasha??? Think again. floriano goasuraj [Say NO to SECOND TERM for MLAs] [Say YES to GOA'S OWN HIGH COMMAND] *** GOA SU-RAJ 'ROAD MAP FOR GOA' Page 81. Chapter XXII NEGLECTED CITIZENS. (Excerpts): A thorough review shall be initiated through a settingup of a committee of veteran freedom fighters ofGoa to divest fake entries from the list of freedom fighters. The legitimate freedom fighters should have no objection to such a move which shall go a long way in restoring the much eroded respect for the genuine freedom fighters still living and active as well as saving the exchequer and the tax-payers a lot of financial burden. It is absurd that after 43 years of libaration, more freedom fighters are being registered into this list. New entries into the list of Goa's freedom fighters effected during the rule of the RSS-BJP with active collusion of Goa's then Governor Mr. Kidarnath Sahani shall be reviewed as also those freedom fighters who have been involved in the street and house name plaque vandalism of Mala-Fontainhas , Panjim shall be brought to account. End - Original Message - From: godfrey gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 9:03 PM Subject: [Goanet] GOA FREEDOM FIGHTERS EXIST 60 years later? If a youth at the age of 12 years took part in the freedom movement announced by Dr Ram Manohar Lohia on June 18 in 1946, against the Portuguese rule 60 years ago, he would have been born in the year 1934 and would be 72 years today. It is unbelieveable though that an youth of 12 years would have understood the meaning of a freedom movment considering the fact that many passed out their matriculation then at the age of 22 years. Hence what is shocking is that 60 years thereafter (1946) freedom fighters continue to be honoured on this historic day. This year there were 22 of them But what surprises many is that there is also reservation for children of freedom fighters in the state. Does it mean that freedom fighters born in 1934 and before still have children below the age of 18 years or 22 years to merit such concessions or reservation of seats in educational institutions. Will the Government order an enquiry into these concessions/reservations and put an end to honouring of freedom fighters? GODFREY J I GONSALVES BORDA MARGAO GOA [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9822158584 _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] GOA FREEDOM FIGHTERS EXIST 60 years later?
Valid points, dear Godfrey. Let me tell you how one such Freedom Fighter reportedly became one. The story is not mine. The inimitable Radharao Gracias tells the story how Shambu graduated into a freedom fighter. Shambus wife suffered, almost perennially, from the proverbial headache. So afternoons, after a hearty meal, Shamboo went rambling. Towards the yonder paddies behind his house. Shambu would spot comely Jackin working in the field. He would crouch, cup his hands and call out from the bandh, Oh Jackin, Oh jackin. It so happened that one fine afternoon Agente Monteiro was passing by. He heard Shambus entreaties of Oh Jackin as Jai Hind and promptly our Shamboo was on his way to a Tamrapatra -- and lifelong benefits for self and family, including pension and a slew of State freebies. If one goes by stories of virility, your hypothesis at Para 2 below, may not be valid :-) Regards, Valmiki On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 godfrey gonsalves wrote : Hence what is shocking is that 60 years thereafter (1946) freedom fighters continue to be honoured on this historic day. This year there were 22 of them Does it mean that freedom fighters born in 1934 and before still have children below the age of 18 years or 22 years to merit such concessions or reservation of seats in educational institutions. GODFREY J I GONSALVES _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: Re: Re: [Goanet] Goanet as a learning instrument
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 Mario Goveia wrote : --- Mario Goveia wrote: My suggestion to Goanet is that they should accept paid advertising and remunerate these administrators. Goanet does have paid advertising, doesn't it? (The admins have a sharp eye for unpaid advertising slipped in the guise of free posts - remember the rather unpleasant 'Expressions' episode a few years ago?) But Goanet's paid advertising can hardly boast of any volumes. I suggest paid Matrimonials, in place of the current free compilation. (I should have been the first to place such an ad, but then, it's my grave misfortune that I can no more legally queue in the marriage market!) -Valmiki _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Goa ... and Wikipedia
--- On Sun, June 11, Fred Noronha wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Goa ::: please see and contribute. -FN Mario adds: Fred, Are you aware of the following development at Wikipedia? http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/17/technology/17wiki.html?_r=1ei=5094en=dfa87aba254ab5e7hp=ex=1150516800partner=homepagepagewanted=printoref=slogin Growing Wikipedia Revises Its 'Anyone Can Edit' Policy. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] AICHEA DISSAK CHINTOP - Junachi 19vi, 2006!
Gorgori utram haddam moddinant punn tim kallzam toddtat. (Harsh words break no bones but they do break hearts.) Moi-mogan, Domnic Fernandes Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
