[Goanet] Re: RETIREMENT AGE FOR POLITICIANS - by: Marisa Vaz Loutulim
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Dear Marisa has touched a very sensitive point in our political system. And we think that she is referring to Dr. Wilfred D'Souza when she says that one politician has celebrated his 83rd. birthday in office. Marisa must know that there is certainly some kind of a treasure that these 'matre' (old) politicians do not want youngsters to have. YES ! THE bulging 'UDDERS' in the government that give them immense pleasure to PULL and SUCK at will and strengthen their feeble forearms and their tonsils. Marisa certainly feels that youngsters are more enthusiastic and can do more. SURE! But not the youngsters who are in training (by these politicians) as Sarpanches and Zilla Members. This breed is more destructively enthusiastic then the foggy oldies could ever be. And only through these youngsters can these foggy and foxy oldies rule by proxy until they go six feet in the ground. That is why goasuraj has come out with powerful slogans SAY NO TO SECOND TERM FOR MLAs SAY YES TO GOA'S OWN HIGH COMMAND Let the foggy foxy oldies stay on in politics until they close their eyes. BUT AWAY AND WEANED FROM THE BULGING UDDERS OF THE GOVERNMENT and in their respective party seats as faded 'Ornaments' IF they be tolerated by the younger generation leaders. floriano goasuraj _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Funnymen Goa Policemen
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Elizabeth has defined policing in Goa MOST APPROPRIATELY in just one sentence when she says Can we assume that the robbers or murderers dropped off their jackets at the police station prior to proceeding on their way to rob Mr Mrs Amit Gaunkar? In fact the Goa police has lost their noses to sniff at crimes. They use dogs. Maybe they have lost more than their noses, THEIR SELF RESPECT. We at goasuraj believe that if anyone wishes to join the police force, it is because there is a basic instinct in them for understanding what is right and what is wrong. And not to stop at mere identificaton of right from wrong, the basic instinct must prompt the concerned person to right the wrong. That is police instinct. In Goa, these basic instincts are waylaid when inducting persons into the police force. Never mind if one has those basic instincts or not but what is more important is that they have one or more of the following qualifications. 1. Freedom fighter as the father, uncle, cousin etc whether genuine or fake. 2. Must be able to up the ante in cash against the stipulated price for entry. 3. Must have the capability to bribe a fat politician, fat both in body as well as in mind. And last but not the least, 4. One must be able to sleep around ( if female) or have the qualities of a pimp (if male) so that the higher-ups are well looked after. Has anyone sniffed around a police station in Goa? It smells worst then the whore-house, if you know what I mean. And those who are responsible for this to come by are: Ranes, Parrikars, Khalaps, Narvekars, Shirodkars Luizinhos Churchills and a host of them. Infact, the entire political culture in Goa is responsible for the demoralized and inefficient police force. With these masters calling the shots, the Goa police is but a rubber band with excellent qualities of stretching any way and never breaking. Given Goa Su-Raj an early chance to govern, the Goa police will be walking ram-rod with commanding self-respect. What say you Goa Policemen??? Or you want to crawl indefinately??? Nh! You bet, we shall reverse the present situation whereby Criminals are falling in love with you and honest citizens just hating and despising your hafta taking guts. (Refer to Goa Su-Raj's Road Map for Goa Chapter I -Law and Order - (4) Police at page 21) [Say 'NO' to Second Term for MLAs] [Say 'YES' to Goa's own Command in Goa) floriano goasuraj. - Original Message - From: Elisabeth Carvalho To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 8:27 PM Subject: [Goanet] Funnymen Goa Policemen Is it just me or does anyone else think that Goa police are imbecilic morons? Everytime I read a crime story in Goa, I somehow picture a Bollywood style policemen, wearing Hawaldar pants, twirling his mustache and hoping to come across a villain who utters the infamous line Prem hai mera naam, chori mera kaam. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Goa's Freedom Fighters
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- If genuine freedom fighters are alive then they must surrender their Tamrapatras in protest against the creation of fake freedom fighters by Rane Government as did earlier by BJP and MGP. A. Veronica The post is much appreciated. And I , as the party's spokesperson second this proposal of Veronica Fernandes whole heartedly and call upon Freedom Fighters Shri. Bonifacio Dias of Mapusa and Shri. Lambert Mascarenhas of La Marvel Colony, Dona Paula to rise to the occasion and fling (not return) the tamrapatras ( if they are the recepients) back in the lap of Pratapsing Rauji Rane, for him to do the next best thing with them. This singular action by these two senior Goa's freedom fighters will send a red signal to the rest of the hypocrite frieedom fighters who are being unwanted suckers on Goa and Goans. Veronica need not doubt Goa Su-Raj Party's resolve. This Party's very existance is to 'RIGHT THE WRONGS' no matter who gets hurt. When it will ultimately hold the reins of Goa's government, the fake and the hypocrite freedom fighters will be better off running back to Mumbai via Sawantwadi or elsewhere, for they will have to pay back every naya paisa they have received fraudulently in the name of being Goa's freedom fighters. The first among them will be Shri. Flaviano Dias, since the history of what freedom fighting he has done is all too well recorded on the books of the Goa Su-Raj Party along with other major hypocrites and loudmouths. Most importantly Flaviano Dias' role in the rain child of Manohar Parrikar's VCD on Goa's Freedom struggle will not be forgotten nor forgiven. floriano goasuraj [SAY NO TO SECOND TERM FOR MLAS] [SAY YES TO GOA'S OWN COMMAND IN GOA] _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] GOA FREEDOM FIGHTERS EXIST 60 years later?
Sad but true. You expect the present dispensation to initiate an inquiry and put an end to this tamasha??? Think again. floriano goasuraj [Say NO to SECOND TERM for MLAs] [Say YES to GOA'S OWN HIGH COMMAND] *** GOA SU-RAJ 'ROAD MAP FOR GOA' Page 81. Chapter XXII NEGLECTED CITIZENS. (Excerpts): A thorough review shall be initiated through a settingup of a committee of veteran freedom fighters ofGoa to divest fake entries from the list of freedom fighters. The legitimate freedom fighters should have no objection to such a move which shall go a long way in restoring the much eroded respect for the genuine freedom fighters still living and active as well as saving the exchequer and the tax-payers a lot of financial burden. It is absurd that after 43 years of libaration, more freedom fighters are being registered into this list. New entries into the list of Goa's freedom fighters effected during the rule of the RSS-BJP with active collusion of Goa's then Governor Mr. Kidarnath Sahani shall be reviewed as also those freedom fighters who have been involved in the street and house name plaque vandalism of Mala-Fontainhas , Panjim shall be brought to account. End - Original Message - From: godfrey gonsalves [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 9:03 PM Subject: [Goanet] GOA FREEDOM FIGHTERS EXIST 60 years later? If a youth at the age of 12 years took part in the freedom movement announced by Dr Ram Manohar Lohia on June 18 in 1946, against the Portuguese rule 60 years ago, he would have been born in the year 1934 and would be 72 years today. It is unbelieveable though that an youth of 12 years would have understood the meaning of a freedom movment considering the fact that many passed out their matriculation then at the age of 22 years. Hence what is shocking is that 60 years thereafter (1946) freedom fighters continue to be honoured on this historic day. This year there were 22 of them But what surprises many is that there is also reservation for children of freedom fighters in the state. Does it mean that freedom fighters born in 1934 and before still have children below the age of 18 years or 22 years to merit such concessions or reservation of seats in educational institutions. Will the Government order an enquiry into these concessions/reservations and put an end to honouring of freedom fighters? GODFREY J I GONSALVES BORDA MARGAO GOA [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9822158584 _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Floriano's Sunday Ramblings-7
A creature of routine, that, I am not. Therefore this piece is coming after a gap. Doing a routine piece, week after week is a lot of pressure on the mind and the spare time too. First time in my life I tried to do a routine job of doing a piece, wonder of wonders, it lasted for almost 6 months which is 24 weeks (my G'waud!). That was the Goan Observer. But the reason it lasted for that long is because I had taken it as a 'challenge'. But that is another ball game altogether, better forgotten than talked about. Mostly I like to be free and never tied down. Coming to the immediate present and the near future, the anticipated demise of the Zuari Bridge does not come to me as a surprise. In fact the people of Goa must consider it as a bonus, (I mean) it's standing there intact, hour by hour for this long. And it is inevitable that it should go down someday for the most sloppy job I have seen, considering that I have traveled far and wide in India and abroad. And I have already said a small prayer in advance for those who will be unlucky to be pulled down with it. For, this is also inevitable as we are painfully aware that bridges and bunds do demand a pint of fresh blood now and again, and we Goans have not forgotten about 'KHAUTEKARS' of yore. According to this age old Goan belief, little boys and girls used to go missing, finding themselves as sacrificial lambs to keep the bunds, the manoses (sluice-gates) the Poools (bridges culverts) standing with an infusion of fresh young blood. Maybe the situation has changed and the taste is for older, matured blood. It could be even mine. Who knows?? I would gladly donate a pint or two of my aging blood just to keep the family name up and intact. After all, it was late Engineer Urban Lobo (Pirazona-Moira-La Marvel Colony, Dona Paula) who built this bridge and he happens to be my what ! , ninth tenth in the line cousin??? Hell! Who wants to count, as long as he was a Lobo??? (Incidentally his father's name was Averthan) This particular preoccupation (about the Zuari bridge) has warranted my writing about a world class 'SUSPENSION BRIDGE' from the Dona Paula plateau to (near) Dabolim airport. It is found in the 'Road Map for Goa', the Goa Su-Raj Party's elaborate insight to Goa's future [Page 36 Chapter III -6(e)] under Bridges Fly-overs. Maybe Urban Lobo will find satisfaction that his bloodline is thinking of improving on his failed project in a better and classic way without being a Civil engineer. And it is an universally accepted fact that one need not be a Civil Engineer or an IIT'an Metallurgist to build bridges and drainage systems and pavements. At times, simple lay people with a load of commonsense can do a much better job than these 'high funda' spewing experts if the money earmarked for the job goes into the job and not the cavernous pockets. And I found it funny for our over enthusiastic Panchayat Minister Mr. Subash Shirodkar, to spend tax-payer's good money to put advertisements on the newspapers about collection of plastics from villages, where a simple circular to the respective panchayats would have done the trick. 'POPULARITY ' thy name is 'SHAME' As if this was not enough, he goes on further to implore with his Sarpanchas through newspaper headlines to 'work hard'. If I was Subash Shirodkar, more particularly the Panchayat minister, I would have parceled a pick-axe and a showel to each of the Sarpanchas, because, to effect a transition from 'hardly working' mode to 'work hard' mode, it does need the aid of this particular set of tools, especially when your village gutters have never flet the cutting edge of these two implements in years, in spite of they (Sarpanchas) being paid big fat salaries of late. But then one would have thought that the monthly salaries would pacify the unslaked thirst to make more money. And it is not new that every occupancy certificate is a milch cow for the panchayats. I do hope Subash Shirodkar will get to read this. But then, what of it? He himself has been milking fatter cows and has grown muscles in his forearms doing just that. In'it??? And if anything is giving me sleepless nights or rather fitful nights, it is the GOAN HERITAGE. Goans worldwide seem to be getting paranoid at the thought of losing it, when all their lives they have helped to push it over the brink. And according to me there are just two things that connects the Goan umbilical chord to the Goan Heritage. (1) Comunidades of Goa and (2) Goan Tiatrists. Mai bhas Konkani was supposed to be in the forefront but it was allowed to be pissed upon by Goans themselves who loved Konkani's Mauxi more than mai bhas itself, so much so, Konkani is soiled by the drying stains of the Maratha urine. And the credit goes to the white-haired lion and the lioness of the 'MGP' fame who are still at it with the inclusion of English as a subject from Standard I in the Primary section. And after my appeal to Goans at the Menezes Braganza
Re: [Goanet] Talibanisation of Goa./To Mr Floriano
Indeed, thank you very much, Elizabeth. Lets keep in touch for Goa. floriano PS. Re: DVC - tks5/5. - Original Message - From: Elisabeth Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Talibanisation of Goa./To Mr Floriano Dear Mr Floriano, Likewise I am a great admirer of yours, although I do not warrant your reciprocal admiration. You, Sir are a doer and are doing much good for Goa. You are the alternative voice that Goa needs. It is unfortunate that a grass-roots movement such as yours will take a long time to grow in Goa but the seed has been planted. I have been looking for a link, where contributions to your party are welcomed. I will also encourage other NRIs to read about your party and support you as much as possible. As I side note, I really admired your stance on the Da Vinci Code. Elisabeth __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Talibanisation of Goa.
Dear Elizabeth, I have admired your postings which exudes 'forceful mind' Even then I have refrained from commenting on any of your postings. I am a thoroughbred Goan who had the opportunity to vist many a shores in the world for 25 years of my working life,and I have decided (a long time ago) that Goa must nurture its all Goan culture, traditions and heritage to make it the pride for Goans to boast about. You just Terrified? Naaah! You should be much much more than that. Because, it will not only be Salwar Kameezes, it will be more. For Goa is being gobbled left right and centre. And who is doing it? OUR MOST CHERISHED CONGRESS PARTY OF LADY SONIA GANDHI High in Command and the collection of mergerists who have taken a strangle-hold of the Congress in Goa. And who brought in the BJP? Not the Congress???, the Mergerists Remember goasuraj is lying in wait for people just like you to wake up and look for an alternative. As the saying about 'Mountain and the Mohammed' goes, my interpretation is that the Mountain does not and will not go to Mohammed. Mohammed has to go to the Mountain. And Mohammed will go to the Mountain only if Mohammed finds the acute need to do so. Likewise, Goans will be looking for a Mountain to go to when the stink reaches up to their noses and threatens to suck them in. The time is not yet come. But as you have expressed yourself, it is coming fast and at a much faster rate than generally understood. Just remember one thing though. The Mountain that Goans will be running to is solidly positioned itself confidently. It is the GOA SU-RAJ PARTY. If you have not visited our website please do glance at Art. 34, 38 and 41 of our party's Constitution and download our Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org Only then you will realise that the Mountain has been there for the last 6 years for Goans to make a run to. I might sound arrogant at this stage but we at goasuraj do not care. The situation demands that we be. I say that Goans have no one in the political arena but goasuraj, if they do not want to go down the drain. And we at goasuraj would care less how Goans want to place themselves, either way. with kind regards. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Elisabeth Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Monday, June 12, 2006 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Talibanisation of Goa. Dear Preetam, Thank you for posting this article. I too read it and then lost the link, and tried unsuccessfully to retrieve it. I find it totally abhorrent that girls are being made to wear the Salwar Kameez as a school uniform in Goa. In the article, it stated that the Salwar Kameez would be more suitable for sports and other physical activities. Oh really? Have the education authorities in Goa tried to do physical exercise dressed in a Salwar Kameez? Have they tried to run a marathon, jump hurdles, play football in a Salwar Kammeez? I can well imagine girls who desperately want to excel in sports now being told that they will have to fully cover themselves, let their sweat trap in these garments giving them rash and other unfathomable diseases. I can imagine these and all girls of school going age, ever so subtlety being discouraged and dissuaded from assuming that they are equal to men. What is going on in Goa? Are we taking 10 steps backwards in every direction? I am not only ashamed, I am actually terrified for Goa. Elisabeth --- --- Preetam Raikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Recently, I was astonished to read an article on the local Goan english newspaper on the Higher Secondary Schools change of uniform to Salwar Kameez. I request the Eduacational authorithies not to strictly impose the dress code to Salwar Kameez. Its the full right of the students to wear dresses, skirts or whatever they like, so long as they don't breach the moral standards. The subtle ideas of this Salwar Kameez idealogy is the 'outsider' influence that is now threathening the very social fabric of the native Goans. Today no skirts, tommorow no Jeans. Preetam Raikar _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] The Church, the Politicians, the Movie the Audience
Re: [Goanet] The Church, the Politicians, the Movie the Audience I must commend Joe for this input. The press statement that I released for goasuraj as its spokesperson during the initial days of the controversy (and which was not published in the print media [English] as far as I know) simplY said this: QUOTE Sir, Sub: Press Note Re: Da Vinci Code Film Controversy. The Goa Su-Raj Party strongly believes in the separation of Politics from Religion since Religion is a private matter of the people and Governments should concern themselves with governance only. Therefore, the Party strongly denounces the involvement of the present Rane Government in this controversial religious sentiments of the section of the Goan people with regard to the 'Da Vinci Code' international film release. The Governments have a role to play in such matters and that role is to keep an eye on things that may result in the attempts by the unruly at destabilizing the peaceful routine of the State and its people. UNQUOTE Yesterdays meeting at the Panjim Church Hall would have been a God sent opportunity for me to exercise my tonsils and give the 'catholic' community more fuel in the bellies to burn more. But no. I believe that I am in politics ( to whatever extent it may be) and I represent an ideology which does not believe in religion mixing with politics. Therefore I couldn' t have been present for this meeting. As joe has said, this is nothing but VOTE BANK POLITICS wih Churchill Alemao the flag bearer. And we expect GOANS to be sensible ! Add to this the CHRISTMAS TEA PARTY that the Church of Goa held for the Politicos. What a way to forge ahead ! And the good BIBLE tells us that JESUS got CRUCIFIED because he TAUNTED politicians and DROVE away unrully business people from the Temple of GOD. Could the word 'unrully' which is repeated twice above be placed on the right shoulders? floriano - Original Message - From: JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 2:47 PM Subject: [Goanet] The Church, the Politicians, the Movie the Audience The Church, the Politicians, the Movie the Audience I have a question to you all. Which one of the following categories/protest movements you think should come under Church jurisdiction ? Konkan Railway Agitation Anti-Metha Strip Movement Protest against the release of the film 'Da Vinci Code' in Goa My definite Ans would be: C 'All Christians are like a ship manned (Captained) by the Church' but in Goa, it seems the whole ship is manned by the politicians It also seems, sometimes, our Church is Goa does our Politicians' work/role and our Politicians do the work/role of our Church. Or else, why not the church distribute handbills and circulars to the public at its parishes as it did during Konkan Railway Agitation ? Why no 'human chain Strike' organized as it did KR Agitation ? What about those priests who openly said 'we would fight tooth nail to stop Metha Strips near Verna ? Or could it be the Church gives its backing or blessings to the Politicians etc from hiding ? If so, why ? If it can come open on other Goa development or anit-development schemes, why not on this one (DVC) ? What about the so called Diocesan Committee for.. Social Justice and action? Jesus died for us. Are we afraid to die for Him ? Or could it be the Church is so busy organizing another protest movement say on Mopa Airport, or perhaps, the proposed 6-lane Expressway which is aligned parallel to existing Konkan Railway Route ? Or could it be the church 'okayed' the DVC release in Goa ? Perhaps, based on. 'CATHOLICS BISHOPS COUNCIL OF INDIA (CBCI) HAS ALREADY TAKEN A DECISION ON THE FILM AFTER VIEWING IT AND THE I B MINISTRY HAS ACCORDINGLY GIVEN CLEARANCE FOR THE FILM' (PTI) 'Church's silence is politicians' advantage' - thus giving them the chance to exploit the whole issue which in turn gives them political mileage to build up their vote banks etc. DVC may be stopped at Inox, but can any one stop the sale or distribution of DVDs or VCDs of the film ? (pirated VCDs out already) . At Inox, one person pays Rs.120 but Rs.150 or less ( or free) for up to 10 to watch at home and this could even include those under 18 (as DVC given Cert. A by the Indian censor board). In most Goan households, each child has its own pvt. bedroom with own Pc or Computer with CD/DVD drive, curiosity may tempt them to watch the movie behind the closed doors. What's in the Movie ? No Jesus is shown (except in the portrait of 'Last Supper' a crucifix before a priest), No Maria Magdalene is shown. No Sex scenes are shown (not even remember seeing a simple kiss), No horror scenes are shown despite it was given Cert. A (Adults). However, when the old man explains about the (fictional) Jesus' Pvt. Life, it did appear there is an act of blasphemy but again it was said purely fictional and whether
Re: [Goanet] Re: DAVID VERSUS GOLIATH
and you forgot your very own VIVA G O A. - Original Message - From: Anthony and Nolette de Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 3:16 AM Subject: [Goanet] Re: DAVID VERSUS GOLIATH I repeat: Timor Leste is the only Catholic country in the world which has a Muslim Prime Minister. Timor's duly elected Prime Minister is Mari Alkatiri who is a great patriot and leader. During the Indonesian Occupation of Timor, he spent a long period in exile in Mozambique where he used his political knowhow and knowledge of the Portuguese language to promote the Timorese cause. Senhor Mari Alkatiri is no lackey of Australia: he is fighting for a better deal for the rich oil and gas deposits in the Sea of Timor. Due to this, he is considered '[difficult' by the Government of Australia which prefers to negotiate with Timor's Foreign Minister Senhor Ramos Horta or President Xanana Gusmao* whom it regards as mild and meek. There is a danger, however, in Australia's taking advantage of their good nature. *Besides being the President of Timor Leste, Xanana Gusmao is a great poet and philosopher. After he was captured and jailed by Indonesia**, Gusmao did not waste his time iin idleness but wrote poetry (in Portuguese) in his cell as a form of escapeism. **Many Non-Whites are brainwashed to believe that Imperialism is solely White. This is a blatant lie: Imperialism today may be:- Brown (e.g., Indonesia's Occupation of West Papua, India's Occupation of Goa) + Black (Nigeria's Occupation of Biafra) + Yellow (e.g., China's Occupation of Tibet). Anyway, WE SHALL OVERCOME! Martinho de Souza, 14 Chuculba Crescent Giralang 2617 AUSTRALIA Phone # + 02 6241 4440 VIVA PORTUGAL! VIVA MOZAMBIQUE! VIVA TIMOR LESTE! _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Floriano's Sunday Ramblings-6
And 2006 Monsoons seem to be giving Goans the early labour pains. Of course, the respite is welcome to a greater extent but the Panchayats and the Municipalities seem to have been caught with their pants down. If it were the COMUNIDADES instead of Panchayats and Municipalities today, our gutters would be already spruced up, our river bunds would be fortified against breaches etc. etc. Take the capital city of Panjim for instance. I happened to be driving for a wedding reception at the Mandovi Riviera Saturday evening. Not being able to avoid the function, I set out late for a quick touching of cheeks, handshakes, patting backs , hugs and the inevitable, the wining and dining which happens to be the most important item on the list of all else. My good wife thought that our entry after 10 p.m. would be too late and too obvious of our intents. Nevertheless, at the new patto bridge, Panjim end, where it had become a mini lake, a zooming Qualis gave us both an excellent second of the evening drenching down. I was lucky not to be wearing the coat. At Riviera, no parking space was available anywhere, not because of the already occupied spots, but because of water logging, the debris and the trash floating on the curb. At this time Panjim looked like it was hit by a tsunami. What I still fail to understand is 'how can so much water get collected on the road adjoining the Mandovi River'. The only consolation we got was that the 'wedding march' was being announced as we entered the venue and the day was saved, more so, because I could dry myself with a glass in hand, watching the Caravela and imagining lakhs being spread out and conjuring up images of the concerned or happy faces across its gambling tables. The state of affairs of our dear Goa can be best described as 'sick - dying - dead' Ad it was a sweet surprised when Hector Fernandes, the ex-President of Aldona Comunidade called me on Friday, to tell me that my name was included on the list of speakers at the seminar on Comunidades organized by the ASSOCIATION OF COMPONENTES of Comunidades of Goa, to be held at the Menezes Braganza Hall on Sunday, 28 May, at 4 p.m.. And I was quick to accept the offer since an opportunity like this would be 'God Sent' not only to promote the Goa Su-Raj Party that I represent but to cut down the cut throats and traitor 'mergerist' politicians who are hell bent on destroying our Goan Heritage that is still keeping our identity as GOANS intact. And what Hector told me was sweet music to my ears especially when I had received Rs. thirty in my own hands as the first ever ZONO (Zhon) in my entire life as the share-holder and a proud member of my Moira Comunidade in its 'DUSRO VANGODH'. And the sleepy deliveries (except that of Adv Bernard D 'Souza) before me, made me all the more raring to go. And my first opening statement which some in the audience took as 'snide' remark was actually to congratulate a few women in the congregation dominated by mostly GAUNKARS, for being there at all. And I took special care not to address these women as GAUNKARS since they are excluded from the share-holding of the Comunidades, but welcomed them as non GAUNKARS in this age of the 'EMPOWERMENT OF WOMEN' so that note may be taken when next amending the 'CODE OF COMUNIDADES' to include the married women folk as equal GAUNKARS with their spouses and their male children. And I concentrated on the non legal aspects of saving the Comumidades of Goa to give the GAUNKARS a shot in the arm not to remain passive and disconnected any more. To counter Dr. J.C. Almeida's defeatist attitude of 'IT IS TOO LATE' and Adv. Bernard D' Souza's mild 'IT IS NEVER TOO LATE', I told Gaunkars that 28 May 2006 should go down in the History of Goa as the day number ONE in the fight to wrench back Goa's Comunidades from the clutches of the mergerists and looters to restore the long denied 'autonomy' in their functioning. And to warm the sagging hearts of the Gaunkars, I gave them two practical advices. One - 'that if they cannot fight them, to join them at the level of the Legislative Assembly and in so doing, cut their throats and throw them out from the Legislative Assembly' and Two - ' to take the advice of the manufacturers of 'netlon' who promote their product through the TV ads ZOVARI (mosquitoes) TUMKAM BOSSONK-NIDUNK DINANT? TOR TUMI TAMKAM GHARA-BAIRUSH KITEAK DOURINANT? 'N E T L O N'. And I coupled this with an emotive call to the prominent and concerned Comuninade lovers like Policarpo D'Souza, Adv. Andre Pereira and to John Philip Pereira of Nagoa (who was the Goa Su-Raj Party's candidate for Loutolim in 2002 elections) and others who are working tirelessly to save the Comunidades, to come forward to contest elections to sideline these mergerist HYENAS naming them as Rane, Narvekar, Ravi, Shirodkar (missing to name another mega mergerist Ramakant Khalap). And I flashed to the audience the Goa Su-Raj Party's ROAD MAP FOR GOA
[Goanet] Floriano's Sunday Ramblings-5
And I must extend my apologies to Khuswant Singh-ji for writing about his write-up in my last Sunday's Ramblings (4) and crediting it to an unknown 'Kuldip Singh'. They say time and tide waits for no man. Could it be that 'age' is catching up with me? Hopefully it will be charitable on the part of the 'age' to keep 'senility' enough away from me, more so in the light of many of our senior most super-politicians having been severely affected. And the 'Da Vinci Code' has burst enough gall bladders in our Country, more specifically in Goa and 'amchi Mumbai', than in the nation which constitutes 95% Catholic Christians.. 'POLAND', the land which has produced at least one Pope. Me think, at the rate things are going on, the world will soon be divided between 'Catholic Christians' and 'Pseudo Catholic Christians' just like L K Advani came up with brilliant 'Seculars' and 'Pseudo Seculars'. And I have always wondered why Catholics call themselves 'Catholics' and not plain and simple 'Christians' if they are so much in love with Christ. For my part, I have, over the good many years of international roaming, coined a one word phrase 'INTERNATIONAL' when anyone asks me about my faith. And it is fun to see how this baffles them. And as according to Amulya Ganguli (FN-Goanet), the 'Da Vinci Code' is giving the Catholics in India the FUNDAMENTALIST VIRUS more than it is giving the Christians of the world. Perhaps they will now be telling the Christian world that what 'Jesus Christ' meant when 'He' raised the TOAST at his 'Last Supper' and said DO THIS IN MEMORY OF ME is in fact a goad-on for themselves to pick up a fight with idiots who choose to defame 'Him' and 'His' name, by giving away millions of Rupees, $ et Euros for their worthless heads rather than to stand up for the truth, non-boisterously, like 'He' did it when he was nailed to the CROSS. And I have always enjoyed asking some of those who pride themselves as the sworn body-guards of Christ Himself as to what Christ must have meant when he said those words, I mean, 'Do this in memory of Me', if He might not have meant some other profound thing of value rather than the indulgence into the 'Elbow Exercise' on everyday basis. And it is a pity that the 'Inox' in Panjim has lost making rupees one hundred plus from me, since I had planned to see 'Da Vinci Code' in its much talked about luxurious comfort, which comfort I have missed all this while due to my very own boycott of the venue for reasons of a very equation. Manohar Parrikar wanted to promote INOX, with or without his brain-child, IFFI-2004. And I have fought that idea from the depths of my bones, him making use of Goa and Goans for his private passion. And Mr. A Veronica (Kuwait) has made his point twice in his write-up Churchill Alemao and Kuwaitkars (Goanet). But my interest in this write-up has nothing to do with Churchill Alemao. Needless to say that I just love the 'To Hell With You terminology which Veronica has used to make his point. That makes two of us who find its use more relaxing besides being a maha-problem-heartache solver. To quote Veronica (1) THEN I SAID TO MY COLLEAGUES 'TO HELL WITH THIS BISHOP and (2) WHEN I THINK OF ALL THESE EVENTS, I SAY 'TO HELL WITH THESE CARMELITES AND BISHOP MECHALLEF'. Recently, when one English newspaper editor told me that if I chose to be 'arrogant', he will close his doors to me (i.e. my party, whose current spokesperson I am, just because I had called his bluff for not publishing our press statements over a period of time). That is the time I have chosen to tell him TO GO TO HELL, in other words, 'take your paper and shove it' . In the same context, many years ago, when another editor of another prominent newspaper had told me Do something and show and I will publish your press statements, I had retorted back (which this God Almighty, at that time, didn't like) to tell him Yes, I will show you in good time. Of that be rest assured. But remember one thing. You will not get people dancing naked in front of you to attract your attention. Take my word for it. In other words I had told him to go to hell. (By the way this one is no more the God Almighty he thought he was). Yet again, many years ago, during the Meta Strips agitation and before I had joined active politics, yet another prominent editor was told by me to behave as his master's dog does, which he was, to bark when asked to and shut up when required to, when he made a very derogatory remark on Goans in general in his edit. This same editor was recently accused of molesting a child domestic when he was giving sanctimonious lectures to the world against 'Child Molestations' in his edits. We can hardly see guilty being brought to books when they are the influential editors of newspapers. The central idea of my talking about this is that one needs to do one's part, efficiently, faithfully and dedicatedly. If newspaper editors think that by publishing press statements or
[Goanet] Fw: PRESS NOTE - RE: 'DA VINCI CODE'
- Original Message - From: floriano To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:48 PM Subject: PRESS NOTE - RE: 'DA VINCI CODE' May 18, 2006 To, The Editor, Herald, Panjim-Goa. Via e-mail Sir, Sub: Press Note Re: Da Vinci Code Film Controversy. The Goa Su-Raj Party strongly believes in the separation of Politics from Religion since Religion is a private matter of the people and Governments should concern themselves with governance only. Therefore, the Party strongly denounces the involvement of the present Rane Government in this controversial religious sentiments of the section of the Goan people with regard to the 'Da Vinci Code' international film release. The Governments have a role to play in such matters and that role is to keep an eye on things that may result in the attempts by the unruly at destabilizing the peaceful routine of the State and its people. The Goa Su-Raj Party believes that the Religious Leaders are capable of isolating the faithful from fiction based controversies such as 'Da Vinci Code', relying on the strength in the matters of long standing Faith and Beliefs. And the best way to react to such cheap controversies is to totally ignore them and leave them to die a natural death. The Goa Su-Raj Party believes that it is these uproars and unwarranted organized oppositions that give massive boosts to cheap works such as these, undoing the downplay and the irreversible damage caused to them by bad reviews by the film critics, an inbuilt system which does not allow box office benefits to be reaped by sub-standard works put in place to do just that by playing on the deep sentiments of millions concerned. In this case, the Christian Church will do better in instilling a sense of pride in its rank and file the world over by way of reminding its faithful that its Beliefs have withstood the test of time of over 20 centuries and will continue to do so in spite of insignificant forays like 'Da Vinci Code' on its Person. Thanking you, Yours faithfully, Sd/- (Floriano C. Lobo) Spokesperson _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Floriano's Sunday Ramblings-4
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- It was quite an eventful past week since it took me out of Goa in a long long time. And the thought of having to make a dash to Bombay for any reason whatsoever has been like wanting to run the other way. The very thought of keeping a clean and scented kerchief ready to hide the nose once landed there to avoid all sorts of smells starting from Sion and the onward journey through the dreaded Dharavi was revolting. Naturally, I am talking of a bus trip to Bombay So this time when I had to make a dash to now Mumbai for a day for a business meet, I fortified myself saying that it was only for a day. But when I landed at Sion via the expensive Volvo, things looked different. In fact things smelled different. Moreover, at 9.00 a.m. there was no choking air pollution. Clean! When I passed through Dharavi, I forgot I had to tie up my face. Still no smell. In fact Dharavi didn't look like Dharavi at all with the normal sight of people doing their job on the roadsides. Later, my brother would tell me that should I visit Dharavi a year from now, I would fail to recognize it as Dharavi. The day, of course, was all surprises. Clean air against all expectations. CNG?. And to find this clean atmosphere in good old Mumbai, I would have thought it was bordering on the impossible. I would find Mapusa, Margao, Ponda, Vasco and even Panjim more polluted, dirty and stinking than anywhere I happened to be in Mumbai, which was South of Santa Cruz. And I positively failed to spot a single piece of plastic or a plastic wrapped 'potli' (parcel) lying quietly along the roadside like we find umpteen of them everywhere in Goa. And unlike our roads in Goa, even in Panjim city, the roads in Mumbai are clean swept and one fails to even notice a street sweeper anywhere in sight after 7 a.m. unlike in Goa, where our municipal cleaners observe bank timings. And the traffic movement was swift and easy with all those fly-overs which makes Bombay not look like good old Bombay or Mumbai at all. And it was a blessed surprise for me to have been moving on the 2.5 kilometer fly-over in the heart of Commercial Mumbai Central area, the longest one I have traveled on, except in Bangkok or in Lagos, Nigeria, etc. And all the time since my entry into Mumbai, I was troubled by just one question. Why not Goa? If Mumbai could be transformed into something like this for me to appreciate it and force me to eat my previous revulsion at the same time, my thoughts immediately moved over to Sanjay Dutt. For I, at that time, could have convinced him to hand over to me his AK-47, if he still had it with him, so I could come to Goa bindass, like Praveen Mahajan, and have a field day spilling the garbage at its prestigious dumping site - The New Legislative Secretariat at Porvorim. Hopefully, Sanjay Dutt will start doing just that, the next time he comes a shooting at the Associacao Academica grounds at Moira just like Shakti Kapoor did it on the lawns of the Marriot in Panjim a fortnight or so ago. And the Amma from Chennai must be feeling sorry all over for having lost her cradle to her old, wily, dark glasses wearing detractor. But most of all she must be feeling sorrier for having spent all that foreign exchange to supply all the TN workers, working in labour camps of Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Kuwait what have you, with telephone cards to call back home and convince the folks at home that they should vote for Amma dearest. Maybe she should have offered Mercedes Benz's and cute looking brides to these gentlemen to compete with the dark glasses wearing naughty boy who gave not only the telephone cards but also colour TVs, fifteen thousand bucks per marriage and a bagful of rice at Rs. 2/- per kg. The important thing to watch now is the population explosion that will have poor Amma grounded for good in time to come. If Sonia Gandhi had the effrontery to resign from her Lok Sabha seat to hide from the Office of Profit and come up a winner with a margin of over 4 lakh votes, all at the cost of stupid taxpayers like me, then there is nothing left in this country that is worth calling democratic politics. And for sure, Mrs. Das Munshi, who won her seat to keep company to her husband as a high profile Cong Man, must be feeling elated that at least one of her subjects has not only voted for her but has been ready to break his head like a narial (coconut), falling prostate at her feet in public view, and console
[Goanet] Fw: Your Editorial of May 10, 2006 captioned 'Offices of Profit' FOR KIND ATTN. MR. ARUN SINHA
- Original Message - From: Goa Su-Raj Party To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 5:28 PM Subject: RE: Your Editorial of May 10, 2006 captioned 'Offices of Profit' FOR KIND ATTN. MR. ARUN SINHA May 12, 2006 To, The Editor, Navhind Times, Navhind Bhavan, Panjim-Goa. Dear Sir, Subject: Your Editorial of May 10, 2006 captioned 'Offices of Profit' This is to inform you that the Goa Su-Raj Party wants you to know that your above cited editorial is much appreciated, particularly, when you say: Quote- It is imperative in the greater interest of the polity and country that senior politicians publicly express shame for these violations. It would be highly improper on their part to make a legislation to protect politicians currently holding offices of profit. Unquote Sad to say but the politicians that you are calling on above are not likely to show any shame. Rather, they will fight like cocks to maintain what they have themselves worked hard to lavish on themselves. The reason we are writing to you on this excellent topic of 'Offices of Profit' is because this insignificant Party, for all practical purposes, did think in terms of eliminating the 'Offices of Profit' w.r.t. the elected representatives of the people which were seen as out of place in a DEMOCRACY. There were several brain-storming sessions which took place in Panjim, starting with the International Center, Dona Paula, in January, 2000, not to form a political party, mind you, but superior citizens of Goa were invited to take part in these sessions in order to identify key reasons why our Goan politics was becoming more and more self-centred so that something could be done about it by us as electors. The catalyst for this getting together was Francisco Sardinha, who not only exited from his long standing Congress Party but also took the RSS-BJP of Manohar Parrikar into confidence to take a seat of the Maha Office of Profit. And when we say that superior citizens were invited, Mr. Srinivas Dempo was prominently placed on that list of invitees, whom we believe to be the Owner of the Navhind Times. The key reasons having been identified in these painstaking, lengthy and inconvenient sessions, the main being the inferior 'Offices of Profit' by way of gifts of Chairmanships to MLAs who counld'nt secure Cabinet berths, these Cabinet berths being the superior 'Offices of Profit' , both of which having been tackled suitably i.e. one having been completely eliminated and the other cut to size, it was felt that there would be no takers for these, and it would be a waste of time to push these down the throats of our politicians. Therefore the Goa Su-Raj Party was born to give teeth to these master slayers. You will have noticed that a lot of stringent electoral requirements have come forth since the year 2000 from the Election Commission of India and are continually improving. The first is the requirement that candidates mandatorily file their affidavits declaring their assets, liabilities and criminal antecedents. During the 2002 Assembly Elections, this requirement was not around. But when the Goa Su-Raj Party fielded eight candidates in these elections, all candidates were required to file such affidavits as the Party's requirement. And copies of these affidavits were sent to the Election Commission of India, New Delhi, for information. The Party also made sure that its Constitution was sent to the Justices of the Hon'ble Supreme Court besides the Election Commission of India where-in the Articles 34 (Cabinet size of 5), Article 38 (No Chairmanships to MLAs) and Article 41 ( No Amendments) were high-lighted. And the Goa Su-Raj Party will not be wrong in taking pride in believing that however insignificant the Party may be or thought to be, it has shown the way for better governance, good governance having been rubbished to no end with the likes of India Shining' of late Pramod Mahajan of the RSS-BJP. Our sole intention in pointing out these things to you as above, is for you to know the reason why we appreciate what you have rightly said in your excellent editorial. It simply sums up to where there is will, there is a way Thanking you, for Goa Su-Raj Party. Sd/- Floriano C. Lobo Gen. Secretary/Spokesperson Copy to: Goanet; The Goan Forum. Copy to: www.goasu-raj.org _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: garbage problem
Joel, I suggest you make arrangements to have your Cuncolim Garbage bag dumped at High or Low seas and I shall certainly find ways to dump the Aldona Garbage in the nearest receptable. Together let us start the dumping process once and for all to give the lead to other 38 places to dump theirs. floriano goasuraj Check-out the Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org Chapter III (9)(e) Garbage Disposal. - Original Message - From: Joel Moraes GARBAGE PROBLEM Garbage is all around the world but it's not a problem for all of them because they know how to deal with it. Being a sailor, I also know a lot about garbage. Garbage at sea has got different categories and one cannot dump garbage where they want at sea and in places like U.S. and Europe non- compliance of garbage regulations is considered as a mojor offence and apart from a fine the responsible person can be jailed for the non- compliance with the garbage regulations. In a place like one time very beautifull state of Goa, there is no system as far as the garbage problem is concerned. We need people to deal with it but the concerned people are themselves is a top class garbage and how we can expect garbage to solve the grabage related problems which Goa is severely facing now. I m talking about the top 40 high pollutants of GOA and only after the inceneration(burning of garbage into ash at sea ) of these pollutants the garbage problem will be sorted. I personally feel the best dumpying yard for garbage in GOA is infront of the Goan legislative Assemby at Porvorim as the top pollutants of GOA have thier sessions there and garbage should go with garbage. Last but not the least,garbage is not a problem at all provided it has to be disposed and not dumped. Joel Morais. Cuncolim, Bencleamvaddo, Salcette,Goa. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Floriano's Sunday Ramblings - 3
This week has come up with a big 'S' in surprises, shocks, suggestions etc. with many a bold headlines in the news papers. As if we need old festering wounds opened up, the Honourable Justices of the Supreme Court are seen to be hallucinating when they say A time has come for total prohibition of liquor (NT-May 4, 2006). The moment anybody talks of liquor prohibition, I remember our enterprising PM, Mr. Morarji Desai who hated liquor enough to prohibit its consumption while his own son, Mr. Kantilal Desai was a liquor baron. A travesty indeed. Thousands of people have died and are still dying by consuming illicit distilled liquor (moonshine; bootleg; hooch; navsagar you name it) even when liquor is open. Entire compartments of trains in Mumbai have been transporting hooch distilled in swampy areas and hidden in tyres. Whenever I hear about prohibition of liquor, I remember the scene from 'The Good, The Bad, The Ugly where the man with the noose around his neck and about to be plunged, uses his last wish to curse the liquor bottle which sent him to the gallows. Shakti Kapoor is another example who drank like a fish and even peed on the Goa Marriot's lawns in open view of everyone. Do the Justices mean to say that this would not happen if liquor was prohibited? On the contrary, the guy in the movie or Shakti for that matter would pass out drinking hooch right into the coffins saving the trouble for the hangman or the Marriot's lawn keeper. Rather than prohibiting liquor, let the good Justices come out with clear-cut directives to the Central and State Governments to use a percentage of the huge revenues made from the sale of liquor to bring awareness to the people of the ill effects of liquor through print and audio visual media. The good Justices must know that prohibition of any sort has NEVER WORKED. 'Form apolitical peace committees at ward level: Ribeiro' NT- May 4, 2006. This is a good try, but as I see it, this is a complete waste of time, Julio Ribeiro or no Julio Ribeiro. The need of the hour is the 'WILL' of any government/s to abolish practice of religion in illegally built places of worship and all government offices coupled with non-vote-bank policies where anyone crossing the Laxman-Rekha line of religious discipline must be sure of losing the skin off the backs. In this respect, the sub-editorial Illegal Shrines- Need to Set Some Criteria is highly appreciated. (NT-May 6, 2006) . The writing on the wall which all politicians and religious leaders fail to see and acknowledge is that RELIGION is the number one culprit of all death and devastation throughout the world. It needs regulating so it does not interfere with others, democracy or no democracy. 'NCP urges government to keep check on foreigners buying land' (in Goa) - NT- May 4, 2006. This is indeed funny coming from the Goa NCP, for this particular Party's Goa unit must know that foreigners have somehow managed to buy Goans first, and, it is but natural that their lands will follow suit. Why get gray over matters like these? I wonder if Rajan Ghate, the NYC leader has had this press note vetted by Dr. Willy himself before handing it over to the press, considering that Dr. Willy is sightseeing in Dubai. It is wrong for a crab to walk backwards and want its off-spring to walk forward. Is it now !. And a word about Dr. Willy being in Dubai to sell Goa to Tourists. It is a shame for such a wasteful adventure. He would have been better off cleaning the beaches of Goa of the terrible litter. If he has no innovative ideas any more, he could use me free of cost with the right post and I would ensure that the earliest bird on Goan beaches would be hard pressed to find a single plastic coffee cup or what-have-you on the beaches even if it was required to save someone's life with the sands remaining that way throughout the day. 'Dabolim and Mopa are complementary' - Editorial NT- May 4, 2006. More than Rear Admiral S.M. Vadgaokar (Navy's Flag Officer Commanding Goa), Mr. Arun Sinha must know that it is not easy to fool Goans all the time. No! Dabolim and Mopa are not complementary. I consider Mopa to be a Sin. The Navy wants Mopa at all cost and is seen to be working tirelessly towards this end. Why? Because it has fallen in love at first sight with Dabolim and wants to elope with it. With Mopa around, the Navy will be able to tie the ultimate knot with strategic Dabolim, consummate and multiply its brood. Goans will never allow this to happen and the Navy is bound to go away to Sea Bird, Karwar or wherever with a heavy, broken heart. But if Goans do allow the Navy to have its way, which is unlikely, just like they allowed it to walk away with Anjedive Island, then for sure, Goans will not be Goans anymore. And Arun Sinha will have had his last laugh. And lastly, the talk of India, THE SAD DEMISE OF PRAMOD MAHAJAN. I concede that Mahajan has been getting nothing but highly acclaimed reviews all round despite his own
Re: [Goanet] Re: The debate on reservations
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Dear Nasci, I appreciate your appreciation of my stand on Revervations. This is strongly our Party's stand. Although we have not mentioned 'reservations' in our Road Map for Goa which was released on 20 August, 2005, we have made our stand clear on the OBC/SC/STs and how this situation has to be tackled to get these folks into the mainstream as INDIAN CITIZENS. You will find our stand clearly made out at Chapter XXII (1) of our Road Map for Goa, which can be downloaded from the Home Page of our website www.goasu-raj.org. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Re: The debate on reservations * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Well done, Floriano! I was wanting to write on the lines that Floriano has so skillfully exposed; but being not very conversent with these matters, of late; I felt shy. Floriano, you have hit the 'nail on the head'. There has been another goanetter too, who spoke on giving more subsidised educational facilities at low and middle levels, and also that assistance if at all, should be based more on need for interim financial assistance, rather than reservations in higher education based on caste, and not merit. Merit should be the overriding factor at the higher education level and high calibre employment positions, where excellence is paramount! The founding fathers did a good job in the reservations area at the time the Constitution was put in place. However 'Times have changed'' and so many years have passed; that this no longer should be the only way that these people should be helped. The Space age and the Computer Age is already here! It means that India has to be very competitive in this increasingly compex world; and this cannot be acheived by propping up people based on affirmative action alone and without merit. This is 'common sense' and would in the end bring about a more satsisfactory 'vote bank' for the smart people. Nasci Caldeira Melbourne Down Under _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: The debate on reservations
Funny as it may sound, I had a good laugh at the e-mail which George has denounced. Goorge has not got the right vibrations of the email nor the mental state of the author. It is called frustration. Reservations must be looked upon as a simple way of establishing vote-banks. I have always admired our finance minister Chidambaram. He has been televised as suscribing to resevations in higher educational institutions. And he says that the quality of education cannot and will not suffer. That seats must be increased. How very honourable. At this juncture let me relate the story of some years ago of the Madras IIT. It seems that a parliamentary commission was set up to investigate why more student do not clear the entrance tests in IITs. When this commission members were intervewing the IIT director , and when he was asked the above question, he replied saying that the lower educational institutions should be upgraded to a higher standard if more students must clear the IIT entrance exams. When a member of the commission queried as to why the standard of the IIT entrance tests cannot be lowered so that more students can pass, the director laughed and said it was impossible. Before one could say jack robbins, this member of the commission caught hold of the tie of the director and roughed him up. I fully endorse Kapil Sibal's derision of the reservation policy of Arjun Singh, his own cabinet colleague. At best Arun Singh should be roughed-up like the director of Madras IIT was. The best policy is to do away with reservations. If the fathers of the Indian Constitution had given just 10 years to eradicate castes in the country, what went wrong??? Not the Vote-Banking system?? Today's interview on NDTV of the Maharashtra Chief Minister Vilasrao Desmukh by Karan Thapar of BBCs Hardtalk fame was devastating for Desmukh. He was made a laughing stalk on the Vidharba farmer's suicide deaths and Thane district's child malnutrition deaths. There was no holding back for Karan here. It was a real roughing up that Desmukh got. He should be ashamed of himself. A chief minister must not go unprepared to face Karan Thapar. Likewise Karan should interview Arjun Singh. I am sure he will get what he deserves in a long time. The best policy to wind-up reservations - WHICH MUST BE WOULD UP ONCE AND FOR ALL is: 1. Revamp the primary/secondary school systems to part knowledge rather than make the students cram stupid lessons which are forgotten in no time.. 2. Give financial boost to the OBC/ST/SC and other backward classes to give them equal opportunity. i.e subsidise the bright brains. 3. Judge all on equal footing without lowering any standards. Rather the standards should be raised from time to time. 4. Select the OBC/SC/ST candidates first to give credence to their lower social standing. ( strike out the money angle in selection) Just like helping the farmers to save them from committing suicide, help the OBC/ST/SCs what have you to better facilities in lower education with all those thousands of crores that are going down the drains and you certainly do not need RESERVATIONS All said and done, I fully appreciate the humour in which the email in question has been written. I congratulate the author. And George must read the email again after observing what I have said above. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 11:49 AM Subject: [Goanet] Re: The debate on reservations The email below is one of the stupidest recently on Goanet. There ought to be a special category reserved for dumb emails and the email below tops the list. If people don't have anything intelligent to say about an issue, valuable bandwidth should not be wasted. Even as humour it fails miserably and reads like a veiled attempt to further discriminate against marginalized groups while trying to be funny. Regards, George _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Floriano's Sunday Ramblings -2
In the fifties and sixties, and, the period of time before that (consider a couple of centuries or more), every mother's wish was to have a priest in the family. And the testimony of this still prevails everywhere in Goa where most of the palatial houses belonged to the family with priests, and where most of such houses are now gifted or donated to nunneries, aged homes, convents, novitiates etc. And in Moira, which is my village, I can off-hand count a dozen such houses which have changed hands for this good. I am talking of 'fifties' and 'sixties' because my mother was perhaps nursing the aspiration of being a mother of a priest, having four sons and no daughter/s. And whenever this topic of one son at least becoming a priest was occasionally the topic of discussion at lunch or dinner, my shippy dad, when at home, would invariably repeat the same thing again and again addressing us 4 boys. If anyone or even all of you want to be priest/s, then you must choose a life with 'Christ' and join the 'Society of Jesus' to become Jesuit/s. That way I can cancel your name/s from my/our will because priests are not supposed to own anything to their name. My mother must have quietly confided to our parish priest that one of her sons (me) might be interested in joining the seminary. That was when I found that our parish priest was being extra good to me, asking me to see him after mass etc and even giving me chicoos. And once, he quietly told me that he was happy to know from my mother that I would like to join the priest-hood. Mind you I was 17 years old. And I remember how I had reacted to that. Father, I had proudly said. If I ever become a priest, I will be a Jesuit. At that time I had thought that my troubles were over with that pronouncement. But I was not to know that in days to come my troubles were going to be compounded with the parish priest telling St. Britto's (Mapusa) Jesuit provincial, who in turn, sending me a message to see him via another Moidekar seminarian, compounded further by my name being pasted on the college notice board (St. Xavier's, Bastora) to see Fr. Pallithanam, our botany lecturer, who in turn was seen vociferously and happily congratulating me on my decision to join the fraternity, where I had thought that my botany journal would be ripped-off this time, instead of being just flung out of the window, like he had done on the previous occasion. Those were the days when I had to work double hard at devising ways and means how to dodge these calls which started becoming frantic, rather than studying, ultimately ending with me absconding from the Church services just so I could avoid meeting the parish priest. And was I happy that he was timely transferred?? That was the end. And they say that it becomes a habit if you do it once, I mean, absconding from church services, as, over the years, I have not become very fond of being a decorative ornament with respect to church services. And thank God Himself for leading me away from choosing the path of priest-hood, because, if I had become a priest, I would be the most 'controversial' of them all. Meaning? Well, I shall leave it at that. Yesterday, 29 April, 2006, was the day that I realized how important it was to my mother who is 84, to have a son, a priest. Secretly, without any of us knowing, she had sponsored a boy from Savordem, by the name of Rogers (Raju) Godinho some years ago, who was studying at the Dominican Novitiate in our neighbourhood. And when Rogers came over the other day to invite her for his 'Ordination' she was full of joy. I reassured her that I would take her there. It was a tiring journey by car for her, but she was all buoyed-up and happy. Though it took her a long time to get into her best sari, which she has not done in years, she had done it well. And it was all of my satisfaction to lead her by her hand, among the first to climb the stage, to give a bouquet of flowers to her priest 'Raju and a jolly good hug. And I wondered how happy she would have been to bask in such glory herself, just like Raju's own mother, if years ago I had paid that visit to St. Britto' s, Mapusa. Nevertheless, I was happy to see her happy to hug a full blown priest she had helped to make. On the way back, while she was fast asleep in the back seat of the car, my wife, who had accompanied us for the ordination, quietly told me the story which I had never known. She asked me to go to Mapusa with her, some years ago, probably when you were still sailing she said. It was in Mapusa that she lead me to a goldsmith when she gave the gold chain to the goldsmith to weigh, I said to her 'mother, you are not selling this for want of cash are you?', she smiled and told me that she would tell me in good time she told me. And on our way back from the goldsmith, she told me that she was sponsoring a priest from the Dominican Novitiate for Rs. 5000/- and that she had pledged that gold chain. And the words of the Dominican
[Goanet] Fw: Editorial dated 27/04/06 well appreciated.
- Original Message - From: floriano To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 28, 2006 4:53 PM Subject: Editorial dated 27/04/06 well appreciated. To, Mr. Sujay Gupta, Editor, GT Dear Sir, Sub: A significant third front likely in Goa (editorial -27/04/06) This is only to inform you that your above dated editorial has been very highly appreciated. The general readers of the Gomantak Times need to be reassured that qualitative work hours of research is put in to compile such facts. Afterall, it is said that what makes or breaks individuals, whether in politics, business or in showmanship, whether political parties or business companies and/or what have you, is the PRESS, whether it is free or biased. I am told many a times that the Press can make 'Zeros' out of 'Heros' and Vice Versa. But in my own little way I have always believed that no matter what, the Vice Versa in the above case is absolutely not possible when it comes to real born heroes who can survive with or without politics. And this fact will be more visible to you as time goes by. In the context of your esteemed editorial, the beneficiaries, the MGP and the UGDP, have long since been sending toxic political smoke in the Goan political air space, which smoke, you are helping to make your readers believe, is very safe to breathe. Do keep up the good work, and, towards that, I extend my personal congratulations to you. In case you feel that this note borders on sarcasm, rest assured, it is more on the pragmatic side than sarcastic. With kind regards Floriano Lobo goasuraj 9422060347 _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Moira Contraversy...
Fred has opened up a pandora's box here. And just aswell. As far as I am concerned, I have observed that in Goa, the authorities like the GSPCB (Polution Control Board) apply the same set of rules and regulations to small fries like Manuel Caldeira etc. and mega units like Meta Strips, Steel Rolling Mills, Pig Iron Plants etc. THIS IS A DO OR DIE SITUATION, especially when people at Ministerial level lend a single ear on preferential basis to cause more problems where there are none. Laws are yet to be written that can be followed by all. Presently, laws are written on individual basis. Floriano goasuraj check-out the Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Floriano's Sunday Ramblings
Since yesterday, every time one think about the charismatic BJP Leader Pramod Mahajan, automatically one switches on the telly to NDTV 24 x 7 for a running commentary on his critical condition. Today, my sister-in-law who comes visiting her sister every evening asked her a silly question after making a favourable comment on the excellent services dished out by NDTV. And from the bathroom, as I was trimming my hair and my beard, which is my Sunday routine ( BTW I have forgotten what it is like to sit on a barber's chair) I heard her ask her sister this silly question: What is ND Tv? . I shouted a question to her from the bathroom Do you remember the fabled ENDO Inas? (This guy was the idiot of the village who couldn't get anything right and we Goans have all grown-up admiring his prowess). My sister-in -law shouted back Yes. To that I shouted back Well, Endo Inas was a male and ND Tv is a female. Being a Sunday today, my wife cooked all the things I love to eat on a Sunday afternoon, stacked all the hundies on the range, issued me laborious instructions and went off visiting some relations in far away Curtorim. When she pecked me on my bearded cheek, I told her to say hello to our Hon'ble Speaker in case she ran into him. Why will I run into him she retorted adding that Curtorim was a big enough place. You miss my point I told her. Sonsodo, remember? It is on your way. Incase you get a whiff of scent in the air instead of the garbage stink, that means Sardinha is around. And it is approaching 3rd. May soon. Our Pirazona chapel feast is on that day. The Novenas have started and hence the morning Sunday Mass is in the evening instead. As I was at my mother's place ( just a stone's throw away) to check on her (she is 84 and quite fit), it struck me that she was not aware of the Holy Cross Chapel's evening Mass. So I casually said to her why don't you just go for the Mass instead of shifting around? It will do you a lot of good. And to my surprise she did just that. As I was playing around with a silly idea on my welding machine at my work-shed, I shouted to her to keep the house keys just in case I required something from the house. She threw the keys and was off. When she came back, she came to me for the keys and started a non stop sermon as to how good it feels when one goes for a Sunday Mass et al. And what it seemed like the end of the sermon, she said this: And you ! Couldn't you go for Mass instead of doing this useless thing? Work is always there. Those poor priest are not doing what they are doing for nothing. You will burn in hell. And then there will be no one to blame but yourself. Burn in hell? How do you know I will go to heaven if I went to Sunday Mass? I asked. Listen mother I told her, You went for Mass and you feel good. Keep it that way. Don't spoil that feeling by trying to tell others how nice it feels. Let others be curious at your extremely good feeling and follow in your foot-steps. You know me I told her. When I see hypocrites more holier than the holy, it gives a bad taste in my mouth and I lose the good feeling that I already have. And the last look I had on the running update on Pramod Mahajan on the ND Tv, I said a little prayer for him. A small one at that. And why not? Entire India is praying for poor Pramod Mahajan. Vajpayee, Advani, Amithab Bachan, Anil Ambani, even Sonia Gandhi and Pratapsing Rane. From the sanctity of our living-rooms, it all looks like a big flop show when one sees the sanctimonious mugs that are offering the prayers. Thank God it was only his own side-lined kid brother. If it was any one else like a Congresswalla, a Khalistani etc, the entire nation would be at war and there would have been many many more deaths. Never mind that, but I actually said a few soothing words to the one who had suffered more than what Pramod Mahajan is probably suffering under the oxygen mask. Shivani Batnagar I said, only you will know the extent of his sufferings. They couldn't be more than what you went through. End _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Re: Pernem SDM's Order of fresh refusal of permission for Anti-Mopa Meeting at Pernem
No. DCP/PER/1-5/2006/119 Office of the Dy. Collector SDM, Pernem Sub Division, Pernam-Goa. Dated:- 21/04/2006 Read:- 1. Application of Shri Floriano C Lobo, General Secretary, of Goa Su-Raj Party, having registered office H.O. 383/A, Pirazona, Moira, Bardez-Goa. 2. Report of the Police Inspector, Pernem Police station dtd. 19.4.2006 3. Report from the Mamlatdar of Pernem dtd. 20.4.06 Pernem - Goa. O R D E R Shri Floriano C. Lobo, General Secretary, of Goa Su-Raj Party has filed the applicatin for permission to use public address system to hold anti-Mopa airport public meeting at Shemechi Advan in the Pernem Taluka to apprise the people of Pernem the ill effects of the proposed Internation Airport at Mopa the meeting is proposed to hold on Sunday 23/4/2006 between 4:00 p.m. and 8:00 p.m. The reports from the Police Inspector, Pernem Police Station and the Mamlatdar of Pernem were called. According to the Police report the people of Pernem are already agitating for the project of International Airport at Mopa for which they staged Rasta Roko, Rail Roko and Pernem ---Pg 2--- Taluka Band on 18.4.2006 for showing their resentment over the campaign against the Mopa Airport and inaction of Government for the project. He also pointed out that last time some of the villagers and Pro-Mopa activists had gatered at Nagzar to prevent Shri Churchil Alemao, Hon'ble M.P., South Goa, from holding meeting at Nagzar. The situation has not changed much since then. In other word in case the meeting is conducted the villagers and pro-Mopa Activists would prevent to hold such meeting. The Mamlatdar in his report submitted that Shemechi Advan is about 3 kms. From the village Nagzar and most of the villagers are opposing to hold meeting of Anti-Mopa Airport Activists and incase if such meeting is conducted there is likely hood of breach of peace and public tranquility. The applicant in his application has given the name of venue is Shemeche Advan. The exact place of the venue and the NOC of the concern Owner or the institution have not been furnished. Shemeche Advan is one of the wado in village Varkhand. It is located about 3 km. From the village Nagzar and the route passes through the field and jungle. In the event of the road block there is not other route to reach the said place. I have perused the report of the Police Inspector, Mamlatdar consider the recent incidents such as rasta roko, agitation, prevailing situation so also the venue, it is crystal clear that incase the permission is granted to use public address system, the pro-Mopa Activists would prevents or cause to obstruct to hold such meeting and there by there is likely hood of breach of peace and public tranquility, in the village as well as neighboring villages. Inview of above the permission to use the public address system to hold the anti-Mopa meeting is rejected at this stage. Sd/- (S.P. Shetye) Deputy Collector SDM, Pernem Sub Division, Pernem-Goa. To, Shri Floriano C. Lobo General Secretary, Pirazona Moira Bardez Goa. Copy to:- 1) The Collector North, Panaji-Goa, for information. 2) The Police Inspector, Police Station- Pernem-Goa. COMMENTS: The refusal of the earlier permission by the Pernem SDM Mr. Shetye for the scheduled anti-Mopa airport meeting organized by the anti-Mopa committee to be held at the same venue was discussed at length with the Chief Secretary Shri J.P. Singh by this writer along with the members of the committee and Mr. Chirchill Alemao, M.P. South. Shri J.P. Singh was informed that by the above refusal, the government is violating the right of the people to freedom of speech as well as the right of the people to know because of a handful of elected representatives (North) holding the entire democratic system to ransom. He was also informed that the government will be instrumental in creating a North-South Divide which will be detrimental to the State of Goa as a whole. He was also informed by this writer that Goa Su-Raj Party is an independent political Party with independent ideology. That Mopa has been considered by the Party as a SIN from the inception of this plan. That the Navy should pack-off to Sear Bird, Karwar and leave Dabolim airport to be invigorated as the International civilian airport of Goa by virtue of it's being centrally located. That the party will apply on its own for a fresh permission to hold such a anti-Mopa meet again at Pernem. That the government must allow such a meeting to be held as there are over 800 people in this very locality (Nagzar Village) who want this meeting and who are against giving up their fields and orchards which they have 'worked' for centuries and which is their only lively-hood. That they being pure farmers, they have no hope of getting any jobs after the airport is built. The C.S. was also told that the refusal of the permission by the government to hold this fresh meeting will be considered as the government' s failure to respect DEMOCRACY. Now
[Goanet] Press Note (Re: MILLY COUNCIL REPORT on Savordem-Curchorem Riots)
April 20, 2006 To, The Administrator, GOANET, Via e-mail Sir, Please find the Press Note on 'MILLY COUNCIL REPORT on Savordem-Curchorem Riots for kind favour of publication. Thanking you, Yours faithfully, for GOA SU-RAJ PARTY Sd/- Floriano Lobo Spokesperson ** Press Note for kind favour of Publication Re: The MILLI Council Report. The Goa Su-Raj Party, having gone through the 'MILLY Council Report' at length, is appreciative of its certain findings responsible for contributing to the ultimate riots that Goa saw in Savordem and Curchorem, but wishes to differ with certain other fact justifying the targeting of the Muslim community as a whole in Goa. The Goa Su-Raj Party appreciates the part of the report that has elucidated on the systematic targeting of the minorities by VHP-BJP-RSS combine in Goa and the part it has played in contributing to the above riots. The party is also appreciative of its findings as to how manipulative and complacent the ruling Congress Coalition in Goa has been in preventing such riots from taking place, making it look like both the BJP and the Congress Coalition were partners in crime. The Goa Su-Raj Party gives credence to the report's long dabbling into the history of Goa's independent rule and how communal feelings have been systematically fanned by succeeding governments for their own benefits starting from the Bandodkar's regime. As proof of this findings, Advocate Amrut Kansar has publicly stated, at the T.B. Cunha Hall meeting, convened to introspect and determine the cause of the Savordem Cuchorem riots and find ways and means to help the riot victims, when he said that Mr. Bandodkar had imported into Goa from Maharashtra, Hindu Priest, to poison the minds of the Goan Hindus. Advocate Kansar would know best since he was a part of that regime at that time. The Goa Su-Raj Party discards the justification by the Milli Report that 'Muslims' use loudspeakers for a very short period of time during 'Azans' and that Hindu Temples use loudspeakers all day long. The Goa Su-Raj Party holds both Hindus and Muslims as well as the Catholic Church responsible for the nuisance that the loudspeakers are creating within their respective immediate surroundings irrespective of the fact that the nuisance is of short or long duration. The Goa Su-Raj Party holds the belief that whether people are migrants, squatters, hawkers, criminals or small traders, they have been allowed into Goa by the successive governments and political parties for their own benefits of creating vote-banks, hiding from the responsibilities of formulating firm policies to prevent religious nuisance, and at the same time, forgetting that they are responsible to allow these people their right to WORSHIP. The Goa Su-Raj Party believes that if the Goan Society does not want chaos and mayhem to percolate into Goan way of life, like the UGDP states in its April 18-Herald-page 3-Press Note, the Goan Society at large must hold the governments it elects, rigidly accountable for illegal Crosses, Chapels, Dargas, Mosques, Temples and Gumties. Let the people worship to their heart' s content in their respective legal places of worship but minus the LOUDSPEAKER NUISANCE, which is wearing the patience of the sensible and sensitive people of all faiths, thin, making it ready to part. The Goa Su-Raj Party holds a firm belief that the Goan Society at large must give way to 'introspection' rather than 'pointing fingers' at others if it wishes to reform itself towards the well talked about 'harmonious living'. End _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Fw: For you kind information and publication- Re Manuel Caldeira the Mendes'
- Original Message - From: floriano To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: For you kind information and publication- Re Manuel Caldeira the Mendes' CANADIAN ACCUSED OF CREATING NOISE POLLUTION AT MOIRA By Herald Reporter. Herald Tuesday April 4, 2006 Page 3 Panjim, April 3 - A ceramics manufacturing unit set up in Moira has been raising concerns among villagers I the vicinity. A group of villagers from Novo Portugal, Moira in a complaint lodged at the Mapusa Police Station have mentioned that a Canadian citizen has acquired a residential house in the village and converted it into illegal factory from which engenders both noise pollution as well as water pollution. The matter is in the Court of the Joint Mamlatdar of Bardez, Mapusa. The complaint was lodged in February this year. However, the villagers have been writing to various government authorities about their concerns since August 2005 .It is learnt that Manuel Caldeira a migrant from Canada set up the ceramics manufacturing unit. Mathew Mendes, resident of Novo- Portugal, Moira along with a group of other neighbours have written to various authorities about the unit which they claim causes noise pollution which comes from the factory sheds with concrete flooring constructed in the compound of the residential house. Medes has documents which show that the residents have written about their concerns with the BDO, Mapusa, Directorate of Panchayat, Health Department, Collector, PWD, Electricity department, Goa State Pollution Control Board (GSPCB), Directorate of Civil Supplies. Complaints have been lodged with the respective authorities about open air toilets for the fact ory workers, use of domestic water and domestic cylinders for commercial purpose and pollution of well water according to Mendes. The villagers also approached the Goa State Pollution Control Board (GSPCB) a couple of times about the noise pollution in the area according to Mendes. In February the GSPCB issued a show cause notice to Caldeira mentioning that it is observed that the owner has not obtained consent of the Board to operate as required under the section 21 of the Air (Prevention and Control of Pollution) Act 1981 for operating the unit. PCB sources informed Herald that the matter will be discussed in the next board meeting to be held later this week. Caldeira when contacted claimed that there is no problem with the unit. This is pure harassment from the complainants he said. As for the noise pollution, he claimed that the noise levels are within the permissible levels and said that the data with the authorities shows that I have no problem referring to an earlier inspection by the PCB in October 2005 when the PCB did not initiate any act ion against Caldeira as noise levels during the inspection were within the permissible limits of Noise Pollution Rules of 2000. COMMENTS: My first impression when I read the above report was that the Herald reporter was biased towards Mendes'. But as I came to the end, I eased a sigh of relief only because the image that was forming in my mind about the Herald reporter became more acceptable. I shall want to put more light on the happenings in Moira vis a vis Manuel Caldeira, allegedly a Canadian migrant who purchased a housed property in Novo Portugal, Moira, to make it his home as well as to kick start a business that would give a fillip to the 'tiny cottage industries' in the villages of Goa which would not only enhance our sucegad Goa and Goan's economic trajectory with vital jobs being made available at the village levels but also give the required boost to this village. Manuel Caldeira, who is now termed as a Canadian migrant was born in Chandor. Having finished his Liceu (Lyciem), he left Goa for Portugal a few years before the great liberation of Goa. His coming to Goa to settle down in his birth place and contribute to the State makes him more Goan than most of us, including Jennifer Mathew Mendes, his immediate neighbours and who want to call him a mere Canadian migrant. He has, in the course of his stay abroad, lived, studied and worked in many European countries, United States and lastly in Canada, whose citizenship he retains. It is on record that he was always pro India throughout his stay abroad. As a student of aeronautical engineering in Eicholz near Bonn (then) West Germany, during the Indian/Goan student interaction meet, he is on record of proposing a minute's silence for the departed soul of Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru, the first Prime Minister of India, not entirely without criticism from his fellow students. His love for Goa got him into Goa with the highest of hopes of starting a class ceramic unit involving slip casting, a trade he learnt by way of hobby while he has qualified himself as an aeronautics engineer and then branched off into IT (Quality Control for multinationals). On landing in Goa, his high hopes started
[Goanet] Happy Easter
--- * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * --- USDA certified Goa Sausages and other Goan foods can now be delivered to virtually any part of the world. http://www.goanfoods.com --- Curriculum Vitae Name: GOD Address: Ephesians 1:20 Phone: Romans 10:13 Website: Bible Keywords: GOOD My name is God. They removed one 'O' from the word GOOD to give me my name. (This, just incase my name sounds odd). Many call me 'Lord'. I 'm sending you my CV because I'm seeking the top management position in your heart as I am feeling the heat of unemployment in these recent times. Will appreciate if you should offer me the position so I can make do. Qualifications I founded the earth and established the heavens. Now they want to destroy what I founded and everyone wants to go to heaven. But they have appalling road sense and usually take the wrong bend and reach hell, instead. In Heaven, where I held the job of the manager for as long as I can remember, the occupancy has dropped so low that I have to look for an alternate job. I formed man from the dust of the ground. If anyone tried it again, the result will be toxins, garbage, plastics and what have you with no essential minerals that requires to go in a human body. Those were the good old days. I breathed into man the breath of life. If anyone tried it again, the breath would be full of drugs, liquor, chemicals including a terrible foul smell of nicotine that the body with the new found life would fall flat on its face immediately after taking a few steps. I redeemed man from the curse of the law. That was ages ago. Now man makes his own laws and takes these to his bed to go to sleep with in comfort. The blessings of the Abrahamic Covenant used to come upon man's life through me. Again that was in the distant past. Now a days the blessings rain from Hitler type ideals which have devastated the minds of people who call themselves RSS, who put a rope round the man's neck they call God, drag him and hang him in a place called a RAM TEMPLE and then freak out at his death throes while the hanging one refuses to die. Background I've only had one employer and one job. I was never tardy, absent, disobedient, slothful or disrespectful. My employer had nothing but rave reviews for me. If you should employ me to get me out of my predicament, I wonder if I will last for long in that job if I follow my past. That is why I have been taking tuitions to learn how to cheat, defame, transfer the employer's company and properties to my name and how to throw him into the river over a bridge or burn him alive amongst festival fire-crackers packed in his car and claim that it was a sorry accident. Skills and Work Experiences Some of my past skills and work experiences include: empowering the poor to be poor no more, healing the brokenhearted, setting the captives free, healing the sick, restoring sight to the blind and setting at liberty them that are bruised. However I have tried hard to forget all these things of the good past to practice exactly the opposite of what I used to preach before. I have learnt the tricks to make the poor miserably poor, poison the broken hearted, keep the innocent captives on trumped-up charges, set the criminals free. Bury the sick, blind the seeing, and amputate those that are bruised before they are set free. I was a wonderful counselor. People who listened to me would dwell safely and would not fear the evil. Most importantly, I used to have authority, ability and power to cleanse anyone of their sins. In time, I realized that this is a perfect path for a involuntary suicide. I have now excelled as a counselor who sends people jumping off bridges, make them shoot themselves or to drink rat poison, immediately after a well paid session with me. I put the fear of Myself (God) into them that most of them die in a road accident before reaching home and even if they did, they will spend their nights traumatized that some evil has happened to them. I have now re-validated my qualifications to become authoritarian from being merely the authority, totally useless as against being very able, and I have graduated in Master's degree in Power laundry to clean all types of clothing as against my old trade of cleansing people of their sins. Educational Background I used to encompass the entire breadth and length of knowledge, wisdom and understanding, In me were hidden all of the treasures of wisdom and knowledge, (See Colossians 2:3). My Word was so powerful; it was described as being a lamp unto your feet and a lamp unto your path, (See Psalms 119:105). I could even tell you
[Goanet] Happy Easter!
--- * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * --- USDA certified Goa Sausages and other Goan foods can now be delivered to virtually any part of the world. http://www.goanfoods.com --- NOISE POLLUTION Contempt of Court Petition in the offing? By: Floriano Lobo It was in 1997 that a simple letter to the Justices of the Bombay High Court at Goa on the topic of 'loud music noise pollution' got converted into a Suo-Moto Writ Petition 97 of 1997 where the order passed by the Honourable High Court was challenged in the open Court by the petitioner who was appearing in person by telling the Chief Justice Chapalgaonkar thus Your Lordships, this order does not have teeth. The culprit is the Police. And to the stunned Court ( before the High Court was shifted to Altinho) the Chief Justice had said these words Mr. Lobo, you must know that Rome was not built in one day. You can always come back to us (meaning with contempt of Court petition). That was in 1997, a clear ten years before now. To go in Contempt of Court, one must have a very definite and a sure case of contempt. Such opportunity was given to me by the Porvorim police station a couple of years ago when a mega entertainment show was held in-house and which kept the neighbouhood awake until 3:00 A.M. in the morning. And this was reported extensively by Herald. Unfortunately for me, my association viz. Goa Environmental Action Group had joined up with the Environment Federation and it was the EF which had gone to the High Court with a noise pollution petition. Only the EF could go in contempt petition in this case. But that was not to be. And I hold two people responsible for missing out on that opportunity. Averthan D'Souza, the then and now president of EF and Advocate Norma Alvares who was the then General Secretary of the EF. In spite of my telling both of them that this was a fit case to seal the fate of loud music noise pollution in Goa, they cowed down. Will I ever forgive them for this lapse?? I wonder! After that, it was today that gave me the clear opportunity. Being Maundy Thursday, one expects that the day will end with introspection, vigils and what have you, for the faithful who believe in such things. For me, I have always been liberated from these nuances when I openly say that I am not a regular Church goer. Nevertheless it does not make me less religious. With that in mind, this position gives me an edge in observing things that are happening around. For the last few years, I have been noticing that the nearby Sateri Temple (built only about less than 5 or 6 years ago) started with entertainment programs starting with Maundy Thursday going through Good Friday and Holy Saturday. And I had been a keen observer. Today happens to be the Maundy Thrusday. I left my 84 year old mother and my wife to the church at 5.00 P.M., went about my work and promptly was at the Church to collect them. In the meantime, I had called-up the Aldona Police outpost in the morning telling them to investigate if Sateri Temple had the sound licence. I had even called up the Police Inspector Mr. Patil at approx. 4.00 P.M. to tell him to check up if Sateri Temple had sound licence. While at Church to collect my folks after 6.00 P.M. I was surprised to hear the mobile announcing going on to say that there was a folk dance program scheduled at the Sateri Temple from 7:30 P.M. onwards. Come 8.00 P.M. the entertainment programme in the Temple was on fullblast. Mind you, the instant Temple is approx. 200 meters away from the Church and in the thick of the clustered village wards of Povoacao, Raim, Pirazona and Novo Portugal, besides parts of Nachinola. Having made up my mind that this was a fit case for the above mentioned contempt petition, I called up none other than Mr. Ujwal Mishra, the Director Inspector of Police (DIG) on his mobile 9822125299. And this is what transpired as a teleconversation: 08:30 P.M. Ring Ring FL. Good Evening Sir, my name is Floriano Lobo. I am the General Secretary of Goa Environmental Action Group as well as the General Secretary of the Goa Su-Raj Party. I am from a village called Moira, which is 5 kilometers from Mapusa towards Aldona. There is a Sateri Temple which is just about 5 or 6 years old in close proximity to the 200 year old Moira Church. Today being Maundy Thursday, followed by Good Friday tomorrow, the faithful of the village are in between introspection and keeping vigils. I have called the Police outpost (Aldona) in the morning and I have called the PI (Mapusa) in the afternoon wanting to know if Sateri Temple had the sound licence for today. No information has been forthcoming. Therefore I have decided to call you. Please forgive me
[Goanet] Press Note Re: Education Fair for kind favour of publication
--- * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * --- USDA certified Goa Sausages and other Goan foods can now be delivered to virtually any part of the world. http://www.goanfoods.com --- Date: April 12, 2006 To, The Editor, GOMANTAK TIMES, Panjim-Goa. Via e-mail. Dear Sir, Subject: Press Note Re: Educational Fair at Varca. Hereinbelow please find the press note as above for kind favour of publication. Thanking you, Yours faithfully, for Goa Su-Raj Party Sd/- Floriano C. Lobo Gen. Secretary/Spokesperson ** The Goa Su-Raj Party is hapy to note that the Education Ministry, under Mr. Luiziho Faleiro has decided to organize the 'Educational Fair' in Goa. This has been the need of the hour to impart vital information regarding various courses offered by educational institutions in different streams to the aspiring students who find themselves at the end of the rope in career guidance. We applaud Mr. Luizinho Faleiro for coming up with this unique idea of 'Educational Fair' spread over four days. However, the Goa Su-Raj Party asks the question why at Varca? The choice of the venue for this extraordinary fair, considering that it is being organized for the first time in Goa, seems to be nothing but political propaganda to enhance the re-election chances of the Education Minister Mr. Luizinho Faleiro, for Varca falls in the Navelim Constituency which he represents. The obvious choice of venue for staging this fair should have been the capital city of Panjim first, followed by subsequent staging of the fair in Taluka headquaters for wider spread. The Goa Su-Raj Party also questions the choice of the venue of the Varca Church premises for the conduct of this fair especially in times when Goa's secular credentials are at stake. The Goa Su-Raj Part feels sad to note that all innovative ideas originate with a selfish motive with our politicians being not able to see beyond their very noses and caution the officers and academicians who are entrusted to make decisions to object to setting of such dangerous precedents by the elected representatives. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Calapur Salt Pan Development- Report
--- * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * --- USDA certified Goa Sausages and other Goan foods can now be delivered to virtually any part of the world. http://www.goanfoods.com --- CALAPUR SALT PANS DEVELOPMENT- Santa Cruz - Panjim BOMBAY HIGH COURT AT PANJIM-GOA. The Writ PIL 02/2006 is coming up for hearing on 19 April, 2006- A.M. Notices have been served to all respondents 1.. Hara Developers-Bangalore 2.. Govt. of Goa thro' the Chief Secretary. 3.. Town Country Planning Department. 4.. Santa Cruz Village Panchayat. Adv. Norma Alvares has been appointed the 'Amicus Curae' for the Petitioner Mr. Floriano Lobo. [PAGE 4 REPORT - HERALD - APRIL 12, 2006 _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Press Note Re: Anti-Mopa Public Meeting at Pernem
--- * G * O * A * N * E * T *** C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * --- USDA certified Goa Sausages and other Goan foods can now be delivered to virtually any part of the world. http://www.goanfoods.com --- This was sent to Herald/Navhind Times/Gomantak Times/ Daily Gomantak/ V. Ixtt Gomantak Times has reported this item in its April 12. 2006 Edn. - Original Message - From: Goa Su-Raj Party To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: Press Note Re: Anti-Mopa Public Meeting at Pernem for kind favour of publication. Date: April 11, 2006 To, The Editor, GOMANTAK TIMES Panjim-Goa Via e-mail Sir, Subject: Press Note (re: Pernem SDM's refusal to grant permission for a Anti- Mopa Public Meeting. Hereinbelow please find the Press Note for kind favour of publication. Thanking you, Yours faithfully, (Floriano C. Lobo) G.S. Spokesperson ** Press Note. The Goa Su-Raj Party views with grave concern the refusal by Mr. Shetye, SDM of Pernem Taluka to give permission to hold the anti-MOPA public meeting at Pernem on 9th. April, 2006 for reasons that such a meeting will create a law and order situation. It is well understood that when a mega developmental project such as a modern full fledged new international airport is coming up in the State, there will always be people holding views that are in favour or against, especially when such a mammoth project is bound to affect peoples' lives. Goa Su-Raj Party is not concerned whether the majority of the people in Pernem Taluka, including the Taluka's elected representatives want MOPA or not. Goa Su-Raj party is concerned about the fact that under the guise of law and order, the democratic right of the people to express their opinions and their right to information is being trampled upon. There is no justification for any party or persons to declare that such a public meeting will not be allowed to take place at Pernem, in the same manner that the pro-Mopa faction would have a right to hold meetings at any place of their choice. Those who threaten to take law in their hands have to be tackled under the provisions of the law so that democracy is the winner at all times. The action of the additional Dy. Collector Mr. Shetye tantamounts to encouraging unlawful and anti-democratic means of silencing opposing views. The Goa Su-Raj Party is apprehensive of the fact that if the government falls prey to the strong-arm tactics of the pro-MOPA faction, it will certainly help in creating a North-South divide which will not be detrimental to the interest of the State of Goa as a whole. This must be avoided at all cost. The Congress government of Goa is already being blamed for its laxity in pre- empting Savordem-Curchorem riots. It is the raison d'etre of the government of the day is to see that pro and against opinions do not clash to culminate into a law and order situation but not at the cost of denying this right. Let the governments of the day respect that right if they respect democracy at all. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] Fw: Your Editorial - What is Goan? (H- April 10, 2006 )
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part III) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- - Original Message - From: Goa Su-Raj Party To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 9:52 AM Subject: Re: Your Editorial - What is Goan? (H- April 10, 2006 ) FOR KIND FAVOUR OF PUBLICATION To, The Editor, HERALD, Panjim-Goa Dear Sir, Re: Your editorial (H- April 10, 2006) What is Goan? This is to put on record that Goa Su-Raj Party, the newest fledgling registered political party of Goa has always been appreciative of your editorials since they have maintained Herald's stand of being very critical of Goa's self-centred politics and its politicians. Needless to say that the above editorial too is very much appreciated as it gives the comprehensive picture of what is happening to Goa and Goans. However, we like to differ with your assumption that Goa Su-Raj Party is floundering. We also see that you have equated a registered political party of 6 years such as the Goa Su-Raj Party with an association more likely considered a Non Governmental Organization (NGO) such as the Lok Shakti. We like to bring to your kind attention that it takes much more than a mere association of a group of people to be registered as a political party with the Election Commission of India. The question of Goa Su-Raj Party floundering on the wayside is out of the question because, for a vessel to flounder, it has to first set sail for a destination. For your kind information, Goa Su-Raj Party is still tied at the shipyard, getting ready to set sail with its engines being primed and tested with sea trials to test the waters, more of such trials to come in the period immediately before us. Besides, as you must know, no vessel that is being made ready in the shipyard to set sail in the immediate future has a full blown complement of its intended crew but only a few top rankers to see that everything conforms to the laws, rules and regulations pertaining to the seaworthiness of the vessel. Let us amply assure you that the keel of the Goa Su-Raj Party has been specailly fortified with 'steel' that is not likely to bend. The vessel is also being fitted with 'state of the art' equipment that will require for the maiden run when it is ready to set sail. At the moment the rest of the crew members that this vessel will require is being actively considered for their rugged stomachs to weather out any and all rough seas. We shall be highly obliged if you will publish our views that we were forced to bring out in view of your comments in the above editorial on the seaworthiness of the Goa Su-Raj Party so that the people of Goa may know that it will be very much safer for them to make their bookings for the maiden voyage to sail around Goa with Goa Su-Raj Party and around other destinations of the world, if desired. Thanking you, Yours faithfully, for Goa Su-Raj Party Sd/- Floriano C. Lobo Gen. Secretary/Spokesperson. Edit: So what is Goan? Yes, this question assumes importance that even the local Goan political party - the United Goan Democratic Party is floundering on many issues. Other local Goan parties like Lok Shakti and Goa Su-Raj are floundering on the wayside, more apt to just raise their voice occasionally. And if at the top there is no on fighting for what is Goan, then it is surprising that there is nothing left in Goa. Because if Goans cannot fight for Goa, who will?? _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Re: Goa's appalling Road Sense!
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- This qualifies you to be the CM of Goa or at the least the SP (Traffic) which position is presently held by Mr. A.V. Deshpande. In fact a delegation of 3 goasuraj memebers including yours faithfully were to meet the SP today at 4:30 P.M.. But this meet had to be cancelled as the SP was required to hold hands with St. Francis Xavier on His 500th anniversary. A 20 point discussion list is prepared, the answers to which will probably culminate in a PIL. What apalling road sense?? There is no road sence at all. Some idiot who does not know what is a national highway has planned our NH-17. floriano goasuraj Check out the Road Map for Goa Chapter VII Public Transport R.T.O. at www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 8:35 PM Subject: [Goanet] Re: Goa's appalling Road Sense! -- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Hello goanetters, We should know by now, that Goa's appalling Road Sense is just a mirror of India's (Mario Goveia's Super Power to be?) appalling Road Sense and all the other Nonsense in India. This is true Integration indeed! _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] nri meet afterthoughts
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Eugene, You must be kidding. Jerome Mendes' is the only association? I though Rene Barreto has another one. Maybe Vivian is toying with an idea of setting some other. Also there is a lot of noise being made by the Goan NRI Association with its website www.goa500.com Well, I wonder!!! Floriano goasuraj Check-out the Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org - Look at OUR DREAM ; OUR APPEAL therein Be PROUD to be a GOAN. Since I hear of only one NRI association in Goa, run by Jerome Mendes, it would be nice if this body takes the responsiblity of posting a petition on the www.petitiononline.com. .. Eugene Correia - Original Message - From: Eugene Correia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: [Goanet] nri meet afterthoughts -- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Here are some afterthoughts. As for hockey in Goa, it was the late Aniceto Fernandes, founder of Goan Sports, who formed and promoted both the men's and women's association. One of the charges against him was that he was based in Mumbai and running the sport from Mumbai. However, it was Govind S. Waglo who more ... _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] Ticket-Gate
-- Domnic Fernandes continues (Part II) his reminiscence of Mapusa of the 1950s http://www.goanet.org/index.php?name=Newsamp;file=articleamp;sid=426 -- Can anyone expect anything better when DAYANAND NARVEKAR IS INVOLVED?? Come next election, mark my words, he will be elected once again, Never mind the Soccoro IT Park, Never mind the Ticket Gate, Never mind Never Mind itself. There is nothing wrong with Narvekar. He is the same. It is the people. THEY ARE THE LEMBDE who want him there to make money. in the hope that they will get something out of it. floriano goasuraj Check-out the Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org Short and Sweet Chapter X for Sports Leisure - Original Message - From: WILSON SOARES [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2006 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Ticket-Gate Last time it was the BJP Govt. when fraud took place. Has the Congress Govt. learnt anything from that? Are they going to hush hush the matter as well? I think the ticket holders should get double the amount at-least for the time lost and the transportation costs etc. In other parts of the world, they (the organizers) would probably be sued for a much bigger chunk. Peoples power will always work as long as you take serious action on such matters but give some time for the Govt. to wake up first. Wilson Soares _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
Re: [Goanet] CORPORATIONS SHOULD BE RUN BY PROFESSIONALS
What aires means is the GOVERNMENT CORPORATIONS. If you look at the Article 38 of our Party's constitution, we have eliminated the Office of Profit as early as in the year 2000 when the Party was formed. The constitution is available at www.goasu-raj.org for verification. Best regards - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] CORPORATIONS SHOULD BE RUN BY PROFESSIONALS Aires, Are you talking about public or government owned Corporations? How would you legally impose what you are suggesting in any private Corporation? Mario --- airesrod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Politics today is never a losing proposition. Profit or no profit our MPs and MLAs should not be allowed to head Corporations as well and further milk our barren exchequer. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
Re: [Goanet] Accident at Guirim, innocent lives lost
Comments: When I was returning home after addressing the Anti-Mopa meeting at Cortalim on April fool's day, a one-eyed trailer truck, similar to the one in this accident case or perhaps the same truck was trying to overtake my Maruti 800 from O'Coqueiro to the Mapusa Junction where I take the right to go off the NH-17. Believe me it was at times, bumper to bumper running. I become adamant when I see rash driving and immediately reduce or increase my speed so that the vehicle behind cannot rashly overtake. Unfortunately, I couldn't jot down the registration number. It did occur to me later that I should have done that and alerted the non-existent traffic police of Goa especially after 6 P.M. It is believed that the same truck had a hit and run case at Banda a few days ago. I shall be calling the Mapusa police to find out if it was on 1st. April, 2006. If it is, and approximately at 10 P.M. or around that time, then the responsibility for this accident and the deaths must be fixed absolutely and categorically on the Goa Police because if they had caught this trucker with just one head-light, 2 days ago, this tragedy would not have happened and 2 Goans would not have lost their lives. I just got on to the Mapusa Police Station. It is confirmed that the truck responsible for this accident has a hit and run case at Banda before it came into Goa. That the drivers put off one head-lights in the nights to save on the battery. Therefore, I have asked the police person who was on the line if the police is not sleeping on the job. He accepts that and has the gall to say that it is the Traffic Police. Ha' Ha' I just tried to get the SP Traffic Mr. A.V. Despande on the line (Ph. 2426580/ 9822486565. Since I was not getting him on his mobile, I called the Office number. I am told that he is presently attending a meeting with the Collector. Rightly so, his mobile is off. I asked to speak to his junior the DY. S.P. The constable Bicholkar tells me that he too is not around. Therefore I spoke to Bicholkar himself. He confirmed that the truckers are putting off one head-light to save the battery. When asked why these guys are not challaned, he has the cheek to tell me that the traffic police do not have duty in the night. To that I shouted and told him to tell his boss to send all the traffic cops on leave during the day too because we do not need them if they cannot mind the roads at night where our Goans get cut down more during the night than during day time. I just can't wait to get the ears of the SP traffic himself. floriano goasuraj Check-out the Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org, the Road Safety at Chapter VII (5) - Original Message - From: Jee Rebello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 12:11 PM Subject: [Goanet] Accident at Guirim, innocent lives lost Saftey on Roads in Goa. Another fatal accident in Guirim, near Tiklo Pump, and two more innocent lives, father and the son have perished under the wheels of a sppeding truck. The mother, another girl and a young child still struggling for life in the hospital. Apparently, the truck that knocked off the Maruti, carrying the ill- fated family, was in high speed and riding on the wrong side of the driving zone with only one of its head lights functioning. Why such disasters keep happening on roads in Goa? Why is that nobody is doing anything about it? Why this inefficient government, the NGOs or the public in Goa is not doing anything to save the precious lives? why can't the authoraties, I mean the traffic department and the govt. cannot do atleast the minumum? Is Mr. Madkaikar, the transport minister busy only making illegal money. Why at least they don't try to do the following? 1. Try to inculcate disciplined driving through awareness and also by geuinely imposing regular fines. At least by cunsensus, keep curruption out of ticketing and during petrolling on roads! 2. Marking lanes on high streets and imposing heavy fines for the offenders. 3. Police petrolling during night time to catch the offenders such as the truck in the above case. 4. Imposing safety restrictions such as using safety belts, helmets, side indicators, etc. And to see that people follow these rules or impose heavy fines and confiscate the vehicles. And strictly following trafic rules. 5. Why is that govt. after govt. is trying to outdo one another to be populist and friendly to a careless rider at the cost of public safety. Please the Govt. of Goa do something, save innocent lives being crushed uner the wheels on the streets of goa. Goanneters, your family members and friends, please ride your vehicles safely, use all the saftey devices and strictly follow the trafic rules. Please spread the message. Regards Yyuki _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe
Re: [Goanet] Pre Pot 1961 Goa
Excellent, Fabulous, Great, Laudable, Exhilarating, Mind-Bogling, Superbe, And finally absolutely and unequivocally Sensible. Dear Tony, If I could sit down with the English (Oxford) Dictionary and search for more appropriate words, I would be happy to just do that to show my appreciation of this piece of a 'Gem' that has overflowed from your matured brains, .if only I had not to go hunting for a piece of a meal to put on my family's plate for tonight lest we all go hungry. I guess Goans will put aside all this colonial trash with its stale hangover and look ahead for once. There are more worthwhile things to do in a DEMOCRACY which Goans have forgotten is defined as the Government by the People, Of the People and for the People. We Goans have so far prefered to substitute the word 'people' in that definition for 'slaves' Power to your grey matter and your pen. with best regards floriano goasuraj Check-out the Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: [Goanet] Pre Pot 1961 Goa There are some controversies which will never end and considering the fact that we are still debating the pros and cons of Goa's liberation/invasion/annexation on Goanet 45 years after the event, makes it one such controversy. Since we cannot agree on a political description of the event to begin with, why not compromise and agree on a scientific description and call it absorption? The question whether things were better in Goa under the Portuguese prior to 1961 than they are now, entirely depends on one's personal point of view. We all know the story of the blind men and the elephant and as Shakespeare has said, beauty is in the eye of the beholder! If you happened to belong to the privileged class (and I confess that I myself did so - by accident of birth and not by choice, I might add!) you certainly enjoyed the good life and were duly rewarded for loyalty to the Portuguese colonial regime. The vast majority of the population, however, was illiterate, economically deprived and largely exploited. The territory was administered by a Portuguese Governor and ruled directly by decree from Lisbon under the Acto Colonial, even though it was euphemistically described as a Provincia Utramarina or Overseas Province. Today, it is a full-fledged State of the Indian Union, with a freely elected Goverment under universal adult franchise. It enjoys a high status under social development norms including literacy and health set by the United Nations. Yes, there is corruption - precisely because economic development has given scope for it. If things are in a bit of a mess, we have only ourselves to be blamed for it and it is no use blaming others. It is up to us to set matters right! The attitude of those who still hanker for the good old times under Portuguese rule will be well understood by psychiatrists and psychologists as displaying a slave mentality. It is an established fact that many freed slaves would choose to return to their masters because they preferred the security of captivity to the risks of freedom. Wild animals who have been domesticated can never be returned to the wild because they would have lost their ability to survive under free conditions. Satyameva Jayate! ---Tony Correia-Afonso. This message was sent using NWebmail, BSNL's Webmail Program _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: %(user_optionsurl)s This email sent to %(user_address)s
Re: [Goanet] Re: Re: Heinous crimes, Freedom Fighters Missing Something .
Dear Fred, Thanks for the colonial diarrhea. No. I am no colonialist or a pussyfoot lover of the 'shaming' so called Goan freedom fighters. Neither have I fallen in 'love at first sight' with Fr. Chico Monteiro et al. I am just a 'GOAN INDIAN' where 'most' will say that they are Indian first and then Goan. Why I say this is because Goa existed before independent India as such came along. So believe you me, and for your kind information, even if I ever take that oath which you so glibly insinuate at, I will take that oath as a GOAN FIRST and then a INDIAN. Maybe the powers that be will have to modify the line in the oath statement appropriately. As far as the Goan freedom fighters go, if they (the genuine FFs) have any self-respect, then they will see to it that the rascals who have infiltrated their ranks are out. Until such time they will have to tag the branded name of 'RASCALS' themselves. And, I have gone to the extent of openly branding such a 'RASCAL'' in the open forum at the TB Cunha hall recently. You say Quote Most? You are citing one case and then moving to most. Is there some reason or evidence to make such a statement. Is it just your feeling? Unquote Just tell me if I have to carry a load of cases to prove my point where just one is not enough??? I have gone on record of asking a Police Inspector once if I required one thousand people behind me to claim my rights as a citizen of India. You have very cleverly skirted the subject of 'JUSTICE' which was my driving point in my post . If you think that you can fire your shots at the pro-colonialists from my shoulders, then you are sadly mistaken. You may take your Anti/Pro Colonial or Anti/Pro-Portuguese, Anti/Pro India Anti/Pro Goa mindset and do with it what you will. I'm not interested. One thing is sure as to what I am not interested in. I am clearly not interested in taking or dishing out bulshit. I follow my nose. And I have found out that this is the only way. I am not bothered about being knowledgeable in all this high fundas that you have dished out. I have no time for that either to confirm or to deny. At this stage I will make another statement here as a G.S. of the party I am leading. The Navy will have to shift to Sea Bird at Karwar and clear the Dabolim Airport. Or else the Central Govt. will have to use its power to acquire the Dabolim Airport for the Navy. Until such time Dabolim Airport will remain a Civilian Airport of Goa. FYI I am not in the business of becoming a power seeking politician that you are so succintly hinting at. In fact I shall never be a difined politician. And if you think that you can cow me down with these useless insinuations, again, you are sadly mistaken. My work has been and is transparent. And, my ultimate aim is to get GOANs of every shade into the mainstream of making Goa what we Goans want it to be rather than helping the hyenas from Delhi and Nagpur and their chamchas in Goa whether they are politicians, journos or plain mindless citizens, to make it what they want it to be. with kind regards floriano goasuraj Check-out the Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: Frederick Noronha (FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Monday, March 27, 2006 3:09 AM Subject: [Goanet] Re: Re: Heinous crimes, Freedom Fighters Missing Something . Floriano Lobo wrote: I can prove to you that at least one person who had been lodged in Aguada jail for mis-appropriating the neighbour's property came out to declared himself a freedom fighter. That's fine. I don't doubt that. Freedom fighters have themselves been saying that (some) people who don't deserve the label have been included in their ranks. The case of the RSS members being packed in by the recent BJP government is a case in point too. That's political. But what I see as questionable is the attempt to by crypto-colonialists to support Portuguese rule by delegitimising ideas of freedom or pouring scorn on the entire class of freedom fighters (as if there was no idealism among them). This is what some are aiming at. This is just that you know that when I say 'most' it remains 'most and does not become 'all' . Most? You are citing one case and then moving to most. Is there some reason or evidence to make such a statement. Is it just your feeling?
Re: [Goanet] Re: Heinous crimes not unknown to Goa
Dear Fred, I do not blame you for saying what you have said. However, let me say that your hang-over of the past and the fuzz over the present probably obstructs your rational thinking sometimes perhaps. I can very well understand what has offended your inner sense. It is not what I have had to say but my prolonging the freedom word. Yes it is offensive to some, maybe to yourself. But, as usual, you must understand that I do not care about the hurt feelings of others, when, in the same manner, others do not care about mine. As I have said earlier, I do my home-work well. I can prove to you that at least one person who had been lodged in Aguada jail for mis-appropriating the neighbour's property came out to declared himself a freedom fighter. However, to his good luck, he saw what would happen and cancelled his name from the freedom fighter's list subsequently. If he had not, then what he later projected himself (and rightly so) to be the literary Goan of substantial fame would have been run into the ground by a person like me who is still holding the original sentence order of that criminal case where he was sent to prison, his wife too, for being an acomplish. This is just that you know that when I say 'most' it remains 'most and does not become 'all' . BTW if I was tht General Candeth at the time of Goa's so called liberation (which is not), I would have set up a judicial bench to identify criminals from freedom fighters before I threw open the prison gates. That would be the responsibility of the liberating forces. This has not happened and therefore I consider that Goa was not liberated but INVADED. If you, however, ever get a hangover over this statement of mine, please let me know. Then, in that case we shall have to refer to the order of the SUPREME COURT OF INDIA may have stated just what I have stated re the liberation of Goa. With kind regards floriano goasuraj Check-out the Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: Frederick Noronha (FN) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2006 9:09 AM Subject: [Goanet] Re: Heinous crimes not unknown to Goa Floriano, I fail to understand your logic. Or is there something I'm missing? A murder was committed in Moira. The murderer was promptly sentenced to jail. Come December 1961 (and the end of Portuguese rule) and the accused gets off and leaves jail. Ergo, all freedom fighters are bogus? Is this a logical argument? Well, there are dishonest politicians and dishonest journalists. But this doesn't mean all of these two categories are questionable. We can question the politics of some freedom fighters. We can question what they did or didn't do after the end of Portuguese rule. We can also raise issues about how they got incorporated as part of the state largess system post-1961. But to question the bonafides of all is just the lazy way out. I think some of us can't overcome the hangover of suffering a perceived loss of power and clout after the demise of the Portuguese regime. And any stick is good enough. FN floriano floriano at sancharnet.in * Previous message: [Goanet] Heinous crimes not unknown to Goa * Next message: [Goanet] CHAOS IN BANGALORE TOMORROW; IN GOA, DAY __ My cousin Wolfango Lobo (Wolfao to us) was murdered by a family trio over a fishing dispute. He was 24. The year was 1959. This makes its during the Portuguese regime. I was aprox 11-12 years old. There would have been 3 deaths but the other two (all cousins but not brothers, including Wolfao) survived.
Re: [Goanet] Heinous crimes not unknown to Goa
My cousin Wolfango Lobo (Wolfao to us) was murdered by a family trio over a fishing dispute. He was 24. The year was 1959. This makes its during the Portuguese regime. I was aprox 11-12 years old. There would have been 3 deaths but the other two (all cousins but not brothers, including Wolfao) survived. The perpetrators were caught trying to escape to Belgaum within hours of the crime, tried and sent to Aguada jail. The short and sweet trial was a sensation in the village of Moira. The entire act of the crime was enacted at the scene of the crime, just like in the films with the criminals as actors and substitutes for the victims, one having been burried and the other two in the hospital. The scene was that Wolfao's house was stoned at the dead of the night. All were sleeping in Wolfao's house as his mother was away. Wolfao went to investigate, cautioning others not to follow. As he was running, the culprits who were hiding behing the rubble fence (200 meters from the house) alerted him of their presence by dislogding a fence boulder. He came running back. They chopped him with Koitas and dumped him inside the fence. As there was no sign of Wolfao, Ciriaco went to investigate. He was done and dumped over Wolfao. After another gap of time David went to investigate and he too was done and dumped over the duo. The alarm was raised by Wolfao's kid brother at home when none returned. They found them all bloodied and heaped together full of red ants (Umule) Wolfao died on the way to the hospital. The ringleader got a lifer and the other two lesser jail terms. Come liberation (December 19, 1961) all walked out to celebrations and rejoicing. We were Free. It was Frdom. Most of the criminals of those days are today's pensioned Frdom fighters getting looked after with our tax-money. Makes me a little bit bitter. Init??? Floriano - Original Message - From: Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2006 9:36 AM Subject: [Goanet] Heinous crimes not unknown to Goa Last week Jose Colaco enumerated some terrible crimes in Goa. But a reminder to a ghastly crime in Goa took place more than 3 decades ago. Gurunath the paper boy chucks the Navhind Times on a cool Sunday morning to our second floor balcony and in 36p Times Roman one reads 'Double Murder in Caranzalem'. A lady and her daughter were brutally murdered and packed in tin suitcases. It was Police Inspector Dhaimode who kicked open the suitcases after neighbours complained about the stench coming from a house in a place called Kerrant, Caranzalem, Ilhas. The victims husband was away in Bombay working, the cook was a person from the new regime and Belgao. It is believed that the perpetrator took articles from the house. After a six month police investigation the person Kumar was arrested in Belgao. Kumar received the death penalty and was hanged in Aguada jail in 1980 not by his feet but by his neck. = What have Goans learnt from this heinous act? Today Pe. Ferrao was killed. How many more Goans are going to suffer this similar fate at the hands of those from the new regime? BC
[Goanet] Re: Crucifying upside down..........................
No advice in the world could be more appropriate and more directional than this one, dear Vivian. I seldom do mistakes in judging people's minds and/or whether or not they have theirs heads on their own shoulders. floriano goasurj Check -out the Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: Vivian D'Souza To the proponents of the knee-jerk reaction of crucifying upside down the murderers of Fr. Ferrao, may I respectfully suggest that you start practicing the Yoga pose Sirsa Asana or standing on your head for a period of time. You will find the increased circulation to your heads will bring clarity to your minds and you will also be able to watch the spectacle right side up ?
[Goanet] Re: NRI Association in Goa
Dear Mario, I have my good and valid reasons for saying what I have said in my below referenced post. And I can defend myself up-front in the face of any and/or all challenges w.r.t. the same from anyone including the names of the persons I have mentioned. I do my homework well when I go public. However, let me come on record here to say that I am not anyones ENEMY. Coming to the re-organizational set-up of the NRI/Global Goans, I do not see any such role for me to play. It is,afterall a self-looking after sort of organization which can be organized and floated very easily. But as Miguel Brazanza has said, the joint initiative is a must. What better than the already established GOAN NRI ASSOCIATION which already has a web-site in www.goa500.com? . I have personally taken interest in this website and I can see it emerging slowly but steadily, though it could be better managed. And I feel that the existing representative of the NRIs whom they have appointed themselves should be given a chance to prove himself within his mandated time period of one year. For a change his efforts must be appreciated with a small pat on the back. As for me, I am heading a much much bigger organization which has the task of reforming the political scene of Goa. And believe you me that it is a daunting task of changing the mind-set of the people of Goa who have generally lost faith in politics which affects their everyday lives and leave it to the hyenas to run away with everything they have. What is required here is much much more commitment than just self-help commitment. I am sure you understand this. However, I shall always remain a watch-dog as far as NRI/NRG movement is concerned to see the direction it is taking. We want it moving in the direction of breeching the wide gap between Goan NRIs that is existing and coming closer to a mythical UNITY. Afterall, Goan NRIs and NRGs is a very important component in the scheme of things designed by GOASURAJ for GOA. I fully appreciate your thinking but I must say Thank you, but NO. With kind regards floriano goasuraj Check-out the Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia Floriano, As you have realized, Vivian is an experienced and accomplished administrator. Since you both obviously have your heads on your shoulders, and since the old NRI association has been destroyed by the assorted pokhros, burn outs and military mentalities, why don't you two put your heads and shoulders together and re-start and revitalize the concept and hold effective functions that are well organized and would not be accused of being pochpochit?
Re: [Goanet] NRI Association in Goa
Vivian D'Souza needs to be commended for putting the work profile and/or the job of seeking some valid and useful answers to the NRI/NRG problems in Goa/India. Haven't I said before that Vivian has a head on his shoulders? At the last NRI convention held at the Kala Academy, I had taken a print-out of Vivian's post on goanet where he had said that it would be more profitable and satisfying to attend the Goa Sudharop function at CARITAS, Panjim rather than attending the pochpochit (my word, not Vivian's) inaugural function of the NRIs at the Kala Academy. However, I did not get a suitable time/opportunity to read it out openly which I had decided to do. What Vivian has put together (the work list) is what I had in mind when I proposed at the Kala Academy that the NRIs have their own representative on the NRI (useless existing) Cell to make it more vibrant. Having Herculano Dourado (a literal 'pokhro'), Chandrakant Keni ( a burn out), Brigadier Ian D'Costa (the Indian military mentanlity) etc. on the NRI Cell was a set back for the NRIs as it was. It would make the NRI Cell more NRI oriented with their own rotating representative inside in the Cell. Now that the NRI Cell is defunct, it is just as well. The NRIs in Kuwait should weigh well their dinars and fils against spending on the defunct Cell members who are going to be visiting them at the Kuwaitkar's cost for going there for their own personal agendas rather than to find the solutions to the Kuwaitkar's problems. If at all, the Kuwaitkar's problems will increase ten folds where there are none so that the NRI Cell members justify their being there. It is better that the Kuwaitkars throw them out by giving them a very very cold shoulder even if the weather in Kuwait does not permit it to be so. The answers that Vivian has sought are the answers that the present NRI representative will have to find and display on their very own official website the 'NRI Goan Association' at www.gos500.com Floriano goasuraj check-out the Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org PS. If some guys like Jaime Rebello and others get the qualification as NRIs, do I get one for being all over the world, not just Dubai or Bahrein for most of my working and earning life??? ( BTW I am indeed in very good humor at this very moment and this could be taken as a joke??) - Original Message - From: Vivian D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:23 AM Subject: [Goanet] NRI Association in Goa Can someone let me/all of us know the status of the planned NRI Association in Goa ? I attended a meeting of NRIs in February at the Kala Academy, but had to leave early. Later I heard that as an outcome of that meeting, an Association of NRIs in Goa had been formed, with a certain leadership. Then I heard that things had changed and there was a new leadership and the new Association was to be launched at a prominent restaurant in Verna. Then...total SILENCE. - I alerted subscribers to the GOAN-NRI forum that plans were afoot to start an association. I received several positive comments and requests to be signed up as members. Then we had a report from Floriano Lobo alleging yet another (rival) attempt to form an NRI Association. Can we not get our act together. ? Having come to live in Goa I would like to join other returnees like me, to network and to assist and inform each other of the problems they have encountered when returning to Goa and how they resolved them. If we are united we can accomplish a lot, including interacting as a group with the new NRI Commissioner. Topics.issues for discussion include but are not limited to the following: PIO (Person of Indian Origin) card vs Dual citizenship, the advantages and disadvantages of one versus the other. How does it affect one's foreign nationality. Retaining your NRI status when you come to Goa Customs regulations when bringing personal effects to Goa Income Tax on foreign income and local income Buying property, holding property through inheritance What is a form I XIV ? Getting a drivers license in Goa Purchasing a vehicle in Goa Strategies to remove legal or illegal tenants and encroachers from your property Foreigners Registration, who needs to register, and why. Special priveleges accorded to senior citizens in India (discount on air and rail fares for example). Medical and dental treatment in Goa/India, . Working or starting a business or NGO in Goa Establishing a NRI Village or Township in Goa, with amenities that NRIs have gotten used to abroad. (I am not a proponent of such a scheme, but just putting it out for discussion). Clearly, all of the above are important topics. Some of us having lived here for a while may have answers to some of them. Others may not have a clue. Together we can seek answers, invite speakers, professionals
[Goanet] A first hand report on 'GLOBAL GOANS ASSOCIATION' courtesy Rene Barreto
/Subash Velingkar sponsored SUDHARSHAN meet at Campal. When Vivian DSouza introduce to the audience (including myself) Vice Admiral John C De Silva,, PVSM, AVSM (Retd), the former Vice Chief of the Indian Naval Staff, I was elated. Not because I was in the same room as him, but because I could say hello to him. And believe me, I did. But Mr. John De Silva will probably have a bad taste in his mouth remembering me because I did tell him a thing or two about politics at large over a glass of beer. I acknowledge that no person of his stature who has grown up to strict disciplined, will tolerate such free advice from novices like me. But then, I cannot blame him altogether. As they say, the dogs tail never goes strait even if it is placed in a straight pipe for any length of time. Navy is a disciplined organization of which I am also a product, though it has been the merchant navy. Nevertheless, I am sure that Vice Admiral (retd) will never agree to my walking off the meet as I did to rebuff Mr. Rene Barretos attitude. I had to do it when I found out that Mr. Rene Baretto had a hidden agenda of setting-up the Global Goans Association and delivering it to the GCCI on his own terms and was utterly impatient to hear other peoples views and wanted to push the agenda through just because he had called some few high-ranking people and served them with some pep talk a la Nitin Kunkolienkar and Manguirish Pai Raikar. No Sir. I object to this trickery from my very bones. Why??? The reason: When Goa Su-Raj Party was formed, the deliberations were carried on for over 10 meetings with delegates who were prominent Goans who were in the know of what was happening to Goa and what remedies were required. It was not formed over just one meet of colleagues with vested interests. Many were invited, cajoled and coaxed to come and deliberate in the ensuing brain storming sessions. Even personalities like Srinivas Dempo, Averthan DSouza and others were invited. Did they want to join-in?? No Sir. People like Averthan DSouza would like us gullible Goans to think that things are going bad through letters to editors and polished articles in the newspapers and magazines from the sanctity of their bedrooms and lecturing us Goans of what is going wrong and what is not going right. But invited to come up front ! No Sir! I am busy or I am indisposed. To hell with people with such mentality. The process of reforming Goas vile politics must go on with or without such sages. To me Mr. Rene Barreto is a complete HOAX. He should not meddle with such set-ups which will have heavy repercussion on Goa and Goans in the long run, especially when such organizations are formed hap-hazardly to show one-up-manship. I say that there must be a dialogue and a lengthy one at that, especially if we are talking of a Global Goan Organisation. And, however much that I disagree or disagreed with the NRI Facilitation Cell that has been taking NRIs and NRGs for a jolly good ride for the last three years, I strongly believe that any proposal to set-up an organization such as the Global Goan Organization much be set up with the full involvement of the NRIs and NRGs. I was present at the last NRI convention at the Kala Academy when at the pointed question that I had raised that the Goan NRIs do not have their own representative on the NRI Facilitation Cell, such a representative was elected by them and who the Chief Minister Mr. Pratapsing Rane had assured a place on the NRI Cell. How does, then, Mr. Rene Barreto justifies calling up for this motley meeting and try to set up a Global Goan Association in the first place without involving the NRIs declared own representative?? I am at a loss to understand this up front. A lot of good suggestions have come out in the above supposedly Global Goan meet. However, these suggestions must be treated with very sensitive gloves in order that the RSS hyenas who hide behind sheeps clothing do not get to sink their teeth in the unholy mess. Our only warning to Mr. Rene Barrtto is to lay-off from selling the Global Goans in the hands of the RSS. Grow-up Mr. Rene Barreto. Will you? Goa has a last chance to come out of the fudge that we Goans have created over the centuries by being self-centered and by displaying our one-upmanships for our own vested goods. Let us now collectively join-up together to save our own skins before they are put up on the drying line by the RSS goons going around in sheeps clothing. We at goasuraj had tough time in admonishing Mr. Jaime Rebello and his colleagues from inaugurating the song and dance NRI Forum at Leonoras at Verna very recently. Now we find that you are a busy-bee in selling the Global Goans to the RSS lock-stock and barrel. Floriano Lobo Goasuraj Check-out the Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org
Re: [Goanet] GOA FOR GOANS! - final
Cheers! Mario, That makes two of us. Tks best rgds Floriano goasuraj Check-Out the Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] GOA FOR GOANS! - final Floriano, You are a gentleman and a scholar. Mario. --- floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Mario, Thank you for opening a larger view-window to life.
Re: [Goanet] Goa Governor reacts to allegations
Quote The OSD also asserted ever since his appointment as Governor of Goa in July 2004, Jamir, former Nagaland Chief Minister, had completely detached himself from politics as required by the gubernatorial position he holds. Therefore, the allegation had come to him as a bolt from the blue, he pointed out. Unquote This is 100 per cent Hog Wash, preposterous!!. No person involved in politics and grown old can detach oneself from it the way Sebastian Zumvu wants us to believe. Otherwise why should it be a 'bolt from the blue'?? if it did not come striking a hypocritical heart??? Floriano goasuraj check-out t he Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2006 4:36 PM Subject: [Goanet] Goa Governor reacts to allegations http://www.kanglaonline.com/index.php?template=headlinenewsid=30334typeid= 1 Goa Governor reacts to allegations North East Press Service Kohima, Mar 14 (NEPS): The Governor of Goa SC Jamir has been drawn to an article which appeared in the local press this morning by one Kivi Kips, Dy Secreatry, MIP, GPRN, under the caption Sovereignty Versus Integration alleging that [t]he nexus between Neiphiu Rio and IM terrorists was also greeted with obligatory support from S.C. Jamir, the Governor of Goa who promised Neiphiu for Congress support should his son (Apok Jamir) be made Deputy Chief Minister, next to Rio (sic), according to Sebastian Zumvu, OSD to the Governor. ...
Re: [Goanet] GOA FOR GOANS! - final
Dear Mario, Thank you for opening a larger view-window to life. I am a trained ex-merchant marine officer where discipline is grilled in one's bones. And my view of the world is always tinted with the hue that discipline displays. I grew up in pre-liberation Portuguese Goa where I am proud to have willingly sold home-grown vegetables in the Aldona/Mapusa markets to make ends meet while in school and even headed a heavy vegetable basket on Fridays to reach my mother to the taxi-stand on the way to school (SSC), without foot wear (as t he same was a tradition for all, then). And I have grown up liking two things: (1) Discipline and (2) Dignity of labour. In my days at sea, I have been privileged to be among people of standing in most countries of the world I have visited. And hence the kaleidoscope of my vision on the way of life. But despite this, the two thumb-rules listed above that makes me tick have weathered out and will always be a part of my psyche come what may. It is this that sees me in the High Court at Panjim most often when I should be up and about the business of taking care of my own stomach. Nevertheless, your vision in life has given me something to think about and I shall treasure the same, rest assured. with warm regards Floriano goasuraj check-out the Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] GOA FOR GOANS! - final Floriano, My reference to Portugal as a third rate European country was somewhat tongue-in-cheek. Let me assure you that I love Portugal and the Portuguese, whom I will defend as the least racist of all Europeans or any other people for that matter, and they have a susegad outlook on life that is to be admired. I would love to socialize more with them. The problem with Goa and India is not freedom and democracy. It is citizens who are willing to tolerate corruption and ineffiency and wasted tax money, leaving other frustrated citizens to yearn for a nanny (with a whip) to maintain order. After growing up and living and working in India for several years in the best of circumstances, we gave up on the system and took an opportunity to opt out to another sausage factory. Fortunately, the world has evolved in a way that we can now enjoy the best of both worlds. With best wishes, Mario. --- floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario, All I can say is that PEOPLE HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT 'FREEDOM' IN A DEMOCRACY MEANS A third rate European Country by your standards, maybe. But I have been there extensively just like in Singapore.
[Goanet] NRIs -NRGs Goans - FW Press Releases - Comments
FIRST THIS:- - Original Message - From: Bernado Colaco Subject: Re: Worldwide Forum of Non Resident Goans http://www.globalgoenkar.com/index.htm Now that an association is in place, please do not fight and get into the ego madness which is common among us(Goans). Regards BC --- Goa's Pride Goa-World.Com wrote: Worldwide Forum of Non Resident Goans http://www.globalgoenkar.com/index.htm News Flash Inaugration of the Forum on 16th March, 2006 at 10am. Venue : Leonaras Restaurant, Verna, Goa. AND BEFORE ANYONE HAS A CHANCE TO SAY JACK ROBBINGS NOW THIS:- - Original Message - From: Manuel Studio Subject: Press Release for goa500.com Manuel Caldeira (First appointed representative of NRIs NRGs at the NRI Convention at Kala Academy, Panjim on 4-1-2006.) End COMMENTS: The above two posts on the heel of each other gives credence to what is said about Goa and Goans. If two Goans get together there must be three organizations No sooner one organization came up with its inaugural schedule, pronto comes another one beating its own Reng-te-Teng. Now the problem here is who to believe This becomes a diffifult task for us at goasuraj which has been beating its own Reng-te-Teng for almost nigh six years and wanted to believe that there would be some sanity amongst Goans especially after the bone crushing communal riots in Savordem/Curchorem. We are no strangers to either the newly elected President of the NRI Forum Mr. Jamie Rebello nor Mr. Manuel Caldeira the officially appointed NRI representative. Mr. Jamie Rebello happens to be our party's 'Life Member since past many years. On the other side, Mr. Manuel Caldeira happens to be a recent Moidekar, having established his handicraft venture dealing with ceramics. We have, to a certain extent, through our founding president Mr. Floriano Lobo, who is also a Moidekar, with the Party's Head Office located at Moira, helped Mr. Caldeira overcome the harassments meted out to him by his vile neighbours as well as by Government authorities while setting up his enterprise, when we realised that he was the appointee of the NRIs to represent them with the the Government NRI-Cell appointed at the last NRI convention at the Kala Academy, Panjim in January. We are in a precarious position to place ourselves between these two persons, or seemingly two parallel organizations dealing with the same entity, 'THE NRIs. But we as a party with its raison d'etre being Goan Unity cannot play spoil-sports with both sides and damage what is good for Goa and Goans. Therefore, we must take our unequivocal stand. And the stand we take is to denounce what Mr. Jamie Rebello is doing with all his friend circle and uphold and recognize Mr. Manuel Caldeira as the NRIs sole appointed Representative to liaise with the Government appointed NRI-CELL. It is unprecedented that an organization such as ours will denounce its own life member. But we cannot and will not play with fire which is starting to consume the NRI Goans who are poised to make a beginning after three long years of venting their frustrations on the Goa Government's apathy towards the NRIs and NRGs. We have witnessed the venting of such frustrations during the three NRI conventions. It is time to start with clear objectives and not just the song and dance that Goans are known to associate with come sun, come rain. This is serious business and the FORUM set out by Mr. Jaime Rebello has no place other than to back Manual Caldeira in his efforts to make a clean beginning. There is always a proper time for the NRIs to think away from Manuel Caldeira once his term until the next NRI convention is over. If the FORUM set-up by Mr. Jamie Rebello by appointing himself as its President does not call off the inaugural function at Leonora's come 16th. March, 2006, it will be tantamount of hoisting a BIG BLACK FLAG to announce to the world that Goans cannot ever UNITE and work as ONE. Goasuraj will work whole-heartedly with the Goan NRIs only through their officially appointed representative Mr. Manuel Caldeira until such time that the NRIs decide to appoint their new representative. goasuraj Check-out the Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org
Re: [Goanet] GOA FOR GOANS! - final
Mario, All I can say is that PEOPLE HAVE MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT 'FREEDOM' IN A DEMOCRACY MEANS To elaborate further Freedom means one can do anything one likes. The whip is locked in a safe never to be seen. When I talk of Portuguese rule, I mean 'the whip' Singapore is a perfect democracy where I see the omnipotent/omnipresent WHIP which brings out blood and keeps lasting scars. Maybe like Rane, you will prefer to say that Singapore is a 'police state' A third rate European Country by your standards, maybe. But have been there extensively just like in Singapore. Have you?? rgds Floriano goasuraj check-out the Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] GOA FOR GOANS! - final --- floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MINUS THE PORTUGUESE, GOA VERY BADLY NEEDS THE ERSTWHILE PORTUGUESE RULE BACK IN PLACE. For that to happen in Goa, and for it to have a cleansing effect on the political scene in the COUNTRY, Mario observes: Floriano, I think you may agree that this will happen about the time that hell experiences global cooling, which will be after the current global warming completes it's cycle :-)) What any democracy needs is for honest people to step up and for the population to vote them into power. It's not easy, but nothing in a free democracy is easy. Which is why some people prefer the stability of a nanny to dictate to them and take care of them, even if it's a third rate nanny. Look how upset some people are that 50 million Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq are now developing into free and democratic countries, especially people who do not live there. Apparently, they preferred these countries to live under the tender care of the Taliban and Saddam. Surprisingly, many of these critics live in democratic countries. In the meantime, it may help everyone to accept the fact that the era of white, patronizing, dictatorial, colonial rule over brown people is over, even that of third rate European countries who are now unable to compete with their previous subjects. Best of luck in achieving your fantasy of Portuguese rule, minus the Portuguese, and that of Gabriel and Bernardo, who think tilting at windmills like Don Quixote wil make the windmills run better.
Re: [Goanet] Peace Meeting in Mapusa :Herald report
Dear Minguel, First, with due respect to you, I don't like the way you spell Mapusa. The Mapusa Municipality has not bothered to reply to our letter when we asked if the name change was effected through proper procedures. Second. I agree with you fully on the text of your post. But you have missed Vailankani (Market), the gumti at the Taxi stand. The one next to Christ Rei Mapusa Church, one accross Mandarin Hotel etc. All these and more should go along with their promoters. Will they?? Best of luck. As for me I have become allergic to funnels and beat music in Churches. Therefore I give Church services (except funerals) a wide berth. But should you yearn to be rid of all these and more, give goasuraj just 15 days. You will breath more easier and might even want to pray a little for ole time's sake. Floriano goasuraj check-out the Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 10:08 AM Subject: [Goanet] Peace Meeting in Mapusa :Herald report Dears, The report below is on a Peace Meeting held at Sirsat Mini Hall on 11 March, 2006. It was chaired by Adv. Norma Alvares and had the opening remarks made by Vishwas Gupte. The proceedings were summed up by Adv.Albertina Almeida. I had made one more point: No religion claims that its god is deaf. In any case, worhip of god pre-dated the advent of sound amplification devices. So where is the need to fit loudspeakers OUTSIDE the place of worship. Those who wish to pray need to enter the place of worship. A good place to begin the LEGAL demolitions of the ILLEGAL by the Goa Administration is the illegal shrine of Our Lady of Valainkani over the Municipal Storm water drain and part of the Asilo Hospital facing the Casaualty and OPD, Mhapsa. All the property on which the said shrine stands belongs to the Goa Government and it has full right to recover its property as per law. The shrine , though illegal has been blessed by Fr. Roque Barreto, the then Parish Priest of St. Jerome Church Mapusa, and has the BJP MLA of Mapusa constituency, Francis D'Souza, as one of its patrons. It regularly uses the prohibited 'funnel' loudspeakers to amplify the prayers and disturb the already traumatized victims of accidents as well as the in-patients of the Asilo Hospital, to say nothing of the in-mates of the Old Age home next door. Recently, one employee of a bank is learnt to have put up an illegal grotto by trespassing into private property adjoining an existing chapel in Aldona. The Parish Priest has correctly refused to 'bless' it. Will the Village Panchayat demolish it, since it would have been erected without a construction licence? Illegality cannot be permitted in the name of God. The Bible is clear, Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's. or give the Government its due. We also need to demolish the mini temples and shrines at the entrance of the Municipal market, opposite Ashok Hotel and opposite Ticlo's Petrol Pump. Our Hindu bretheren have the Maruti temple , the Laxmi-Narayan Temple and a host of local shrines from Bodgueshwar to Rashtroli dedicated to the Rakhondar of pre-Hindu believers. The Catholics have the Church and a number of Chapels all over Mhapsa. So there is absolutely no need for new structures, specailly ILLEGAL ones. and no god is deaf. Scream your heart out, but keep the amplifier and sound system within the four walls of the prayer house. You are infringing on the rights of others to a better quality of life. Viva Goa Miguel - Original Message - From: Vidyadhar Gadgil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Herald, 12/03/06 HERALD CORRESPONDENT MAPUSA, MARCH 11 - In a bid to maintain communal harmony in the State following the recent communal clashes in Curchorem and Sanvordem, a group of social activists have recommended the constitution of an all- party committee to identify all illegal religious structures in the State. The speakers, who met in the city on Saturday evening, also suggested an action plan to have these structures demolished within the ambit of law by authorities.
Re: [Goanet] GOA FOR GOANS! - final
Between GMB i.e Gabriel, Mario Bernardo and perhaps maybe many more Goans, this debade 'GOA FOR GOANS' may continue or die its natural death. But I believe that each one who has participated or is participating in this debade has done his/her best as according to what he/she believes. And those beliefs cannot be discarded off-hand as these have grown up with each person to maturity and is a part of the psyche of that person. However, as one of the minor participants in this ongoing debate and since I too have grown up being part of both the 'ertwhile' and the 'present rule' in Goa and being much involved in bringing-in a face-change in the political system for GOA in particular and for India in general, I will say once again what I have said before, many a times. MINUS THE PORTUGUESE, GOA VERY BADLY NEEDS THE ERSTWHILE PORTUGUESE RULE BACK IN PLACE. For that to happen in Goa, and for it to have a cleansing effect on the political scene in the COUNTRY, acknowledging that INDIA is a sleeping SUPERPOWER, NATIONAL PARTIES MUST BE CONFINED TO CONTEST ONLY THE PARLIAMENTARY SEATS AND LEAVE THE STATE ASSEMBLIES TO THE REGIONAL PARTIES. OR DISBANDON THE STATES ALTOGETHER AND RE-INTEGRATE INDIA INTO FOUR ZONES I.E. NORTH SOUTH EAST WEST. Amen Floriano Lobo goasuraj check-out the Road Map for Goa at www.goasu-raj.org Original Message - From: Gabriel de Figueiredo [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] GOA FOR GOANS! - final --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The amusing revisionist nostalgia for colonial subservience continues unabated. It is not revisionist nostalgia - I lived there at the time, so did a lot of people still in Goa. Ask the 70 and 80-year-olds who graduated through Liceu and the Escola Técnica or Escola Médica (incidentally, the first allopathic medical college in Asia), and continue to live in Goa. I just interviewed one on a personal basis, to confirm my experiences, and we spoke in Konkani. He graduated from Liceu then from the Escola Técnica, concluding the latter a year after liberation; then worked for various Govt depts finally retiring as a Chief Eng at the Electricity Dept in Panjim. He tells me there were more issues between Goans (to show who was the greater one amongst them) than between the Portuguese and the Goans. And on a converse issue, I was also told by this person that the Brits really ill-treated the Indian taxi drivers prior to 1947, something that never even happened in Goa. Gabriel and Bernardo are living proof that there will always be some Goans who love the notion of being sycophants under the heel of a backward third rate European country and not part of a budding superpower. That is your opinion. 45 years later it's still a backward third rate European country, but still close to the hearts of Gabriel and Bernardo, Oh, how good their boots tasted, and how about all those imported cars and duty free cosmetics. Oh, for the good old days! Can we turn back the clock, PLEASE? I object to that insinuation. Gabriel, apparently from aristocratic and affluent Loutolim, is unaware that most village Goans back then used bullock-drawn carts for transportation in most of Goa, not the fancy foreign vehicles he lists, which could not make it back to the rutted roads in most of the villages. Perhaps you did not read my last post in its entirety. I agreed life in villages was like what you stated, including having hitched many a ride on bullock-carts. Did I not? But not in Panjim, Mapuçá, Vasco, Margão or Pondá. So what if the village life was village life? How long did you spend in Goa pre-1961? And more importantly, where did you spend that time? I know of taxis (the very same the fancy foreign vehicles) that used to ply on the mud roads of Darbandora (a border village). And many of these roads were twin cement-concrete tracks, some of which can still be seen under that tarmac between Mapuçá and Moirá/Nachinolá. Gabriel is wrong about colonial Goa being like most Indian towns. I grew up in a medium sized Indian town and know that most of Goa under the Portuguese was more like an Indian village rather than any Indian town, because the Brits had done a far superior job in India than the somnolent Portuguese had done in Goa. Bah! somnolent Portuguese left a far superior life-style in the whole of Goa than ever did Brits in British India. Not my opinion, but various publications have stated this. And the Goan administration under the Portuguese ensured every village, under a Regedor, was clean and tidy. And there was an ancient system of Comunidade that the Portuguese left alone as it was efficient, but the Indians destroyed replacing it with the inefficient and corrupt Panchayat system. You can sneer and fool around
[Goanet] Re: Now a new twist to the tale.
If at all any structure that needs to be effectively demolished, it is the Directorate of Panchayats along with its Director, the Deputy Director and the concerned Minister. I have my own very good reasons for saying what I am saying. ANYONE WHO HAS ASKED FOR A STAY ON DEMOLITION OF ILLEGAL STRUCTURE HAS NEVER BEEN DENIED. IT IS '' ASK AND YOU 'MUST' RECEIVE with the word 'shall' cremated for good. The Panchayat Raj Act is a tom-foolery of its worst kind. Under the Indian Administration, no law, rule or regulation exits without gaping loop-holes. Every law is designed for the ultimate benefit of the criminal rather than for the benefit of the victim. The Panchayat Raj Act needs very serious amendments by way of stipulating severe penalties for the Director and the Deputy Director for granting stays left-right and centre to anyone who applies for it. As it stands, it is designed to feed the lawyers who are not very successful in Civil and Criminal matters. It fails to satisfy my mind as to why an ordinary villager who has never gone to court or a lawyer should do the same for simple matters which during the ertwhile Portuguse regime the village REGEDOR would solve. In 99 cases out of hundred, when the Sarpanches of the Village Panchayats move to demolish blatant illegal structures (the ones erected in someone else's properties, stays are given forthwith by the impotent Director demolishing the stand and the morale of the Sarpanch and the Panchayat who is trying to enforce the law. Presently, as the Panchayat Raj Act stands the Director of Panchayat is a puppet on a string whose only job is to execute everything told to him over the phone by ministers and the Chief Minister and to frolic from his office to the respective minister's cabin or the house like an errand-boy. I want any Director or Panchayats, present or otherwise to challenge my statement and I will run him down into the ground. The Deputy Director of Panchayats is indeed the Director of Panchayat's valet and nothing else. The present Minister for Panchayats Mr. Subash Shirodkar is not fit to clean the Panchayat toilets. He exists only because he has of late developed a good pair of tonsils and built a strong Midas' room to fill up what was absolutely empty. The present duo i.e Director of Panchayat and his Deputy in Mr. Menio D'Souza and Mr. C.D. Gaude will hopefully be different from 'Yes Sir' category. Floriano Lobo goasuraj Ph. 2470223 9422060347
[Goanet] Re: Revealing editorials regarding Sanvordem incidents, from Gomantak Times
All I can can here is WELL DONE once again, Mr. Syjay Gupta. If anyone has not told you yet, you may find out from Suhasini Prabhugaonkar that I have blown my top at the TB Cunha Hall when I addressed the meet called to discuss Savordem/Curchorem riots and action to be taken. After blasting speaches from Dr. Oscar Rebello and Ulhas Buyao, I have openly said the following. Flashing your GT front page, I have pointed out the two CRIMINALS who are solely responsible for this catastrophe. Manohar Parrikar and Pratapsing Rane. I have called them the coroborators and conspirators who need to be banished from this land of peace. I have point blank pointed out to the audience, among whom was Ex-MP Adv. Amrut Kansar, that this rot started in 1961 when the most communal people took the helm of Goa through the Maharashtra Gomantak Party. I told the audience that MGP WAS COMMUNAL, IS COMMUNAL AND WILL BE COMMUNAL. And I invited anyone to challenge me on that. Since none came up I further elaborated my statement by telling the audience that if MGP was staunchly non-communal, it would not be gobbled by the communal BJP. The next salvo I fired was against the confirmed RSS Goa freedom fighter Mr. Naguesh Karmali who by the way was present for the meet. I told the audience that Naguesh Karmali is a blot on the reputation of TB Cunha, the freedom fighter, for his involvement in the destruction of Fontainhas and that he should be thrown out from the TB Cunha Hall management. Again there was no challenge from anyone nor from Mr. Karmali himself. Later when I ran into him, he tried to justify his actions vis a vis Fontainhas. I asked him just one question. Why did you not bring this up after the liberation? Why did you not bring this up one decade after liberation? Why after 40 odd years and when the RSS BJP was ruling? He had no answers and he went away. In his speech, Adv,. Amrut Kansar who was first MGP, then GLP (Gomant Lok Poxh) and now a congressman perhaps told the audience that it was MGP who imported staunchly committed communalists to Goa in the form of Hindu priests (Bhats) from Maharashtra to poison the minds of the people. Pandurang Kunkolkar, the leader of the ST community in Goa spoke openly that political parties including Bandodkar's MGP have baited the people with religious incentives of building temples and other religious places and community houses and have perenially reaped the benefits in terms of votes. This should change he said. Minguel Branganza ( as well as Ulhas Buyao) condemned SUNAPARANT, the Konkani daily edited by Sandesh Prabhudessai for its communal overtone by giving space to Subash Velingkar who is the totally poisoned RSS bigot. With these open statements the busybees of Goan Identity like Dattaraj Salgaokar, Datta Naik of Lok Shakti and others got smeared badly. The unique message that was given in this interaction is that RELIGION SHOULD BE OUT OF GOVERNANCE. This is what GOASURAJ is proudly professing and promoting through its ROAD MAP FOR GOA and its general outlook. If Goa wants to preserve its traditional peace and harmony, it must throw out the contaminators in NATIONAL PARTIES and screen those that come up as REGIONAL parties for communal seeds well enconshed in the heart to reap political gains. DOWN WITH THE CONGRESS AND THE BJP The rest will follow suit on their own. Floriano Lobo Goasuraj
Re: [Goanet] GOA FOR GOANS!
Honest candidates??? my bloody foot. 1. Honesty must be tested and tested right WITH A WRITTEN DOWN PROGRAMME. That translates into the candidate saying what he/she will do and what he/she will not do. 2. The prospective candidate must endorse the written down PROGRAMME. 3. He must not drive on the wrong-side of the ROAD detailed in such ROAD MAP. If there is anyone fitting the above bill, I want to know about it. Most often the so called honest person is a sock in the wind. Cheers Floriano goasuraj Check-out download www.goasu-raj.org for such a ROAD MAP - Original Message - From: Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2006 9:35 AM Subject: [Goanet] GOA FOR GOANS! Hi Savika, I have not seen your posts before on any other thread. Your initial post received the usual hammer and nail response. I hope you get my zest. From your recent response, you have weathered the hammers; and the head of the nail refuses to budge. So I guess, you are committed and serious about doing something good for Goa's political process. I do not live in Goa. But I have enough gray hair to help you (and other Goans) understand how democracy and elections work.
Re: [Goanet] Re: Goa for Goans
Dear Mario, Frankly speaking, I had a very good and hearty laugh ( which BTW I have not had in a long time) over this excellent response of yours. Indeed YES!! Migrants they are. And those who are on ground zero (most) need to have their heads examined. If they are not sucking up to some national , then they are sucking up for their own private personal agendas. I have always said this. GIVE ME TEN GOANS to count on the ten finger tips AND WE GOANS will rule GOA with the RULE OF LAW and not these riff-raff chamchas of the national parties. rgds Floriano - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Friday, March 03, 2006 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Re: Goa for Goans --- Floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Vote banks: I was talking of migrant vote-banks to come to power. Goans no longer decide for Goa. Migrants do. Mario observes: Floriano, as you must have noticed, the most ardent proponents of Goa for Goans, at least on Goanet, do not have any intentions of living in Goa. They are migrants to some other country, but complaining about migrants in Goa!
Re: [Goanet] Re: Goa for Goans
Floriano responds to Gilbert L. Very well said, indeed. Song and dance comes natural to Goans. Who cares! who is dragging me in the gutter as long as we get to enjoy my cop, sorpotel and my picnics and fun?? PS. I write this while the 'Mapusa' carnaval rolls by to song and dance. On Vote banks: I was talking of migrant vote-banks to come to power. Goans no longer decide for Goa. Migrants do. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:14 AM Subject: [Goanet] Re: Goa for Goans Response to Floriano. Vote banks is nothing peculiar to Goa or India. Under different names, (sometimes called voting blocks or party base), it is the basis of democracy and elections. After the election the group trades the banked-votes for social and economic progress and preferences. The reason why many Catholic Goans complain about vote bank is because WE (repeat WE) are apathetic / unable to work together to create a common platform, common priorities and a vote bank. This inability to work together does not apply only to the Catholics in Goa. It also applies to Goans in the diaspora. The only common platform diaspora Goans rally around is a celebration ani Scotch ani Sorpatel. This is thanks to our diaspora village presidents and other social coordinators. Then these Goan leaders in the diaspora conveniently say, We do not need a big Goan association. As the saying goes, You have three Goans and five totally different perspectives on any given issue. And the successful Goans just elect to stay away from all this Kerem-Kerem. Kind Regards, GL
Re: [Goanet] GOA FOR GOANS!
Mario, you say In my opinion, it's not democracy that is at fault in Goa and India, but a subservient and careless population that goes along with abuses without rising up and electing honest people. Floriano responds.. You are very right on the above. It is the people who choose for themselves in a democracy. Honesty, is another ball game altogether. Which honest person will spend a load of his hard-earned money to wnat to get elected? Therefore all we get is seemingly 'Honest crooks' On manipulation: Without manipulations and strong arm tactics the Portuguese hadn't reach places to colonize. They all did. However I have grown up in the economically starved Goa under the Portuguese rule, where my father had to come home to us like a wanted criminal and 60% of his earnings taken away by taxes. But if I have grown up in difficult times, I have also grown up with values which the Portuguese pormoted. The manipulations I am talking about is the VOTE BANK MANIPULATIONS TO REMAIN AND/OR COME TO POWER. Let our democracy go ahead. It must. But let it go ahead with written down roadmaps by political parties so that the election time promises do not vapourize in thin air once the elections are over. Let people elect candidates who do not have money to spend on them. Let the parties say they will offer 'NO SECOND TERM' to their candidates. And if the India wants to survive in the true democratic tradition, then let NATIONAL parties only contest Parliamentary elections and be banned from contesting State/REGIONAL elections. Only in this case, the sucking-up to National Parties by States will end. - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 12:22 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] GOA FOR GOANS! --- floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Goa has had 450 years of Portuguese rule sans corruption, sans manipulations, sans the race towards building vote banks. Goa's liberation saw the Indian so called democratic rule aka self-governance for the last 45 years. This Indian/self-governance rule has outdone the good that was built for the last 450 years in just 45 years. Mario asks: Floriano, Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Goa a COLONY of a third rate European country, acquired by force 450 years ago, where there was no such thing as democratic rule, and no such thing as economic development either, except that which benefited Goa's colonial masters. How can you claim sans manipulation when a colony is nothing but manipulation and exploitation, and sans vote banks when voting meant nothing? In my opinion, it's not democracy that is at fault in Goa and India, but a subservient and careless population that goes along with abuses without rising up and electing honest people.
Re: [Goanet] GOA FOR GOANS!
Dear all, I have been keenly following the 'GOA FOR GOANS' line of thought, its pros and cons. And I would like to contribute my two bits towards the same. Goa has had 450 years of Portuguese rule sans corruption, sans manipulations, sans the race towards building vote banks. Goa's liberation saw the Indian so called democratic rule aka self-governance for the last 45 years. This Indian/self-governance rule has outdone the good that was built for the last 450 years in just 45 years. To stop this, which will inevitably destroy Goa completely by making it another Bihar or Gujarat, the helm of Goa's governance must be held in firm hands of Goans, not by Goans dictated to by the national parties like the Congress, the BJP, the NCP or the Janata Party etc. I am talking about Goa's own regional party. The concept of Goa for Goans must be forgotten once and for all. Goa must be made secure under Goa's rule so that outsiders feel really secure to settle down in Goa and prosper, fully knowing that they will enjoy total harmony and peace through the emergence of the RULE OF LAW. In other words, Goa does not need the Portuguese, but needs the Portuguese type disciplined Rule like never before with real Goans in its command and not Goan chamchas of the national parties. It cannot be Goa for Goans. It must be GOANS FIRST. Floriano Lobo goasuraj - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 3:55 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] GOA FOR GOANS! --- Anthony and Nolette de Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, All! This is Martinho de Souza from Oz calling! Greetings from Down Under! While civilized foreign tourists and stayers are welcome in Goa, Goa should be there for Goans - whether resident there or overseas. Mario observes: Martinho, You are truly from Oz. You have an interesting concept Goa and Goans for someone who has apparently abandoned Goa for personal gain. Apparently you want Goa reserved for you. The world does not work that way, the last time I checked. Also, is anything you have written credible, given your failure to understand the history or geography of Goa vis a vis India?
[Goanet] Re: OPEN LETTER TO SMT. SONIA GANDHI.
Dear Averthan, All that we can make out of this so called 'Open Letter' and the previously named 'Memorandum' to Ms. Sonia Gandhi, the illustrious President of the Congress Party of India is that you have sought to SUCK-UP for favours from this Mandarin who gives a damn to what happens to Goa as long as the Congress Party rules at the Centre. It is pure and simple Dynastic equation with 'I', my 'Husband' , my 'Mother-in-Law', and my 'Husband's Grandfather'. Nothing more, Nothing Less. We, the more sensitive among Goans expected more wisdom from a personality such as you.. We take exception to your sweeping statement w.r.t. regional parties of Goa, for you cannot weigh at least one such regional party with others which is yet to make a mark, an opening. You must realise that National Parties such as the Congress Party which you seem to be getting wet dreams about has been the perenial looter of Goa and Goans with the branded self-serving regional thugs at the helm of its affairs in Goa. I dare you to prove me wrong on this. With kind regards Floriano Lobo goasuraj - Original Message - From: Averthan D'Souza OPEN LETTER TO SMT. SONIA GANDHI. Dear Ms. Sonia Gandhi, Re: Need for radical improvement of the Congress in Goa.
[Goanet] Press Statement
To, The Administrator, Goanet. Sir, Subject: Press Note for Kind Favour of Publication. We shall be highly obliged if you will publish in your esteemed distribution list the following, for the benefit of your readers. Thanking you, Yours faithfully, Sd/- (Floriano C. Lobo) G.S. / Spokesperson *** Press Note: The Goa Su-Raj Party, the Goas youngest Regional Party, wishes to announce that it is ready to step out in the public for the first time after its formation and registration with the Election Commission of India, almost six years ago, in the year 2000. Though it was not of age, it has stepped out into the electoral fray of 2002 Assembly Elections, and of late, in the by- elections to the Taleigao Constituency in May, 2005 to assure the people of Goa that this Party means business. To prepare itself for the first major fight for the electoral share in Goas politics for the coming 2007 Assembly Elections, the Party has decided to come out publicly to bring before the people of Goa its vision, programmes, likes, dislikes, preferences, suggestions and to most extent fool proof solutions to chronic problems faced by citizens, and, to extend a hand of no-nonsense friendship to those people of Goa who would like to say no to a lot of things that are happening to them and to Goa. This task has been made lighter for the Party in view of the release of its detailed Road Map to Goas Governance, in August, 2005. In order to expose its face to the public of Goa, the Party has planned a series of Public Meetings cum Presentations, the first of which will be held at Margaos Lohia Maidan on Saturday, February 18, 2006, at 4 p.m, followed by the same at Mapusa and Panjim, the dates for which shall be announced in due course of time. The Party has also decided to make its presence felt in all the 40 constituencies, gradually, so that the people know that there is an alternative with which they can participate without fear or favour. It is therefore hoped that the people will make time to attend the Partys presentations with open mind and in large numbers. The Party assures the people that it will be time well spent. End
[Goanet] Press Statement Re: Sattari/Saleli Tragedy
*** FYI*** December 29, 2005 To, The Editor, Gomantak Times Gomantak Bhavan, St. Inez- Panjim. Sir, Subject: Press Statement Re: Saleli-Sattari Tragedy for kind favour of Publication. The Goa Su-Raj party is hardly shocked at the happenings in Saleli-Sattari, where young Prithviraj Krishnarao Rane has been brutally murdered by the villagers. This was seen by the Party as coming, when the Governmental irresponsibility has made the common people most insensitive and intolerant. Among the vociferous complains of the villagers in context with these happenings are those that the Government Authorities have been giving their complains a go by for far too long, about the dust pollution caused, about their fields being silted out, to take up sides with the landlords and mine owners who have been perennially insensitive to their plight. The Goa Su-Raj Party hopes that the Goa Police learns a lesson from this incident when it has seen thirty odd of its personnel, some of them senior most in rank, being laid out in hospital beds for their inconsiderate brutality unleashed on the villagers, especially the women folk. The Goa Su-Raj Party does, in no way condone either the murder of young Prithviraj nor the violence on the police force, but sees this as a sign of erosion of people's faith in the Government Administration and hopes that the real culprits who took law into their own hands are identified and punished. The Goa Su-Raj Party warns the Goa Government not to play with the sentiments of the people of Goa who have elected it, more so, with its callous, inconsiderate and insensitive attitude such as is displayed by the passing of the Town Country Planning Ordinance and the bull-dozing of the Regional Plan-2011, lest some such thing on the lines of the Saleli incident takes place in Calapur/Santa Cruz, where the Government is allowing Goa's ecological balance to be disrupted without giving heed to the warnings given by concerned citizens. The Goa Su-Raj Party while extending its condolences to the bereaved family of Prithviraj Rane wishes the injured police personnel a speedy recovery. Thanking you, Yours Faithfully, for Goa Su-Raj Party Sd/- Floriano C. Lobo General Secretary Spokesperson. Note: This Statement appears in GT of 1/1/06 -The Weekender in its stinted form. Goanet Admin note: The delay in despatching this message (that arrived via a circuitous route) is regretted
Re: [Goanet] Re: Goans headed for minority status in Goa
Dear Lawrence, Your warped mental composure reflect exactly what is happening in Goa as it has been happening since 1961. To simplify what I am saying, Goa Su-Raj Party acknowledges that Candidates want to win by hook or by crook to further their personal agenda by spending loads of money they have looted from the people as their representatives or as newcomers by unfair means. It looks like only 207 people volunteered to open up their purses to see me win. They are not asking back what they generously gave. Even if they did, they would get a flat 'NO'. But if you act as their commission recovery agent, it might help some. I did offer my services to the people of Goa through the people of Taleigao. And it was in their hands to get me elected if they wanted to help themselves. But unfortunately they wanted to help Babus Monserrate. It is their choice. And that was well known to me even before I filed my nomination papers. Hence that is the reason I say winning was farthest away from my mind I suggest you look up the dictionary to know what is breach of trust . And I do not need to learn from one Lawrence Rodrigues what politics is all about. Even if I taught you what a people's candidate really is, you wouldn't learn. You must try to understand, however hard it may be, that I was the candidate of 207 people from Taleigao and they have taken their own defeat like heroes. For me winning or losing does not matter but going into the fight does. regards Floriano - Original Message - From: Lawrence Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goanet goanet@goanet.org Sent: Friday, January 27, 2006 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Re: Goans headed for minority status in Goa ...Getting elected was farthest away from my mind or from my Party's agenda. : ...Needless to say that I have not spent a single rupee of my own. Every rupee of the 1,33,000/- that I spent was people's money... Floriano Seems Goa Su-Raj party should attempt to return the people's money it used in contesting elections it had *no intention* of winning. Do believe that using public money to further one's *personal agenda* may also be termed as *breach of trust*, *fraud*, etc., under the Indian Penal Code. Lawrence -- Need a *Gmail* e-mail ID? Do write to me. Will send you an invitation to open a *Gmail* e-mail account. :-)
Re: [Goanet] Re: Goans headed for minority status in Goa
Hi Carlos,
Thanks for the title of honesty you have put on my head. But let me say here
that even an utmost dishonest person feels he is the most honest Joe around.
Honesty is a measure with the tape ('maap' in Konkani) in the hands of the
society.
Let me cite a story of a village robber, told to me by my late grandmother,
when I was a kiddo.
The village robber made a sign of the Cross and prayed before he climbed
the neighbour's coconut tree to steal coconut.
Who says that the robber does not need the Devine help in order not to get
caught??? Don't our ministers double over to do Poojas and/or stand first
in the line to receive Holy Communion and/or break their heads doing the
NAMAJs and then going on a spree of pocketting everything in site?
And about my being bitter cause I lost the Taleigao by-election:
Getting elected was farthest away from my mind or from my Party's agenda.
The agenda was that we had to field at least one candidate in those
by-elections when we had been announcing that we will field candidates in
all five constituencies. None coming forward was the reason that I took the
mantle on my head. Moreover, I have told most of the people (during my door
to door limited campaign) who were afraid that BJP might win with me in
the fray and who questioned my wisdom in contesting, saying vote for
Congress by all means. I am here only to announce to Goans at large that a
Party called Goa Su-Raj exists. (I interviewed two prospective candidates
for Benaulim. Both wanted to spend lacs of rupees. My question to them was
Is this your hard earned money? Yes Ofcourse they said. Then have you
thought of putting those lacs in fix-deposit in your child/childrens' name
instead of wasting them on louts and drunks? They had no answer and they
did not get our tickets.
Needless to say that I have not spent a single rupee of my own. Every rupee
of the 1,33,000/- that I spent was people's money for people's candidate
(207 of them to be exact). It is another thing that Taligao-kars voted for
Babus and not for themselves.
rgds
Floriano
- Original Message -
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: goanet@goanet.org
Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Re: Goans headed for minority status in Goa
George Floriano,
Floriano is right to be upset. Here is an honest person who could not
get elected. We know that a corrupt society supports/elects corrupt
leaders. To change things in Goa assembly, we need to have a minimum of
21 honest leaders with a vision. Is this possible when we have a
corrupt society? One or Two honest leaders or even an honest CM will
not be able to survive too long in power. And what role should the
church play in a corrupt society?
But lets keep hope alive Otherwise there is no point living.
When I was in Goa last month, I heard from reliable sources that the
muslim population is rising drastically in Goa, followed by a moderate
increase in Hindu population and a comparitevely small increase in
christian population. The increase in muslim and hindu population is
mostly due to the new comers. I will not be suprised to see very soon
the Muslim population in Goa larger than the Christian population. When
(not if) that happens, will Goa still be a peacefull place to live or
will it be like any other heavily populated muslim cities in India? The
good thing in this may be the people in Goa will wake up early after
hearing a wake up call from the Iman. Will the foreign tourist still
consider Goa a safe destination?
Regards,
Carlos
From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Goa's premiere mailing list,estb.
1994! goanet@goanet.org
To: Goanet goanet@goanet.org
Subject: [Goanet] Re: Goans headed for minority status in Goa
Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 10:40:22 -0800 (PST)
--- floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
No! I am not skeptical. Goans deserve the boot.
Floriano
People deserve the leaders they elect. Goans seem to have dug their
own graves.
Regards,
George
Re: [Goanet] Goans headed for minority status in Goa
George, So that your forecast is expedited, Goans should be urged to vote enmasse for the Congress Party of Goa so that Goans can feel the pride to be foreigners in their own land. One hundred and one per cent the Congreswallas will deliver. In case not, then go for the BJP as a second choice. Would it matter much if whether Goa becomes the RSS's capital of the nation or not? Sooner the better. No! I am not skeptical. Goans deserve the boot. Floriano. - Original Message - From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goanet goanet@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 7:03 PM Subject: [Goanet] Goans headed for minority status in Goa While I could not find current statistics on the ratio of Goans to non-Goans in Goa, it appears looking around that one out three people in Goa are non-Goans. If this demographic trend continues, Goa might be the first state in a few years where Goans are a minority in their own land. Bengalis are still a majority in Bengal, Tamilians in Tamilnad, Keralites in Kerala - by a large proportion. Don't be surprised in a few years when Goans IN Goa are addressed as follows: So, you are a Goan, how unusual. I leave it to the sociologists to analyze this unique phenomenon. However, will Goans suffer the same fate as minorities - will their rights be at stake? Regards, George
Re: [Goanet] CHIEF SECRETARY DHINGRA PAYS THE PRICE
Dear Ai res, Sensitive Goans have seen it coming as far as Ms. Dingra's ouster is concerned. No big deal that. What you say is perfectly right too. Likewise everyone is saying the same or even better. It amounts to pure entertainment sort of while the rot is ever increasing. But with all that you and others are saying, do you and others have a action plan to change things the way they are? Or are you people going to carry on barking like harmless wayside dogs?? Have you seen today's papers? Joseph Robert Sequeira's birthday is news. Next election we will certainly see the Calangute Dawood Ibrahim in action with endless line of people falling to his feet. Think about it. rgds. Floriano - Original Message - From: airesrod [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: [Goanet] CHIEF SECRETARY DHINGRA PAYS THE PRICE -- - | New on Goanet's website's Aamp;E section - http://www.goanet.org | | Book in Review: A Kind of Absence - Joao da Veiga Coutinho | | POEM: SUSEGAAD - Cynthia Gomes James | | http://www.goanet.org/modules.php?op=modloadamp;name=Newsamp;file=article; amp;sid=216 | -- - It is not surprising that Goa's unscrupulous and impotent government headed by Chief Minister Pratapsingh Rane has been successful in unceremoniously and overnight shunting out Goa's dynamic and upright Chief Secretary, Mrs. Kiran Dhingra. In Kiran Dhingra's exit the curse of the Goan politicians will not end. Her successor J.P.. Singh is an equally competent and upright officer who was very tough on political interference when he was Collector of Goa two decades ago. 20 years down the road JP Singh known to have a spine of steel could have only grown wiser and will confidently pick up where Kiran Dhingra has left. JP Singh, welcome to Goa. It is no longer only a tourist destination but also a gold mine for the politicians and a landmine for honest and sincere officers. The degeneration and degradation of Goa's political landscape seems to have commenced when our Portuguese-educated Churchill Alemao became the Chief Minister of Goa on 27th March 1990. Over the years we have lost count of the number of Chief Secretaries and Director General of Police who have been sent packing for not succumbing to the illegal and whimsical orders and fancies of the Ministers in power. Whether in Congress or BJP regimes, honest and dedicated officers have had to bear the brunt and humiliation of political arrogance. It is high time our politicians realise that officers have to work diligently and in their acts are answerable, besides the legislature, to the judiciary, the public at large and above all their own conscience. Something our politicians have lost a long time ago. It is high time our Ministers realize that the rule of law has to prevail and not the law of the jungle. Otherwise it would make no difference having Abu Salem, Abdul Karim Telgi or even Dawood Ibrahim at the helm of affairs. Aires Rodrigues ___ Yahoo! Messenger - NEW crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Re: Calling Goans living abroad...(Hulya Gurkan)
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- Let it be known to all Goan Expats who are reading this that Mr. Manuel Caldeira will succeed in what he has planned to do in Moira, all the way. This is because I have understood his problems and have extended my hand to him. He will be shifting his machinery to my Unit (MOIRA) which is re-christened to LANDMARK CONSTRUCTIONS ALLIED SERVICES from MOIRA CROWN INDUSTRIES. The distance from Mr. Caldeira's residence and this site is just 3 minutes walking. I am glad to inform here that Mr/Mrs. Caldeira have today visited and inspected the working area which will be allotted to him as long as he wants. Floriano Lobo goasuraj PS. Mr. Caldeira informs me that the next first thing he will make is the ceramic model of the insignia of the goaruraj which is the light-house. -- |Goa - 2005 Santosh Trophy Champions | || | Support Soccer Activities at the grassroots in our villages | | Vacationing in Goa this year-end - Carry and distribute Soccer Balls | --
[Goanet] Re: For our children, and their children - Aldona Children's Park
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- Dear Cecil, I am very much touched with the 'Aldona Children Park Project When we wrote the 'ROAD MAP FOR GOA', I mean the Goa Su-Raj Party's Road Map (not President APJ Kalam's, not Luizinho Faleiro's, not Uday Bhembre's, not RSS's ), we wrote this particular section (Party Finances.. Page 12 under Explanation) just for the likes of Aldona Children's Park and others. This has a flavour of 'CLEAN GOA' motivation. Best regards Floriano
Re: [Goanet] totally confused about garbage..................
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- I am no scientist or an internet-web scientist. But I fully endorse Savika Gomes. The diffusion of toxins from plastics into atmosphere and the surrounding, including liquid stored in pet bottles, possibly, are inclusive of dangerous DIOXINS. It has been researched that just the accumulation of a few nanograms ( 9 ?) of dioxins taken into our body (which is a cumulative process and once ingested only adds up bit by bit throughout one's life) can effect hormonal changes in our body and result in ulcers and tumors which eventually turn malignant. In Japan, in the proximity of a plastic compacting plant, women have grown facial hair, men have become impotent and cancers galore. Because, under heavy pressure, plastics get heated up and dioxins are released. These are colourless, odouless molecules assimilated into our bodies through breathing, and through our food chain. BURNING OF PLASTICS IS THEREFORE ABSOLUTELY DANGEROUS. REMEMBER 9 NANOGRAMS This is why we need CONCERNED and educated people in the GORMENT, not only educated, to protect the multitude of those who do not know and who will not learn, throughout their life time, to say NO TO PLASTICS Thank you Savika. Cheers Floriano www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: Savika Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 5:25 AM Subject: [Goanet] totally confused about garbage.. -- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- U wrote : I compost all my wet wastes, and burn all my plastics, including toned milk boxes, etc. Perhaps this is not an environmentally safe way of disposing of my garbage, but at least it is taken care of. Meu Deus Vivian! No wonder the ozone layer is depleting.
Re: [Goanet] Fists of Freedom
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- Thank you George, I shall speak for myself. And, I shall not lag behind to say that I am proud of you. Floriano www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goanet goanet@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 2:32 AM Subject: [Goanet] Fists of Freedom -- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- This week is Homecoming Week at San Jose State University. I am an alum and also teach there part-time now. Tommie Smith and John Carlos, in 1968 at the Mexico Olympics, put our University on the map with their famous fists of freedom salute. See http://www.infoplease.com/spot/mm-mexicocity.html
[Goanet] Re: DELIVER US FROM THIS EVIL GARBAGE
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- Yes, The Governor is the only saviour of Goa at this crisis ridden moment.. If only he will look in at his Midas' treasure room and satisfies himself that it is all full up with no more space left to store the bulging bags. Cheers Floriano - Original Message - From: airesrod [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have got our priorities wrong. Our ever so greedy politicians are preoccupied with IFFI, Mopa and the Monorail but no action is planned regarding Goa's very burning garbage issue which should have received government's attention over two decades ago. -- | 1st Young Goans International Essay contest 2005 | || | Theme: WHAT CAN I DO FOR GOA | | More details at| | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/034190.html| --
[Goanet] Re: CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE - L'Affaire Jardins Mermaid
-- | Add your name to the CLEAN GOA INITIATIVE | || | by visiting this link and following the instructions therein | || | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/033926.html | -- I was there. And I saw and I heard. Three cheers to Dr. Oscar Rebello. We need more dynamic people like him with the new revolutionary blood flowing in the veins and who call it 'bullsh*t', when they see 'bullsh*t'. And we need less of I, Me , Myself - conceited and arrogant public servant CEOs like Sanjit Rodrigues who never learn their lessons. And along with such fools, we need less of people who make a mess of everything, starting with the initiative to collect plastics, wasting people's time and energy and then allowing the plastics to decorate the pristine hills of Assagao, and, making people puke while at work in the Government Complex from the stench generated from the EM technological break-through on show in the Mapusa fish market. Margaret Mascarenhas Ethel Da Costa and Wendell Rodricks need to keep their ears to the ground, lest the signals get mixed-up and the net result turns out to be a big Zero. We need more of DOERS and less of the cribbing variety of which Goa has no dearth of, and, who walk laughing all the way to their respective banks, mostly as sole signatories to the fat bank accounts. And one thing that I wud like to point out again, to the conceited CEO of Panjim Municipal Corporation is that WHEN LEFT TO THEIR OWN CONVENIENCE, THE TAX PAYERS, WHETHER THEY ARE EDUCATED OR NOT, WILL WANT TO SH*T IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ROAD IF NO ONE IS WATCHING AND IF THE WHIP ON THE BACKSIDE IS NEVER TO FIND ITS TARGET Let this conceited CEO open his eyes and look at Singapore. Why go that far? Let him look at Surat, Chandigarh. Let him know that if people are expected to keep the city clean, then there is no need to suffer a costly, arrogant, pochpochit CEO, nor do the people need a government that does not work. Who are these jokers trying to teach??? I do hope I am wrong, but I see nothing coming out of L'Affaire Jardins Mermaid if the initiative is packed with sorry faced 'cry babies'. GOA NEEDS A SYSTEM TO BE PUT IN PLACE. A SYSTEM THAT WORKS WITHOUT TOO MUCH MONEY. And that is the job of the paid CEOs, the Paid People's Representatives, the Paid Municipal Councilors, the Paid Panchayat Ward Members, and the Paid Government at large. PERIOD. And if that does not work, then I wud like to join hands with Dr. Oscar Rebello to dump them all into the Mandovi River at the highest of the tides. Floriano -- | 1st Young Goans International Essay contest 2005 | || | Theme: WHAT CAN I DO FOR GOA | | More details at| | http://shire.symonds.net/pipermail/goanet/2005-October/034190.html| --
Re: [Goanet] More Sting Operations needed and vigilance
Many thanks Cecil. I like your suggestions. I am all game for a concrete initiative which translates into action and no talk. Cheers Floriano - Original Message - From: Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2005 3:17 PM Subject: [Goanet] More Sting Operations needed and vigilance Dear Floriano, The narration of how you collaborated with the cops to get a conman, posing as a loan agent, arrested was heartwarming. Power to you and your party on this initiative. So many Goans have been conned over the
[Goanet] In lighter vein
- Original Message - From: Ralph Correa Hi, All Goans, Please acept my deepest sympathies. Just heard over the B.B.C that all goans are banned from the U.S.A. Very sad, but who can do anything about it. The goans asked for it with their very own passion for music. It so happened that the goans were having a party and as usual they always have to end up with the masala, and so you can very well guess what they sang, well if you dont know , it was.. YE YE KATRINA, OH OH KATRINA, YE YE KATRINA, And their prayers were answered, Katrina hit and took off New Orleans. Obviously the Americans were angered and sent all the goans back. But some of them who had long acquired citizenship stayed back. But they made very sure not to sing in konkani, and stuck with the english songs, so when they were partying a week or so after Katrina hit, after a few good drinks they sang one of the famous english songs SENORITA SENORITA ITS SPRING TIME But as you see with the goan accent. The good lord heard SEND O RITA SEND O RITA and u know the poor goans prayers were answered and God sent them their RITA, OOPS Bad luck, so now you will see all of them sitting at Dona Paula, just fishing, drinking feni but Sorry! No more singing Ralph
[Goanet] Re: Goan Attitudes
First of all, there is no one by the name of Mr. Su -raj. I don't think it makes you cynical. In fact it makes you very cheap. Secondly, you must grow up to understand that the wise ones like Nero fiddled while Rome was burning. Goons must destroy each other to make space for sensible to prevail. And thirdly, you loud mouths overseas must realise that you cannot go on giving yourselves the credit of being the know-all and more patriotic as far as Goa is concerned. There are others on ground zero who work like white ants, unseen and unheard, to prevnt Goa from going to dogs so that you may come back to Goa and flash your dollars, pounds, dinars and what have you and be respected as Goans. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mr. Goa Su-raj, You have become emotional faced with defeat, and are now making wild statements. I hope you realise how much your bharat chums have looted from Goa for the past 4 decades. Please ask the RBI?
[Goanet] Re: Reactions to Wendell's stattement on IFFI
October 10, 2005 To, The Editor, Gomantak Times, St. Inez-Panjim. Sir, Subject: RE: Reactions to Wendell's Statement on IFFI I have been following the Yes's and No's for the Manohar Parrikar style IFFI - 2005 splash for the City of Panjim, and I have decided to break my silence over this issue after your report, published on 10/10/05 captioned WENDEL CANNOT DECIDE FOR PANJIMITES, says Furtado There are three angles to this report. One being a political angle from NCP' s Surendra Furtado; two- the angle portrayed by an amateur film-maker Shamir Deniz and three, the level headed angle coming from Patricia Pinto. Before I go any further, my vote goes to Patricia Pinto to the extent of 99 per cent. The remaining 1 per cent goes to Shamir Deniz. Let me start by saying that in the Indian context, the word 'Festival' is a total misnomer in the context of the film festival. In the future, this event should be called Film Bazaar instead of Film Festival, in India. Politicians like Manohar Parrikar and half-baked politicians like Surendra Furtado cannot be blamed entirely for wanting to promote a 'funkat mela' like Patricia loves to call it. No matter how much one tried to explain things to politicians and half-bake politicians, all they will understand is that the vessel is empty, and it needs to be filled and filled pronto. with votes. And happenstances like film festivals are looked upon as providence. As the saying goes, empty vessels make maximum sound, this is true in the case of Surendra Furtado. Coming to Shamir Deniz, it is fair to understand his concern, being a part of the industry. If he did not opt for off the street melas and gardens and secluded spots, he could have been branded as hair-brained. But his assessment of Wendell is certainly wanting. Cannot blame him though, for he has yet to get into real exposure mode, in the sense that he needs to get out of the kitchen, some. I need not go into the merits of what Patricia has said. Only thing I can say is that she has a level head on her shoulders. In the making of the last Film Festival, Manohar Parrikar flopped, and flopped badly. The very first thing he absorbed about the film festival is the word 'festival' and went on to make the best of it, even to the extent of trying to better the Carnaval celebrations. The reasons for this is very obvious and is based in his being a Kattar RSS jombie. Anything that reminds of the 'Portuguese' must go, is the mentality. So he went ahead and messed up Panjim city and got himself booted out, in the bargain. It was as expected. But what he promoted as a film festival was far from any real film Festival In a film festival, you are supposed to sign filmy deals, buy and sell films internationally, promote new talents, sign for dubbing rights etc etc, the list is long. This is the real essence of a film festival. In fact, it is a film bazaar. I happened to be in Venice (Italy) a long time ago (1973 or so) during the film festival. Proper 'Venice' and a little far removed 'Lido' were the venues. And I had the opportunity of meeting and lunching with Shashi Kapoor , Simi Greval of 'Sidartha' and a host of Indian producers and directors (of Calcutta 71 etc) on board my ship as guests. I have been in Cannes during a film festival. And it is just a routine. People who deal with films get together, like or dislike films, buy or sell films and make a little merry on the sidelines in the call of duty and finito, the end. Where is the mela, the chaos? IFFI 2004 has not sold a single Indian film, if I am not mistaken. They transacted everything else, even to the extent of wiping out Goa's treasury but didn't sell a single film. Is this what Furtado understands about a film festival?? This is exactly what Wendell and Patricia are talking about. Let it be a film bazaar that film festival is all about. And Shamir and Furtado and the hair-brained many others who prefer to talk about the film festival knowingly can have their festivals they know about and like so much, at some other time until they are flushed with it, whether paid or funkat. And, why blame Manohar Parrikar, Surendra Furtado and Shamir Deniz only? I wonder if Pratapsing Rane and his chosen deputy Sanjit Rodrigues know any better what a film festival is all about, either. And, people who do not know how to take care of their own garbage and/or who think that rivers (Mapusa river) are the receptacles of garbage, have no right to handle any festivals, far less Film Festivals. Floriano Lobo Ph: 9422060347 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Goanet] Please sign the appeal: IFFI garbage problem
I salute Helga. Not because she has included my name among the real activists. Because she has touched a sensitive spot in us Goans. To elaborate, I shall recount my personal experience with garbage (plastics) vis a vis my alma mater, The St. Xavier's High School- Moira. It so happened that the school students ate 'BUDDI KA BAL' and spilled the plastic wrap all over the road. It was like confetti. When I passed the school in the evening, coming home, I was enraged. I remembered the constant reminder we used to get from our teachers not to throw anything on the road, even our exam question papers. I called the school from home on phone and got the peon who answered as a teacher. Principal is not available, he said. Therefore, I told him the story and requested him to get some boys to clean up the mess, that it is giving the school a bad name. Late evening, the mess was still there. Next morning, as I was on my way to office, since the mess was there, I picked up each and every piece of plastic. Surprisingly, the plastic carry bag that I had carried was full to the brim. I went to the school and showed the bag to the teachers in the staff room with a little bit of an advice, since the principal was absent. Next day the principal sent for me to thank me and I had an opportunity to reminisce old traditions and education. In the meantime, the school manager, the Moira parish priest Fr. Mariano Proenca who was present for the meeting has taken on himself to keep the school premises clean of litter. He has also become my good friend since he saw me (at the last Christmas day Mass at the Church) clearing the mid-night-mass mess of littered coffee disposable cups from the church compound while the mass was going and the church was full to the brim by christmas day devotees, both inside and outside. Thank you Helga Floriano Lobo goasuraj - Original Message - From: Helga do Rosario Gomes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 10:39 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Please sign the appeal: IFFI garbage problem Mario, I ask where are ALL Goans who live in Goa and who are affected by this problem? Environmentalism should be in all of us and it should be in inculcated in homes, schools, churches and in temples. Its not for only Margaret, Wendell, Floriano and a few others to bear the brunt and the pain. While Panjim is now the focus of attention thanks to a few, Margao is deteriorating. I hear evangelism is on the rise in this town but a parallel growth in environmental activism is yet to happen. This renewed awakening in Christianity could perhaps be used to also foster love for nature and our responsibility towards future generations. Helga - Original Message - From: Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Please sign the appeal: IFFI garbage problem Where are the environmental activists on GX and Goanet when Goa really needs them? --- floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Further to my report on the bull-dozzing/levelling of the mud piles on the NH-17 of 6/Oct, (not published on GOANET) where I cautioned the Chief Officer of the Mapusa Municipality of dire
Re: [Goanet] Goan Attitudes
Funds from overseas! Certainly. Millions are pouring in. And why not? Aren't Overseas Goans intrested in Goa's safe-keeping? Do not do us the favour. We are doing you a bloody favour. Remember that Mister! I am not exagerating, but Goa Su-Raj is the only constitutionally and principles-wise soundest political party ever put together, not only in Goa but in the entire nation. This is for your kind information. And it is driven by self-lessness and self-sacrifice. I will bet all I have got for yours if you can prove me wrong here. Overseas Goans as well as Goans in Goa will be only doing themselves a favour by supporting Goa Su-Raj Party. Or else you simply go to hell for all we care. What we are doing , we are doing for Goa. We are not, and shall never be answerable to you overseas Goans or Goans in Goa. This is a little hard to digest, but facts must remain facts. Note: Santa Cruz Constituency might be the guillotin for the Crongress and the BJP with the onset of the new Ordinance by Town Country Planning Department of Babush Monserrate, the resurection of PDAs. I was present yesterday for the meeting of the St. Cruz Active Citizen's Committee oposing the inclusion of their constituency in the PDA. Even though I was invited to speak, I did not. I wanted it to be all St. Cruz affair with Mummy Victoria at the helm. If she is serious, and revolts against the congress for this stupidest thing congress has done, this is the making of the REVOLUTION to liberate Goa from the lootmars once again. The Portuguese have looted Goa for 450 years with hardly anything showing for Goa when they left or thrown out, to be axact. But Goa will always remember, not the Portuguese, but their Rule - where there was LAW, RESPECT and PERFECT ORDER which has been missing miserably since 1961. This country of ours is a country of scamsters and chors with very few exceptions, who unfortunately, do not count. AND on this, I, as the Founding President of this Registered political Party, may be quoted, any time, anywhere, FOR , I CARE LESS. Floriano Lobo goasuraj - Original Message - From: Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan Attitudes Thanks to the publicity given to Goa Su-raj by loud mouth Goans that this 'party' got funds from overseas! B. Colaço Will the Goan patriots, wherever they may be, whether they be in New Jersey, in Macao, in Kuwait, in Timbuktu, let Goans fight their own battles without getting distracted by the empty missiles fired in the air from distant lands which hit no one and land no where? They must remember that Goans in Goa have their own battles to fight which requires dedication and perseverance of the first order lest Goa is lost unto themselves and unto the Goan Loud mouths who cannot stop talking vain. Floriano goasuraj ___ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com
Re: [Goanet] Every govt office in India to have a ublic InformationOfficer soon
It looks like the Goa Su-Raj Party's ROAD MAP FOR GOA has reached New Delhi. Chapter III- General Administration: says:- IT IS AN ACKNOWLEDGED FACT THAT PUBLIC RELATIONS IS ALMOST NON-EXISTANT IN GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS. THIS SHALL BE ENCHANCED IN EVERY GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENT ON PRIORITY BASIS BY DESIGNATING 'PUBLIC RELATIONS OFFICERS' WHO SHALL LIAISE BETWEEN THE MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC AND THE DEPARTMENTAL HEADS. Floriano Lobo goasuraj - Original Message - From: Cip Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goanet goanet@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, October 09, 2005 6:38 PM Subject: [Goanet] Every govt office in India to have a ublic InformationOfficer soon Every govt office in India to have a PIO soon 3 October, 2005 From October 12 onwards, any citizen in India can walk into any government, quasi-government and public sector office and submit an application to the designated Assistant Public Information Officer (APIO) seeking information and copies of documents relating to practically any issue. This would be possible as the Right to Information Act, 2005 becomes fully operational from October 12. Under the Act, the PIOs are bound to dispose of all requests received for information within 30 days. If the applicant fails to get information within this period or if he or she is not satisfied with the information provided, he or she can make an appeal within 30 days to the appellate officer above the PIO. Source: Asia Media
Re: [Goanet] Apathy action plan / Melinda Coutinho Powell
By God, that is true, Melinda. You say it is fultile yet you say this is the only thing to be done. More meetings, more workshops, more anger, more angry letters to editors. And what you get is more of corruption through ORDINANCES in broad daylight to loot and plunder. Maybe for you it is fultile and yet important to shout robbery at the top of your voice and get hoarse, sick and spend more money on phoney doctors and phoney medicines. And maybe the newspapers make more money writing about the daylight robbery 365 days of the year. You want to reform the chors. No. This style is not for me. I want to thow out the chors on their backsides come next election. But I know that will not happen because you, after all this holleing and shouting, will go and vote for the same chors and expect them to be reformed. And when that does not happen, you will go back to your nice little well conducted and timely workshops and start hollering more and get hoarser than before and maybe sick and go 6 feet underground. But the chors you will not have touched. All because you kept your eyes shut and refused to see what is there by way of alternative. Roland Martins with all his dedication will not have changed anything until he refuses to speak about good politics and goes on cursing the dirty politics. He will have failed, like a rotten potato does, to bring out fresh and crispy chips. Good for you. rgds floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: melinda Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet goanet@goanet.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 11:13 PM Subject: [Goanet] Apathy action plan / Melinda Coutinho Powell The Goa Civic and Consumer Action Network (GOACAN) is organizing a Workshop on Civic and Consumers Issues and the forthcoming Municipal Elections. The Workshop seeks to bring together various citizens initiatives to discuss experiences at the ground level of governance, transparency and accountability in Municipal Councils as well as to address civic and consumer issues for Neighbourhood/ Ward level manifestos. Hi all, Today I attended the workshop of the GOACAN(Goa consumer and civic issues -) at Margao and I really have to commend the tireless work of Roland Martins and his team of enthusiastic workers .He is one man who never gives up. The program began on time,a proper schedule was maintained and it ended on time , unlike susssegad goan functions and events.Participants were encouraged ,motivated ,challenged to do their bit for Goa.Participants expressed their rage at corruption and an ineffective Government and they also gave their suggestions on an action plan for the future. Many of the citizens forums expressed their helplessness about one particular issue - the apathy of the people. Given the present political scenario,the only thing one can do, is make a noise - individually or collectively.We cannot afford to be bystanders any more - garbage infested Goa is really going to the dogs,cats and all manner of vermin. I find that through civic forums like Goacan we can question authorities and make them accountable.Nothing else seems to work.Futile though the struggle might seem,it is the only solution that seems to be somewhat working. I urge people to be more involved in their local communities.We need to come out of our cocoons,we need to come out of hibernation ,we need to question what is happening around us.We need to make democracy work. Cheers, Melinda Coutinho Powell
Re: [Goanet] Please sign the appeal: IFFI garbage problem
Further to my report on the bull-dozzing/levelling of the mud piles on the NH-17 of 6/Oct, (not published on GOANET) where I cautioned the Chief Officer of the Mapusa Municipality of dire consequences if the garbage was pushed into the Mapusa River, with copies to Dy. Col, Mapusa; Collector, Panjim; Pollution Control Board; Sarpanch, Bastora and Sarpanch, Guirim, with the acknowledment copy filed at the Bombay High Court at Goa for information, (7/OCT), I was happy to see, while returning from the High Court (7/Oct) that the mud piles which were free of garbage were only pushed out keeping the garbage laden piles intact. I had naturally thought that some sense has prevailed in the authorities after all, and they had heeded to my warning that it would be trying to erase the evidence if they pushed the garbage into the river and the fields. However, on 8/Oct, while I was travelling to Panjim (a.m.) I saw no trace of any garbage anywhere on the Highway. I stopped my car and went to investigate. It was with tears in my eyes that I saw huge mounds of garbage floating into the river and the entire river bank full of garbage. On my return from Panjim, I picked up Jyoti Studio's (Mapusa) photographer and have him take photos of the garbage floating into the river. I shall be filing another letter to the Honourable Justices enclosing the lovely photographs, first thing tomorrow morning. Margaret Mascarenhas et al please take note. And if any of you can visit the site and shed a few tears of concern, it would be well worth it. Floriano - Original Message - From: Cecil Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2005 2:32 PM Subject: [Goanet] Please sign the appeal: IFFI garbage problem To, Shri Jaipal Reddy Minister for Information, Publicity Culture Shastri Bhavan, A Wing New Delhi - 110 001. Subject: IFFI and lack of waste management infrastructure in Goa. Dear Sir, We are writing to you to draw attention to the deteriorating waste management crisis in Goa and the fear that the population influx generated by IFFI will exacerbate the existing problem to dangerous levels. Background: A few months ago, a wall of the unsegregated garbage dump in the village of Curca, where the city of Panjim was dumping, collapsed due to heavy rains, spewing waste into the village. In response, villagers all over Goa rose up in protest and so far have successfully impeded the municipalities of Panjim, Ponda and Mapusa from disposing their voluminous waste on village land. Dumping began along highways (see attached photos) and under the Panjim Patto Bridge. Subsequently, two petitions, one from the residents in and around the Patto area, and one from local activist Floriano Lobo, regarding the disastrous effects of the state and municipal authorities' willful disregard of the indiscriminate dumping were filed in the Mumbai High Court. They have been converted into PILs and are pending hearing. Immediate Concerns:
Re: [Goanet] Goan then and now!
Dear Eddie, I understand very well the context that you have said what you have said. But when you are talking to Bernard Colaco, it is a different matter. Bernard Colaco and his ilk has always found fault with democracy. I too am of the same opinion that democracy is full of crap without people's participation. Why I am saying this is explained here. The other day I went to the Industries and Mines Department to get myself a Provisional Registration for a SSI Unit. I am in construction, so I applied for MS works, Aluminium Works, Woodwork and Cement block making for own consumption etc. The officer in charge struck off 'woodwork saying that Supreme Court has banned us from giving clearance for woodwork. That I must first get Forest NOC. So I told the officer that I do not need to take Forest NOC because I am not going to cut the FOREST. All I am going to do is go to a sawmill and buy whatever wood I need, pay cash and come home. It is the FOREST DEPT'S job to see that the sawmill does not cut trees from the FOREST illegally and sell to me. Not my job. He liked the reasoning and said Tell that to the GM. I said I will and went on to tell him that since the Department is discouraging people like me going legal, I shall make a complaint where it counts to stop all woodworking units throughout Goa which are illegal. They will shout on my name that I have rendered them jobless. A fine way for you to promote jobs in Goa, I told him. To that he said we need people like you to make things happen, to open our eyes And to that this is what I told him. The 'Gorment' we ellect has leaded lids on its eyes. They are permanently closed shut. Therefore, the gorment of the day is permanently fast asleep. But the ordinary citizen cannot afford to even take twenty winks lest he be dragged and eaten up alive. Therefore, not only the ordinary citizen has to be wide awake all the time, he has to shore-up the 'Gorment's eyelids so that it can see and let him live. And he must keep the eye-lids up and cannot afford to let go, for they will close again. In the bargain the citizen goes mad for lack of sleep and the 'gorment' gets fatter and prosperous. My mission, I told him, is to see that the 'gorment of the day not only does not sleep but has its eyelids permanently fixed so that they never close. Only then the citizen, who is expected to sleep well without a care everyday, 365 days of the year must sleep well and prosper. The 'gorment must go raving mad and linch everyone who does not fall in line, in this case, the FOREST DEPT. BTW, the erstwhile Portuguese 'gorment' did not have eyelids at all. And I am proud to say that because I have seen what was in its sight and which is abjectly missing now. And this is not to make Bernard and Agnelo happy. This is the truth and I have always maintained the same. I do hope I have answered your question. rgds floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Edward Verdes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goanet goanet@goanet.org Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 2:15 PM Subject: [Goanet] Goan then and now! Florian Bab, In this case u mean to say that the gorment has to do everything...we as people do not have any responsibilities.such that we cant do even small things which help us in our daily life, ...the uncultivated lands..keeping our surroundings clean..etc. Edward Verdes Wed Oct 5 18:48:27 PDT 2005 Well said. I wud like to second what you have stated. Edward Verdes is very wrong. If people must do every thing themselves, then we do not need the gorment. Period. Floriano goasuraj Eddie
Re: [Goanet] Goan then and now!
Well said. I wud like to second what you have stated. Edward Verdes is very wrong. If people must do every thing themselves, then we do not need the gorment. Period. Floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goan then and now! We are in a culture of flying kites at the moment aka democracy. Goan confidence has eroded with the poor standards implemented for the past 4 deades. I am told that in the past a person with 4a class could do a lot. B. Colaço shop..we blame the goerment..if the wells are dry we blame the goermentbut we will not do anything on our own! Edward Verdes
[Goanet] Re: Pride Prejudice - Comments
Dear Mr. B. Colaco, It does not make an iota of a difference if you call yourself a Goan, or anything else. There are many a distant DOGS who only bark while the HYENAS, both indegenous as well as others, are bent on stripping the bones of Mother Goa bare. And before you think of improvising a pat answer to the above, just sit alone in a dark room for a while and ponder on what I have said above. You will be doing yourself a good service as a GOAN, if that is to be believed. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mr. Goa Su-raj, I would like to be called a Goan only. Please do not confuse Goan people with tricky words and statements. B. Colaço
Re: [Goanet] Re: PUBLIC INTEREST LITIGATION WRIT PETITION NO.3 OF 2005
Dear Lawrence, Thanks for the important info. The PILWP No.3 of 2005 has been admitted on 26 Sep 2005 where I appeared in person before the bench comprising of Justice Lodha and Justice Britto. I was asked just two questions. Q. What is your grievance. A. Your Lordships, I am a citizen of this state who pays tax. I believe that the Mapusa Municipal Council is misusing my tax money. The Council has dumped 37 truckloads of the Mapusa market garbage on the NH-17. Q. Do you have a residence in Mapusa? A. Your Lordships, I have an office in the central area of Mapusa very close to the Mapusa market. Thereafter Justice Lodha started dictating the order. ** The Court has prepared the file with the nine photographs pasted on sheets of paper. I was asked to give the Court 2 zerox copies of my letter petition and the prepared photograph sheets, which I did from the Courtroom xeroxing facility. Additionally, I had to pay a Court Fee of Rs. 40/- Apparently, the show-cause notices have gone to (1) Chief Officer, Mapusa Municipal Council and (2) the Chief Secretary, Govt of Goa. The Court will prepare and send the notices. The next hearing is kept for 17th. October, A.M. where I shall appear in person. Margaret Mascarenhas informs me that the Goa Celebs have gotten Shabana Azmi (Actress / Activist/MP) to represent the Goa/Bombay Celebs to convince the IB Ministry, New Delhi that IFFI 2005 should not be held in Goa due to the Goa Government's lax attitude towards cleanliness and the widespread prevailing garbage problem. Wendel Rodricks of Goa is among the Celebs. rgds Floriano - Original Message - From: Lawrence Rodrigues [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 2:05 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Re: PUBLIC INTEREST LITIGATION WRIT PETITION NO.3 OF 2005 In 1998, environmental NGOs and citizens formed the Goa Environment Federation (GEF). At the first GEF meeting in June 1998, the problem of plastic waste disposal was highlighted as a major environmental problem facing Goa by no less than five NGOs as well as several citizens in written submissions made before the Goa Environment Commission constituted by the GEF. Various PILs forced the problem of plastic waste disposal to be considered as a separate category from general garbage. It was during these proceedings that the Goa state government informed the court that it had notified on January 2000, a committee to look into all aspects of solid waste management in the state, including the relevant laws, and to produce a comprehensive report within three months outlining a scheme of action and various measures to be taken by the different authorities to deal with the problem. Regular meetings of the committee during the next three months, resulted in the finalisation of a report titled 'Solid Waste Management in the State of Goa' (SWM Report) which was presented to the court in April 2000. In July, the state Government informed the court that it had accepted the report and would immediately commence steps for its implementation. As a first step, the state Government took a decision to enforce the ban on use of plastic bags below 20 microns from August 15, 2000. *** The government sought time till December 31 to complete the steps necessary for full implementation of other aspects of the SWM Report which included: l A ban on the use of recycled plastic bags for food items; l Setting up of composting units to take care of biodegradable garbage; l Arranging for the disposal of non-biodegradable garbage to recycling plants outside the state; l Ensuring that Garbage Management Committees are set up in all panchayats and municipalities.***Sunday Mid Day, September 11, 2005 Floriano, What was the outcome of the Court hearing on 26 Sep 05? Been eagerly scanning Goanet for your update. Believe the Government may be punished for *contempt of court* as the Government has broken it's assurance to the Court to complete the steps necessary for full implementation of other aspects of the SWM Report, by 31 December 2000 Lawrence
Re: [Goanet] Disappeared on oherald.com?
Re: Missing Radar equipment from erstwhile Dabolim airport etc... There is the case of the EMISORA DE GOA. After the Liberation/Annexation or whatever of Goa, I was hearing people talk of the missing Radio Transmitter of the Emisora de Goa, the transmitter, which I believe, was quite a powerful one and programmes from Goa broadcasted from this transmitter could be heard in Lourenco Marques etc. I have also heard people talk that the same transmitter was shifted to some place like Delhi/Bombay whatever. Hopefully some Goan will address this issue and come out with the facts as to why the same transmitter was not kept in Goa for Liberated Goans, and/or if at all this story is a fact or fiction. I would certainly like to confirm and/or delete my childhood impressions. I was 14 years old then (1961). Floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Bernado Colaco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2005 9:37 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Disappeared on oherald.com? Constantino thanks for find the article B. Colaco --- Constantino Xavier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Bernardo, is this the article which you say disappeared on Herald website?
[Goanet] Re: Churchill, get us an OPINION POLL to liberate Dabolim
My dear Alfred, Greetings from the otherwise clean Goa, through the predominant whiff of the garbage stench and gun-powder smoke from the double barrel shots being fired by shrewd politicians from someone else's shoulders. Churchill Alemao always rises to the occasion to save Goa, we do not know from what. I spoke at Churchill organized meet at Margao. A lot of people ask me as to how I was seated on the dais. My reply is: My being there is issue based, not Churchill based. Firstly, our stand is that MOPA we don't need at this present moment when Dabolim is very much there and can be expanded and which has served us as a civilian airport even during the Portuguese rule, simply because we cannot afford the luxury and also because charity first starts at home and not in Maharashtra.Secondly, Goa, being a tiny dot on the landscape of India, does not have to shoulder the responsibility of looking after the defence of the entire country. The country has spent crores of rupees to put 'Sea Bird Base' at Karwar. Let the Navy shift there lock stock and barrel. Besides, a lot of argument is going around that the Navy is looking after our security. No! The Navy is looking after its own interests. Its loves Goa and has decided to make it its permanent home. The Navy must safeguard our interests when we are alive, not when we are dead. Again, if MOPA comes up, the Navy will close down Dabolim for civilian traffic and seal the fate of Dabolim as a Military airport. Goa cannot afford that luxury again. Radarao Gracias was also on the dais with Churchill. As usual, Rada cannot stay away from him. When Churchill was in the UGDP, Rada used to sing his praises with comparing him to Bandodkar. He is not likely to wean himself away from the Churchill charisma. From what I understand from his delivery at the Margao meet, he expects Churchill to come out of the Congress. But Churchill cannot go back to the UGDP. There has to be another new party. Coming back to Churchill, it is a fact that Luizinho Faleiro proposed MOPA in the first place a few years ago. And what is more interesting, Churchill had seconded the proposal. Luizinho has not forgotten this but is trying to vent his anger on his party by clandestinely supporting what Churchill is doing now. But Churchill, as a habit, never remembers what he does or says. Neither does he writes down for future reference. Now Churchill does not want MOPA. Are the reasons now given the valid reasons? Then why did he second the proposal in the first place? When Churchill contested the Parliamentary seat in the South while in the UGDP, politics was far away from my mind. I had thought that UGDP with Churchill and Rada was the ultimate Goan regional party that must rule Goa. And, therefore, by virtue of being on leave during the election time, had actively worked for the election of UGDP candidate for North Goa, Adv Babuso Gaokar. And when the UGDP lost both the seats, a party convention was held at the Gomant Vidhya Niketan, Margao to do the soul searching/introspection , which I attended. Someone in the audience had asked Churchill (when he blamed his own partymen of working against him) Will you go the the BJP .. he had said NO, I will not When the same person asked him Will you go back to the Congress he had replied thus: MOLOB DOT'TOREK TENKOT PUN HO CHURCHILL CONGRESS-AN KEDNANCH VECHONAM (The sky may touch the earth but Churchill will never go back to Congress). Besides these words Churchill had uttered the words S - SHE . On hearing these words, I had felt very re-assured and knew in the heart of my hearts that UGDP will yet take over Goa with such committed leaders. But alas! I was dreaming. Within a shot span of time, Churchill was seen giving excuses (finances being one of them) for his decision to re-join the Congress. And now, he has the temerity to say that he can settle down anywhere in the world if he likes, that politics is not his cup of tea, that he is going against MOPA because he has promissed his people that Dabolim will remain, that he is doing all this in the interest of the people alone. Come on Churchill, give us a break. It is well apparent that Luizinho is firing the shots from your shoulders and having the last laugh. Floriano goasuraj. - Original Message - From: Alfred de Tavares All that good old Tom recomends/proposes below, and even more, can be achieved at Dabolim. But, only if the Indian Navy is bid adieu as unceremoniously as were the Portuguese. My dear Churchill please repeat the great achievement of Jack de Sequeira, in Delhi, in 1964 and prove your mettle.
[Goanet] Re: PUBLIC INTEREST LITIGATION WRIT PETITION NO.3 OF 2005
To, Terrence Mazarello, The President, SGPIAG. Sir, I thank you for the encouraging post. This is not my fight alone. This is GOA'S fight. Do join-in with me in this PIL. As such do prepare the grounds to clean Margao and the surrounding areas. The High Court has jurisdiction over all of Goa. Let us take this opportunity and solve our garbage problems once and for all so that our ministers and MLAs are confined to the garbage dumps. Who needs them if they cannot solve our problems?? With warm regards Floriano - Original Message - From: President(sgpiag) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18/09/2005 Dear Floriano Lobo We,at South Goa Public Interest Action Group (SGPIAG)... welcome your initiative and extend our earnest support to your mission via a PIL (Public Interest Litigation ) to rid GOA of this SOLID WASTE NUISANCE.
[Goanet] PUBLIC INTEREST LITIGATION WRIT PETITION NO.3 OF 2005
No. J/PILWP-3-5/2992/2005 Date: 14th. September, 2005 IN THE HIGH COURT OF BOMBAY AT GOA PANAJI GOA. PUBLIC INTEREST LITIGATION WRIT PETITION NO. 3 OF 2005 (NOTICE TO PETITIONER IN PERSON) Floriano C. Lobo (In Person) .Petitioner V/s State of Goa Thr. Chief Secretary and Anr. ... Respondents To, Floriano C. Lobo, 383-A, Pirazona, Moira Bardez - Goa. 403 507. Sir, This is to inform you that your letter dated 5th. September, 2005, has been registered as Public Interest Litigation Writ Petition No.3 of 2005. You are to take note that the above PILWP No.3 of 2005 is fixed for Admission on 26th. day of September, 2005 at 10.30 a.m. You are, therefore, required to attend this Court on 26-09-2005 at 10-30 a.m. to argue the matter. Yours faithfully, Sd/- (K.D. Patil) Registrar High Court of Bombay at Goa, Panaji. ** September 5, 2005 To: The Justices of the Honourable Bombay High Court at Goa, Altinho, Panjim. Your Lordships, Subject: How Goa honours its Garbage. I am writing to you as a humble citizen of Goa, who is frustrated at the way Goa's garbage is honoured by the very persons we have elected to see that our garbage is given the rightful status that it deserves and to see that it is properly disposed-of without recriminations and anxiety to the citizens of this State. Goa's newspapers have been howling at the top of their voices for far too long, even to the extent of displaying vivid photographs of the mess that our garbage has made and is presently making. But all that we citizens have got are sweet promises from the concerned Authorities and our Elected Representatives. I humbly submit, your Lordships, that a society which does not know how to take care of its own garbage has no social status at all. If I may go a step further, to me, 'un-sanitized' and 'filthy' market places, where citizens have to shop for their groceries and daily needs, reflects the status of the society at large. And I have a very good reason for saying what I have said. The attached photographs show some of the not less than 24 truck-loads of Mapusa-market garbage, which was lying un-cleared in the market place for over a week, has been conveniently dumped with utmost impunity on the by-pass stretch of the NH-17 [Mapusa to Green Park Hotel, Guirim]. What is more catastrophic is that this dumping is alongside the NH-17 bordering the Mapusa River. Perhaps this is done with the understanding that the River will ultimately take care of this untreated and raw garbage. Dumping the Mapusa garbage along this stretch clandestinely during night hours has been a regular phenomena where most of the previous dumping have been covered-up by the recently stacked mud-piles for the widening of the highway, as can be seen in the attached photographs. Sometime ago, on a day of festive occasion, I am on record of making the MMC crew re-load the garbage dumped at this very site in broad daylight, back into their truck and take it away. What is more saddening is that many of our elected MLAs, Ministers and even the Honourable Chief Minister of Goa who have been transiting this stretch on a daily basis to attend the recently concluded sessions of the Goa Legislative Assembly or otherwise, have all preferred not to have noticed this great honour that the Mapusa Municipal Council has bestowed on its garbage, to make it a show piece on our prided NH-17 by-pass, and have refrained from discussing this issue in the Assembly. To add insult to human pride and dignity, the Mapusa Municipal Council has allowed 'Goa Foundation', a Mapusa based NGO, to treat and compost the market's fish and meat wastes at the very entrance of the fish market. The resulting overpowering stench of the decomposition of this waste matter has been churning the bowels of a lot of people who are unfortunate to be in the immediate vicinity of this unit, including the many shops, residences and the Government Complex nearby. This is not an ordinary stink of the decaying garbage, but it is the unbearable stench akin to a highly decomposed human body or an animal carcass. Your Lordships, my financial status does not permit me to file a Public Interest Litigation (PIL) in the Honourable High Court, nor do I feel competent enough to challenge the all powerful Governmental Authorities and the Elected People's Representatives. But my conscience does not allow me to suffer this indignity unto my beautiful State, which is viewed as a 'Touristic Heaven', or to allow some fickle minded people in authority to devastate our natural resources such as the Mapusa River. Therefore, this motivation alone has prompted me to make this appeal to your Lordships. Perhaps, it is in your power to make the concerned authorities to spare this utmost shame unto Goa, Goans and the lovers of Goa.. With deepest respect, I remain, Yours faithfully, Sd/- (Floriano C. Lobo) 383-A, Pirazona, Moira-Bardez Goa- 403 507 Attached: Photographs x 9 Nos. of the dumping of garbage
Fw: [Goanet] Re: Memorandum to Ms. Alva regarding Dabolim airport
It is about time that the people of Goa rise up to the misdeeds of the Congress Governments of Goa w.r.t. taking sides with the Navy to prolong and expand its facilities at Dabolim Airport which is a civilian airport and the Indian Navy having been clinging to cement its hold to the detriment of the civilian requirements of blooming Goa. Besides, the Indian Navy is claiming Dabolim Airport as gains of war. In that case, Goa was not liberated but forcefully annexed through war. Also, the Congress governemnt with Mr. Ravi Naik in the lead as the CM has given away, not even for peanuts what does not belong to it by simply signing away Anjedive Island to the Indian Navy. The Congress party must be held responsible for this colossal loss to Goa and Goans. Goa Su-Raj Party congratulates Mr.Edwin Pinto for his concern and the initiative. Floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: flower [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 8:52 AM Subject: [Goanet] Re: Memorandum to Ms. Alva regarding Dabolim airport In the ongoing debate raging over Goa's international airport, a group of citizens from Margao and Verna met with Margaret Alva and handed her a memorandum on the subject, with a copy to South Goa MP Churchill Alemao. We reproduce below the memorandum for your information September 1, 2005 Ms. Margaret Alva, General Secretary, AICC, Goa Desk, Panaji, G O A SUB: A MEMORANDUM DEMANDING THAT THE GOA GOVERNMENT MAKE AN URGENT REPRESENTATION TO THE MINISTRY OF DEFENCE SEEKING THE SHIFTING OF THE NAVAL FACILITY FROM THE CIVILIAN DABOLIM AIRPORT
Re: [Goanet] DABOLIM Only; Mopa N/A
WHY INDEED NOT??? THANK YOU PAULO FOR THE SUGGESTION OF THE YEAR. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Paulo Colaco Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!' goanet@goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 2:40 PM Subject: RE: [Goanet] DABOLIM Only; Mopa N/A Why don't we organise a petition? A petition with proper documents to demonstrate that Dabolim had always been a civilian airport and should remain a civilian airport, with signatures from Goans all over the world and other people as well will be a valid instrument in convincing the navy to leave Dabolim. What do you think? I think there are enough volunteers for this cause who have written extensively with very solid arguments. All we need is to start the petition. Best Paulo. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nasci Caldeira Sent: 06 September 2005 15:27 To: goanet@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] DABOLIM Only; Mopa N/A Yes, we can and should give recognition to Mathany Saldanha, to objecting to the very idea of a second airport at Mopa! So also did Francisco Sardinha object to then; however none were able to divert or stop this 'madness', from going places! Then Sardinha sold out Goa to the BJP wallahs; and Mathany by tagging along to the BJP, has soiled his hands! Even now, Mathany for some reason, does not repent or apologise for flirting with Parrikar.
Re: [Goanet]Re: Re: NEED OF THE HOUR
RKN: Will you be able to retain your MLAs after the elections? FC: Perhaps you have seen the movie Fear is the Key ?? - Original Message - From: Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 4:40 PM Subject: [Goanet]Re: Re: NEED OF THE HOUR (Mr Floriano Lobo on Goa Su-Raj Constitution: Since much could not be written down in the Constitution, we have included only 3 items there. One: A five member cabinet. Two: No chairmanship of Govt. Corporations and Institutions to MLAs, and Three: Absolutely no amendments allowed to the above two articles as well as a few other important articles, throughout the life of the Party.) An honourable sentiment of course, sir! But is it a practical proposition? Will you be able to retain your MLAs after the elections? Regards, RKN
Re: [Goanet]Re: Re: NEED OF THE HOUR
Radharihnan Nair, Sir, Indeed, there is need to be flummoxed. And Goa Su-Raj Party's raison d'etre is to flummox a lot of people, Goans. We do not talk or want to talk about other polittical parties, whether they executed other people's projects or not, etc. We talk about what we have decided to do, about ourselves. The idea is we, meaning Goa Su-Raj do not want to land in the same basket as the others (since 1961). This is the party which can boast that it has been formed without money, in the sense that some crorepati has not formed or financed this party. Also, it has taken a careful note of what happens to parties which are financed by heavry weights. In other words, they (parties) become the financer's slaves and they ultimately go down the toilet drains. This party has a lot of projects in mind. But a few have been outlined in our shortly to be released 'road map'. Alternatively, you may catch hold of this week's Goan Observer to see what I mean by 'project first, then money'. This party would rather keep its mind, tongue and the writing hand free of all curbs, than to see a few of its MLAs in the Assembly. I am making a clear reference to Mr. Matanhy Saldanha here for one. For your kind information, Sir, we, at Goa Su-Raj Party consider all other parties as dirty, soiled and unusable rags, fit to be thrown out along with their patrons. And should you want to pick up a healthy argument on this count with me, you are most welcome. Thank you, with kind regards, floriano - Original Message - From: Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:54 PM Subject: [Goanet]Re: Re: NEED OF THE HOUR The weighty public discourse between Mr Floriano Lobo and Mr Nasci Caldeira is interesting. But I was somewhat flummoxed by this solemn declaration by Mr Lobo in his latest post: We do not accept money unless it is to finance our projects. Does he mean that other political parties accept money to finance someone else's projects? Shall be grateful if Mr Lobo could be a little more elaborate on it. Cheers, RKN _ Aamir Khan is back! http://server1.msn.co.in/SP05/Mangalpandey/index.html See him in the 'mustached' avatar in Mangal Pandey.
Re: [Goanet]NEED of the HOUR: TWO JUDICIAL ENQUIRIES
Dear Nasci, There are vitals flaws into going for CBI inquiries or going to the Court with a PIL. It is very difficult to prove to the courts or the BCI that the money have been siphoned off. No doubt we see it because the amount of expenditure does not justify what we see in place. Money has been intelligently siphoned off. I shall give you one example: Contractor is given the contract for 100 percent quality work. The contractor finishes only 50 to 60 percent of the work in time to get the IFFI going. The remainder work has to be done as pre-monsoon works. (Kala Academy - GMC etc) The government agency GSIDC pays off the contractor for 60% of the work without the say so of the consultant engaged to supervise this work. Even when contractors have written to the GSIDC that pre-monsoon work has to be carried out, no reply has been forth coming from GSIDC, Governor etc. (Considering it was the Governor's rule). Then when the monsoons come pouring down, Kala Academy, GMC , Road Drainage etc. are in a mess. Here Manohar Parrikar cannot be blamed. The Governor and the government is to be blamed. But I don't say that there has not been over spending. Belgian street lamps which cost 1.5 lakhs could have been the best of Indian ones for 20-25 thousand. INOX could have been built withing 8 crores instead of 24 crores. Another 2 or 3 Kala Academies could have been built for the 24 crores that have been spent on its renovation. Besides, Rane himself was its Chairman. The renovation works wouldn't have been done without his sanction. Between Kala Academy and the Promenade at Campal, Patto bridge etc which has cost approx. 50 (25 +25) crores, half the money has actually vanished in thin air. So you see, the Congress government, the Governor are as much guilty as Manohar Parrikar. The Congress wants Manohar Parrikar out because they will then be free to do what they want. No Opposition. Track record of Manohar Parrikar is that he has been a very very good Opposition leader. It is one thing that he messed out on being the CM (because of the RSS's compulsions). Coming back to Goa Su-Raj Party, we are releasing our Road Map on 15th. August. It is not a one or two pages document like most political parties bring out during election time as their Manifestos. It is a book of approx one hundred pages and it touches every aspect of governance for Goa. It will be seen how the Goan people will react to it. We cannot be the cleaners and sweepers of Goa with people standing around watching things done. We want them to join in on the cleaning act. Besides, to engage in cleaning, appropriate funding is required. We do not accept money unless it is to finance our projects. To fight this IFFI mess, the angle taken should be that the works have been carried out at exhorbitant rates which could have been done at almost less than quater of the existing rates. And then, best legal brains must be employed and that takes a big chunk of money. A lot of government people who are genuine and have been sidelined from decision making processes during the IFFI are talking to us. We can utilise them to get the guilty to book. But first thing first. We have to pay for the services since nothing comes free. You will get the message. As far as I am concerned (being the founder president of the party and the initiator of the formation process of the party) I shall not never roast myself on the hot tarred road like an earth worm to do something tat others want done free of cost to save their Goa. I am ready to go down in the slush fighting. But then I have helped to put the right, sturdy and tamper-proof vehicle on the road. The least that one can do is take a seat on it if one wants to go places. With kind regards Floriano goasuraj. NB. This has been typed in a hurry. Pls excuse mistakes and typos. - Original Message - From: Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 10:11 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet]NEED of the HOUR: TWO JUDICIAL ENQUIRIES Hi Florian, You feel that Mr Rane and or Dr W. Sousa, or the Govenor, are involved and therefore will not take up the matter of 'Constituting the Judicial Enquiry'; may be rightly so. But what then? Who is able to do it? What are your ideas and opinion re: commissioning the Judicial Enquiry. Can you or other like minded persons or someone who is a member of 'The Goa Legislative Assembly' initiate a resolution and goad the Govt. towards this goal? C'mon, please get the people to campaign and have this, in place. and not rest untill the Enquiry is established. Your Goa Su-raj Party should start and build up a momentum; Your Party will then even gain prominence in the eyes of the Goan People; and may even win a few seats two years on. Hoping to hear from the 'Goa -Suraj party' on this matter. Cheers. Nasci Caldeira Melbourne.
Re: [Goanet]NEED of the HOUR: TWO JUDICIAL ENQUIRIES
Nasci, You really can dream, and dream well too. However, you must realise that the two persons you are asking to commission the process of inquiry are sitting very much high on pot of gold. In other words, you have high hope of them asking for their own necks to be cut. The Governor too has been filling his bean bags to find it fit to sacrifice Elvis Gomes. After all they both are veteran Congress men, one complementing the other. regd floriano - Original Message - From: Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 7:10 PM Subject: [Goanet]NEED of the HOUR: TWO JUDICIAL ENQUIRIES Hello Goanetters, Goa has been LOOTED and is suffering from far TOO MUCH CORRUPTION and for far TOO LONG. Need of the Hour is: One Judicial Enquiry into 'All aspects including Finances and Execution of projects, as well as the Financial Status of persons responsible for decision making and awarding of contracts: IFFI 2004. That will surely bring out all the misdeameanors committed and pave the way for the trial of those 'Guilty' It will also put a real fright into the present, and may bring about an end to corruption. I remember when India was newly independent; this Huge Scandal with the Finances of the LIC, that which came to be known as, 'The Mundhra Scandal'. The scandal was exposed by Indira's estranged husband Feroze Gandhi, who was also a member of parliament. The people forced the Nehru Regime to Commission the Judicial Enquiry; as a result of that, many rogues were laid waste! That was Justice! It was said that enemies of Feroze, slow poisioned him to death, for forcing the enquiry. The Second Judicial Enquiry should be into 'The Saga of the River Princess', from Day One, until the present time. In the meantime, Evis Gomes who has been made a scape goat, looks like, should be immediately re-instated, with full entitlements. I strongly urge Mr Pratapsingh Rane and Dr Wilfred de Sousa, and the Govenor of Goa, to commission these two Judicial Enquiries without fail! The people in Goa inside and outside Govt. should carry on a sustained campaign, until these two demands of Goans are met. Nothing less will do! Nasci Caldeira Melbourne Down Under.
Re: [Goanet]konkani script: creating problems where there should be none
This thinking is absolutely on the dot. One has to move with times and its inventions. Floriano - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 8:22 PM Subject: [Goanet]konkani script: creating problems where there should be none Let us face it; a script is only a tool to write a language in. The language is the content of what you write. With proliferation of computers, it is easy to write software by which at the click of a mouse, devnagari can be transformed into romi or kannada or mallyalam or vice versa. Yes, computers are not widespread yet, but they could be made widespread. Let people write in the script of their choice, and let scripts be converted at the click of a mouse. But will Goans listen to this? Or will they be perenially fighting on which script should be official or which is better? regards, Samir
Re: [Goanet]Siege mentality.
Dear Gabe, It is with shock that I watched yesterday's BBC et al. And I held back the urge to go enquiring about friends and near and dear ones in London, hoping that all will be well. Yes, I do believe in the saying: Mazor kheuta punn Udracho Jiu Veta. At times we feel that our elected leaders do take arbitrary decisions. But then we must understand that we have elected them to act for us. And that is called democracy. When they take good decisions we hail them. When they take bad decisions such as the Iraq war, we hate them. And we say that we have given birth to Al Qaedas and the Qaedas who blew the London substations and the bus. At this rate we will have to renew our hate for the leaders who led us into the World War I II, and all the wars that have taken place in which someone or other of everyone of us has died. We must hate the leaders for Chernobil, Bhopal, Bangladesh war of 1971, Indira Gandhi's emergency etc etc. Next time we people go to vote to elect our leaders, let us first make sure that the leaders will take only those decisions that will make our nations not go to war, no one gets killed, everyone profits etc etc. In this case will shall not require armies and arms races and even police who can even look sternly at us. We deserve better. In short, we must shove democracy in a tincan and set it afloat in the high seas. I do not blame Tony Blair. I blame the people who blame him and who have again voted to bring him back. If he was the guy who took Britain into Iraq war where the brother of the soldier died, then he should be sitting home and not be in the Parliament again and certainly not in the chair of the Prime Ministr. Let the people of Britain cast in a mould a perfect Prime Minister and there will be no need to go to vote for one ever again. I don't buy the argument that Tony Blair should have listened to the people who were telling him that Iraq war was no good for Britain for the very fact that there were more Britishers who goaded him to go to war. If leaders start listening to every Tom Dick and Harry, they will go raving mad. And worst still, they will not be called LEADERS. Everyone one of us would want our slave as our leader who will say only 'Yes Sir'. Floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet@goanet.org Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 2:05 PM Subject: [Goanet]Siege mentality. I was awakened this morning by an elderly relative, who first enquired if my sons were okay and could I please tell them not to go to work today. Needless to say, I informed him that we have to continue and cannot live with a siege mentality. Londoners are badly shaken with the bombings. Yes we are resolved that these incidents will not deter us; how many though are thinking this was brought upon us by our P.M. Some months ago the father of a soldier killed in the fighting in Iraq stood against the P.M. to make his point, at what he felt was an adventure undertaken by the P.M. The brother of a soldier killed in action, who himself was a soldier spoke out strongly about the Iraq War and what he felt the needless death of his brother. The P.M. got a good resounding slap in the elections when many seats were lost in the elections. The P.M. admitted his mistakes and resolved to listen to the public. He was visibly shaken, when he made his speech yesterday. My gut feeling is that he knows that he is being held responsible for the bombings. These bombers it seems are locally grown British Muslims. If we get another incident of this kind it will be just a matter of time when we, Asians will start to get kicked around, irrespective of our religion. Who are we going to blame then, for this? It is fine for preachers who live in distant, small town places to ask us to show fortitude. Try walking in London this morning with everyone so subdued. Yes time will heal and we shall get back to normal. I do hope that we shall not experience another attack. -- Cheers, Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet]Fw: Goa SEZ and my views............
- Original Message - From: Dr. U. G. Barad (M. Pharm., Ph. D.) To: goasuraj Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 6:18 PM Subject: Goa SEZ and my views Goa SEZ: Boon or Disaster!! SEZ for Goa can be a boon as well as a total disaster. Goans are already witnessing dying industries in decaying industrial estates existing in Goa. Government should realize that it is talking about Special Economic Zone (SEZ) under Central SEZ policy and not about State SEZ under State SEZ policy (which we don't have) nor it is talking about re-energizing the collapsed 20 point program. Government should realize that the success of SEZ depends, besides other factors, on where it is planned to be located, what it is planned for, how it is planned and most importantly, who will be the ultimate beneficiaries of this SEZ. The first on the list of considerations is: SEZ where? Considering the area requirements for setting-up a SEZ is 1000 hectares, which cannot be compromised, nor can it be thought that special relaxation will be granted for Goa alone, Verna appear to be out of question and/or the consideration, though it is closer to the airport and the harbor. In this context Pernem appears to be nicely fitting into the policy. Moreover Pernem will have an airport (MOPA) of international standards. Considering the area constraints, Verna also could have been fitting in as the SEZ area for ' Very Specialized Products' (VSPs), but than, the additional requirement of having port/airport within that SEZ area is out of question for Verna. From this view point if Pernem is considered, then many other infrastructural activities such as wide roads, power generation etc. will have to be created at hopping costs. As regards what the SEZ is planned for, Goa government has still not finalized as to which industries it is aiming at, in the SEZ area. Will it be 'general industries' or 'IT' and 'pharmaceuticals' and allied industries? When SEZs are being started almost in every major state e.g. Navi Mumbai, Amritsar, etc., can Goa think of attracting major industries without offering several major additional sops which are not being offered by other SEZs? Has any one thought about these special attractive incentives that will have to be given in order to attract these industries? And can Goa afford to offer such attractive incentives at the cost of the Goan exchequer? How it is planned (at least projected/proposed) is still a big question here in Goa and to Goans. But business houses are euphoric about SEZ in Goa, but no one, till date, knows what shape it will take, planning wise and/or how it will be structured. Everyone is busy firing their shots about SEZ without even going through the actual requirements of SEZs. Who are going to be the ultimate beneficiaries of this SEZ in Goa is yet another big question by itself. Certainly the net beneficiaries of Goa SEZ, if at all we have one, will not be Goans but non-Goans, and that is for sure. Even the business houses will be mostly non-Goan. As regards employment, Goa has educated class labor including top management personalities. But one thing is certain that 80 % of the labor force including top management will be non-Goans and the balance 20 % will be goans, employed to do altu faltu jobs , that too at a very meager salary, just to show that Goans are employed. This picture will be exactly the same as we see today in industries existing in Goa. Therefore, from all these angles, it is crystal clear that the ultimate beneficiaries of Goa's SEZ will be non-Goan business houses, that too at the cost of the Goan exchequer. Therefore the moot question is: Do we need such SEZ for Goa? This is the question that Goans must ask themselves and come out with the Yes or No answers. Dr. U. G. Barad 600- Vasanti Niwas, Borda, Margao - Goa Tel 2731639
[Goanet]Re: NT Editorial - 29 June, 2005 - COMMENTS
Strengthening the Roots NT-Editorial-2 June, 2005 In all that political turbulence that this state has witnessed over the past several months, few of us have had the time to think whether democracy in real terms is taking shape at the grassroots level. It is by now an established fact that politics at the apex level can only get worse and worse owning to the lack of popular control over switchover of sides by individual politicians. It is clear that things cannot change unless democratic forces are strengthened at the lowest level - in other words, in the villages. A change has taken place in government; but there is little hope that the new government would accelerate the decentralization of power down to the panchayat level in order to strengthen the panchayats. The panchayats in Goa, as in several other states, except Rajasthan and som pockets in West Bengal, have been denied their promised powers. The apex politicians and bureaucrats have been extremely reluctant to devolve powers to them, although they never tire of firing off speeches advocating strengthening the grassroots democracy. The panchayats have to be empowered for consolidation of democracy in the first place, since without that there is no possibility of involvement of people in the development process. They cannot be used merely as an extension of the governance at the apex level. The tragedy is that instead of panchayats influencing the apex level politics, it is the other way round. In view of very little independence and economic power, the panchayat leaders get aligned with this or that political party. The normal trend among them is to align with the ruling party so that they could obtain favours of the ministers and bureaucrats at the apex level and demonstrate to the people that they have delivered benefits to the people. No wonder, with every change in the political complexion of the government , some of the panchayat leaders switch their loyalty to the ruling party. Unless powers are devolved down to the grassroots, this kind of political corruption will continue. In order to create a better system of governance, we have to work toward devolution of power. In the United States and West Europe, local city and village councils enjoy a great deal of power. There are areas defined in which their decision is final. Our own state Goa has already turned into a one large city. The villages are being fast urbanized. Yet the characteristic thing about society here is that a number of people still live in their native village homes. They commute to their workplace in town by private vehicles or public transport but they go back to their village after work. There is need therefore to develop the panchayats as well as the municipal councils as democratic institutions where the problems of the urbanizing rural Goans could be identified and solutions discussed and found. People of villages and towns must have powers through their elected representatives to make plans for the development. Recently in UP, a civil servant passed orders granting land to some agency ignoring the panchayat, but the panchayat officials fought back and ultimately the court had to intervene to decide in favour of the panchayats. The legislators and bureaucrats have to give up their resistance in the interest of consolidation of democracy at the grassroots. The panchayats have a constitutional status and it is everybody's duty to work towards giving these institutions what the law provides. Perhaps a beginning could be made by decentralizing powers in the water and sanitation, rainwater harvesting and epidemic prevention programmes. The panchayati raj was granted official status through an Act of Parliament nearly twelve years ago. But powers have not yet passed into the panchayats' hands. Their powers, instead of expanding, have been clipped; the elected executive and the bureaucracy have shown a negative attitude toward devolution of powers; in several cases the state government has encouraged parallel bodies for work that was meant to be done by the grassroots institutions. Due to the fact that the state governments have been reluctant to divest its powers, the panchayat bodies have ended up at best being agencies of implementation for their decisions. And there is no particular party which has stood in the way of the devolution of powers. All political parties have not gone beyond paying lip service to devolution. Across the country, there are 240,000 panchayats, 6000 intermediate level tiers and 500 district panchayats. They are but showpieces without state governments divesting their powers to them. Comments: by: Floriano Lobo goasuraj Very well said. Devolution of powers as stipulated in the 73rd and 74th. amendments of the constitution are far away from being executed. But one must realize that the Panchayat Raj Act 1994 itself is not a complete and refined document. Each state is left to the liberty of refining it. As the Panchayat Raj Act
Re: [Goanet]Ramblings of this week which reached too late at GO.
Dear Jorge, Do I need to spell it out for you? Or so you pretend that I was referring to you Goans who speak Portuguese?? No Sir, If I must spell it out for you, then the Goan Portuguese are Rane, Parrikar along with the bunch of 39 looters including the passive freedom fighters (who think and revel in themselves for perhaps marching in a morcha against the portuguese etc) who to date remain content with the pensions they get and will not lift a finger to ostracize the all 40 without exception though some of them may be petty thiefs and are learning the trade but definately are the abettors of economic crimes. Doctor Francisco Colaco is one conscientious Goan amongst a few who has recognised who the 'Goan Portuguese' are. for, it is said that bailo chor is better than the 'ghorcho bamto' Best regards Floriano - Original Message - From: Jorge/Livia de Abreu Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goanet goanet@goanet.org Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 1:28 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet]Ramblings of this week which reached too late at GO. - Original Message - RAMBLINGS By Floriano Lobo Of : Revolutions , Agitations Celebrations And I have also told the agitating computer teachers that their mere gathering near the freedom mausoleum on the revolution day, braving the rains, was the starting of another freedom struggle, this time, the struggle against the Goan-Portuguese, to bring about a revolution for Economic Freedom, for, which government of the people, by the people, for the people will want to put 593 young graduates on the roads on empty stomachs when all they want is to go back to their respective schools and teach? Would Floriano Lobo care to explain exactly what he meant by «struggle against the Goan-Portuguese...»? Goan-Portuguese? Who are they? And what have they done to deserve being struggled against? Jorge
[Goanet]Goa Su-Raj Party elections
June 25, 2005 To: The Administrator, GOANET via e-mail. Sir, Sub: Press Note. Attached herewith please find the press note issued by the Party. Thanking you, Yours faithfully, Sd/- (Floriano C. Lobo) Party General Secretary/Spokesperson *** The Goa Su-Raj Party in its internal organizational elections held today at the Party's Mapusa office, the following members of the Party Executive Committee have been elected for a three year period which will extend upto June 2008. Dr. N.S.Dumo- President Mr. Alberto Leitao - Vice President (South) Mr. Mathais Vaz - Vice President (North) Mr. Floriano Lobo Gen Secretary/Spokesperson. Mr. John Pereira - Treasurer. The other posts of Secretary (North South) and Joint Treasurers (North South) have been kept in abeyance. Dr. Dumo held the position of Vice President (North) since April 2002, and Mr. Floriano Lobo held the position of the President since the founding of the Party in August, 2000. Mr. Alberto Leitao retains his position since 2000. Mr. Mathais Vaz and Mr. John Pereira are elected to the Party Executive for the first time being the Supreme Executive members. End
