Re: [Goanet] RE: POLICE FUNNYMEN !
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Francis, I agree with you, Kiran Bedi is a person who did a lot of good work, Tihar jail is one of her best examples But KPS Gill although infamous for that one incident, cleaned Punjab of terrorist activities and allowed the people to live in peace. Just a little thought. Sonia do Rosario Gomes --- Francis Rodrigues <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * > F * I * E * D * S * > > Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA > from November to May > There is no better, value for money, guest > house. > Confirm your bookings early or > miss-out > > Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for > details/booking/confirmation. > --- > I wonder if we're not doing our guardians a great > disservice > here"..just a few gadgets and some image > processing"?? > Sounds rather simplistic. Whilst western police > forces have > advanced considerably in their social standing as a > career > choice, Third World police jobs have plummeted > economically. > Western (US, EU, Can, AU) policemen average a > monthly > take-home pay of $5,000 - on par with a good govt. > job or > high-school teacher in the west (the 3 coveted job > areas). > > Contrast this with our poor havaldars who earn under > $100 > monthly, all the Pay Commissions notwithstanding. > Actually > most Third World (NE Europe, SE Asia, S. America & > Africa) > police forces are corrupt not because they 'want' > to, but > simply because they have to!! How do cops in these > deprived > nations (they all average $100 monthly) support a > wife and > kids, pay school fees, household expenses, etc on $ > 3 a day, all > the while whole families sharing 'dormitory' style > accomodation > in slum-like dingy barracks or 'police-lines' > separated by no more > than a torn curtain?! Do you wonder at their high > suicide rates? > > What I can remark about India is that 'officers' > higher up in the > echelon are far better off than the ordinary > havaldar, profiting > themselves from an unprecedented 'hafta' system of > unauthorised > monthly deductions from their juniors, further > worsening their > plight. Look at the similarly crippled police forces > in S. America and > esp. Brazil as they battle the bikers, the > vigilantes, the anti-police > assasins. All horribly paid. At least Goan police > vehicles function. In > the Balkans, or even throughout Africa '911' simply > doesn't exist > as the police refuse to come saying their vehicles > 'have no fuel !'. > > Having said that, there is hope yet for our forces > particularly after > the advent of Kiran Bedi and Julio Ribeiro (of > course wiping out the > memory of that infamous KPS Gill!). The fault > really, is ours, dog > biscuits notwithstanding. The yearly budgetary > allocations for the > police are the worst in our central & state govts. > It is the greedy > politicians who are stealing from our police and not > the police who > give us poor service. Join Floriano in kicking out > the rotten politicians > and giving our police better pay. Then take our > havaldars to task. > > With the prices of essentials doubling and tripling > in Goa, raising police > pay drastically is the need of the hour. Mind you, > elsewhere it could > be relative. A couple of years back, in Russia I > spoke to the police- > chief in Elista (capital of Kalmykia, not far from > Chechnya) a gregarious > individual sporting a gigantic handle-bar moustache. > He was earning > the princely sum monthly of 1,500 roubles, and > living pretty decently > in a depressed economy. But the rouble was > exchanging at 30 roubles > to the dollar, which meant his monthly pay-check was > the equivalent > of $ 50 ! Try living on that in the modern India (or > Goa) of today ! > > FR. > ... > Helga: > >I if wonder if the officer cops of the IPS cadre do > better?Why > >should our forensics not be at par withthe rest of > the world? > >Its just a few gadgets and some image processing - > a piece of > >cake for our IT dudes. What is not is getting these > hawaldars > >to not put half of the money for equipment in their > pockets so they can > >have a constant supply of batatwadas which I guess > is the Indian
Re: [Goanet] RE: POLICE FUNNYMEN !
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Good point Francis. Our halwaldars are very poorly paid while some of the IPS types enjoy the bribes and the bungalows. But whether its because of their highly stressed but poorly paid jobs or just because - some of them are very cruel and inhumane to the most helpless of them all - the street kids, beggars and prostitutes. One incidence that comes to mind is the little street kid that was crushed under the wheels of the police van at the Margao police station. My experience with cops in Goa have all been severely unpleasant. How about yours? Most of us were poorly paid in Goa -I was too. But some government workers seem to take incivility, rudeness and callousness to a higher level. Barring one gentleman from the Goa Civil Service in the Mamlatdar's office in Margao I cant remember anyone with least bit of courtesy or professionalism and believe me I have been to plenty of offices and I still haunt those dusty corridors. As for my comment "..just a few gadgets and some image processing"? it was not to minimize the entire police force of India. It was in response to Elisabeth's "If you can't manage to get a team trained in forensics, I suggest you rent the enter season of CSI, available on DVD and make your short-pant clad Hawaldars watch it" . To clarify I meant that we dont need any high technology from foreign countries or 'training' from our pedestrian American TV - we have plenty of technology (chromatography, etc), great technicians and fine programmers who can set up data bases and develop sophisticated imaging software but unfortunately we also have corruption. Also I am sure Elisabeth was kidding with her CSI reference. Helga . --- I wonder if we're not doing our guardians a great disservice here"..just a few gadgets and some image processing"?? Sounds rather simplistic. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
[Goanet] RE: POLICE FUNNYMEN !
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- I wonder if we're not doing our guardians a great disservice here"..just a few gadgets and some image processing"?? Sounds rather simplistic. Whilst western police forces have advanced considerably in their social standing as a career choice, Third World police jobs have plummeted economically. Western (US, EU, Can, AU) policemen average a monthly take-home pay of $5,000 - on par with a good govt. job or high-school teacher in the west (the 3 coveted job areas). Contrast this with our poor havaldars who earn under $100 monthly, all the Pay Commissions notwithstanding. Actually most Third World (NE Europe, SE Asia, S. America & Africa) police forces are corrupt not because they 'want' to, but simply because they have to!! How do cops in these deprived nations (they all average $100 monthly) support a wife and kids, pay school fees, household expenses, etc on $ 3 a day, all the while whole families sharing 'dormitory' style accomodation in slum-like dingy barracks or 'police-lines' separated by no more than a torn curtain?! Do you wonder at their high suicide rates? What I can remark about India is that 'officers' higher up in the echelon are far better off than the ordinary havaldar, profiting themselves from an unprecedented 'hafta' system of unauthorised monthly deductions from their juniors, further worsening their plight. Look at the similarly crippled police forces in S. America and esp. Brazil as they battle the bikers, the vigilantes, the anti-police assasins. All horribly paid. At least Goan police vehicles function. In the Balkans, or even throughout Africa '911' simply doesn't exist as the police refuse to come saying their vehicles 'have no fuel !'. Having said that, there is hope yet for our forces particularly after the advent of Kiran Bedi and Julio Ribeiro (of course wiping out the memory of that infamous KPS Gill!). The fault really, is ours, dog biscuits notwithstanding. The yearly budgetary allocations for the police are the worst in our central & state govts. It is the greedy politicians who are stealing from our police and not the police who give us poor service. Join Floriano in kicking out the rotten politicians and giving our police better pay. Then take our havaldars to task. With the prices of essentials doubling and tripling in Goa, raising police pay drastically is the need of the hour. Mind you, elsewhere it could be relative. A couple of years back, in Russia I spoke to the police- chief in Elista (capital of Kalmykia, not far from Chechnya) a gregarious individual sporting a gigantic handle-bar moustache. He was earning the princely sum monthly of 1,500 roubles, and living pretty decently in a depressed economy. But the rouble was exchanging at 30 roubles to the dollar, which meant his monthly pay-check was the equivalent of $ 50 ! Try living on that in the modern India (or Goa) of today ! FR. ... Helga: I if wonder if the officer cops of the IPS cadre do better?Why should our forensics not be at par withthe rest of the world? Its just a few gadgets and some image processing - a piece of cake for our IT dudes. What is not is getting these hawaldars to not put half of the money for equipment in their pockets so they can have a constant supply of batatwadas which I guess is the Indian equivalent of donoughts/donuts? Elisabeth: Come on chaps, get with it. What about sketch artists? What about fingerprints? What about some forensics, however basic they maybe. If you can't manage to get a team trained in forensics, I suggest you rent the enter season of CSI, available on DVD and make your short-pant clad Hawaldars watch it...At least give these dogs a biscuit. I'm sure they take their jobs far more seriously than our policemen. .. _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
