Re: [Goanet] Bleeding labour dry - is that what's happening?

[Mario Goveia]

--- Carvalho <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> If we expect multinationals and huge Indian
> companies to employ adequate number of people to 
> preform required services, we are mistaken. In 
> fact, Indian companies revel in the fact that they 
> can gnaw at the inherent insecurity that resides in 
> every working Indian soul, and make a single 
> employee do the work of at least 3 people.
> 
> This exploitative trend then translates into a "work
> culture". Working long hours, burning the midnight
> oil and the candle at both ends becomes the expected
> norm.  Anyone who dares to leave at end of office 
> hours is condescendingly labeled a "nine-to-five" 
> man and further advances in ones career are all but 
> closed to such an individual.
> 
> Indian companies have never felt the need to have a
> social conscience nor the demographic pressure to be
> employee friendly. Although in recent years some
> advances have been made in the sphere of human
> resource management, the greater emphasis is still
> on "working like a dog" and making one's personal 
> life secondary to the needs of the company.
> 
Mario observes:
>
The only Indian companies I worked for were Larsen &
Toubro and Tata's which were both extremely socially
and employee conscious.
>
Like anything in a competitive free-market economy the
fundamental principle is one of supply and demand.
"Reveling" in mistreating employees would be hazardous
to any company in the long run.  We have a saying in
America, "What goes around, comes around." 
>
True free-market capitalism requires companies to be
socially conscious to their employees, their customers
and their environment for their own long term benefit.
 Ill-treated people have long memories.
>
We know people like your rich friends in Goa who could
certainly treat their maid more humanely, but they
tend to have problems holding on to their workers.  We
have equally rich friends in India, who treat their
domestic help very well and they never seem to have
problems with their help.
>
I don't know about Goa, but I don't think you could
get good domestic help in places like Mumbai and Pune
unless you paid them well and treated them well. 
There is too much demand for their services for them
to put up with poor treatment.
>
You have written about India, but in the US, where
every company is constantly in a survival mode due to
intense competition, "Working long hours, burning the
midnight oil and the candle at both ends..." has
always been the expected norm.  No one who is a "nine
to five" clock-watcher is likely to survive for very
long in any American company.  
>

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[Goanet] How others deal with diversity/ Re to Gabriel

[Sunith Velho]

Dear Gabriel,

Have you not seen on Indian news channels, coverage of common people 
denouncing and burning effigies of government officials every other day.

Hyde Park seemed pretty tame to me compared to the anti-Government protests 
that regularly occur in India. Witness the current ones in Delhi for a 
better picture.

I also believe that anti-Country(as opposed to anti Government) propaganda 
is taken very seriously in all democracies. If you made anti-UK speeches in 
Hyde park, you would not get away with it  lightly(neither from the public 
nor the government).

I wonder if you can freely and openly do the same in your country of 
residence.

I believe the consitution of the vibrant democracy you choose to live in 
cosidered its indigenous people as part of the "fauna" till the 1970's and 
more recently race riots broke out over the use of a beach! Yet you seem to 
condescendingly question the way Indians are dealing with our diversity, us 
being probably the most diverse country in the world.

Your ideas of India and Indian democracy seem to be based less on fact and 
more on some sort of paranoia.

Regards
Sunith Velho

--- Gabriel de Figueiredo wrote:
>
> Wouldn't you be jailed and or severely beaten up in
> India if you carried out anti-India propaganda
> today? India is still "sensitive" even though it may
> proclaim to be "democratic".
>

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[Goanet] An Interesting Sweet Potatoe and Lame Duck Pai Recipe

[Mervyn Lobo]

Folks,
One pleasant Saturday afternoon a few decades ago, I
received a phone call from a friend of mine. His first
words were, "Where the hell are you?" 

I had just returned from the Dar es Salaam Institute
and was pleased with the world. For those of you who
have not been to any of the Institutes in E. Africa,
on Saturday afternoons we began socializing by playing
darts. The bar opened at 12.01 pm sharp and the first
people who entered started playing darts for beers
i.e. the losers bought the winners a beer.   

I was still a darts beginner those days. I would win a
couple of games but when the seasoned players came in,
I would lose despite the bulls eye appearing to be the
size of a tennis ball.

Once the seasoned players started playing, the rest of
us moved to our usual tables on the veranda and
started telling jokes and long stories. On
particularly good afternoons, some tables would break
into a sing song session complete with guitarists.
Later, much later, people would slowly start leaving
to go home, the hen pecked men leaving first..

Returning to my phone call, there I was just back from
the institute about to have mom's rice and curry when
the phone rang. I replied to the caller that I was at
home. His terse reply was, "Come over right NOW." I
had forgotten that his mom had told me several weeks
prior to be at their place for lunch.

So I got into my beach buggy and went over. My
friend's mom was sitting on a wooden chair under a
mango tree. On the table in front of her were several
dishes including a large sufuria with roast duck. She
put a serving of rice on my plate and told me to eat
something 

Several years later, my friend's wife asked me if I
remembered that day. I honestly replied, "No, not
really." Apparently what had happened was that my
friend had taken his then girl-friend home to
introduce her to his mom. His mom, wanting to make
sure that this woman was capable of feeding her son,
asked the young woman if she could cook a meal. The
mom then instructed her potential daughter-in-law to
go into the yard, catch a duck, kill it and serve it
for lunch. 

Sounds simple? Well my friend's wife told me that the
duck her mother-in-law pointed to was a lame duck.
This particular duck could not move as fast/well as
the others. In order to get away, it always surrounded
itself with other ducks. It was also the first to
sense danger, the first to take flight and as such,
the most difficult to catch.

My friend had warned his future wife that his mom
would pull such a surprise on her. He also warned his
future wife that I would be over for lunch. So, being
the resourceful Goan, his future wife came prepared. 

The roasted duck she cooked was/is a classic.
Apparently, between my friend and me, we licked the
platter clean. My friend thus got his mom's
"permission" to marry this Goan girl. His wife later
gave me the recipe that she used that day.

Before we get to the recipe, some of you are aware
that my current wife has been on Goanet longer than
most people here. She is the nicest wife a man could
pray for but bless her little American heart, she is
not fond of cooking. When I need her to cook, I have
to ask her three days in advance as the following
takes place. 

On the first day she will surf the Internet for an
interesting recipe. On the second day, she will hop
down to the supermarket and get all the ingredients.
On the third day, she will enter the kitchen and
produce a most excellent meal.

As such, this recipe is dedicated to my and every
other 21st Century spouse.  

FIRST DAY.
The Ingredients: 
 1 whole duck/turkey 
 4 pegs of rum and/or four beers 
 1 large sweet potatoe
 1 hot Goan sausage 
 1 large lemon, cut into halves 
 8 dried red chilies
 6 green chilies
 1 onion diced
 3 sprigs of coriander 
 1 teaspoon jira
 1 inch piece tumuric
 2 pods garlic
 2 cups well water 
 1/2 coconut (optional for N. American residents)
 Dash of salt to taste 
 Butter or olive oil 
 Any other seasoning you prefer 

Tomorrow I will send you part two, 
i.e. the preparation, time requirements, utensils
needed and the cooking instructions.

The Quintessential Non-Fictional Mervyn3.0










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[Goanet] 12th November.

[A. Veronica Fernandes]

TWELTH  NOVEMBER.

Twelth November will be remembered as one of the momentous dates in the 
history of Kuwait Goans because on this date in 1990 in Goa at Panjim, 
Kuwait Goan Evacuees organized a Public Rally and Public Meeting for the 
cause of Kuwait.  Who were the participants in these Public Rally and Public 
Meeting covering the whole day starting at 10.00 in the morning with a Sit- 
in Strike against Iraqi Invasion of Kuwait at Azad Maidan followed by a 
public rally at 3.00 p.m. on all the main streets in the capital city to 
draw the attention against the invasion of Kuwait and culminating it with a 
public meeting at the same starting place at Azad Maidan at 5.30 p.m. in the 
evening?  Azad Maidan or Freedom Square is a historical place in Panjim Goa 
where all the major agitations and meetings including hunger-strikes against 
injustice were held.  It is situated next to the Goa Police Headquarters and 
during the Portuguese rule it hosted a magnificent Monument of Afonso de 
Albuquerque who conquered Goa for Portugal about 500 years back. The 12th 
November 1990 activities in support of the liberation of Kuwait and in 
condemnation of Iraq were organized under Goa-Kuwait Solidarity Centre which 
was established in Goa by a group of Kuwait Goan evacuees on 3rd November 
1990. The main aim of this Center was to highlight the issue of Kuwait in 
India and make an awakening of the importance of the liberation of Kuwait.  
The promoters of this Center were staunch  supporters of Kuwait who took a 
vow to carry on with their peaceful awakening in support of Kuwait until 
Kuwait is finally liberated from Iraq however long time it may take. Though 
Saddam Hussein wanted to erase the name of Kuwait from World Map but this 
GKS Center was ready to keep the memory of Kuwait alive forever at least in 
Goa because the stalwarts of this Center were very grateful to Kuwait for 
affording the Goans opportunities to work and earn in Kuwait. The organizers 
of this movement had in their minds one message to send to the Government of 
India in New Delhi that India must strongly condemn Iraqi regime under 
dictator Saddam Hussain for illegally invading innocent and peace loving 
country Kuwait and also to make India to support openly the liberation 
process of Kuwait by supporting Kuwait’s cause at UN and other international 
fora.  In the beginning India’s stand on Kuwait was dilemmatic with Hamletic 
attitude of “to be or not to be”.  But after the fall of the then Government 
of V.P. Singh, came Chandrashekar on premier’s chair and he listened to the 
voice of Goans coming on to the streets, so also of many other such Indians 
and changed the stance of Indian Government openly in support of the 
liberation of Kuwait.


Going back to this date 12th Nov. 1990, my nostalgic feelings are getting 
aroused once again to see how a group of Kuwait Goan evacuees about 1000 out 
of approximately 10,000 participated in this day long activities which were 
purely financed by the few from the group.  No external support in any form 
came from any quarters to organize these activities or for its initiative. 
Everything was indigenous originating from the leadership of the Center.  
The daylong proceedings were covered by the local, national as well as 
international media not only print but also satellite.  Special CNN crew 
came to cover this daylong event and immediately the news spread all around 
India, Asia, Europe and other parts of the world that Indians from Goa 
formerly a Portuguese colony came on to the streets to condemn Iraq for 
invading Kuwait.  The 12th November 1990 activities was a big slap on the 
face of Saddam Hussein who never expected Indians would come on to the 
streets to oppose his invasion of Kuwait.  After his invasion of Kuwait he 
was boasting of India’s support and taking it for granted but Goans on this 
date challenged his decision and put him into shame for invading Kuwait.  
Along with him some of his hired Indian “chamchas” were also challenged by 
the Goans. Even in India some of the sympathizers of Saddam Hussein found it 
difficult to admit that Goans who are considered to be mild and “susegad” in 
nature gathered courage to take such a bold and challenging step.


During the public meeting all the speakers in their speeches condemned Iraq 
and its leader Saddam Hussein and special resolutions were passed in support 
of the liberation of Kuwait demanding immediate and unconditional withdrawal 
of Iraq from Kuwait. Copies of these resolutions were sent to Goan and 
Indian Government machineries and also to the UN, Iraqi and Kuwait Embassies 
in India. In this daylong proceedings a few Kuwaitis who were sheltered in 
Goa also participated and amongst them was a high ranking officer Col. Jumma 
Al Kholifi from the Interior Ministry who while addressing the meeting made 
the people cry. When the news of this momentous event reached Kuwait’s 
Ambassador H. E. Ali Zakaria Al-Ansari in New D

[Goanet] Valli - Halli.

[eric pinto]

I can go with that mix, but not the Greek and Kanara foul-up over drinks : 
water to  both groups is neera, not respectful at all to our beloved bubbly 
!  Human settlements may have started life as hallis, but valli - villi - 
valley - village came out the clear  winner in the extended kavkas ( 
caucasus ! ). Every other name in Georgia ends in valli, the current honcho 
is Shalikashvalli, and stinkochav Stalin was born Dzubashvalli.  As a 
northern Bardeshi, i root for Banvalli and Olavalli,  but wont spoil the 
party for Carmo.eric.

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[Goanet] SOGAC VOWS TO TURN IFFI INTO A FIFI

[airesrod]

The SAVE OLD GOA (Bainguinim) ACTION COMMITTEE (SOGAC)
has today welcomed Panaji MLA and Goa’s Leader of
Opposition Mr. Manohar Parrikar’s support in opposing
the Corporation of the City of Panaji’s decision to
set up its garbage disposal plant in a Panchayat area
of Old Goa at Bainguinim.

Now with all the political parties, all the concerned
MLA’s and all the Sarpanches of the neighbouring areas
too vehemently opposed to the project, the government
should in its own wisdom immediately scrap the project
and drop the land acquisition proceedings by invoking
Sec 48 of the Land Acquisition Act.

If the Goa government continues to be so adamant and
insensitive to the voice of the people, the SAVE OLD
GOA (Bainguinim) ACTION COMMITTEE would have no choice
but through “Gandhigiri” oppose the garbage disposal
plant proposed and being pushed by Urban Development
Minister Mr. Joaquim Alemao in the vicinity of a world
religious, historical and heritage area of Bainguinim.

By holding a morcha to coincide with the inauguration
of IFFI 2006 on November 23rd it would be an
opportunity for the people to highlight to the whole
world the plight of Old Goa and its residents whose
wishes and aspirations the local government seems not
concerned about.

The SOGAC has vowed to turn IFFI into a FIFI, the
stink of which the Goa Government would have to bear
for disrespecting the sentiments of the people and
their elected representatives.  

On expiry of the one week ultimatum given to the Goa
Government the SAVE OLD GOA (Bainguinim) ACTION
COMMITTEE will meet under the Chairmanship of Old Goa
Sarpanch Mr. Nilkanth Bhomkar on Friday 17th November
at 10 am at Old Goa Panchayat to finalise the
arrangements of the massive morcha planned at Panaji
on 23rd November to coincide with the inauguration of
the 37th IFFI. 





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Re: [Goanet] Re Maddel or Caju ? Salcete or Bardez ?

[Valmiki Faleiro]

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Re: [Goanet] Goans VS East indians of Bandra

[Alfred de Tavares]

Hear! Hear!! For God´s sake pray Hear!!!

AT



From: "Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" 


To: 
Subject: [Goanet] Goans VS East indians of Bandra
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2006 00:19:50 -0500

Dear Goanetters,

This mail is with reference to the spate of balderdash being posted by the
apparently erudite and controversy loving Dr. Carmo D'Cruz on the 
absolutely

superfluous debate, Goans VS East Indians of Bandra.

I too am a Bandra boy and a proud Stanislite (batch of 1971). I too played
hockey (Mama Mia, also as a Goalkeeper). Cedric D'Souza and I were
contemporaries in College and needless to say both competing for the
goalkeeper's post. He also coached me for a team called the Hill Road Boys.
Hillary Gomes (Timmy ) was my senior, his sibling Clarence was my
contemporary. They have a more famous cousin , Marcellus Gomes who played
for India with distinction. Francis D'Mello the first Indian school boy who
played in the 1st  Hockey World Cup of 1971 in Barcelona, was my class
mate.That much for my humble credentials, which is just to make a point to
the good Doctor, that I do know what I'm talking about.

I would like to put on record once and for all, that I have never
encountered any so called rivalry between Goans and East Indians. In those
halycon years of our youth, caste and community hardly mattered. You played
to win, you played tough. You learnt to take the smooth with the rough.
That's it. Till today I'm quite ignorant of the fact whether so and so
player was an East Indian, Goan or a Mangalorean. It hardly mattered. So 
I'm

really at my wit's end trying to make some sense of this senseless mythical
debate. Let's give it a decent burial. There is far too much of communalism
in this beloved country of ours, let us not add to the poison, rather seek
mitigants. Dr. Carmo please stick to your mission to improve Indian hockey
with Balbirji. We will all pitch in, in this noble endeavour. Viva.

Edwin Fernandes
Proud Stanislite,  prouder to be a humble Indian


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[Goanet] Niz Goenkar

[Valmiki Faleiro]

NIZ GOENKAR
By Valmiki Faleiro


Who are Goans? I spoke of migrant "Ghantkars" (people from across the Ghats, as 
then
locally known) while tracing the roots of Margao’s Dindi fest last week. Those 
migrants,
now in their third or fourth generation, are so assimilated into the local 
ethos that it would
be ridiculous to regard the Sadekars, Neogis, Munjs or Dalals as non-Goan 
anymore.
Where, then, lies the dividing line between Goan and non-Goan? Forget the 
15-year
domicile definition of the State, who really is a migrant?

Ghantkars are as much Goan as the Vaishyas (or Vanis, the traders) who migrated
largely from South Maharashtra, are. Or as the Daivadnya Brahmins (goldsmiths) 
are.
Or as the Bahujan Samaj (lower castes in Manu’s hierarchy) is. Why, even 
bhaiyyas from
distant Uttar Pradesh, imported as sanitary workers when night soil was carried 
on
the head for disposal, and later as labourers for handling cargo at Mormugao, 
are now
in their Nth generation. As of course are the Sattari Ranes, a clan distinct 
from the rest
of Goa’s Kshatriyas, who migrated from the hills of Maharashtra or beyond. One 
of them
has been Goa’s longest serving Chief Minister for their Goanity to be in doubt.

Are the Aryan Gaud Saraswat Brahmins and the Kshatriyas – the two principal
communities that settled in Goa centuries before, and established most of her 
villages –
the ‘original’ Goans? To seek an offbeat view, let’s delve a wee bit into 
history.

Aryans arrived here from either Bengal or Kashmir, perhaps both. They arrived 
in clans,
Vangods. A vangod comprised of a dozen or a few dozen blood-related families. 
Between
ten to thirty such vangods united, identified suitable land, marked the village 
boundaries,
and settled. In their infinite wisdom, they decided that the village land and 
assets would
be owned in common. Thus were born the gaunkaris, Goa’s village republics, 
which the
Portuguese centuries later re-christened as comunidades.

An interesting sidelight: Saraswats and Kshatriyas, traditional rivals, never 
mixed.
Thus you had Saraswat villages and Kshatriya villages. A pattern obtains in 
Salcete,
which until Dec-1880, included today’s Mormugao. All seaside villages from 
Velsao to
Cavelossim were Kshatriya villages (save a single exception, Benaulim.) 
Chicalim,
Sancoale, Cortalim, Verna, Margao, Raia, Loutolim, Benaulim, Curtorim and 
Guirdolim
were notable Saraswat villages. Besides coastal villages, Assolna, Velim, 
Cuncolim,
Chinchinim, Navelim and Chandor were prominent Kshatriya villages. You never 
found
a Saraswat in a Kshatriya village and vice-versa (save a notable exception of 
three
Saraswat families in Kshatriya Assolna.) So was it with most of Goa.

The village communes, gaunkaris, soon realized they’d be better off with 
division of
labour. Each village imported hundreds of other caste families – goldsmiths, 
ironsmiths,
barbers, bamboo weavers, cobblers, etc. – for their specialized skills or as 
menial help.
Migrants, all.

Between then and now, there was a trickle of migrants all throughout … like the 
Vanis,
the Ranes, the Ghantkars. There also were, particularly in the initial phase of 
Portuguese
colonialism, waves of emigrants – particularly of Saraswats, who fled religious
persecution. (Most of Margao fled, as we shall see some other day.) Uttar and 
Dakshin
Kannada had no native Saraswats. The ones there today are invariably of Goan 
descent.
Goa’s loss was Mangalore’s gain.

Back to the original question: were Saraswats and Kshatriyas the original Goans?
Saraswats, with arguably superior intellect, spun a story to make the answer 
appear in the
affirmative. They said they came from the banks of the Saraswati, to a land 
created
especially for them by Lord Parashurama. Remember the arrow-into-the-sea story.
An ingenious Brahmin from Benaulim even postulated that the arrow landed in his
village (banna halli) – reason why Benaulim is a GSB exception to Salcete’s 
Kshatriya coast!
They said Lord Parashurama brought 96 (Shan’nav) GSB clans from ten gotras 
(dasgotri)
to the promised land, of which 66 (Shashasth) settled in Shasthi (Salcete) and 
balance
30 (Tis) in Tiswadi. Heaven knows where the Bardez GSBs descended from.

History, however, tells us that Aryans colonialised Goa between the 8th and 
12th centuries,
Anno Domini. History also tells us that Stone Age humans inhabited Goa about 
one lakh
years ago. Recorded history mentions Goa from about 2,500 BC. Archaeological 
evidence
shows Dravidian tribe settlements around Dudhsagar – in Kalay, Bimbal, Sonauli 
and
Shigao villages. This means that Saraswats and Kshatriyas were migrants to a
long-inhabited land. All who followed were migrants. Goa, down history, has 
been a land
of migrants. Any surprise that history currently repeats itself?


CONGRATULATIONS: Dr. RG Wiseman Pinto, professor & HoD, Pathology, GMC (and,
incidentally, one from the three ‘exception’ families of Assolna mentioned 
above) has
earned Goa a rar

Re: [Goanet] Maddel or Caju ? Salcete or Bardez ?

[Mario Goveia]

--- CARMO DCRUZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> We Shastikars, who always drink in moderation (to
> our health of course !) prefer our neat Maddel  or 
> with a little soda - The Caju smell lingers 
> longer and that makes many Bardezkars smell like
> bebdos !
> 
Mario observes:
>
Carmo,
I'm sure most Sashtikars are perfectly normal people
who drink in moderation, but I can tell they have at
least one bebdo amongst them:-))  
>
According to Carmo's research, we Bardezkars have
descended from fierce Maratha mountain warriors. 
Therefore it stands to reason we like our adult
beverages much stronger than the docile Kannadiga
farmers and fishermen the Sashtikars have descended
from, according to Carmo.
>
What Carmo may not know from drinking mild Maddel is
that Caju fenny can put hair on your chest.  Besides,
we can tell who is a bebdo by how they behave and what
they write, which is a better indication than the
unique and heavenly fragrance of Caju fenny, which any
clever bebdo from Bardez can easily mask:-))
>

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Re: [Goanet] Bleeding labour dry

[Frederick \"FN\" Noronha]

On 11/11/06, Vivian D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dunno about Selma's experiences.  Labor in Goa is now at a premium.  If you
> want a day laborer, you better be able to pay the price they quote and all
> the extras they demand.

Yeah, so what?

What Vivian says is absolutely right. But does it mean that workers
here earn a good deal?

It's like the case of taxis in Goa: taxis are frightfully costly. Yet,
most taxi drivers earn peanuts, and don't make a decent living.
Compare this with Mumbai, for instance, where you wouldn't think twice
before taking a taxi... and yet the drivers there earn far better.

How come?

Our markets are *highly* inefficient here. Structural flaws ensure
that both "buyers" and "sellers" loose out. In the case of
taxi-drivers, the market is too overcrowded. Banks offer loans,
without realising what would be the impact on the economy (each bank
is bothered only about their own profitability.) In addition, the
nature of Goa is such that 'return fares' are generally not available.
To complicate matters, the Goan business ethic is to 'hit hard' the
first customer that comes your way. Charge maximum. Guaranteed that
the customer doesn't come back, and you have to only keep charging
more to make your small-business viable! The vicious cycle, here we
come

Coconut pluckers and plumbers are hard to come by. But except for a
very tiny minority (if any) or big players, these sections often find
it difficult to get regular work or a steady income stream. I should
know this myself, as my dad ran a small plumbing firm in past decades.
So I generally avoid the middle-class fulminations about the
impossible-to-find plumber!

Information, or the lack of it, is one of the key factors that make
the market inefficient. Goa's unusual geography (scattered, try
servicing your computer or washing machine... in Parra or Cuncolim,
forget about Agonda or Pissurlem) adds to the problem. The small size
of the market also means that those offering their services can't
depend on volumes to turn more competitive.

Entrepreneurship takes a beating, leave aside the less-educated or
less-competitive person who has only his or her labour to offer on
sale.

It is a shame that despite having so much access to telecom (and now,
promises of broadband) we have not been able to use these tools to
correct such basic problems.

Apart from that, there is a total contempt for labour (forget about
dignity!) in our caste-driven society. And whom can we blame if the
son of a fisherman prefers to be a waiter in a situation where at
least the White tourist doesn't regard class/caste/claste markers so
strongly?

It's a complex situation. You could all it a lose-lose-lose game. High
time we acknowledged this and started looking for solutions. Forget
about all that official bombast. FN
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[Goanet] How smart can we get?

[Gilbert Lawrence]

Are we here to play gotcha on facts and information?  Or are we here to 
dialogue, outline perspectives and arrive through dialogue to consensus 
opinions and mutual answers?  Some may think this is an intrusion into Selma's 
thread.   Nope!  Yet, it is similar.

Even more amazing is when one is challenged for information by others. The 
challengers make no effort to get any facts on their own.  And when some do so, 
and get independent corroborating facts, they do not believe in them either.

A good example was the recent brouhaha about the Goan mauxi's kani and the mice 
experiment.   Verdes in his account of Goa's cancer kaneos reteriorated a 
different version of the mauxi's kani which fundamentally did not differ from 
mine. Please read his post if needed. The moderators understandably blocked my 
acknowledgement to that post. I accept their decision.

Santosh challenged me (rather harshly) to my facts and kindly sent me about 
seven references to back his claim.  It is clear that he and Dr. Jayant 
appeared to confuse the issue of excising a single / solitary / primary tumor 
(take your pick, depending on your technical background);  to removing only 
some tumors in multiple / several / metastatic lung tumors.  The detrimental 
effects of the surgery in the LATTER SITUATION was attributed to depressed 
immunity.  

>From the seven references on Santosh's list, two papers appeared relevant 
>papers.  I requested our librarian to retrieve the 1976 paper, titled: Effects 
> of Surgery on Cell Kinetics of Residual Tumor, by Linda Simpson-Herren et al. 
>(Cancer Treat Rep 60:1749-1760, 1976).   

After describing their mice experiments, under RESULTS (pg 1750), the authors 
report, "The mass of lung tumor in surgery-treated mice appears to approach 
this (lethal tumor) burden at a more rapid rate that similar tumor masses in 
the intact - untreated, tumor bearing mice."

Under Effects of Surgical Excision (pg 1756), the authors report (with surgery) 
there is an increase in growth rate (of remaining tumors); and reduction in 
life span of the surgically treated mice than in controls. In the following 
paragraph, the authors continue, this "would be entirely consistent with 
outburst or acceleration of growth of existing tumor foci and may be due, in 
part to change in the immune status of the host (4 additional references) after 
removal of the tumor."

I thank Santosh for providing the reference which addressed his own questions / 
concerns / issues or non-issues. I do not plan to read the remainder of the 
references, because I do not have the time.  Neither do their titles suggest 
that those studies have any bearing on the topic under discussion. There are 
about 4-5 different explanations why partial surgery in advanced cancer may 
have a detrimental effect on the remaining cancer.  Hope this dialogue 
stimulated young goanetters into the exciting world of science and research.  I 
do not plan to pursue this discussion any further. 

Regards, GL
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Re: [Goanet] Bleeding labour dry /re. Disparity

[Aristo]

Hi Vivian,

I too don't know what Selma is talking about, perhaps its another one
of those birds-eye observations of hers. (HA HA, can't help harping on
Selma's Achilles heel!)

In my limited experiences, I have rarely seen a person working a
strict Nine-to-SIX being derided for it. I follow it religiously
(oops), as I follow a 12 hr "Work"- 12 hr "Play" schedule, "work"
including the time I step out of the house to leave for work and
stepping in back after work, and "Play" including
sleep/hygiene/food/family/social life. Since Bangalore traffic has
already reached insane levels, travel to work and back takes 3 hrs, so
its a nine-to-SIX for me. But I digress. I used to be "exploited" when
I used to work for a German client, but I put my foot down then and
there was no negative fallout. Now that I work for an American client,
I feel sorry for them as I notice my counterparts in the States work
longer hours than myself, and they envy the number of holidays we,
here in India, have. I, however, blame them for their longer work
hours to their unusually long lunch breaks and in-between shopping
errands. But again, I digress. Coming back to Selma's view of India's
"Work Culture", HR practices in Indian MNC's at least, have taken
giant leaps, and in my experience, ARE employee friendly. However,
smaller companies and public companies, which employ far greater
numbers still have a long way to go in this arena.

Anyway, my reason for participating in this thread was not really for
the above discussion, but for the statement that you made: "I
sincerely hope that the trickle down effect of India's expanding
economy is reaching the common man."

I too share your hope in this regard. In my small sphere of influence,
I see this working quite well. In Bangalore, a lot of small businesses
and services have mushroomed up to cater to the growing IT sector
population and the burgeoning amount of money being circulated.
However, this is only Bangalore. Recently, my hopes were dashed when I
read a report where it mentioned that while India's GDP grew at an
average rate of 6% over 11 years after the 1991 reforms, its poverty
declined by only 0.74%!!!

Read more about this here:
India's economic boom fails to impact poverty: NSSO survey:
http://www.infochangeindia.org/PovertyItop.jsp?section_idv=7

India Ranks 93 of 119 Countries on Global Hunger Index:
http://us.oneworld.net/article/view/141570/1/8522

While it is clear that Socialist economics is a disproved and failed
one, clearly Capitalism, which is often labeled as "evil" has little
effect on reduction of disparity. But that is the "Bare-faced"
Capitalism that we're talking about, based on the monetarist school of
thought (free from Government intervention). "Human-faced" Capitalism,
which is based on the Keynesian school of thought (LIMITED
restrictions/intervention by Government), and of whom our Manmohan
Singh is a great proponent of, is what can bridge the divide. As I
have stated on Goanet before, I care not only for where we stand
economically by 2030, but where we stand on the Human Development
Index (HDI). Right now we are at 127. Whether or not Manmohan Singh
and P. Chidambaram are slowly but surely seeding the annual budgets
with their Human-faced Capitalistic ideas without the Communists
taking notice is a mystery, but poverty IS decreasing a LITTLE faster
at a rate of 0.79% over the last few years, which still keeps the
candle of hope flickering on.

Which reminds me of a prissy forward I received a few days ago called
"Four Candles", on the lines of Mervyn's mushy "The Dash":
http://www.tomslighthouse.net/lighthse/foot17.htm

Cheers,
Aristo.


On 11/11/06, Vivian D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Dunno about Selma's experiences.  Labor in Goa is now at a premium.  If you
> want a day laborer, you better be able to pay the price they quote and all
> the extras they demand.
>

>  I sincerely hope that the trickle down effect of India's expanding
> econcomy is reaching the common man.  Inevitably there are regional
> disparities.  The labor pool in Goa is made up mostly of migrants from
> across the Ghats in neighboring Karnataka where
>  there are pockets of extreme poverty.

---
Sema wrote:
If we expect multinationals and huge Indian companies
to employ adequate number of people to preform
required services, we are mistaken. Infact, Indian
companies revel in the fact that they can gnaw at the
inherent insecurity that resides in every working
Indian soul, and make a single employee do the work of
atleast 3 people.

This exploitative trend then translates into a "work
culture". Working long hours, burning the midnight oil
and the candle at both ends becomes the expected norm.
Anyone who dares to leave at end of office hours is
condescendingly labeled a "nine-to-five" man and
further advances in ones career are all but closed to
such an individual.

Indian companies have never felt the need to have a
social conscience nor the demographic pres

Re: [Goanet] Lost tribe of Africa, Mestizos

[Mario Goveia]

--- Eugene Correia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I was told that Fr. Benny Aguiar is brother of late
> Prof. Theophilus Aguiar, who was one of my teachers
> at St. Xavier's College.  I believed Aguiar was a 
> Goan, but perhaps I am wrong in my belief. I will 
> check with Prof. Aquiar's son who lives in New York.
> I met Fr. Benny on a couple of occasions. He was
> later transferred to Delhi and edited an organ of 
> the Catholic Bishops Conference of India.
> 
Mario replies:
>
Fr. Benny Aguiar is an East Indian and the oldest
sibling in his family.  He is not related to Prof.
Theophilus Aguiar, who, I believe, is a Goan.  Fr.
Benny's sister, Sr. Avis Aguiar, has been an assistant
in Rome to Cardinal Lourdaswamy for over 25 years. 
Fr. Benny was Editor of the Examiner for several
years.
>
For some of those on Goanet who seem unfamiliar with
East Indians, they are culturally indistinguishable
from Goan and Mangalorean Catholics, including their
names as we see from Eugene's post, except they may
speak Marathi instead of Konkani among themselves.
>
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[Goanet] UK warns nationals over property deals in Goa

[Gabe Menezes]

http://oheraldo.in/node/20378

UK warns nationals over property deals in Goa

BY HERALD REPORTER
PANJIM, NOV 10 – The UK government has cautioned its nationals
visiting Goa against getting involved in property deals that violate
provisions of Foreign Exchange Management Act (FEMA).
"The Government of Goa has strict rules governing the purchase of
property in the State by non-Indians. Please ensure that you are
familiar with the provisions of the Foreign Exchange Management Act,
1999 and the most recent instructions issued by the Reserve Bank of
India before entering into any property purchase agreement," the
British government's travel advisory says.
It further warns Britons saying that if the purchase is judged to
violate local laws, "you are likely to lose all the money you have put
in to the purchase. It is wise to engage a reputable local lawyer for
advice before approaching estate agents or private vendors," it has
advised.
The advisory comes in the wake of reports that the State has detected
some cases wherein immoveable properties have been purchased by
foreigners without fully adhering to FEMA.
A five-member committee is scrutinizing some 480-odd cases where
violation of FEMA is suspected.
The Goa government has made it very clear that no foreigner of
non-Indian origin who visits the country on tourist visa can purchase
immoveable property in the State. FEMA permits purchase of immoveable
property by foreigners of non-Indian origin provided they have stayed
in the country for more than 182 days. Tourist visas generally are for
not more than 180 days.
After cases were raised by Rajan Ghate, NYC president in Goa, the Rane
government issued some instructions slightly tightening the laws for
acquiring immoveable properties in the State. Now RBI as well as
Enforcement Directorate is monitoring property deals.
Meanwhile, the British government has also informed their nationals
about drowning cases. "Several drowning cases have highlighted the
lack of warning signs or flags and life-saving equipment on most of
India's beaches. Strong undercurrents are a particular hazard," the
advisory says.


-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London, England
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[Goanet] Spiralling Untruths and Whirling Dervishes - thread closed by self

[Cecil Pinto]

As a long time supporter of the GoaNet initiative I have decided to go that 
extra mile and help the GoaNet Admin Team in their task by indulging in 
self censorship. Therefore I declare the thread "Spiralling Untruths and 
Whirling Dervishes" hereby closed as it has been conclusively proved that 
certain bombastic statements, regarding divorce and extra-marital sex in 
Goa, made by a certain regularly dramatic poster who often indulges in mere 
rhetoric, are completely without basis in fact.


-- New thread starts -

Selma wrote:
And that is the crux of the matter when one feels no
obligation to prove anything but can just say that the
statements made by other people are incorrect. Then
the audacity to gloat that they've proved credibly
their point. It's a bit like Goan politics. Do a
Hindifilmi dance, obscure the topic, make wild
allegations against opponents, muddy the intent and
voila, you have won the argument.


Cecil:
I venture to state that Selma knows precious little about Goan politics and 
as usual is soapboxing. I will change my opinion if Selma is able to give 
three examples of incidents in contemporary Goan politics which meet all 
her criteria:
- Hindifilmi dance
- Obscuring of topic
- Wild allegations against opponents
- Muddying if intent
- Winning of argument

Please mention specific names and dates and details of incidents.

Before I be accused of nitpicking I would just like to state that as part 
of my new initiative of voluntarily co-operating with the GoaNet Admin I 
would like to see postings that are more factual and less grandiloquent.

Have a nice weekend.

Cheers!

Cecil

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[Goanet] Goanet News Headlines * Nov 11, 2006 * Rane announces austerity measures for Goa .... mining protest reaches hotel

[Frederick \"FN\" Noronha]

Goanet News Headlines * Nov 11, 2006

* Rane announces series of austerity measures. To cut administrative costs.
  Restrictions on foreign travel for official work, ban on new recruitments,
  outsourcing jobs in Class IV, ban on pruchase of new vehicles. E-procurement
  to be done via internet.(GT) But the ban on new posts will take effect
  only from March 2007 onwards.
* Grant of Goa University land to International Centre, Wipro, Int'l Convention
  Centre and IT park approved by Cabinet. Rane said, "There is no
  controversy. The land belongs to the government." (GT)
* Foreigners are seeking a diverse range of visas to Goa, apart
  from that of the tourist (T) visa. These range from student (S), to
  employment, business our journalist visa to a research (R),
  conference (C), transit (TR) or diplomatic visa. (Rina Torcato,
  deputy SP in GT).
* Dabolim airport bans parking inside; security. (H)
* UK warns its nationals over property deals in Goa. (H)

 PROTEST AT THE CIDADE: Protestors were up against the rail terminus
 project at Xelvona, and took to agitating against the Timblos (owners of
 the Cidade de Goa), whom they alleged would be a beneficiary of the
 project. After submitting a memorandum to the Governor at Dona Paula,
 the protestors stopped by the Cidade Hotel. Panjim town police registered
 a complaint of unlawful assembly, rioting and other offences allegedly
 committed against the Cidade de Goa hotel.

* Sporting Clube is the King of Goan soccer. Champions at last,
  after being runners-up for the last three years. (GT)

* Panchayats glee over extension prospects; postponement of polls. (GT)
  "If the term of the panchayat is extended, it will be better for us." --Jose
  Afonso, Varca sarpanch. "We have started many development works and the
  present members should be allowed to continue." --Tulsidas Prabhu Usgao-Ganjem
  sarpanch. (GT)

* NIO to hold Asia Pacific Remote Sensing Symposium. (GT)

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[Goanet] Maddel or Caju? Salcete or Bardez? A question of impotence

[Cecil Pinto]

Dr. Carmo D'Cruz wrote:
We Shastikars, who always drink in moderation (to our health of course !)
prefer our neat Maddel  or with a little soda - The Caju smell lingers
longer  and that makes many Bardezkars smell like bebdos !


Cecil:
It is true that Caju is far more potent, in odour and effect, than Maddel.
Perhaps potency is the hallmark of the North?

Cheers!

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[Goanet] Saints As We Do Not Know Them (By Fr. Desmond de Sousa CSsR, SAR NEWS)

[Frederick \"FN\" Noronha]

Saints As We Do Not Know Them

By Fr. Desmond de Sousa CSsR, SAR NEWS

PANAJI, Goa (SAR NEWS) -- Christians all over the world observed the
All Saints Day to glorify God for all the saintly people who lived and
died for Christian ideals. While many saints led lives of quiet
service, some led the life of courageous prophets, speaking the truth
to those in power -- sometimes within the Church. Often, these
prophets were mistreated, silenced or excommunicated by the officials
of that very Church they loved so dearly and strove to serve so
faithfully. Today they are worthy of "public veneration" by Catholics
worldwide.

St. Paul's confrontation with St. Peter (Gal 2:11-21) and his split
with St. Barnabas over St. Mark (Acts 15:36-41) in the early Church
may be well known. But his frustration with St. James, the Bishop of
Jerusalem, needs to be highlighted. St. James and the Judaisers
declared all gentiles had to first become Jews through circumcision
before becoming Christians.

Paul's response to his Galatian converts is, "I wish that the people
who are upsetting you would go all the way; let them go on and
castrate themselves!" (Gal.5/2 -12).

The Church's long history of "faithful dissent" echoes the call of the
Second Vatican Council (1964), which declared that expressing opinions
"on matters concerning the good of the Church" is sometimes an
obligation for the faithful. It offers both hope and perspective to
Catholics in our time.

In October this year, Pope Benedict XVI declared Mother Théodore
Guérin a saint. She founded the Sisters of Providence and started
several schools and a college in the rural region of the State of
Indiana in the 1800s. The idea of an independent woman deciding where
and when to open schools offended the Catholic bishop Célestine de la
Hailandière of Vincennes, Indiana.

In 1844, when Mother Guérin was away from her convent raising money,
the bishop ordered her congregation to elect a new superior and to
eject her from the very order of nuns that she had founded. The
sisters, just as independent minded as their foundress, simply
re-elected Mother Guérin.

This infuriated Bishop Hailandière. He forbade Mother Guerin from
entering her own convent, since he considered himself its sole
proprietor. Three years later, the bishop again demanded that Mother
Guérin resign. When she refused, the bishop announced to her
congregation that she was no longer superior. He ordered her to leave
Indiana and forbade her from communicating with her sisters. Her
sisters in turn refused to obey his dictatorial orders. A few weeks
later, as matters deteriorated further, Bishop Hailandière was
suddenly replaced by the Vatican.

>From then on, the Sisters of Providence flourished. Today, its 465
members work in 10 States, the District of Columbia, China and Taiwan.

Many people think of women saints as habitually docile, especially to
the bishop. But Mother Guérin was not the only saint to have found
herself at odds with local bishops, church officials or even the
Vatican.

St. Joan of Arc was burned at the stake at the behest of the Church
officials. St. Catherine of Sienna (1347-1380) was chosen to mediate
between Pope Gregory XI and the warring city States. She successfully
persuaded the Pope to return to Rome after the Avignon Captivity
(1309–1377), when the Popes resided at Avignon in France.

Pope Gregory XI's death led to the Great Western Schism (1378 –1417)
with the election of Urban VI as Pope. His violent ways led to the
election of anti-Pope Clement VII. Catherine, while defending Pope
Urban's legitimacy, urged him to moderation. She died from her
strenuous exertions in 1380.

More recently, in 1871, Mother Mary MacKillop was excommunicated – the
Church's severest punishment – four years after founding a religious
order for women in Australia. One biographer commented that the
bishops of the day were intimidated by Mary's "independent spirit and
steely character." In 1995, Mary MacKillop was beatified, the final
step before canonisation, by Pope John Paul II.

Some saints have experienced firsthand that a sincere intention is no
guarantee that everybody in the Church will listen — even today. India
has no such tradition of courageous, prophetic Indian women who could
be considered for canonisation. Maybe the cause of Sister Rani of
Indore, savagely murdered for confronting the exploiters of the poor,
could be a beginning. Of course, she has to pass the test of being
martyred for the faith, not for political reasons.

Who knows which future saints are lurking among the women religious
and laywomen in action groups and peoples' movements, who have already
or will in the future lay down their lives for the poor and
downtrodden? This is an aspect of Saints As We Do Not Know Them.

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[Goanet] Banna-halli (Benaulim, Salcete) and the True Goans !

[Miguel Braganza]

  From: "CARMO DCRUZ" wrote
Hi Mario,
Well, according to my research (done painstakingly in the mid 80s),
Kannadigas were also  the indigenous people of Goa along with the
Gavdas and the Kunbis. As a relative percentage, there were more Kannadigas 
in what is now known as Salcette than Gavdas  Bardezkars have a more Maratha 
(aka Ganti - from the ghats) componont to your ancestry and less of a 
Kannadiga component than we Sashtikars.
   Benaulim in Salcete or Banna-halli (Banna means arrow, halli means 
village) was supposed to be the place where Parashuram's legendary arrow 
(which he shot from the Sahayadhri Ghats) landed - the waters parted, and 
Goa with its beautiful beaches was born (according to the Puranas).  So we 
can conclude that Salcete was at the Genesis of Goa and we Sashtikars are 
the True Goans !
Best Regards,
Dr. Carmo D'Cruz,
...
  Dear Carmo,

  You are absolutely right. For those who are not aware, Goa was ruled by 
the Kadambas with their capital in Banvasi, near Sirsi in North Kanara 
Distirict of Karnataka. Later the Sondekar Rajas ruled the four Southern 
talukas[entrusted to the Portuguese from 1764 till 1961 for safe keeping] 
from Sonde, between Yellapur and Sirsi. Technically, the residents of 
Ponda/Antruz, Sanguem, Canacona and Quepem were Kannadigas [not Portuguese 
subjects] till Liberation.

  Goa as a single political entity is a political MYTH till 19 December 
1961. This myth became a reality only thereafter. What you believe , you 
become.

 Viva Goa.

  Miguel


Viva Goa.Say it with feni.
MIGUEL BRAGANZA,  Mhapsa
Horticulturist/ Editor 

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[Goanet] SOIRIKEN KAZAR (Arranged marriage) Part 5

[domnic fernandes]

SOIRIKEN KAZAR (Arranged marriage) – Part 5

TAG DANCE (Continued)

Once the ‘Tag Dance’ began, the emcee would interrupt the band every now and 
then and announce – ‘Tag’ – at which the males who had been standing or 
following the couples on the floor would rush and tap on the back of the 
male partner and begin to dance with his favorite female without wasting any 
time.  Tag dances were usually lengthy to allow male dancers to get a chance 
to dance with females of their choice.  If the demand for ‘Tag Dance’ was 
heavy, the duration of ‘tag’ was shortened to around half a minute; 
sometimes, one hardly was able to hold the hand of a partner and take a 
couple of steps when another guy would show up and tap on the back.


Females who didn’t want to dance with every Tom, Dick and Harry during a 
‘Tag Dance’ kept seated because once on the dancing floor, they could not 
refuse to dance with a male who tapped on their dancing partner, or say ‘I’m 
engaged’, for, if they refused, discussion would start between the two 
males, which sometimes resulted in heated arguments/quarrels followed by a 
fight.


As mentioned earlier, weddings were opportunities to meet and dance with 
known and unknown people.  I also explained in the previous chapter how boys 
used the method of scratching the palm of a girl to find out if she liked 
him or not.  Sometimes, males who regularly worked as laborers at a 
girl’s/woman’s place and who yearned to touch her, thought to themselves a 
wedding was the best chance to touch or hold her in his arms and to convey 
his feelings to her by scratching her hand, but what he didn’t realize was – 
was he worthy?  We know that two people of opposite sex meet and sometimes 
love just happens; one cannot impose it on his/her partner.  This is exactly 
what happened when an undesirable guy made advances towards a girl/woman, 
scratched her palm or held her tight in his arms and thought she belonged to 
him – the result?  She got furious and rejected him outright and walked away 
leaving him high and dry on the dancing floor, thus making him a piece of 
mockery in the eyes of the crowd.  Normally, men know in which water to fish 
and what bait to use but if they use the wrong technique at the wrong time 
and wrong place, they have themselves to be blamed.


There were also some courageous girls/women who played the famous ‘scratch 
the palm’ technique in order to attract and win boys and have them as toy 
boys, and many of them succeeded.  If anyone failed to understand the sign, 
it was his fault and he definitely lost a good chance.  Generally, men know 
how to treat women and they rarely fail to grab an opportunity when it comes 
to them.  Therefore, unlike women, men didn’t mind a female’s scratch on the 
palm even though they didn’t like it, and they never abandoned their 
partners on the floor in the middle of a dance because that would indeed be 
cruel on their part.  Women are delicate; like porcelain.  Therefore, it is 
essential that we handle them with utmost love, care and affection.


Going back to tag dance, sometimes some male partners pretended not to 
notice the ‘tap’ in which case the person wanting to dance would repeat the 
tap, this time with all his might which again resulted in arguments, 
quarrels and fights.  As a result, the tag dance would come to an abrupt 
end, and the second last dance would end up being the last dance of the 
wedding.  The hosts would approach the emcee and ask him to announce the 
last dance.  He would hurriedly get on the stage, catch hold of a megaphone 
(in the olden days there was no electricity; so, crooners and emcees used a 
megaphone to croon/announce), or a mike (after the 1970’s) and announce:  
“Ladies and gentlemen; pick up your partners for the last dance of the 
wedding.”


So, dear readers that was the reason why the “Tag Dance”, which once was 
very famous at a wedding reception, gradually came to an end!


Speaking of ‘Tag Dance’, I attended a dance at Sant Khursachea festak (Holy 
Cross feast) in Calafura or Santa Cruz in May 1968.  Guess whose band was in 
attendance!  It was Chris Perry with Lorna as a crooner who was just 21 
years old then!  The late 1960’s was the peak period of Lorna’s singing 
career.  The crowd was just thrilled with Chris Perry’s lively music and 
Lorna obviously stole the limelight.  Everyone was surprised and annoyed 
when the emcee announced a ‘Tag Dance’ at a private Nite, but he quickly 
added that it was to give a chance to everyone to dance with Lorna.  And 
with that announcement Lorna climbed down the stage and joined the floor.  
Chris Perry played six lengthy numbers, instead of the usual 3 pieces, which 
provided a chance to everyone, including myself, to dance with Lorna.


Nowadays, people do not have ‘Tag Dance’ at a wedding reception because it 
creates unnecessary problems.  Moreover, that strong relationship which 
existed among the relatives in the past has gradually diminished o

Re: [Goanet] Goans VS East indians of Bandra

[Cornel DaCosta]

Hi Edwin
Many thanks for your very sensible  and most welcome reply post to this 
endless and vacuous debate on Goans vs East Indians etc. I did wonder if 
those pressing hard on this issue had nothing better to do than promote a 
kind of unnecessary communalism as you so rightly say.

Ethnically, I too am proud to be a humble Indian in an increasingly 
globalised world.
Regards
Cornel DaCosta, London, UK.
- Original Message - 
From: "Fernandes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2006 5:19 AM
Subject: [Goanet] Goans VS East indians of Bandra


> Dear Goanetters,
>
> This mail is with reference to the spate of balderdash being posted by the
> apparently erudite and controversy loving Dr. Carmo D'Cruz on the 
> absolutely
> superfluous debate, Goans VS East Indians of Bandra.



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[Goanet] **DEAR AUNTY No. 29 - WEEKLY HUMOR :-))**

[Francis Rodrigues]

  **DEAR AUNTY No. 29 - WEEKLY TOP 12**
_

1. DEAR AUNTY,
"Karl's Ginza doing well in Vasco!!" But why is his kitchen so noisy??  Sopi
..
Dear Sopi:I guess he's making a big 'Karl din !!'   (caldin=soup !)*
_
2. DEAR AUNTY,
My boyfriend wants to take part in next year’s Carnival Parade wearing tin
items and a steel pot on his head! Which category is he eligible for?  Tina
..
Dear Tina:'Hundi-capped ?!' (hundi=cooking vessel)*
_
3. DEAR AUNTY,
What's the difference between a Goan bootlegger and a Goan undertaker?  Pedo
..
Dear Pedo:   Haha!   One bakes the toddy and the other takes the body !!
_
4. DEAR AUNTY,
Goans can't get By without their maids, they all call us "Bai" in Konkani !
Could you name some of the most famous maids in our Goan society?Nyarbai
.
Dear Nyarbai:   Door maid = Der bai;Sleep maid = Lala bai;
   Mother & daughter =  Mum.bai;   Club maid = Kudd bai;
  (thereby; lullaby; Mumbai; goodbye)*
_
5. DEAR AUNTY,
Why was the bhatt (priest) upset at my Bamon cock-tail party ?  Baccar D
..
Dear Baccar D:  Because his shendi fell in the shandy !
(shendi=hair-tail; shandy=rum-mix)*
_
6. DEAR AUNTY,
I big NASA.u dotor, but likes to be silly! I upsets peoples. Now I go my
Florida home. Give me daily morning prayer to see error of my ways.  Jose.
..
Dear Jose:  Sing the US anthem every morn! It starts "Jose can you see..?!"
   (Oh say=Jose!)*
_
7. DEAR AUNTY,
Many my Goan friends txt 'R.A.J.A' at lunchtimes - I don't understand!  Jaya
..
Dear Jaya:Hey, Annama, it's Konkani "Arreey jeiya !!"
 (come let's eat!)*
_
8. DEAR AUNTY,
Did you know Wendell Rodricks' middle name is Martin? "Knock-Knock" that!Pio
.
Dear Pio: "Knock! Knock!"..."Who's there?"...Martin Wendell !"….Martin
 Wendell who??"….  "Arree pishaMutton Vindaloo, just too hot for you!"
_
9. DEAR AUNTY,
Headlines"SSC students caught copying in school office".How they cheat? Fatu
..
Dear Fatu:   Haha !   'Fotoi-copier??'(Fotoi=cheat/lie)*
_
10. DEAR AUNTY,
I'm back - I'm the seminarian! Now I've fallen in love with a catechist, tho
she's very tiny. Who to choose, the sister or my new half-size love?   Sina.
..
Dear Sina:   Dude!! Remember the proverb "Half a love is better than nun !"
_
11. DEAR AUNTY,
What's the difference between Goan sweet sellers & marble-soda makers?  Pina
..
Dear Pina: One sells corm-bolas and the other sells bomb-colas !!
  (cormbolas=Xmas sweets; bomb-colas=old bomb sodas!)*
_
12. DEAR AUNTY,
Bush burns fingers in Senate elections,gives me massive headache! God, quick
send Moses to help Bush and me !! Headline it in 'Herald 1450 BC'!Mario.
...
Dear Mario:"Moses speaks to burning Bush - God gives two tablets  !!"
_
Disclaimer: all original material [EMAIL PROTECTED] *translations for
'tube-lights' & non-konkani readers worldwide. Forward with acknowledgement.

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[Goanet] Re Maddel or Caju ? Salcete or Bardez ?

[miguel12]

Dear Dr.Carmo,

Maddel or coconut feni is a hot favourite in Bardez also. It is a must for Para 
and Recheiado, specailly of bagddo[Mackeral] or pamplitt [Pomfret. If in 
Navelim-Salcet [there is also a Navelim in Bicholim!] you have a place called 
Maddel, we have one just outside Mapusa, towards Tivim.

The people's, specially the tourists [except the Germans], fascination is with 
cashenuts and caju feni. The G.I. was being processed for registering that. Mac 
Vaz, grandson of Pedro Vicente Vaz [PVV] dragged his feet...and the G.I. 
application will now be wrapped in Red Tape.  One has to strike the iron and 
temper the steel while it is hot! Now it is not.

It is not every day that one gets an IAS officer like Alban Couto[ now Advisor 
to the Government of Goa] K.P.Kipgen, Vinod Kumar Duggal [now Union Home 
Secretary],Shakti Sinha [now in World Bank], Vivek Rai [now in Delhi Admn.], 
Dev Singh Negi[now in Andamans] or J.K. Dadoo!

IMHO Feni, Maddel or cajel, tastes best with a little crushed ice and a dash of 
lime. Water , if ice is not available.

Viva Goa.

Miguel
Original Message ---
Hi Miguel,

I noted your tag-line with interest:

Viva Goa.Say it with feni.
MIGUEL BRAGANZA,  Mhapsa
Horticulturist/ Editor

BTW what kind did you exactly mean - Maddel or Caju ?

We Shastikars, who always drink in moderation (to our health of course !) 
prefer our neat Maddel  or with a little soda - The Caju smell lingers 
longer  and that makes many Bardezkars smell like bebdos !

Best Regards,

Dr. Carmo D'Cruz,
Shastikar, Proud Velkar,
Even More Proud to be a Goenkar !
Indian Harbour Beach, Florida


Message: 1
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 00:38:11 -0500
From: "Miguel Braganza" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Goanet] ex brittos in Australia
To: 
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
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From: "Frank Barreto"  wrote
Hello ,
i am looking for ex-brittos students of my batch
regards
Frank Barreto
  ..
  Dear Frank,

  The only Britto Boy who I know is Down Under is Mariano D'Souza from
Saligao from SSC of 1976. I do not know if there is anyone from the early
1980s, the BOBs you are looking for.

  We are having a Reunion of Britto Boys on 02 December, 2006 under the
auspices of the newly formed Britto's OBA and we are also publishing a
nostalgic book entitled BRITTO'S RETRO for release on that occasion. Details
at  [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] .Perhaps, one of
your classmates will know if there is another classmate in Australia.

  There are quite a few Xavierites in Australia. Some of them may be in Goa
for the BMX Reunion from 16 to 21 December, 2006. Check www.bmxgoa.com for
details.

  Regards,

  Miguel



Viva Goa.Say it with feni.
MIGUEL BRAGANZA,  Mhapsa
Horticulturist/ Editor


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[Goanet] GOACAN to observe Childrens Civic & Consumer Rights Week

[Goadesc]

--
Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your
family members, relatives, neighbours and friends.
Help others be BETTER INFORMED,
The time is come for the people of Goa
to ORGANISE not AGONISE !!

---
GOACAN to observe Childrens Civic & Consumer Rights Week
--

The Goa Civic and Consumer Action Network (GOACAN) will observe
Childrens Civic & Consumer Rights Week from 14th to 20th November 2006
with a  view to create awareness on the civic & consumer rights of children
at the Village, Taluka, District and State level.

During the week which will commence on Childrens Day and will end
on the United Nations Child Rights Day, GOACAN will network with the
village based Consumer Forums to promote awareness & provide information
on the Civic & Consumer Rights of children in the local area.

GOACAN will highlight the salient points of the Consumer Protection Act
1986  and the Goa Childrens Act 2003, the importance of the Village Child
Committees and the role of the community in promotion and protection of the
civic & consumer rights of children.

During the week GOACAN will also write to various High Schools
encouraging them to set up Consumer Welfare Clubs in their
educational institutions with a view to promote awareness among
children on their civic and consumer rights.

Consumer Forum volunteers will organise phone in's and visits to various
Departments and offices of other Govt. & Non-Govt.organizations to inquire
about various facilities available & procedures to be followed to achieve the
civic and consumer rights of children.

During the week consumer activists will also publicize the postal address,
telephone & fax numbers and email id of various authorities concerned with
the care & development of children such as Department for Women & Child
Development, Integrated Child Development Scheme (ICDS), Goa State
Commission for Children, Childrens Welfare Committee (CWC) and the
Education Department.

Children, Parents, Guardians and PTA members are requested to send
copies of their suggestions/complaints on the implementation of the civic
and consumer rights of children by post to GOACAN Post Box 187, Margao
Goa 403 601 or by email to <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> during this week.

---
GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK
---
promoting civic and consumer rights in Goa
--
GOACAN Post Box  187 Margao,  Goa 403 601
GOACAN Post Box  78   Mapusa, Goa 403 507
mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Goanet] Justice for Sportspersons

[Floriano]

Dear Agnelo,

I do what is in my capacity to do.

In my time I have met many a persons who vibe for Goa, but I must say that I 
do not recollect those faces. As I have said umpteen times, I shall not 
volunteer to roast myself of the hot tarred road as the earth-worm to save 
Goa. No siree! But I shall do everything that I am able to do in the 
capacity to do to save Goa after I have satisfactorily saved myself and my 
immediate family from disaster. That is why I have been saying, very loud 
and clear, that I shall even, if need be, work with the BJP (read NOT 
RSS-BJP) to defeat each and every candidate of the Congress Party in Goa.

Thank you Agnelo for having said what you have said.
They say "Oil can never be suppressed. It always floats on top to suffocate 
the rest. So it is with Suzanne, whom I am yet to meet face to face, though 
her brother was my class-mate in college.

floriano
goasuraj 

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Re: [Goanet] Aguiars Memories

[Gabe Menezes]

On 11/11/06, eric pinto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The Rev. Benny and his brother the Rev. Vernon are Kalina-Santa Cruz East
> Indians.  Benny is 80 now, but he keeps very active. A very urbane duo,
> they are also terribly nice human beings, and i treasure their acquaintance.
> Fr. Benny was the Examiner editor for what seemed like forever, and Catholic
> Bombay is not likely to see another cleric who quotes from Cicero, Thackeray
> and Chesterton in the same lead article.
>
> The Rev. Alfred Aguiar and Pro. Theofilus, Siolim folk, were brothers.
> Fr. Alfred used to spend summers at a Ukrainian church in New York and
> enjoyed a word game with them that involved finding the sanskrit roots of
> Ukrainian words.
>
> Prof. Theo's wife passed on last week in New York. She was 91. Prof.
> Yvette had taught french at St. Xaviers College after returning from
> University studies in Paris. One couldn't have met a nicer couple than them:
> they belonged to a different era, of genteelness that is not easily
> encountered today.   eric.
>


RESPONSE: Thank you for that correction; I wonder how one got the East
Indian connection ? I guess we are all the same at the end of the day
!
-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM.

Gabe Menezes.
London, England
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Re: [Goanet] Bleeding labour dry

[Carvalho]

Dear Vivian,

This is what I've noticed about casual labour in Goa.
It is much cheaper in Vasco than in the rest of Goa.
Give it a few more years, the wage rates will depress
for the rest of Goa as well. 

Despite this tight market in certain sectors, working
conditions are still far below acceptable levels.Take
for instance the construction and related industry.
About two years back, we decided to remodeled my
inlaws' house. We had painters, electricians and
general masons working. None of them had any
protective gear. The painters walked on ledges to
paint the outside walls, welding was done, tiles were
cut, paint was brushed on, not one employee saw a
protective mask to shield them from toxic fumes or
sparks. We can forget about these casual labourers
receiving any disability, God forbid if an accident
happened. I doubt there was any health insurance if
some industry-related illness was contracted.

I've also seen maids being treated very shabbily in
Goa, although doubtless they are probably better off
in Goan homes then in a lot of other unsuitable
environments. 

Don't even get me started on the IT sector (India's
foremost sector literally consumes the people that
work in it). That is a whole topic by itself :))

Take care,
selma
--

--- Vivian D'Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dunno about Selma's experiences.  Labor in Goa is
> now at a premium.  If you 
> want a day laborer, you better be able to pay the
> price they quote and all 
> the extras they demand.
> 




 

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