[Goanet-news] Goanet Reader: Revisiting our histories in Africa... from Henley-On-Thames

2007-06-18 Thread Goanet Reader
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REVISITING OUR HISTORIES IN AFRICA; FROM HENLEY-ON-THAMES
...so, you got us on the cheap!

By Mervyn Maciel
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  Text of a speech by Mervyn Maciel in response to a
  speech by Sir John Johnson (former British High
  Commissioner in Kenya. At the River  Rowing
  Museum, Henley-on-Thames, Oxford on 10.8.2002.

Sir John, Ma Bibi na Ma Bwana (Ladies and Gentlemen in
Swahili),

Just in case Swahili scholars among you are expecting me to
continue in this fashion, I'm afraid the answer is Siwezi
kuendelea Bwana (I'm unable to continue, Sir!)

Many months ago, Terence Gavaghan insisted that I keep this
date free, and attend as his and Nicole's guests unless, of
course, we had received a prior invitation from Buckingham
Palace. Since the latter hasn't materialised, Elsie and I are
delighted to join you all at this lovely setting today --
thanks to Terry.

  My thanks also to Peter Fullerton who first invited
  me to join this elitist club. As my cheque hasn't
  been returned with those words every District
  Cashier dreaded, refer to drawer, I assume I am a
  member now. Why we, former members of the
  Administration were excluded from membership for
  nearly 30 years is something I find difficult to
  understand. You obviously have your reasons, but
  with so few of us in the U.K., I can assure you,
  you wouldn't have been swamped, nor there any
  danger of a takeover bid.

I must thank Sir John for his generous remarks regarding the
Goan contribution in the Provincial Administration.

Unfortunately, our contribution in he Civil Service, more
particularly the Provincial Administration, although verbally
acknowledged in speeches by former Governors, senior
officials and even politicians, has only recently, save with
a few exceptions, merited a mention in some of the published works.

I make no apology for highlighting the Goan contribution,
especially since the majority of posts in the Provincial
Administration (particularly those of Cashier), were filled
almost exclusively by Goans.

Even job advertisements in those days asked for Goan staff,
much to the annoyance of the other Asian communities, as can
be seen from the comments made by that distinguished Queens
Counsel, J.S. Mangat. In telling how Goans, in particular,
dominated the Provincial Administration, he cites Sir Charles
Eliot, who, in an official report in 1901, had this to say:

  The District Officers were usually assisted by a
  Goan or more rarely, European clerk. In the Coast
  towns, there is also a Customs official, usually a
  Goan. Even the German officials envied the British
  Administration for their Goan staff who, they
  observed have enough experience to avoid incurring
  the distrust which so many of our members inspire.

Mangat further states that during the period 1920-21, the
role of the subordinate Asian employees

  In the Administration increased because of their
  competitiveness and lack of local candidates.. In
  1904 for example, almost all clerical posts in the
  Provincial Administration were filled by Goans.

To further emphasise this point, he quotes from the D.C.
Malindi's report thus:

  As one of the two Administrative Officers is more
  frequently on safari, the remaining one finds
  himself so busy that he must rely, to a very large
  extent on his clerks. It speaks well therefore the
  for reputation and standing of our staff, that
  after 14 years experience of district work in five
  Provinces, I have never known one's confidence in
  its members to be misplaced or have had any reason
  to regret the extent to which one trusted them.

Needless to say, Mangat adds, all the names mentioned by the
D.C. are Goan (Fernandes, Ferreira, Braganca and Menezes --
must have forgotten the D'Souzas!)

I wonder what Mangat's reaction was, when Jomo Kenyatta felt
the need to inject some Goan blood into his first cabinet, by
appointing as his right hand man, none other than Joseph
Zuzarte, son of a Goan District Clerk (Peter Zuzarte) and a
Masai mother. I understand Peter Zuzarte worked under Sir
Geoffrey Archer when the latter was a D.O. at Baringo around
1897. Conforming to the political correctness of the day,
Joseph Zuzarte chose to go as Joseph Murumbi -- serving in
Kenyatta's first 

[Goanet] Cabinet, Dy. Speaker BJP, NCP and SGF

2007-06-18 Thread Miguel Braganza
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Dears,

Some re-alignments are taking place in the non-BJP grouping, while Manohar 
Parrikar is waiting in the wings for the CM to sing and for him to pick the 
piece of cheese. As the days pass, this seems increasingly far fetched. 
Little John seems to have made a mouse out of the great Mickky. No one is 
willing to try an Easy door type of resignation-and-re-election in a hurry 
now. Besides, the Benaulim electorate may be 'doctored' with vitamin M while 
caste-ing the vote also. A fox was involved in the story of the sour grapes, 
was it not?

Mark Twain had rightly said, It is easier to find a woman who has NEVER 
sinned than to find a woman who has sinned JUST ONCE. Ditto for persons who 
have been CMs for too short a term to satisfy their heart's desires! 
Fortunately for us in Goa, two such candidates lost in the 02 June 
elections. If one suggests that Parrikar learns from 'vicarious' experience, 
one may be dubbed as communalizing the RSS stalwart.

Perhaps, Parrikar should read Fr. Maverick Fernandes' interview published in 
the NT Panorama today.

Mog asundi.

Miguel 



Re: [Goanet] Goanet News Bytes: A government school from Canacona... that offers a model

2007-06-18 Thread adele26
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Excellent work Frederick!
 Its wonderful to read the latest happenings in Goa written so concisely. 
Much appreciated

Caroline Pinto
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Re: [Goanet] CA Bhandare JC and FN.......

2007-06-18 Thread edward desilva
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Hi Bhandare,
So, you consider RSS and BJP as your Religion do you?
and therefore we should not critisise your RSS Religion?
Secondly why do you mix the two?
Indian LAW. has banned RSS as a political party that is why it was named as 
BJP to put a false front, you are right, to you they are both one and the 
same thing, but is it a Religion?
ED
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Bhandare said:
dear Frederick:
But you urself have criticised the RSS and BJP so many
times on this forum...seems like ur advice (like most
advice) is for others !
Why is it only reserved for me? because i criticise
your catholic Church?  because i have a hindu name?

Like Dr Helekar says, it is very educative to see
pople who otherwise pretend to be secular and liberal
and everything rush to defend their own beliefs when
their faith is threatened
C A Bhandare 



Re: [Goanet] Selmas hypocrisy Bhandare's new friend - Cecil

2007-06-18 Thread Carvalho
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--- C. A. Bhandare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear Cecil:
 
 You have been proved right! Selma has broken her own
 promise and written another inane post on some ism
 


My dear Bhandare,
It comes as no surprise that you have suddenly
established a rapport with Cecil Pinto. It is par for
the course that anyone on Goanet who has run in with
me, suddenly finds themselves in Cecil's arms. Infact,
Cecil is now running courses in Goa for all visiting
NRIs and local fellow-tinto members, (cafe members to
be charged more), on how to best insult Selma Cardoso
and recuperate from licking your own wounds. But be
careful with these Christao fellows, push comes to
shove, you might get kicked in your Today in Friday,
election day, BJP day underwear.
selma


   

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[Goanet] Catholics and RSS

2007-06-18 Thread Albert Desouza
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Dear Goanetters
We Roman Catholics can be given a state award for making big noise.We show 
to the world that we are   the descendants of Jesus Christ  and we are holy 
people and that we are the chosen people.The others are  rogues and 
rascals.Once a rich  person died in Saligao.Most of you know that in saligao 
there exist a cemetry and crematorium side by side.To get that crematorium 
the hindus had  to  fight  tooth and nail.While the procession was going 
towards the  cemetry to burry that  rich  person a body of a poor hindu 
cobler was on fire. When we reached near the crematorium many   holy ladies 
of Saligao were holding their kerchieves on their nose as if that body was 
stinking.My dear brothers and sisters,if you sing the hymn in the church 
Ami soglim ek how can you hold the kerchief on your nose? We  have 
terrible caste system.One particular caste has been isolated outside the 
peripheri of the village and treated as dirt.In what way are we superior? 
our parents are rotting in the homes.The hindus are much better than us.They 
look after not only their parents but uncles and aunties too .I have seen 
hindus living in a small huts and sometimes old cousins of theirs whom they 
call kaka or kaki are with them. The family can barely  eat two meals but 
they will feed those kakas and kakis too. Are these not the good points of 
the hindus that we should absorb into our system? Our critics on the net 
should  read these and forget about RSS and sang pariwar.Nobody wants to  
convert christian into hinduism  because they all know that one converted 
hindu will set fire to the entire  village.

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Re: [Goanet] Since we were talking about the RSS... a review

2007-06-18 Thread KAMALAKSH CHARI
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please go through this link Mr.FN
Ur doubts will be cleared about RSS
http://www.hvk.org/Publications/cihp/ap2.html


[Goanet] School Info required

2007-06-18 Thread suzanna valladaris
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I would like to know if there is any Cambridge boarding school in Goa for 
Boys or IGCSC school in GOA as I would be interested for my son.

Appreciate if you could help.

Regards,
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[Goanet] Re: VCD on GOA (by Goa Education Dept)

2007-06-18 Thread Aristo
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Hi JoeGoaUk,

If the the true intent of the VCD was to teach History of Goa to
school kids of ages that are highly susceptible to
suggestion/brainwashing (that is, the time of Catechism), then it
should not have been highly biased and selective as it was, even if
accurate.

It should have included the fact that Muslim RULERS under Adil Shah
suppressed the Hindu NATIVES, who then invited the Christian
PORTUGUESE to conquer Goa and drive away the Muslims, and joined the
Portuguese soldiers side-by-side whilst raping the Muslim women, which
was then followed by the back-biting of the Portuguese (the focus
should have been on Portuguese and not Christians) via the brutal
inquisition (satisfactorily portrayed in the VCD), and was THEN
followed by an era of peaceful co-existence among the three religions
(as slaves) under the Portuguese. (phew!)

None of the 3 religions involved had the high moral ground, even at
that time. Moreover, the cinematography was so dramatised to make the
Christians look as beasts and Hindu's as benign victims. Compare this
to any unbiased documentary that you have seen on the Discovery
Channel or NGC.

Here is a link to a brief yet comprehensive, although not academic,
unbiased account of the History of Goa prior to Liberation, which
the VCD's storyline should have followed.
http://www.indialine.com/travel/goa/history.html
And wiki's more elaborate account, which touches on the 1961
Liberation of Goa.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Goa

To digress, as you can see, Goa has a Historical, Geographical and
Genetic affiliation with the rest of India prior to the Portuguese,
but as Paulo Colaco Dias has validly argued, does not necessarily mean
that Goans at the time were willing to (or should have to) join the
Indian Union, after 400 years of brainwashing.

So in my opinion, although satisfactorily portraying certain events,
the VCD was biased, selective, singled out a particular community, and
was thus, communal. It was a mistake for Parrikar to placate and let
the communal voices of the party be heard, which he has now paid for
dearly.

Regards,
Aristo.

Also read: Dangerous Currents by Maria Aurora Couto on The Hindu dated
Jan 06, 2005
www.hindu.com/2005/01/06/stories/2005010604721000.htm


On Sun, 17 Jun 2007 JoeGoaUk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Subject: [Goanet] VCD on GOA (by Goa Education Dept)
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VCD on GOA (by Goa Education Dept)

This is what happened about 450 years ago
Hindus were forcibly converted into Christianity
(VCD shows even some priest involved physically forcing Hindus etc)

I also know most of the Goan churches are built by Portuguese by
demolishing temples/mosques
etc.

I also remember Cuncolim martyrs etc
My mom explained me at Raitura Church (Thre were some picture frames
on the wall about
Cumcolim Martyr killings etc)

We all know what happened in the past (may we learn it at school,
college, books, movies, parents, grandparents etc)

Just because it's a history now we simply cannot close the book just like that.
As we know it already, every youngster from this generation and the
coming generation has a right to know.

Abrahan Lincoln, Civil war, american slavery, Boston tea Party,
French Revolution, Maria Antoinette, Luis the X1X, World war I  II
etc  that's history too.
Jesus Christ birth (X'Mas), his life, suffering, Crucifixion, death,
resurrection etc that's history too.
Mohamed Akbar, mecca, Ram Krishna Laxman, Sita that's history too
Goa Adil Shah, Salazar, portuguese, fortes etc that's history too.
All these things should be available in the form of books and
audio-visual for present and future generation/references.

History is history
History is not story
History should be protected in it's original form.

This VCD is also history.

Let's discuss if there is any 'story' in it
Let's discuss if there is any 'cooked up' facts in it.
Let's discuss if there is any 'adulterated' material in it

...
...
...
...
It also reminds me of the controversial DVC movie.
It was OK in the form of books but the same was not OK in the form of
audio-visual?

This VCD was 'made and approved' by Education Dept.
This VCD was 'cleared' by the film censor board
This VCD in full was shown on Goa Television on Goa Liberation Day

You watch it here (just a part) and let's discuss.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz4KKfaiew8

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All religions lead to same destination


[Goanet] DEAREST GOANET: My new CD - “21:2 1” available for purchase worldwide!!

2007-06-18 Thread Neal Pinto
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Dear friends and fellow Goans,

I'm very happy to announce that my EP – 21:21 – is finally available
for purchase online thanks to my good friends at RCD Music in Toronto.

To order your copy from anywhere in the world, visit their online
store at http://www.rcdmusic.com/musicstore.php

This little creation of mine is the start of something very meaningful
to me.   It really feels like it's a release of more than just a CD
and I am proud to be able to share it with everyone.

When someone asks,  What do you sound like?  it's always a very
daunting question for a singer/songwriter to answer.

What I can say is that I am a huge fan of modern singer/songwriters
like Ben Harper and Duncan Sheik, as well as legendary artists like
Bob Marley and Peter Gabriel.  I enjoy many bands from Radiohead to
The Roots, from The Pixies to Porcupine Tree.  I'm sure that they've
all contributed to my sound, even in subtle ways, from song to song.

If you would like to preview a couple of tracks and hear for yourself,
please visit my spot on MySpace at http://www.myspace.com/pintomusic

During the recording of 21:21, I had been working hard performing as
a solo singer/songwriter in Winnipeg and in Toronto.  I have a few
important shows planned this summer including my CD Release(d) Party
with my full band.  I will announce these shows as soon as possible as
well as reporting progress on many things including my upcoming
full-length record.  In the meantime, you can peruse more information
online at http://www.pintomusic.com

Thank you very much for reading!

- Neal Pinto


[Goanet] MAIM TI MAIM - Tiatr Trailer

2007-06-18 Thread JoeGoaUk
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MAIM TI MAIM - Tiatr Trailer

If I was allowed to capture some fine moments like this I would be very happy 
to bring out
their best in the form a Tiatr Trailer as this.

How this one was taken see comments within the clip page.

Those tiatr lovers who are unable to watch tiatr,  at least could have chance 
to watch its
trailer.
And offcourse, it would be a free publicity to the tiatr producers too.

Any takers ?

This one in from MAIM TI MAIN a tiatr by Tony Dias with 14 child actors.
The tiatr running housefull everywhere. 8th show in Margao on 22nd June and 4th 
show in Panjim
24th June besides Mapusa etc.
http://thisisgoa.com/view/455bed7586439ef2537c 


May be one day such trailers would be produced professionally and be able to 
watch on
cable/dish TV. 

Start of the new Goa News24 channel on Satelite TV is being delayed by say 
another month or
two due to some court cases/dispute  etc

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[Goanet] Page on Wikipedia...

2007-06-18 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
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[Goanet] A hypocrisy test for Roland Francis

2007-06-18 Thread Sunith D Velho
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Roland,

Do you consider yourself a hypocrite since you worked many years and 
made money in a Muslim theocracy(Dubai) but now live in a secular 
democracy(Canada).

I definitely don't see any hypocrisy in that, but do let me know what 
your views regarding theocracy and democracy are. Do not weasel your 
way out of this simple point blank question.

Especially since you claim I am a hypocrite because my grandfather(whom 
I never met and you know precious little about) was a great businessman 
under Portuguese rule, just like many in my family are as good 
businessmen under Goan(Indian) rule.

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[Goanet] Monsoon Preparations by Domnic Fernandes

2007-06-18 Thread Michael Ali
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Dear Listers,

Domnic Fernandes' three-part article on Monsoon Preparations and Provision 
is not only extremely timely but also brings back memories of the Goa of 
old. The highly informative article, has now, become a hallmark for all 
articles by Domnic guaranteeing the reader, especially the younger 
generation of Goan or anyone interested in Goa of an insight to the times 
when Goa was a place of tranquility, bliss and cooperation rarely known in 
this day and time.

This particular series of articles set me thinking of the amount of 
preparations which had to me made for the season which most of us take for 
granted today, although I'm sure that in some areas of Goa renovation of the 
roof still has to be done to prevent rainwater from seeping into the house. 
However, the storing of provisions has been left in the past for the 
majority of Goans.

From the articles one can picture the Goa of old as a place demanding hard 
work on the part of the  individual as most of the work had to be undertaken 
by the community itself thereby making the community (village) not only 
self-sufficient but also creating a bond of everlasting friendship and 
fellowship which this sort of cooperation brings.

Unfortunately, with the onset of modernity and the nuclear family this 
spirit of bonding has fallen by the way side. This is sad and unfortunate.

I remember, in my youth, the ladies of the community would gather at each 
others houses to lending a helping had to accomplish a task or help a 
neighbour out. This was evident especially at Christmas time for the making 
of traditional Goan sweets.
Alas, not so todaywhen most of the sweets are purchased from non-Goan 
bakers.

Domnic, after your very successful book, we, the ardent followers of your 
writings look forward to Volume Two !!!

Michael Ali
Karachi, Pakistan 



Re: [Goanet] No list yet

2007-06-18 Thread Sunith D Velho
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It is quite amazing how the all knowing paediatrician Jose Colaco, is 
suddenly reduced to the mental age of his patients when asked a 
SPECIFIC question and has to seek refuge in some rather lame humour.

Now, some of his small coterie will write a series posts lauding each 
other as men of exceptional maturity and intelligence, in spite of the 
fact that they are unable to compile a simple list.

What part of CONSTITUTIONAL rights does Jose pretend not understand?

Sunith Velho

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Jose writes:

 f: I can jot down several rights that Goans now REALLY enjoy.

 1. The right NOT to have their name  removed from the electoral 
 register by a person who allegedly forges the signature of another.

... and more meaningless drivel.



Re: [Goanet] Election Results

2007-06-18 Thread Jeevan
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Dear Miguel,
Why talk about hypothetical situations. The reality is Kamat ditched the 
same BJP which made him no. 2 in the party at the crucial juncture when his 
party needed him the most. He is no different than Alemao's, Naik et al. who 
have ditched and flip flopped for the lust of power and money. I wonder it 
was anything to do with VCD. As for Congress he had done the same thing to 
them before, dumping  and joining  BJP to foster his political ambitions. 
Anyway, you may call it political acumen and reality of Goan politics.  I 
wish he turns out to be a good CM for Goa, and provide a progressive govt as 
you too have predicted.
Hope he helps preserve our ecology, environment and  at the same time 
provide impetus to economy, industry, sports and revolutionize education. 
Improve and make our roads safe, and provide good law and order. At least 
these are the minimum I believe we could expect from a good CM.

Parrikar, one of the few persons of honesty, integrity and character in Goan 
politics,  has nothing to prove to anyone. He and Sripad, have taken the BJP 
from 0% to 38% and beyond, by providing a viable, potential and progressive 
option to the people of Goa. Wish people of Goa could have a vision to see 
beyond Saffron.
Mog vadundi
Jeevan



If the BJP had made him
the CM in 2002, he might still have been the CM and the BJP in power.
Neither Digamber nor the BJP thought of that in 2002...drunk as they were
with Parrikar's predictions of a bright saffron tomorrow.

Mog asundi.

Miguel



[Goanet] Polical Situation in Goa.

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Dear Netizen,

Guess You all guys have brought to power another bunch of croonies.
Unfortunately, the bunchies, didn't find favour with Mr. Absolute, his 
surname Majority.
But Guess What? They managed to pull alittle here and there and form a house 
built on Sand.
A Storm hitting the coast, will bring down the house on Sand.

We gotta pray fervantly for Goa. Goa is going thru... the worsed phase in 
all these decades.
If we people do not change, than Goa will be bombared with God' wrath.

What really hurts me, is the Pulpit, where God's word is to be proclaimed, 
is being used,
as a Mass Meeting to favour an up-coming politician.

This have alot of food for thought.

Religious Leaders are being roped in perception, without knowing.
They are hand in glove with corruption.
They will sell JESUS for for a few Gandhi notes.

Still waiting to see a person, which the charcters of Jesus.
what i'm on earth for?

Thanks 



[Goanet] Murky waters of Secularism

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When Jawaharlal Nehru died his body was cremated as
per Hindu rites, on the banks of the Yamuna river.
This was in accordance with his wishes. He was an
avowed atheist but whatever his intellect had
rationalised away, his emotions could not divest him
of his cultural identity. He was a Hindu. He was also
a statesman and a secularist, the likes of which India
will rarely see again.

Being a secularist has very little to do with
religious tolerance or intolerance. Saddam Hussein,
best known for his persecution of Shi'a Muslims and
gassing of Kurds, was infact a staunch secularist and
Iraq was a secular country amidst a sea of Muslim
theocracies. Ironically, the US which purports to be a
robust secular nation has much of its law from
euthanasia, marriage, abortion, homosexuality to stem
cell research influenced by Judeo-christian theology.

Secularism is the separation of state and Church. It
is loosely construed as to mean religious freedom and
hence, while no religion is to be discriminated
against, neither is any religion to be given
preferential treatment.

Given India's pluralism, defending one's religious and
cultural identity has taken on an intensity of its
own. People's religious, caste and cultural identities
have been regularly used to discriminate against from
schools, jobs, marriage to housing and at times as in
the case of Gujarat, led to genocidal pogroms. In
India, one's identity has literally come to mean life
or death. Is it any wonder then, that we all become
overheated when religion is mentioned?

Being a secularist doesn't make one tolerant or
intolerant of religion. Secularism is not the domain
of only atheists and agnostics. Being a secularist
doesn't make one blind to the ridiculousness of
religion, in the name of religious tolerance.

The world is faced with may decisions at the moment.
Do we encourage pluralistic societies or do we march
towards a homogenised society? Do we become secular or
do we allow morality based on religious code to guide
public decisions? Do we become tolerant of everything
that religion espouses or do we become discerning
individual basing our public decisions on humanistic
morality.

The answers to these questions, I believe, lie in
constant examination of our own conscience. My own
personal code of ethics demands that I respect all
human beings precisely because they are human.

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[Goanet] Gomantak restaurants... in Mumbai (Time Out)

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Hungry tide

In the 15th century Goan cuisine fell victim to a hijacking by
Portuguese pirates. Fortunately, it tastes superb. But what remains of
the good ship Gomantak? asks Rita D'Souza.

When Portuguese explorers arrived in Goa in the sixteenth century they
weren't out to broaden their horizons – they had come on a mission to
wrest control of the near-priceless spice trade from the Arabs and win
souls for Christendom. But with them they also brought a cornucopia of
culinary treasures harvested from previous adventures: chillies,
tomatoes, potatoes, pumpkins, guavas, pineapples, chikoos and cashews;
not to mention Iberian garlic sausages, or chouriço, and garrafãos of
vinegar, wines and olive oil from . You need only look at your local
vegetable market or bakery to see the impact these imports had on
Indian food, but the effect of the Portuguese arrival on Goan cuisine
was dramatic.

As Portuguese influence took hold, so did their diet, edging out the
region's traditional Saraswat dishes from the Konkan region. What we
now call Goan food is a mix of influences that would be nearly
unrecognisable to a fifteenth century Goan. The ubiquitous vindaloo is
a corruption of vinho d'alho, a garlicky Portuguese wine-vinegar
marinade. Chouriço, those chubby links of lethally spiced pork, are a
Goan version of the Iberian sausage. Sorpatel is from in sarabulho,
a Portuguese stew of pork and organ meat.

But the Portuguese also introduced influences gathered from their
journeys to South East Asia, Africa and South America: prawn balchão
from and galinha (chicken) cafreal from . Saraswat touches added to
the mix as a new cuisine evolved – haldi (tumeric), jeera (cumin),
cinnamon and cloves found their way into meat assados (roasts),
coconut and semolina showed up in bolos (cakes), and the taste for
strong spices led to increased quantities of vinegar and chillis that
would have been intolerable to the colonisers' palates.

Most Goan restaurant menus may lead you to believe otherwise, but
Saraswat cuisine did survive as Gomantak cooking (after the ancient
name for Goa ). Goa's hidden cuisine generally consists of
thick-grained, nutty, reddish parboiled rice eaten with fish or
shellfish that has been curried or fried. It's accompanied by mildly
spiced seasonal vegetables, all flavoured with dark palm jaggery and
tamarind, with lashings of coconut in every form thrown in for good
measure. Mud vessels and wood fires gave the food its characteristic
rustic, smoky aroma, which is best captured in a steaming bowl of
canjee (rice gruel) with a wicked piece of mango pickle.

Gomantak delicacies are still there to be found: try sol kadi, mutton
shagoti, fried bombil, ambot tik and teesrya sukhem. Try khatkhatem, a
mélange of vegetables, roots and tubers in a subtly spiced coconut
gravy similar to the South Indian avial; or sansav, an unusual
preparation of the pulp of sucking mangoes tempered with green chilli
and mustard seed and blended with coconut and jaggery. Then there's
uddadmethi, an intense curry made of a coarsely-ground blend of
roasted uddad dal, methi (fenugreek) seeds, rice grains, coconut and
spices; or ambotik, the hot and sour fish curry that tastes best with
baby shark. Some things are harder to find, though. You're unlikely to
get the chance to try a kalputi – a fish head curry – outside a Goan
home.

Nowadays, though, it feels like a second wave of culinary colonisers
is beginning to shunt even Portuguese Goan dishes aside in favour of
Chinese, pizzas and tandoori dishes. Just witness the fate of  that
erstwhile queen of Goan savouries, the apa de camarão – a rice flour
and coconut cake filled with spicy prawns – now condemned to a life
sentence as a recipe in a chapter on classic Goan cookery of the past.



Gomantak restaurants:

Viva Paschim City Mansion , First Floor, above Cafe City , Worli Naka
(2498-3636 / 2493-7059).

Highway Gomantak 44/2179 Gandhi Nagar, behind Apna Bazaar, highway
facing Bandra (E) (2640-9692).

Saayba Shop No 1  2, Zarina Co-op Society,
SV Road
, opposite Masjid, Bandra (W) (2643-6620/5628-0764).

Sushegad Gomantak Shop No A11, Shiv Sagar Society,
LJ Road
, opposite Paradise Theatre, Mahim (2444-).

Saibini Gomantak Katrada Mansion ,
Gokhale Road
, near Shiv Sena Bhavan, Dadar (W) (2432-8065/2438-5429).


[Goanet] Andheri Bakery ... Pao was first commercially sold here (in Mumbai) by Goan bakers more than 200 years ago

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Andheri Bakery

The humble pao has found no greater love than in Mumbai. Pao was first
commercially sold here by Goan bakers more than 200 years ago. In the
early twentieth century, the city's Iranian bakeries took over the
tradition, employing Goan workers to ensure pao's continuity.
Nowadays, there is no dearth of that slightly sweet, chewy bread whose
complex history is buried in its name – after all, pao is the
Portuguese word for bread. But as delicious and addictive as it may
be, it has a maddening generic, quality and, as flour has gotten more
expensive, an ever-so-subtle, artificial taste. For those looking for
something different, head to Andheri Bakery, which continues to make
pao as it should be.

Located off the lane leading to the Andheri (W) Jama Masjid, this
unassuming bakery makes what might very well be the city's best pao.
Cooked fresh three or four times daily, 365 days a year, the pao (Rs 1
apiece) has a slight hint of crust, is firmer than the usual pao and
softer than brun. The deep, natural flavour is extraordinary – quite
similar, in fact, to a French baguette. This should not be a surprise.
Like its more glamorous counterparts in the sixième, the only
ingredients are flour, salt, water and yeast. Unlike others, Andheri
Bakery does not add any chemicals or use machinery to knead the dough.
Chemicals and kneading machines produce gas that artificially expands
the pao, so that less flour is needed, the owner says. If you don't
believe him, conduct the following test: compress an Andheri Bakery
pao and a regular pao. The regular pao will stay flat, whereas this
one will return to its original shape.

Andheri Bakery also prides itself on using a wood-fired oven, despite
the growing trend in almost all of the city's bakeries towards diesel
and electric. The wood stove has a noticeable effect: during the
cooking process, the wood smoke gets trapped in the space above the
bread, slowly cooking it from the top. The longer cooking time this
stove requires (45 minutes instead of 15 minutes for diesel stoves)
has its benefits – a slightly smoky flavour, a perfectly firm brown
crust, and, because of the reduced pollution, happier neighbours.

Despite having a wood-fired stove of a quality an Italian pizza chef
could only dream of, the owners of this 50-year-old, Iranian
family-owned bakery have no plans to make anything else. And why
should they? These days, keeping it natural is an innovation in
itself, as proven by the bakery's loyal customers, many of whom alight
at Andheri Station on their way to destinations further north
especially for this pao. They seem to know that this pao's steamy
presence in the crook of an arm can make even the gruelling
Churchgate-Virar trip elicit dreams of a picnic in a park. Jon Anjaria

Off Jama Masjid Lane, near Andheri Station, Andheri (W). Daily 7am-9pm.


Re: [Goanet] VCD on GOA (by Goa Education Dept)

2007-06-18 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
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Please read my earlier view of this at: http://bigotedcd.notlong.com
Then go to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz4KKfaiew8
And see if you agree ... FN
PS: Don't go by the script alone (which was 'scrutinised' by the
'expert committee' but also please take a look at the visualisation).


[Goanet] Fred Noronha on BC

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FN,

Did you go to jail for writing crap?

BC



 Besides the point and coming back to the topic of
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[Goanet] BICHOLIM

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BICHOLIM JUNE 17: The chief minister, Digambar Kamat appreciating the 
congress workers for the success of the party assured that the loosing 
congress candidate from Bicholim will be treated at par with that of an MLA 
of the constituency.

The chief minister was speaking at the get together of the congress workers 
held at the Shirodkar building Bicholim on Friday. It may be recalled that 
the congress candidate from Bicholim, Naresh Sawal was defeated in the 
recently held assembly elections against the MLA, Rajesh Patnekar.

Sawal will be treated equal to that of an MLA and all the pending works in 
Bicholim will be complited Kamat explained adding the workers will not be 
given a chance to complain during my tenure.

Kamat also took the issue of the congress workers and gave them equal 
importance The congress workers will not be neglected and will be given due 
importance as it is because of them that we can build our party Kamat 
explained.

We will strictly follow the agenda of the party and see to it that most of 
the developmental work is carried out as per the plans he told asking the 
congress supporters to continue their work as before.

The speaker of the assembly, Pratapsingh Rane in his speech congrtulated the 
workers for the success of the party We got active workers and this is not 
their success but the success of the workers Rane stressed.

Rane also assured that he will do the assigned duty as a speaker in the 
right way, I have done selfless work and will continue to do the same even 
as a speaker.




[Goanet] MAHENDRA VED: Need a break? Find yo ur ‘susegad’ in lovely Goa

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MAHENDRA VED: MAHENDRA VED: Need a break? Find your 'susegad' in lovely Goa
By MAHENDRA VED

18 June, 2007

TO anyone who asks which is the best place to visit in India, without
hesitation, I recommend Goa. I told a professor-couple from the United
States who came for a sabbatical last year: You are lucky to be
living in one of the best parts of India.

My own visits have been very few, but I yearn to be there. Goa is like
a battery charger. If you are in a hurry, wanting to keep appointments
travelling at break-neck speed, if you are hungering to make money,
stay away from Goa. But if you have done all that, or are in the midst
of it and want to take break, go-Goa.

The buzzword is susegad. You ask what it means and you'll find that it
means different things to different locals.

It is not the name of a place or a person. It is about a way of life,
easy and laid back. It could mean any or all of these: Chilling by the
beach or taking it easy; a siesta after a sumptuous Goan meal, under a
palm tree, letting the time pass.

If you cannot handle time and do not know how to kill it with
relaxation, then you have a problem on hand.

One learns here the value and true meaning of a siesta: Shutters down
from 1pm to 4pm every day. The shopkeeper might even shut you in if
you don't leave early enough.

Goa is one place where streets are lined with fruits and flowers — and
nobody greedily plucks them. Nature has given Goa all — lovely red
earth, two rivers that add to its scenic beauty, hilly terrain, plains
and the sea beach.

Little wonder it is a tourist haven. Goa may not have world-class
restaurants, but ask for international food and you could get it for a
song. Fancy French, Japanese or even Myanmar food? You will find it at
a nondescript shack at one of Goa's beaches.

Goa attracts both the backpack crowd and the sophisticated tourist.
Seventy-five per cent of total direct charter traffic goes to Goa. But
the things that this crowd looks for — high-end hotels, clean beaches
and well-maintained architecture — are, alas, fast disappearing.

Goa has always been the favourite hangout of the rich and famous. Some
have beachside mansions to spend their vacations in. It is only now
that Mumbai millionaires are finding cosier places closer to home, at
less exotic, but nevertheless scenic, Alibagh, Malvan and Sindhudurg.
But Goa remains the ultimate.

But many not-so-wealthy Indians, too, have made it their home, because
of the liberal ethos. The communications revolution has made this
easier. It allows you to live the way you want, without being despised
as an outsider, without security hassles and moral police breathing
down your neck.

Goa does not make films, but is a lovely filming location. Indeed, one
does not need location scouting there. The International Film Festival
of India has shifted to Goa after years of bureaucrat-run existence
and moving from one contending film city to another. I hope it remains
there, so that I can visit it.

Fashion houses of Tarun Tahiliani and Malini Ramani, ousted from their
New Delhi studios that were demolished for being illegally built, have
moved to Goa.

Life is beautiful, residents of Goa will tell visitors, both Indians
and foreigners.

Goa's ability to be cosmopolitan without losing its small town charm
attracts visitors by the hordes. It mixes luxuries of life with the
peace of a remote village. Goa is the lung, a retreat, a getaway,
physical and spiritual for many a city-dweller, and, an escape into
anonymity if there is a secret to hide.

For the people of Mumbai and much of India, Goa allows luxury without
guilt, without attracting beggars' arms and neighbours' envy.

It meets my concept of a composite Indian culture. It retains its
Eastern roots and Western flavour. Not many places in the world, I
suspect, have been able to do that. This is despite a 20-fold increase
in its population since it was liberated from its Portuguese
colonisers.

Goa is a reply to revivalism. After 4½-centuries of Christian rule
that did have its proselytisation, Goa has remained a majority Hindu
place, with less than 40 per cent of its people either Christians or
Muslims.

Many of my teachers were Goans. My family doctor during my childhood
was a Goan; a big man with a Hitler-style moustache. We sent him
sweets on Deepavali each year and on Christmas, his daughter would
bring home-made plum cakes. That was my first, untaught, lesson in

[Goanet] Your Views

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Hi Cecil,

Was following your posting. My opinion is totally different.
I'm Follower of Christ. I don't believe in Christianity as a religion but 
one's faith.

Christianity is the only faith, which has something concrete in it.
U might disagreee on that. But its a faith where one can exercise it.

Leave alone the Catholic community. The Priest who are supposed to be
advocate and ambassdor to the kingdom of God are mere advocate to the
legislative assembly in Porvorim.

Considerable, i fail to understand what is Catholism all about?

It is a set of document, which are printed in the holy book and not to 
follow

or

is it just an fable? 



[Goanet] Non Goan Chief Minister?

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Hi Ivo,
Are you saying he was not born in Goa?
I only hope now he does a good job of it.
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From: ivo faleiro Subject: [Goanet] Is Mr. Diagabara a Goan?

Pls check if the new CM of Goa is from Goa or Karnataka.

I salute Mr. Kamat for being the first non-Goan CM.


[Goanet] -Bush is back with BLACK: First Konkani E-Cinema to be released in Kuwait

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T-Bush is back with BLACK
  - by gasper crasto

Kuwait: Winner of 3 International Awards for his Short Film 'The Letter', 
Goa born writer-director T-Bush is back with a full length, mega feature 
film entitled 'BLACK'.
The film by 'T-Bush International Films' shot entirely in Kuwait is set for 
a grand release on August 10, 2007 at Al Masrah, Hawally Auditorium.
The Letter
T-Bush's first directorial debut 'The Letter', a moving story of a father 
who desires to recreate a lost relationship with his estranged daughter was 
awarded 'Best Film' at the International Short Film Festival at London in 
2005. The short film has all the appearances of being shot in the United 
States. But the truth is that the entire movie was shot at locales in 
Kuwait. T-Bush used a troupe of eager volunteers from the American Embassy 
in Kuwait to ensure his film had an authentic cast of characters and he 
included numerous dashes of Americana in the sets to complete the impression 
of the film being shot in US. The editing process, however, was so superior 
and advanced that it altogether altered scenes that didn't have an American 
feel.
'The Letter' also won T-Bush Best Technical Award and Best Director from 
among hundreds of directors of International fame and repute. T-Bush came 
into immediate recognition through this film and there was no turning back 
for the gifted director.
BLACK - Nhesop Atanchem Fashion
The new film written, directed and produced by T-Bush under his production 
banner 'T-Bush International Films' will be in Konkani language and will 
include a select Indian cast from Kuwait. The entire film is shot in Kuwait 
but the audience is sure to have a surprise when they see it.

The young genius who is passionate about film making with his adept and 
innovative ideas is optimistic about 'BLACK' being an 'extraordinary movie'. 
He says, The whole story has a simple plot. But for all the briskness of 
the plot, quite a lot happens. He further adds that, It's a colossal 
effort creating a full-fledged movie considering the ups in a working 
country like Kuwait with schedules of shoot crammed up only at weekends and 
at select locations approved by Kuwait government at limited scenic sites.
The film will be screened on a wide screen with high quality 'E-Cinema 
Technology' projection. It is sure to be an entertaining film and certain to 
capture hearts of all communities. The most essential element that will make 
the film an even more rewarding experience will be the audio-visual effect 
synchronized into a 5.1 DTS sound.
T-Bush says he has no immediate intentions of converting the movie into home 
videos which he feels will degrade the originality and standard of the 
movie.

Synopsis

The movie revolves around a musician who is involved in trivial assignments 
of traditional music. Culture and music means everything to the self-born 
maestro who just cannot give up on his passion for music. His effort to 
persuade the young genre to keep the art living in the face of fading 
tradition runs to an emotional zenith as the movie unfolds.

Vision

There are countless regional language films that are released every year not 
to mention mega blockbusters in Hindi that hit the international market. But 
when it comes to Konkani language, it is a rarity. According to T-Bush, 
Konkani film producers are more accustomed in making low budget, 
sub-standard home videos rather than endeavoring in films of international 
quality.

It should be noted that the first Konkani film, 'Mogacho Aunddo' on silver 
screen released on 24th April 1957 still stands among one of the most 
unmatched, classic Indian films made in history.

The exceptional director further adds, The joy of working in films is 
great, but I always yearn for excellence. I wish to make my projects in a 
new way and with new ideas. Numerous movies of different languages are 
released every year with different writers, directors and casts. But the 
only common thread to a captivating movie is the director's genius. Each 
story must stand alone and be engrossing and engaging by themselves. Each 
must be as successful, clever and unique as the others.

Over the years, the young director has contributed incredible 
behind-the-scenes support to many stage shows and dramas with his 
audio-visuals and directional inputs.

Right from his childhood days T-Bush has been living with a dream, and that 
is to contribute in the attempt of giving regional language films their 
rightful place on the map of cinema world. His 

Re: [Goanet] Fred Noronha on BC

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[Goanet] Tiatr Sounsar Somplo Porian to be staged at Ahmedabad

2007-06-18 Thread Joy Figueiredo
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TIATR! TIATR!! TIATR!!

The Sounsar Somplo Porian Troupe, Dominic  Luis
Production, a comedy family drama will be staged at
Town Hall, Ashram Road, Ellis Bridge, Ahmedabad on
Sunday, July 8, 2007.

The Tiatr is in aid of the The SFX Goans Home, the
Goan's Kudd established in 1936 and presently requires
renovation. 

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[Goanet] Goanet Reader: Revisiting our histories in Africa... from Henley-On-Thames

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REVISITING OUR HISTORIES IN AFRICA; FROM HENLEY-ON-THAMES
...so, you got us on the cheap!

By Mervyn Maciel
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  Text of a speech by Mervyn Maciel in response to a
  speech by Sir John Johnson (former British High
  Commissioner in Kenya. At the River  Rowing
  Museum, Henley-on-Thames, Oxford on 10.8.2002.

Sir John, Ma Bibi na Ma Bwana (Ladies and Gentlemen in
Swahili),

Just in case Swahili scholars among you are expecting me to
continue in this fashion, I'm afraid the answer is Siwezi
kuendelea Bwana (I'm unable to continue, Sir!)

Many months ago, Terence Gavaghan insisted that I keep this
date free, and attend as his and Nicole's guests unless, of
course, we had received a prior invitation from Buckingham
Palace. Since the latter hasn't materialised, Elsie and I are
delighted to join you all at this lovely setting today --
thanks to Terry.

  My thanks also to Peter Fullerton who first invited
  me to join this elitist club. As my cheque hasn't
  been returned with those words every District
  Cashier dreaded, refer to drawer, I assume I am a
  member now. Why we, former members of the
  Administration were excluded from membership for
  nearly 30 years is something I find difficult to
  understand. You obviously have your reasons, but
  with so few of us in the U.K., I can assure you,
  you wouldn't have been swamped, nor there any
  danger of a takeover bid.

I must thank Sir John for his generous remarks regarding the
Goan contribution in the Provincial Administration.

Unfortunately, our contribution in he Civil Service, more
particularly the Provincial Administration, although verbally
acknowledged in speeches by former Governors, senior
officials and even politicians, has only recently, save with
a few exceptions, merited a mention in some of the published works.

I make no apology for highlighting the Goan contribution,
especially since the majority of posts in the Provincial
Administration (particularly those of Cashier), were filled
almost exclusively by Goans.

Even job advertisements in those days asked for Goan staff,
much to the annoyance of the other Asian communities, as can
be seen from the comments made by that distinguished Queens
Counsel, J.S. Mangat. In telling how Goans, in particular,
dominated the Provincial Administration, he cites Sir Charles
Eliot, who, in an official report in 1901, had this to say:

  The District Officers were usually assisted by a
  Goan or more rarely, European clerk. In the Coast
  towns, there is also a Customs official, usually a
  Goan. Even the German officials envied the British
  Administration for their Goan staff who, they
  observed have enough experience to avoid incurring
  the distrust which so many of our members inspire.

Mangat further states that during the period 1920-21, the
role of the subordinate Asian employees

  In the Administration increased because of their
  competitiveness and lack of local candidates.. In
  1904 for example, almost all clerical posts in the
  Provincial Administration were filled by Goans.

To further emphasise this point, he quotes from the D.C.
Malindi's report thus:

  As one of the two Administrative Officers is more
  frequently on safari, the remaining one finds
  himself so busy that he must rely, to a very large
  extent on his clerks. It speaks well therefore the
  for reputation and standing of our staff, that
  after 14 years experience of district work in five
  Provinces, I have never known one's confidence in
  its members to be misplaced or have had any reason
  to regret the extent to which one trusted them.

Needless to say, Mangat adds, all the names mentioned by the
D.C. are Goan (Fernandes, Ferreira, Braganca and Menezes --
must have forgotten the D'Souzas!)

I wonder what Mangat's reaction was, when Jomo Kenyatta felt
the need to inject some Goan blood into his first cabinet, by
appointing as his right hand man, none other than Joseph
Zuzarte, son of a Goan District Clerk (Peter Zuzarte) and a
Masai mother. I understand Peter Zuzarte worked under Sir
Geoffrey Archer when the latter was a D.O. at Baringo around
1897. Conforming to the political correctness of the day,
Joseph Zuzarte chose to go as Joseph Murumbi -- serving in
Kenyatta's first 

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2007-06-18 Thread Goanet News
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  Muller's Hospital Kankanady, endeared himself to everyone
  through his pleasant and cheerful ways. (Fulgencio
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Re: [Goanet] No list yet.. Roland Francis

2007-06-18 Thread Sunith D Velho
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Roland Francis writes:

 I note your hypocrisy at every step.

And I notice your inability to refute a single fact raised in my posts 
without resorting to inane generalities.

 You decry organized religion when your education has been the product
of it (unless you went to a 'Patshala').

Really! Maybe you should stick to what you know. I went to Sharada 
Mandir and later People's High School and Dhempes.

I then went to PCCE, but horror of horrors the Pilar priests had L.K. 
Advani innaugurate the college. So does that qualify as 'Patshala' 
enough for you?


 You decry Portuguese colonial rule when your ancestors have been the
 receivers of it's munificence. Don't for a moment think that anyone
 with half a mind has fallen for your spin i.e. they made it on their
 own blah blah blah.

Please answer the hypocrisy tests I posed to you.

 No one is asking you to praise Portuguese rule. We all have own own
 opinion about it. But to say that you have rights now that you didn't
 have before is a bit much.

Provide the list I asked Paulo for and I will shut up. You  can start 
with the RIGHT TO VOTE. If you can't make a simple list then I'll add 
you to my list of ignorants.

What is a 'bit much' your complete inability to put forward your case 
with a single fact.

 I'd like to know what those rights are when
 you have to face Monserrate's goons in Panjim if you choose to cross
 him. That wouldn't have occurred in Portuguese Goa.

You  are right, in the good old days the oppression was state 
sponsored. Also, is it your contention that organised crime is a 
uniquely post-liberation Goan phenomenon?

 You show that you have it in for colonialism, but in fact you chose to
 go for whatever reason and for however long, in the mothercountry of
 colonialism.

I'll be spending the rest of the year in Amsterdam and Ireland, so know 
should I be a supporter of liberal drug use and the IRA.

Next year I hope to be working in a project for the Tunisian 
government, will I have to then convert to Islam?


 You have shown a lack of respect. Your posts ooze of arrogance and
 brashness either caused due to an absence of a Goan upbringing, or
 because even that didn't help you.

Actually most of my posts are irrefutable facts, commonly mistaken for 
arrogance by anyone who cannot dispute them.

You have a golden opportunity to make my brash-arrogant-lack of Goan 
upbring self shut up, just make a simple list of constitutional rights. 
You will have my utmost respect then.

Until then you have the delete button.

 And last but not least, you throw in the old men phrase once too
 often when you are at the losing end of an argument. You could be an
 ageist or you could be leading yourself to believe you will be 25 
 whatever, forever.

And last but not least, it was Selma and Paulo who brought up the age issue.

So,most respectful sage of golden wisdom and knowledge lets have that 
list now, shall we. Please don't shatter my dreams by shutting up.

It really is a simple task for someone who has the ' maturity of
thinking and expression of a Paulo Colaco Dias' that I allegedly dream of.

Sunith
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[Goanet] Transformed Goanet

2007-06-18 Thread Santosh Helekar
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Goanet has become too complicated. No longer are there
simple linear threads. It is now a tangled web. No
more the clear delineation of bipolar thinking.
Opinions and prejudices are now more nuanced, perhaps,
even disguised. We see a new kind of bigotry, in some
ways more direct, in others more sophisticated. The
present posters have more complex agendas, not easily
discernible to the unaided eye. Even the impostors are
hard to figure out. I sense that we are witnessing a
sudden expansion and transformation of Goanet.

Cheers,

Santosh


Re: [Goanet] Jose struggling with a simple list

2007-06-18 Thread Sunith D Velho
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JC writes:
 re 1b: What part of the following (re-attached) list did Sunith Velho
 find humourous? Would he care to tell us WHY?

Actually I found your list lame, not humorous. Another case of Jose not 
being able to read a full sentence.

I'll take the trouble to reply to the points in JC's lame-list if he 
admits he does not know what the words Constitutional Rights signify, 
till then I guess I'll have to keep reading his peculiar brand of 
kingdergarten humour.

The continued absence of a simple list of Constitutional Rights I had 
requested is baffling, especially since a few posters have been 
continuously lauding themsleves as people of exceptional maturity and 
intelligence.

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Re: [Goanet] Knighthood for Salman Rushdie..

2007-06-18 Thread Sunith D Velho
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In a move that will be greatly appreciated by most liberated(err.. 
liberal) minds, but will further confuse Uncle Roland , Salman Rushdie 
is to be awarded knighthood.

Now I have to ask, how can it be that this man who has viciously 
attacked British Imperialism while settled in Britain and Islam inspite 
of being born Muslim, is now being offered knighthood.

Who are the hypocrites in this travesty? Salman Rushdie or the British 
Government. Is the answer perhaps there is no hypocrisy involved in 
such a stance, unless seen through the eyes of the narrow minded or ill 
informed. Not that I am comparing Roland's rather harmless hysterics to 
those we are witnessing from religious fanatics in Pakistan and Iran.

So hats-off once again to the former firebrand who was never afraid to 
tell it like it is(was), though he openly conceeded that he was spared 
the worst of the indignities inflicted on his brothers.

Sunith Velho
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Re: [Goanet] Jose struggles but raises one Right

2007-06-18 Thread Sunith D Velho
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 re 2: Having had the good fortune of having to study a number of
 Constitutions (including two which affect the area Sunith presently
 resides in) - I'd like to know Which particular Constitutional Right
 Sunith Velho pretends JC does not understand. He does not mean 'The
 Right to self determination' - does he?

So make a list of all fundamental consitutional rights Jose, what are 
you afraid of.

Lets examine the right to self determination then shall we.

Today Goa is ruled by 40 MLA's every single one of them Goan. Please 
provide the statistics pre-liberation of Goan legislators.

The Goan government has full autonomy when deciding on matters 
contained in the 'State List' of the Indian consitution. Please provide 
us the equivalent list that existed pre-liberation.

Goans now have the right to vote. Please ocnfirm if this right existed 
pre-liberation.

 Interesting that Sunith Velho believes that Roland Francis 'Joy of
 being a Canadian views are best placed on a Canadian forum where
 they would be more relevant, and not on Goanet which was developed by
 an American and is being mainly coordinated interalia by a Canadian
 and an American.

Well JC has more or less proved his inability to read long sentences. 
What I said Jose was, if Roland had truly achieved closure then he 
would be posting that particualr posts on a Canadian forum. Especially 
since it is filled with some vague generalities on the joys of living 
in Canada.

 Bravo Sunith ..You are the 'besht'!

And here is JC's peculiar brand of KG humour again. Exceptional 
intelligence and maturity, I admit.

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[Goanet] Margao Quiz: (With answers pics)

2007-06-18 Thread JoeGoaUk
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Margao Quiz: (With answers  pics)

For Ans  Pics please visit ..

http://joegoauk.blogspot.com/

Pl click on any pic and it will give you an inatant larger view.

Any problem let me know:

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[Goanet] RSS and Edward De Silvas wrong information

2007-06-18 Thread C. A. Bhandare
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Dear Edward:

Its political wing was called the jan sangh which was
later called the BJP RSS has a student wing called
ABVP and a labor union called BMS

The RSS was banned three times (1948, 1975,1992)by the
congress government of india and all the three times
the Supreme court reversed the ban for lack of
evidence

You had accused me of writing posts without thinking a
while back, seems you have caught that bug too!

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[Goanet] Goa news for June 19, 2007

2007-06-18 Thread Goanet News Service
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Goa News from Yahoo! News and Goanet.org

Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.


*** A Goa Sunset (About.com)

A Goa Sunset

http://goasia.about.com/od/indiaphotography/ig/Goa--India/goa-sunset-ArghyaKusumRoy.htm


*** Goa's Arambol Beach (About.com)

Goa's Arambol Beach

http://goasia.about.com/od/indiaphotography/ig/Goa--India/goa-Arambolbeach-hagitM.htm


*** Goa, Rajasthan Hot Destinations for Weddings in India
(Ohmynews)

One such glamour couple to solemnize their wedding in Goa in
April was Nirvana Chaudhary and Swasti Mittal. Nirvana is the
son of business tycoon Binod Chaudhary and the heir to a
multimillion-dollar business empire...

http://www.ohmynews.com/function/rss_ArticleView.asp?lng=engat_code=416831


*** Goa pays tributes to martyrs on State Revolution Day (New
Kerala)

Panaji, June 18: Goa Governor S C Jamir and Chief Minister
Digamber Kamat today led the state in paying glorious tributes
to freedom fighters and martyrs who laid down their lives for
the liberation of Goa from Portuguese colonial rule, on the
occasion of the State Revolution Day.

http://www.newkerala.com/news5.php?action=fullnewsid=39997


*** Heavy rains to occur western, southern coastal states (New
Kerala)

Pune, June 18: Heavy to very heavy rains are likely to occur at
most places in Konkan, Goa, coastal Karnataka and Kerala.

http://www.newkerala.com/news5.php?action=fullnewsid=40199


*** Governor, CM remember freedom fighters on Goa Revolution
Day (Navhind Times)

Panaji, June 17 The Governor, Mr S C Jamir and the Chief
Minister, Mr Digambar V Kamat have remembered the sacrifices of
martyrs and freedom fighters for the cause of Goas freedom on
the occasion of Goa Revolution Day to be observed on June 18.

http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=061814


*** Prof Deobagkar is new Vice-Chancellor of Goa University
(Navhind Times)

Panaji, June 17 The senior professor of zoology at the Pune
University, Prof Dileep Deobagkar has been appointed as the new
Vice-Chancellor of Goa University. Prof Deobagkar will take
charge from June 20.

http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=061813


*** Rain-hit Pernem families to be compensated (Navhind Times)

Panaji, June 18 The North Goa collector, Mr Nikhil Kumar today
said that compensation would be paid to the families affected by
cyclonic winds, which lashed Pernem taluka for two days.

http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=061936


*** Goa cabinet expansion likely next week (Outlook India)

Cabinet expansion is appearing to be a tedious task for the
Digamber Kamat-led government in Goa, as the Chief Minister will
have to satisfy all its alliance partners.

http://www.outlookindia.com/pti_news.asp?id=481402


*** Deobagkar appointed Goa University V-C (Indian Express via
Yahoo! India News)

PROF Dileep Deobagkar of the University of Pune has been
appointed as Vice-Chancellor of Goa University. He will take
over from V-C PS Zacharias on June 20. Deobagkar is a Shivaji
University alumni and has done his PhD in molecular biology from
Indian Institute of Science, Bangalore. He joined the UoP in
1985 and is director, Institute of Bioinformatics 
Biotechnology. He has taught subjects in ...

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Re: [Goanet] VCD on GOA (by Goa Education Dept)

2007-06-18 Thread C. A. Bhandare
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Thanks JoeGoaUK for the link I had heard about the VCD
a lot but never seen it.

My personal opinion is that the film was a bit crude
when depicting historical events and not completely
unbiased like Aristo mentioned

It should have shed light on the facts that hindus
invited the portuguese to deliver them from the
muslims and how a section of local hindus collaborated
with the enemy.

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[Goanet] Goans in San Francisco

2007-06-18 Thread Herman Carneiro
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Hi folks,

A request from Domingos DeSouza in the Boston area. Please drop him a line
if you have any information at domingos.desouza at comcast.net

Many thanks,

--
Herman



*

Hi Herman!
I am sorry we missed the Goan Picnic due to prior engagement.
I would appreciate if you could give me e-mail address of Goan association
in Sanfrancisco.
My son is looking for accommodation near Stanford University . If any one
could recommend
any suitable economic one bedroom or sharing accommodation near Stanford
or at a distance but
not far from  public transport, I would very much appreciate. Regards
Domingos


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[Goanet] Try to catch ...

2007-06-18 Thread Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या
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Someone wrote to me today: Try to catch JOEGOAUK.  Everyone wants to
see him. No one knows him and no one has said on Goa-net that they
have met him. All are after him for his picture!

Well, I'm not well placed to carry out this job. Have never claimed to
be an investigative journalist. So can we raise a fund to afford a
reward on JoeGoaUK's head? I mean, just for a photograph of it?

The last time round I tried something on this front, I ran into
trouble. JoeGoaUK didn't take too kindly to the fact that I called him
the Scarlet Pimpernel of Goanet!

Anyway, the above needs to be taken in a lighter vein. I'm sure we all
(or 99% of us) appreciate the useful job JoeGoaUK does in providing
inputs (text, photo, video) from Goa... Thanks Joe, visible or
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Re: [Goanet] Andheri Bakery ... Pao was first commercially sold here (in Mumbai) by Goan bakers more than 200 years ago

2007-06-18 Thread Gabriel de Figueiredo
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--- Goanet News [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Andheri Bakery
 
 The humble pao has found no greater love than in
 Mumbai. Pao was first
 commercially sold here by Goan bakers more than 200
 years ago. 

Weren't the Portuguese there in Bombaim before Goans
came along? Surely pão would have been baked by the
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[Goanet] Editorial on Dave, Gabe and the wedding babe

2007-06-18 Thread pdesouza
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This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone 
wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by 
Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim  internationally
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I have no quarrel on Dave's observation that some wedding practices of Goa's 
Roman Catholic community have Vedic/Hindu origins. Such morphing makes Goa a 
model of cultural diversity and as Dave experienced, it helped bring out in 
him, the brotherhood of man. In Goa, Dave and Agnelo can happily co-exist. And 
we are all richer because Dave can be Dave and Agnelo can be himself.

Gabe's sharing on the behavior of the girl in the BBC documentary made me 
wonder if she was being forced to go through the motions of Ross/Roce for the 
cameras or if she really understood the significance of her acts. Such behavior 
is tpical when rituals get practiced, devoid of meaning.

Over the weekend, we had a diverse mix of folk over at our place - people of 
goan origin, some from other parts of India and some American. The entree' that 
most of our friends appreciated was Goa's 'shrimp caldin'. The unbranded caldin 
masala came from Mapusa bazar (I forget the Shop No.) and was purchased for Rs. 
30/- only. The typewritten recipe instructions were strictly followed. I could 
not help but imagine the untapped potential of goan cuisine around the world 
and the latent treasure that lie in recipes that are hidden in goan households 
as family secrets.



Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-news] Goanet Reader: Revisiting our histories in Africa...from Henley-On-Thames

2007-06-18 Thread AF
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Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 
'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era.
This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone 
wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by 
Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim  internationally
by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Bah, Humbug!!. My late father worked, as you have so eloquently described in
you article about Goan working for the Britsh Administration, in Kenya. But,
yet to this day, I have not been able to get a pension payment from the
government of the day, on behalf of my mother. Who do I contact? anthony
fernandes.



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 Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with,
 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era.
 This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone
 wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by
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 by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact
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 REVISITING OUR HISTORIES IN AFRICA; FROM HENLEY-ON-THAMES
 ...so, you got us on the cheap!

 By Mervyn Maciel
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   Text of a speech by Mervyn Maciel in response to a
   speech by Sir John Johnson (former British High
   Commissioner in Kenya. At the River  Rowing
   Museum, Henley-on-Thames, Oxford on 10.8.2002.

 Sir John, Ma Bibi na Ma Bwana (Ladies and Gentlemen in
 Swahili),

 Just in case Swahili scholars among you are expecting me to
 continue in this fashion, I'm afraid the answer is Siwezi
 kuendelea Bwana (I'm unable to continue, Sir!)

 Many months ago, Terence Gavaghan insisted that I keep this
 date free, and attend as his and Nicole's guests unless, of
 course, we had received a prior invitation from Buckingham
 Palace. Since the latter hasn't materialised, Elsie and I are
 delighted to join you all at this lovely setting today --
 thanks to Terry.

   My thanks also to Peter Fullerton who first invited
   me to join this elitist club. As my cheque hasn't
   been returned with those words every District
   Cashier dreaded, refer to drawer, I assume I am a
   member now. Why we, former members of the
   Administration were excluded from membership for
   nearly 30 years is something I find difficult to
   understand. You obviously have your reasons, but
   with so few of us in the U.K., I can assure you,
   you wouldn't have been swamped, nor there any
   danger of a takeover bid.

 I must thank Sir John for his generous remarks regarding the
 Goan contribution in the Provincial Administration.

 Unfortunately, our contribution in he Civil Service, more
 particularly the Provincial Administration, although verbally
 acknowledged in speeches by former Governors, senior
 officials and even politicians, has only recently, save with
 a few exceptions, merited a mention in some of the published works.

 I make no apology for highlighting the Goan contribution,
 especially since the majority of posts in the Provincial
 Administration (particularly those of Cashier), were filled
 almost exclusively by Goans.

 Even job advertisements in those days asked for Goan staff,
 much to the annoyance of the other Asian communities, as can
 be seen from the comments made by that distinguished Queens
 Counsel, J.S. Mangat. In telling how Goans, in particular,
 dominated the Provincial Administration, he cites Sir Charles
 Eliot, who, in an official report in 1901, had this to say:

   The District Officers were usually assisted by a
   Goan or more rarely, European clerk. In the Coast
   towns, there is also a Customs official, usually a
   Goan. Even the German officials envied the British
   Administration for their Goan staff who, they
   observed have enough experience to avoid incurring
   the distrust which so many of our members inspire.

 Mangat further states that during the period 1920-21, the
 role of the subordinate Asian employees

   In the Administration increased because of their
   competitiveness and lack of local candidates.. In
   1904 for example, almost all clerical posts in the
   Provincial Administration were filled by Goans.

 To further emphasise this point, he quotes from the D.C.
 Malindi's report thus:

   As one of the two Administrative Officers is more
   frequently on safari, the remaining one finds