[Goanet] Banco Nacional Ultramar - Fontainhas - San Tome
[Goanet] Banco Nacional Ultramar - Fontainhas - San Tome I do remember reading about SAO TOME chapel That it had a resident chaplain Originally it was at the ferry (opp. Mermaid Garden) and that it was shifted here. I think I read it in the newspaper Perhaps, written by Maria de Lourdes Brava da Costa Rodrigues Sao tome http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk6/4092947737/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches2/4318402516/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=sao+tome+joegoauk St. Sebastiao - fontaihas http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukchurches2/4284766787/sizes/l/ A well nearby http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk23/4284736157/sizes/l/ Mala/Bhatulem road http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk20/3937120052/sizes/l/ SBI /Rear - former Banco Nacional Ultramarin Next to Hotel Mandovi http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk21/3811962151/sizes/l/ Sao Tome, I was right watch this clip/brief history in the comment http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXi7lsiknls joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Re. Municipalities of Canancona, Sanguem etc - One feedback received
One feedback received Re. Municipalities of Canancona, Sanguem etc http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/message/13752 or http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2010-September/199260.html reproduced with permission Hi, The name of the municipal buildings in portuguese is : CÂMARA MUNICIPAL. Curchurem/Sanvordem was not a municipality during the portuguese time so any municipal building must be (as the one in your picture) recent. In SANGUEM there was no CÂMARA MUNICIPAL but a EDIFICIO DE REPARTIÇÕES PUBLICAS (like the one in Vasco), meaning that, in that building were working many public departments. That building is not only the part that you photographed but includes all the 3 entries. It is probably from the end of the last decade of 19th century. In 1944 it was the Municipality, the Fazenda and a Library. The CÂMARA MUNICIPAL DE PONDA. It was built between 1885 and 1896 and was probably the headquarters of Administração das Matas and the house of it's director. The CÂMARA MUNICIPAL DE QUEPEM. It was built between 1881 and 1896 (in 1880 all the public services were working in the military facilities). Next to it from the same date is the FAZENDA. It is possible that this was also the old court house (TRIBUNAL). In CHAUDI, CANACONA i think the building, that in end of 1950's was the CAMARA MUNICIPAL, was in 1998 the OFFICE OF ADEI. By a report i found dated from 1944, the CAMARA MUNICIPAL at that time was working in a building that looked like a private house and, in fact, was also the house of the administrator of the municipality. The building in your picture looks to me like a transformed school. I think that the Câmara Municipal de Canacona didn't had, in portuguese time, a specific building. Also from that report i know that in 1944 there were 2 buildings in Pernem with municipal offices. One was an old building from the municipal administration and there was the CÂMARA MUNICIPAL built around 1944 and all expenses paid by the Vassudeva Atmarama Porobo Desporobo,Viscount of Pernem (son). I'm an portuguese architect doing a PhD on the goan Public works Department. Best regards Alice Santiago Faria == Alice S Faria available on goaheritage yahoo group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goaheritage/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] ‘Sting operations be used ethically i n church’
http://www.cathnewsindia.com/2010/09/22/sting-operations-be-used-ethically-in-church/ ‘Sting operations be used ethically in church’ Published Date: September 22, 2010 A Dominican priest, who researched investigative journalism in India, says sting operations can be ethically used, even within the Church. A “sting operation of a low intensity” may be applied to the Church “as a last resort” for the common good, says Father Francis Arackal, who was awarded a doctorate for his work in Rome’s Gregorian and St. Thomas universities. The 49-year-old priest recently published his research-based book, The Indian Media - How Credible. It deals with investigative reporting in India in relation to the Indian Express, which he said pioneered investigative reporting in the country. He said his studies have proven that investigative journalism, including sting operations, helps “bring out hidden truth.” It corrects wrong popular presumptions, and works as a corrective social force, he said. During his research, he studied the trend of using impostors, hidden cameras and new technology in the media’s investigation of issues. Truthful reporting of corruption adds to the credibility of the publication, he said. However, the priest is against using hidden cameras and other technology in investigating the Church because “Church people are basically a moral force” and they “are open.” Besides, there are “so many other ways to know the truth” in the Church, he said. In the Church, “maybe we can use people to know the truth without bribing them,” he said. The priest said his book, published early September, is the second such book on investigative journalism published in the 230-year-old history of the press in India. Source: ucanews.com: http://www.ucanews.com/2010/09/22/indian-priest-supports-ethical-sting-operations/ Thanks to ZestMedia.
Re: [Goanet] 1 USD will only buy you 0.98 Swiss centimes!
Gabe, The Aussie Dollar too has been rising; and is now at .958 to the Us Dollar. The reasons are different as always. Nascimento. --- On Fri, 24/9/10, Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com wrote: The Swiss Franc and Japanese Yen have appreciated a lot vs the USD - is it time for Cad to also go below parity? DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
[Goanet] Slumdog Games
To Goanet - http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3150831/9-days-to-sort-Commonwealth-Games-mess.html I think Goa should bid on the next big shindig and call it Ghati Games. After all, the only people in Goa right now who have gotten a lifestyle upgrade are the ghatis. r
[Goanet] THE COMMONWEALTH GAMES IN NEW DELHI INDIA.
Goanetters, The New York Times has photographs which speak a thousand words. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/25/world/asia/25india.html?_r=1src=tppagewanted=all RubyGoes
[Goanet] Commonwealth Games
After reading a clarion call given by one Goanet member to see other side of the coin on above subject, I realized that I had forgotten that the present CWG is organized by our India, our Indian Congress party and our Congress politicians combine. When this is the fact, how can I, being an Indian citizen, talk and or project anything else other then good of even worst things. In this positive direction, I must now say that our ruling congress party has done commendable job in organizing CWG with common wealth of all Indians without even worrying about prevailing poverty standards of Indians. This full show has cost India just meager 35,000 Crores of rupees. CWG in India equals total transparency with absolutely 'zero' corruption. 'No one will be spared for any corruption charges (if proved) after CWG is over' is a strong message conveyed by UPA president through Prime Minister of India. For sure, for the first time in history, India has done something unique which no other third world country can do. This commendable, spick span work of India must be admired by all participants of CWG and by entire world. On these count, entire world leaders must recommend Indian organizers names for a Nobel Prize for showcasing unbelievable and indescribable! Best regards, U. G. Barad
Re: [Goanet] Banco Nacional Ultramar - Fontainhas - San Tome
Dear all, Thank you very much for those who wrote in both privately and publically and JoeGoaUK for the photographs. I was under the mistaken impression that the State bank opposite the Secretariat was the Banco Nacional. What a wonderful and varied history we Goans have and possibly one of the most interesting and colourful in the Indian subcontinent. If anyone has interesting anecdotes of their life in Panjim to share between the years 1940-1955, I'd love to hear them. Also if anyone knows how and why Fontainhas developed as it did, it would be interesting to know. Was it perhaps to house the administrative staff in Panjim, who would then go back to the ancestral properties in the villages over the weekend? I spent three years of my life in Panjim at the Altinho and because I had friends in Fontainhas, I spent a considerable amount of time there. It was just like living in Europe and I loved every minute of it. Take care, selma
[Goanet] (Tide turning in Delhi ahead of Games) Delhi 2010 Commonwealth Games News
Goanetters, It's all fixed up! Sortof. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/09/25/3021786.htm?site=commonwealthgames/2010 RubyGoes
Re: [Goanet] God Sandwiches (Was: God does not exist!)
Jaggery in Konkani is gord and not god. g should be small. Please stop making fun of the Almighty God. albert Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:19:45 -0700 From: chimbel...@yahoo.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] God Sandwiches (Was: God does not exist!) --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Nascy Caldeira wrote: Either he is 'ignorant' or he is deliberately poking Fun at 'God' that is sacred to millions around the world. Even learned man can be ignorant of some things; is it not? That is all I meant to convey, OK? He is a very malicious man in this regard. Citizens of the world beware of the poster, the un-agnostic man in disguise. The crackpot piece of writing above is incredibly funny and ironic. Here is a man who blatantly abuses Hindus and Indians because of their beliefs and practices in almost every incoherent prattle he posts on Goanet and elsewhere. And he has the gall now to attack me with his broken English just because I spelled the Konknni word for jaggery in accordance with how I pronounce it in my Konknni dialect. The fact that the Konknni word for jaggery is also spelled exactly in the manner that I spelled it, i.e. god is clear from the following link: http://indianfood.about.com/od/glossaryofterms/g/gud.htm The pertinent quote is: Also Known As: Gaur, Gul, God, Gur, Bella, Bellam I have now seen at least 3 men on Goanet who are inciting hatred against me among Goanetters who hold their particular religious beliefs and speak their particular dialect on Konknni, using this god spelling canard as a pretext Who do they think they are? Guardians of a theocracy that has banned all other dialects and spellings of Konknni words, except theirs? Cheers, Santosh --- On Fri, 9/24/10, Nascy Caldeira wrote: Dear Alfred T. The scientist poster, called Santosh is ignorant of 'godd' for jaggery, spelled as such when the Konkani word is written in Roman Script. Either he is 'ignorant' or he is deliberately poking Fun at 'God' that is sacred to millions around the world. Even learned man can be ignorant of some things; is it not? That is all I meant to convey, OK? He is a very malicious man in this regard. Citizens of the world beware of the poster, the un-agnostic man in disguise. Nascimento Caldeira --- On Fri, 24/9/10, Alfred de Tavares wrote: Nasci: i am pretty much flumoxed by nascimentation of scientists as learned. Does that imply that there are unlearned of the species? In my time I have met many a MAD scientistbut not one that is an ignoramus.I wonder Perhaps our genious from Chimbel will, kindly, deflumox me; at least, mercifully, refrain from flumoxing further..dare I so hope? AlfredChaCha...quite an illiterate one of them! Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2010 02:28:58 -0700 From: nascy...@yahoo.com.au To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] God Sandwiches (Was: God does not exist!) Santosh, As a 'learned' scientist, you should have known that the 'godd' for jaggery in Konkani is spelled with a double 'd' at the end. Perhaps you were deliberately mocking 'God' or you are not 'learned' enough! It's your choice, to come clean and save your credibility. Nascimento Caldeira
[Goanet] Even if God does not exist, what is the harm in believing God exists?
I do not know whether God (as perceived by many or otherwise) exists or not. I do not believe in miracles which defy science, which is so far evolved (hypothesized and proven). I strongly believe that the Universe is self-regulating and self-controlling mechanism due to its infinite size, infinite objects, infinite distances and infinite inter-object forces. An object like our Sun or Arcturus (1K times bigger than the Sun) or Antares (1 million times bigger than the Sun), however large it may be individually, cannot disturb the entire universe. If there is imbalance at some stage, one collapses taking with him few hundread others till balance is re-established. Infinity ensures that the balance shall be established. However, I abide by the teachings which are considered as told by the God, because they help the humanity to be restraintful (whether out of god-fear or otherwise). I therefore believe in God even though God, as perceived by many, may not exist. If it is scientifically proved some day that God does not exist, I will consider the infinity (self-regulating universe) as the God and continue to abide by the teachings referred above. On the other hand: what if God does exist and you have been denying the existence all along? Rajendra
[Goanet] Breaking News 19 Valpoi By-Elections
Just one vernacular 'Marathi' newspaper the 'NAVPRABHA' has brought out this breaking news. It is well understood the wide blanket put on this news item in the other newspapers. Vishvesh Parab of Valpoi , son of Ashok Parab has filed his nomination form for the 19-Valpoi by-elections to be held on 18 October, 2010 as an Independent Candidate. This is to counter his father's nomination filed as a dummy for Vishwajeet Rane. Vishvesh Parab has declared that his father has been made to file the nomination , sort of by force, to gain acceptability for Vishwajeet Rane within the masses. Vishvesh Parab has further declared that he is not going to withdraw his nomination at any cost, and will go through the exercise confidently as the masses at large are supporting his move one hundred per cent and since they know the wheelings and dealings of Vishwajeet Rane vis a vis the mis-management mess that he has created and the sycophancy created. It must be remembered that Goa Su-Raj Party wanted to field Sebastian (Seby) Rodrigues [the Goa Naxalite] and he had readily agreed. Talks were being held with the groups supporting him on the anti-mining agenda. However, the early poll declaration has left him and the supporting groups with no other alternative but to abandon the exercise since the elections are called very early and leaves no time for cobble-stitching much support. November end was OK as according to them. Hence, the Goa Su-Raj Party is adopting Vishvesh Parab as its candidate and announces to the world of Valpoi that they should vote for him and no body else. Hopefully, Vishvesh will keep his promise and not withdraw at any cost and when elected, he should not compromise on his anti-Vishwajeet - anti-Congress - Anti-BJP stand . On this premise, the Goa Su-Raj Party supports Vishvesh to the hilt and wishes him God-speed and God-support to undo the devil who is VISHWAJEET RANE and the major devil which is the CONGRESS PARTY. The Goa Su-Raj Party also respects Vishvesh Parabs uttering's that he is not supported by any political party and that he is on his own as an independent. However, Goa Su-Raj Party wants to go on record to say that it has NOT established any contact with Vishvesh Parab and is not likely to do so in the near future. But in appreciation of his elegant move, the Party is extending it's full support to him and exhorts all anti-mining groups, Seby Rodrigues of goasuraj included to work for Vishvesh Parab's election from the 19-Valpoi constituency, if they feel that he is as genuine as he has himself made out to be. VOTE FOR VISHVESH PARAB - DOWN WITH VISHWAJEET RANE AND THE CONGRESS PARTY OF CHEATS AND LOOTERS. Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org It is not ENOUGH that GOOD, HONEST citizens contest elections. It is not ENOUGH that GOOD, HONEST citizen voters elect good, honest representatives. GOA urgently needs 'GOOD, HONEST, DISCIPLINED SYSTEM of GOVERNANCE'. Wherein, even a dishonest person is forced to be good, honest n disciplined, or to QUIT. Only through PPS can such 'good, honest n disciplined system of governance' be identified and accepted. PPS GOA =PEOPLE for POLITICAL SANITY = PEOPLE'S POWER SYSTEM for a date in 2012 Display the 'PPS' sticker on your vehicle today, to reject political madness tomorrow. http://www.goasu-raj.org/gen/articles/70.asp http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/254068/1043608998/name/roadmap_goa-su-raj_party.pdf http://groups.yahoo.com/group/gulf-goans/attachments/folder/132590897/item/64224316/view
[Goanet] The despicable lie of Special status
Of all the lies our politicians have told us the lie of Special Status has to be the most despicable. Why do they lie to the people through the teeth? If these politicians truly intended to save Goan land from outsiders there is absolutely no need to wait for special status, which they fully know will never come, because we Goans are not the type to take AK47s and roam the streets. To protect the land, there are plenty of things they can do without Special status. a) Impose a 50-75% tax on any non-resident Goan buying property in Goa. This will affect NRI Goans but a caveat can be added to protect us. b) Increase the years for transfer of ownership. Right now I think if it is sold in less than 3 years it is hit with tax. Three years in nothing. This measly time-spam is causing speculative buying from outside of Goa. Increase it to 10 years. That way, we build a housing market for Goans, not non-Goans buying holiday houses. c) Let the government offer long term 30 year housing loans at rock-bottom interest rates to resident Goans. This will ensure more middle-class Goans can afford houses and land plots. d) Pass legislation to protect the aesthetic identity of Gan villages. Stop all mega-projects in Goan villages as these irreversibly destroy the social and aesthetic fabric of the Goan village. The idea of stopping mega-projects for building violations or that they cater to the elite will not work. These are short-term protests which any builder can argue against. The defacement of the Goan village is a crime against humanity. The only way to preserve something so unique as the Goan village is to make a case for it being an effective model of administrative and social governance, which doesn't exist elsewhere in India and for it to be preserved rather than destroyed. If you examine the model of the Goan village, it is very European in nature. It is a square, at the centre of this square lies the Church and surrounding it is the post-office, a small school, a few shops, a pharmacy and maybe a health-clinic. Life then spans out from this centre. It's a carefully planned model of a self-sustaining living habitat that is so rich in its social interactions that I can honestly say it doesn't exist in most parts of the world. All of these are not novel ideas. They have been carried out effectively in all parts of the world but most stringently in the UK where land and especially heritage and agricultural land is premium. These MLA of ours travel abroad at tax-payers money all the time. Can they not take home some of these ideas. The truth is, these people don't care for the land nor the people. But they are very good at fooling people. They just don't care. Best, selma
[Goanet] A positive write up on Commonwealth Ga mes - Shekhar Gupta, 25/09/2010 – Source Indian Expr ess
Edward Verdes eddiever...@gmail.com wrote : Subject: Re: [Goanet] Re Commonwealth Games Thanks Vivan I do agree with you...the Indian media is the first to create this mess, they need something day in n day out to run their business...we have to be postive and support our nation. Do you think all the past CW games went off without any problems! It is said that for the Athens Olympics they were still planting tress on the opening day. With news coming in confirming the participation of NZ n OZ teams and also their thumbs up for the Games village, let us hope things will go on smoothly now. I am in all praise for the lady in Delhi...the lone woman CM Mrs. Sheila Dikshit who has been working hard despite all odds - the floods and terror attacks. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cwgarticleshow/6620914.cms But after visiting the Village this morning, Australian Commonwealth Games Association chief Perry Crosswhite said his country was happy with the facilities and that their athletes are looking forward to the Games. We are quite happy with the Village and we are looking forward to the Games. The Australian contingent is coming, he said. Absolutely, it's thumbs up to the Games, he said, when asked about his assessment of the Games. Crosswhite was one of the strongest critics of the preparations of the mega event till recently. Dev borem korum Edward Verdes Comments : Camilo Fernandes - Recently there has been extensive bad coverage on all leading channels i.e. BBC News, Sky News, etc. regarding Commonwealth Games in Delhi which has made every Indian bow his head in shame. It was disgusting to see the toilets/rooms filled with red paan stains all over which pictures were shown worldwide. This gave the impression that all Indians dont have hygiene at all which is really not the truth. It is really important that spitting/chewing paan is banned and so too urinating/answering call of nature in open spaces While there are many culprits in Indian politics who will sell their country or even their family members to make profit at any cost , many do their best for their country. While the vast majority are corrupt, we can pick up our Prime Minister, Manmoham Singh as a clean politician. Sadly corruption is a way of life in India and I cant even dream when there will be no corruption in India. If only corruption is eliminated, India would have been a powerful fantastic nation. Instead of focussing on the negatives, let us also try to look at the positives. The following article by Shekhar Gupta, ( Source Indian Express ) makes interesting reading. For weeks now, we have played that game with such panache. We love to abuse and curse ourselves. But we are absolutely delirious with joy when foreigners, particularly the white Western nations do it. So every bit of scorn heaped on us and our capital by English and Australian tabloids is now being celebrated as if we have finally been shown our true place in the world. We have neophyte prime minister of Australia more or less predicting (if not wishing) a terror attack in New Delhi, a fact that she forgot to share with her cricket team before it left for India. We have assorted New Zealanders, Welshmen and even Scots turning up their noses. Now we even have the head of the Australian Olympic Committee suggesting the Games should never have been given to New Delhi. And once again, all we do is unquestioningly play these up as if they were certificates of great accomplishment of some sort. Nobody asked the preening-with-delight Australian Olympic Committee dude who lamented that the Games had to be given to Delhi because the Commonwealth Games Federation was under-funded, why he could not get one of the more civilised members of the Commonwealth to save the only thing that reminds their old subjects that such an anachronism still exists. Did we ask the Scotsman who wasn't sure his contingent would come if he, as the host of the next CGW, was conscious of the consequences if India retaliatated? Maybe because we found his country too cold, too wet, too small, whatever (of course we'd never complain about the Scotch)? And does anybody ask the big-mouth Australians if they have given the same advice to their cricketers with the next World Cup being staged in the subcontinent next year? Unless of course, they do not care so much for their lives and limb after their recent performances? Or how come nobody complained when their hockey team lifted the World Cup in New Delhi earlier this year? You have to be particularly aghast that South Block, which reacts with horror and alarm the moment any Pakistani even scratches his chin looking in our direction, has looked the other way as all this has gone on. Hear the Australian prime minister's speech again (it continues to be repeated every hour as if it was the nicest compliment somebody sent to India lately), and you will feel
[Goanet] India bribed 72 nations to get Delhi CWG
Can someone tell how these $ 7.2 million (Rs 35 crore) paid to the recipients: Cash, cheque, TT or RTGS? From which account of the govt the money was transferred? Rajendra Marshall had written: The title of the media report is highly misleading. If one reads the entire report, it says that Hamilton offered about US$ 70,000 to each of the nations to secure their vote, but New Delhi outbid them by offering US$ 100,000 each. If that is so, then it only means that New Delhi outwitted Hamilton at its own game. Moreover, if the payment was considered a bribe, then aren't the bribe takers equally or even more guilty than the bribe giver? Who is preaching morals to whom!!! It is another matter that the organisers of the CWG have messed up and brought shame on India. Vasant Baliga posted the foll media report: India bribed 72 Commonwealth countries USD 100,000 each to get the hosting rights for the scandal-hit 19th edition of the Games which will start in Delhi from October 3-14, a media report claimed here on Thursday. A report in the Daily Telegraph claimed that Delhi pipped Hamilton in the bid after offering huge sums of money to the 72 Commonwealth countries during the inal presentation in Jamaica. The report also said that Australia received a kickback of USD 125,000 from India. Delhi sealed the right to host the Games when their delegates emerged at the final presentation in Jamaica and offered all 72 nations USD 100,000 (then about USD 140,000) each for athlete training schemes if they were the successful bidders, the newspaper reported. The money, subsequently paid to all nations, was not significant to Australia because it had already decided to vote for India and the payment was not an exceptionally large one. But for small nations who have minimal interest in the Games, it clinched their vote and India went on to beat Canadian city Hamilton 46-22 in the final poll. Hamilton had offered the nations about USD 70,000 each, it said. The newspaper also claimed that some countries' which had supported Hamilton's bid cried foul after India won the bid. Hamilton's bid organisers, and many of the nations who voted for them, fired off angry protests about India buying votes and the bad blood generated between several feuding nations still exists, it said. The Commonwealth Games Association has decided to ban 11th-hour inducements as a consequence of the outrage over India's tactics. Australian Commonwealth Games Association president Sam Coffa also accepted that India offered money to get the Games.
[Goanet] Prajal Sakhardande
Prajal's phone numbers are: landline: 2461325 mobile: 09371249191. E-mail is heritagepra...@rediffmail.com. Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami
[Goanet] BNU
BNU had pots of Goan gold all over the place. Mr. Percival Noronha might tell you a thing or two.(not sure of his health). There is a Mr. Braganca a former employee and lives on the foothills of Santa Cruz might help! BC
[Goanet] Europe and Inquisiton (5)
The last post on this thread overlooked that fact that it was the fourth and not third installment on the thread. Much of this presentation is paraphrasing from the 1000-page Textbook of Western Civilizations. A third of the book is devoted to the period of Modern History from 1500 AD. Readers will note that a lot of the presentation is factual; devoid of the usual blame religion writings we see from some, regarding this period of time. Once again, I would encourage readers to do their own reading of the wide literature of this period and to refer or google the works of individuals referred in this article. The following is a bare-bones summation to give readers the flavor of the multitude of events of the historical period. Age of Reformation, extends from 1517 to 1600. In simple terms, reformers were seeking reformation of the Roman Catholic Church. This led to a revolt against the Church. Yet, writers, native or foreign, who view / link the Reformation, Counter-Reformation and Inquisition as purely a religious issue, have either 'tunnel vision' or are just ignorant of the wider historical issues of the period. An understanding of events of this period essentially encompasses of four aspects: I Challenges to theological dogma - led by religious leaders. II. Political changes across Europe - led by kings. III. Economic factors sweeping across Europe - led by the new middle class. IV. Social and population unrest - led by the masses. As mentioned, in the prior postings, many of the issues existed prior to this historical period. Yet these four factors came together in early 1500s in a combination of Murphy's Law. All that could have happened, did occur at the same time; which made this historical period tumultuous both in Europe and in European colonies. Part I: The need for reformation in the theological concepts and practices of the Church was voiced long before the historical period. The Protestant revolution was a rebellion against the late-medieval system of theology. The reformers were more conservative in their thinking. It is beyond the scope of this presentation to define some of the fundamental concepts where the two groups differed in their theology and (more importantly) the practical effects of these fundamental shifts in religious thoughts. Suffice to say, essentially, there were two different theologies developed within the Medieval Church. The contemporary church (then and now) based their beliefs on the teachings of Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274). Humans were endowed by God with the freedom to choose good and avoid evil. To help make and put into practice that choice, the Church, its teachings and its sacraments had the authority to cooperate with God and forgive sins. This was termed Scholastic theology or Thomistic School. The reformers quoted St. Paul (30 -60 A.D) and St. Augustine (around 400 A.D). They claimed an omnipotent God decides whom to save (and who is pre-determined to inherit eternal life). Protestant reformers wanted a return to more primitive Christianity. They included Martin Luther (1483-1546), Ulrich Zwingli (1484-1531), John Calvin (1509-1564). They claimed, the total depravity of humanity predestination and bondage of the will could only be salvaged by an almighty God without help of worldly intermediaries. Protestant revolution was also against the widespread abuses within church practices; and their revolution was couched by some in theological terms. Scholastic theology was promoted by several other reformers such as Savonarola (1452-1498 - Italy); Francisco Jimenez Cisneros (1436-1517), John of God (1495-1550), John of Avila (1500-1569), John of Cross (1542-1591) all in Spain; Francis de Sales (1567-1622) in Switzerland, and others across Europe. Most were ascetic priests who had quite a following among the poor masses. Yet the nobility and in some cases the official church, found their teaching too confining and rigorous. A few of these ascetics (undertook life of prayers, fasting, penance, and poverty etc.) priests and nuns were brought before the Inquisition for their mysticism; and some like Savonarola were burnt at the stake. Most historians opine if the official Church had listened to these ascetics of the late 1400s, the reformation split would not be needed and not have occurred. And there would be no need for Counter-Reformation reforms. The Catholic Church end-up reforming itself in the landmark Council of Trent (1545-1563) under the aegis of three popes Paul III, Julius III and Pius IV. This meeting and changes to practices introduced by following popes brought about some lasting Church reforms; till Vatican II upgraded the practices in its meeting in 1962-1965. Part II: Protestant Reformation as a political movement: (Next)
Re: [Goanet] Even if God does not exist, what is the harm in believing God exists?
Food for thought, certainly. Well thought. eric. I do not know whether God (as perceived by many or otherwise) exists or not. I do not believe in miracles which defy science, which is so far evolved (hypothesized and proven). I strongly believe that the Universe is self-regulating and self-controlling mechanism due to its infinite size, infinite objects, infinite distances and infinite inter-object forces. An object like our Sun or Arcturus (1K times bigger than the Sun) or Antares (1 million times bigger than the Sun), however large it may be individually, cannot disturb the entire universe. If there is imbalance at some stage, one collapses taking with him few hundread others till balance is re-established. Infinity ensures that the balance shall be established. However, I abide by the teachings which are considered as told by the God, because they help the humanity to be restraintful (whether out of god-fear or otherwise). I therefore believe in God even though God, as perceived by many, may not exist. If it is scientifically proved some day that God does not exist, I will consider the infinity (self-regulating universe) as the God and continue to abide by the teachings referred above. On the other hand: what if God does exist and you have been denying the existence all along? Rajendra
[Goanet] Child labour ahead of CWG
An other damning report. BC CNN) -- As Indian officials struggle to deal with mounting international criticism toward the safety and security of Commonwealth Game athletes, new evidence has emerged that show children as young as seven are being used in the construction of game venues. In an exclusive interview with CNN International, Harvard fellow and trafficking expert Siddharth Kara told Becky Anderson that child labor was a widespread and well known issue in New Delhi. I reliably documented in just a few days 32 cases of forced labor and 14 cases of child labor all for construction related to the Commonwealth Games, Kara said on Connect the World. The children I saw were the ones where I felt I had documented child labor -- where children were working, picking up hammers, banging stones, paving entry ways and planting grass along the roads to beautify them, hours and hours at a time. I documented children aged seven, eight, nine, ten years old working alongside their families in this mad rush to get the construction completed. Kara, a renowned expert on the subject of human trafficking, also outlined the harsh conditions these children were forced to work under. The conditions are sub-human and that's really the only word I can apply, Kara said. They live in the dirt, they go to the toilet behind bushes and trees which is why they found human excrement in the athletes village a few days ago. The children, especially the young ones, don't have a sense of what's going on. They're told to do the work and they just do the work. They don't know that they should be in school or that they should be playing. CNN anchor Becky Anderson pushed Kara on the issue and questioned the methods he used to document the cases of child labor and whether they were not just children accompanying their parents on job sites. Kara responded by explaining that he went to great lengths to accurately document these cases. I didn't just show up, turn up and then carry on to the next site because it took me several days to document these 30 or 40 cases, Kara said. It would take me hours to document, in the heat and high humidity. It's not just kids playing in the dirt or using a hammer as a toy. CNN tried back on July 23, 2010, to contact the chief minister for New Delhi and minister responsible, Sheila Dixit about the allegations made by Kara, but after several attempts, no official reply was ever made. Dixit did finally speak to CNN's Connect the World this past Tuesday and said that if she was aware of the allegations of child labor in the first place, she would have acted. If this gentleman, whoever this student was from Harvard, if he had come to us, told us that this is what was happening there, we would have taken immediate action, Dixit said. The minister also went on to say that she had wished somebody would have come and told her of the allegations. Kara, who was asked of Dixit's response, said that he had in fact tried to contact Indian government officials of his findings. I tried to let people know back in mid-July and I tried to contact the ministry of labor several times about my findings but had no response, Kara said.
Re: [Goanet] Banco Nacional Ultramar - Fontainhas - San Tome
BNU's remnants at the SBI.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/100409179/ Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490
Re: [Goanet] Cornel DaCosta, RIP
On 24 September 2010 12:51, augusto pinto pinto...@gmail.com wrote: Dr. Cornel da Costa. But even if I am wrong, I think that it is not right to make use of those debates and arguments that Cornel had as an opportunity to point fingers at Cornel's and one's own common enemies in order to make them feel that they are criminals. Augusto Pinto 40, Novo Portugal, Moira, Bardez, Goa, India E pinto...@gmail.com or ypinto...@yahoo.co.in P 0832-2470336 M 9881126350 Augusto RESPONSE: Yes indeed, it was unfortunate that Cornel was so pissed off, that he threatened to have one by their garters and to sue them. When one reaches that level they mean business. Also there are some on this site, who have to be explained everything - nay spoon fed, simply unable to fathom out, simple nuances in English - despite their undoubted hard graft in studying. Then there is the case of one posting a forward here and utterly believing it, about being infected by a stray needle. If I recall correctly he was brought down to size by one, who it appears is now his bosom buddy. I spoofed on that piece, indicating that I knew of a girl from Dubai Creek, who travelled to Australia; died because of this story - needless to say it was swallowed hook, line and sinker. Then there is the case of a sweeper on the floor of car manufacuting plant in Detroit who claimed to have an MBA from Ann Arbor, Michigan - when checked out the results came as nilthis was put out on the private site that you belong to - did you miss it? When one believes everything they read on the WWW then we have a a real problem regarding references given as Gosepl truth; there are no caveats thrown in except to quote the URLs to substantiate. Bah! -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
[Goanet] Is This Simple Technique the Key to Managing Migraines?
Is this Simple Technique the key to Managing Migraines?? 'Healthier Talk' http://www.healthiertalk.com/simple-technique-key-managing-migraines-2445
[Goanet] god sandwich
definition of sandwich. n. a. Two or more slices of bread with a filling such as meat or cheese placed between them. b. A partly split long or round roll containing a filling. c. One slice of bread covered with a filling. In this regard Santosh Helekars patollyo cannot be called a sandwich and of course not a god sandwich Michael Fernandes
Re: [Goanet] Commonwealth Games
Congress, Congress, UPA? Sometimes, I get the impression that mails attacking Congress corruption are more of a tool for cheap political propaganda. What about the Opposition? Does it play its role or take cheap and emotive shots instead of tackling more serious issues? Does it have a significant vision difference from the ruling party? Hindu party BJP wants beef ban at 2010 Commonwealth Games in India http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/2010/07/12/hindu-party-bjp-wants-beef-ban-at-2010-commonwealth-games-in-india/ BJP pushes Bachchan for Games brand ambassador http://www.indianexpress.com/news/bjp-pushes-bachchan-for-games-brand-ambassad/596812/ BJP cries neglect of Hindi in Games hoardings http://www.zeenews.com/news655135.html Hindsight, as they say, is perfect vision. 20/20! FN On 25 September 2010 12:43, U. G. Barad dr.udayba...@gmail.com wrote: After reading a clarion call given by one Goanet member to see other side of the coin on above subject, I realized that I had forgotten that the present CWG is organized by our India, our Indian Congress party and our Congress politicians combine. When this is the fact, how can I, being an Indian citizen, talk and or project anything else other then good of even worst things. In this positive direction, I must now say that our ruling congress party has done commendable job in organizing CWG with common wealth of all Indians without even worrying about prevailing poverty standards of Indians. This full show has cost India just meager 35,000 Crores of rupees. CWG in India equals total transparency with absolutely 'zero' corruption. 'No one will be spared for any corruption charges (if proved) after CWG is over' is a strong message conveyed by UPA president through Prime Minister of India. For sure, for the first time in history, India has done something unique which no other third world country can do. This commendable, spick span work of India must be admired by all participants of CWG and by entire world. On these count, entire world leaders must recommend Indian organizers names for a Nobel Prize for showcasing unbelievable and indescribable!
[Goanet] commonwealth games
we are a democratic country, a open society,we have a vibrant media,hence the mess that is common wealth games preparations,is being debated in media, but the most important factor is accountability,people and the politicians who are at the helm of affairs should own up the responsibility and answer about the short comings,indian technocrats are second to none,but when it comes to corruption our politicians are masters, the whole mess is result of corruption. madame Sonia Gandhi and PM Mr MANMOHAN SINGH will you pick up the gauntlet?
[Goanet] A Positive possibility of CWG fiasco
Many top athelets have pulled out of CWG due to security, health and other concerns. Taking the advantage, can India romp home with more medals? Rajendra
[Goanet] Talking Photos: SBI Panjim (former Banco Nacional Ultramarino)
SBI Panjim (former Banco Nacional Ultramarino) another thing I learnt today.. First time I heard about this bank (BNU) was in 1980s When I read that people from Goa can claim back the gold deposited with then Banco Nacional Ultramarino. that's about 20+ years after they left Goa. I am sure upto 50% of the Gold is still lying with the BNU. As many may have lost the papers/documents or receipts as proof. Don't know if the first Goa Govt. did anything about it or not. The present State Bank of India (SBI) at it's place at Panjim Some Pics http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk31/5022936714/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk31/5022327871/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk31/5022937296/sizes/l/ With Hotel Mandovi http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk31/5022328521/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk31/5022938020/sizes/l/ The rear http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk21/3811962151/sizes/l/ Note: It appears that the main entrance of the bank was where The ATM located now (facing Hotel Mandovi) As seen in the first pic above (the Two round pillars ) Extra: The building next to it (to the left) Instituto Piedade http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk31/5022332459/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk31/5022332751/sizes/l/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Re: [Goanet] Prajal Sakhardande
Dear all, If I may suggest: It is not a great idea to place another person's tel numbers et al on public fora. jc === Ana Maria de souza-Goswami anamari...@dataone.in wrote: Prajal's phone numbers are: landline: 246x mobile: 0937xx E-mail is xxx...@rediffmail.com.
Re: [Goanet] Talking Photos: SBI Panjim (former Banco Nacional Ultramarino)
On 25 September 2010 09:05, JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: First time I heard about this bank (BNU) was in 1980s When I read that people from Goa can claim back the gold deposited with then Banco Nacional Ultramarino. that's about 20+ years after they left Goa. I am sure upto 50% of the Gold is still lying with the BNU. As many may have lost the papers/documents or receipts as proof. Don't know if the first Goa Govt. did anything about it or not. response: This Goan Gold does a return every couple of years. For what it is worth, here are two urls (from GoaNet) http://www.mail-archive.com/goa...@goanet.org/msg21522.html http://www.mail-archive.com/goa...@goanet.org/msg21635.html jc
[Goanet] Panaji Ganeshotsav 2010 at Shree Mahalaxmi Temple Hall, Panaji - Images
Images of the Cultural Programme organised by JCI St. Inez in association with Shree Mahalaxmi Sausthan Committee and Bhartiya Sanskrutik Mandal and the Religious Programme organised by Bhartiya Sanskrutik Mandal. Rangoli http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=89850id=1187066172l=0b9ac2a08b Fancy Dress http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=89849id=1187066172l=5b5e7523c1 Dance http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=89853id=1187066172l=bb685bdf78 Cooking Contest http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=89852id=1187066172l=4d034decfb Child Art http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=89851id=1187066172l=c7382e4725 Prize Distribution http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=89854id=1187066172l=c41a95c1e0 Visarjan http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=89855id=1187066172l=ed8387d9ef and the Table Tennis Tourney(in association with Panjim Table Tennis Club) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=89148id=1187066172l=fb3ec2c727 yours sincerely Sandeep Heble Programme coordinator 9326129171
[Goanet] Love Goa (then be counted)
I think each Goan has to stand up and be counted on his/her views on preserving Goan Land, Culture, Demographics and Identity. We have only 2 Options i.e (1) preserve it or (2) do not preserve it!! Each Goan has to stop sitting on the fence and express his/her opinion clearly; this opinion (whatever it is) will decide Goa's Future!! This opinion has to expressed as much as possible and in whatever way possible e.g. Press, Cyberspace, Public/Private events etc This has to be done today as tomorrow will be only too late!! Arwin Mesquita, UAE -- Please post your comments on my Blog: http://goanidentity.blogspot.com/ Please also see below: 1. Benaulim Village Action Committee: http://www.bvacbenaulim.blogspot.com/ 2. Rape of Goa : http://www.parrikar.com/blog/the-rape-of-goa/ 3. MAND - an adivasi-rights resource centre : http://mandgoa.blogspot.com/ 4. EVERY GOAN SHOULD SEE THIS VIDEO: http://infochangeindia.org/Infochange-documentary.html 5. For the Love of Konkani: http://www.radiogoa.net/ 6. Goa's Identity Movement website: http://www.goamag.net/gim 7. Goa's Identity Movement group on Facebook: http://www.facebook.com//#/group.php?gid=193497031686 8. Official Government Site NRI Office (GOA): http://www.globalgoans.org.in/
[Goanet] Selma's Diaspora Wilderness
Just finished Selma's book last night. A fantastic piece of work in all respects. She has a facile way of recounting the facts that she so painstaking dug up and harmoniously set in a patchwork quilt that covers you with emotional warmth. Absorbing to no end. I couldn't have enjoyed it any more had the author been Dominique Lapierre and not Selma Carvalho. Some books are technically correct but robotic. Others are artsy but glide on flights of fancy. Selma's must be counted as neither. She has a way with words that combines the best of both. I am proud to know Selma though I have never met her, but even prouder to read the work of a Goan author of her caliber. I know she has a lot of road yet to travel and I wish her god-speed. I shall recommend the book to every Goan I know well and even to some of my non-Goan friends who will undoubtedly enjoy it. Roland
[Goanet] Last farewell Cornel.................
...Boots plays smoke gets in your eyes - the theme song in the movie alwaysA last farewell to Cornel, as we say bye to him on Monday. As you may already know Cornel used to play the saxophone here in London in the early years i.e. 70's. Hope you enjoy this piece. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0lahn-UmeA -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
Re: [Goanet] Banco Nacional Ultramar - Fontainhas - San Tome
Hi Selma, The one person who could help you in this matter would probably be Prof. Vasco Pinho. I do not have his contact details but I am sure someone or the other on GN will be able to help contact Prof. Pinho. Keep up the good work, Tony -- Tony de Sa. tonydesa at gmail dot com M : +91 9975 162 897 Ph. : +91 832 2470 148 ^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v^v
Re: [Goanet] Newman beatified by the Pope
A few more links from Birmingham Oratory http://www.birmingham-oratory.org.uk/ http://www.birmingham-oratory.org.uk/JohnHenryNewman/tabid/58/Default.aspx http://www.birmingham-oratory.org.uk/SaintPhilipNeri/BlessedJosephVaz/tabid/81/Default.aspx http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/birmingham/hi/people_and_places/religion_and_ethics/newsid_8999000/8999253.stm Best wishes Olga Maciel
[Goanet] God Sandwiches (Was: God does not exist!)
Alfred de Tavares alfredtava...@hotmail.com wrote: Nasci: i am pretty much flumoxed by nascimentation of scientists as learned. Does that imply that there are unlearned of the species? In my time I have met many a MAD scientistbut not one that is an ignoramus.I wonder Perhaps our genious from Chimbel will, kindly, deflumox me; at least, mercifully, refrain from flumoxing further..dare I so hope? RESPONSE: I tend to agree with Nascy and obviously there are not many intellectuals in Goa either; but many who want to claim they are one. They are sceptics, who habitually doubts the authenticity of accepted beliefs. I have been following this topic about life God and I find utter ignorance in certain netters who are hell bent to claim that they are enlightening the netters about science. Let me give you all a vivid example of the difference between LIFE and LIVING SUBSTANCE. No, I'm not giving you examples like trees, seeds, etc., which can be subjective. Brain cells cease to function when deprived of Oxygen for more than three minutes or so. This can be caused due to various reasons like apnea, drowning,faulty anaesthesia ( like the movie Jefferson's Institute), etc., etc. Now if the patient is revived, then the patient remains in coma, sometimes for years or a lifetime. The brain cells are LIVING as circulation and oxygenation is resumed; BUT there is NO LIFE. There are no electrical waves from the brain cortex cells that send impulses to the body to be conscious, perform movements, speak, walk, etc. We call it 'Brain Dead'. If you supply it with external electrical impulses, the brain does not come to life, Although it is still a living tissue, not undergone infarct/necroses (death); there is no obvious life. Life can be compared to electricity, you cannot see it, but you can see its effects, you can feel its effects; in fact you can perceive life and electricity through only sense of touch. Let me give another example. Take the time to read this full incident that are facts at the below site. This had been published some three decades back on ‘Readers Digest’. Could our sceptics on this network explain the meaning of Life of the German Surgeon? How is it that operations were conducted in unconventional ways? They surely are not hallucinations and delusions! Can Science explain Life after death which is clearly obvious here? If in Science Life means Living tissue; than surely the Science our sceptics are talking about is not universal, may be village science. Life is much more vast than Science can explain. http://www.mysteriouspeople.com/Psychic-Healer.htm DC
Re: [Goanet] Prajal Sakhardande
Guess it depends what their own approach is to privacy. Wish more people would include such information in their own 'sig' (signature) file below their emails. Makes it so much easier when you need to contact them. FN PS: There were times when we simply couldn't afford to hand out our mobile numbers. Incoming calls were then being charged too! The other day, I bought an extra SIM card for just Rs 85! Lifetime validity (though you need to make a call or two or three each month, to keep it going). Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490 On 25 September 2010 18:21, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote: If I may suggest: It is not a great idea to place another person's tel numbers et al on public fora.
[Goanet] Special Status for Goa - A far Cry
What is this chap talking about? The reason Goans are asking for Special Status is that no land can be sold to the ghantis. Clearly the status should be in line with the NE states. BC Special Status for Goa - A far Cry To my mind, the demand to ban sale of property for residence and settlement is almost impossible in view of constitutional guarantee of residence and settlement. It has to be noted that the demand requires a change to the fundamental rights, something that is guaranteed to all the citizens of the country. Cleofato A Coutinho
Re: [Goanet] Even if God does not exist, what is the harm in believing God exists?
rajendra kakodkar wrote: I therefore believe in God even though God, as perceived by many, may not exist. If it is scientifically proved some day that God does not exist, I will consider the infinity (self-regulating universe) as the God and continue to abide by the teachings referred above. On the other hand: what if God does exist and you have been denying the existence all along? Rajendra, First of, let me state clearly that I er, believe that everyone should have the right to believe in the God or Gods of his/her choice. If this is acceptable, then I must insist that the believers should have the choice to pray to God(s) in any way they deem appropriate. My personal belief system got shattered when I read the quote below. WARNING: You still have a chance to avoid reading the quote and remain safe with your current belief system. When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bike. Then I realized that The Lord doesn't work that way, so I stole one and asked him to forgive me. - Erno Philips - Mervyn1300Lobo
[Goanet] Talking Photos: Some Dirty Panjim Pics
Talking Photos: Some Dirty Panjim Pics New arrival to Goa? http://www.flickr.com/photos/dirtypanjim4/5023063782/sizes/l/ Dangerous zone Upto 7 buses seen at one time http://www.flickr.com/photos/dirtypanjim4/5023062750/sizes/l/ Sleeping zone – day time http://www.flickr.com/photos/dirtypanjim4/5023063392/ Peeing Zone 24 hours http://www.flickr.com/photos/dirtypanjim4/5023062198/ Govt. Vehicles illegal parking Zone http://www.flickr.com/photos/dirtypanjim4/5010934897/ Parking infront of Police Station and Traffic cell – traffic Jam http://www.flickr.com/photos/dirtypanjim4/4966702504/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/dirtypanjim4/4966100927/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/dirtypanjim4/5010935173/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Fwd: THE OTHER SIDE OF CWG, India
For favour of publication Anil Desai -- Forwarded message -- From: Anbu Mani Date: 25 September 2010 16:15 Subject: THE OTHER SIDE OF CWG, India http://hqtamilmoviesonline.blogspot.com/ http://hqtamilmoviesonline.blogspot.com/ http://hqtamilmoviesonline.blogspot.com/ The countries making hue and cry about the CWG situation can not digest the fact that INDIA can host such big events. They are afraid that INDIA would now be at par with them in every aspect, hence this negative feedback. I am proud to be an INDIAN. Look at the stadiums for CWG, really of international level, but media is only highlighting the negatives of the arrangement, however they are NOT showing such positive points. CWG Stadiums, Delhi , India -- Monikandan.R
[Goanet] Cornel DaCosta, RIP
Gabe as a seasoned and intelligent goanetter, you should know there are many such types (see below) on goanet. They (same guys) make no attempt to read, understand and digest what is written. It appears a few of them know exactly what someone else is saying; even before they read what is written. Then, they go on to reply, tell and opine to the author (and others) what exactly the author said / meant. I call them Jack of all subjects and Master of distortions, smear and bogus claims. I suspect many goanetters (though not all) use the advice you have given; and which you would love to have passed on to Cornel and others. To repeat your quote for the day: Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level, and defeat you with experience! Dilbert's rules of order. We all will give a sigh of relief when our names are removed from the unwanted spam mail; which was compiled by some faceless, nameless and shameless dick(s). I think goanet administration should terminate membership of this forum those who spam-mail others on this list. Regards, GL --- Gabe Menezes Also there are some on this site, who have to be explained everything - nay spoon fed, simply unable to fathom out, simple nuances in English - despite their undoubted hard graft in studying.
Re: [Goanet] god sandwich
From Lord Sandwich, reluctant to vacate the gambling table, he trampled Club dining etiquette to create his instant meat and roll fill. Santosh is close : our dumpling is 'pierogi' to Slavs. eric. definition of sandwich. n. a. Two or more slices of bread with a filling such as meat or cheese placed between them. b. A partly split long or round roll containing a filling. c. One slice of bread covered with a filling.
[Goanet] Quotes on atheism: corroborated Thoughts and expressions
Quotes on atheism corroborated Thoughts and expressions 'Atheists do believe in something; maybe they believe in reason or truth. Are not reason and truth a significant aspect of God's nature? Atheists use reason and the power of the mind to proclaim that the infinite, illimitable, and transcendent consciousness is non existent. But, can the Highest Transcendental Consciousness be explained within the narrow confines of mental reason and the domain of the mind? - Similarly, could words justify the existence or non - existence of music?' 'They proved to me by convincing reasons that God does not exist; Afterwards I saw God, for he came and embraced me. And now what am I to believe- the reasoning of others or my own experience? Truth is what the soul has seen and experienced; the rest is appearance, prejudice and opinion.' - Sri Aurobindo (Thoughts and aphorisms?) There are good atheists, there are bad atheists; there are good religious people, there are bad religious people. What does this prove? Atheism is not a reaction against God. Atheism is a reaction against religion - organised religion which has been coloured by human egoism and human misconceptions. Errors in religion can never be proof that God does not exist. How frequently is religion a pure expression of God's will, and how frequently is religion a reflection of man's ignorance and misunderstanding? To concentrate on the flaws of religion is to miss the divine potential that each religion can lead a seeker to God. Divine religion is the love of God. When a seeker sincerely and self-givingly practises the heart of religion, he rises far beyond any outer imperfection of form. When atheists dispute with religious fundamentalists we are surprised to see that both groups share quite a few similarities of belief. What are these similarities? The desire to convert others. The belief that mental reason is able to prove / disprove God. An evangelical fervour that they must be correct. A feeling that the other side is hopelessly misguided.Atheists generally disbelieve in the monotheistic conception of an external God high above in heaven. But, the real question is whether this conception of God bears any relation to the true nature of the omnipresent, omnipotent and infinite consciousness of pure delight that is God? The Buddha never talked about God. Does that mean the Buddha was an atheist? No, the Buddha never talked about God because he felt the infinite, all pervading consciousness of nirvana could never be described in words. To talk about God was so unsatisfactory that Buddha felt silence was more powerful. But, the Buddha was a shining example of the transforming power of the transcendent, illimitable consciousness, which other people may refer to as God. Some religions emphasise the justice aspect of God, they give the impression God is a tyrant who condemns the majority of souls to eternal hell. Who wants to believe in that kind of God? God has inspired many prophets to preach a message of peace and forgiveness. If people ignore this, whose fault is it - God or his followers? Jesus Christ said 'love thy enemy as thyself' - If during the middle ages this immortal utterance had been give any importance, would the Crusades have ever occurred? Unfortunately, adherents have often chosen to ignore the divine utterances of great prophets. But, can we blame God, if people give greater importance to their egoistic understanding and prejudices. Atheism plays a role in highlighting religious fanaticism and misuse of occultism.. True religion will always remain unperturbed and detached from the arguments and criticisms of disbelievers. A true lover of God, will never feel the need to defend himself against atheism. Spirituality is not about proving anything to others. Spirituality is about the inner life; if others are not ready to follow a spiritual life and believe in God, a real aspirant feels it is not his responsibility - it is Gods. There is a story about a poor, dishevelled man who was not able to enter into the temple; a temple frequented by all the great and notable figures of society. The poor man felt miserable and cursed God, saying if this is God's will then I don't want to believe in you. Later, in a dream God came and spoke to the poor man. saying, 'please don't feel bad about being kept out of the temple. They don't let me in either. The colossal monuments and temples of organised religion, which are supposed to
