Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-News] Tony de Sa...
That is truly troubling news. Am praying his situation changes for the better.Mog asundi,Victor -Original Message- From: Frederick Noronha To: Goanet Sent: Mon, Sep 27, 2021 11:49 am Subject: [Goanet-News] Tony de Sa... Tony de Sa's daughter Anna Marie de Sa responded to say: "My dad Tony de Sa is critical. Very, very sick." This is really sad. Please keep Tony in your thoughts and prayers. Tony is our Goanet moderator, especially on Goanet @ Facebook. He is a retired principal of Sacred Heart, Parra and a kind and helpful person. He taught himself programming after retiring, and has been a long-term member of our India Linux Users' Group-Goa as well as the Free Software Users' Group-Goa. He hails from Moira. FN :: 27SEP2021 ᐧ *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*- Join a discussion on Goa-related issues by posting your comments on this or other issues via email to goa...@goanet.org See archives at http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/ *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-
Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-News] Leonard Fernandes talks on stamp-collecting...
Dear Frederick and Leonard, I would very much like t attend the webinar because I've been a stamp collector for most of my life. But I was unable to register. HELP Mog assundi,Victor -Original Message- From: Frederick Noronha To: Goanet Sent: Sun, Jul 18, 2021 5:03 pm Subject: [Goanet-News] Leonard Fernandes talks on stamp-collecting... An Introduction to the Fascinating World of Stamp Collection -- Tuesday, July 20, 2021 at 18h30 IST * Basics of philately * Various aspects of philately * How to get started * Develop a world-class collection Leonard Fernandes, engineer-publisher-entrepreneur, has collected stamps for over 30 years. His exhibits have won awards at the state and district level. Stamp collecting is a fascinating hobby which builds a curiosity about geography, history and even the languages. Please share this with schoolchildren, their parents and teachers whom you know Register at http://www.collaborativelearningcafe.org or WhatsApp +91-9822122436 for details. This event is free and open to all. -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ FN * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا +91-9822122436 _/ See a different Goa here, via _/ https://youtube.com/c/frederickfnnoronha _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-News] DEATH: Lambert Mascarenhas, 106, founder-editor, Goa Today
It is with sadness that I heard of the passing of my old friend, Lambert Mascarenhas. My condolences go to his family. Lambert belonged to a group of older, pioneering Goan literary figures that included Armando Menezes,, George Coelho, Joao da Veiga Coutinho, my siblings Oscar and Lyra, and others whose names escape me at the moment; most of them were studying at or had links to St. Xavier's College in Bombay in the 1930s. All of them have left behind writings that were published, and others in various stages of completion. Lambert's novel, Sorrowing Lies My Land, published in the 1950s, was a source of inspiration to many in my generation. If it is no longer in print; it deserves to be reprinted. May he rest in peace. Victor Rangel-Ribeiro -Original Message- From: Frederick Noronha To: Goanet Sent: Sun, Jun 27, 2021 5:42 pm Subject: [Goanet-News] DEATH: Lambert Mascarenhas, 106, founder-editor, Goa Today LAMBERT MASCARENHAS 17.09.1914-27.06.2021. Son of the late Dr Hipolito Mascarenhas and the late Amelia Messias Mascarenhas. Husband of Dr Jolly Mascarenhas. Father/father-in-law of Nayantara/the late Noel de Lima Leitao, Ameeta, Jude, Anjali/Stefan Maus, Grandfather of Alisha/Naveen, Chantal, Nicole/JJ, Tara/Nolan, Nicholas, Divya/Daniel, Akash & Mark. Great-grandfather of Zara. Funeral rites will be held on Monday, the 28th of June, 2021 at the Taleigao cemetery, in the presence of close family only due to Pandemic restrictions. We are grateful to all of you for your prayers and wishes. Please understand that due to the prevailing situation we can accept your condolences only online. Family and friends, please accept this as the only intimation. -- _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ FN * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا +91-9822122436 _/ See a different Goa here, via _/ https://youtube.com/c/frederickfnnoronha _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-News] DELHI: A Godin & Co, the piano shop of Connaught Place, is gone (2016)
My dear Frederick, The Godin Piano store may have vanished from Delhi, but the Bombay store, located barely 50 yards from my apartment in Byculla when I lived there in the 1950s and whose owner was a friend of mine, continues to exist in Panaji under a different name and perhaps a different ownership. For details of how and when that transition took place, you should contact Christopher Gomes, of Furtado's. He has continued the tradition of expert service. Warmest regards, Victor -Original Message- From: Frederick Noronha To: Goanet Sent: Wed, Jan 20, 2021 11:53 am Subject: [Goanet-News] DELHI: A Godin & Co, the piano shop of Connaught Place, is gone (2016) https://www.thedelhiwalla.com/2016/08/05/city-notice-a-godin-co-the-piano-shop-of-connaught-place-is-gone/ -- FN* फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا +91-9822122436
Re: [Goanet] [goawriters2] World Book Day Celebrations
And I'll be there as well, Leonard, God willing.Victor
-Original Message-
From: V M vmin...@gmail.com [goawriters2]
To: goawriters2
Cc: Goa Book Club ; goanet
Sent: Fri, Apr 5, 2019 10:58 am
Subject: Re: [goawriters2] World Book Day Celebrations
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Wow, Leonard. An excellent initiative, and Mander is as great as it gets
Will certainly try to be there.
Warm regards,
VM
On Fri, Apr 5, 2019 at 8:12 PM Leonard Fernandes leonard.fernan...@gmail.com
[goawriters2] wrote:
Hello,
Like you know World Book Day is celebrated on the 23rd of April. This year,
however, Goa is having elections that day. We are having a small programme the
following Sunday, to celebrate the literary heritage and achievements of this
state, and we hope you will attend. Almost every state in India celebrates
World Book Day, and we thought we shouldn't be left behind.
The programme is scheduled for Sunday, 28th April, at 9:30am, at Ravindra
Bhavan, Margao. Noted activist, author, and Director of the Centre for Equity
Studies, Harsh Mander will deliver the keynote address. Although I will attempt
to send individual invitations, I do hope that all of you will attend, and make
it a memorable morning.
I have attached the invitation. Please do save the date and come.
Warm
Regards,Leonard--Leonard
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leonard.fernan...@gmail.com
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Re: [Goanet] India's Gerson da Cunha: Renaissance Man
A well-deserved and overdue tribute to an extraordinarily gifted humanist. His wife Uma's talents and contribution to our culture, too, need to be recognized. Victor Rangel-Ribeiro On Friday, May 9, 2014 1:51 AM, Luis Vas luissr...@gmail.com wrote: Pranay Gupte Bestselling author, historian, biographer, foreign correspondent India's Gerson da Cunha: Renaissance Man The name of Gerson da Cunha of Mumbai means a lot to men and women of a certain generation, including mine. Simply put, he is sui generis. He's India's Renaissance Man. He possesses a towering intellect, a warm and giving personality, a voice that has been projected across film and drama theaters in many countries, a mind that has graced the diverse worlds of advertising, strategic communications and social marketing, a brain that developed modern India's mix of telecommunications of sustainable economic development -- particularly in rural areas -- and a heart that has worked relentless in the cause of women's education and empowerment, for children's rights and for trying to restore urban sanity in teeming metropolises such as Mumbai. I thought of these things just the other evening at a dinner hosted by Gerson and his wife Uma, a noted film critic, publisher of a highly regarded film quarterly, and organizer of film festivals. The guests included the film composer and lyricist Vanraj Bhatia, the marketing guru Shashi Kathpalia and his wife, Nayna, the social activist, Madhulika Dash of Orissa, a noted food writer, and the acclaimed photographers Suzanne Lee of Malaysia and Sanjit Das of Kolkata. I was reminded of what President John F. Kennedy said at a White House dinner in April 1962 honoring Nobel laureates of the Western hemisphere: I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered together at the White House, with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone. I write about Gerson because he's 83 years old, and is still going strong. A mild stroke hasn't slowed him, nor has the fact that today's generation of public intellectuals seldom acknowledge -- at least not fulsomely -- his stellar contributions. Gerson's door remains open to all, and notwithstanding ingrates he continues to be generous with his counsel and contacts. Gerson da Cunha belongs to a generation of Indians who set about creating and strengthening institutions in advertising and other fields in post-Independence India. At a very young age, he became chief executive of Lintas, a fabled company whose business he grew. Unicef recruited him for South America, where he helped conceive and implement social marketing programs such inoculation for children in Brazil's slums, and healthy motherhood in Central America. After a long Unicef stint -- which included serving at the agency's headquarters in New York -- Gerson returned home and helped his friend, the entrepreneur Sam Pitroda, to implement then Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi's ambition to streamline India's telecommunications. He wrote newspaper columns, and spoke widely about the importance of primary health care and women's education in India's ambitious development plans. Gerson then turned his attention to urban management. While a large majority of India's 1.3 billion people live in rural areas, the country's rapidly expanding cities suffered from poor management and planning. Gerson formed a nongovernmental organization in Mumbai called Agni -- fire -- that kept after political governors to devote more time and resources for the wellbeing of city dwellers. And all the while, Gerson continued acting in plays and movies, and he continued his column writing. I had the privilege of persuading Gerson to join me in starting a conference newspaper, The Earth Times, for the 1992 Earth Summit. The summit was more formally known as the United Nations Conference on Environment and Development. That parlay -- which was attended by 110 heads of state and government, and more than 65,000 civil-society participants -- took Gerson back to his old territory, Rio de Janeiro. His daily columns for The Earth Times appeared under the title, View from the South. They spanned the spectrum of environmental and developmental issues, and they fetched Gerson a new cohort of fans. Indeed, his perspectives helped shape the political dialogue at the summit. We continued publishing The Earth Times until 2003. That's when I shuttered the not-for-profit newspaper, which appeared daily at UN conferences in a dozen cities ranging from Bonn to Cairo to Beijing. It would be no hyperbole to say that Gerson's columns were the most sought-after feature of the newspaper. Now he's back home in Mumbai, still pressing the cause of livable cities and healthy environments for city dwellers. His home serves as a salon for everyone from the high and mighty to everyday citizens. Gerson clearly relishes good company. But I venture to suggest that his visitors get far more
Re: [Goanet] Subject: Re: Goanet Reader: Butcher, baker, minstrel, hunter, frontiersman
Selma Carvalho certainly deserves praise for the pioneering work she is doing, and has been doing now for quite a few years. It was far from easy for her to put all that information together on Goans in East Africa, but she persevered in the face of difficulties, and I for one am grateful that at last we have a reference work on hand. Perhaps those who find something lacking in it should direct their efforts now at providing whatever additional information they are privy to, so that it can be accessed and archived, making her finished book even better. Victor Rangel-Ribeiro On Thursday, April 24, 2014 1:27 PM, Mervyn Maciel mervynels.watuwasha...@gmail.com wrote: As I've said before, and I make no apology for repeating it here - we, Goans from East Africa,should be proud that Selma Carvalho, someone who had never set foot on African soil before, has done so much in preserving a slice of our history for posterity. None of us, former British Goans from East Africa, had ever attempted such a task before. My good friend, Dr. Christine Nicholls, who edited Selma's recent book A Railway runs through had this to say in a private message to me: I enjoyed working on Selma's book. She did a lot of research and has told a fascinating story. By all means, let us be constructive in our criticism, but also honourable to give praise where praise is due. Mervyn Maciel
Re: [Goanet] 'You are my son's discovery'
Dominique was white, a Frenchwoman. What might Raman's response have been had she been Indian, dark, and a non-Brahmin? We will never know. And you are my son's discovery, I will respect you for that is not really very welcoming. Victor On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:53 AM, Jose Colaco cola...@yahoo.com wrote: The following is absolutely delightful to read. At a time when Caste differences still bug Goan wedding plans (oxymoronically, even Goan alleged-Catholic ones), the following illustrates the magnitude of a learned mind. May ALL Goans learn from this vignette. jc BANGALORE: Frenchwoman Dominique was in awe of the occasion: she had to meet her future father-in-law who was a great scientist and Nobel laureate, for the first time. She gingerly stepped into the room where CV Raman was resting. Raman, though, was amiable. Raising his head, Raman said: So you're Dominique? You are my son's discovery and I shall respect you for that. This is how Raman welcomed his daughter-in-law when they met for the first time in 1970. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bangalore/You-are-my-sons-discovery-I-respect-you-Raman-told-daughter-in-law/articleshow/31072185.cms?intenttarget=no
Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-News] In Goa, a Goa Strings Orchestra in a concert of international classical music
The time (6.30 p.m.), the location (Kala Academy) and the date (Monday, March 17) were all part of the original headline to the newsitem. Victor On Friday, March 14, 2014 9:00 AM, Wendell Rodricks wendellrodri...@gmail.com wrote: In all the romp between Sheba and Solomon, someone forgot to mention the time ; ) W Sent from my iPad Wendell Rodricks, Campal, Panjim. GOA 403001. INDIA Off tel: +91-832-2420604, Shop tel: +91-832-2238177 Off email: rns.wend...@gmail.com On 13-Mar-2014, at 11:22 PM, Goanet News news.goa...@gmail.com wrote: From Victor Rangel-Ribeiro Friends, Romance writers, and countrymen (and women), fair warning! On Monday, March 17, I will be conducting the Goa String Orchestra in a concert of international classical music. The programme will begin with Handel's jolly Arrival of the Queen of Sheba, which foretells she will be having a jolly good time with King Solomon if he gets to the Kala Academy on time. To enhance the couple's amorous mood we will then play Edward Elgar's Salut d'amour, and follow that up with his Chanson de matin (Morning Song) to set the mood for when the royal philanderers finally wake up. The main work of the evening will be Mozart's very lively and tuneful early piano concerto No. 14 in E flat; the soloist will be Karl Lutchmayer, a Goan Brit who is a professor at the Trinity College of Music in London. We will also be playing Mozart's rousing Serenata Notturna for four string soloists and string ensemble. (I use the term rousing because, while one expects the normal serenade to be a quiet, romantic song that a lovestruck swain (are there still swains around, or are there only young fellows these days?) would softly croon beneath a loved one's window, in this particular serenade Mozart has the soloists cooing like lovebirds, while the rest of the group comes up with a boisterous response every time. The concert will end with a couple of surprise pieces that will fortunately be of very short duration. So do come in with a group of as many friends and relatives as you can put together, and if classical music is not something you or your friends would waste an evening on, send me your enemies instead.
Re: [Goanet] Etê Etê Morhà
Dear Frederick, My very loving mother-in-law Cecilia Vaz, born in Oxel, used to sing it to my children and grandchildren: Ite Ite morha Morh na gara Pani pila dudu pila Uron ghela! To me it sounded like Marathi. Her father had been a planner with Kolhapur palace in the 1910s, when she was a child, so she may habve got it from him. Regards, Victor On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 3:40 PM, Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoron...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks very much for that Gabriel. Btw, how would it translate? Is it Konkani or Marathi? And when was this rhyme popular in Goa, in what context? Many thanks, FN On 10 December 2013 12:59, DeFigueiredo, Gabriel gabriel.defigueir...@cgi.com wrote: Hi Rico, Perhaps you want Into into bhois rê môrá Pimpã-kará Pimpã sandun-nú môr-u Gheló ghará Regards, *Gabriel * -- FN Phone +91-832-2409490 Mobile +91-9822122436 Blog: The View From My Window http://wp.me/1c1F About.me: http://about.me/noronhafrederick Goa,1556: http://bit.ly/Goa1556Books2
Re: [Goanet] Margaret Mascrenhas on Jerry Pinto
Dear Gabe, I take it that you were in full possession of your faculties, and also in full possession of all the facts, when you wrote that all the men involved need to be castrated? Very best regards, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 1:38 PM, Eugene Correia eugene.corr...@gmail.com wrote: Read Sobha De in The Week; http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/MMOnline.dll/portal/ep/theWeekContent.do?tabId=13contentId=15662315programId=10350717categoryId=-1073908135 Here's a para: An equally disturbing charge has been levelled against a Goan writer, accused of stalking, harassing and, get this, flashing. His victims are six women who, for reasons best known to them, kept quiet for two years, but are now ready to charge this sick man. The indignation does not stop with the pervert. The women he repeatedly offended, are even more upset by the man’s influential friends who refused to acknowledge their complaints. Adding insult to injury is writer Jerry Pinto’s response to the charges against 'the flasher'. As one of the key organisers of the Goa Arts and Literary Festival, his was a dismissive one liner: “Strong women can never be molested.” While rejoinders to Pinto’s comments were all over Twitter, it was Mumbai Mirror that broke the story and unleashed an avalanche of anti-Jerry reactions. What happens next will be interesting to monitor. There is an attempt by a bunch of senior Goa-based writers to shield the culprit. This should surprise nobody. What is important is that women have decided ‘enough is enough’. Nobody is likely to be spared after this seminal moment that has united women across the country like never before. Eugene
Re: [Goanet] Query about: Victor Parajoti
Dear Frederick, I'll certainly be able to help here. Victor Paranjoti was a good friend of mine from 1949 until 1956, when I left for the US. As music critic first for the National and Sunday Standards and then for the Times of India, I supported all his music-making activities, and covered both the Madrigal Singers concerts and the other major concert group that he founded. We also lunched together at ACC every Thursday. Warm regards, Victor From: Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoron...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 10:07 PM Subject: [Goanet] Query about: Victor Parajoti An intriguing personality whom I've like to know more about. Can anyone point me to suitable online resources? Also, can you help to build/correct this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Paranjoti FN -- FN Land +91-832-240-9490 Cell +91-982-212-2436 f...@goa-india.org
Re: [Goanet] Request: Help to buy and send two books from the US
Dear Frederick, What are the two books you are looking for? I'll gladly do this for you! Regards, Victor From: Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoron...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 6:58 AM Subject: [Goanet] Request: Help to buy and send two books from the US Dear all: Can anyone help me on this one please? I need someone to buy and despatch to Goa a couple of reasonably-priced books from the US. In return I will send two books from Goa. Kindly let me know if possible. Thanks in advance! FN -- FN Land +91-832-240-9490 Cell +91-982-212-2436 f...@goa-india.org
Re: [Goanet] Goa: sunsets mystics. By Frederick Noronha
This is the best machine translation I have seen to date. The machine is almost human! But debauchery on a Goan beach? I must have my head in the sand. Victor From: Eddie Fernandes eddie.fernan...@gmail.com To: 'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!' goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, July 26, 2013 1:18 AM Subject: [Goanet] Goa: sunsets mystics. By Frederick Noronha Machine translation from the Spanish: 25 Jul: ABC (Spain). Lured by its idyllic beaches, hypnotic sunsets and relaxed life, the hippies of the 70s descended on the former Portuguese enclave of Goa as an oasis of fun amidst the misery that plagued India. Wrapped by a mystical halo, Goa is flooded each season by thousands of 'backpackers' seeking to pour into 'trance' music clubs and 'rave' parties on the beach. Besides entertainment and debauchery, the coast of Goa also offers secluded beaches full of coconut and palm trees, such as Arambol Mandrem, Agonda and Patnem, to enjoy its legendary sunsets when the sky turns red at sunset and merges with the turquoise blue sea . ayurvedic massages are available at quite affordable prices . Machine translation at http://bit.ly/15NJiVN For the Spanish original, go to http://www.abc.es/viajar/playas/20130725/abci-playas-asia-201306070944_5.htm l
Re: [Goanet] Fwd:
Thanks, Augusto, for keeping me informed. Very interesting development. Musicians from six foreign countries have been brought in, probably at great expense. Fascinating. Victor From: augusto pinto pinto...@gmail.com To: Augusto Pinto pinto...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, July 8, 2013 6:24 AM Subject: [Goanet] Fwd: Although this may be off-topic I think there are many who might be interested in it. -- Forwarded message -- From: Alito Siqueira alito.sique...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:01 PM Subject: Re: To: Augusto Pinto pinto...@gmail.com * * *Western Music at Goa University* * * The Goa University is offering a lecture series with live music demonstrations which will be held twice a week starting from 10 July 2013 until 14 August 2013 at Goa University. The course is titled “Western music in dialogue with the arts, history and philosophy” and is open to public free of costs. The course is being conducted by Professor Santiago Lusard Girelli currently the Anthony Gonsalves Visiting Chair for Western Music at Goa University, from the Music Faculty of the University of Seville. The participating faculty include musicians from Colombia, Switzerland, Germany, Spain, Argentina and Italy. The course covers themes from Gregorian chants through Romantic Music and twentieth century and contemporary music. The course is peep into understanding the role of Music in European History in diverse fields. Students of the University from any discipline who take the fifteen contact hour course will earn One Credit towards their degree. For details and registration contact the Department of Management Studies or http://unigoa.wordpress.com/ for details and registration forms. The last date for enrolment is July 9th. Professor Santiago Lusard Girelli will also start the first Goa University Choir. Participation in the Choir is open to public who must be auditioned. This is a opening to receive training under a world class conductor. Contact: Dr. Luis Dias at cell: 9011051950 or l...@childsplayindia.org -- Augusto Pinto 40, Novo Portugal Moira, Bardez Goa, India E pinto...@gmail.com P 0832-2470336 M 9881126350
Re: [Goanet] Two short story writers in Portuguese
Very sorry to hear about your illness, Alfred!Best wishes for a quick recovery,Victor --- On Wed, 3/27/13, Alfred de Tavares alfredtava...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Alfred de Tavares alfredtava...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Two short story writers in Portuguese To: GOANET Lists goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Wednesday, March 27, 2013, 5:33 PM Rico, you have made my day. Will reply soon with not one but a bushel of Walfridian lore. Am, mercilessly, laid down--read attached to bed--with my breathing problem--much aggravated...augmebted by 'athros' and diabolic diabetes. I am, p'haps, quite the last one of that generation,...that painted the town scarlet... Ask Pio, verilly the last of our man-of-the-bar. Alfred de Tavares, Stockholm From: fredericknoron...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2013 13:37:33 +0530 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Two short story writers in Portuguese A friend was on the lookout for information about two Goans who wrote short stories in Portuguese: Walfrido Antão and Augusto do Rosário Rodrigues. If anyone could share a brief bio of these writers, I'd be very grateful. FN -- FN Land +91-832-240-9490 Cell +91-982-212-2436 f...@goa-india.org Goa,1556 titles: http://bit.ly/Goa1556Books2 Links to my books: http://fredericknoronha1.wix.com/fngoaindia
Re: [Goanet] Parsi Surnames
Dear Luis, Where did you come across the Parsi surname, Sodawaterbottleopenerwallah? I believe that that surname does not exist. . Regards, Victor --- On Thu, 3/28/13, Luis Vas luissr...@gmail.com wrote: From: Luis Vas luissr...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Parsi Surnames To: Date: Thursday, March 28, 2013, 8:54 AM Parsi Surnames This article appeared in The Tribune, There was prohibition in Bombay those days. So to get liquor you had to find Mr. Dalal, who would introduce you to Mr. Daruwala, who in turn would get bottles delivered to your home by Mr. Batliwala who would be accompanied by Mr. Sodawaterbottleopenerwalla (the longest Parsi surname I have come across). Other surnames whose ancestors were in the beverages trade were Mr. Fountainwala, Mr. Ginwala, Mr Rumwala, Mr. Sodawala and Mr. Jhunjhunwala. We used to have two delightful Siamese kittens in our flat and these were gifted to my mother by her friend Mrs. Billimoria. My mother spent hours knitting cardigans for them, with wool she bought from the Unwala family. My uncle ran the air force canteen in Cotton Green and his partner, yes you guessed it, was Mr. Canteenwala. They had this fantastic cook, Mr. Bhajiwala. Their mild and meek manager, Mr. Jeejeebhoy, nodded his head and agreed with everything everybody said. My grandfather built Hotel Waldorf on Arthur Bunder Road in Colaba. So for this he naturally used the services of Mr. Contactor and Mr. Mistry. He never went to the conservative moneylenders when short of money, but borrowed it from his Parsi friend Mr. Readymoney. I remember going to Dr. Doctor's sister's wedding. She married Mr. Screwala. What he did for a living, I do not know to this day. If you are in Mumbai maybe you can track him down in the yellow or pink pages. The Parsis have taught us that if you take serious interest in satire, you can change the world! A Goan
Re: [Goanet] freedom fighters
Dear Gabe, You write: We had to help our parents as well as our children. The next generation are not obliged. And that is indeed a shame, but not all members of the next generation behave in such an uncaring manner. Regards, Victor --- On Wed, 3/6/13, Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com wrote: From: Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] freedom fighters To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Wednesday, March 6, 2013, 5:23 AM On 26 February 2013 21:57, manuel tavares duk...@bell.net wrote: Regarding to Eugene Correia's Article: It is a pity that Laura has ended in this state. I had the privilege to attend her Lecture, when she came to Kenya with Prof Lucio Rodrigues. She was elegant in her white Sari and spoke so well and passionately. Perhaps as you say, in old age, she was overcome by maladies which affect the human brain. It was very disheartening to learn that the Goa Freedom Fighters Association did not issue a condolence message. Perhaps it is as Shakespeare put it . The Evil that we do lives after us the good is oft' interred with our bones. So let it be with Laura. For those who knew her, her passion and devotion to the cause of Goa's Liberation cannot be forgotten and perhaps history will be kind to her and afford her her rightful place in Goa's Dossier. Manuel (Eddie) Tavares. COMMENT: It is not just a pity but a profound tragedy when kith and kin will not come forward to do the right thing. At lease she got a burial with all rites performed. Here is an announcement courtesy GVUK:- *Looking For: Family of Eluina Louzado (Nairobi)* 5 Mar: Goan Welfare Society, Nairobi. Mrs Eluina Louzado, aged 86 passed away recently in in Nairobi. Her Baptism name is Josephine. Her children are Gregory, William and Freda and are believed to be in the UK. Please contact by Email gwsnew...@gmail.com Then there is the case of an elderly Bachelor Goan who died in St. George's Hospital Tooting,( Ex Mombasa) nobody knows whether he was given a decent burial - there is talk that he was given a pauper's grave along with 12 others. The Goans of Tooting know about this man and I find it hard to believe that no one approached the Goan Welfare Service for assistance. He did not die penniless, he had two people as co signatories on his Bank accounts - I know his because he had told me so. The time has come, that one should not rely on children or family. My generation was caught with a double whammy, we had to help our parents as well as our children. The next generation are not obliged. -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
Re: [Goanet] Two Goan Poets
Dear Prof. Williams, I assume that you must be aware that Laxmanrao Sardessai's son, Manohar Rai Sardessai, was also a poet, who wrote poetry in three languages---Portuguese, English and French, and possibly also in Marathi. I contacted Manohar Rai Sardessai's son Sunil on your behalf and he has just told me that you can send him an email at sardessa...@gmail.com. He will then talk to his mother and have her grant you the permission you need. If you tell me which Goan poets you are featuring, I may just be able to add one or two more to your list. With thanks and deep appreciation for what you are doing, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro (author of the novel 'Tivolem' and other works) --- On Fri, 3/1/13, Fred Williams frederick_willi...@byu.edu wrote: From: Fred Williams frederick_willi...@byu.edu Subject: [Goanet] Two Goan Poets To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Cc: Fred Williams frederick_willi...@byu.edu Date: Friday, March 1, 2013, 7:37 PM Dear Sir, I am Professor Frederick G. Williams, a member of the Department of Spanish and Portuguese of Brigham Young University, Provo, UT, USA. I am seeking help in finding the son or grandson of poet Laxmanrao Sardessai (1904-1986) and also of poet Raghunath Vishnu Pandit (1917-1990), in order to obtain permission to include some of their poems in Portuguese in a forthcoming book of mine, entitled Poets of Portuguese Asia: Goa, Macao, East Timor. I would very much appreciate any email contacts you could give me that would help me get in touch with them. Thank you, Frederick G. Williams
Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis
Dear Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcao, Was it not unjustified when we were forced to become Portuguese, in an overseas province no less, through Salazar's fiat? Regards, Victor --- On Thu, 1/10/13, Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão drferdina...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão drferdina...@hotmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis To: goa...@goanet.org goa...@goanet.org Date: Thursday, January 10, 2013, 3:44 PM Is it not Goans forced to be someone, other than what one is; Unjustified? Read here what the President said: http://www.dn.pt/inicio/opiniao/interior.aspx?content_id=1605529 Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis
Dear Mr. Froilano Lobo, If you are going to revisit the missed choices of history, we should go back a bit farther and complain that Salazar should have offered us a whole series of options, including choice between membership in a Portuguese commonwealth, and full freedom, and stupidly did neither. Why just pin blame on the Indian Union, and exonerate our Portuguese masters? Regards, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro (Victor Rangel is/was my cousin) --- On Wed, 1/9/13, floriano lobo floriano.l...@gmail.com wrote: From: floriano lobo floriano.l...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2013, 10:42 PM Dear Victor Rangel, Sir, There may be a lot of truth in what Bernado says about Opinion Poll. Yes. Opinion Poll saved the skins of Goan and kept Goa from being wiped off the map of the World. But then, the Opinion Poll gave us Goans just two choices. 1. To Merge with Maharashtra 2. To be Unified with India as it's Union Territory [which later became one of it's STATES]. There should have been another slot on that ballot. 3. REMAIN OUT OF THE INDIAN UNION [YES/NO] This would have given true representation not requiring India to hold the much talked about plebiscite after 1961 In that case persons like Bernado and many others including 'moi' would be greatly pleased and RESTED. Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 www.goasu-raj.org - Original Message - From: Victor Rangel-Ribeiro vrangel...@yahoo.com To: Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk; estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2013 3:09 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis Dear Bernado, Once again, another example of your brilliant logic! A plebiscite was not held in 1962; that would have given us Goans a chance to decide our own future. You say this was obviously the work of crooks and criminals who came into Goa by force in 1961. Then you complain about the Opinion Poll, which allowed us to keep our own identity rather than being submerged in Maharashtra. You say that this Poll, which helped us Goans, was also the work of crooks and criminals who came into Goa by force in1961. Are you secretly pro-Maharashtra, Bernado, the very thing you accused JC of being? Bernado! Bernado! Think, before you thimk! And thimk, before you write. Ay ay ay! Regards, anyway, for providing today's entertainment. Victor --- On Tue, 1/8/13, Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis To: goanet@lists.goanet.org goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Tuesday, January 8, 2013, 8:55 AM Why was there no plebiscite to accept ghanti rule in 1962? Why was the opinion poll orchestrated, and that too in 1967. This could only be the work of crooks and criminals who came into Goa by force in 1961. BC For that matter .. HOW does anyone KNOW what the majority of Goans wanted in 1962? ? One can know that the majority of Goans residing in Goa did not want to renounce their decreed Indian citizenship, and register themselves as Portuguese nationals because they were given a chance to do this. For some this could be out of fear. But for many this was out of choice or indifference. In 1967 we know that 43.5% wanted to join the state of Maharashtra. So they could not have wanted to be Portuguese citizens or free themselves from India. Of the remaining 56.5%, 54.2% voted for Goa to remain a union territory of India. It is well known that a significant percentage of these wanted Goa to be a full fledged state within India. So even if a two-thirds majority of this segment wanted to secede from India, they would only amount to an overall minority of 36.1% against a coalition of 61.6% opting to remain Indian citizens. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis
Dear Bernado, Once again, another example of your brilliant logic! A plebiscite was not held in 1962; that would have given us Goans a chance to decide our own future. You say this was obviously the work of crooks and criminals who came into Goa by force in 1961. Then you complain about the Opinion Poll, which allowed us to keep our own identity rather than being submerged in Maharashtra. You say that this Poll, which helped us Goans, was also the work of crooks and criminals who came into Goa by force in1961. Are you secretly pro-Maharashtra, Bernado, the very thing you accused JC of being? Bernado! Bernado! Think, before you thimk! And thimk, before you write. Ay ay ay! Regards, anyway, for providing today's entertainment. Victor --- On Tue, 1/8/13, Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis To: goanet@lists.goanet.org goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Tuesday, January 8, 2013, 8:55 AM Why was there no plebiscite to accept ghanti rule in 1962? Why was the opinion poll orchestrated, and that too in 1967. This could only be the work of crooks and criminals who came into Goa by force in 1961. BC For that matter .. HOW does anyone KNOW what the majority of Goans wanted in 1962? ? One can know that the majority of Goans residing in Goa did not want to renounce their decreed Indian citizenship, and register themselves as Portuguese nationals because they were given a chance to do this. For some this could be out of fear. But for many this was out of choice or indifference. In 1967 we know that 43.5% wanted to join the state of Maharashtra. So they could not have wanted to be Portuguese citizens or free themselves from India. Of the remaining 56.5%, 54.2% voted for Goa to remain a union territory of India. It is well known that a significant percentage of these wanted Goa to be a full fledged state within India. So even if a two-thirds majority of this segment wanted to secede from India, they would only amount to an overall minority of 36.1% against a coalition of 61.6% opting to remain Indian citizens. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] Does this document prove my nationality?
Dear Bernado, If it is by an accident of history that Goans are now Indian (or bharatis, as you prefer to call us, rather contemptuously), by the same logic it was also an accident of history that made some of us think we were Portuguese. Since the accident of 1961 came after the accident of 1510, I'm afraid that the period from 1962 onwards represents the current reality. Wake up! Salazar is dead. Even Pide is dead. The world is moving on. Regards, Victor --- On Mon, 1/7/13, Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [Goanet] Does this document prove my nationality? To: goanet@lists.goanet.org goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Monday, January 7, 2013, 12:28 AM We Goans born before the invasion are Portuguese nationals. (Even Manohar Parricar has proudly and publicly announced that he is Portuguese) Now because of accident of history we are forced to become citizens of bharat (minus persia and thailand). I hope you understand that intent or no intent is not the problem. I am not sure in your case (xri Noronha) because since you are born in Sao Paulo, you may have to register at the conservatorio over there. BC Is there any reason for registering a birth in Portugal (apart from intending to apply for nationality)? Just curious about what the procedure/practise is... Of course, one might not follow the other. But wouldn't it be fair to assume that intent is there? FN
Re: [Goanet] PIDE- Portugal's secret Police
Dear Bernado, I am learning so much from you today! Forced decolonization---that is such a lovely phrase! It implies that the colonies should not have been decolonized, would not have been decolonized, could not have been decolonized, unless some stupid fool idiot people had forced the colonizers to finally decolonize what they should not have colonized in the first place! So many accidents of history, to complicate our understanding of history! In this interesting post, are you also saying that Frelimo fighters and other African freedom seekers, once they got their own freedom, moved to shanty towns around Lisbon, and thousands of them died in the civil war in Portugal? Was there a civil war in Portugal? Of course there was! The War of the Carnations! We, the people of Bharat, eagerly await your next post. Regards, Victor --- On Mon, 1/7/13, Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: [Goanet] PIDE- Portugal's secret Police To: goanet@lists.goanet.org goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Monday, January 7, 2013, 1:21 AM What Merv does not inform the reader of GN is the aftermath of forced decolonization. Many of the Frelimo, Renamo, MPLA, UNITA, Holden Roberto, PAIGC went to live in the shanty towns around Amadora - Lisbon. Countless died in the civil war. Who enjoyed at the end were the bloody Russians, as they are now doing in Goa. BC
Re: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes
Thanks for pointing that out, Gabriel. I know there are portable public toilets in Pangim, but I do not recall seeing public toilets in any of the villages I have visited, and I drive around quite a bit. But since a beginning has been made in the cities, we must hope that toilets will eventually be introduced in the villages as well. Warm regards to yourself and your loved ones, I remember the pleasant hours Lea and I spent in your home, the Beethoven sonata you performed, and the vegetable garden in your backyard! Victor --- On Sun, 1/6/13, Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au wrote: From: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au Subject: Re: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Sunday, January 6, 2013, 10:32 AM I am sorry to say, Victor, that you did not read my message correctly. I asked, Are there any functional public toilets in the area? in response to Bernice's post. If there are no functional toilets in the area, there is no point complaining. Motivate the panchayats and local government bodies to build such public conveniences first. From: Victor Rangel-Ribeiro vrangel...@yahoo.com To: Bernice Pereira bernicepere...@yahoo.com; estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Sunday, 6 January 2013 5:53 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes Dear Bernice and Gabriel, In my village, which is no different from most other villages, some of my neighbours take in extra boarders, in direct violation of panchayat regulations. Panchayat rules also decree that people who do this should provide ex number of toilet inside their house in proportion to the number of boarder they take in. However, the homeowners do not provide such amenities, and instead ask their boarders to go and defecate in the woods and the hill slop behind our house and other people's houses as well. While you complain about uncouth Indian hordes, what do you think about our own Goan homeowners in the situation I have just described? What epithet would you like to use to describe them? Are we not uncouth ourselves? And if you tell me that only some of us are uncouth, I would remind you that the same applies to those we have been attacking. Only some of our visitors are uncouth, as opposed to the millions of Indians who are not. Very best regards to the two of you, and also to BC, who is probably dying to pitch in. Victor --- On Fri, 1/4/13, Bernice Pereira bernicepere...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Bernice Pereira bernicepere...@yahoo.com Subject: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Friday, January 4, 2013, 12:12 PM Are there any functional public toilets in the area? by Gabriel de Figueiredo. Good question. Probably no functioning public toilets. The stinking masses that invade Goa during this time don't need functioning toilets, any place is fit to defecate...the beaches,the fields...you name it. Nobody stops or fines them you see. Bernice
Re: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes
Dear Vivian, The answer is to show them the toilet and to show them how to use it, if they don't know how to use it. But what I see in many of the posts is just mass prejudice, blaming the sins of some on a billion other people. Regards, Victor --- On Sat, 1/5/13, Vivian A. DSouza socorro...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Vivian A. DSouza socorro...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Saturday, January 5, 2013, 10:22 PM The behaviour of domestic tourists in India is most likely due to the potrayal of Goans in Indian movies as drunks and the women having loose morals. So they come to Goa thinking that they can have easy pickings. As for their sanitary habits, they behave just the way that is normal for them in the areas that they come from. Regarding toileting habits, I had a toilet and a small house built specially to house the occasional migrant worker that I hired when I first came to Goa. I asked them to use the toilet instead of defecating around my property or the adjoining properties. I did not trealize that these migrant workers had never seen a modern toilet with a flushing system. They just defecated until the toilet bowl was full without once pulling the flushing chain. When several days later I asked one of my Goan workers to check on the toilet, they reported the unbearable scene. So having a toilet available for people used to defecating in the woods is not the answer.
Re: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes
Dear Bernice and Gabriel, In my village, which is no different from most other villages, some of my neighbours take in extra boarders, in direct violation of panchayat regulations. Panchayat rules also decree that people who do this should provide ex number of toilet inside their house in proportion to the number of boarder they take in. However, the homeowners do not provide such amenities, and instead ask their boarders to go and defecate in the woods and the hill slop behind our house and other people's houses as well. While you complain about uncouth Indian hordes, what do you think about our own Goan homeowners in the situation I have just described? What epithet would you like to use to describe them? Are we not uncouth ourselves? And if you tell me that only some of us are uncouth, I would remind you that the same applies to those we have been attacking. Only some of our visitors are uncouth, as opposed to the millions of Indians who are not. Very best regards to the two of you, and also to BC, who is probably dying to pitch in. Victor --- On Fri, 1/4/13, Bernice Pereira bernicepere...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Bernice Pereira bernicepere...@yahoo.com Subject: [Goanet] Uncouth Indian hordes To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Friday, January 4, 2013, 12:12 PM Are there any functional public toilets in the area? by Gabriel de Figueiredo. Good question. Probably no functioning public toilets. The stinking masses that invade Goa during this time don't need functioning toilets, any place is fit to defecate...the beaches,the fields...you name it. Nobody stops or fines them you see. Bernice
Re: [Goanet] GOA LIBERATION RETROSPECT Adv. Antonio Lobo
Dear Marcos, Your family and mine have had a familial relationship going back to my father's time, which began in 1881. I therefore take what you write very seriously and give your words the weight they deserve. I have read your current post very carefully. You have given us your own eyewitness account of having seen cases of liquor stacked in the room of an Indian Army man who like you was staying at the Mandovi Hotel in 1962. You have given us your revered relative Mons. Gomes-Catao's account of Indian army personnel stealing plumbing equipment from Old Goa churches. These are obvious examples of wrongdoing that I join you in condemning. However, earlier in your post you mention Adv. Antonio Lobo not delving into the suffering faced by the general populace at the hands of army personnel in the form of robberies, rapes, harrassment and intimidation, which are widely known perhaps to survivors of my generation but difficult to raise... without [being able to cite] specific instances. Then, to make your accusations stick, you add: However, I do recollect some specific cases of which I was a witness or [on which] I got information from impeccable sources. Those impeccable sources included yourself, a taxi driver, and the Monseigneur. I accept them all. But that testimony referred only to thefts of goods, not to rapes. You have proven to my satisfaction that stuff was stolen, but you have not produced a jot of evidence that there were numerous rapes. People keep accusing the Indian Army of committing multiple rapes, but that charge is unsubstantiated. My own oldest sister, now deceased, who hated the thought of Goa being invaded, admitted to me that very few rapes had been committed by the Indian troops. And when I pressed her on this, and asked, How many?, she could only point to two. The reports of multiple rapes are a canard, and I am sorry to see someone of your stature perpetuating them by saying they are widely known perhaps to survivors of my generation. I am such a survivor, and I have spoken to other survivors who lived in Goa at the time, and some of them are my cousins, but they had no personal knowledge of multiple rapes being committed by the Indian Army, only hearsay. Significantly, the hearsay came from people who had an interest in smearing an army that had routed their Portuguese heroes. With my very best personal regards, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro --- On Sat, 1/5/13, Jean Marcos Catao cata...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Jean Marcos Catao cata...@yahoo.com Subject: [Goanet] GOA LIBERATION RETROSPECT Adv. Antonio Lobo To: goanet@lists.goanet.org goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Saturday, January 5, 2013, 11:07 AM It was heartening to read the exposition on the unbecoming travails imposed on some prominent GOANS by the PROCONSUL sent to GOA after Operation VIJAY, who behaved even more arrogantly than the Roman Cesars. It was specially encouraging that the courageous expose was not censored. Adv. Antonio Lobo was gracious enough to confine himself to the problems faced by some eminent GOANS not delving into the suffering faced by the general populace at the hands of army personnel in the form of robberies, rapes, harassment and intimidation, which are widely known perhaps to survivors of my generation but difficult to raise because of the inevitable comment that would follow about the lack of validity of speaking in general terms, without specific instances.However, I do recollect some speciific cases of which I was a witness or got information from impeccabel sources. I was in GOA in early January 1962, staying in one of the front rooms of Hotel Mandovi. People familiar with the hotel will know it is possible to peep into the neighbouring room, from the verandah of each front room (facing the river). My neighbour was a Colonel of the JAT Regiment ( a Sikh) and piled at the foot of his bed was an array of two layers of alcoholic beverage boxes rising more than halfway to the ceiling, each containing twelve bottles. There must have been 16-22 boxes. Obviously, an Indian army Colonel's emoluments would nothave sufficed to defray the expenses of such a bonanza!How did they land there? Then, driving from the hotel to the Patriarchal Palace in Altinho, the taxi driver pointed out to me the house of a prominent industrialist, with a gaping hole in thefront wall covered by a makeshift wooden plank, broken down by invading miscreants intent on robbery. And who has not heard of the then current jibe that the I.N.S. Mysore almost sank on the way back to Bombay with the weight of the electronic and other looted goods? Also, the Portuguese in 1960 had renovated some of the churches in Old Goa, installing modern sanitary system and equipment.On 21st December, my uncle, Mons. F.X. Gomes-Catao who, as a Canon had to live in one so as to be able to participate in the daily Matins Vespers, was amazed to find
Re: [Goanet] Goa is all beached up?
Dear Frederick, That was quite an impressive list. Please add my name as one who keeps coming back and trying to make improvements on limited time, with perhaps insignificant results, but I will keep on trying until Yama says time's up! Warm regards, Victor --- On Sat, 12/22/12, Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote: From: Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoro...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa is all beached up? To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Saturday, December 22, 2012, 12:33 PM On 19 December 2012 18:47, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote: 2: VRR, may I state that your advice to Bernado is a well known and fruitless cliché. I submit that NO ONE can COME BACK and truly IMPROVE anything. If you know anybody who has returned and improved anything, please advise. My list is below (and it's far from complete or comprehensive... just a few names that come to mind). Of course, to paraphrase GBS, the will to not believe creates its own evidence: * Jack Sequeira * Wilfred de Souza (even though I disagree with the politics of the above two) (double FRCS) * Gerard Da Cunha (one of the earliest returnees, Godhra-born!) * Dean D'Cruz (architecture, returned in the 1980s) * Christopher Fonseca (trade unionism) * Claude Alvares (built a generation of environmentalists here) both above returning after generations and centuries! * Alexyz (cartooning) * Jos Peter D'Souza (advocate) * Dr Raghunath 'Germania' Shirodkar Then, there are more who decided not to leave in the first place, and work to improve things from ground up. Among them: * Isabel Santa Rita Vas (theatre) * Dr Nandkumar Kamat (science, ecology, Goalogy) * Miguel Braganza (horticulture, campaigning, building social capital) There are many others whose story I may not be aware of Many stories are not documented either. One exception is this one: In 1975 a young Dr Raghunath Shirodkar quit his job in Germany and returned to Goa with the intention of doing something for his land. His experience in RD in batteries stood him in good stead as he set up Germania batteries with his younger brother Satish P Shirodkar. The company initially made only battery plates and supplied them to Bajaj Auto. Satish Shirodkar said, “We did this for 14 years. Despite having a large market share it was not very profitable. We then decided to branch out.” They shifted their focus from manufacturing plates to batteries. Not many people are aware that it was Dr Shirodkar who suggested reduction in the content of antimonial alloy from the existing 5% to 1.8% in battery plates which helped reduce the price of batteries in India by a third. “This was possible by introducing new technology” said Satish. http://www.thegoan.net/story.php?id=6
Re: [Goanet] Are you in Goa this year-end?
Dear Frederick, Do keep me informed of the Dec. 27 plans, but by email, please. Regards, Victor --- On Sat, 12/22/12, Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoron...@gmail.com wrote: From: Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoron...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Are you in Goa this year-end? To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Saturday, December 22, 2012, 5:42 AM Do join us at the Goanetters' meet on Dec 27, 2012 morning in Panjim (details coming soon). If you'd like to be kept in touch with our plans please SMS me at 9822122436 with your name and contacts. FN -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org f...@goa-india.org
Re: [Goanet] Greeting:
Dear Dan Driscoll, It felt good to hear from you. Your friends here in Goa miss you. Warm regards to warm you in a cold clime, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro --- On Sat, 12/22/12, DAN DRISCOLL driscoll@gmail.com wrote: From: DAN DRISCOLL driscoll@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Greeting: To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org, Frederick FN Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com Date: Saturday, December 22, 2012, 9:41 AM I'm not sure if I can now post on GoaPost. With good wishes to All, I take a line from my revered philosopher/scientist writer-guru Pierre Teilhard de Chardin: *We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience.*
Re: [Goanet] Goa is all beached up?
Dear Bernado, I'm a bit confused by your note. You say Goa is no longer a paradise because something terribly bad happened in Delhi? Instead of whining endlessly, why don't you come back to Goa and help us improve things, Bernado? Obviously we need people of your historical insights and high moral character here. Very best regards. Victor --- On Tue, 12/18/12, Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: From: Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goa is all beached up? To: Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoro...@gmail.com, estb. 1994! Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Tuesday, December 18, 2012, 1:44 AM Very true. With its flaws Goa was a paradise until 61. Today even the bharats who invaded us now acknowledge the fact of living in a civilized society or whatever is left of it. Just imagine how it is in their parts. Take for example the recent rape of a college student in a bus and dumped on the road side in the capital of the shining india. Atrocious innit? BC And before that? Was it paradise till 1961? FN On 18 December 2012 10:08, Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Goa is a beached whale caught for 5 decades in an uncivilized regime. BC
Re: [Goanet] the fascinating Portuguese study
Dear Jose, I agree totally with your elegant analysis, and accept Gabriel's explanation. Of course, if IAF fighters took off from Pune at 3.30 in the morning, the planes from Goa were long gone by then. Warm regards to you both, Victor --- On Sat, 10/27/12, J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com wrote: From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com Subject: Re: the fascinating Portuguese study To: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au Cc: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org, vrangel...@yahoo.com vrangel...@yahoo.com Date: Saturday, October 27, 2012, 11:06 AM 1: Gabriel @ http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2012-October/226237.html the last TAIP flight took off overladen with the last of the families of the Portuguese in the dead of night. The Indian airforce, according to Bharat-Rakshak, was scrambled TO GIVE CHASE 2: VRR (to Gabriel) @ http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2012-October/226257.html Contrary to what you say about Indian fighter jets being scrambled TO SHOOT DOWN the fleeing refugee plane 3: Gabriel (correcting himself by quoting Bharat-Rakshak) @ http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2012-October/226268.html 'After landing at Poona, we were ordered off again (...) TO INTERCEPT a target aircraft heading in a NNW direction off the coast, we never made contact.' Gabriel added: Give chase may have been too strong a word that I used. COMMENT: 1: I submit that the phrase Give chase is actually milder than the term Intercept'. 2: In error (no doubt), VRR misread/misquoted give chase as shoot down. jc
Re: [Goanet] Why India Invaded Goa
Dear Gabriel, others, There's a fascinating Portuguese study, just become public, that throws an incredible light on that episode and others connected with the events of December 18, 19, 1961. Contrary to what you say about Indian fighter jets being scrambled to shoot down the fleeing refugee plane, the Portuguese researches claim the Indian Air Force pilots had explicit instructions not to interfere with the flight. I'll post more on these episodes later in the week. Regards to all, Victor --- On Wed, 10/24/12, Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au wrote: From: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au Subject: Re: [Goanet] Why India Invaded Goa To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2012, 9:31 AM As far as I am concerned, this is the same kind of propaganda paraded by the likes of military intelligence that had thousands of Portuguese troops all lined up at the borders of Goa, curfews, shoot-at-sight orders, supersonic fighters at Dabolim, etc. Reality was quite different, quite the opposite in fact. The thousands of Portuguese troops in all of Goa, Damao Diu numbered to less than 3000, there were no curfews, no shoot-at-sight orders, no supersonic fighters ever visited Goa (at least as far as I know). There was law and order not by force, but out of sheer habit and a strong moral conscience, which was probably the result of 450 years of Portuguese inculturation. Post invasion, there were curfews, people were indeed shot at by the Indian soldiery who shouted orders in Hindi (few Goans understood Hindi at the time). Bells tolled all over Goa over the death of a young boy who was shot dead at point-blank range, in broad day-light (according to Leo Lawrence). Time magazine has a contemporary article on pre and post invasion. Dabolim was, of course, pot-holed with bomb craters, and despite these craters (which were quietly patched up in the fading light of the evening, according to Mario Cabral e Sa), the last TAIP flight took off overladen with the last of the families of the Portuguese in the dead of night. The Indian airforce, according to Bharat-Rakshak, was scrambled to give chase, but the TAIP flight flew low to avoid radar detection, and Bharat Rakhak records that the plane could not be located by the Indian airforce. My personal experience was that I went to kindergarten right up to 14th December, the day when the school-bus didn't turn up. My mum and I went to the school (at Miramar, where cuurently a Lodge is located) by cab, and were told eles todos voltaram a Europa - they've all gone back to Europe). That afternoon saw scores of trucks laden with luggage and personal belongings of the portuguese soldiers and their families going down from Altinho in Pangim (there was a large barracks complete with a swimming pool, next to the Bishop's residence, and is now occupied by the Indian military), and by evening no taxis was to be found as they were commandeered by the Portuguese soldiers (in lieu of communications facilities, I understand, from an article by Gen. Carlos Azaredo). My Dad and I had to go the Hospital Escolar (as the old GMC hospital at Campal used to known by) by horse-carriage to visit my aunt who had delivered a baby girl on the 12th Dec. On the 18th Dec, the first thing I knew was strange-looking planes (looked like Sea Vixens) flying overhead (they were on their way to bomb Bambolim, a purely extravagant exercise from my point of view). All the neighbours came to our place to discuss what was happening. At around 4:00 pm in the afternoon, the archbishop went down the road from Altinho in miltary uniform (if I remember correctly), in a jeep, and saluted Dad as they drove past. Soon after, there was a thunderous noise, and my Dad remarked Lá vai a ponte de Banastarim - there goes the Banastarim bridge. Thereafter we all went to the Coelho's house opposite ours, and every-one started praying the rosary. We were there until maybe 7:30pm. It was darkness everywhere, and as far as I can recollect, it was the first time Panjim was in total darkness. The next day saw disorder at Palácio Idalcão, where Dad and I saw someone (probably Prabhakar Sinari) was ordering the burning of the furniture, pictures and documents, right in front of the statue of Abbe Faria. We quickly came back home, and noticed planes circling overhead. Now I know that the planes were cicrling Mormugão, where Gen Vassalo e Silva and his last troops were being rounded up. Interestingly, an article on Navhind Times of 20th October last, says And when Goa was liberated from the Portuguese rule by the Indian Army on December 19, 1961, the number of Goan families who migrated to Portugal was so large that it almost gained proportion of an exodus. Now why would they, the Goans, do that? You decide. Gabriel.
Re: [Goanet] Olimpio Coleto Rodrigues
In a way, Fr. Henry Heras certainly had a strong influence on me and on others who were in close contact with him at St. Xavier's College in the 1930s, '40s and the beginning '50s, but the ones he actually mentored were budding historians such as John Correia Afonso. Was Frank Moraes a history student?Regards,Victor e, --- On Sun, 9/23/12, Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoron...@gmail.com wrote: From: Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoron...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Olimpio Coleto Rodrigues To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Sunday, September 23, 2012, 8:26 PM Has anyone some information on Olimpio Coleto Rodrigues, who is believed to be an artist painting Indian Christian themes, influenced like Angelo de Fonseca by the Spanish Jesuit priest, archaeologist and historian in India Fr Henry (Enric Heras de Sicars) Heras? Is it true that Heras played a role in mentoring Frank Moraes too? FN -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org http://scr.bi/Goa1556Books | http://pinterest.com/fngoa/goa-1556-books/ http://bit.ly/GoaRecordings | http://pinterest.com/fngoa/books-on-goa/
Re: [Goanet] Journalist jobs in Canada
Well said, Jose. That is the reality. Regards, Victor From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Journalist jobs in Canada Frederick Noronha wrote: Dear all: A couple of my journalist friends (already in Canada) are on the lookout for suitable openings. If you have any pointers you could offer, kindly get in touch offlist. Many thanks! FN Dear FN, I am almost sure that you advised your journalist friends (perhaps, they advised themselves) the following: 1: Apply Apply even if there is no reply. 2: For starters, take whatever work which comes your way; even if it is non-journalism related. 3: The longer one waits without working, the longer one will wait. jc
Re: [Goanet] Lisbon Tram Ride (Part 1) - YouTube
Dear Gabriel, Unfortunately for you, but imagine how delighted certain groups from Pakistan would be if they could have a virtual tour of Bombay's streets, if they were armed to the teeth and looking for targets! What seems like paranoia to you might seem like plain common sense to others. Warm regards, Victor From: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Lisbon Tram Ride (Part 1) - YouTube Even better, you can take a virtual tour of most streets of Lisbon (and most European streets) via Googlemaps :-) Unfortunately such detail is not permitted in India and other paranoid countries. From: Con Menezes cmene...@tpg.com.au To: Goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012 2:43 PM Subject: [Goanet] Lisbon Tram Ride (Part 1) - YouTube Enjoy sightseeing in Lisbon by tram. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LgRtYYVSRRI
Re: [Goanet] Portuguese Wines for export with prices
Dear Joe Pereira, I found no catalogue had been attached. Please resend. Regards, V. Rangel-Ribeiro From: Joe Pereira winesofportu...@fatimasales.com To: goanet goa...@goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:29 PM Subject: [Goanet] Portuguese Wines for export with prices Dear Importer We are looking to establish an export of Portuguese wines to your area and would like very much if you would consider our products to include with your inventory. We are willing to give exclusivity of all our products, which also includes top quality virgin olive oil, for either your area or your country depending on the volume. Attached are the catalog of the wines and also a price list and some of the awards received. Portuguese Wine Production Portugal has long been a world leader in the production and export of wine. Of Portugal's eleven major wine regions, the Douro is by far the most significant to fine wine production. But another more modern success story in Portugal has to do with simple, sweet ros table wines that are sold under brand names like Mateus and Lancers. Although the heyday of simple roses may have passed, they remain popular worldwide and between these wines and Port, account for roughly 70% of Portuguese wine exports. What is unique about Portugal is the very large number (upwards of 500) of indigenous grape varietals. Even most wine experts are unfamiliar with the grapes that produce Port, Madeira or any other Portuguese wine. Older vineyards are planted with multiple grape varietals and as a result, sometimes these field blends are so varied that identifying all of the grapes isn't possible. When new vineyards are created, single plantings are now the norm. As modernization continues, Portugal is proving that in spite of a long history of contributions it still has undiscovered potential. Contacts: Joe Pereira Fatima, Portugal +351 912630289 +351302005703 fax MSN: avea...@hotmail.com GMAIL: jsguer...@gmail.com To be removed click reply and add REMOVE to your subject line and we will do our best to remove you from future mailing lists. Joe Pereira email: winesofportu...@fatimasales.com MSN: avea...@hotmail.com GMAIL: jsguer...@gmail.com SKYPE: havana7591 Tel.: +351249533118 Cell.: +351912630289 Fax: +351302005703 To be removed from this and future campaigns jsut reply to this email with REMOVE as the subject.
Re: [Goanet] Interview with Mervyn Maciel
Dear Selma, Unless the interviewees themselves have placed an embargo on the publication date, I would urge you to publish the interviews in full. It is time that some of the more controversial aspects of our social life were debated in public, so that public and private awareness is raised. Very best personal regards, Victor From: Gabe Menezes gabe.mene...@gmail.com To: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com; Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 8:48 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Interview with Mervyn Maciel On 25 March 2012 21:01, Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Roland, Thank you for your encouraging words. We have collected hours and hours of oral history covering every sort of topic from discrimination at work to segregated living to caste in East Africa. Unfortunately I will not be making any of that public right now. It will come into the public domain when it is lodged with the British Library. The reason being, as you may have noticed, our Goans are incapable of handling the least amount of introspection of their historical past. It is an unwritten rule almost that we must all believe our lives have been fantastical, ethical and almost mythical and any threat to that notion of ourselves comes under assault. So for now, only the most benign aspects of the interview will be made public. Take care, selma RESPONSE: I don't quite get what you are trying to impart here. That I/some others have questioned the veracity of a story? If so your best, so far interviewee, was of the same opinion! Wings clipped by the handlers, maybe? No more tit bits to whet our appetite? if so this is draconian, don't you think so? When time comes, we shall be given the whole caboodle, many will not bother. P.S. Tullow Oil, has just discovered oil in Turkana land and Moi is going gaga! In 1963, did someone in the House of Lords, push for the Northern Half to be given away to Somalia...a link that I had posted here! P.S. Just back from Catalunya, brought the Sunshine backhopefully song for a day will resume tom. -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] My Father's trace
John, you could also try posting your request on Africa-Orientalia. Regards, Victor From: Mervyn Elsie Maciel mervynels.watuwasha...@gmail.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2012 1:44 PM Subject: [Goanet] My Father's trace Dear John, I'm afraid I am not going to be much help here. Most of my service in Kenya was with the Provincial Administration, although I must admit I had many friends who worked for the Police department. Unfortunately, I spent a huge chunk of my time in the Northern deserts away from the attractions of Nairobi, so hadn't heard of your Dad. I'm sure those who worked in Nairobi will be able to help you and suggest you put out a similar request on Goan Voice(UK) and also Goan Voice Canada. Best wishes. Mervyn Maciel --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Who is going to come?
Dear Augusto, I have been urging Cecil to collect his columns into a book for years, but he does not listen. Perhaps we should start a petition? Nah!!! Regards, Victor From: augusto pinto pinto...@gmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 9:01 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Who is going to come? Dear Cecil, Five years down the line and your piece still reads as fresh as ever. If like me one has not noticed the publication date at the bottom, it is only when one gets to the paragraph below that one realises that the article is three years old (HCN has been neutered and goa plus is not on TV and Arvind Bhatikar is no longer on Prudent): So now I get watch my ‘stomach full’ of Goa 365, Herald News Channel, Prudent Media and even Goa Plus which intermittently appears between scratchy pirated Hindi movies on a channel called X5. Prudent has definitely been providing us viewers with the best election coverage. I had decided to boycott Prudent because it was owned by the dastardly Timblos but then I couldn’t avoid Sandesh’s innovative, provocative, entertaining and fair coverage. Now I have decided to boycott only what Arvind Bhatikar says and writes. Good going man! If the articles still read well despite passing the best by...then it is time to consider putting them together as a book. Cheers Augusto On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 11:03 PM, Cecil Pinto wrote: Who is going to come? Strangers in the line, exchanging glances By Cecil Pinto Over the last few days I have been following the local TV coverage of Goa election campaigning very keenly. Ok, ok! Maybe not as keenly as the coverage of IPL cheerleaders, but the former has been far more revealing. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Dr Pedro Alexandre award to cartoonist Alexyz
Wonderful news, Alexyz! A well-deserved honour. My heartiest congratulations. Warm personal regards, Victor From: Goanet A-C-E! goa...@goanet.org To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2012 10:15 AM Subject: [Goanet] Dr Pedro Alexandre award to cartoonist Alexyz Dr Pedro Alexandre award to cartoonist Alexyz The 5th Dr Pedro Alexandre Amor Cabral Adao memorial 2011 award will be awarded to cartoonist Alexyz Raphael Fernandes. Alexyz has been doing cartoons for over three decades in Goa for all the established newspapers and magazine. He has also cartooned for Bombay based papers like the Indian Express, The Sunday Observer, Midday, The Readers Digest, etc. Presently he does a daily cartoon for the Gomantak Times and monthly for Goa Today. The award has been institued by the Konkoni Songit Somajik Kala Kendra Taleigao in memory of the former Consul Geral de Portugal in Goa. The function will be held at Black Box, Kala Academy, Campal, Panjim, Goa on January 23 at 11.30am Alexyz most significant work included his long agitation to make Konkani the State language. He is the author of 4 books - SPORTOONS, HOWZZAT! A Century of Cricket Cartoons; Goa: Paradise Lost and Goa...Goan...Goaing...Gone..? The awards include: Jaycees Goa, Vincent Verodiana Award, USA, Special Award for Humor, Portugal. He has been invited for exhibitions from the House of Commons, England; San Francisco, USA; Toronto, Canada; Lisbon, Portugal; Kuwait and Dubai, UAE; Melbourme, Australia and Auckland, New Zealand. = First published in Gomantak Times, Goa - January 21, 2012 Goanet A-C-E! Arts ~ Culture ~ Entertainment www.goanet.org --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Goan Association (UK): President's Award for Services to the Goan Community
Congratulations, Selma, on your award! Warm personal regards, Victor From: Eddie Fernandes eddie.fernan...@gmail.com To: 'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!' goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2012 6:39 AM Subject: [Goanet] Goan Association (UK): President's Award for Services to the Goan Community 7 Jan: Goan Association (UK). Selma Carvalho (photo) is the recipient of the Goan Association (UK) annual President's award for services to the UK Goan Community. The award was announced at the Ball on 7th January 2012. Photo at www.goanvoice.org.uk Eddie Fernandes --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Tomazinho Cardozo declared 'Goan of the Year'
--- Annual Goanetters Meet --- Annual Goanetters Meet - January 3, 2012 - 12:30 - 2pm Tourist Hostel, near the Old Secretariat, Panaji (Panjim) Planning to attend? Send an email to eve...@goanet.org with contact details --- Congratulations to Tomazinho on a well-deserved award. Warm personal regards, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro From: Goanet News Service n...@goanet.org To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 11:16 AM Subject: [Goanet] Tomazinho Cardozo declared 'Goan of the Year' --- Annual Goanetters Meet --- Annual Goanetters Meet - January 3, 2012 - 12:30 - 2pm Tourist Hostel, near the Old Secretariat, Panaji (Panjim) Planning to attend? Send an email to eve...@goanet.org with contact details --- Tomazinho Cardozo declared ‘Goan of the Year’ Published on: December 31, 2011 - 01:56 More in: Goa News VASCO: The president of World Konkani Organisation and chairman of Goa Tiatr Akademi, Mr Tomazinho Cardozo has been declared ‘Goan of the Year-2011’ by the Federation of Goan Cultural Social and Literary Organisations which include the Goan Poets’ Forum, Janajagruti Manch of Margao, Saiyogam Kala Sangh of Headland-Sada, Konkonn Kala Vistar Kendra and ‘Swarashree’ of Vasco. At a meeting presided over by the noted Konkani poet, Mr Yusuf A Sheikh at a hotel, it was resolved unanimously to confer this coveted honour on Mr Cardozo in recognition of his distinguished service to Goans in different walks of life. Mr Sheikh, in a press statement issued here in Vasco on Friday, said that Mr Cardozo is blessed with divine grace to work tirelessly to serve Goans and to bring to the fore the unsung heroes of Goa. But for his initiative, the cherishing memories of the Goan artists, specifically kantorists and tiatrists whose remarkable contributions were ignored by the government institutions would have been erased forever; he said. He added that Mr Cardozo spearheaded Konkani movement in its totality whereas many others restricted themselves to one sphere of work or two. Mr Cardozo’s area of work was extremely wide as a playwright, an actor, a producer, a director, a singer, a poet and a lyricist and he is a shining example of boundless energy that ultimately involved masses in the language movement, added Mr Sheikh. Senior journalist, Mr Clerencio alias Kelly Furtado recalled Mr Cardozo’s involvement in Konkani stage activities right from his school days and further said that besides cultural stratum, his contribution to social awakening was notable. Precisely during the year 2011 he took up the issues of Goan identity and the problems of the Goans intensively through his articles in several Konkani and English periodicals, added Mr Furtado. Noted poet, Mr Ashok Raghuvir Chodankar said that Mr Cardozo’s contribution was recognised globally and he was rightly selected during 2011 as the president of the ‘Jagatik Konkanni Songhotton’. Mr Chodankar further said that Mr Cardozo was a symbol of unity who brought the writers belonging to Hindu, Muslim and Christian communities together and thus enlarged and encouraged development of Konkani language and literature. The president of Janajagruti Manch, Mr Pandharinath Damodar Lotlikar said that Mr Cardozo’s efforts in bringing hearts together, was laudable and that his contribution towards cultural renaissance in Goa was praiseworthy. His initiative could satisfy souls that regaled Goans for generations and, in turn, could attract a large number of youth in the process of preserving Goan identity, stated Mr Lotlikar. Saiyogam Kala Sangh president, Mr Umesh Fatji and the chairman of the Advisory Board of the Sangh, Mr Vishwanath Sawant, ‘Swarashree Goa’ president, Mr Ramanand Raikar, ‘Goan Poets’ Forum’ vice president and poet, Mr Anil Kamat Shankhwalkar, poet, Mr Cyril Fernandes and other members of the cultural organisations attended the meeting that favoured the resolution to declare Mr Cardozo as the ‘Goan of the Year-2011’. http://www.navhindtimes.in/goa-news/tomazinho-cardozo-declared-goan-year --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php
Re: [Goanet] Wendell's Mother Expires
--- Annual Goanetters Meet --- The annual Goanetters Meet is scheduled for the first week in January 2012. Details to follow. If you plan to attend, send an email to eve...@goanet.org with contact details so we could reach you once the details are finalized. --- My heart goes out to Wendell and his brothers in this hour of deep sorrow. May Greta's soul rest in eternal peace. Victor From: joe...@gmail.com joe...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 5:24 PM Subject: [Goanet] Wendell's Mother Expires *Wendell's Mother Expires* Greta Rodricks, mother of renowned fashion designer Wendell, expired on December 22 evening in Dubai, where she had been to visit her sons. She was ill for some time. She leaves behind her sons Wendell, Robin, Chester and Joel. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] The Happy Couple that. . . Cecil Pinto---Comment by Driscoll.
Dear Dan, Violet was Bemvinda`s sister, not her cousin, and either my classmate or a year behind at St. Xavier`s College in Bombay in the 1940s. Regards, Victor. From: DAN DRISCOLL driscoll@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] The Happy Couple that. . . Cecil Pinto---Comment by Driscoll. I think now I recall the name---Arthur Koestler, and it would have been somewhere in the 70 s, I think. I can see that you must have quite a story yourself. Did you ever happen to run into a couple by name Lannoy---Richard and Violet (Dias). They spent a good portion of the seventies in Paris, where I guess the going was tough---both of them social and artistic 'idealists' living from hand to mouth. Violet was first cousin to my wife (Germana Dinis) and to Bemvinda Dias, who taught at the Portuguese Secondary School at Panjim Althino. On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 5:46 AM, Alfred de Tavares alfredtava...@hotmail.com wrote: Dan, do you, perchance, have in mind, Andre Gorz and his wife, Dorine, co-suicides in 2007. He was 83. A life-long exponentt of Satre-vintage existentialism, he co-fpunded to iconic Le Nouvelle Observatoir, which I sold by the bundle in the Quartier Latin, dead broke in 1968, keeping moi copiously in les veres du rouge He was very active in the takeover of Champs Elysse, by Danny the Rouge and co, May, that year even as De Gaule was toasting Vive le Quebec livre, in Montreal He was an affable chap. Learnt a lot from him. Helped me get through to Satre, at Caffe le Fleur, with a letter of introduction, by Walfrido Antao, on a pretty soiled covering of Simla cigs. The Shettio bar, in Thanar, Cortalim, had no other scrap of usable piece of paper at their taverna. Satre, by that time nearly blind shunned visitors. Simone, also, was with him, when he accorded me a visit with him. Turned out that, both, he and Gorz, remembered Walfrido very fondly. Turned out quite an adventure which I will recount another time. Alfred de T. Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 21:36:30 +0530 From: law...@dataone.in To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] The Happy Couple that. . . Cecil Pinto---Comment by Driscoll. Mr. Pinto has given a better journalistic account than might be found in any of the newspapers. Truly, the story must be disturbing for many of us, and there are so many unanswered questions. But, I feel that we will be seeing more of the same, as people begin to become accountable for their own lives throughout. There was renowned Existentialist writer (not Sartre; not Camus; but in their League) whose name is momentarily beyond recall, who along with his spouse was found having taken a lethal draught of some kind. The report from those who witnessed the discovery was that it was 'dignified'. So, I guess I would only wonder why hanging and strangulation was the choice. At some point the medical and pharmaceutical communities are going to have to come up with the enabler for those who choose to end their own lives---in a dignified manner. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] WACI of Bombay (Calling Bombay gurus)
Probably a World War II acronym, Selma. WACs was used to describe those who belonged to the Women's Auxiliary Corps. The I might have stood for India. Just a wild guess; Eric might be better informed. REgards, Victor From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 4:36 AM Subject: [Goanet] WACI of Bombay (Calling Bombay gurus) Dear Bombay gurus (that's you Roland and Eric), Can anyone tell me what the WACI in Bombay would stand for? This would have been circa mid 20th century. Maybe it is still in existence whatever it is. Also can anyone recall a Bombay Womens Institute of Needle Art and Domestic Science in Hira Bldg. And if you can describe the area around Hira building mid-century, I would be very grateful. Was it a rough neighbourhood? were there brothels in that area? Hard-drinking men? Men given to violence and battering their wives. Or was it a posh area? I do plan to visit the area but I can't visit the time period. Many thanks, Selma --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Dr Ruth DeSouza
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- Congratulations, dear Ruth. Here's wishing you all success. Warm regards, Victor From: Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoron...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 1:27 AM Subject: [Goanet] Dr Ruth DeSouza --- http://www.GOANET.org --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- Congrats to Goanet Reader contributor Ruth on attaining her PhD! From Facebook: Ruth DeSouza works at AUT UniversityStudied at Massey AucklandLives in Auckland, New Zealand. -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha Goa,1556 books now available via Flipkart: http://bit.ly/rqah4t Easy to order anywhere in India, pay cash-on-delivery.
Re: [Goanet] VRR - a short note
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- Dear Richard and Betsy, I find, much to my chagrin and three weeks too late, that I neglected to thank you for your birthday wishes. Please accept my belated thanks, and my most sincere apologies. I have been living in a rather unreal world, the last few weeks. Warm regards, Victor From: Richard Betsy Nunes sourcing.nu...@gmail.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 11:24 AM Subject: [Goanet] VRR - a short note VRR - a short note. Our wishes too to Victor for a life with good health, great friends and the ability to continue in the work he so loves. Hi Frederick, Thanks. We think this is a great article. We do love your affirmation of VRR, his achievements, in particular that he is still actively involved with all that goes with editing, his desire for higher standards, and last, but not the least, your remark that you like to interact with such expats ... and we pose the question ... And why not? We also appreciate your remark, wishing the Goan society the ability to treat its senior citizens with more respect! We totally agree with this sentiment. Sadly, we have observed that there is, many a times, a total lack of this important ingredient in our society! Guess if our elders did not indulge in the Crab Mentality, our youth, our children and our Grandchilden would emulate their Grandparents / Parents. Incidentally, we both have been intrigued by the frequent use of the phrase 'Crab Mentality'. In our endeavours to understand this better, we consulted our Dictionary and it confirmed our understanding of the phrase !! See below. It certainly makes interesting reading. Richard and Betsy Nunes Crab mentality of thinking best described by the phrase if I can't have it, neither can you. The metaphor refers to a pot of crabs. Individually, the crabs could easily escape from the pot, but instead, they grab at each other in a useless king of the hill competition (or sabotage) which prevents any from escaping and ensures their collective demise. The analogy in human behavior is that of a group that will attempt to pull down (negate or diminish the importance of) any member who achieves success beyond the others, out of envy,conspiracy or competitive feelings. Crab mentality, sometimes referred to as crabs in the bucket, describes a way This term is broadly associated with short-sighted, non-constructive thinking rather than a unified, long-term, constructive mentality. It is also often used colloquially in reference to individuals or communities attempting to escape a so-called underprivileged life, but kept from doing so by others attempting to ride upon their coat-tails or those who simply resent their success.[1] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! Subject: [Goanet] VRR ... a short note I wishes Victor Rangel-Ribeiro a very happy 86th birthday on the GoaWriters network, but forgot to do so here on Goanet! Better (almost) late than never. Thank goodness for the time difference between India and the US! VRR is an inspiration to quite a few of us -- surely to me. When I see him working so hard, in the heat of the Goan afternoon, editing texts, volunteering with some of our books, holding editing workshops for us, and goading us on to strive for higher standards, I feel really blessed to be able to interact with such expats! Here's wishing VRR (as I call him fondly) many more productive years. Who can say what could be possible, considering that ex-editor (The Navhind Times and founder-editor of Goa Today) Lambert Mascarenhas gave a perfectly logical speech the other day, at the age of 97! Here's wishing Goan society the ability to treat its senior citizens with more respect, as it did in the past, and the abilities to tap on their lifetimes of achievements with even more enthusiasm! Happy birthday Victor, from me personally and on behalf of Goanet. FN --
Re: [Goanet] Ad Multos Annos, VRR
Dear Jose and Ema, Lea too remembered our meetings with pleasure. Thanks for remembering. Love, Victor From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 4:10 PM Subject: [Goanet] Ad Multos Annos, VRR My dear VRR, I write this little note on behalf of Ema, me and the family to wish you Ad Multos Annos. We are indeed fortunate to have had the opportunity to spend some delightful times in NY Phily with Lea and you. She was such a beautiful lady and you are such a gentleman. Best always jc
Re: [Goanet] VRR ... a short note
Thank you, Roland in Toronto! I'll be sure to collect my pension as long as is humanly possible. But live beyond a hundred? Only if a good quality of life is guaranteed. Warm regards, Victor of Monroe From: Roland Francis roland.fran...@gmail.com To: 'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!' goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] VRR ... a short note Happy birthday Victor. May your quality of life continue to well beyond hundred, especially if you are a pensioner. Get those pension funds to pay out the maximum, I always say. Hey Frederick, didn't know you have a selection of expats that you would like (or not like) to interact with. Now pray tell in which group I fall. I feel blessed to be able to interact with such expats. Do you feel cursed with the other group? Roland in T'O. -Original Message- From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org [mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Frederick FN Noronha * *??? ??? Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 1:48 PM To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! Subject: [Goanet] VRR ... a short note I wishes Victor Rangel-Ribeiro a very happy 86th birthday on the GoaWriters network, but forgot to do so here on Goanet! Better (almost) late than never. Thank goodness for the time difference between India and the US! VRR is an inspiration to quite a few of us -- surely to me. When I see him working so hard, in the heat of the Goan afternoon, editing texts, volunteering with some of our books, holding editing workshops for us, and goading us on to strive for higher standards, I feel really blessed to be able to interact with such expats! Here's wishing VRR (as I call him fondly) many more productive years. Who can say what could be possible, considering that ex-editor (The Navhind Times and founder-editor of Goa Today) Lambert Mascarenhas gave a perfectly logical speech the other day, at the age of 97! Here's wishing Goan society the ability to treat its senior citizens with more respect, as it did in the past, and the abilities to tap on their lifetimes of achievements with even more enthusiasm! Happy birthday Victor, from me personally and on behalf of Goanet. FN -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha
Re: [Goanet] VRR ... a short note
Dear Frederick, You flatter me to excess. I enjoy sharing my knowledge, such as it is. Were I not to do that, my days would be endlessly boring! And I thank God that some at least of the younger generation are willing to listen while I speak! Warm personal regards, Victor From: Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoron...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Monday, October 3, 2011 1:47 PM Subject: [Goanet] VRR ... a short note I wishes Victor Rangel-Ribeiro a very happy 86th birthday on the GoaWriters network, but forgot to do so here on Goanet! Better (almost) late than never. Thank goodness for the time difference between India and the US! VRR is an inspiration to quite a few of us -- surely to me. When I see him working so hard, in the heat of the Goan afternoon, editing texts, volunteering with some of our books, holding editing workshops for us, and goading us on to strive for higher standards, I feel really blessed to be able to interact with such expats! Here's wishing VRR (as I call him fondly) many more productive years. Who can say what could be possible, considering that ex-editor (The Navhind Times and founder-editor of Goa Today) Lambert Mascarenhas gave a perfectly logical speech the other day, at the age of 97! Here's wishing Goan society the ability to treat its senior citizens with more respect, as it did in the past, and the abilities to tap on their lifetimes of achievements with even more enthusiasm! Happy birthday Victor, from me personally and on behalf of Goanet. FN -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha
Re: [Goanet] Death: Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro
Dear Venantius and Cecilia, I like the image of two walking alongside me. But Lea enriched my life so much and for so many years that I doubt that Time can do much more. Warm personal regards to you both, Victor From: Venantius J Pinto venantius.pi...@gmail.com To: Goanet Mail list goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Monday, September 5, 2011 3:25 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Death: Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro Dear Victor, Do accept our heartfelt condolences on Lea`s passing. I have always felt that you were more than one person, and perhaps it was the same with Lea. A couple among couples.Time will enrich you more amd more. Remember, that from now on there will be two walking alongside you. Buy a nice lavender or purple colored shirt! Keep to your journey. Affectionately, venantius j pinto, cecilia castelino ps: I am in Japan, and missed this earlier.
Re: [Goanet] re DEATH ANNOUNCEMENT LEA VAZ RANGEL-RIBEIRO
Thank you, dear Eugene! Regards, Victor From: Eugene Correia eugene.corr...@gmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 8:13 PM Subject: [Goanet] re DEATH ANNOUNCEMENT LEA VAZ RANGEL-RIBEIRO My heartfelt sympathies to Victor and his family on the death of his wife Lea. I met her twice in Toronto, the last time at the Toronto Goan Convention. She was stately and carried herself with grace. I remember her quoting from my piece in the Toronto convention souvenir in her talk at the convention. I was happy that she cared to go through the souvenir and find what I said was worthy of quoting. May her soul rest in eternal peace. Eugene Correia
Re: [Goanet] Death: Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro
Thank you, dear Frederick, for posting this announcement, and for your kind words. Warm personal regards, Victor From: Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoro...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:42 PM Subject: [Goanet] Death: Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro Our condolences to long-time Goanetter writer, editor and novelist Victor Rangel-Ribeiro on the death of his wife Lea, who passed away last evening at Monroe, US. May Victor have strength to bear with the loss of his life partner and close collaborator. In recent years, I had got to know Lea quite closely, one of the many friends made over Goanet, and she was most supportive when Victor spent long hours mentoring younger talent back in Goa, via the GoaWriters network and other initiatives. Condolence messages to Victor can be emailed via vrangel...@aol.com FN * * * Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro, beloved wife of Victor Rangel-Ribeiro, daughter of the late Sebastian and Cecilia Vaz of Assagao and New York; mother/mother-in-law of Eva Ribeiro Wickoff/Christopher Wickoff and Eric/Liz Rangel-Ribeiro; grandmother of Dana, Ria, and Morgan Murray, and Tatijana and Natacha Rangel-Ribeiro; sister-in-law of Oscar/Erika Rangel-Ribeiro of Geneva and Lyra Ribeiro Srinivasan of Lincroft, NJ, sister/sister-in-law of Dominic/Marilyn Vaz of New York; aunt of Christopher/Rosemary Vasan, Allen/Carolina Vasan, Philip/Tina Vasan, Mireya/Charles Carlsen, Gita/Patrik Thollesson, Ludivine/Luc Perret of Geneva, Christine Ribeiro Opie of London, and Rani Vaz/Michael Moebius of New York; great-aunt to Kiera Vasan, Kristen and Daniela Vasan, Peter and Julia Vasan, Katie and Kevin Carlsen, and Emilie and Daniela Thollesson, and Cecilia Moebius, by the grace of God passed away most peacefully at her residence in Monroe, New Jersey, USA on the evening of September 1, 2011. FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 (after 2pm) #784 Nr Lourdes Convent, Saligao 403511 Goa India http://fn.goa-india.org http://goa1556.goa-india.org
Re: [Goanet] DEATH ANNOUNCEMENT Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro
Dear Ema and Jose, Lea valued your friendship and looked forward to our next meeting. Alas, it was not to be. Warm regards, Victor From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Cc: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] DEATH ANNOUNCEMENT Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro Ema and I are saddened to hear of the passing, of Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro, beloved wife of Victor Rangel-Rangel. She was ill for some time but managed to carry through with grace. We feel previleged that we knew such a delightful and gracious lady who also distinguished herself in the field of music. VRR, our prayers and love are with you at this very difficult time for you. Ema and Jose Colaco On 1 September 2011 21:18, goa obit goao...@gmail.com wrote: DEATH ANNOUNCEMENT Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro, beloved wife of Victor Rangel-Ribeiro, daughter of the late Sebastian and Cecilia Vaz of Assagao and New York; mother/mother-in-law of Eva Ribeiro Wickoff/Christopher Wickoff and Eric/Liz Rangel-Ribeiro; grandmother of Dana, Ria, and Morgan Murray, and Tatijana and Natacha Rangel-Ribeiro; sister-in-law of Oscar/Erika Rangel-Ribeiro of Geneva and Lyra Ribeiro Srinivasan of Lincroft, NJ, sister/sister-in-law of Dominic/Marilyn Vaz of New York; aunt of Christopher/Rosemary Vasan, Allen/Carolina Vasan, Philip/Tina Vasan, Mireya/Charles Carlsen, Gita/Patrik Thollesson, Ludivine/Luc Perret of Geneva, Christine Ribeiro Opie of London, and Rani Vaz/Michael Moebius of New York; great-aunt to Kiera Vasan, Kristen and Daniela Vasan, Peter and Julia Vasan, Katie and Kevin Carlsen, and Emilie and Daniela Thollesson, and Cecilia Moebius, by the grace of God passed away most peacefully at her residence in Monroe, New Jersey, USA on the evening of September 1, 2011.
Re: [Goanet] Condolences on the death of Lea Vaz Rangel-Rebeiro
Dear Ana Maria, As the saying goes in Konkani, ghor maka khaung yeta. The empty house is ready to swallow me. But that is part of life, isn't it? The house is empty, and yet Lea's presence fills the house. Warm regards, Victor From: Ana Maria de souza-Goswami anamari...@dataone.in To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 10:48 PM Subject: [Goanet] Condolences on the death of Lea Vaz Rangel-Rebeiro Dear Victor, My heartfelt condolences on the death of Lea. I am so so sorry to read about it in the Goanet. Its a pity when you come next to Goa, Lea won't be at your side. I am sure most of us will miss her grace and poise and her friendliness. May her sould rest in piece. Take care Victor Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami
Re: [Goanet] Demise of Lea Vaz Rangel Ribeiro
She often spoke of our visit to your home, Vivian. Thank you for your words of comfort, and my compliments to your wife. We will meet again! Regards, Victor From: Vivian A. DSouza socorro...@yahoo.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 10:58 PM Subject: [Goanet] Demise of Lea Vaz Rangel Ribeiro It is indeed very sad to hear the news of the demise of Lea, wife of GoaNettter Victor Rangel Ribeiro. My Condolences to Victor and to his extended family. Lea was a very charming lady and a highly accomplished musician and educator . Her passing will be .devastating to Victor. Just wanted him to know that he is very much in our thoughts as we pray for his departed wife..
Re: [Goanet] DEATH ANNOUNCEMENT LEA VAZ RANGEL-RIBEIRO
Dear Mervyn and Elsie, Although we had never met, Lea and I had heard of you even as you had heard of us. The world has shrunk and our lives are now intertwined. I thank you for your message and wish that God grant your family peace as well. Warm regards, Victor From: Mervyn Elsie Maciel mervynels.watuwasha...@gmail.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 3:16 AM Subject: [Goanet] DEATH ANNOUNCEMENT LEA VAZ RANGEL-RIBEIRO Although I never had the pleasure of meeting Victor(except in cyberspace) and Lea, I send my heartfelt condolences to Victor and the family on their great loss. May the Good Lord grant peace to Lea's soul and strength to Victor and the family at this sad time. Mervyn Elsie(Maciel)
Re: [Goanet] Heartfelt Condolences
Dear Joel, And recently Lea remembered you taking us to the ruined house of the Visconde de Bardez, and also to the mound of stones marking the spot where Raoji Rane was slain in the 1890s. Best of all, she remembered the cantam that you picked for her from the shrubs that grew alongside the road Warm regards, Victor From: joe...@gmail.com joe...@gmail.com To: vrangel...@aol.com Cc: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 6:04 AM Subject: [Goanet] Heartfelt Condolences Dear Victor, I am shocked by the very sad news of Lea's passing away. Of course, I knew that she was sick, but death... I didn't expect it. Kindly accept my heartfelt sympathies and also convey it to your family members. On the few occasions I had the privilege of meeting Lea, she always proved be ever so friendly and kind, and filled with joy. I still remember her seated at the piano at your ancestral house in Porvorim. Lea leaves behind very happy memories while she left for her Eternal home. I wish her eternal happiness, and to you... all the courage to brave the immense loss. Regards, Joel. PS: A few pictures at my FlickR photostream in humble tribute to a great person, who had her ancestral roots in my little village: http://www.flickr.com/photos/52243088@N00/6105787398/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/52243088@N00/6105244785/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/52243088@N00/6105787856/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/52243088@N00/6105245443/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/52243088@N00/6105245651/in/photostream http://www.flickr.com/photos/52243088@N00/6105788094/in/photostream
Re: [Goanet] DEATH ANNOUNCEMENT Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro
Thank you, Floriano, for your very kind words. They are much appreciated. Best regards, Victor From: floriano floriano.l...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] DEATH ANNOUNCEMENT Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro The Goa Su-Raj Party condoles the death of Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro, the dear wife of long standing goanetter Victor Rangel-Ribeiro with deep sympathies. May her good soul rest in eternal peace. floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: goa obit goao...@gmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 6:48 AM Subject: [Goanet] DEATH ANNOUNCEMENT Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro DEATH ANNOUNCEMENT Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro, beloved wife of Victor Rangel-Ribeiro, daughter of the late Sebastian and Cecilia Vaz of Assagao and New York; mother/mother-in-law of Eva Ribeiro Wickoff/Christopher Wickoff and Eric/Liz Rangel-Ribeiro; grandmother of Dana, Ria, and Morgan Murray, and Tatijana and Natacha Rangel-Ribeiro; sister-in-law of Oscar/Erika Rangel-Ribeiro of Geneva and Lyra Ribeiro Srinivasan of Lincroft, NJ, sister/sister-in-law of Dominic/Marilyn Vaz of New York; aunt of Christopher/Rosemary Vasan, Allen/Carolina Vasan, Philip/Tina Vasan, Mireya/Charles Carlsen, Gita/Patrik Thollesson, Ludivine/Luc Perret of Geneva, Christine Ribeiro Opie of London, and Rani Vaz/Michael Moebius of New York; great-aunt to Kiera Vasan, Kristen and Daniela Vasan, Peter and Julia Vasan, Katie and Kevin Carlsen, and Emilie and Daniela Thollesson, and Cecilia Moebius, by the grace of God passed away most peacefully at her residence in Monroe, New Jersey, USA on the evening of September 1, 2011.
Re: [Goanet] Lea Rangel-Ribeiro
Indeed we had years of happiness, dear Roland, fifty-seven of them! We took the rough with the smooth, but the good times outweighed the bad. I too look forward to meeting you, and we should make that happen. Warm regards, Victor From: Roland Francis roland.fran...@gmail.com To: 'Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!' goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 4:02 PM Subject: [Goanet] Lea Rangel-Ribeiro Dear Victor, Solace and strength to you and your family on the demise of Lea. Condolences, but also best wishes on the celebration of her life and the many years of happiness you must have had together. The sorrow will go, but that must remain. I have not had the pleasure of meeting you or Lea except on telephone and therefore look forward to meeting you in person someday, may it be soon, either in the US or in Goa. With regards, Roland. Toronto.
Re: [Goanet] Remembering Lea...
Frederick and Edgar, I am quite overwhelmed, and so will the children be when I share these images with them. A million thanks, Victor From: Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoro...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 5:16 PM Subject: [Goanet] Remembering Lea... Some photos from the Toronto convention, which feature Lea Rangel-Ribeiro, who passed away earlier this morning (Goa time, yesterday evening in the US) ... thanks to Edgar for the images. http://www.flickr.com/photos/goanet/2713945309/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/goanet/2710969623/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/goanet/2714252970/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/goanet/2713441791/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/goanet/2714753054/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/goanet/2713939305/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/goanet/2714753920/in/photostream/ Lea at the Toronto convention -- FN +91-9822122436 P +91-832-2409490 Updated: http://goabooks.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] DEATH ANNOUNCEMENT Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro
Thank you, Bernado. Gratefully accepted! Very best regards, Victor From: Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk To: goanet@lists.goanet.org goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Friday, September 2, 2011 10:24 PM Subject: [Goanet] DEATH ANNOUNCEMENT Lea Vaz Rangel-Ribeiro Heartfelt sympathies to Victor and family. BC
Re: [Goanet] Lea Rangel Ribeiro.
We have a cache of fond memories of you as well, dear Eric, years spent together building up the Goan Association of New York, that we were involved in founding, and also years spent in building up Xavierites in North America, which we also helped to found. The soft strains of Chopin melodies that will now occasionally fill my house will come no longer from Lea's hands, but from our daughter Eva's. Much love, Victor From: eric pinto ericpin...@yahoo.com To: GOA2 goa...@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 9:03 AM Subject: [Goanet] Lea Rangel Ribeiro. We extend our sympathies to Victor. Lea was indeed a gentle person. I have witnessed the slow demise of the small community of portuguese speaking Goans of Bombay over the decades, an asset as I saw it. They came largely from a small base in Goa: Assagao and Porvorim, Saligaoand Porvorim, Benaulim, Carona and Curtorim come to mind. The large families of the old gentry were willing to spare a few sons to the 'inglese' world that was gently disdained. They flourished out of nice homes in the old haunts I cherish and miss, from far away. It has been a slow farewell to Mount and Nesbit, Club Back and Claire, Apollo and Napier, Laburnum and Wodehouse, where you could count on picking up the soft strain of a Chopin melody on a sunday morning. Farewell to Lea, also, and thanks for the memories. eric.
Re: [Goanet] If by Caju Feni...
Wonderful piece, Cecil. Bravo! Regards, Victor From: Cecil Pinto cecilpi...@gmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Friday, August 12, 2011 1:51 AM Subject: [Goanet] If by Caju Feni... Cecil Pinto has decided to stand for election to the Goa Vidhyan Sabha in 2012. Besides other things Cecil is a well known Caju Feni enthusiast. At a Press Conference announcing his candidature Cecil was asked whether he as in support of prohibition of alcohol, particularly Caju Feni. This was his reply. -- My friends, I had not intended to discuss this controversial subject at this particular time. However, I want you to know that unlike Digambar Kamat I do not shun controversy. On the contrary, I will take a stand on any issue at any time, regardless of how fraught with controversy it might be. You have asked me how I feel about Caju Feni. All right, here is how I feel about Caju Feni: If when you say Caju Feni you mean the devil's brew, the poison scourge, the bloody monster, that defiles innocence, dethrones reason, destroys the home, creates misery and poverty, yea, literally takes the bread from the mouths of little children; if you mean the evil drink that topples the Goan man and woman from the pinnacle of righteous, gracious living into the bottomless pit of degradation, and despair, and shame and helplessness, and hopelessness, and makes him behave like a cheap tourist who does not know how to drink with grace, then certainly I am against it. But, if when you say Caju Feni you mean the oil of conversation, the philosophic wine, the ale that is consumed when good fellows get together, that puts a song in their hearts and laughter on their lips, and the warm glow of contentment in their eyes; if you mean festive cheer; the chanting of mandos and dulpodds, a prelude to great dancing, dining and flirting, if you mean the stimulating drink that puts the spring in the old uncle's step on a rainy, monsoon morning and makes him an expert on all matters; if you mean the drink which enables a man to magnify his joy, and his happiness, and to forget, if only for a little while, life's great tragedies, and heartaches, and sorrows, and how his beloved Goa is being raped in a frenzied hurry by the mining firms aided by the ruling politicians; if you mean that drink, the sale of which pours into our treasuries untold crores of rupees, which are used to provide tender care for our little differently abled children, our blind, our deaf, our dumb, our pitiful aged and infirm; to build highways and hospitals and schools, then certainly I am for it. This is my stand. I will not retreat from it. I will not compromise. With due apologies to Noah S. Soggy Sweat, Jr. who wrote the original http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/If-by-whiskey ===
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 6, Issue 630
My dear Gabriel, Lea and I had no idea that your dear mother had passed away. We had met her for the first and last time some years ago in Astoria, Queens, New York, and been quite struck by her personality and her quiet dignity. Please accept our deepest condolences. Very best regards, Victor and Lea From: Gabriel De Figueiredo gde...@optusnet.com.au To: francis d' souza francis_...@hotmail.com Cc: goanet@lists.goanet.org goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tue, July 5, 2011 12:26:47 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 6, Issue 630 Hi Francis, My apologies. In my grief, I forgot to put in the surname. Madame Figueiredo she was, taught at Don Bosco, Panjim, 1964-1985, thereafter tutored many more students regularly at her residence in Panjim until, I believe, a few months ago. She is also the aunt of the Salesian director, Fr Ian Figueiredo. PS My regular email account seems to have been hacked into recently, hence this new id. Gabriel de Figueiredo Count appear On 05/07/2011, at 3:11 PM, francis d' souza francis_...@hotmail.com wrote: 8. Madame is no more (gde...@optusnet.com.au) Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:48:01 +1000 From: gde...@optusnet.com.au To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Madame is no more Message-ID: 201107050548.p655m1vm001...@mail12.syd.optusnet.com.au Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Are you refering to 'Madame' who taught French at St. Britto's too... Probably Fredrico can throw some light on this subject.. Regards Francis
Re: [Goanet] Query: Renovating a house...
My dear Frederick and Pandu Lampiao, The old-style Goan houses did not have red Mangalore tiles. Well into 1961, they had the old curved tiles, that were placed in special rows, one row inverted over the other, forming hundreds of channels, so that even the heaviest rain found its way off the roof and on to the ground. Of course, if a kir dropped a large seed on to the roof, or a child threw a stone or aimed at a bird with a catapult, the tiles would get damaged, and the rain would then finds its way inside the house. I remember, as a child, I and my brother and sisters would have to run from room to room during a rainstorm, placing pots and pans on the floor where a leak had developed in the ceiling directly above. That is the reason why the tiles had to be replaced by hand every year, and that is why we now have red Mangalore tiles in place. Regards to all, Victor From: Pandu Lampiao pan...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Mon, July 4, 2011 2:47:21 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Query: Renovating a house... Your home-town, Mangalore. They still make them there and are available on order. Take the 2:40 from Margao 2011/7/3 Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoron...@gmail.com: A friend wants to renovate an old-style Goan house, and is looking for the old red tiles that used to be in the past (so as to retain the old look). Would anyone know where these are available? Many thanks, FN -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Saligao Goa IN http://fn.goa-india.org Skype: fredericknoronha
Re: [Goanet] Mayem Lake, Swans, ducks etc - Pics Video
Dear Joe, Swans have very long necks and elegant bodies. These are ducks! Thanks for the pics anyway. I enjoy looking at all the photographs you share with us. Warm regards, Victor From: JoeGoaUk joego...@yahoo.co.uk To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Sat, June 11, 2011 7:40:43 PM Subject: [Goanet] Mayem Lake, Swans, ducks etc - Pics Video Mayem Lake, Swans, ducks etc - Pics Video Mayem Lake is a popular tourist spot Well known for Pedal boating etc First time I ever visited this spot was during my school picnic It’s about 3-4 kms from Bicholim Bus Stand Some latest picsSwans, ducks at Mayem Lake The procession of swans http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk40/5822513574/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk40/5822515388/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk40/5821954321/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk40/5822519826/sizes/l/ middle of the lake http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk40/5821952799/sizes/l/ Lake view from GTDC resort side http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk40/5822511950/sizes/l/ Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zbn9Bx3oAvU HD http://youtu.be/Zbn9Bx3oAvU?hd=1 Mayem lake is one of the popular tourist spots. In Bicholim Goa The lake view (s) from diff. Angles http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk40/5822047367/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk40/5822610286/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk40/5822050459/sizes/l/ GTDC Resort – Mayem Lake View http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk40/5822616898/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk40/5822618546/sizes/l/ Rooms tariff http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk40/5822654076/ Mini children park http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk40/5822049307/sizes/l/ My prev. Clip (2006) http://youtu.be/ZQ4Co9AJe0c Latest improved version coming later Prev. Pics http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauksix/236243718/sizes/z/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauksix/236244352/sizes/z/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk4/236830357/sizes/l/ Some ready pics available here http://joegoauk.blogspot.com/2011/06/welcome-to-mayem-lake.html joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
Re: [Goanet] Obituary.. .Germana Driscoll
Dear Dan, I don't believe we've met, and I live very far away, but I know of the work you are doing in Goa and my heart goes out to you in your bereavement. I have said a prayer for Germana. May she rest in Paradise. Warm regards, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro From: Dan Driscoll law...@dataone.in To: Goanet Post goa...@goanet.org Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 1:03:47 AM Subject: [Goanet] Obituary.. .Germana Driscoll 'Germana', Mumbai/Canada/Betim-Goa Wife of Daniel Driscoll; Departed peacefully, at Mandovi Clinic (Porvorim) on 18-3-2011 at 10:00 P.M. Cremated at Ste Inez, on 19-3-2011. Grateful Appreciation to Fr. Delio Mendonca, S.J., and Staff of Mandovi Clinic. No Condolence Visits; Just a Thought and a Prayer.
Re: [Goanet] Old Goa.
Dear Eric, Truly fascinating. But what is the source of this piece? If you tell us, or give us the link, we could then see the photographs as well. Warm regards, Victor From: eric pinto ericpin...@yahoo.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Fri, March 18, 2011 2:26:12 AM Subject: [Goanet] Old Goa. A FACINATING HISTORY OF OUR MOTHERLAND Peninsular India: Old Goa If the Pacific Ocean was once a Spanish Lake, then the Indian Ocean during the 16th Century belonged to the Portuguese. The administrative center of this Portuguese Lake was Goa. What did it look like? Most of the city of that time has been obliterated, partly by time but largely by the Portuguese themselves using it as a stone quarry. Words come to the partial rescue, here in a snippet of the account left by Francois Pyrard, writing shortly after 1600. It is about a hundred and ten years since the Portuguese made themselves masters of this island of Goa, and I have often wondered at the rapidity with which the Portuguese have been able to rear stately edifices, so many churches, convents, palaces, fortesses, and other buildings This city is the metropolis of the whole of the Portuguese dominions in India Every year more than a thousand ships touch there laden with cargo. Don't be misled by his use of the word island. It's not; by a stretch the city stood on a peninsula. (Quoted in José Nicola da Fonseca, Sketch of the City of Goa, 1878, p. 156) Well, here we are, a busy street 400 years ago. Jan van Linschoten, assistant to the archbishop and in modern language also an industrial spy, wrote that one street was crowded with cotton and silk dresses, China porcelain, and velvet from Portugal. Another was for woodworking--beds, chairs, joinery. Linschoten did more than describe the commercial geography of Old Goa: he copied the maps long held secret by the Portuguese, and when he brought them back to his Dutch countrymen, they began sailing the Portuguese Lake, with ruinous effect for the Portuguese. By 1774, Portugal's eminent Marquis of Pombal sent out a new governor with instructions to restore the city's glory. It was not to be, but Pombal's instructions to José Pedro da Camara describe Goa by then as overtaken by such calamities that she is reduced to a heap of ruins; so that she is now a mere wreck of what she was in happier times. (Fonseca, p. 183) A coconut grove on the site of former buildings. The heap of stones was made recently, when the landowner cleared the site before planting it. If you like lamentations, you'll love Tomas Ribeiro (1831-1901), who wrote of Goa: I have come to witness the collapse of glory, to have to show to foreign peoples only ruins, deserts and skulls, as all the trophies of our history. (Quoted in Churches of Goa by Jose Pereira, 2002, p. 90) It almost takes an archaeologist to sort it out: the relics of ancient Goa are not the stone blocks in the upper half of this picture. They're the thin fragments of roof tile in the lower half. Visitors today arrive by road, but in the old days they came up the Mandovi River, here at low tide five miles from the sea. There's a lot of bulk-carrier traffic, as well as ferries on the river, but no oceanic passenger ships. The 16th Century city was walled with a gate that was decorated for the arrival of new governors. Then in 1599, when the governor was Dom Francisco da Gama, the great-grandson of Vasco da Gama, this arch was built at the river's edge by order of the Senate of the city of Goa, with the twofold object of saving the expense of decoration and of perpetuating the name of the famous discoverer of the sea route to India. (Fonseca, p. 193) Sorry to disappoint, but the arch collapsed in 1948 and was entirely rebuilt in 1954. Old engravings show a slightly more elaborate structure, with an upper image containing a statue of St. Catherine. (See, for example, the one in Antonio Lopes Mendes, A India Portuguesa, 1886, vol. 1, p. 51.) Vasco in his Sunday best. Although Vasco came to India in 1498, Portuguese rule over Goa was established instead by Afonso Albuquerque, who in 1510 defeated the forces of the Sultan of Bijapur. It happened on November 25th, the feast day of St. Catherine, which is why her image originally appeared above Vasco's. Rear of arch, with view through to ferry dock. Notice the statue at the top of the arch? It shows a woman, sword in hand, standing over a man in native dress. Symbol of Portugal's rule? Inside the arch is this tablet. The upper portion reads: The legitimate and true king, Dom Joao IV, restorer of Portuguese liberty. 1656. The reference is to Portugal's regaining in 1640 its independence from Spain. Perhaps a hundred yards up the road is this last vestige of the palace of Yusuf Adil Khan, the last Muslim ruler in Goa. For a long
Re: [Goanet] I Am Questioned By The Dreaded Agente Monteiro
Dear Bernado, I see, from your repeated use of Bombaim, that you are now preparing a one-man expedition to reclaim Mumbai on behalf of Portugal, even though it was ceded to the British hundreds of years ago, before passing back into Indian hands. You say that in the 1950s Goans were forced to give up their Portuguese citizenship if they were to continue living there? In the 50s? My family was there in the fifties, and nobody even questioned our citizenship. It was the same with thousands of other Goans who lived in Bombay: the question of their citizenship did not ever arise. I am also amazed by your claim that members of your family were jailed for many days for singing in Portuguese at a party and forced to leave Bombaim. We were a large extended family in Bombay in those days, and we always sang Portuguese, Konkani, and English and Spanish and American songs when we got together. Not one of us was ever arrested for singing in Portuguese, nor were we asked to leave Bombay because of our singing. Yet you say your relatives were jailed for many days for singing! They were even forced to leave the city! Was their singing really that bad? Regards, anyway, Victor From: Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Thu, December 9, 2010 7:10:12 AM Subject: [Goanet] I Am Questioned By The Dreaded Agente Monteiro Goan publications and their editors were forced to close shop in the 50's in Bombaim. Goans were forced to give up their Portuguese citizenship if they were to continue living there. Members of my family were jailed for many days by the evil Nehru for singing in Portuguese at a party and forced to leave Bombaim. BC I hope you can also give a blow-by-blow account of how Roldao was beaten up by the Bombay police and the method of his escape from Bombay to Goa, with his family. Perhaps you could also read about how Goans in Bombay, who resisted the Indian moves to change their attitude towards the Portuguese, were treated, e.g. editors of some prominent Goan publications.
Re: [Goanet] I Am Questioned By The Dreaded Agente Monteiro
Dear Paulo, I do not know how much you really know about India pre-1961, or about conditions in Goa during that period. I was born in Goa in 1925, and grew up in Goa, leaving for Goa in mid-1939. Goa was not the paradise some people claim it was. I was a student at Mater Dei at the time and I remember that one young man, a friend of my brother's, foolishly shouted Viva Goa in Mapusa. For that he was arrested, beaten, and had his head shaved. Punished for shouting Viva Goa in Goa itself? I lived in Bombay from 1939 to mid-1956 and never felt that India was not a democracy. For several of those years I was with the newspapers, holding key positions with what became the Indian Express, and the Times of India, and the Illustrated Weekly, and never once felt that I had to be careful about what I wrote. We were not censored in India, but the press was certainly pre-censored in Goa. So when you feel like sneering at people who claim that India got democracy much before Goa, and that it was good, think twice before you say, Yeah. Right! All in paper, of course. India tasted democracy before Portugal did, and Portugal tasted democracy much after Goa did. That's a historical fact. Very best regards, Victor From: Paulo Colaco Dias paul...@hotmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Thu, December 9, 2010 9:20:32 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] I Am Questioned By The Dreaded Agente Monteiro Thank you Gabriel, those are excellent points for discussion. It would be really nice if we could get the entire episodes regarding Roldao and the difficulties of the Goans in Bombay who were even forced to change their names to succeed in life and to erase their similarities with Portuguese names. It shows what kind of Democratic country the Indian Union was in the post 1947 - 1970 years... And then some of us claim that India got democracy much before Goa, that it was good, that there was freedom of speech, etc, etc. Yeah. Right! All in paper, of course. There is no full freedom of speech in India even today. There are publications and books that are still banned in India today and you can get arrested if caught with a banned book. There are politicians in Goa being arrested and people prevented from exercising their rights to do public demonstrations, etc. That is the democracy in India today. And it is much better today. In the first few years after 1961, it was exactly the same as during Portuguese times, or worse. Goa even had a one entire year of Martial Law post 1961. What an excellent way of welcoming Goa into the motherland. Best regards Paulo. -Original Message- From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org [mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Gabriel de Figueiredo Sent: 09 December 2010 07:03 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! Subject: Re: [Goanet] I Am Questioned By The Dreaded Agente Monteiro I hope you can also give a blow-by-blow account of how Roldao was beaten up by the Bombay police and the method of his escape from Bombay to Goa, with his family. Perhaps you could also read about how Goans in Bombay, who resisted the Indian moves to change their attitude towards the Portuguese, were treated, e.g. editors of some prominent Goan publications.
Re: [Goanet] Winemaking, anyone?
Since this thread is ostensibly about winemaking, and has been derailed by the adherents and opponents of various isms (kosehrism, halalism, urineism), I suspect that FN threw in the word Goanese to start another controversy and further delay respondents from supplying the knowledge about wineism that he is so suspensefully seeking.:))) Victor From: Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tue, November 23, 2010 12:37:46 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Winemaking, anyone? Please, could someone tell me about wine? I'm dying with all the suspense. Meat, motives, halal, urine theraphy, 100% veg... last year... everything but wine! How many Goenkars does it take to get some info about wine? I'm headed here (as JC would suspect, to further malign the fair name of the Goanese) http://www.winemakingtalk.com/ FN ffbe Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490
Re: [Goanet] F.N. Souza's house
Dear Frederick, The photographs do not give us a clear picture of the location because they do not give us a view of the houses on either side. As a four-year-old I lived in Saligao just two houses east of the crossroads formed by the main road that ran north from the Pilerne Seminary to Mapusa and the road that ran east from the toem through the village to Calangute. Some years ago I was told that FN (the other one, not you!) had lived as a toddler in a house some two or three houses east of the intersection. But that is hearsay; Fr. Nascimento will know better. For me the crucial question is: did FN the artist live on the north-south Mapusa-Saligao road, or the east-west road? Perhaps someone can draw a simple map? That will do splendidly. Very best regards, Victor From: Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Sun, November 7, 2010 4:05:31 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] F.N. Souza's house Alberto, how could you say such a thing? Blasphemy! Even if FN Souza was irreligious himself. The home where Souza lived is like any other village home. I think a State like Goa is very adept at not honouring its own. Whether it is FN Souza or Frank Moraes (Eugene has rightly pointed out that he deserves a journalism college in his name) and even Alfred Rose was long denied a State award on the excuse that he was not Goa based. Images (taken on a hot summer day) of the house where Souza grew up are below. Some pics have village historian Fr Nascimento Mascarenhas (currently working on a book on Saligao) in the frame. It's located near the Green Bar, and I'm sure Albert will recognise this. http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4517821888/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4517192391/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4517193857/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4517195491/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4517831832/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4517191007/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4517823338/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4517196495/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4517832894/ Another pic of a Souza painting I ran into while visiting the Embassy of India in Bonn in 1990 (pre-digital camera days): http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/100429057/ Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490 On 7 November 2010 12:01, Albert Desouza alizadeso...@hotmail.com wrote: To know about FN souza's house we need the full name of FN de souza and the location of the house like which waddo the house was situated. One finds it difficult to know who this FN is. I am from saligao and if you give me the full name of FN and his full postal address I will reply to you in three days. albert Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 10:12:45 +0530 From: anamari...@dataone.in To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] F.N. Souza's house Would be most grateful if anyone could give me details and location of F.N. Souza's house in Saligao. Whats happened to it and who has inherited this house. Many thanks. Ana Maria de Souza-Goswami _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ tambdimati: the Goa review is a community blog of original _/ art, writing, music, news and commentary from and about the _/ smallest state in the subcontinent. check out the newest _/ member of the Goanet family daily at _/ http://www.tambdimati.com. _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/ _/ _/ tambdimati: the Goa review is a community blog of original _/ art, writing, music, news and commentary from and about the _/ smallest state in the subcontinent. check out the newest _/ member of the Goanet family daily at _/ http://www.tambdimati.com. _/ _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/
Re: [Goanet] Goa: The Cruellest Inquisition
Dear Gilbert, Are you now claiming that one of the purposes of the Inquisition in Goa was to stamp out medical malpractice by non-Catholic doctors? If you can document such cases in the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries, you will have a sure best-selling treatise on your hands. Regards, Victor From: Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Sat, October 23, 2010 3:47:21 PM Subject: [Goanet] Goa: The Cruellest Inquisition Gabriel de Figueiredo Why dig out only the Portuguese? Perhaps comparative history would be better - how many people were subject to torture in England in the same period, and how many people were tortured in India by the Brits in a similar period for political and religious reasons? --- GL responds: As I was writing my last response to this thread, I read the posts about the practice of medicine by medical quacks - aka non-certified physicians. Today likely in Goa and India; but definitely in UK, Australia, USA, etc medical quacks are barred and even subject to criminal prosecutions because of the risk of killing patients. Medical quacks are certainly condemned on Goanet. Yet similar efforts in 16th, 17th, 18th century in colonial Goa against non-certified doctors a.k.a. vaidya (Hindu), hakim (Muslim) are called the abuses of Inquisition. Given the economic advancement of colonial Goa, it was an attractive place for anyone seeking to improve their socio-economic status. The govt action of colonial Goa is condemned, by the same people, who rightly condemn the current medical practices of non-certified medical practitioners. I find this hypocrisy and / or ignorance amusing. I am not claiming that 'certified physicians' of the 16th, 17th, 18th century were practicing 'evidence based medicine' and were always curing patients. All I am claiming is the desire to license physicians in the 20th and 21st century was as significant and important as in the 16th, 17th, 18th century in colonial Goa. Regards, GL
Re: [Goanet] Police Porjek
Bernado, dear Bernado! You have outdone yourself, your imagination is being hyperactive once again! You say the Bharat govt is selling drugs in Goa to get foreign exchange? Wouldn't they get more foreign exchange if they sold drugs in Macau? Very best regards, and do continue to keep us entertained, Victor From: Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Wed, October 20, 2010 10:36:45 PM Subject: [Goanet] Police Porjek Bharat govt is involved in this matter. They started selling drugs in Goa to get Foreign Exchange. Goa Police have no power to stop this on the other hand they will hassle overseas Goans. Bosco George has been an easy job at the colonial governors house at Cabo. BC
Re: [Goanet] Horror of Dual Citizenship With India (OCI)
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Goanet joins Noel Rebello to raise money for Daddy's Home (Margao, Goa) Sponsor Noel as he climbs Mt. Kilimanjaro (5,882m or 19,298 ft) Make a donation at www.Goanet.org, click on MAKE A DONATION, state Daddy's Home in the Donation comments For more information see: http://bit.ly/SupportDaddysHome --- Dear Bernardo, This surely ranks as one of your more interesting posts. But can you please recount one or more incidents in which Mahatma Gandhi, or Indira Gandhi, or Rajiv, or Sonia, or the current generation, established the ghandian principle you quote: When you arrive from overseas, please bribe your countryman? Be sure to give us verifiable incidents, because I'm going to keep after you on this matter. Regards, Victor From: Bernado Colaco ole_...@yahoo.co.uk To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Wed, September 15, 2010 12:50:52 AM Subject: [Goanet] Horror of Dual Citizenship With India (OCI) --- http://www.GOANET.org --- Goanet joins Noel Rebello to raise money for Daddy's Home (Margao, Goa) Sponsor Noel as he climbs Mt. Kilimanjaro (5,882m or 19,298 ft) Make a donation at www.Goanet.org, click on MAKE A DONATION, state Daddy's Home in the Donation comments For more information see: http://bit.ly/SupportDaddysHome --- I think this is a case of xhiclolo bruto. The professor apparently has not followed the ghandian principle : when you arrive from overseas please bribe your countryman. BC My advice to all my friends who hold an OCI (Overseas Citizen of India) Card and those who aspire to get one. I am an American citizen.? I also carry an OCI card (Overseas Citizen of India) since 2007.?? On Saturday, June 20, 2009 , I arrived at the Kolkata Netaji Subhas Airport from Detroit via Singapore , by Singapore Airlines (SQ 516) at 10:30 P.M. I presented myself to an Immigration Officer? ( Mr. Biswas ) for immigration clearance.? I gave him my American passport and my OCI card.? He demanded to see my visa from the Indian consular office.? Unfortunately, that visa was attached to my old passport and I did not bring it with me. I explained to him that I am sorry I forgot to bring my old passport but since I do possess a valid OCI Card that would automatically mean that I do also possess a permanent (life long) visa for India and there are proofs that I have traveled multiple times to India after I had received my OCI card.??
Re: [Goanet] Violet Dias-Lannoy...
Dear Frederick, When I joined St. Xavier's College in Bombay in 1941, I found a bright group there that included John Correia Afonso and others with whom I shared a common interest in literature and writing. Several of us got together and founded the ChesterBelloc club, named after G. K. Chesterton and Hilaire Belloc, the two leading Catholic writers and luminaries of the time. We met regularly in a small room, and Fr. Esteller, who succeeded Fr. Fell as editor of the College Magazine, became our mentor. A couple of years later Fr. Eddie D'Cruz took over the mentoring. He came into one session beaming with pleasure and said, All of you think you are good writers and you are, but Violet Dias is going to join the college next month and then you will see. Looking back sixty years, I think Violet joined St. Xavier's in the Inter Arts when I had already moved into the Junior B. A., and Fr. Eddie was right---she did write well. She was also intelligent as well as pretty, and after graduation she and her older sister settled in Bombay. But I was not aware that she was going anywhere with her writing until a few years ago, in the United States, Peter Nazareth spoke glowingly to me about her novel, Pears from the Willow Tree. When I read the novel I found it to be preachy and amateurish, but Peter has been steadfast in championing it and promoting it at every available opportunity. Peter is a widely read man and a professor at Iowa University, so I must respect his opinion and urge others to read her novel with an open mind Regards to all, Victor From: Frederick Noronha fredericknoron...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 2:38:02 PM Subject: [Goanet] Violet Dias-Lannoy... Just curious... has anyone read the works of Violet Dias Lannoy (1925-1973)? Did anyone know her? This is what the blurb of her 'Pears from the Willow Tree' (ISBN 0-89410-564-7 or 565-5), still available on amazon.com says: Seb, the protagonist, is a member of an Indian 'lost generation' -- between cultures, religions, and epochs. As a teacher at a Gandhian-inspired school, he struggles alongside his countrymen against corruption of the soul to take and remake post-Imperial India More about her here: http://www.new-diaspora.com/Asian Diaspora/web_files/violet.html FN Frederick Noronha +91-9822122436 +91-832-2409490
Re: [Goanet] Konkani adages...
Dear Joel, That is the equivalent of the proverb that goes The mountain laboured and produced a mouse. Regards, Victor From: joe...@gmail.com joe...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Wed, June 16, 2010 7:33:47 AM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Konkani adages... Dongor pokrun undir kaddlo!
Re: [Goanet] Courage Compassion-stories of Goan military valour: HERALD(Goa), May 30, 2010
I found your stories very moving, Valmiki. Thanks for sharing. Warm regards, Victor
Re: [Goanet] While researching Kenya, she found shocking truths about the British empire
The Mau Mau rebellion was the subject of a book by the American scholar Robert B. Edgerton that I copy edited and was published in New York in1989. Pio Gama Pinto is the only Goan mentioned in it, but there must have been others. Frederic, why don't you pose your question on the Africana-Orientlia site? Regards, Victor --- On Thu, 5/20/10, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote: From: Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] While researching Kenya, she found shocking truths about the British empire To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Thursday, May 20, 2010, 1:46 PM Any other Goans with links to the Mau Mau? Just curious... FN PS: I have a photocopy of the book(let) on Independent Kenya's First Martyr, i.e. Pio, with me. On 20 May 2010 19:45, Eddie Fernandes eddie.fernan...@gmail.com wrote: From: Frederick Noronha PS: There is a Goan connection with this story. Any guess? [Answer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitz_Remedios_Santana_de_Souza] Response: Heard about Pio Gama Pinto? His links to the Mau Mau were far greater than any other Goan! Check out http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pio_Gama_Pinto Eddie Fernandes
[Goanet] Fwd: [A-O] Australian police - again!
--- On Fri, 3/26/10, vrangel...@aol.com vrangel...@aol.com wrote: From: vrangel...@aol.com vrangel...@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [A-O] Australian police - again! To: vrangel...@yahoo.com Date: Friday, March 26, 2010, 2:41 PM Dear fellow Goanetters, Apparently the problems of racism are far more deeprooted in Australia than we have been led to believe. Perhaps Gabriel, who in the past has been so quick in finding exculpatory reasons for the attacks on Indian immigrants, can explain why there is so much racism in the Victoria police force itself. Are Indian attitudes to blame for that too? Regards to all, Victor From The Times March 26, 2010 Officer commits suicide as scores of police are accused over racist e-mails (William West/AFP) Melbourne officers play cricket in a 'harmony' initiative. Indian students claim that unsolved violent attacks demonstrate police racism Anne Barrowclough, Sydney Up to 100 Australian police officers are under investigation over racist, homophobic and pornographic e-mails circulating among officers in the state of Victoria. One officer who faced the prospect of losing his job over an inappropriate e-mail has committed suicide and another could be sacked over an e-mail that was said to be “extremely racist”. The most serious e-mail circulated on the police internal system depicted graphic images of a non-Caucasian man being tortured. It is understood that some police officers added racist comments to the e-mail before sending it on. Many of the e-mails are too shocking to be released, Simon Overland, the Police Commissioner of Victoria, said yesterday. Mr Overland told ABC Radio: “There are a large number of police involved. I guess there are different degrees of seriousness, but it was quite widespread. If the public were aware of the nature of that material I believe that it would cause significant concern within the community.” News of the e-mails comes after members of the Indian and African communities in Melbourne accused the police of racism. A series of unsolved street attacks on Indian youths in the past ten months has led to claims in the Indian media of racism in police ranks, with one newspaper depicting a police officer as a member of the Ku Klux Klan. Last week Michael Strong, the director of the Office of Police Integrity, said that Victoria Police had started an investigation into racist attitudes in the force after a report accused officers of attacking African youths in Melbourne. The report, by the Springvale Monash Legal Service, claimed that the police had taunted the African men, calling them “monkey” and “black c***”. In one instance, the report claims, a group of police officers removed their uniforms to attack a group of Africans in a park. Some of the victims had to be taken to hospital after the attack. Helen Yandell, director of the Springvale Monash Legal Service, told The Times that she was not surprised by the latest e-mail revelations. “There is a culture of racism within the Victorian police force,” Ms Yandell said. “It is an issue that needs to be addressed. I’m pleased that the police are taking such quick action on these e-mails.” Mr Overland refused to confirm whether the e-mails targeted the Indian or African communities but said that they were so serious that they raised “real questions about a number of individuals’ suitability to continue with Victoria Police”. He confirmed that Sergeant Tony Vangorp, an officer for 30 years who shot himself this week at a Victoria police station, was among the officers identified in a crackdown on the use of computers. Mr Vangorp and one other officer had been issued with what is known as a Section 68 for introducing the e-mails into the police system. Mr Overland informed the officers that he had no confidence in them and asked why they should be allowed to continue in their jobs. Mr Overland expressed regret at the death of Mr Vangorp but defended the action he had taken over the officer’s behaviour. “I believed then and I believe now that that was the appropriate thing to do,” he said. “How can a community have confidence in this organisation if we allow racist, sexist, pornographic, inappropriate material to circulate freely? We can’t do it,” he added. The state police department has 13,800 employees, including police officers, public servants and security officers. Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now __._,_.___ ~ africana-orientalia ~ Adherence to the Terms and Conditions of Membership is a continuing obligation. All contributors are solely responsible for their postings. Permission to re-publish, forward or further disseminate this e-mail is required. Send all
Re: [Goanet] Portuguese-to-English translation
My dear Frederick, One important detail: what kind of material needs to be translated? Literary? Journalistic? Scientific? Mathematical? etc.! Warm regards, Victor --- On Thu, 3/18/10, Frederick Noronha fredericknoron...@gmail.com wrote: From: Frederick Noronha fredericknoron...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Portuguese-to-English translation To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Thursday, March 18, 2010, 5:24 AM Anyone out there doing Portuguese-to-English translation? If so, please get in contact with details of your area of specialisation, time needed for translation and rates. Thanks! FN -- Frederick Noronha Columnist :: journalism :: editing :: alt.publishing :: photography :: blogging P +91-832-2409490 M +91-9822122436 A:784 Saligao 403511 Goa India
Re: [Goanet] Loot of Goan Artefacts
Dear Ignatius, Which Governor's palace in Altinho? Regards, Victor --- On Wed, 3/17/10, ignatius fernandes iggy.fernan...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: From: ignatius fernandes iggy.fernan...@hotmail.co.uk Subject: [Goanet] Loot of Goan Artefacts To: goanet@lists.goanet.org goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 4:09 PM Is there anyone who has made any inventory of the of the loss of Goan artefacts looted by the Delhi appointed Governors of Goa which graced the Governors palace in Altinho. Will my query stir up a hornets nest? Regards Ignatius Fernandes. _ Send us your Hotmail stories and be featured in our newsletter http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/195013117/direct/01/
Re: [Goanet] Dev Borem Korum
Dear Selma, Thank you for that bit of digging into the etymology of good, which, as far as I can recall, neither I nor anybody else in this discussion claimed was derived from God. Still, the Oxford English Dictionary, in its various manifestations, is certainly a great resource. It tracked the first use of one particular term to 1285? We weren't even alive then! Regards, Victor --- On Mon, 3/8/10, Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Dev Borem Korum To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Monday, March 8, 2010, 12:41 PM The ethmology of the word Good is not God as we understand the word. The ethomology of morning is morewen. Good morning is not exactly derived from May God give you a good morning. It is an expression of its own accord from Gode morewen, for the olde English word good. I could be wrong of course. best, selma good (adj.) O.E. god (with a long o) having the right or desirable quality, from P.Gmc. *gothaz (cf. O.N. goðr, Du. goed, Ger. gut, Goth. goþs), originally fit, adequate, belonging together, from PIE base *ghedh- to unite, be associated, suitable (cf. O.C.S. godu pleasing time, Rus. godnyi fit, suitable, O.E. gædrian to gather, to take up together). Irregular comparatives (better, best) reflect a widespread pattern, cf. L. bonus, melior, optimus. First record of good day is from c.1205. Goods property first recorded c.1280, but singular in the same sense was in O.E. The good neighbours is Scot. euphemism for the fairies (1588). Good-for-nothing is from 1711; good-looking is from 1780; good-natured first recorded 1577. Good sport is from 1917; good to go is attested from 1989. mid-13c., morn, morewen (see morn) + suffix -ing, on pattern of evening. Originally the time just before sunrise. Morning after hangover is from 1884; as a type of contraception, attested from 1867. Morning sickness first recorded 1879 (O.E. had morgenwlætung). Morning glory is from 1814, in reference to the time the flowers open. Morning star Venus in the east before sunrise is from 1530s (O.E. had morgensteorra).
Re: [Goanet] Dev borem korum
Dear Selma, The original phrase, in 895 A.D*. and thereafter, was Godd gibb thee a gode morwene, which was eventually shortened through lip laziness to gode morwene. How do I know this? I was there... Regards, Victor *Or it might even have been in 896 A.D. Or 897. My memory is getting weaker as I age! --- On Tue, 3/9/10, Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com Subject: [Goanet] Dev borem korum To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Tuesday, March 9, 2010, 10:52 AM Dear Victor, This is what you wrote: In England centuries ago it used to be God give you a good morning - I correct my earlier assertion that God and Good do not have a common ethmology. They may have. But the phrase itself was gode morwene and not God give you a good morning. You do see how this like Goan and Goanese. :-) I aim to please. warm regards, Selma
Re: [Goanet] Dev Borem Korum
May I also point to two other expressions that we oldsters used to routinely exchange, whether as adults or as children, whenever we passed another person in the street, even total strangers: Deo boro dis dium. Deo bori rat dium. And the immediate answer naturally was, Tukai dium! In England centuries ago it used to be God give you a good morning and God give you a good night, telescoped into today's Good morning and Good night. Apparently padri bas was dominant in England as well as in Goa. Regards to all, Victor --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote: From: Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Dev Borem Korum To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 1:50 PM Very interesting! Do the experiences of others bear out what Domnic suggests? Also, is Padri Bhas more prevalent in Bardez ... or is the Padri Bhas dialect of Konkani a mix of Bardeshi and Sanskrit terminology (needed to express theological constructs which are often absent from the spoken language)? Just speculating here... Dr W. R da Silva, ironically himself a priest and learned sociologist besides being a linguist, was the guy who introduced me to the concept of the dominant dialects of Padri Bhas-Bamonn Bhas in Konkani :-) FN On 7 March 2010 20:07, Domnic Fernandes domval...@hotmail.com wrote: Per my observation, the Bardezkar say Dev borem korum, whereas the Saxttikar say Bor(em) zaum. -- Frederick Noronha Columnist :: journalism :: editing :: alt.publishing :: photography :: blogging P +91-832-2409490 M +91-9822122436 A:784 Saligao 403511 Goa India Please add a 'signature' below your email. Makes it easy when someone wants to contact you!
Re: [Goanet] Dev borem korun
But indeed it does have a quid pro quo. The quo is the favour you have done the other person; the quid is the other person interceding with the Almighty on your behalf. That could be the best quid of all, if sincerely meant! Regards, Victor --- On Sun, 3/7/10, Antonio Menezes ac.mene...@gmail.com wrote: From: Antonio Menezes ac.mene...@gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] Dev borem korun To: goanet goa...@goanet.org Date: Sunday, March 7, 2010, 9:50 AM Imagine a village priest who normally had a lousy male cook. A padri is always welcome to share a meal in a parishioner house. Not that he had made a habit out of it. At the end of a meal , he has nothing to offer in return except to say a small prayer : ''Tumkam sogleanc Devan borem korum''. Hence the origin, perhaps of ''Dev borem korun'' Please note that unlike a ''thank you'' the ''Dev borem korun'' has no quid pro quo attached to it.
Re: [Goanet] Colonial East Africa... in maps
--- *** Follow Goanet on Twitter *** http://twitter.com/goanet --- Frederick, They are definitely copyright-free, and quite detailed, but they are in a massive atlas that weighs a ton! Victor --- On Sat, 2/20/10, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote: From: Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Colonial East Africa... in maps To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Saturday, February 20, 2010, 2:23 AM --- *** Follow Goanet on Twitter *** http://twitter.com/goanet --- Hi Victor, Might be worth building an archive of that... specially if they are copyright-unencumbered. I got a 1750 map of Old Goa from the Net, at US$5, and it's copyright free too. Hi-res. Should be somewhere on my comp! FN On 19 February 2010 17:45, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro vrangel...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Frederick, I have East African colonial maps from around 1899. Check this out, a 1959 Caltex map of East African cities: eastafrica-caltex-colonialmap1 http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4368808016/sizes/l/ eastafrica-caltex-colonialmap2-mombasa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4368809272/ eastafrica-caltex-colonialmap3-zanzibar http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4368811828/ eastafrica-caltex-colonialmap4-nairobi http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4368065567/ eastafrica-caltex-colonialmap5-kampala http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4368814990/ eastafrica-caltex-colonialmap6-entebbe http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4368816138/ eastafrica-caltex-colonialmap7-daressalaam http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4368069099/ -- Frederick Noronha Columnist :: journalism :: editing :: alt.publishing :: photography :: blogging P +91-832-2409490 M +91-9822122436 A:784 Saligao 403511 Goa India
Re: [Goanet] Colonial East Africa... in maps
--- *** Follow Goanet on Twitter *** http://twitter.com/goanet --- Dear Frederick, I have East African colonial maps from around 1899. Regards, Victor --- On Thu, 2/18/10, Frederick Noronha f...@goa-india.org wrote: From: Frederick Noronha f...@goa-india.org Subject: [Goanet] Colonial East Africa... in maps To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Thursday, February 18, 2010, 3:38 PM --- *** Follow Goanet on Twitter *** http://twitter.com/goanet --- Check this out, a 1959 Caltex map of East African cities: eastafrica-caltex-colonialmap1 http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4368808016/sizes/l/ eastafrica-caltex-colonialmap2-mombasa http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4368809272/ eastafrica-caltex-colonialmap3-zanzibar http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4368811828/ eastafrica-caltex-colonialmap4-nairobi http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4368065567/ eastafrica-caltex-colonialmap5-kampala http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4368814990/ eastafrica-caltex-colonialmap6-entebbe http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4368816138/ eastafrica-caltex-colonialmap7-daressalaam http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/4368069099/ -- Frederick Noronha Columnist :: journalism :: editing :: alt.publishing :: photography :: blogging P +91-832-2409490 M +91-9822122436 A:784 Saligao 403511 Goa India Please add a 'signature' below your email. Makes it easy when someone wants to contact you!
Re: [Goanet] Two Indian students die in money fight
On the other hand, Gabriel, the news was reported in the Indian press. Warm personal regards, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro --- On Fri, 2/12/10, Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au wrote: From: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au Subject: [Goanet] Two Indian students die in money fight To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Friday, February 12, 2010, 9:46 PM Obviously no racism here, so you won't see it reported in Indian newspapers ... Quote: The Major Crime Squad confirmed on Friday that all three men involved in the altercation were Indian nationals. The two deceased men both held current overseas student visas, while the 22-year-old being questioned by police was living in Australia on an international student visa. Unquote http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/newshome/6795810/two-indian-students-die-in-money-fight/
Re: [Goanet] Coconut tree climbing device...
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Happy New Year Twenty-Ten --- Dear Frederick, Without wanting to take anything away from this talented inventor, may I point out that the best and fastest coconut tree climbing devices are trained monkeys? They are used in some of the South East Asian islands and do an extraordinary job. I saw a documentary on this a couple of years ago, but can give you no other details. Perhaps you with your skills can ferret it out? We already have enough monkeys in our gardens, raiding fruit from our trees and breaking our tiles; perhaps if they learned to pluck our coconuts for us they would earn their keep. Unless, of course, they then begin to hurl coconuts on to our rooftops... Regards, Victor --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Frederick Noronha f...@goa-india.org wrote: From: Frederick Noronha f...@goa-india.org Subject: [Goanet] Coconut tree climbing device... To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Saturday, January 2, 2010, 2:58 PM --- http://www.GOANET.org --- Happy New Year Twenty-Ten --- Of relevance to Goa... http://www.nif.org.in/bd/node/125 Specially as coconut prices fall http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/bsg-goa/message/1664 -- Frederick Noronha Columnist :: journalism :: editing :: alt.publishing :: photography :: blogging
Re: [Goanet] NY institute selects GIM for India programme
Could this be the very prestigious and internationally known Aspen Institute in Aspen, Colorado? Regards, Victor From: Goanet News Service Goa Institute of Management (GIM) has been selected by the prestigious Aspen Institute, New York, as part of its Teaching Innovation Programme India (TIP India) an international consortium of key influencers in business education in India.
Re: [Goanet] Technical analysis of mixing Virgin coconut oil with Holy water
My dear Frederick, This is a fine example of the usefulness of ignorance---in the end, it serves to expand knowledge! My ignorance of the uses of coconut trees led you to enlighten not just me, but the billions of others around the world who don't even know what a coconut tree looks like. It also makes us aware of the next scientific challenge: How to develop a coconut tree that can be used both for its nuts and for making feni! Obviously, anyone who achieves that scientific milestone will be in the running for the Nobel Prize. Regards, Victor --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote: From: Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Technical analysis of mixing Virgin coconut oil with Holy water To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 8:52 AM Dear Victor, Had I been some scientist, I would have lambasted you for promoting unscientific illiteracy about the world of traditional knowledge :-) 2009/12/12 Victor Rangel-Ribeiro vrangel...@yahoo.com: into the mix raises interesting possibilities. The feni should obviously be made from coconut palms, preferably FROM THE VERY SAME TREES whose nuts are turned into the coconut oil being used. (Emphasis added.) As far as I know, a coconut tree can be EITHER used for toddy or for nuts. Not both. I am open to correction on this point, but this was something I recently learnt. Like many of us, I too am quite illiterate about the traditional wisdom of Goa, and local realities here. Mostly considered matters not worth teaching in school and beyond. FN -- Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism
Re: [Goanet] Fw: John Hopkin's Update on cancer.
Dear Frederick, A clarification of my previous post: I meant quality of life, not qualify of life; and the person who died last week had been my son's friend, not companion, since their days together in kindergarten. Companion nowadays holds a different meaning altogether! Regards, Victor --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro vrangel...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Victor Rangel-Ribeiro vrangel...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fw: John Hopkin's Update on cancer. To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 11:29 PM Dear Frederick, There sometimes comes a time in a cancer patient's treatment when the doctor knows that a cure is no longer possible. But chemotherapy can prolong the patient's life another month or two, or perhaps even six months. Hurrah? One response by family members is, We are not ready to let go; at least, if we continue the chemo, we will be together for some more time. Doctors are happy to oblige. But what if the chemo produces dreadful side effects? One also has to consider the qualify of life in the additional time that has been bought. If one is spending one's days and nights in agony, why should one seek to prolong life, anyway? The friend who died last week was our son's companion since childhood, and he died young, at just fifty. He had received repeated chemotherapy treatments even after his situation was defined as terminal; when he could not take the pain and the nausea any more, he shut himself in his room and committed suicide. Regards, Victor --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote: From: Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fw: John Hopkin's Update on cancer. To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 1:53 PM Dear Victor, Regardless of the prank behind the earlier John Hopkins mail, I'm curious to know more of your views on the following: 2009/12/8 Victor Rangel-Ribeiro vrangel...@yahoo.com: Lea and I have had close personal friends who have died as the result of being subjected to too much chemotherapy. One died just a week ago today! Is it possible to have too much chemeotheraphy? I know modern medicine makes it sound as if it has a cure for every ailment (and there's huge money involved), but in a life-threatening situation, where doctors are the only specialists, how does one take a call over this? FN -- Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 ANOTHER GOA: http://tiny.cc/anothergoa Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fredericknoronha Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism
Re: [Goanet] Technical analysis of mixing Virgin coconut oil with Holy water
Dear Santosh, Your suggestion that feni should also be introduced into the mix raises interesting possibilities. The feni should obviously be made from coconut palms, preferably from the very same trees whose nuts are turned into the coconut oil being used. Of course, since caju/cashew feni has its ardent adherents, a separate product could also be developed. Largescale clinical trials would be needed to determine the efficacy of the following: a)medication made using oil and feni from the same trees, vs. that made from different trees; b) palm feni/coconut oil/holy water formula vs. cashew feni/coconut oil/holy concoction. Please note that despite all homeopathic theory and practice, I for one would prefer either of the fenis to be undiluted. I now urge all those interested in this project to seize this splendid business opportunity and begin production, testing, and distribution right away, since the numbers of toddy tappers are fast declining, and it will be years and years before there are enough dwarf coconut trees to meet the worldwide demand! Besides, if we delay, Kerala could get into the act; where would we be then? Regards, Victor --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Technical analysis of mixing Virgin coconut oil with Holy water To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 1:33 PM Marlon forgot to take into account the homeopathic principle of increasing the potency of a drug by repeated dilution. According to homeopathy, the more dilute a drug, the stronger are its therapeutic effects. The strongest drug solution is one in which there is not even a single molecule of the original drug. So what Marlon needs to do, is to mix a drop of virgin coconut oil in a bucket of holy water or vice versa, and serially dilute it repeatedly about 100 times or so. Or, if you want the strongest possible doses of both drugs then you could subject a drop of holy water and a drop of virgin coconut oil to a similar procedure, but using a bucket of feni instead. These concoctions can then be marketed by Goa Suraj Remedies, Pvt Ltd, under a variety of brand names such as Holycoil, Virgihol and Fenicam, and then sold through political radio talk shows, like the Zicam homeopathic cold remedy in the U.S. All we need is a good host (no pun intended), and call him Ros Limboo or something. Cheers, Santosh ACKNOWLEDGEMENT: This work is supported by the Pandurang Project. The Pandurang Project is a charitable activity of the post-presidency of President Pandurang of Chimbel. It is an adult science literacy drive to provide free remedial education to a cyber-audience whose members have been ill-served by their browser, inbox and spam filter. --- On Thu, 12/10/09, marlon menezes goa...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear Dr/Fr. Ivo, President Floriano and St. Fred: Some of my family members are strong believers in the power of holy water. Since the three of you have provided irrefutable proof on the power of virgin coconut oil, my obvious question is what do you think about the combination of the two? One would think that the multiplying/interaction effect could contribute to a tremendous revolution in personal wellbeing! When one mixes things, we must of course understand the interaction parameter between the constituents. For example, would mixing the oil with the holy water make the water less holy? My gut feeling tells me no, after all, the oil being virgin, should have a high level of holiness associated with it. On the other hand, if one were to mix non virgin oil ... things could get pretty screwed up, no pun intended. There would of course be some technical challenges. We all know that one can't simply just mix oil and water. Duh! One would need some sort of emulsifying agent to bind the holy water to the oil. Detergents are a good emulsifying agent. I postulate that detergents are quite holy - after all it is said that cleanliness is next to godliness. With the technical analysis complete, the next step would be to conduct clinical trials on unholy ailments such as AIDS and Erectile Dysfunction (ED). For this we should be able to count of Floriano's large voter bank that will theoretically going to vote for him during the next erection. Good publicity is key as well. For that, we can rely on the power of Goanet and its patron saint Fred to reach all the non-migrant infested corners of Goa (due to limited quantities, this Goan medical revolution will be reserved for Goans only). All true Goans having symptoms of blue blood, your miracle cure awaits you! Amen. Marlon
Re: [Goanet] A new dawn... optimism over football emerging from Goa (Viv...
Photos from Goa's 2009 mando festival: http://www.flickr.com/photos/fn-goa/sets/72157622843319441/ Event on Wed, Thurs evening from 5 pm onwards, Kala Academy, Panaji-Goa Dear Vivek, Wonderful article, that includes a look at past, present and promising future. But while Climax and the coaches stress the need for better training conditions and facilities for adult players, I feel one important aspect is being neglected, and that is the training of the young. By young I mean the very young. In this respect, music and sports have much in common. Here in the west, and more recently in the Far East, children are taught music at a very early age, beginning sometimes at the age of two. By the age of three and four, if they have promise, they are placed in the hands of superb teachers. By the age of eight the best of them are playing concertos at an almost-adult level. Just think---classical music was banned and destroyed in China during the Cultural Revolution. Once that dark period was over, however, the Chinese went after music with a passion. Today, just decades later, young Chinese violinists and pianists and orchestral conductors are among the world's top performers. Ditto for the Koreans. We in Goa have had music in our blood far longer, but alas, except for Patricia Rosario, we have no one else in the same world-beater class! We start too late, have no world-class teachers of music (Patricia herself aside) and lack the passion as well, except in a very few cases. As an example of the results that accrue from good soccer training, I need only cite the example of Natacha, an eleven-year-old girl of Goan descent, based in Virginia, 140 miles south of Washington, DC. She began playing soccer five years ago at age six, joined a local soccer club and attended the club's training camps every year, and played with her team in soccer competitions that were sometimes held in neighbouring states. Seeing her talent and determination, in spring of 2009 her supportive parents started looking for an outside coach and camps; in the summer she went to a camp at a nearby university. Natacha though small in stature is very fleet-footed and plays as what we used to call a forward; the preferred term today seems to be striker. Though she has had excellent coaching in the past, in October this year her parents found an even more proficient coach who makes the training fun; he keeps stressing the need for her to practice moves and ball handling every day, so that it becomes natural during a game. Her team coach this year is also good; he has told her she needs to work on her power kicking and has urged her to take more shots at goal herself, instead of trying to feed the ball to her teammates. Though she was the smallest player on the field, Natacha scored a goal in each of the last three games of the season and the coach wrote her a nice letter of recommendation. Last year's coach had said she has natural skills and plays at a high level and beats defenders in ways he hasn't seen at her age level. Next summer, Natacha, who will be twelve years old by then, will be going with an all-American team to compete in the Gothia Cup 2010 International Soccer Tournament in Sweden; this is a tournament in which, according to the organizers, 1500 teams compete every year. When Natacha steps on to that field in Sweden, her team will be representing the United States, but in our hearts she will be representing Goa as well! Now the aim of the Gothia Tournament is not to identify world beaters but to promote international fellowship; still, the soccer one sees there is played at a very high level indeed. I would urge our soccer coaches and clubs in Goa to take a look at ways they can nurture our young talent, and groom a team to compete in a Gothia Cup International Soccer Tournament three or four years from now. It will help raise our standards and also give our youngsters the kind of highly competitive tournament experience they will need when the time comes for them to head for the World Cup. The upper age limit for Gothia is 18, I believe; but our people in Goa should check this out for themselves. Best regards, Victor
Re: [Goanet] Fw: John Hopkin's Update on cancer.
Dear Frederick, There sometimes comes a time in a cancer patient's treatment when the doctor knows that a cure is no longer possible. But chemotherapy can prolong the patient's life another month or two, or perhaps even six months. Hurrah? One response by family members is, We are not ready to let go; at least, if we continue the chemo, we will be together for some more time. Doctors are happy to oblige. But what if the chemo produces dreadful side effects? One also has to consider the qualify of life in the additional time that has been bought. If one is spending one's days and nights in agony, why should one seek to prolong life, anyway? The friend who died last week was our son's companion since childhood, and he died young, at just fifty. He had received repeated chemotherapy treatments even after his situation was defined as terminal; when he could not take the pain and the nausea any more, he shut himself in his room and committed suicide. Regards, Victor --- On Fri, 12/11/09, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote: From: Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fw: John Hopkin's Update on cancer. To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 1:53 PM Dear Victor, Regardless of the prank behind the earlier John Hopkins mail, I'm curious to know more of your views on the following: 2009/12/8 Victor Rangel-Ribeiro vrangel...@yahoo.com: Lea and I have had close personal friends who have died as the result of being subjected to too much chemotherapy. One died just a week ago today! Is it possible to have too much chemeotheraphy? I know modern medicine makes it sound as if it has a cure for every ailment (and there's huge money involved), but in a life-threatening situation, where doctors are the only specialists, how does one take a call over this? FN -- Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 ANOTHER GOA: http://tiny.cc/anothergoa Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/fredericknoronha Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism
Re: [Goanet] Fw: John Hopkin's Update on cancer.
Dear Frederick,
Johns Hopkins is one of the most prestigious and highly respected medical
institutions in the United States. I thank Eric Pinto for bringing this update
to our attention, because it will help protect thousands of families from
developing cancer if they follow the advice that is being proffered in it.
Lea and I have had close personal friends who have died as the result of
being subjected to too much chemotherapy. One died just a week ago today! Johns
Hopkins is now suggesting that prevention is better than that type of
cure---chemotherapy successful because it killed the cancer cells, but the
patient died as well!
Regards,
Victor
--- On Tue, 12/8/09, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote:
From: Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Goanet] Fw: John Hopkin's Update on cancer.
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org
Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 4:31 AM
Eric, This is apparently an urban legend
http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cancerupdate.asp
probably as accurate as the science-can-do-no-wrong logic we see here. FN
2009/12/7 eric pinto ericpin...@yahoo.com:
This does not carry an endorsement. Please use it along with other
information available to the public. eric.
John Hopkins Update
AFTER YEARS OF TELLING PEOPLE CHEMOTHERAPY IS THE ONLY WAY TO TRY ('TRY',
BEING THE KEY WORD) TO ELIMINATE CANCER, JOHNS HOPKINS IS FINALLY STARTING
TO TELL YOU THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE WAY .
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