[Goanet] Marathas are not Goans
Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:56:37 +0530 From: "Dr. U. G. Barad" I would be interested in knowing as to from where Selma got above information in this particular case. Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:10:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Carvalho Shivaji was a brigand, a hateful, hated brigand, who pillaged and plundered. That he is claimed today by the Shiv Sena, itself should tell us something. Of course they are welcome to their heroes but they are not our heroes and we as Goans should have nothing to do with the culture of hate. Mario observes: Methinks Selmabai, the modern re-incarnation of an intrepid Goan warrior princess, has completely overlooked Dr. Barad's request for her sources about Marathas being wild eyed "brigands", raping and pillaging and generally terrorizing the population. As the lone voice on Goanet of reason, truth and shanti, I would like to know Selmabai's independent source(s) as well. From the absolute certainty in her remarks one may get the idea she knew Shivaji personally and had crossed swords with him:-)) The claim "That he is claimed by the Shiv Sena, itself should tell us something." simply does not tell us anything. The Shiv Sena are simply gaunti Maharashtrians paranoid about Maharashtra being over-run by non-Marashtrians. I seem to vaguely recall that we have some Goans on Goanet paranoid about Goa being over-run by non-Goans and demanding that some mythical "Goan identity" be maintained by some kind of government fiat. Perhaps they should call themselves the Selma Sena:-))
[Goanet] Marathas are not Goans
That's exactly my question.. Then why do we have shiv sainiks in Goa ?
>From what I have learnt about him in school, all I can deduce is that he
was a dangerous diminutive dacoit.
As in all cases, his apostles are good enough example of what he was.
Someone, pls enlighten me if I am wrong.
Thanks,
Blasio
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Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2009 05:10:51 -0700 (PDT)
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--- On Sun, 10/18/09, Dr. U. G. Barad wrote:
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> This is indeed a most strange revisioning of history.?
> History says Shivaji
> was the founder of what became the Maratha Confederacy,
> which ruled most of
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Shivaji was a brigand, a hateful, hated brigand, who pillaged and
plundered. That he is claimed today by the Shiv Sena, itself should tell
us something. Of course they are welcome to their heroes but they are
not our heroes and we as Goans should have nothing to do with the
culture of hate.
best,
selma
Re: [Goanet] Marathas are not Goans
Reminds me of some 'Mentalities' in Goa, who would detest 'RANES' because their clan fought against the Portuguese. The great Shivaji Bhonsle, the leader of masses, fought against the atrocities of invading Moughals and the British to establish 'Swaraj' or the 'secular kingdom' of the natives. Anyway, ignorance is bliss indeed-- you cannot win an argument which is not based on facts. On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 8:55 AM, Frederick Noronha wrote: > > * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * > > > Planning to get married in Goa? > > www.weddingsetcgoa.com > > Making your 'dream wedding' possible > > > > Depends which side of the colonial and regional story we want to > listen to. Also depends, I guess, which text books we studied while at > school! FN > > 2009/10/18 Carvalho wrote: >> -- >> Shivaji was a brigand, a hateful, hated >> brigand, who pillaged and plundered. That >> he is claimed today by the Shiv Sena, >> itself should tell us something. Of course >> they are welcome to their heroes but >> they are not our heroes and we as >> Goans should have nothing to do >> with the culture of hate. > -- > Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 > Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism > Blog: http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com >
Re: [Goanet] Marathas are not Goans
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Depends which side of the colonial and regional story we want to listen to. Also depends, I guess, which text books we studied while at school! FN 2009/10/18 Carvalho wrote: > -- > Shivaji was a brigand, a hateful, hated > brigand, who pillaged and plundered. That > he is claimed today by the Shiv Sena, > itself should tell us something. Of course > they are welcome to their heroes but > they are not our heroes and we as > Goans should have nothing to do > with the culture of hate. -- Frederick Noronha :: +91-832-2409490 Writing, editing, alt.publishing, photography, journalism Blog: http://fredericknoronha.wordpress.com
Re: [Goanet] Marathas are not Goans
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible --- On Sun, 10/18/09, Dr. U. G. Barad wrote: > > This is indeed a most strange revisioning of history. > History says Shivaji > was the founder of what became the Maratha Confederacy, > which ruled most of -- Shivaji was a brigand, a hateful, hated brigand, who pillaged and plundered. That he is claimed today by the Shiv Sena, itself should tell us something. Of course they are welcome to their heroes but they are not our heroes and we as Goans should have nothing to do with the culture of hate. best, selma
[Goanet] Marathas are not Goans
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Selma Carvalho writes: "Marathas have never been Goans. While the Goan has a history of being passive and peace-loving, the Maratha has a history of being a warrior clan. One reason Maharashtra fell to the British was because bands of Maratha thugs used to routinely go around raping, pillaging and destroying villages. It was almost a relief to have the British render some peace." This is indeed a most strange revisioning of history. History says Shivaji was the founder of what became the Maratha Confederacy, which ruled most of India prior to the arrival of the British in India. Jawaharalal Nehru has even written that "(The Moghul) Empire had vanished long ago even before the British arrived upon the scene The Marathas had smashed it and controlled Delhi itself... Ranjit Singh ruled in the Punjab. Moghul rule had ended in the North without any intervention of the British, and in the South also it had disintegrated." I would be interested in knowing as to from where Selma got above information in this particular case. Best regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
Re: [Goanet] Marathas are not Goans
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Selma dear, How's this line? 'I love my State, my Country, But I also very dearly love the money that brings precious votes to my kitty'. Cheers floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Carvalho" To: " estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list" Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 12:13 PM Subject: [Goanet] Marathas are not Goans Marathas have never been Goans. While the Goan has a history of being passive and peace-loving, the Maratha has a history of being a warrior clan. One reason Maharashtra fell to the British was because bands of Maratha thugs used to routinely go around raping, pillaging and destroying villages. It was almost a relief to have the British render some peace. Marathas have for centuries eyed Goa and now they seek to destroy it through these divisive means. I cannot even muster contempt for human beings who would plant bombs to wound, maim and kill innocent, hapless children. They are beyond contempt. I only hope Goan Hindus realise now that they are fanning the flames of a forest-fire when they begin to play with matches of communalism. Having said that, if Digu doesn't ban these groups, if India itself doesn't act decisively everytime we see communalism rear its ugly head, then it really is all over for India. We are on the threshold of becoming another bastion of terrorism, now that these groups have weaponised. Bombings will become just another thing we Indians will learn to live with, just like the spitting and the slums. Best, selma
[Goanet] Marathas are not Goans
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Marathas have never been Goans. While the Goan has a history of being passive and peace-loving, the Maratha has a history of being a warrior clan. One reason Maharashtra fell to the British was because bands of Maratha thugs used to routinely go around raping, pillaging and destroying villages. It was almost a relief to have the British render some peace. Marathas have for centuries eyed Goa and now they seek to destroy it through these divisive means. I cannot even muster contempt for human beings who would plant bombs to wound, maim and kill innocent, hapless children. They are beyond contempt. I only hope Goan Hindus realise now that they are fanning the flames of a forest-fire when they begin to play with matches of communalism. Having said that, if Digu doesn't ban these groups, if India itself doesn't act decisively everytime we see communalism rear its ugly head, then it really is all over for India. We are on the threshold of becoming another bastion of terrorism, now that these groups have weaponised. Bombings will become just another thing we Indians will learn to live with, just like the spitting and the slums. Best, selma
