Re: [Goanet] Cross Pollination
--- On Sun, 7/25/10, Jim Fernandes amigo...@att.net wrote: This is my last email to you on this thread - unless circumstances change that would warrant me to write back again. Shri Fernandes, Sorry to see you take your marbles and go home. It looks like you could not achieve what you boasted about on Goanet for so long. It must be really embarrassing for you. Even in your last post all you could manage was more empty threats, fake boasts and lame insults violating two important anti-abuse rules of Goanet. Your circumstances have certainly changed on Goanet. It is hard for any sensible person to take you seriously from now on. So as I had predicted, all this ended in a shameful disappointment for you. Once again, I am sorry about that. Cheers, Santosh P.S. BTW, two more things: 1. I had asked you to return the money that both the U.S. government and the Indian government has spent on your education. Please tell me where you were educated, so I can calculate how much it is. You also need to return the government contract money that your employer has received to pay your wages. 2. Since you know nothing about medical research, let alone my own, let me inform you that if you come to our hospital, I will tell you and show you exactly how my research will benefit you and the younger generations that will carry your genes. --- On Sun, 7/25/10, Jim Fernandes amigo...@att.net wrote: This is my last email to you on this thread - unless circumstances change that would warrant me to write back again. I haven't yet exercized the full potential of my retaliation. I am definitely not going to reveal to you what I got in my arsenal. In military terms - its called 'element of surprise'. I reserve the right to retain all options on the table and I shall use my options at the time of my choosing. For now, I shall keep you guessing :) There is zero chance of any benefit senhor Helekar's research is going to benefit any humans. The only cure that could come from the non-sense that he is talking about, is either with the use of stem cells or by altering human DNA with the use of a virus that could be used to 'fix' the genetic damage to the concerned individual. So please go ahead and return my tax money back to the US federal agency. Because I requested him to return the 'dole' back to the US government, senhor Helekar wants me to return the tax payer money I might have gotten for my education in India. Does this punk have any idea, how much money I have paid to the Indian government in taxes? I have given much more to India than what I got. Just this year alone, I paid some close to Rs 1,000,000 (some US $20,000) in customs duty for some stuff that I sent to Goa. I could have easily bribed some Babu - far less money - at the Indian customs and sneaked my stuff in. But I paid the money to the Indian government via actual bank transfers. India should be proud of an OCI like me. Don't you agree :) . Finally, this punk admits that the US is the number one country in the world for technological advancement. He also admits (though half heartedly) that India is no match for the US. How cool is that for this hypocrite? Jim F New York * * * UK STOCKS EXHAUSTED! After a community-supported launch at Croydon, Selma Carvalho's *Into the Diaspora Wilderness* is available at Broadways Book Centre, Panjim [Ph +91-9822488564] Price (in Goa only) Rs 295. Ask a friend to pick up a copy. Details of the book http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/ * * *
Re: [Goanet] Cross Pollination
- Francis Rodrigues wrote: Forgetting the Can Spam Act...selective amnesia. --- Marshall Mendonza wrote: In the good old days of the opium trade this was known as 'being shanghaied' :-) - Santosh Helekar wrote: I have helped set up two Goan public forums - Goenchim Xapotam and Amchea Goencarancheo Dhirio. - GL responds: This is my last post on this thread and hopefully we-all will see the last of the spam mail from Goans on the now infamous e-mail list. This is for those who still have their humor intact. There is always evolution, . even among Goans. What do we call, when an e-mail list put together by a registered legitimate or over-the top Goan forum, is then enthusiastically or fraudulently used / permitted / allowed, to be used or is the building block for registered or non-registered spam mailing? I would designate/ term this practice, by design or through selective amnesia, as being SANTOSHED. I am applying for copyright to this term. In the interim, I encourage all Goans to use and make the word being santoshed popular. If successful, next year this time, this word will make it into the New English Words list and in ten years, this will likely make it into the Webster Dictionary. Imagine a Goanet contribution to the e-net vocabulary while honoring a Goan for an innovation. Regards, GL * * * UK STOCKS EXHAUSTED! After a community-supported launch at Croydon, Selma Carvalho's *Into the Diaspora Wilderness* is available at Broadways Book Centre, Panjim [Ph +91-9822488564] Price (in Goa only) Rs 295. Ask a friend to pick up a copy. Details of the book http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/ * * *
Re: [Goanet] Cross Pollination
--- On Fri, 7/23/10, Jim Fernandes amigo...@att.net wrote: Let me repeat this once again, I have set you in my cross-wires as the next target. You are messing with the wrong guy. So what else is new? Instead of logic and reason, we have another instance of the same senseless verbal exercise of compensation for impotence from Shri Fernandes – another empty public threat and more hot air. We used to call them pokio fotaxio in Chimbel. But it is clear that he has been trying awfully hard without success to do the following: 1. Make me shut up, or shut me down, as he put it. 2. Get me to stop carrying on a discussion about issues that interest me in any Goan forum I want to. 3. Get me kicked out of Goanet. 4. Get me fired from my job. 5. Cause me to not be able to practice my profession. 6. Take the award I have received away from me, or make me give it back. And now he is talking about cross wires and targets. Apart from being an admission of his impotence to do anything to me so far, after all the vacuous bravado and threatening he has already engaged in on Goanet, I am not sure what he means by the specific words he has used, and how far this man is capable of going. So I would like to know from him the following: Shri Fernandes, What exactly are you threatening to do to me this time? I will wait for him to answer this question. But at this point one thing is clear from all this. There is nothing logical, rational or sensible about this man’s behavior that we are witnessing. To me another thing that is clear is that this is an exercise that will only end in disappointment for him, unless he relents. He will not be able to do any of the things I have listed above that he wants to do to me. He can rant and rave, huff and puff and blow as much steam as he has in him till the cows come home on Goanet. He is absolutely powerless as far as doing anything to me or anybody else. He may delude himself that he is the wrong guy to mess with. But the truth is that he is simply wrong. Now let me address the atrocious points and questions he has raised below: I disagreed with that assertion, which is when you decided to forward my response to your own little private list. The members of this list, then went on to SPAM me endlessly. This is another of Fernandes’ bogus self-aggrandizing delusions. Fernandes appears to have been born yesterday. The truth is I have been discussing this issue with, and copying my responses to, people on the other Goan mailing list long before he entered this discussion on Goanet. In the thread in question my first response copied to that mailing list was to Adv. Radharao Gracias’ article posted on Goanet and GX by Floriano. The present response will also be copied there, regardless of what Fernandes or anybody else thinks. In a free democracy each individual has a fundamental right to express his/her opinion wherever he/she wants, and in however many forums he/she wants. Nobody can do anything about it. Now that you admit that you got dole from the US federal government agency (National Science Foundation) to run your little birdie experiment, I'd like to request you to return the grant back to the agency. The above statement reveals that Fernandes quite obviously does not value scientific advancement supported by highly competitive and coveted public funding obtained through sheer hard work and intellectual rigor. Had it not been for public funding of scientific research and institutions like the National Science Foundation, Fernandes would not have a computer or an internet or the “complex” mathematics that keeps him employed rather than spend his time threatening, bloviating and abusing others. If India is so great, what are you doing here in the US? As I have already said in response to Adv. Gracias, the U.S. is the best place in the world to do the kind of research that I am doing. The fact that U.S. is greater than India in my field does not mean India is not great. I have already pointed out why India is greater than many European, North and South American and Asian countries, such as Portugal, Spain, Turkey, Australia, South Korea, Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, South Korea, Indonesia, etc., in terms of Nobel Prizes awarded for work done in the same country. Why are you using my money (my taxpayer money) to further your knowledge? Another emission from the depths of ignorance! I am using my taxpayer money, my skills, my mind and my blood and sweat to advance scientific knowledge for the benefit of all humankind, so one day when Fernandes and/or his descendants need the best treatment for some brain disorder they will have the chance to get it. Why don't you go back to India and beg with the Indian government for the grant? Either Fernandes believes he did not beg with some employer to obtain the computer job he is doing, and his employer did not beg for a government/private contract, or he has
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So you took out one target. I assume even though you live in New York City, you did not use Mafia tactics. May be what you did was neutralized / neutered / made miskut. Mercifully, you have spared us from knowing his name - obviously tongue-in-cheek statement.:=)). I am fairly certain it is not a woman. Goan women do not behave badly and you are too much of a gentleman to do such thing to a woman. So you went after the guy with the biggest you-know-what-I-mean. Hence supurlo goenkars like moi should just go about our normal work. After-all while some are fortunate, most of us have to work to keep our sanity. Now each goanetter thinks that the person you have neutered is the Numbro Uno on their list of abusers (the source of the dadagiri). So we all say thank-you for giving each of us that peace of mind, that we could use on his weekend. Interestingly you may or may not know, the spam mail in my e-mail box has now stopped. It is all 'ekdom thanda'. So why were so many polite posts from several Goans (privately and publicly) ignored by few Goans. Have they lost sight of the 'Folkways and Mores' of the Goan community? ... till you came along.:=)) Not to loose this 'learning moment', what exactly is Folkways and Mores? And why do we need to observe them? See my next post for answers. Regards, GL --- Jim Fernandes wrote: I am glad to report to you all that I took out one target this morning. This target had been bothering me on an external list for some time. I had been requesting these people to remove me from their list for weeks, but they wouldn't. After the action I took earlier today, I have been given to understand that I would not be bothered again. Good job. I appreciate that. * * * IS YOURS one of the stories of Goans on board the S.S. Dwarka, or at the Strait of Hormuz, Basra or Bahrain, Dubai, Swindon, Mombasa, Poona or Rangoon? Selma Carvalho's new book *Into the Diaspora Wilderness* docks at many other ports. Get your copy from Broadways, Panjim [9822488564] Rs 295. Pp extra. http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
Re: [Goanet] Cross Pollination
Real fun watching Goan cyberspace's No. 1 Spam Hound (SH) squirm, with none of his sneer-buddies backing up his false bluster! Even more hilarious - neuro Helekar who spent the better part of a year spitting out authoritative quotes at poor Fr. Ivo, now feebly quotes the widely-discredited Wikipedia as his sole authority on spam!! Forgetting the Can Spam Act...selective amnesia? He barely escaped being nuked - just that I've very little interest in these scientific pseuds! FR --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Marshall Mendonza wrote: Jim Fernandes: The reason I am writing about this on GoaNet is because, a fellow GoaNetter named Santosh Helekar included me in this non-GoaNet related group, when I responded to a thread on GoaNet. He had no business of cross-pollinating debates and then include my email ID, in such external groups, without my permission. Comment: In the good old days of the opium trade this was known as 'being shanghaied' :-) Regards, Marshall From: Gilbert Lawrence To: goa...@goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Cross Polination Please STOP YOUR SPAM MAIL. Which part to this do you not understand? Once again you are cross-posting to start another ring-ma-roll. Unless this is your method of informing others to stop being weeds. Why did you cross-post my post on this thread to?one other?forum and not all the others to which you belong? Please ONCE AGAIN, let us know which of these multiple forums did you put together?or are registered?in your name.? GL - Santosh Helekar Since Gilbert has now gotten into this debate, while simultaneously denying that he has no intention of doing it, I would like to ask him the following questions to be able to provide appropriate answers because of my longstanding membership of several Goan internet forums: _ MSN Dating: Find someone special. Start now. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9734384 * * * IS YOURS one of the stories of Goans on board the S.S. Dwarka, or at the Strait of Hormuz, Basra or Bahrain, Dubai, Swindon, Mombasa, Poona or Rangoon? Selma Carvalho's new book *Into the Diaspora Wilderness* docks at many other ports. Get your copy from Broadways, Panjim [9822488564] Rs 295. Pp extra. http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Dr Lawrence, My family and I were away on a weekend getaway checking out the great mansions and enjoying the ambience of Newport, Rhode Island. We just got back a little while ago and decided to go through my inbox. I found your note rather amusing. No, I didn't have to use any of my boys from the bronx for my operation. It was executed in plain and simple old fashioned way. My advice to you and to any GoaNetter out there is, to net let bullies get the better of you. Even though I am a Catholic and the bible tells us to 'extend the other cheek, if we are hit on one', I operate slightly differently - I hit back twice as hard! Cheers, Jim F New York --- On Sun, 7/25/10, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Cross Pollination To: goa...@goanet.org Date: Sunday, July 25, 2010, 12:06 AM So you took out one target. I assume even though you live in New York City, you did not use Mafia tactics. May be what you did was neutralized / neutered / made miskut. Mercifully, you have spared us from knowing his name - obviously tongue-in-cheek statement.:=)). I am fairly certain it is not a woman. Goan women do not behave badly and you are too much of a gentleman to do such thing to a woman. So you went after the guy with the biggest you-know-what-I-mean. Hence supurlo goenkars like moi should just go about our normal work. After-all while some are fortunate, most of us have to work to keep our sanity. Now each goanetter thinks that the person you have neutered is the Numbro Uno on their list of abusers (the source of the dadagiri). So we all say thank-you for giving each of us that peace of mind, that we could use on his weekend. Interestingly you may or may not know, the spam mail in my e-mail box has now stopped. It is all 'ekdom thanda'. So why were so many polite posts from several Goans (privately and publicly) ignored by few Goans. Have they lost sight of the 'Folkways and Mores' of the Goan community? ... till you came along.:=)) Not to loose this 'learning moment', what exactly is Folkways and Mores? And why do we need to observe them? See my next post for answers. Regards, GL --- Jim Fernandes wrote: I am glad to report to you all that I took out one target this morning. This target had been bothering me on an external list for some time. I had been requesting these people to remove me from their list for weeks, but they wouldn't. After the action I took earlier today, I have been given to understand that I would not be bothered again. Good job. I appreciate that. * * * IS YOURS one of the stories of Goans on board the S.S. Dwarka, or at the Strait of Hormuz, Basra or Bahrain, Dubai, Swindon, Mombasa, Poona or Rangoon? Selma Carvalho's new book *Into the Diaspora Wilderness* docks at many other ports. Get your copy from Broadways, Panjim [9822488564] Rs 295. Pp extra. http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/ * * * IS YOURS one of the stories of Goans on board the S.S. Dwarka, or at the Strait of Hormuz, Basra or Bahrain, Dubai, Swindon, Mombasa, Poona or Rangoon? Selma Carvalho's new book *Into the Diaspora Wilderness* docks at many other ports. Get your copy from Broadways, Panjim [9822488564] Rs 295. Pp extra. http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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After Gilbert and Marshall, now another member with personal issues is discharging his puerile potshots at me again. Speaking of backing up, it appears that all the backing up is being done by the now defunct FCA Rodriquez and Company. Most of these characters who have never shown any ability to stand up on their own in a sober rational debate appear to have been recruited as sidekicks and hecklers in this thread. But FCA Rodriguez is in a delirium of his own. He babbles I escaped being nuked by his Nerf gun, and fantasizes that I quoted something from the Wikipedia. I would recommend to FCA that he hide behind the skirts of Waylusha and Isabel again. He is no match for Gilbert. Cheers, Santosh --- On Sun, 7/25/10, Francis Rodrigues fcarodrig...@hotmail.com wrote: Real fun watching Goan cyberspace's No. 1 Spam Hound (SH) squirm, with none of his sneer-buddies backing up his false bluster! Even more hilarious - neuro Helekar who spent the better part of a year spitting out authoritative quotes at poor Fr. Ivo, now feebly quotes the widely-discredited Wikipedia as his sole authority on spam!! Forgetting the Can Spam Act...selective amnesia? He barely escaped being nuked - just that I've very little interest in these scientific pseuds! FR * * * IS YOURS one of the stories of Goans on board the S.S. Dwarka, or at the Strait of Hormuz, Basra or Bahrain, Dubai, Swindon, Mombasa, Poona or Rangoon? Selma Carvalho's new book *Into the Diaspora Wilderness* docks at many other ports. Get your copy from Broadways, Panjim [9822488564] Rs 295. Pp extra. http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Senhore Helekar, This is my last email to you on this thread - unless circumstances change that would warrant me to write back again. I haven't yet exercized the full potential of my retaliation. I am definitely not going to reveal to you what I got in my arsenal. In military terms - its called 'element of surprise'. I reserve the right to retain all options on the table and I shall use my options at the time of my choosing. For now, I shall keep you guessing :) There is zero chance of any benefit senhor Helekar's research is going to benefit any humans. The only cure that could come from the non-sense that he is talking about, is either with the use of stem cells or by altering human DNA with the use of a virus that could be used to 'fix' the genetic damage to the concerned individual. So please go ahead and return my tax money back to the US federal agency. Because I requested him to return the 'dole' back to the US government, senhor Helekar wants me to return the tax payer money I might have gotten for my education in India. Does this punk have any idea, how much money I have paid to the Indian government in taxes? I have given much more to India than what I got. Just this year alone, I paid some close to Rs 1,000,000 (some US $20,000) in customs duty for some stuff that I sent to Goa. I could have easily bribed some Babu - far less money - at the Indian customs and sneaked my stuff in. But I paid the money to the Indian government via actual bank transfers. India should be proud of an OCI like me. Don't you agree :) . Finally, this punk admits that the US is the number one country in the world for technological advancement. He also admits (though half heartedly) that India is no match for the US. How cool is that for this hypocrite? Jim F New York --- On Sat, 7/24/10, Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Cross Pollination To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Saturday, July 24, 2010, 8:58 PM --- On Fri, 7/23/10, Jim Fernandes amigo...@att.net wrote: ... ... And now he is talking about cross wires and targets. Apart from being an admission of his impotence to do anything to me so far, ... ... ... Shri Fernandes, What exactly are you threatening to do to me this time? ... ... He will not be able to do any of the things I have listed above that he wants to do to me. He can rant and rave, huff and puff and blow as much steam as he has in him till the cows come home on Goanet. He is absolutely powerless as far as doing anything to me or anybody else. ... ... If India is so great, what are you doing here in the US? As I have already said in response to Adv. Gracias, the U.S. is the best place in the world to do the kind of research that I am doing. The fact that U.S. is greater than India in my field does not mean India is not great. I have already pointed out why India is greater than many European, North and South American and Asian countries, such as Portugal, Spain, Turkey, Australia, South Korea, Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, South Korea, Indonesia, etc., in terms of Nobel Prizes awarded for work done in the same country. ... ... Why are you using my money (my taxpayer money) to further your knowledge? Another emission from the depths of ignorance! I am using my taxpayer money, my skills, my mind and my blood and sweat to advance scientific knowledge for the benefit of all humankind, so one day when Fernandes and/or his descendants need the best treatment for some brain disorder they will have the chance to get it. Why don't you go back to India and beg with the Indian government for the grant? ... ... It is also highly likely that someone’s donations and taxpayer money supported Fernandes’ education in the U.S. and India. So if anybody should return public money it is Fernandes who should do it, because unlike me, he is not ... ... Cheers, Santosh * * * IS YOURS one of the stories of Goans on board the S.S. Dwarka, or at the Strait of Hormuz, Basra or Bahrain, Dubai, Swindon, Mombasa, Poona or Rangoon? Selma Carvalho's new book *Into the Diaspora Wilderness* docks at many other ports. Get your copy from Broadways, Panjim [9822488564] Rs 295. Pp extra. http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
Re: [Goanet] Cross Pollination
Dear GoaNetters, I am glad to report to you all that I took out one target this morning. This target had been bothering me on an external list for some time. I had been requesting these people to remove me from their list for weeks, but they wouldn't. After the action I took earlier today, I have been given to understand that I would not be bothered again. Good job. I appreciate that. I'd like to state once again, that a debate that starts on GoaNet (at least where my response is concerned) would stay on GoaNet. Do not ever try to drag me elsewhere - my retaliation when I respond back, would be catastrophic. Now, coming to Senhor Helekar, I am not about done with you just yet. We have finally come full circle :) The initial debate on GoaNet started with the thread wherein you claimed how great India is and how great scientific material India has contributed to the rest of the world. I disagreed with that assertion, which is when you decided to forward my response to your own little private list. The members of this list, then went on to SPAM me endlessly. Now that you admit that you got dole from the US federal government agency (National Science Foundation) to run your little birdie experiment, I'd like to request you to return the grant back to the agency. If India is so great, what are you doing here in the US? Why are you using my money (my taxpayer money) to further your knowledge? Why don't you go back to India and beg with the Indian government for the grant? Let me repeat this once again, I have set you in my cross-wires as the next target. You are messing with the wrong guy. Jim F --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Cross Pollination To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Thursday, July 22, 2010, 12:32 PM --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Jim Fernandes amigo...@att.net wrote: Since I am not able to make you understand simple logic, let me make take this to the REAL next level. Shri Fernandes, Sorry to break this to you, but the fact that you are becoming increasingly desperate to take things to what you consider to be the next level clearly shows that logic is ... ... What you have written below is a tragic escalation of a personal hatred you have developed towards me because your inability to present a logical and sensible argument in ... ... I had merely cced to you and to another Goan Indian forum, my Goanet response to your and Nascimento Caldeira's public criticism of scientific advancement in India on Goanet. In ... ... So your silly insinuation of copyright violation on my part is nothing but malicious slander, as is the case with ... ... So I am telling you again. There is nothing you can do to me personally. Please feel free to cc my public posts to anybody you want. You will not be violating any copyright or breaking any Goanet rules. Please don't let your imagination ... ... Lastly, Thanks for providing a link to the announcement that I have received a scientific award from the U.S. National Science Foundation. Cheers, Santosh P.S. BTW, please don't be shy to include your own supervisors and employer(s) on the cc list. You might ... ... * * * IS YOURS one of the stories of Goans on board the S.S. Dwarka, or at the Strait of Hormuz, Basra or Bahrain, Dubai, Swindon, Mombasa, Poona or Rangoon? Selma Carvalho's new book *Into the Diaspora Wilderness* docks at many other ports. Get your copy from Broadways, Panjim [9822488564] Rs 295. Pp extra. http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/
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Senhor Helekar, Since I am not able to make you understand simple logic, let me make take this to the REAL next level. You did the following: 1. A response of mine to an ongoing GoaNet was forwarded by you, to your own little private list and you included my email ID in that list, thereby breaking GoaNet rule first. 2. You and members of that list engaged in what I call SPAM - because at least some folks continued sending me emails, when I categorically requested to remove me from that list. 3. As Fred pointed out in one his emails, I still own copyright of the email I write on GoaNet. You forwarded it out to an external group without my permission. Once you break the rules, whatever follows - including my language - is nothing but self defense. You left the door open for me to slam you whichever way I want - its that simple. Now, here's what I am going to do, if I am forced to continue putting up with your garbage: 1. Copy the SPAM from your private list to your address at shele...@bcm.edu 2. Include all people of my choosing from the upper management at Baylor College of Medicine in that SPAM list 3. Include J. Steven de Belle and all upper management at the National Science Foundation in that SPAM list Let them also get a taste of what I am talking about here at GoaNet. If all this does not ring a bell in your neurons, take a look at the below links: 1. http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward.do?AwardNumber=0956265 2. http://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/afSearch.do?PILastName=HelekarPIFirstName=Santoshpage=4SearchType=afSearchQueryText=ProgProgram=COPILastName=COPIFirstName=IncludeCOPI=PIInstitution=PIState=PIZip=PICountry=ProgOrganization=ProgOfficer=ProgEleCode=ProgRefCode=ProgFoaCode=CongDistCode=AwardNumberOperator=AwardNumberFrom=AwardNumberTo=StartDateOperator=ExpDateOperator=StartDateFrom=StartDateTo=ExpDateFrom=ExpDateTo=AwardAmount=AwardInstrument=Search=Search#results You are messing up with the wrong guy. You may be a neuro scientist. In my line of work, we deal with complex mathematical problems and convert them to computer programs - Which makes me think like a chess player. I keep several moves ready much before my opponent makes his. Now go back crying to your Bahama Mama and complain to her that I whacked you yet one more time :) Jim F New York. --- On Tue, 7/20/10, Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Cross Pollination To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Tuesday, July 20, 2010, 11:02 PM Shri Fernandes, It looks like you are at a point now that you need some kind of emotional release. Unfortunately, I suspect you are afraid to do this in public. But you have started escalating your abusive behavior to a new level. You have now also graduated to lying about what I said in response to the personal attack that you initiated against me on Goanet. First, here are new examples of your indecent abusive verbiage and name-calling directed at me in continued clear violation of a Goanet rule: Are you visually challenged or brain dead? Shri Jim Fernandes abusing me ... ... Shri Fernandes, you are wasting your hot air. Your persistent abuse will invariably lead to a public embarrassment for you. There is nothing you can do to me. Cheers, Santosh * * * The book people are already talking about: Goanetter Selma Carvalho's *Into the Diaspora Wilderness*. Launch on July 25, 2010 at the UK Goan Festival [http://goafest.itpsworld.net] Goa launch next month. See http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/ Buy at Broadway's, Panjim [Ph 9822488564] at Rs 295 in Goa. Overseas, postage extra. * * *
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--- On Thu, 7/22/10, Jim Fernandes amigo...@att.net wrote: Since I am not able to make you understand simple logic, let me make take this to the REAL next level. Shri Fernandes, Sorry to break this to you, but the fact that you are becoming increasingly desperate to take things to what you consider to be the next level clearly shows that logic is not your forte. There is no logic in anything you have written so far on Goanet, and in especially what you have written below. What you have written below is a tragic escalation of a personal hatred you have developed towards me because your inability to present a logical and sensible argument in support of your imaginary Goanet rules and your public statements. It is an abusive public threat against an individual who has done nothing wrong to you personally. I had merely cced to you and to another Goan Indian forum, my Goanet response to your and Nascimento Caldeira's public criticism of scientific advancement in India on Goanet. In it there was a clear representation that it was my response to your and his public posts. Here is that public response of mine in the very public Goanet and GX archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg63502.html http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoenchimXapotam/message/28685 Please note that appended to my response are accurate attributions of whatever the two of you had written on Goanet, with these automatically attached phrases: --- On Thu, 7/1/10, Nascy Caldeira nascy...@... wrote: --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Jim Fernandes amigo...@... wrote: So your silly insinuation of copyright violation on my part is nothing but malicious slander, as is the case with delirious threats you are making in this latest post of yours appended below. Following my cc to you and to the other Goan mailing list in question, as soon as you asked not to be cced on reply all responses by me and to me by others, I promptly removed your email address from my subsequent responses. I told you so immediately after you started abusing others on that list with the most filthy and obnoxious language one has ever heard. Not satisfied with doing that you started attacking and abusing me personally in that forum and on Goanet. Now you have reached a state wherein you are overcome with anger and malice towards me. So I am telling you again. There is nothing you can do to me personally. Please feel free to cc my public posts to anybody you want. You will not be violating any copyright or breaking any Goanet rules. Please don't let your imagination tell you otherwise. And, since you forgot to include the email address of the President of the United States and the Prime Minister of India, I am giving their contact information below: http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact http://pmindia.nic.in/write.htm Now, here are my specific responses to the additional nonsense you have written below: You are messing up with the wrong guy. You may be a neuro scientist. In my line of work, we deal with complex mathematical problems and convert them to computer programs - Which makes me think like a chess player. I keep several moves ready much before my opponent makes his. From what I have seen of you on Goanet, the only move you are capable of is publicly abusing people who have done nothing wrong to you, and with whom you merely have some disagreements. If this is what you did in a real chess tournament you would not only be beaten like a drum by your opponent, but kicked out of the tournament by the referees after your very first move. Now go back crying to your Bahama Mama and complain to her that I whacked you yet one more time :) You are once again publicly abusing a fellow Goanetter, and breaking the following Goanet rules: Do not use foul, offensive or abusive language. Do not engage in personal attacks. Please see: http://www.goanet.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=9 Lastly, Thanks for providing a link to the announcement that I have received a scientific award from the U.S. National Science Foundation. Cheers, Santosh P.S. BTW, please don't be shy to include your own supervisors and employer(s) on the cc list. You might receive a promotion to a chess grand master or a complex mathematical computer keyboard operator or something. --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Jim Fernandes amigo...@att.net wrote: Senhor Helekar, Since I am not able to make you understand simple logic, let me make take this to the REAL next level. You did the following: 1. A response of mine to an ongoing GoaNet was forwarded by you, to your own little private list and you included my email ID in that list, thereby breaking GoaNet rule first. 2. You and members of that list engaged in what I call SPAM - because at least some folks continued sending me emails, when I categorically requested to remove me from that list. 3. As Fred pointed out in one his emails, I still own copyright of the
Re: [Goanet] Cross Pollination
Adding to what is said below, I am writing this to let you know that another fellow Goanetter named Marshall Mendonza sent me an unsolicited email, adding me to his private cc list of friends and supporters, with the sole purpose of issuing a legal threat against me. He had no business threatening me in this manner, in the company of his community of his allies and political supporters. To provide you with proof of what I am saying here, I kindly request Marshall Mendonza to give me permission to post his email threatening me, drawing support from other members of his gang. Cheers, Santosh --- On Thu, 7/22/10, Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.com wrote: Jim Fernandes: The reason I am writing about this on GoaNet is because, a fellow GoaNetter named Santosh Helekar included me in this non-GoaNet related group, when I responded to a thread on GoaNet. He had no business of cross-pollinating debates and then include my email ID, in such external groups, without my permission. Comment: In the good old days of the opium trade this was known as 'being shanghaied' :-) Regards, Marshall * * * The book people are already talking about: Goanetter Selma Carvalho's *Into the Diaspora Wilderness*. Launch on July 25, 2010 at the UK Goan Festival [http://goafest.itpsworld.net] Goa launch next month. See http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/ Buy at Broadway's, Panjim [Ph 9822488564] at Rs 295 in Goa. Overseas, postage extra. * * *
Re: [Goanet] Cross Pollination
Shri Fernandes, It looks like you are at a point now that you need some kind of emotional release. Unfortunately, I suspect you are afraid to do this in public. But you have started escalating your abusive behavior to a new level. You have now also graduated to lying about what I said in response to the personal attack that you initiated against me on Goanet. First, here are new examples of your indecent abusive verbiage and name-calling directed at me in continued clear violation of a Goanet rule: Are you visually challenged or brain dead? Shri Jim Fernandes abusing me A looser like senhor Helekar when he realizes he is loosing a debate, he forwards his target's email address to his private list as a punishment, whose at least one member engages in spam. Shri Jim Fernandes abusing me more Second, here is the lie that you are now telling Goanetters about what I said in response to your initial personal attack against me, in violation of another Goanet rule: Some days ago, you claimed GoaNet has no rules whatesoever. Shri Jim Fernandes lying in public about what I said. This is what I actually said in my post some days ago: These bogus rules and etiquettes of yours are a figment of your imagination. Goanet has no such rules. Santosh Helekar referring to the specific fictitious rules and etiquettes that Shri Fernandes was fantasizing about. Please note the phrases bogus rules and etiquettes of yours and no such rules. Please see the following link to my relevant Goanet post: http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg63983.html Here is Shri Fernandes' statement about these specific fictitious rules to which I referred as such rules: I have posted this topic on GoaNet because the debate started on GoaNet - you took it private to some group you obviously feel comfortable with. This is in clear violation of net etiquette and GoaNet rules. Shri Jim Fernandes fabricating some new non-existent Goanet rules Please see http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg63982.html The fact that I have always been fully aware of Goanet rules is clear from the following response of mine to Admin Noronha in the same thread immediately after: Instead of sticking to existing Goanet rules, and abiding by them himself, in the first place, while strictly observing the duties of an administrator entrusted with the responsibility of running a mailing list, Admin Noronha is manufacturing bogus controversies. .Santosh Helekar Please see: http://www.mail-archive.com/goanet@lists.goanet.org/msg64009.html Now, let me address the new canards you are pulling and the empty threats you are making in this public forum, unable to point to a single Goanet rule that explicitly states what you have fabricated from your imagination. Shri Jim Fernandes wrote: What portion of the above rule do you not understand senhor Helekar? The portion of your mentality that drives you to post only a portion of the entire rule. The important main portion of the rule that you conveniently left out of your quote is the following: Do not post spam. Goanet Rule Please see: http://www.goanet.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=9 Sensible Goanetters will immediately understand why you deceptively left out this portion. To be fair to you, let me hasten to add that I am not sure if, in your current emotional state, you have managed to deceive yourself, in the first place, as well. But calm, sober and sensible people would have no problem understanding that the above rule, as stated, prohibits the posting of spam only on Goanet, not in any other forum. Goanet has no control over the posting of any of its publicly displayed content in any other private or public forum. Shri Jim Fernandes wrote: Cross posts means anything from GoaNet to the outside lists and vice-versa. This is another figment of your imagination. There is no such statement anywhere in Goanet Rules. The spam rule simply states that members should not post spam on Goanet, and that it treats cross posts posted on it as spam. It has no control over what is posted in other forums subsequently. Please read the rules again: http://www.goanet.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=9 Shri Jim Fernandes wrote: You are free to engage in spam, but I'll do what I have to do to shut you down. Shri Fernandes, you are wasting your hot air. Your persistent abuse will invariably lead to a public embarrassment for you. There is nothing you can do to me. Cheers, Santosh --- On Tue, 7/20/10, Jim Fernandes amigo...@att.net wrote: Senhor Helekar, Some days ago, you claimed GoaNet has no rules whatesoever. When I gave you the relevant link, you claimed not seeing the relevant rule there. Are you visually challenged or brain dead? It appears that spoon feeding you with the relevant rule was not enough. Now you want me to sing a lullaby to you, huh? My
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I have no intention of getting in this debate. Yet every forum has to be registered under some-body's name. Under whose name are the various over-the-top goan forums registered? After all an individual/ someone had the courage to coin the name and register the forum on yahoo. Please have the courage to own-up to this. Finally, moderated or not, the individual who created the forums is responsible for the forum they created and the weed that they planted among some of us; whose e-mail addresses have been hijacked. Or have the courage to weed-out the weeds. I am having my-fill of tax-free entertainment. Whom should I send my contribution to? Please keep it up. Regards, GL --- Jim Fernandes amigo...@att.net By the time I got back from my vacation, it was a pleasant surprise that I am finally out of their list! OK - So I am back fresh from my short vacation and ready to skin Mr Helekar ... :) A Side Note To The Side Kick: I don't understand what this unofficial GoaNet side kick Josephine AKA Bahama Mama is getting excited about. This joker with his pea sized brain cannot compreshend the simple logic behind the use of my language on their list. I classify pricks like these, as natures freaks. * * * Read Selma Carvalho's warmly-received book *Into the Diaspora Wilderness*, a journey through Goan life in Africa, the Gulf, England and North America ... gripping and well-told real-life stories. See http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/ Buy in Goa via Broadway Book Centre, Panjim. Ph 9822488564. * * *
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Since Gilbert has now gotten into this debate, while simultaneously denying that he has no intention of doing it, I would like to ask him the following questions to be able to provide appropriate answers because of my longstanding membership of several Goan internet forums: 1. To which Goan forums is he referring? 2. Why does he call these forums over-the-top? 3. What does he mean by registration of Goan forums? 4. To whom is he referring as the weed or weed(s) planted in these forum? 5. What criteria does he use to classify another human being as a weed? I have no idea why Gilbert thinks one requires courage to answer questions regarding any Goan forum, especially ones that might prove embarrassing to the questioner, in this case, Gilbert himself. But I am hoping that he has the courage to answer mine above. Cheers, Santosh --- On Wed, 7/21/10, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote: I have no intention of getting in this debate. Yet every forum has to be registered under some-body's name. Under whose name are the various over-the-top goan forums registered? After all an individual/ someone had the courage to coin the name and register the forum on yahoo. Please have the courage to own-up to this. Finally, moderated or not, the individual who created the forums is responsible for the forum they created and the weed that they planted among some of us; whose e-mail addresses have been hijacked. Or have the courage to weed-out the weeds. I am having my-fill of tax-free entertainment. Whom should I send my contribution to? Please keep it up. Regards, GL * * * Read Selma Carvalho's warmly-received book *Into the Diaspora Wilderness*, a journey through Goan life in Africa, the Gulf, England and North America ... gripping and well-told real-life stories. See http://selmacarvalho.squarespace.com/ Buy in Goa via Broadway Book Centre, Panjim. Ph 9822488564. * * *
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Senhor Helekar, Some days ago, you claimed GoaNet has no rules whatesoever. When I gave you the relevant link, you claimed not seeing the relevant rule there. Are you visually challenged or brain dead? It appears that spoon feeding you with the relevant rule was not enough. Now you want me to sing a lullaby to you, huh? My four year old can do better than that! So here goes a relevant section the rule: Goanet treats repeated postings, commercial posts, lengthy reposts of an original email, cross posts, among other things, as spam. If you're replying to an email and quoting it, quote the minimum and delete the rest. What portion of the above rule do you not understand senhor Helekar? Cross posts means anything from GoaNet to the outside lists and vice- versa. A looser like senhor Helekar when he realizes he is loosing a debate, he forwards his target's email address to his private list as a punishment, whose at least one member engages in spam. You are free to engage in spam, but I'll do what I have to do to shut you down. Jim F New York Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2010, at 4:37 PM, Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote: Shri Fernandes, It is clear that you are not able to quote a single Goanet rule which explicitly states that I cannot post my Goanet post anywhere else, nor that I have to ask your permission to do it, as you claimed. So now you are resorting to this kabuki dance of asking me to search for key words. Any sensible person knows that for Goanet to call something a cross post it has to be posted somewhere else before. A response that is first posted on Goanet is not a cross post by definition. It may be a cross post later on in some other forum if it is posted there. That forum can then reject it as a cross post if it wants. So I will say this again one more time. I have every right to post or cc a response to your nonsense anywhere I want. There is nothing you can do about it, nor anyone else. If you abuse me in response, it is you who will be thrown out of Goanet for breaking the rules, not me. Cheers, Santosh
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OK - So I am back fresh from my short vacation and ready to skin Mr Helekar ... :) In my humble opinion, GoaNet admin is doing a fantastic job. Folks like Fred and Bosco (and possibly more people) are putting in countless hours, to ensure the network is running as smooth as possible. While hardly anybody ever thanks them for their FREE work, all one usually finds is a constant criticism of the admin team - and Mr Helekar is no exception. All they need to do now is to enforce GoaNet rules uniformly and kick out garbage from this sane network of Goans. Mr Helekar is conveniently leading us to believe that he is either very naive or that he is genuinely ignorant. To cover his misdeeds, Mr Helekar is now using warped logic to make his point. There is a saying, You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. In Mr Helekars terms, this saying would amount to If you can lead it to water and make it drink - it must be a horse!. Wow!!! Cross posting of GoaNet debates has been dis-allowed for years. I am not exactly sure of when the rules were made (Please check with Herman / GoaNet admin team), but one used to get a copy of the rules whenever he/she first subscribed to GoaNet. It is not the figment of my imagination, but a click on the below URL might help Mr Helekar to refresh his neurons with GoaNet rules: http://goanet.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=9 Mr Helekar cross posted my response to an on-going GoaNet debate to an outside entity. This is a clear violation of GoaNet rules. That entity harvested my email address to post totally unrelated messages back to me. When I politely requested the members of this entity to kindly remove me from their list, at least one person refused to take my email address out. I pleaded to remove my email ID from their list both privately and publicly - not once or twice - but several times - with no luck. Since nothing worked, I finally resorted to using what I call 'third degree French'. If I am forced to put up with their crap, then the members of this outside entity better get used to mine - its as simple as that. I never gave Mr Helekar permission to post my response on GoaNet to an outside entity to begin with. So the real question becomes: Who broke the rules first? By the time I got back from my vacation, it was a pleasant surprise that I am finally out of their list! A Side Note To The Side Kick: I don't understand what this unofficial GoaNet side kick Josephine AKA Bahama Mama is getting excited about. This joker with his pea sized brain cannot compreshend the simple logic behind the use of my language on their list. I classify pricks like these, as natures freaks. Jim F New York --- On Fri, 7/9/10, Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Cross Pollination To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 3:26 PM Shri Fernandes, These bogus rules and etiquettes of yours are a figment of your imagination. Goanet has no such rules. It is a public forum. Discussions on it can be continued in any other forum or mailing list. What a private free citizen does in this regard is his/her own business. Nobody can do anything about it. Permission is needed only to post private emails and discussions in public forums, not the other way round. For eaxmple, I need permission from you to post in a Goan public forum the filthy abusive emails you have cced to me and others personally. Please give me that permission. We will then see who broke the rules, etiquettes and laws. Regarding the electronic proof you have against me to nail me, I give you full permission to post it on Goanet. It will give people a chance to assess the credibility of your claims. Cheers, Santosh
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--- On Mon, 7/19/10, Jim Fernandes amigo...@att.net wrote: It is not the figment of my imagination, but a click on the below URL might help Mr Helekar to refresh his neurons with GoaNet rules: http://goanet.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=9 Once again, Shri Fernandes is spouting nonsense from his imagination rather than what is displayed in black and white on the above Goanet rules page. There is no Goanet rule which prevents a Goanetter from posting elsewhere or ccing to a Goanetter anything that is first posted on Goanet. There is no Goanet rule which requires that permission be asked of a Goanetter to post or cc a response to him elsewhere. Admin Noronha himself posts a lot of his Goanet material in other Goan forums such as Goa Research Net and Secular Goa forums, and his sundry blogs and websites. So do many other Goanetters. For example, here is one Noronha emission on Goanet: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-December/171509.html Here is a cross post of the same drivel on Goa Research Net: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-research-net/message/3962 So the real question becomes: Who broke the rules first? Indeed, the answer to this question is it is Shri Fernandes, not me, who broke the rules and still continues to break them. Here is the rule that he broke previously: Do not engage in personal attacks Goanet Rule Please note below that he continues to break it even now: I don't understand what this unofficial GoaNet side kick Josephine AKA Bahama Mama is getting excited about. This joker with his pea sized brain cannot compreshend the simple logic behind the use of my language on their list. I classify pricks like these, as natures freaks. Shri Jim Fernandes abusing another Goanetter The foul language above also breaks the following Goanet rule: Do not use foul, offensive or abusive language. Maintain a level of decency and respect to fellow Goanetters at all times. Goanet Rule Cheers, Santosh --- On Mon, 7/19/10, Jim Fernandes amigo...@att.net wrote: OK - So I am back fresh from my short vacation and ready to skin Mr Helekar ... :) In my humble opinion, GoaNet admin is doing a fantastic job. Folks like Fred and Bosco (and possibly more people) are putting in countless hours, to ensure the network is running as smooth as possible. While hardly anybody ever thanks them for their FREE work, all one usually finds is a constant criticism of the admin team - and Mr Helekar is no exception. All they need to do now is to enforce GoaNet rules uniformly and kick out garbage from this sane network of Goans. Mr Helekar is conveniently leading us to believe that he is either very naive or that he is genuinely ignorant. To cover his misdeeds, Mr Helekar is now using warped logic to make his point. There is a saying, You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink. In Mr Helekars terms, this saying would amount to If you can lead it to water and make it drink - it must be a horse!. Wow!!! Cross posting of GoaNet debates has been dis-allowed for years. I am not exactly sure of when the rules were made (Please check with Herman / GoaNet admin team), but one used to get a copy of the rules whenever he/she first subscribed to GoaNet. It is not the figment of my imagination, but a click on the below URL might help Mr Helekar to refresh his neurons with GoaNet rules: http://goanet.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=9 Mr Helekar cross posted my response to an on-going GoaNet debate to an outside entity. This is a clear violation of GoaNet rules. That entity harvested my email address to post totally unrelated messages back to me. When I politely requested the members of this entity to kindly remove me from their list, at least one person refused to take my email address out. I pleaded to remove my email ID from their list both privately and publicly - not once or twice - but several times - with no luck. Since nothing worked, I finally resorted to using what I call 'third degree French'. If I am forced to put up with their crap, then the members of this outside entity better get used to mine - its as simple as that. I never gave Mr Helekar permission to post my response on GoaNet to an outside entity to begin with. So the real question becomes: Who broke the rules first? By the time I got back from my vacation, it was a pleasant surprise that I am finally out of their list! A Side Note To The Side Kick: I don't understand what this unofficial GoaNet side kick Josephine AKA Bahama Mama is getting excited about. This joker with his pea sized brain cannot compreshend the simple logic behind the use of my language on their list. I classify pricks like these, as natures freaks. Jim F New York
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Senhor Helekar, This is basically my point - you are conveniently omitting pieces of GoaNet rules to suit your argument. I am not into spoon feeding, but will make exception for senhor Helekars sake: Please search for the key word cross posts in GoaNet rules and you will see what I mean by my assertion. Please check whether GoaNet dis- allows cross posts. If others are cross-posting your responses you have a right to take up your case. You have NO right to cross-post mine. In the same vein when I see someone or some entity mis-using my email ID to publicly claim that I am in their mailing list, I reserve the right to use any language I want - to pay back - specially if they refuse to remove my ID from their list. Had you not cross-posted my GoaNet email to your private list, you and your Old Boy Network, you would have saved yourself a lot of grief. Bahama Mama got my rebuke because he asked for it :) Better get used to my language if you decide to break GoaNet rules to post my GoaNet messages to other lists. I am going haunt you even in your dreams :) You have no argument to challenge my response post-facto. You broke the rule first - therefore whatever follows is a consequence of your initiative. If you think I broke GoaNet rule, it is because you broke it first. I am only defending myself. Does that make sense? Jim F New York Sent from my iPhone On Jul 19, 2010, at 1:06 PM, Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Mon, 7/19/10, Jim Fernandes amigo...@att.net wrote: It is not the figment of my imagination, but a click on the below URL might help Mr Helekar to refresh his neurons with GoaNet rules: http://goanet.org/modules.php?op=modloadname=Newsfile=articlesid=9 Once again, Shri Fernandes is spouting nonsense from his imagination rather than what is displayed in black and white on the above Goanet rules page. There is no Goanet rule which prevents a Goanetter from posting elsewhere or ccing to a Goanetter anything that is first posted on Goanet. There is no Goanet rule which requires that permission be asked of a Goanetter to post or cc a response to him elsewhere. Admin Noronha himself posts a lot of his Goanet material in other Goan forums such as Goa Research Net and Secular Goa forums, and his sundry blogs and websites. So do many other Goanetters. For example, here is one Noronha emission on Goanet: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-December/171509.html Here is a cross post of the same drivel on Goa Research Net: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goa-research-net/message/3962 So the real question becomes: Who broke the rules first? Indeed, the answer to this question is it is Shri Fernandes, not me, who broke the rules and still continues to break them. Here is the rule that he broke previously: Do not engage in personal attacks Goanet Rule Please note below that he continues to break it even now: ... ... Maintain a level of decency and respect to fellow Goanetters at all times. Goanet Rule Cheers, Santosh
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Shri Fernandes, It is clear that you are not able to quote a single Goanet rule which explicitly states that I cannot post my Goanet post anywhere else, nor that I have to ask your permission to do it, as you claimed. So now you are resorting to this kabuki dance of asking me to search for key words. Any sensible person knows that for Goanet to call something a cross post it has to be posted somewhere else before. A response that is first posted on Goanet is not a cross post by definition. It may be a cross post later on in some other forum if it is posted there. That forum can then reject it as a cross post if it wants. So I will say this again one more time. I have every right to post or cc a response to your nonsense anywhere I want. There is nothing you can do about it, nor anyone else. If you abuse me in response, it is you who will be thrown out of Goanet for breaking the rules, not me. Cheers, Santosh --- On Mon, 7/19/10, Jim Fernandes amigo...@att.net wrote: Senhor Helekar, This is basically my point - you are conveniently omitting pieces of GoaNet rules to suit your argument. I am not into spoon feeding, but will make exception for senhor Helekars sake: Please search for the key word cross posts in GoaNet rules and you will see what I mean by my assertion. Please check whether GoaNet dis-allows cross posts. If others are cross-posting your responses you have a right to take up your case. You have NO right to cross-post mine. In the same vein when I see someone or some entity mis-using my email ID to publicly claim that I am in their mailing list, I reserve the right to use any language I want - to pay back - specially if they refuse to remove my ID from their list. Had you not cross-posted my GoaNet email to your private list, you and your Old Boy Network, you would have saved yourself a lot of grief. Bahama Mama got my rebuke because he asked for it :) Better get used to my language if you decide to break GoaNet rules to post my GoaNet messages to other lists. I am going haunt you even in your dreams :) You have no argument to challenge my response post-facto. You broke the rule first - therefore whatever follows is a consequence of your initiative. If you think I broke GoaNet rule, it is because you broke it first. I am only defending myself. Does that make sense? Jim F New York
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Lobo, I'm in the midst of the Canadian Open at the Westin Harbour Castle, having just finished the Ontario Open: http://www.canadianchess.info/articles/2010OntarioOpen.html I get in circa 3 am, and the last thing I want to read is more of your sozzled fabrications and fairy tales. Here's some free advice - If you are so fascinated by my life and times that you cannot let a single post of mine go unanswered without your knee-jerk contrary interjectionsget over it! I don't welcome your grubby attentions, and if you do continue shamelessly following me around, the general populace is going to label you shempdi, which, given your utter ignorance of Konkani, you'll have to get some poor soul to translate for you. Given their deteriorating and rambling quality, and their 'happy hour' timings, your posts have already achieved the widespread notoriety of shempdi tight. Again, some friendly translation needed! Despite your best attempts (and total ignorance of the subject and Konkani) to malign my best-selling SongBook Greatest Konkani Song Hits, it is already in its third printing in under a year. You don't have to take my word for it - get one of your bosom buddies in Goa itself to check out sales at the two main music outlets, Furtados and Pedro Fernandes - where stocks are often replenished on a weekly basis. In San Francisco recently, as George Pinto will vouch for, copies on sale briefly were snapped up in two min. flat! Seems folks know something you don't. They also know that the inclusion of original transcriptions of international hits that have hit a chord in the Konkani diaspora like Malaika (Swahili), Encosta Tua Cabecinha (Portuguese), Maria Pitache (Damanese), amongst heaps of others, have made the book a collectors' item amongst many communities, not just Goan or Mangalorean. And for you to display an abysmal lack of brain cells to not comprehend why Malaika is included in a SongBook of the Konkani diaspora, is an embarrassment not only to yourself but your family too. If and when you are ever able to produce a body of writing that even resembles a book, we will congratulate you. But until such time, take my advice - grow up, and get out more. Francis. http://www.konkanisongbook.com/ .. On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 Mervyn Lobo wrote Subject: Re: [Goanet] Cross Pollination? Francis, You were part of the same group that was spamming me too. I had to warn you?several times and then send a notice to your email provider before you stoped. Mervyn? _ MSN Dating: Find someone special. Start now. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9734384
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Francis Rodrigues fcarodrig...@hotmail.com wrote: Francis, Check the heading above. Here is what I had to say on the topic: You were part of the same group that was spamming me too. I had to warn you several times and then send a notice to your email provider before you stoped. Your reply to this fact was a long, babbling, and incoherent email that touched on every subject except the one being discussed. Paul D. Octopus BTW, you have found me in a most excellent mood and in high er, spirits. One of my exploration companies announced over the weekend that they found enormous amounts of gold in Tanzania. The stock price of CAN has since exploded. It is time for another vacation Francis Rodrigues fcarodrig...@hotmail.com wrote: Lobo, I'm in the midst of the Canadian Open at the Westin Harbour Castle, having just finished the Ontario Open: http://www.canadianchess.info/articles/2010OntarioOpen.html I get in circa 3 am, and the last thing I want to read is more of your sozzled fabrications and fairy tales. Here's some free advice - If you are so fascinated by my life and times that you cannot let a single post of mine go unanswered without your knee-jerk contrary interjectionsget over it! I don't welcome your grubby attentions, and if you do continue shamelessly following me around, the general populace is going to label you shempdi, which, given your utter ignorance of Konkani, you'll have to get some poor soul to translate for you. Given their deteriorating and rambling quality, and their 'happy hour' timings, your posts have already achieved the widespread notoriety of shempdi tight. Again, some friendly translation needed! Despite your best attempts (and total ignorance of the subject and Konkani) to malign my best-selling SongBook Greatest Konkani Song Hits, it is already in its third printing in under a year. You don't have to take my word for it - get one of your bosom buddies in Goa itself to check out sales at the two main music outlets, Furtados and Pedro Fernandes - where stocks are often replenished on a weekly basis. In San Francisco recently, as George Pinto will vouch for, copies on sale briefly were snapped up in two min. flat! Seems folks know something you don't. They also know that the inclusion of original transcriptions of international hits that have hit a chord in the Konkani diaspora like Malaika (Swahili), Encosta Tua Cabecinha (Portuguese), Maria Pitache (Damanese), amongst heaps of others, have made the book a collectors' item amongst many communities, not just Goan or Mangalorean. And for you to display an abysmal lack of brain cells to not comprehend why Malaika is included in a SongBook of the Konkani diaspora, is an embarrassment not only to yourself but your family too. If and when you are ever able to produce a body of writing that even resembles a book, we will congratulate you. But until such time, take my advice - grow up, and get out more. Francis. http://www.konkanisongbook.com/ .. On Sun, 11 Jul 2010 Mervyn Lobo wrote Subject: Re: [Goanet] Cross Pollination? Francis, You were part of the same group that was spamming me too. I had to warn you?several times and then send a notice to your email provider before you stoped. Mervyn? _ MSN Dating: Find someone special. Start now. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9734384
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--- On Sun, 7/11/10, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote: It is so easy to bad-mouth others. Goans make a virtue to those crab-like traits with convoluted arguments and sophistry. Why is Gilbert badmounthing and abusing other Goans and other Goan forums on Goanet. Is he afflicted with the crab mentality? Is he jealous of his fellow Goans, and want to pull them down by any means he can? Cheers, Santosh --- On Sun, 7/11/10, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote: The sad part, the main proponents of this over-the-top Goan site are individuals who are hyper-critical of Goanet moderators. So they went ahead and formed their own site - Amchea Goencarachio Dhirio ani thea bhair GX. They (and we) soon discovered that the only way they maintained their circulation is to create an unsolicited list of e-mails. And then force individuals to continue to be on them; despite repeated private and public requests to remove our names from these lists. So much for netiquette and logic; generated after graduate and post-graduate college degrees. Saiba bogos! As many of the leaders of this alternative site are my colleagues, it saddens me that their stature and credibility has been eroded by their own doing. Yet, they have themselves to blame for the abysmal showing. As pointed-out, on occasion, one can love their explanations and their misinformation. But taken en-mass, after one-day's posts, the postings were a tragedy and an embarrassment, that all except the posters could see. I only hope they feel the least bit of guilt or responsibility. And appreciate the efforts and success of existing Goan net sites. This should teach them to APPRECIATE THE WORK OF MODERATORS OF THESE SITES and thank them for the yeomen work. It is so easy to bad-mouth others. Goans make a virtue to those crab-like traits with convoluted arguments and sophistry. Regards, GL
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Bosco wrote: Rico, Eddie, Jim, etc are only expressing themselves too simply. Does Goanet consider personal attacks against fellow Goans by individuals such as Francis, Gilbert, etc. expressing themselves too simply? Cheers, Santosh
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-Original Message- From: Santosh Helekar Bosco wrote: Rico, Eddie, Jim, etc are only expressing themselves too simply. Does Goanet consider personal attacks against fellow Goans by individuals such as Francis, Gilbert, etc. expressing themselves too simply? RESPONSE: Goanet = Owners, Administrators, Moderators, Subscribersand also online followers, well-wishers. Ami Sogle Ek!! I hope some of these individuals respond to this query. Additionally, in the last 48 hours, do we ONLY recognize personal attacks against fellow Goans from individuals such as Francis, Gilbert ?? - B
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-Original Message- From: Santosh Helekar The Wikipedia definitions of email harvesting and email spam below make it crystal clear...blah...blah...blah.. RESPONSE: Thanks for the humour..but dont take these complaints too seriously. Rico, Eddie, Jim, etc are only expressing themselves too simply.whenever I am cc'ed the odd message, thanks to a sincere Goenkar, I do enjoy the humourespecially two senior citizens happily abusing each other!! What phun yaaar!!! Ekdom majaa!!! - B
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Santosh, You admit that my name does flash on your groups..why shud even part of the email id with my name be exposed on your groups if I am not a member of that group or not even related to that discussion? If anyone wants to send a message to any of the half exposed ids one has to sign in the yahoo account. I am also exposed to the others in the long list that you have created which is CCed to many including the groups. . Now you have gone and posted a message on your group with my and Freds name as subject line, that we are spreading falsehoods...is it not true that my Name is appearing in the messages in your group without me being a member there? Why are you discussing behind my backs? Pls tell goanetters what falsehoods I have spread here? I am subscribed to goanet and I have no problem with goanet flashing my ID, but am not the member of goemchim xapotam or diryeo so my name shud not appear on that group and even pvt. list that you have created. Edward Verdes - Original Message - From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com --- On Sat, 7/10/10, Edward Verdes eddiever...@hotmail.com wrote: I had asked to be off this list but still I am there..my email ID is being flashed on goemchim xapotom and also another recently formed group...though am no longer subscribed to these groups. Like Admin Noronha, Eddie is telling you a falsehood here regarding Goenchim Xapotam and another Goan Yahoo group. Unlike Goanet, Yahoo groups do not allow complete email addresses to be flashed to the public on the internet. Instead, you see something like this: Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@... wrote: Please see the following GX post for example: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoenchimXapotam/message/28791 On the other hand, Goanet flashes Eddie's email address every time he posts on it. It is displayed as follows: eddieverdes at hotmail.com Please see this link on the Goanet archives: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2010-July/195788.html Cheers, Santosh
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Dear Dr. Colaco, Pls tell me why should even my name and half email address (which appears in the CC msgs and can be replied to) appear on Goemchimxaptom, when I am not a member of that group and when am not even connected with the discussions? Edward Verdes - Original Message - From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com Dear Eddie Verdes, re: your 'email ID is being flashed on goemchim xapotom' Could you please direct us to an URL which will confirm the above quoted statement from you? jc
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Francis (FCA) Rodriguez wrote: Only a threat to inform his employer stopped the dysfunctional Helekar from spamming me too. He does not believe in a Do Not Spam policy. Helekar is not a don't - just a can't! Please note that FCA Rodriguez has found this an opportunity to abuse me because of his personal issues. What he is saying above is false. Nobody is afraid of FCA Rodriguez's threats. I for one simply complied with his request to be removed from GX and the cc list, as I have done for others. Waylusha still receives all the emails on the cc list. Isabel Joannes has done so as well. All fake IDs on Goanet who abuse others because of personal issues are placed on the cc list by default. Since FCA shares his computer with Isabel and Waylusha, he still receives all the posts on the cc list. If he does not want Waylusha and Isabel to receive emails on the list, then I would ask them to send us a polite request. Cheers, Santosh
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Edward Verdes eddiever...@hotmail.com wrote: Pls tell goanetters what falsehoods I have spread here? Eddie, The falsehoods you have spread and are spreading now are the following: 1. That your email ID is flashed on GX and AGD. 2. That someone can get your email ID by simply signing onto a Yahoo account. 3. That we are discussing you and Admin Noronha behind your backs. (Both you and Noronha were personally cced any post mentioning your names, in addition to them being posted on Goanet and/or GX. Admin Noronha is permanent member of GX, as well as the cc list). 4. That your name is appearing in all the messages posted on GX. 5. That I am responsible for creating a long cc list. Cheers, Santosh --- On Sun, 7/11/10, Edward Verdes eddiever...@hotmail.com wrote: Santosh, You admit that my name does flash on your groups..why shud even part of the email id with my name be exposed on your groups if I am not a member of that group or not even related to that discussion? If anyone wants to send a message to any of the half exposed ids one has to sign in the yahoo account. I am also exposed to the others in the long list that you have created which is CCed to many including the groups. . Now you have gone and posted a message on your group with my and Freds name as subject line, that we are spreading falsehoods...is it not true that my Name is appearing in the messages in your group without me being a member there? Why are you discussing behind my backs? Pls tell goanetters what falsehoods I have spread here? I am subscribed to goanet and I have no problem with goanet flashing my ID, but am not the member of goemchim xapotam or diryeo so my name shud not appear on that group and even pvt. list that you have created. Edward Verdes
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Santosh, You have still not answered my question why even part of my email address which can be replied by the group members is appearing in GX and AGD of which I am not a member? Your point no 1 n 2..Here is a msg i just checked on GX. I am not a memeber but still i can access it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoenchimXapotam/message/28747 on opening the msg one can see the email ids that are in the mail just hit on any email id links and it will ask u to sign in your yahoo address where you can write a mail Your point no 3. When I had posted on goanet with the abv subject line, was it not sufficient that you discuss it here instead of posting on GX and changing the subject line as Eddie and Noronha spreading falsehoods on Goanet http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoenchimXapotam/message/28797 Is this not discussing me behind my back? knowing that I am not a member of GX? Why is it necessary to send a pvt cc when you are posting it goanet? .And finally pls tell us who created the pvt list initially? Edward Verdes - Original Message From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com Pls tell goanetters what falsehoods I have spread here? Eddie, The falsehoods you have spread and are spreading now are the following: 1. That your email ID is flashed on GX and AGD. 2. That someone can get your email ID by simply signing onto a Yahoo account. 3. That we are discussing you and Admin Noronha behind your backs. (Both you and Noronha were personally cced any post mentioning your names, in addition to them being posted on Goanet and/or GX. Admin Noronha is permanent member of GX, as well as the cc list). 4. That your name is appearing in all the messages posted on GX. 5. That I am responsible for creating a long cc list. Cheers, Santosh --- On Sun, 7/11/10, Edward Verdes eddiever...@hotmail.com wrote: Santosh, You admit that my name does flash on your groups..why shud even part of the email id with my name be exposed on your groups if I am not a member of that group or not even related to that discussion? If anyone wants to send a message to any of the half exposed ids one has to sign in the yahoo account. I am also exposed to the others in the long list that you have created which is CCed to many including the groups. . Now you have gone and posted a message on your group with my and Freds name as subject line, that we are spreading falsehoods...is it not true that my Name is appearing in the messages in your group without me being a member there? Why are you discussing behind my backs? Pls tell goanetters what falsehoods I have spread here? I am subscribed to goanet and I have no problem with goanet flashing my ID, but am not the member of goemchim xapotam or diryeo so my name shud not appear on that group and even pvt. list that you have created. Edward Verdes
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On 11 July 2010 04:02, Edward Verdes eddiever...@hotmail.com wrote: Dear Dr. Colaco, Pls tell me why should even my name and half email address (which appears in the CC msgs and can be replied to) appear on Goemchimxaptom, when I am not a member of that group and when am not even connected with the discussions? REPEAT RESPONSE: Dear Eddie Verdes, Once again, I ask .Could you please direct me (us) to an URL which will confirm the above quoted statement from you? I ask this question so that I can verify and determine what I am responding about. I am not very good at providing comments in a vacuum or in vacuous responses. jc
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Eddie, Here are answers to your questions. --- On Sun, 7/11/10, Edward Verdes eddiever...@hotmail.com wrote: You have still not answered my question why even part of my email address which can be replied by the group members is appearing in GX and AGD of which I am not a member? The reason your name (not your email address) appeared on GX in that message is because someone posted that message containing your name to that forum. Neither I nor Yahoo groups can prevent a free private citizen from mentioning your name in a message to any forum, including Goanet, or ccing a message to you. Your point no 1 n 2..Here is a msg i just checked on GX. I am not a memeber but still i can access it. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoenchimXapotam/message/28747 on opening the msg one can see the email ids that are in the mail just hit on any email id links and it will ask u to sign in your yahoo address where you can write a mail Again you are spreading falsehoods. You have access to GX on the web because GX archives are public, just like Goanet. Nobody can see the email IDs that are in the mail. If you hit on the email id links, you are asked to sign in on that group website. You cannot sign in on that website if you are not a member of that Yahoo group. Even if you are a member, you still cannot see any of the email IDs of the members, unless you also receive emails from that group. Your point no 3. When I had posted on goanet with the abv subject line, was it not sufficient that you discuss it here instead of posting on GX and changing the subject line as Eddie and Noronha spreading falsehoods on Goanet http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoenchimXapotam/message/28797 No, because GXers have a right to know when someone is badmouthing their forum in another Goan forum. Is this not discussing me behind my back? knowing that I am not a member of GX? No, because you received a cc of that post, and because GX archives are public. Why is it necessary to send a pvt cc when you are posting it goanet? Because Goanet being a heavily moderated list there is chance that the cced post might not appear on it, or appear on it only after a delay of several days. And finally pls tell us who created the pvt list initially? I don't know. But certainly not me. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] Cross Pollination
- Frederick Noronha wrote I suspect that (like me) you secretly are dying to read who's posting what on this list. It is so much entertainment. That too without tax! -- GL responds The sad part, the main proponents of this over-the-top Goan site are individuals who are hyper-critical of Goanet moderators. So they went ahead and formed their own site - Amchea Goencarachio Dhirio ani thea bhair GX. They (and we) soon discovered that the only way they maintained their circulation is to create an unsolicited list of e-mails. And then force individuals to continue to be on them; despite repeated private and public requests to remove our names from these lists. So much for netiquette and logic; generated after graduate and post-graduate college degrees. Saiba bogos! As many of the leaders of this alternative site are my colleagues, it saddens me that their stature and credibility has been eroded by their own doing. Yet, they have themselves to blame for the abysmal showing. As pointed-out, on occasion, one can love their explanations and their misinformation. But taken en-mass, after one-day's posts, the postings were a tragedy and an embarrassment, that all except the posters could see. I only hope they feel the least bit of guilt or responsibility. And appreciate the efforts and success of existing Goan net sites. This should teach them to APPRECIATE THE WORK OF MODERATORS OF THESE SITES and thank them for the yeomen work. It is so easy to bad-mouth others. Goans make a virtue to those crab-like traits with convoluted arguments and sophistry. Regards, GL
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Instead of sticking to existing Goanet rules, and abiding by them himself, in the first place, while strictly observing the duties of an administrator entrusted with the responsibility of running a mailing list, Admin Noronha is manufacturing bogus controversies. He is corrupting the meaning of the words harvesting and spamming to smear people, one of whom is not even a member of Goanet. A response to a message or an article posted on a public mailing list cced to its author and to another mailing list to guard against its being blocked or delayed for several days, does not constitute spamming or harvesting of email addresses. There are many Goanetters who like to debate issues privately and on other mailing lists to avoid being subjected to the making up of arbitrary rules based on erratic personal biases and fabricated definitions of common words, as above. Speaking for myself, when I participate in these debates or cc my Goanet response to the author of an original public post, I always comply with the latter's wishes, if he or she asks me not to cc subsequent responses to him or her, any more. Cheers, Santosh --- On Fri, 7/9/10, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote: I think the point is not about quoting from a public archive, but rather *harvesting* email IDs from a public mailing list and then *spamming* people out of their mind... Even when there are repeated requests from them to be taken off the cc list they didn't ask to be on, in the first place. As for me, I find this sometimes rather entertaining and keeps one in humour on a slow day in Goa. (Someone seems to be so keen to ensure I read them via this list, that they placed my address on readnotify.com -- so everytime I read the incessant circle of abuses, a notification goes out :-) And you thought eyeballs came cheap?) In addition, such an endeavour keeps other grumpy old men like me busy, so that lessens the kind of damage that can be done had they to run loose and amuck on more widely-read fora. Only problem is: when someone wants to get off this 'spammers list' and he's dragged back kicking and squealing everytime. I think this is as unfair as laughing at the pig we're going to slice up for the feast, as he keeps protesting! FN On 10 July 2010 00:56, Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote: Shri Fernandes, These bogus rules and etiquettes of yours are a figment of your imagination. Goanet has no such rules. It is a public forum. Discussions on it can be continued in any other forum or mailing list. What a private free citizen does in this regard is his/her own business. Nobody can do anything about it. Permission is needed only to post private emails and discussions in public forums, not the other way round. For eaxmple, I need permission from you to post in a Goan public forum the filthy abusive emails you have cced to me and others personally. Please give me that permission. We will then see who broke the rules, etiquettes and laws. Regarding the electronic proof you have against me to nail me, I give you full permission to post it on Goanet. It will give people a chance to assess the credibility of your claims.
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On 10 July 2010 12:30, Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote: Noronha is manufacturing bogus controversies. He is corrupting the meaning of the words harvesting and spamming to smear people E-mail harvesting is the process of obtaining lists of e-mail addresses using various methods for use in bulk e-mail or other purposes usually grouped as spam... Another common method is the use of special software known as harvesting bots or harvesters, which spider Web pages, postings on Usenet, mailing list archives, internet forums and other online sources to obtain e-mail addresses from public data. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mail_address_harvesting E-mail spam, also known as junk e-mail, is a subset of spam that involves nearly identical messages sent to numerous recipients by e-mail. A common synonym for spam is unsolicited bulk e-mail (UBE). Definitions of spam usually include the aspects that email is unsolicited and sent in bulk. UCE refers specifically to unsolicited commercial e-mail. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mail_spam Everyone who has been a unwilling victim of the spammers list knows that this is exactly what happened (though no software was used to harvest address, it was done manually). I do not think it is very edifying to see grown men pour scorn and heap abuse on each other's head, by the bucketful, and believe that it is debate. What is even more tragic is that some of the gentlemen on this list are highly qualified experts in their own respective fields. Have we Goans lost the gene for rational discussion? FN
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On 10 July 2010 09:36, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think it is very edifying to see grown men pour scorn and heap abuse on each other's head, by the bucketful, and believe that it is debate. What is even more tragic is that some of the gentlemen on this list are highly qualified experts in their own respective fields. Have we Goans lost the gene for rational discussion? FN COMMENT: Please, kindly correct me if I am wrong; I think that since the departure of one, Goanet has become a much better forum. Time was when the only thing discussed here was the Iraq war and the validity of finding w.m.d.'s; this was on a daily basis, with a lot of invective thrown in for good measure - as if to make a point. one such example wasanyone with half a brainThank God that we do now have more than half a brain! -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
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FN, I too am on this list for the reason that I had replied to a post on goanet a year back. I had asked to be off this list but still I am there..my email ID is being flashed on goemchim xapotom and also another recently formed group...though am no longer subscribed to these groups. When I was on holidays my mailbox was clogged with junk from this group, specially by some guys who seem to have no work at all. I have blocked most of them, but I still get mails as new ids are being added. Edward Verdes - Original Message - From: Frederick Noronha Only problem is: when someone wants to get off this 'spammers list' and he's dragged back kicking and squealing everytime. I think this is as unfair as laughing at the pig we're going to slice up for the feast, as he keeps protesting! FN
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--- On Sat, 7/10/10, Edward Verdes eddiever...@hotmail.com wrote: I had asked to be off this list but still I am there..my email ID is being flashed on goemchim xapotom and also another recently formed group...though am no longer subscribed to these groups. Like Admin Noronha, Eddie is telling you a falsehood here regarding Goenchim Xapotam and another Goan Yahoo group. Unlike Goanet, Yahoo groups do not allow complete email addresses to be flashed to the public on the internet. Instead, you see something like this: Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@... wrote: Please see the following GX post for example: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GoenchimXapotam/message/28791 On the other hand, Goanet flashes Eddie's email address every time he posts on it. It is displayed as follows: eddieverdes at hotmail.com Please see this link on the Goanet archives: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2010-July/195788.html Cheers, Santosh
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Dear Eddie Verdes, re: your 'email ID is being flashed on goemchim xapotom' Could you please direct us to an URL which will confirm the above quoted statement from you? jc == Edward Verdes eddiever...@hotmail.com wrote: I had asked to be off this list but still I am there..my email ID is being flashed on goemchim xapotom and also another recently formed group...though am no longer subscribed to these groups.
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On 11 July 2010 03:17, Gilbert Lawrence gilbert2...@yahoo.com wrote: So in honesty, our prayers should go for these 6-9 bloviators. Hope they receive their karmic rewards they have earned as quickly as possible. But very likely they will only get those karmic rewards when they get our names off their spam list. Dear GL, I suspect that (like me) you secretly are dying to read who's posting what on this list. It is so much entertainment. That too without tax! [Remember the times when we paid entertainment tax even to watch a two-rupee movie? Now, thanks to the Inox scam (started by one political hero and continued by another), we pay for overpriced tickets, but no tax.] To be honest, I think such networks are a Buddhist-Yogic-Judaic-Christian-Islamic-Hindu-militaristic conspiracy to spread the virtues of equanimity [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equanimity] As long as you don't get worked up, or disappointed in this race called Goans, I don't think even your physician would be overburdened. My nightmare scenario is that someone actually takes me off one of these lists! Where would I get my day's entertainment from? While nobody seems to how to get off the lists, I'm willing to bet that nobody knows either of how one can get ON these lists! As of now, it is a priviledge of only a select few. Either you are born into it, or... For those who are curious, check out: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/goenchimxapotam/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AmcheaGoencaranchioDhirio/ For some reason, the Dhirio archives are not open to non-subscribers. Is that because of the law on dhirio in Goa? Or are the bulls misbehaving there too? FN
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The Wikipedia definitions of email harvesting and email spam below make it crystal clear how Admin Noronha is distorting these meanings to badmouth those who like being subscribed to alternative Goan mailing lists, such as Goenchim Xapotam, or be on a cc list consisting of Goans who have quit Goanet, rightly or wrongly, in their opinion, out of personal distaste for its lack of transparency and excessive ideological control. So let me set the record straight to readers who have been misled by the smokescreen created by Noronha and others, in this thread. Some Goans, including me, like to post our writings on other Goan mailing lists such as Goenchim Xapotam (GX) and a cc list consisting of non-Goanetters such as Miguel Braganza, Cornel Da Costa, Anand Virgincar, Mario Goveia, Kevin Saldanha, etc. We like these lists because, unlike Goanet, they are completely transparent and unmoderated. Everybody is equal on these lists. On these lists an administrator like Admin Noronha cannot exercise control over what others say. No wonder he does not like them. One of the principles some of us like to abide by is when we respond to a Goanet post either on Goanet or in the latter forums, we want to make sure we cc our responses to the authors of the posts to which we are responding. This courtesy ensures that these authors remain aware of any subsequent discussions that might ensue. We do not want these authors to be abused, smeared or badmouthed behind their back, without being afforded a chance to defend themselves. Now this can lead to the following three inadvertent problems: 1. The author might not appreciate a response to his post, and the follow-up arguments being cced to him. 2. Other members of these lists might use the reply all option to post unrelated messages to these unmoderated lists, which might lead to unwanted emails in the cced author's inbox. Speaking for myself, whenever an author has requested me to remove his/her name from these lists in such cases, I have promptly complied with their request. 3. One of the members of these lists might decide to cc his responses to some of his friends, in which case the latter would receive all subsequent responses when the reply all option is used by everybody. This happens all the time even with regard to official email correspondence in large institutions. For example, Admin Noronha added Miguel Braganza to the cc list of non-Goanetters, and Miguel in turn added some of his friends to that list recently - personalities that were completely unknown to most of us. Any person who would then tell others in a public forum that Admin Noronha harvested Miguel's email address, and Miguel did so to those of his friends to spam them would not be telling the truth. Indeed, the above description should reveal to any reasonable person that none of this amounts to harvesting of emails or spamming, as claimed by Admin Noronha. Cheers, Santosh --- On Sat, 7/10/10, Frederick Noronha fredericknoro...@gmail.com wrote: E-mail harvesting is the process of obtaining lists of e-mail addresses using various methods for use in bulk e-mail or other purposes usually grouped as spam... Another common method is the use of special software known as harvesting bots or harvesters, which spider Web pages, postings on Usenet, mailing list archives, internet forums and other online sources to obtain e-mail addresses from public data. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mail_address_harvesting E-mail spam, also known as junk e-mail, is a subset of spam that involves nearly identical messages sent to numerous recipients by e-mail. A common synonym for spam is unsolicited bulk e-mail (UBE). Definitions of spam usually include the aspects that email is unsolicited and sent in bulk. UCE refers specifically to unsolicited commercial e-mail. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E-mail_spam Everyone who has been a unwilling victim of the spammers list knows that this is exactly what happened (though no software was used to harvest address, it was done manually). I do not think it is very edifying to see grown men pour scorn and heap abuse on each other's head, by the bucketful, and believe that it is debate. What is even more tragic is that some of the gentlemen on this list are highly qualified experts in their own respective fields. Have we Goans lost the gene for rational discussion? FN
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The following personal attack against me because of a private matter was posted in this forum by Jim Fernandes without my permission in clear violation of laws governing such public forums. I would request Goanet moderators not to allow on public forums such personal attacks originating from private exchanges. As for ccing public responses to publicly displayed posts to authors of these posts or to other mailing lists, there is no breach of any kind. Nobody can prevent any free citizen of the world from ccing anything in the public domain to anybody, and eliciting comment or discussion. No permission is required from Jim Fernandes or anybody else. Cross pollination in the public domain is a good thing. On the other hand, attacking people publicly because of private issues, or hurling publicly or on cc lists the filthiest obscenities at them is unlawful, subject to legal and criminal action. Cheers, Santosh --- On Fri, 7/9/10, Jim Fernandes amigo...@att.net wrote: The reason I am writing about this on GoaNet is because, a fellow GoaNetter named Santosh Helekar included me in this non-GoaNet related group, when I responded to a thread on GoaNet. He had no business of cross-pollinating debates and then include my email ID, in such external groups, without my permission. If it was a matter of sending one-on-one emails, its altogether a different story. GoaNet admin should take note of this breach. If a member is found to cross pollinate GoaNet debates in the future, he/she should be dropped from GoaNet membership. I have been on GoaNet since 1996. This is a great place to meet other Goans and over the years, I must add, that I have made several friends on GoaNet. My only request is, if you wish to debate me, come on GoaNet - don't drag me elsewhere. Thanks, Jim F New York.
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Mr Helekar, You are the one who started this non-sense by taking a GoaNet debate to an outside entity. Therefore, you are the one who initiated this break in etiquette. I have posted this topic on GoaNet because the debate started on GoaNet - you took it private to some group you obviously feel comfortable with. This is in clear violation of net etiquette and GoaNet rules. I dare you to take me to any court of law - I have all the electronic proof with me to nail you. I am heading to a nice vacation with my family, so I won't be able to respond to any more emails till my return. Jim F New York --- On Fri, 7/9/10, Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Cross Pollination To: estb. 1994!Goa's premiere mailing list goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Friday, July 9, 2010, 12:49 PM The following personal attack against me because of a private matter was posted in this forum by Jim Fernandes without my permission in clear violation of laws governing such public forums. I would request Goanet moderators not to allow on public forums such personal attacks originating from private exchanges. As for ccing public responses to publicly displayed posts to authors of these posts or to other mailing lists, there is no breach of any kind. Nobody can prevent any free citizen of the world from ccing anything in the public domain to anybody, and eliciting comment or discussion. No permission is required from Jim Fernandes or anybody else. Cross pollination in the public domain is a good thing. On the other hand, attacking people publicly because of private issues, or hurling publicly or on cc lists the filthiest obscenities at them is unlawful, subject to legal and criminal action. Cheers, Santosh --- On Fri, 7/9/10, Jim Fernandes amigo...@att.net wrote: The reason I am writing about this on GoaNet is because, a fellow GoaNetter named Santosh Helekar included me in this non-GoaNet related group, when I responded to a thread on GoaNet. He had no business of cross-pollinating debates and then include my email ID, in such external groups, without my permission. If it was a matter of sending one-on-one emails, its altogether a different story. GoaNet admin should take note of this breach. If a member is found to cross pollinate GoaNet debates in the future, he/she should be dropped from GoaNet membership. I have been on GoaNet since 1996. This is a great place to meet other Goans and over the years, I must add, that I have made several friends on GoaNet. My only request is, if you wish to debate me, come on GoaNet - don't drag me elsewhere. Thanks, Jim F New York.
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Shri Fernandes, These bogus rules and etiquettes of yours are a figment of your imagination. Goanet has no such rules. It is a public forum. Discussions on it can be continued in any other forum or mailing list. What a private free citizen does in this regard is his/her own business. Nobody can do anything about it. Permission is needed only to post private emails and discussions in public forums, not the other way round. For eaxmple, I need permission from you to post in a Goan public forum the filthy abusive emails you have cced to me and others personally. Please give me that permission. We will then see who broke the rules, etiquettes and laws. Regarding the electronic proof you have against me to nail me, I give you full permission to post it on Goanet. It will give people a chance to assess the credibility of your claims. Cheers, Santosh --- On Fri, 7/9/10, Jim Fernandes amigo...@att.net wrote: Mr Helekar, You are the one who started this non-sense by taking a GoaNet debate to an outside entity. Therefore, you are the one who initiated this break in etiquette. I have posted this topic on GoaNet because the debate started on GoaNet - you took it private to some group you obviously feel comfortable with. This is in clear violation of net etiquette and GoaNet rules. I dare you to take me to any court of law - I have all the electronic proof with me to nail you. I am heading to a nice vacation with my family, so I won't be able to respond to any more emails till my return. Jim F New York
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Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote: On the other hand, attacking people publicly because of private issues, or hurling publicly or on cc lists the filthiest obscenities at them is unlawful, subject to legal and criminal action. == My dear Santoshbab, While I understand the courtesy you extended by ccing the person in reference, I would suggest that, in future, you please refrain from inviting the users of filthy language to the table. I was most shocked to learn that Goans could use such vile language in their communications. But then, sometimes I suppose, the low-class really shows. I would also request you to refrain from taking any legal action against such individuals. Win or lose, individuals of your calibre should consider not bothering with riff-raff. Those who live in the gutter should be able to enjoy their filthy language, undisturbed.. sincerely jc
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I think the point is not about quoting from a public archive, but rather *harvesting* email IDs from a public mailing list and then *spamming* people out of their mind... Even when there are repeated requests from them to be taken off the cc list they didn't ask to be on, in the first place. As for me, I find this sometimes rather entertaining and keeps one in humour on a slow day in Goa. (Someone seems to be so keen to ensure I read them via this list, that they placed my address on readnotify.com -- so everytime I read the incessant circle of abuses, a notification goes out :-) And you thought eyeballs came cheap?) In addition, such an endeavour keeps other grumpy old men like me busy, so that lessens the kind of damage that can be done had they to run loose and amuck on more widely-read fora. Only problem is: when someone wants to get off this 'spammers list' and he's dragged back kicking and squealing everytime. I think this is as unfair as laughing at the pig we're going to slice up for the feast, as he keeps protesting! FN On 10 July 2010 00:56, Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote: Shri Fernandes, These bogus rules and etiquettes of yours are a figment of your imagination. Goanet has no such rules. It is a public forum. Discussions on it can be continued in any other forum or mailing list. What a private free citizen does in this regard is his/her own business. Nobody can do anything about it. Permission is needed only to post private emails and discussions in public forums, not the other way round. For eaxmple, I need permission from you to post in a Goan public forum the filthy abusive emails you have cced to me and others personally. Please give me that permission. We will then see who broke the rules, etiquettes and laws. Regarding the electronic proof you have against me to nail me, I give you full permission to post it on Goanet. It will give people a chance to assess the credibility of your claims.
