Re: future of gwt who use gwt
See... http://googlewebtoolkit.blogspot.com/2011/11/gwt-and-dart.html The Google Web Toolkit team has been asked recently about our plans following the announcement of the Dart programming languagehttp://dartlang.org/ a few weeks ago. Dart and GWT both share the goal of enabling structured web programming. In fact, many of the same engineers who brought you GWT are working on Dart. We view Dart as an ambitious evolution of GWT’s mission to make web apps better for end usershttp://code.google.com/webtoolkit/makinggwtbetter.html#introduction, and we’re optimistic about its potential. As Dart evolves and becomes ready for prime time, we anticipate working closely with the GWT developer community to explore Dart. Meanwhile, rest assured that GWT will continue to be a productive and reliable way to build the most ambitious web apps — and even games like Angry Birds. Key projects within Google rely on GWT every day, and we plan to continue improving (and open-sourcing) GWT based on their real-world needs. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/JdoSaWPjhg8J. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: future of gwt who use gwt
Great point. I find a mixed GWT approach works best in this situation so to maximize search spider indexing. I find, it's not that it doesn't work, the angle of approach has to change. One way to use GWT with CMS is to render the HTML via servlet and edit it via GWT or intermixing the GWT like javascript into the HTML. For instance I'll build my editor or tooltips in GWT and fire them when needed with javascript functions in the HTML. I consider GWT just another way to write javascript, but GWT is just one road of many which one could take to write a CMS site with javascript. You're right, content indexing is important. Brandon Donnelson -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/aYwphme9rKIJ. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: future of gwt who use gwt
Hallo, I want ask what do you commend for new project(which option from listed under): 1. Do you commend use GWT ? 2. Do you commend wait some time for dart(in this case how long) ? 3. Do you commend use GWT REST (not RPC) and latter rewrite frontend into Dart ? I anticipate that Dart won't use RPC with java backend ? -btw We want use java on backend. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/mQNZIjCG8acJ. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: future of gwt who use gwt
Hi Krespo, Everything depends upon your specific need. So answering these questions without any background is quite hazardous. 1) yes I mean like YES if you are developing an app - in my experience GWT is the only valid solution for complex app 2) no 3) yes because you are not willing to use java on the backend. In the past I had done backend in php, and node.js - node.js was a really sweet experience On Nov 6, 8:15 am, krespo ma...@gmail.com wrote: Hallo, I want ask what do you commend for new project(which option from listed under): 1. Do you commend use GWT ? 2. Do you commend wait some time for dart(in this case how long) ? 3. Do you commend use GWT REST (not RPC) and latter rewrite frontend into Dart ? I anticipate that Dart won't use RPC with java backend ? -btw We want use java on backend. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: future of gwt who use gwt
I think GWT is awesome for any type of web application. I think RPC is by far the easiest to use and work with, especially if you're new to GWT. There are many communication paths you can do with GWT and they all work great. I'm sure Dart will have some libs to deal with communicating down the road. Brandon Donnelson http://gwt-examples.googlecode.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/DMfSbaXPe88J. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: future of gwt who use gwt
GWT is good at RIA, but not fit for CMS which values SEO. Actually SEO in all AJAX applications is a challenge. The solution provided by Google (#!) hasn't been adopted by other search engines. Regards, Warren Tang http://blog.tangcs.com On 11/7/2011 12:15 AM, Brandon Donnelson wrote: I think GWT is awesome for any type of web application. I think RPC is by far the easiest to use and work with, especially if you're new to GWT. There are many communication paths you can do with GWT and they all work great. I'm sure Dart will have some libs to deal with communicating down the road. Brandon Donnelson http://gwt-examples.googlecode.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/DMfSbaXPe88J. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
RE: future of gwt who use gwt
I think even Google underestimates the power of GWT in such area as refactoring existing MFC C++/Java-Swing GUI clients into Web based. I rewrote MFC C++ client into GWT in a month. And most of the heavy business logic/calculations been just copy/paste from original C++. Can't imagine amount of work needed for such app if you use JavaScript -Sergey From: google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com [mailto:google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chandler Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 11:49 AM To: google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: future of gwt who use gwt Hi Warren, Glad you found my SenchaCon slides (thanks, Thomas--I should have posted them here, too). Let me put some context around fewer releases, less overhaul. Sencha's Darrell Meyer and Sven Brunken did a huge refactoring of Ext GWT last year to make it more compatible with mainline GWT. This was in part necessitated by all the major changes in GWT since 2.1: Cell widgets, Activities Places, RequestFactory / AutoBeans, etc. The GWT team has heard from the community quite a few times please slow down and just make it solid, and we're listening. As to the first point (Google is heavily invested), many of Google's largest projects are built with GWT, and it is widely used within the company. Because GWT is open source, the community will continue to benefit from all the work that Google does on GWT in support of our own projects. This remains one of the great benefits of using GWT. I apologize for the relative silence on this issue. In general, Google is very careful about making public commitments of any kind and rarely discusses future plans, in part because plans are subject to change. /dmc On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Warren Tang warren.c.t...@gmail.com wrote: The following line is also important: (GWT) Aiming for fewer releases, less overhaul. Regards, Warren Tang http://blog.tangcs.com On Saturday, October 29, 2011 11:04:09 AM, Thomas Broyer wrote: David Chandler recently put his SenchaCon slides online: http://www.dartlang.org/slides/2011/10/senchacon/index.html#39 What about GWT? Google is heavily invested -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/uEDf1hXzb6AJ. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:google-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:google-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- David Chandler Developer Programs Engineer w: http://code.google.com/ b: http://turbomanage.wordpress.com/ t: @googledevtools -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. _ This electronic message and any files transmitted with it contains information from iDirect, which may be privileged, proprietary and/or confidential. It is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the original recipient or the person responsible for delivering the email to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this email in error, and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this email is strictly prohibited. If you received this email in error, please delete it and immediately notify the sender. _ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: future of gwt who use gwt
Thank you for sharing Thomas. Visualfox.me is a small design and strategy firm and we use GWT since few years now. Our use of GWT is unorthodox as we focus more on the visual/design aspect. Actually I think that one of the strength of GWT which is currently totally underused and underestimated. I was one of the participant at the developer sandbox at google IO 2010 and while I tried my best to highlight the benefit of GWT I noticed two things: - Current GWT developer are generally part of big to medium corporation and are mostly aiming to translate some legacy software to an intranet/extranet - Startup and younger developer tend to don't really care about GWT mostly because none of the app they use daily are built with GWT (they went to Google IO for chrome and android) Our most recent work done with GWT is t3ll.me: http://t3ll.me/I+AM+AWESOME/BECAUSE+I+AM+MADE+OF+GWT http://t3ll.me/I+am+not+your+average+and+boring+url/you+should+try+it(red)/(yellow)lol+@+url+are+not+awesome(blue) t3ll.me use VisualFox-FX and Bold which let you resize any HTML element to fit in a given box (try to resize your browser while playing with t3ll.me and you will get the idea). On Oct 31, 4:52 pm, darkflame darkfl...@gmail.com wrote: For the original posters question of GWT applications out there, I can offer two of my own modest pieces of work http://www.rateoholic.co.uk (A website for reviewing stuff, the whole interface is GWT with a MySQL/PHP backend) http://www.cuyperscode.com/cuyperscode/CuypersCode2/CCIIstart.html (A online dutch adventure game I was commisioned to make the code for, when the login comes up you can go Log in als gastspeler! to play as guest and test out the interface.) Both of these still have bugs to iron out, but without GWT it would probably have been utterly impossible for a single person to have made these, and be cross browser compatible. -Thomas Wrobel On Oct 31, 4:16 pm, Brandon Donnelson branflake2...@gmail.com wrote: I initial had this thought when it came out but then found the future is bright for GWT. I'm seeing extensive development planned and in progress for GWT after reading posts from the engineers. Even if and when it development does trend to dart, its really similar migration and I believe GWT just might translate to DART. My two cents :) Brandon Donnelsonhttp://gwt-examples.googlecode.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: future of gwt who use gwt
I also found out recently that the Google Checkout store gadgethttp://storegadget.googlelabs.comis built with GWT. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/DsmH59D63gAJ. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: future of gwt who use gwt
Hi Warren, Glad you found my SenchaCon slides (thanks, Thomas--I should have posted them here, too). Let me put some context around fewer releases, less overhaul. Sencha's Darrell Meyer and Sven Brunken did a huge refactoring of Ext GWT last year to make it more compatible with mainline GWT. This was in part necessitated by all the major changes in GWT since 2.1: Cell widgets, Activities Places, RequestFactory / AutoBeans, etc. The GWT team has heard from the community quite a few times please slow down and just make it solid, and we're listening. As to the first point (Google is heavily invested), many of Google's largest projects are built with GWT, and it is widely used within the company. Because GWT is open source, the community will continue to benefit from all the work that Google does on GWT in support of our own projects. This remains one of the great benefits of using GWT. I apologize for the relative silence on this issue. In general, Google is very careful about making public commitments of any kind and rarely discusses future plans, in part because plans are subject to change. /dmc On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 11:32 PM, Warren Tang warren.c.t...@gmail.comwrote: The following line is also important: (GWT) Aiming for fewer releases, less overhaul. Regards, Warren Tang http://blog.tangcs.com On Saturday, October 29, 2011 11:04:09 AM, Thomas Broyer wrote: David Chandler recently put his SenchaCon slides online: http://www.dartlang.org/**slides/2011/10/senchacon/**index.html#39http://www.dartlang.org/slides/2011/10/senchacon/index.html#39 What about GWT? Google is heavily invested -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/**msg/google-web-toolkit/-/**uEDf1hXzb6AJhttps://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/uEDf1hXzb6AJ . To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@** googlegroups.com google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+**unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/**group/google-web-toolkit?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en **. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@**googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com . To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+** unsubscr...@googlegroups.comgoogle-web-toolkit%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/** group/google-web-toolkit?hl=enhttp://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en **. -- David Chandler Developer Programs Engineer w: http://code.google.com/ b: http://turbomanage.wordpress.com/ t: @googledevtools -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: future of gwt who use gwt
I initial had this thought when it came out but then found the future is bright for GWT. I'm seeing extensive development planned and in progress for GWT after reading posts from the engineers. Even if and when it development does trend to dart, its really similar migration and I believe GWT just might translate to DART. My two cents :) Brandon Donnelson http://gwt-examples.googlecode.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/8z-009jDD3gJ. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: future of gwt who use gwt
For the original posters question of GWT applications out there, I can offer two of my own modest pieces of work http://www.rateoholic.co.uk (A website for reviewing stuff, the whole interface is GWT with a MySQL/PHP backend) http://www.cuyperscode.com/cuyperscode/CuypersCode2/CCIIstart.html (A online dutch adventure game I was commisioned to make the code for, when the login comes up you can go Log in als gastspeler! to play as guest and test out the interface.) Both of these still have bugs to iron out, but without GWT it would probably have been utterly impossible for a single person to have made these, and be cross browser compatible. -Thomas Wrobel On Oct 31, 4:16 pm, Brandon Donnelson branflake2...@gmail.com wrote: I initial had this thought when it came out but then found the future is bright for GWT. I'm seeing extensive development planned and in progress for GWT after reading posts from the engineers. Even if and when it development does trend to dart, its really similar migration and I believe GWT just might translate to DART. My two cents :) Brandon Donnelsonhttp://gwt-examples.googlecode.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: future of gwt who use gwt
David Chandler recently put his SenchaCon slides online: http://www.dartlang.org/slides/2011/10/senchacon/index.html#39 What about GWT? Google is heavily invested -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/uEDf1hXzb6AJ. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: future of gwt who use gwt
The following line is also important: (GWT) Aiming for fewer releases, less overhaul. Regards, Warren Tang http://blog.tangcs.com On Saturday, October 29, 2011 11:04:09 AM, Thomas Broyer wrote: David Chandler recently put his SenchaCon slides online: http://www.dartlang.org/slides/2011/10/senchacon/index.html#39 What about GWT? Google is heavily invested -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/uEDf1hXzb6AJ. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: future of gwt who use gwt
Dart is yet very very young.. .I think it will take more than two years to gain popularity and acceptance(if at all?), also all browser vendors (like Microsoft) acceptance. So why worry right now about Dart? Any way new client side technologies keep coming every year. If at all Dart gains popularity in future,I think Google would provide tool to convert your GWT (java) code to Dart. -Nagin On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 11:55 PM, Tomasz Gawel tomaszga...@op.pl wrote: hi thomas, thanks for link to infoq article about dart - so... it seems my guess is possibly right :) - but it's long long way ahead. as to mentioned issue with hashmap - i find it feature rather than problem. and that case is even not java-javascript but ie specific implementation issue. and as to gwt - since this is gwt group - i liked very much the idea of cross-compilation and possibility of maintaining big client side application in java. although it was gwt where i came across it the first time. but than i was not sure about it should try to mimic common java libraries. maybe sticking only to java raw language but with browser specific libriries would be a better solution? libraries that vastly utilize something like JavaScriptObject class in current implementation? maybe the wrong business policy was to target with gwt at existing java developers rather than motivate existing javascript developers to learn java :)? but no tool is perfect - especially from its begining - and imporovements are natural (notice java collections). gwt is still young, and java at its age was imho less convincing technology. if it is not due any legal/licensing strategy than i would stick to java in gwt... if i were gooogle ;). as to mysql - nice to see it on app engine - but this fact does not undermine the possibility of willingness to became independent from oracle owned technology. since mysql community server is open source and GPL licensed, google is no way dependent on oracle in that case. situation with java is quite different, and as i remember some time ago microsoft tried to make its own java, what has been effectively stopped by sun's sue and trial, utlimately resulting in birth of c# :). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: future of gwt who use gwt
I think in the future GWT will compile to Dart for browsers that support Dart and compile to JS (using the dart compiler) for older browsers. Also it seems like that (typed) Dart syntax is very similar to Java so it should be possible to convert a GWT/Java project to Dart. It wouldn't be completely automatic (deferred binding could be a problem) but I think its doable. So I think you won't have any downsides of using GWT now. GWT will be supported a long time as its used in a lot of internal google projects. If you do not choose GWT you have to use JavaScript directly. If Dart becomes successful you have the same problem: How to convert a JavaScript application to Dart?. Using GWT I think you have a pretty good chance that GWT will solve this problem for you... -- J. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/gAfjitVOC_IJ. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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The death of Go seems to me that Dart is just another experiment of Google. When did Go die? Also, if it were dead, why did Google introduce it in the most recent AppEngine API? That was two weeks ago. http://blog.golang.org/2011/10/go-app-engine-sdk-155-released.html Just asking... Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: future of gwt who use gwt
[This is not the place to discuss Dart, please follow up on https://groups.google.com/a/dartlang.org/group/misc/topics (which I do not follow) ] On Tuesday, October 25, 2011 12:19:54 AM UTC+2, Tomasz Gawel wrote: I still don't understand the need for dart. Have a look at www.infoq.com/articles/google-dart if it would be cross-compiled so where is the advantage over gwt? in gwt we have the language that we allready know and tools that were worked out over years. if it will be incorporated into browser as virtual machine than just why not to incorporate the jvm? licensing issues? Dart is designed so as to be cross-compiled to JS, so there's no impedance mismatch. GWT has to do some really tricky things to compile Java to JS (for instance, in Java every object has a hashCode() method and this causes issues when people try to put DOM elements into maps: http://code.google.com/p/google-web-toolkit/issues/detail?id=4086; in Dart, there's a Hashable interface –implemented by very few objects–, and a Hashmap can only use Hashable-s as keys). and another thing - javascript is extremely powerful scripting language. (as far as it is used for scripting - max 300 lines of code it's flexibility is a real power. when comes to maintaining bigger apps this flexibility occurs to be serious flaw, but it the place where gwt enters the play. as i look closer at DART i start to suspect that probably it is not to replace javascript but to replace java (and so avoid dependence to oracle) but do they think they can provide something better than java which gained its maturity over years? Oh yeah, dependence to Oracle; not as if they're going to provide MySQL in AppEngine ;-) http://googleappengine.blogspot.com/2011/10/google-cloud-sql-your-database-in-cloud.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/QzT8_eAtEQQJ. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: future of gwt who use gwt
hi thomas, thanks for link to infoq article about dart - so... it seems my guess is possibly right :) - but it's long long way ahead. as to mentioned issue with hashmap - i find it feature rather than problem. and that case is even not java-javascript but ie specific implementation issue. and as to gwt - since this is gwt group - i liked very much the idea of cross-compilation and possibility of maintaining big client side application in java. although it was gwt where i came across it the first time. but than i was not sure about it should try to mimic common java libraries. maybe sticking only to java raw language but with browser specific libriries would be a better solution? libraries that vastly utilize something like JavaScriptObject class in current implementation? maybe the wrong business policy was to target with gwt at existing java developers rather than motivate existing javascript developers to learn java :)? but no tool is perfect - especially from its begining - and imporovements are natural (notice java collections). gwt is still young, and java at its age was imho less convincing technology. if it is not due any legal/licensing strategy than i would stick to java in gwt... if i were gooogle ;). as to mysql - nice to see it on app engine - but this fact does not undermine the possibility of willingness to became independent from oracle owned technology. since mysql community server is open source and GPL licensed, google is no way dependent on oracle in that case. situation with java is quite different, and as i remember some time ago microsoft tried to make its own java, what has been effectively stopped by sun's sue and trial, utlimately resulting in birth of c# :). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: future of gwt who use gwt
I think, that it should be honest from Google to speak where is true and what will be future of GWT. It's better to speak that future GWT is nothing such as speak nothing. When google not aware this fact, I think it will gradually became haters company (eg Microsoft) in the comunity. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/b3MzARFSEz8J. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: future of gwt who use gwt
I still don't understand the need for dart. if it would be cross-compiled so where is the advantage over gwt? in gwt we have the language that we allready know and tools that were worked out over years. if it will be incorporated into browser as virtual machine than just why not to incorporate the jvm? licensing issues? and another thing - javascript is extremely powerful scripting language. (as far as it is used for scripting - max 300 lines of code it's flexibility is a real power. when comes to maintaining bigger apps this flexibility occurs to be serious flaw, but it the place where gwt enters the play. as i look closer at DART i start to suspect that probably it is not to replace javascript but to replace java (and so avoid dependence to oracle) but do they think they can provide something better than java which gained its maturity over years? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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This is a very interesting viewpoint in my opinion - as i look closer at DART i start to suspect that probably it is not to replace javascript but to replace java (and so avoid dependence to oracle) but do they think they can provide something better than java which gained its maturity over years? On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Tomasz Gawel tomaszga...@op.pl wrote: I still don't understand the need for dart. if it would be cross-compiled so where is the advantage over gwt? in gwt we have the language that we allready know and tools that were worked out over years. if it will be incorporated into browser as virtual machine than just why not to incorporate the jvm? licensing issues? and another thing - javascript is extremely powerful scripting language. (as far as it is used for scripting - max 300 lines of code it's flexibility is a real power. when comes to maintaining bigger apps this flexibility occurs to be serious flaw, but it the place where gwt enters the play. as i look closer at DART i start to suspect that probably it is not to replace javascript but to replace java (and so avoid dependence to oracle) but do they think they can provide something better than java which gained its maturity over years? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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We have Scala to replace Java and it will be available in GWT (see: http://groups.google.com/group/scalagwt ). On 24 oct, 19:29, Harpal Grover harpal.gro...@gmail.com wrote: This is a very interesting viewpoint in my opinion - as i look closer at DART i start to suspect that probably it is not to replace javascript but to replace java (and so avoid dependence to oracle) but do they think they can provide something better than java which gained its maturity over years? On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 6:19 PM, Tomasz Gawel tomaszga...@op.pl wrote: I still don't understand the need for dart. if it would be cross-compiled so where is the advantage over gwt? in gwt we have the language that we allready know and tools that were worked out over years. if it will be incorporated into browser as virtual machine than just why not to incorporate the jvm? licensing issues? and another thing - javascript is extremely powerful scripting language. (as far as it is used for scripting - max 300 lines of code it's flexibility is a real power. when comes to maintaining bigger apps this flexibility occurs to be serious flaw, but it the place where gwt enters the play. as i look closer at DART i start to suspect that probably it is not to replace javascript but to replace java (and so avoid dependence to oracle) but do they think they can provide something better than java which gained its maturity over years? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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Another language, oh my... The death of Go seems to me that Dart is just another experiment of Google. Whether it will gain popularity or not is under question. Replacing GWT (Java) with something else will definitely drive away many java programmers, who are already overburdened by so many technologies and value making most of their existing skills. IMHO. the possibility of Google getting rid of Java is low, but Dart is about future, maybe not the near future, maybe the day Java loses its prime time. It could also give Google a good position in negotiating web standards, as Google's eyes are on the web. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/OGIXJnYld44J. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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Don't worry, it will be supported for long time beside the fact, Of course, as Google uses it a lot internal, but I think what's more important: adding new features that people are waiting for as time passes and applications demand more rich features. I am more worried about the future of GWT's roadmap for new features as I can imagine that the GWT project get's a lower priority inside the Google company due to Dart. Let's hope this won't happen for a very long time. On Oct 22, 6:20 pm, András Csányi sayusi.a...@gmail.com wrote: On 22 October 2011 18:09, Alan Chaney a...@mechnicality.com wrote: @Krespo - if you are seriously worried about the future of GWT w.r.t Dart, then a quick search on Google gives this: http://markmail.org/message/uro3jtoitlmq6x7t Purported to be a leaked internal email, but, who knows?. Open the email and search for GWT - you'll get your answer (for Dash read Dart) Long story short: What is the future of the JSCompiler and GWT? JSCompiler and GWT were already on a merger path. This effort gives us a direction for that unification around the Dash language. We will actively support teams for a long time on the current generation of JSCompiler and GWT and provide fantastic co-existence and migration tools to Dash. Don't worry, it will be supported for long time beside the fact, according to the linked email, it will be part of bigger something by the time. -- - - -- Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando) --http://sayusi.hu--http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi -- Trust in God and keep your gunpowder dry! - Cromwell -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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I have a greater fear of having to use plain old Javascript/JQuery and the minefield of cross-browser compatibility, than GWT's product path... :-) On Oct 22, 1:27 pm, krespo ma...@gmail.com wrote: when I good understand, google wanted for some period support GWT, but they don't want to extend funciontality of GWT(maybe will recover existing bugs). They want to migrate existing GWT users into DART. But in this Dart way I see some disadvantages against GWT eg: 1. java lang on client and server , 2. same model class for client server side ... .I think that there will be compatibility between java - dart and stay RPC mechanism. What Do you think about my opinion ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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jquery != problem with browser compatibility. People will make sure jquery 'still works' *long after* Google stops working on GWT and open sources it. (Not good or bad, just obviously true) Roger On Oct 23, 2011, at 1:57 PM, Rori Stumpf wrote: I have a greater fear of having to use plain old Javascript/JQuery and the minefield of cross-browser compatibility, than GWT's product path... :-) On Oct 22, 1:27 pm, krespo ma...@gmail.com wrote: when I good understand, google wanted for some period support GWT, but they don't want to extend funciontality of GWT(maybe will recover existing bugs). They want to migrate existing GWT users into DART. But in this Dart way I see some disadvantages against GWT eg: 1. java lang on client and server , 2. same model class for client server side ... .I think that there will be compatibility between java - dart and stay RPC mechanism. What Do you think about my opinion ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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I asked it becouse I will start new project(single page app) scalable app, and I'm thinking when is it wort to start new GWT project, or wait for some time(for example 5months) and start it with Dart ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/iQTQiyaRzkUJ. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: future of gwt who use gwt
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 is there a good dart ide? no. question answered. :) Am 22.10.2011 13:28, schrieb krespo: I asked it becouse I will start new project(single page app) scalable app, and I'm thinking when is it wort to start new GWT project, or wait for some time(for example 5months) and start it with Dart ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/iQTQiyaRzkUJ. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJOoqzcAAoJENRtux+h35aGx/YP/39fZP9QNQqYzYza80roPiys UKvKjk2Ua7WBmqB5mv00lhVEkbH6k0kcJ2ihrs6MOBLfKqPIdknzTXhBujUhgmku 09f5/jkE6TYSpUe7sZbx6rjUrSgZ5o+dGip+JvCYhzoZ4KErMipxCXQKjUR1SWCE KYKpaoFS6EnaJwVvW1Xc3paH056fDMX/oK1n3M+muqtnaozFTXlUTY78GzJSe+eE FYwtFHqvf99baxwg3UlpBB4O7fubpfh4EESp8jHRDTfqd0+LoUtw5TOCLAkGXdS0 cFkxU5FH6sYoBJY34Oi/byq1urzz+uL/8uHHwMizwQJ2vnRdtNJpFay/0kkFDajb 1FwFsIY82ADjzNxBZPVpFNEKAI0/nb2/CGJNAbNWou/j1LyPS5xMOBuPEbSZJQDj Q8T5bi0KOP1HTy6sGkWdb+Ah4QoNQ+BqRiiFu+r8r/Vyj9blgNpmtAztdPg1X2IU LJ1W4trCQ+a25y/dn9RG68e6VTcN0T3m6pVnz58zEvh/T9YXECjgvIHzSLtl5cIC rBWjZ2rH2s0hJzjPnwVPwRiu3s1NkPXbUJbtinkgq/zqcrX7QLsvELKiEy4CUlWZ 5VKE9xa9GAzqwYXWBLuYaPeUF1eU7H4yDg1HhKTzAav0CyOPYLWYGu33f3Fjaae5 Ri9BwYMWLUa/1YiTCUK8 =n6PZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: future of gwt who use gwt
On Saturday, October 22, 2011 1:15:35 PM UTC+2, krespo wrote: Hallo, I have 2questions: 1. How is the future of gwt , after Dart release ? Will you continuously migrate users into Dart, or Dart hasnt impact on GWT platform ? (GWT use RPC, but Dart not, it's not java) See https://groups.google.com/d/topic/google-web-toolkit/1YCWagI6Y2U/discussion But there hasn't been anything official from Google. What's clear is that Dart is beta software (maybe even alpha actually) 2. where can I found some GWT real world applications (please URL) ? You're using one at the moment: http://groups.google.com/forum/ A few other: Google AdWords, Google Moderator, Apache (ex-Google) Wave, Google Flight Search See also http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/developer_spotlight.html and http://gwtgallery.appspot.com/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/h-QSiPBv28kJ. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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Yes, I thought statement from google GWT team. I think when going on this forum some people from GWT team,should give us some statement between relationship dart and GWT (or paste on the blog). Without unclear future I can't choose GWT for out project, and I think that more people will be thinking such as I. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/A4j7k52sJ_cJ. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: future of gwt who use gwt
@Krespo - if you are seriously worried about the future of GWT w.r.t Dart, then a quick search on Google gives this: http://markmail.org/message/uro3jtoitlmq6x7t Purported to be a leaked internal email, but, who knows?. Open the email and search for GWT - you'll get your answer (for Dash read Dart) Alan On 10/22/2011 8:31 AM, krespo wrote: Yes, I thought statement from google GWT team. I think when going on this forum some people from GWT team,should give us some statement between relationship dart and GWT (or paste on the blog). Without unclear future I can't choose GWT for out project, and I think that more people will be thinking such as I. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/A4j7k52sJ_cJ. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
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On 22 October 2011 18:09, Alan Chaney a...@mechnicality.com wrote: @Krespo - if you are seriously worried about the future of GWT w.r.t Dart, then a quick search on Google gives this: http://markmail.org/message/uro3jtoitlmq6x7t Purported to be a leaked internal email, but, who knows?. Open the email and search for GWT - you'll get your answer (for Dash read Dart) Long story short: What is the future of the JSCompiler and GWT? JSCompiler and GWT were already on a merger path. This effort gives us a direction for that unification around the Dash language. We will actively support teams for a long time on the current generation of JSCompiler and GWT and provide fantastic co-existence and migration tools to Dash. Don't worry, it will be supported for long time beside the fact, according to the linked email, it will be part of bigger something by the time. -- - - -- Csanyi Andras (Sayusi Ando) -- http://sayusi.hu -- http://facebook.com/andras.csanyi -- Trust in God and keep your gunpowder dry! - Cromwell -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
Re: future of gwt who use gwt
when I good understand, google wanted for some period support GWT, but they don't want to extend funciontality of GWT(maybe will recover existing bugs). They want to migrate existing GWT users into DART. But in this Dart way I see some disadvantages against GWT eg: 1. java lang on client and server , 2. same model class for client server side ... .I think that there will be compatibility between java - dart and stay RPC mechanism. What Do you think about my opinion ? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Google Web Toolkit group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/google-web-toolkit/-/J6TIgjdctY0J. To post to this group, send email to google-web-toolkit@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to google-web-toolkit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/google-web-toolkit?hl=en.
