Re: [GRASS-PSC] [GRASS GIS Elections 2020] Current members of the PSC willing to stand up for reelection?

[Peter Löwe]

Hernán,

 

thanks for being our CRO !

 

Happy holidays & stay healthy,

Peter

 



 
 

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Thank you Margherita and Peter.

I can now count 7 votes in favor of the proposal (Markus, Moritz, Anna, Helena, Margherita, Peter and Michael) from a total of 9 possible.

I will then write this in the wiki and after that inform everyone on the lists:

"GRASS GIS PSC members are to be nominated for re-election in the same way by the community as possible new candidates"

Have a nice Christmas Holidays everyone.

Hernán (CRO)

On 2020-12-23 09:25, Peter Löwe wrote:



+1 for proposal #2: "GRASS GIS PSC members are to be nominated for re-election in the same
way by the community as possible new candidates"

 

Best,

Peter

 



 
 

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On 2020-12-22 17:43, Michael Barton wrote:

I have no issue with either proposal. I did not respond because I never saw a notification, even though I was looking for it.
 

 


If I counted correctly, it seems then that at this point we will need one more PSC vote to approve proposal #2.

"GRASS GIS PSC members are to be nominated for re-election in the same
way by the community as possible new candidates"

Anyone?

 

Hernán (CRO)

 

 

 





On Dec 22, 2020, at 6:48 AM, Markus Neteler  wrote:
 


On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 12:34 PM Chief Return Officer (CRO) - GRASS
GIS election 2020  wrote:

On 2020-12-22 12:08, Markus Neteler wrote:
On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 10:28 AM Moritz Lennert

...



But I agree with Hernán that we should have discussed this earlier.
Still it is not too late, say, "nothing lost".

Marcus, what do you say on this?

What I tried to say is that we might quickly modify our procedure to
Helli's suggestion as no PSC member had answered yet (hence, no
conflict arises so far).
 
What do other PSC members say? Shall
the PSC make a consensus on these proposals? In that case it would be
nice to have the matter resolved rather sooner than later.

Definitely.

@PSC: do you agree to change our procedure to

"GRASS GIS PSC members are to be nominated for re-election in the same
way by the community as possible new candidates"

?

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] [GRASS GIS Elections 2020] Current members of the PSC willing to stand up for reelection?

[Chief Return Officer (CRO) - GRASS GIS election 2020]

Thank you Margherita and Peter.

I can now count 7 votes in favor of the proposal (Markus, Moritz, Anna, 
Helena, Margherita, Peter and Michael) from a total of 9 possible.


I will then write this in the wiki and after that inform everyone on the 
lists:


"GRASS GIS PSC members are to be nominated for re-election in the same 
way by the community as possible new candidates"


Have a nice Christmas Holidays everyone.

Hernán (CRO)

On 2020-12-23 09:25, Peter Löwe wrote:
+1 for proposal #2: "GRASS GIS PSC members are to be nominated for 
re-election in the same

way by the community as possible new candidates"
Best,
Peter

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of the PSC willing to stand up for reelection?

On 2020-12-22 17:43, Michael Barton wrote:

I have no issue with either proposal. I did not respond because I
never saw a notification, even though I was looking for it.

If I counted correctly, it seems then that at this point we will need 
one more PSC vote to approve proposal #2.


"GRASS GIS PSC members are to be nominated for re-election in the same
way by the community as possible new candidates"

Anyone?

Hernán (CRO)

On Dec 22, 2020, at 6:48 AM, Markus Neteler mailto:nete...@osgeo.org>> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 12:34 PM Chief Return Officer (CRO) -
GRASS
GIS election 2020 mailto:variablestarli...@gmail.com>> wrote:

On 2020-12-22 12:08, Markus Neteler wrote:

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 10:28 AM Moritz Lennert

...

But I agree with Hernán that we should have
discussed this earlier.

Still it is not too late, say, "nothing lost".


Marcus, what do you say on this?


What I tried to say is that we might quickly modify our
procedure to
Helli's suggestion as no PSC member had answered yet (hence, no
conflict arises so far).

What do other PSC members say? Shall
the PSC make a consensus on these proposals? In that case
it would be
nice to have the matter resolved rather sooner than later.


Definitely.

@PSC: do you agree to change our procedure to

"GRASS GIS PSC members are to be nominated for re-election in
the same
way by the community as possible new candidates"

?

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] [GRASS GIS Elections 2020] Current members of the PSC willing to stand up for reelection?

[Peter Löwe]

+1 for proposal #2: "GRASS GIS PSC members are to be nominated for re-election in the same
way by the community as possible new candidates"

 

Best,

Peter

 



 
 

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On 2020-12-22 17:43, Michael Barton wrote:

I have no issue with either proposal. I did not respond because I never saw a notification, even though I was looking for it.
 

 


If I counted correctly, it seems then that at this point we will need one more PSC vote to approve proposal #2.

"GRASS GIS PSC members are to be nominated for re-election in the same
way by the community as possible new candidates"

Anyone?

 

Hernán (CRO)

 

 

 





On Dec 22, 2020, at 6:48 AM, Markus Neteler  wrote:
 


On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 12:34 PM Chief Return Officer (CRO) - GRASS
GIS election 2020  wrote:

On 2020-12-22 12:08, Markus Neteler wrote:
On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 10:28 AM Moritz Lennert

...



But I agree with Hernán that we should have discussed this earlier.
Still it is not too late, say, "nothing lost".

Marcus, what do you say on this?

What I tried to say is that we might quickly modify our procedure to
Helli's suggestion as no PSC member had answered yet (hence, no
conflict arises so far).
 
What do other PSC members say? Shall
the PSC make a consensus on these proposals? In that case it would be
nice to have the matter resolved rather sooner than later.

Definitely.

@PSC: do you agree to change our procedure to

"GRASS GIS PSC members are to be nominated for re-election in the same
way by the community as possible new candidates"

?

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] [GRASS GIS Elections 2020] Current members of the PSC willing to stand up for reelection?

[Margherita Di Leo]

+ 1 from me as well for proposal #2.

Thanks
Kind regards,

On Wed, Dec 23, 2020 at 8:19 AM Chief Return Officer (CRO) - GRASS GIS
election 2020  wrote:

> On 2020-12-22 17:43, Michael Barton wrote:
>
> I have no issue with either proposal. I did not respond because I never
> saw a notification, even though I was looking for it.
>
>
> If I counted correctly, it seems then that at this point we will need one
> more PSC vote to approve proposal #2.
>
> "GRASS GIS PSC members are to be nominated for re-election in the same
> way by the community as possible new candidates"
>
> Anyone?
>
>
> Hernán (CRO)
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 22, 2020, at 6:48 AM, Markus Neteler  wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 12:34 PM Chief Return Officer (CRO) - GRASS
> GIS election 2020  wrote:
>
> On 2020-12-22 12:08, Markus Neteler wrote:
>
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 10:28 AM Moritz Lennert
>
> ...
>
> But I agree with Hernán that we should have discussed this earlier.
>
> Still it is not too late, say, "nothing lost".
>
>
> Marcus, what do you say on this?
>
>
> What I tried to say is that we might quickly modify our procedure to
> Helli's suggestion as no PSC member had answered yet (hence, no
> conflict arises so far).
>
> What do other PSC members say? Shall
> the PSC make a consensus on these proposals? In that case it would be
> nice to have the matter resolved rather sooner than later.
>
>
> Definitely.
>
> @PSC: do you agree to change our procedure to
>
> "GRASS GIS PSC members are to be nominated for re-election in the same
> way by the community as possible new candidates"
>
> ?
>
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] [GRASS GIS Elections 2020] Current members of the PSC willing to stand up for reelection?

[Chief Return Officer (CRO) - GRASS GIS election 2020]

On 2020-12-22 17:43, Michael Barton wrote:
I have no issue with either proposal. I did not respond because I 
never saw a notification, even though I was looking for it.



If I counted correctly, it seems then that at this point we will need 
one more PSC vote to approve proposal #2.


"GRASS GIS PSC members are to be nominated for re-election in the same
way by the community as possible new candidates"

Anyone?


Hernán (CRO)




On Dec 22, 2020, at 6:48 AM, Markus Neteler > wrote:


On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 12:34 PM Chief Return Officer (CRO) - GRASS
GIS election 2020 > wrote:

On 2020-12-22 12:08, Markus Neteler wrote:

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 10:28 AM Moritz Lennert

...

But I agree with Hernán that we should have discussed this earlier.

Still it is not too late, say, "nothing lost".


Marcus, what do you say on this?


What I tried to say is that we might quickly modify our procedure to
Helli's suggestion as no PSC member had answered yet (hence, no
conflict arises so far).


What do other PSC members say? Shall
the PSC make a consensus on these proposals? In that case it would be
nice to have the matter resolved rather sooner than later.


Definitely.

@PSC: do you agree to change our procedure to

"GRASS GIS PSC members are to be nominated for re-election in the same
way by the community as possible new candidates"

?

Markus
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] [GRASS GIS Elections 2020] Current members of the PSC willing to stand up for reelection?

[Michael Barton]

I have no issue with either proposal. I did not respond because I never saw a 
notification, even though I was looking for it.

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On Dec 22, 2020, at 6:48 AM, Markus Neteler 
mailto:nete...@osgeo.org>> wrote:

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 12:34 PM Chief Return Officer (CRO) - GRASS
GIS election 2020 
mailto:variablestarli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
On 2020-12-22 12:08, Markus Neteler wrote:
On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 10:28 AM Moritz Lennert
...
But I agree with Hernán that we should have discussed this earlier.
Still it is not too late, say, "nothing lost".

Marcus, what do you say on this?

What I tried to say is that we might quickly modify our procedure to
Helli's suggestion as no PSC member had answered yet (hence, no
conflict arises so far).

What do other PSC members say? Shall
the PSC make a consensus on these proposals? In that case it would be
nice to have the matter resolved rather sooner than later.

Definitely.

@PSC: do you agree to change our procedure to

"GRASS GIS PSC members are to be nominated for re-election in the same
way by the community as possible new candidates"

?

Markus
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] [GRASS GIS Elections 2020] Current members of the PSC willing to stand up for reelection?

[Moritz Lennert]

On 22/12/20 14:48, Markus Neteler wrote:

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 12:34 PM Chief Return Officer (CRO) - GRASS
GIS election 2020  wrote:

On 2020-12-22 12:08, Markus Neteler wrote:

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 10:28 AM Moritz Lennert

...

But I agree with Hernán that we should have discussed this earlier.

Still it is not too late, say, "nothing lost".


Marcus, what do you say on this?


What I tried to say is that we might quickly modify our procedure to
Helli's suggestion as no PSC member had answered yet (hence, no
conflict arises so far).


What do other PSC members say? Shall
the PSC make a consensus on these proposals? In that case it would be
nice to have the matter resolved rather sooner than later.


Definitely.

@PSC: do you agree to change our procedure to

"GRASS GIS PSC members are to be nominated for re-election in the same
way by the community as possible new candidates"



+1

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] [GRASS GIS Elections 2020] Current members of the PSC willing to stand up for reelection?

[Helena Mitasova]

I agree with #2 - the current PSC members should be nominated for re-election 
by member(s) of the community- this is consistent with the OSGeo election 
procedure. 

We should also make sure that the nominee agrees to be nominated, 

Helena

> On Dec 22, 2020, at 8:48 AM, Markus Neteler  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 12:34 PM Chief Return Officer (CRO) - GRASS
> GIS election 2020  wrote:
>> On 2020-12-22 12:08, Markus Neteler wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 10:28 AM Moritz Lennert
> ...
 But I agree with Hernán that we should have discussed this earlier.
>>> Still it is not too late, say, "nothing lost".
>> 
>> Marcus, what do you say on this?
> 
> What I tried to say is that we might quickly modify our procedure to
> Helli's suggestion as no PSC member had answered yet (hence, no
> conflict arises so far).
> 
>> What do other PSC members say? Shall
>> the PSC make a consensus on these proposals? In that case it would be
>> nice to have the matter resolved rather sooner than later.
> 
> Definitely.
> 
> @PSC: do you agree to change our procedure to
> 
> "GRASS GIS PSC members are to be nominated for re-election in the same
> way by the community as possible new candidates"
> 
> ?
> 
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] [GRASS GIS Elections 2020] Current members of the PSC willing to stand up for reelection?

[Markus Neteler]

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 12:34 PM Chief Return Officer (CRO) - GRASS
GIS election 2020  wrote:
> On 2020-12-22 12:08, Markus Neteler wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 10:28 AM Moritz Lennert
...
> >> But I agree with Hernán that we should have discussed this earlier.
> > Still it is not too late, say, "nothing lost".
>
> Marcus, what do you say on this?

What I tried to say is that we might quickly modify our procedure to
Helli's suggestion as no PSC member had answered yet (hence, no
conflict arises so far).

> What do other PSC members say? Shall
> the PSC make a consensus on these proposals? In that case it would be
> nice to have the matter resolved rather sooner than later.

Definitely.

@PSC: do you agree to change our procedure to

"GRASS GIS PSC members are to be nominated for re-election in the same
way by the community as possible new candidates"

?

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] [GRASS GIS Elections 2020] Current members of the PSC willing to stand up for reelection?

[Chief Return Officer (CRO) - GRASS GIS election 2020]

On 2020-12-22 12:08, Markus Neteler wrote:

PSC, all,

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 10:28 AM Moritz Lennert
 wrote:

Am 22. Dezember 2020 09:24:17 MEZ schrieb "Chief Return Officer (CRO) - GRASS GIS election 
2020" :

On 2020-12-21 22:20, Helmut Kudrnovsky wrote:

wouldn't it be more transparent if current GRASS GIS PSC members are
nominated for re-election in the same way by the community as possible new
candidates?



Thanks for your input, Helmut. The election wiki is not very clear about
this, it only states that "current PSC members will be asked if they
wish to stand as a candidate for the upcoming election" without any
further clarification. This is definitely a grey area worth developing.
I agree your proposal is a good idea, but it is possibly not my role to
decide on this. Also it is possibly late as we we have already launched
the nominations.

I believe this is something the PSC can decide:

1. should current PSC members have the right to stand up for reelection
without explicit nomination? (current line of action)

or

2. should current PSC members have to be nominated in the same way as
any other member of the community? (we could start right now as no PSC
members have yet stand up)

I agree with Helmut and would plead for 2).

I also agree with Helmut and would plead for 2).


But I agree with Hernán that we should have discussed this earlier.

Still it is not too late, say, "nothing lost".


Marcus, what do you say on this? What do other PSC members say? Shall 
the PSC make a consensus on these proposals? In that case it would be 
nice to have the matter resolved rather sooner than later.


Hernán (CRO)

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] [GRASS GIS Elections 2020] Current members of the PSC willing to stand up for reelection?

[Markus Neteler]

PSC, all,

On Tue, Dec 22, 2020 at 10:28 AM Moritz Lennert
 wrote:
> Am 22. Dezember 2020 09:24:17 MEZ schrieb "Chief Return Officer (CRO) - GRASS 
> GIS election 2020" :
> >On 2020-12-21 22:20, Helmut Kudrnovsky wrote:
> >> wouldn't it be more transparent if current GRASS GIS PSC members are
> >> nominated for re-election in the same way by the community as possible new
> >> candidates?
> >>
> >>
> >Thanks for your input, Helmut. The election wiki is not very clear about
> >this, it only states that "current PSC members will be asked if they
> >wish to stand as a candidate for the upcoming election" without any
> >further clarification. This is definitely a grey area worth developing.
> >I agree your proposal is a good idea, but it is possibly not my role to
> >decide on this. Also it is possibly late as we we have already launched
> >the nominations.
> >
> >I believe this is something the PSC can decide:
> >
> >1. should current PSC members have the right to stand up for reelection
> >without explicit nomination? (current line of action)
> >
> >or
> >
> >2. should current PSC members have to be nominated in the same way as
> >any other member of the community? (we could start right now as no PSC
> >members have yet stand up)
>
> I agree with Helmut and would plead for 2).

I also agree with Helmut and would plead for 2).

> But I agree with Hernán that we should have discussed this earlier.

Still it is not too late, say, "nothing lost".

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Re: [GRASS-PSC] [GRASS GIS Elections 2020] Current members of the PSC willing to stand up for reelection?

[Chief Return Officer (CRO) - GRASS GIS election 2020]

On 2020-12-22 10:27, Moritz Lennert wrote:


Am 22. Dezember 2020 09:24:17 MEZ schrieb "Chief Return Officer (CRO) - GRASS GIS election 
2020" :

On 2020-12-21 22:20, Helmut Kudrnovsky wrote:

wouldn't it be more transparent if current GRASS GIS PSC members are
nominated for re-election in the same way by the community as possible new
candidates?



Thanks for your input, Helmut. The election wiki is not very clear about
this, it only states that "current PSC members will be asked if they
wish to stand as a candidate for the upcoming election" without any
further clarification. This is definitely a grey area worth developing.
I agree your proposal is a good idea, but it is possibly not my role to
decide on this. Also it is possibly late as we we have already launched
the nominations.

I believe this is something the PSC can decide:

1. should current PSC members have the right to stand up for reelection
without explicit nomination? (current line of action)

or

2. should current PSC members have to be nominated in the same way as
any other member of the community? (we could start right now as no PSC
members have yet stand up)

I agree with Helmut and would plead for 2).


Thanks for this, Moritz. I believe we may still change things and adhere 
to proposal 2) because no PSC member has yet announced her/his intention 
to stand up for reelection. But then I am not sure what would be 
required for that. A PSC motion? Too late for that may be. A broad 
agreement here on the PSC list?  Perhaps. On the other hand, if a 
current member wants to stand up for reelection she/he still has to 
explicitly announce it. It is not that a PSC member automatically goes 
on as candidate.


But now, a whole day has passed and I only got one nomination. I am 
starting to consider the worrying scenario that we may not have enough 
nominations. Perhaps I will have to run a more aggressive campaign of 
announcements in a few days.


Hernán



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Re: [GRASS-PSC] [GRASS GIS Elections 2020] Current members of the PSC willing to stand up for reelection?

[Moritz Lennert]

Am 22. Dezember 2020 09:24:17 MEZ schrieb "Chief Return Officer (CRO) - GRASS 
GIS election 2020" :
>
>On 2020-12-21 22:20, Helmut Kudrnovsky wrote:
>> wouldn't it be more transparent if current GRASS GIS PSC members are
>> nominated for re-election in the same way by the community as possible new
>> candidates?
>>
>>
>Thanks for your input, Helmut. The election wiki is not very clear about 
>this, it only states that "current PSC members will be asked if they 
>wish to stand as a candidate for the upcoming election" without any 
>further clarification. This is definitely a grey area worth developing. 
>I agree your proposal is a good idea, but it is possibly not my role to 
>decide on this. Also it is possibly late as we we have already launched 
>the nominations.
>
>I believe this is something the PSC can decide:
>
>1. should current PSC members have the right to stand up for reelection 
>without explicit nomination? (current line of action)
>
>or
>
>2. should current PSC members have to be nominated in the same way as 
>any other member of the community? (we could start right now as no PSC 
>members have yet stand up)

I agree with Helmut and would plead for 2).

But I agree with Hernán that we should have discussed this earlier.

Moritz
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Re: [GRASS-PSC] [GRASS GIS Elections 2020] Current members of the PSC willing to stand up for reelection?

[Chief Return Officer (CRO) - GRASS GIS election 2020]

On 2020-12-21 22:20, Helmut Kudrnovsky wrote:

wouldn't it be more transparent if current GRASS GIS PSC members are
nominated for re-election in the same way by the community as possible new
candidates?


Thanks for your input, Helmut. The election wiki is not very clear about 
this, it only states that "current PSC members will be asked if they 
wish to stand as a candidate for the upcoming election" without any 
further clarification. This is definitely a grey area worth developing. 
I agree your proposal is a good idea, but it is possibly not my role to 
decide on this. Also it is possibly late as we we have already launched 
the nominations.


I believe this is something the PSC can decide:

1. should current PSC members have the right to stand up for reelection 
without explicit nomination? (current line of action)


or

2. should current PSC members have to be nominated in the same way as 
any other member of the community? (we could start right now as no PSC 
members have yet stand up)


In any case, this is something that can be implemented in the next 
elections.


Cheers

Hernán

CRO


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