Re: [h-cost] Costumers in Edinburgh?
Hi Nicole, I have followed your projekts all the time. They are wonderfull all, but my favourite is Madame Scarlet! Bjarne - Original Message - From: Nicole Kipar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 12:32 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costumers in Edinburgh? Thank you ever so much for your kind words, Bjarne, Saragrace and Jean. :-) I do have a little bit to show, even though I didn't have much time for website updates. That was an understatement, I had no time. Here are some of my latest costumes evening outfits: http://www.kipar.org/salacious-historian/sewingprojects.html Nicole If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. From: Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costumers in Edinburgh? Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:41:47 +0100 Oh yes that goes for me two!!! Bjarne - Original Message - From: WickedFrau [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costumers in Edinburgh? Sorry I can't be of help to you, but I sure miss you on this list. I have often wondered what happened to several of you oldies but goodies and why you disappeared. Glad it is nothing we did! Good luck in finding a someone nearby. Drop a line to us once in awhile and let us know of your costuming endeavors Might not be my time period, but I still love hearing about them! Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume _ Are you using the latest version of MSN Messenger? Download MSN Messenger 7.5 today! http://messenger.msn.co.uk ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219
Hi Albertcat, Those shirts i have seen all has shoulder seams, some even has reinforcement in the shoulders. But you are right about the neck gussets. But its easy to make, i have not had any difficulties in making them. Bjarne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 1:53 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219 In a message dated 3/20/2006 7:12:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: instead of making measurements of my husband. For a real 18th century shirt, the only measurement you need is the neck, really. It's a one size fits all kinda affair. For instance, the sleeves are blouse-y so as to fit everyone. Thus we also get sleeve garters. But if the pattern is rectangles, then go for it! The only difficult things about a real 18th century shirt are the neck gussets...set in at where the shoulder seam would meet the neckbut there are no shoulder seams in a real 18th century shirt. It's cut like a poncho. These triangular gussets set in at the neckline help give the shirt a shoulder slope that we just cut into a shirt nowadays with shoulder seams. These gussets are a great design feature, I think. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles
I hope so also. In the other four volumes of the Osebergfunnet, certain sets had very good English summaries. Beth At Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:41:02 +, Caroline wrote: That is great news. I hope there will be a reasonable amount of it in English. On 20/03/06, Beth and Bob Matney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, here's the details on the book. As they are from Arne Emil Christensen, I tend to trust them. I'm still awaiting details on how to order. Beth Matney ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219
My immediate take of this pattern item is that the book-holder is meant to be a Cleric and thus gives an illustration for a third class of users for the pattern. It almost looks as if it were a cassock of some style,,,even with the fallen lace band. kathleen - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219 At 16:49 20/03/2006, you wrote: This is a new pattern for costume shirts. I was wondering if anyone can identify view A (lower right corner with the book) and tell me what time period it's supposed to be from: http://www.simplicity.com/assets/4219/4219.jpg Dawn Apparently, here in England, a shirt like this is sold as a poet shirt. (Not sure which one this refers to, although I think maybe bottom left - was talking to someone at the weekend about this pattern but as I wasn't planning on buying, didn't register all of the info!) I think as the shirt you refer to has a black stock it is likely to be that loose period Regency meaning anything from late 18th to mid 1840's, according to some descriptions I've read. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] RE: Regency Dress Closures (was back side lacing)
In a message dated 3/20/2006 10:30:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are some that have drawstrings with a back opening (frequently with one button at the waist) as well as the drawstrings. Nancy Bradford shows a number of those. I have seen some extant gowns that have hooks and eyes at center back, but only one at the neck and one at the waist--guess they didn't worry too much about gap-osis! Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] RE back side lacing was:Stomacher --a photo demo
I forget which pattern I followed, but the instructions for the bib front has a inner bodice front that hooks center front. The 'bib' is sewn at the right shoulder and armseye. The other side flips up and is fastened with snaps across the shoulder and down the left side following the seam line which includes the other armseye. The skirt front is sewn to the lining (Bodice) to the center front and this too is attached to the L side seam with hooks/eyes and snaps. One of the antique garments that I have seen was of a shear dimity with a floral pattern. Th left side of the under bodice had a strip of about 4this patterned cloth sewn over the bodice, so that when closed by the bib, would appear the same as the outer cover...if there were gaps. Putting this dress on can be done by one's self...A plus! Kathleen - Original Message - From: Hope Greenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] RE back side lacing was:Stomacher --a photo demo Here are a few examples from the Bradfield book Bjarne mentioned: Early style (1803-10): Apron front: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/books-helps/bradfield-costume-p88.jpg anther apron style: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/books-helps/bradfield-costume-p89.jpg http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/books-helps/bradfield-costume-p90.jpg Back closure ties and button: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/books-helps/bradfield-costume-p92.jpg Back closure, ties and hooks: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/books-helps/bradfield-costume-p94.jpg Another variation of the apron style: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/books-helps/bradfield-costume-p96.jpg Here's a later style (1815ish) with back hooks: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/evening-extant/1815-ball-peach-mccord.JPG and one with ties (c. 1823): http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/regency/evening-extant/1823-clear-blue-bowes.jpg It's a bit odd to modern eyes because there are gaps, but beneath the gaps would have been a shift, probably some form of stays, and a petticoat. - Hope (who is currently in the throes of pulling together materials for a presentation to the local English Country Dance Group on early 19th century gowns, probable title It's All in the Details, or, How to Make a Regency Ballgown that Doesn't Look Like a Hippie Prom Dress) Jean Waddie wrote: This pink dress reminded me... a friend is making a Regency style gown, for a party so it doesn't have to be particularly authentic, but neither of us can work out - how/where do they fasten? Some have buttons down the centre back, but most don't seem to have any visible opening. Please, somebody, give us a clue? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219
The ruffle looks to me like an early 19th century shirt-frill. Clerical bands are not ruffled - and a cassock is not a shirt but a close-fitting coat with long skirts. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/03/2006 13:38 My immediate take of this pattern item is that the book-holder is meant to be a Cleric and thus gives an illustration for a third class of users for the pattern. It almost looks as if it were a cassock of some style,,,even with the fallen lace band. kathleen __ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Princess Elizabeth sleeves
Does anyone have a draft of the undersleeves for the pink/orange Princess Elizabeth dress. I've search the Internet and asked everyone I can find. I have the over sleeve but not the under sleeve that is rounded shape. Becky ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: communication (was Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 269)
Message: 2 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 09:33:59 -0800 From: Lavolta Press Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 269 Most of what I said was merely supporting statements for my main point, which I must not have made very clear...you can't expect or force others to live and operate by the same standards you hold yourself to. Having said all that--I only write to spec if you pay me. And you couldn't possibly pay me enough to use any emoticon, or to say never say never or some of the other pat phrases I see. I suppose I can't expect anyone else to write to my specs (as above). But I also have the right to say things the way I think is best. I am glad that you recognize this. It is very much a manner of communicating based on where you came from and how you were raised. For an example, my mother-in-law's use of y'all, constant spewing of malapropisms, and mispronounciation of simple words, i.e. Lie-berry, Walmark, drive me up a wall, but I don't take umbrage or try to hold her up to the standards of gramar and speech that I was raised with and still use. It is just where she comes from. In a social group you accept one another's differences with a smile. Communicating in the manner of this list leaves out the standard communication tools we have when speaking with someone in person or even on the phone. They are just words on a screen and not tempered by someone's tone of voice. So is every written communication, back to the days of clay tablets. Email is not new in that respect. It's just a letter. In basic truth, yes. But I still hold to my original comment that the nature of email, especially mailing lists such as this are not the same. The rapid nature of this written communication tool allows for virtually an immediate response, and so can allow for an absence of forethought before replying. If misunderstood, it is very simple to quickly provide more information, unlike traditional letter writing. People's expertise can, and should, be judged on what they say about any given subject at that given time. Not on whether they explicitly say I am an expert or I am not an expert. Whether the person thinks they are an expert or not is irrelevant, as is whether their friends think so. Also as I stated before, on a mailing list such as this it is more likely for one to be communicating with others that are unknown, or not known well, but not with the same protocols as when writing a business communication. This provides greater opportunity for misunderstanding or misinterpretation. To state 'in my opinion' or 'from what I have found' tells people that do not know me that I do not claim to have a huge well of knowledge on the subject. (There are subjects other than costuming in which I would not preface a comment that way, not that I think I am an expert there but do have years of experience and study others may not.) In my opinion may also be a defensive mechanism for some. As you commented on the nasty nature of most groups you have found on the internet, so many are willing to 'flame' another person with whom they disagree, rather than to engage in a discussion of opinions. Making an apology in advance of a opinion might be an attempt by some to disarm the person or persons most likely to want to engage in an argument rather than a beneficial discussion of thoughts and ideas. But I do agree that there are many women in general who are not as forthright nor display as high a degree of confidence as they should or could. As for using 'in my opinion' to preface a comment - personally, I am no expert, and based on what little research I have done any comments I have are merely an opinion based on that research. I know this. By saying 'in my opinion', I am stating in a short addenda This is what I think based on what I have learned so far. If anyone has more information I would love to hear it. Then it is up to me to accept any other information tossed my way. It also says I am not claiming to be an expert. I think this is a generally accepted interpretation of such comments. And of course, in a public group other people are likely to respond to whatever you have said. You don't need to explicitly give them the right to do so. You also don't need to accept everything everyone else says in the sense of agreeing with it. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Annette M - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] simplicity
Apparently, here in England, a shirt like this is sold as a poet shirt. (Not sure which one this refers to, although I think maybe bottom left - was talking to someone at the weekend about this pattern but as I wasn't planning on buying, didn't register all of the info!) I think as the shirt you refer to has a black stock it is likely to be that loose period Regency meaning anything from late 18th to mid 1840's, according to some descriptions I've read. Suzi Hi Suzi, Actually it could also be a broad black silk ribbon tied round the neck with a bow, and attached to the wigbag in the back. That was high fashion in 1730 Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] 265: To dye for: Poison: Paris green
I don't know how true this is but, back when I was in college as a theatre major, we used to make set pieces (boulders, stone facings, etc.) by hitting it with a blowtorch. Then, we were told that arsenic is in styrofoam, which is released when it is burned, so we burn in a well vented area (outside). It seems that arsenic does not leave your system. Once it is there it is there. Too much arsenic makes for unhappy campers...or set builders. Monica Spence -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of E House Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:18 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] 265: To dye for: Poison: Paris green - Original Message - From: Leslie Mundy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yes, there was/is a poison pigment made from arsenic that was used extensively in wallpaper in the 1800's. This is just scuttlebutt, but I've heard that arsenic in small quantities was used as a cosmetic aid until the early 20thC--apparently small amounts improve the skin and hair's appearance, and make the pupils of one's eyes widen creating the effect of larger eyes. (That last might have been belladonna; going on memory here.) In other words, maybe they were a little more willing to be slowly poisoned by arsenic if it made them look good than we are be in the days of safe(ish) OTC cosmetics. We actually need a small amount of arsenic in our diet for health, anyway, though I expect that these pigments exceeded that amount. -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219
My apologies. I meant Cotta. I have seen some clerical formal garments that have the lace ruffle. The sleeve style is what struck me as being significant. The Presbyterian collar (also Methodist?) is the collar of which you spoke, I believe. Kathleen - Original Message - From: Kate M Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:19 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219 The ruffle looks to me like an early 19th century shirt-frill. Clerical bands are not ruffled - and a cassock is not a shirt but a close-fitting coat with long skirts. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/03/2006 13:38 My immediate take of this pattern item is that the book-holder is meant to be a Cleric and thus gives an illustration for a third class of users for the pattern. It almost looks as if it were a cassock of some style,,,even with the fallen lace band. kathleen __ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] simplicity
At 13:49 21/03/2006, you wrote: Apparently, here in England, a shirt like this is sold as a poet shirt. (Not sure which one this refers to, although I think maybe bottom left - was talking to someone at the weekend about this pattern but as I wasn't planning on buying, didn't register all of the info!) I think as the shirt you refer to has a black stock it is likely to be that loose period Regency meaning anything from late 18th to mid 1840's, according to some descriptions I've read. Suzi Hi Suzi, Actually it could also be a broad black silk ribbon tied round the neck with a bow, and attached to the wigbag in the back. That was high fashion in 1730 Bjarne I don't think so Bjarne - I have pictures of that kind of ribbon and it is nowhere near that deep. It may be meant to be that kind, but it looks far more like a stock, like I saw at Bath, to me. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: this list
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:48:13 -0700 From: WickedFrau Subject: Re: [h-cost] this list Hi Julie, you can post pictures here if you like. You can create a new ablum. I sure wish someone would use it! I'll be attending Robin's lectures in Portland this weekend. With her permission I could post some pics? (I'm assuming she'll have a few examples to go with her topics) And of course, when the wedding costumes are all done I'll want to share, but that will have to wait til after June. http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=hcostume The userid is: indra2006 Sg Julie wrote: Maybe I'm just too used to the Yahoo groups, but does this list have a files, photos links section? Julie Annette M - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] simplicity
Hi Suzi, Yes sorry you are right. It is a stock. I looked at the painting by de Troy (The declaration of Love) where the gentlemens black ribbon is quite wide. I also think in genneral with this shirt pattern, that you will need to ajust the collar to your period. The collars would not be that high, when wearing early 1700 shirt. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] simplicity At 13:49 21/03/2006, you wrote: Apparently, here in England, a shirt like this is sold as a poet shirt. (Not sure which one this refers to, although I think maybe bottom left - was talking to someone at the weekend about this pattern but as I wasn't planning on buying, didn't register all of the info!) I think as the shirt you refer to has a black stock it is likely to be that loose period Regency meaning anything from late 18th to mid 1840's, according to some descriptions I've read. Suzi Hi Suzi, Actually it could also be a broad black silk ribbon tied round the neck with a bow, and attached to the wigbag in the back. That was high fashion in 1730 Bjarne I don't think so Bjarne - I have pictures of that kind of ribbon and it is nowhere near that deep. It may be meant to be that kind, but it looks far more like a stock, like I saw at Bath, to me. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219
Um, has anybody thought about emailing and/or calling SImplicity and asking them what time period they intended for each shirt? Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 265: To dye for: Poison: Paris green
In a message dated 3/21/2006 11:46:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Then, we were told that arsenic is in styrofoam, which is released when it is burned, so we burn in a well vented area (outside). Another urban legend! There is no arsenic in Styrofoam, and no way the carbon compounds in it could turn into arsenic. That doesn't mean there aren't other noxious things being released, though. I believe it is true about arsenic's building up in the system. I remember reading mysteries where the victims were poisoned slowly, over a long period of time with small amounts, and it built up in the hair. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] simplicity
In a message dated 3/21/2006 11:45:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Suzi, Actually it could also be a broad black silk ribbon tied round the neck with a bow, and attached to the wigbag in the back. That was high fashion in 1730 * True true. Except there's no bag or cue [I can't remember or find anywhere the real spelling of cue when it refers to a pony tail] in the picture. It looks very 1820s. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] K of Aragon necklace
I do have a good set of instructions from one of my jewelry making books that explains how this style of chain can be made, if anyone is interested. Roscelin Going back into blankets to beat of the flu sniffle - Original Message - From: klh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 3:51 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] K of Aragon necklace It's difficult to see the chain's design clearly in that portrait, but it appears reminiscent of a Byzantine chain link style. Talia -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of E House Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 2:08 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] K of Aragon necklace A year or so ago, someone mentioned a modern name for a style of chain necklace that looked similar to the longer one K of A wears in this portrait: http://englishhistory.net/tudor/monarchs/aragon.html Does anyone remember what that name was? The modern version wasn't exactly like the one in the portrait, but it was definitely similar. -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.5/284 - Release Date: 3/17/2006 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um, has anybody thought about emailing and/or calling SImplicity and asking them what time period they intended for each shirt? Ok, I looked at the designer's name (it's Andrea Schewe) and asked. the response on it is that it's essentially designed for the mass market, not an exact repro . The basic shapes are more closely patterned after a late 18C, early 19C than the McCall's similar pattern. The shoulders are sloped instead of putting in the little square gusset near the neck. There are 2 sleeves. One that has the underarm gusset and a larger more dramatic sleeve with the gusset worked in and elastic at the wrist. the kind of stock thing, was put in to add costuming interest. and it's aimed at the genreal market for anyone to make rather than the re-enactor market (that's Martha McCain's area). Hope this helps. -Judy Mitchell ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Simplicity 4219
Thanks Judy! I guess that answers that question. :) Dawn Judy Mitchell wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Um, has anybody thought about emailing and/or calling SImplicity and asking them what time period they intended for each shirt? Ok, I looked at the designer's name (it's Andrea Schewe) and asked. the response on it is that it's essentially designed for the mass market, not an exact repro . The basic shapes are more closely patterned after a late 18C, early 19C than the McCall's similar pattern. The shoulders are sloped instead of putting in the little square gusset near the neck. There are 2 sleeves. One that has the underarm gusset and a larger more dramatic sleeve with the gusset worked in and elastic at the wrist. the kind of stock thing, was put in to add costuming interest. and it's aimed at the genreal market for anyone to make rather than the re-enactor market (that's Martha McCain's area). Hope this helps. -Judy Mitchell ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Bjarne
Bjarne, What is the link to you website again. I have somebody I would like to show your work to. Tani ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth sleeves
Try finding a copy of Jean Hunnisett's Period Costume for Stage and Screen-1500-1800 Inside is not only a scale pattern of the oversleeve(cut on the bias), but two variations of the undersleeve as well. The so-called Jane Grey sleeve, based on a portrait of Jane Grey, recently reidentified as Queen Catheryn Parr, is just about identical to the Princess Elizabeth portrait. Hope this helps. Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Becky Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:27 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth sleeves Does anyone have a draft of the undersleeves for the pink/orange Princess Elizabeth dress. I've search the Internet and asked everyone I can find. I have the over sleeve but not the under sleeve that is rounded shape. Becky ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Bjarne
Hi, My links are below: Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:08 PM Subject: [h-cost] Bjarne Bjarne, What is the link to you website again. I have somebody I would like to show your work to. Tani ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] tangled garden
Hi, I am going to make a friend an embroidered mid 18th century jacket with a front closed lace over stomacher version. The embroidery is going to be like the sleave of a mantua in Costume in Detail A tangled garden of chenille threads My problem is that i have to use huge amounts of silk chenille threads, i have plenty undyed. So how do i get a dye, that will give me a nice dark cherry red? And a moss green? Anyone tryed these collours? Perhaps Dharma Trading have, i should have looked before asking! sorry Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth sleeves
I have seen people measure wrist to crook of arm, double that and measure and cut a circle out, then fold in half making a half circle, then cut the half circle in half and then you have two sleeves. This pattern seems to work but I my self have not made these. Try this if you can't find any other pattern for them. De -Original Message- Does anyone have a draft of the undersleeves for the pink/orange Princess Elizabeth dress. I've search the Internet and asked everyone I can find. I have the over sleeve but not the under sleeve that is rounded shape. Becky ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: this list
Hello, I will be at the lectures, also. Yeah! Althea On Mar 21, 2006, at 8:51 AM, Kahlara wrote: Message: 9 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:48:13 -0700 From: WickedFrau Subject: Re: [h-cost] this list Hi Julie, you can post pictures here if you like. You can create a new ablum. I sure wish someone would use it! I'll be attending Robin's lectures in Portland this weekend. With her permission I could post some pics? (I'm assuming she'll have a few examples to go with her topics) And of course, when the wedding costumes are all done I'll want to share, but that will have to wait til after June. http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?username=hcostume The userid is: indra2006 Sg Julie wrote: Maybe I'm just too used to the Yahoo groups, but does this list have a files, photos links section? Julie Annette M - Yahoo! Mail Use Photomail to share photos without annoying attachments. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Althea Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ignorant themselves of the forces of nature and wanting to have company in their ignorance, they don't want people to look into anything; they want us to believe like peasants and not ask the reasons behind things. William of Conches, 12th century ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth sleeves
I have ordered that book but it has not arrived yet. YET!!! I'm still waiting and waiting. I wish it would get here so I can stay working on the costume. I've heard it was a good book and ordered it. If I'm going to be creating costumes from this era, I' need all the documentation I can get. I have both Arnold books but nothing on these sleeves. I borrowed the QE1Unlocked. It was a great book for the details but nothing on these sleeves. I'm researching it as best I can. Thanks for all the help form the list members. - Original Message - From: Abel, Cynthia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 2:09 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth sleeves Try finding a copy of Jean Hunnisett's Period Costume for Stage and Screen-1500-1800 Inside is not only a scale pattern of the oversleeve(cut on the bias), but two variations of the undersleeve as well. The so-called Jane Grey sleeve, based on a portrait of Jane Grey, recently reidentified as Queen Catheryn Parr, is just about identical to the Princess Elizabeth portrait. Hope this helps. Cindy Abel -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Becky Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 10:27 AM To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Subject: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth sleeves Does anyone have a draft of the undersleeves for the pink/orange Princess Elizabeth dress. I've search the Internet and asked everyone I can find. I have the over sleeve but not the under sleeve that is rounded shape. Becky ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: this list
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Althea Turner wrote: I will be at the lectures, also. Yeah! Sounds like there will be quite a large h-cost contingent! Please introduce yourselves when you have a chance -- but don't be worried if I have trouble connecting names with faces; I'm always bad with that. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] simplicity
The shirt with the black tie looks to be Post Regency (Georgian?) 1820s or 30s. Though I don't believe this is true to the style but designed to look like that type of shirt. De -Original Message- Hi Suzi, Actually it could also be a broad black silk ribbon tied round the neck with a bow, and attached to the wigbag in the back. That was high fashion in 1730 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Book on Lace Question
Does anyone have the book Lace in Fashion: From the 16th to the 20th Century by Pat Earnshaw? I'm looking less to have the book for the lace as the reported two images of 16th/17th century children with dolls. I've seen the cover of the book with one of those images, but I'm looking to find out who the subject/artist of the other image is. thanks alex ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 265: To dye for: Poison: Paris green
if you are looking for good info on poisons the book A Writer's Guide to Poisons, has all the details about how the poison gets into the, body early signs and how the death occurs etc. Silvara [Original Message] From: Kate M Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 3/21/2006 9:41:34 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 265: To dye for: Poison: Paris green Yet in Dorothy Sayers' Strong poison, the murderer can share his victim's poisoned omelette because he has built up an immunity by taking small doses of arsenic over a long period! Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21/03/2006 17:14 I believe it is true about arsenic's building up in the system. I remember reading mysteries where the victims were poisoned slowly, over a long period of time with small amounts, and it built up in the hair. Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: arsenic
It does stay in the body, that's how they test for it. I read a murder mystery once based on the idea that if you feed someone small bits of arsenic every day, they die if you withhold it! I don't know if that one is true or not. Gail Finke ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
I have it right here, but i cant understand what it is you want? Bjarne - Original Message - From: Alexandria Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:10 PM Subject: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question Does anyone have the book Lace in Fashion: From the 16th to the 20th Century by Pat Earnshaw? I'm looking less to have the book for the lace as the reported two images of 16th/17th century children with dolls. I've seen the cover of the book with one of those images, but I'm looking to find out who the subject/artist of the other image is. thanks alex ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] RE: Regency Dress Closures (was back side lacing)
Thank you all so much for your help - especially Hope for posting all those scans. I think How to Make a Regency Ballgown that Doesn't Look Like a Hippie Prom Dress is almost exactly where my friend is at! And wouldn't you just know it - why can't we see how they fastened these things? Because they hid it from us! Honestly, you'd think people would have a bit of consideration for future historians when they designed these fashions ;-) Jean -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
There are suppose to be two paintings or other type of images of children with fashion dolls of the 16th and 17th century pictured in the book. I am looking to find out who the images are of or who the artists of these images are, to see if they're something I already have, or if I need to get a copy of this book so I can add those to my doll image collection. thanks alex On 3/21/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have it right here, but i cant understand what it is you want? Bjarne - Original Message - From: Alexandria Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:10 PM Subject: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question Does anyone have the book Lace in Fashion: From the 16th to the 20th Century by Pat Earnshaw? I'm looking less to have the book for the lace as the reported two images of 16th/17th century children with dolls. I've seen the cover of the book with one of those images, but I'm looking to find out who the subject/artist of the other image is. thanks alex ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] 265: To dye for: Poison: Paris green
Arsenic is a natural metalloid and living organisms actually require it. It is present in almost all the drinking water on the planet. Long-term exposure can have serious health side-effects, but arsenic is quickly flushed from the system. Besides the History Magazine article I cited before (http://www.history-magazine.com/arsenic.html) arsenic has also been used through the ages, notably by horse traders, to fatten aged and scrawney animals for sale. Arsenic was introduced into the animals diet gradually over a number of weeks, causing them to seem to put on flesh. Withdrawing the arsenic quickly usually resulted in death. Medicinally, one of the best-known arsenic preparations is Fowler's Solution, which was used beginning in the 19th century to treat skin diseases, syphilis, digestive problems and other internal ailments. Another, melarsaprol, was prescribed to treat African sleeping sickness. Today we use arsenic in making pressure treated lumber-- which is why it should never be used indoors, or burned. Further reading about arsenic: http://www.dartmouth.edu/~toxmetal/TXQAas.shtml Here's a story-- and it IS a story only-- about why the English nobility had white hair and why modern judges wear white wigs: http://www.chrononhotonthologos.com/lawnotes/arsenic.htm --Leslie Leslie Mundy, DCC Office Hours: M-W-F Noon-5:00 John Carter Brown Library, Box 1894, Brown University Providence, RI Just think... Somewhere a butterfly, dreaming that it is Chuang Chou, flutters its wings and creates a distant hurricane. http://NewMoon2000.tripod.com/oneway/indexnavigator.html __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: arsenic
I've read this also in a novel. Apparently in the mid to late 1800's the arsenic was considered good for you, in those small amounts. A woman murdered her husband by withholding it from her husband. Same book also mentioned that it was used in perserving bodies during the American civil war era, and that the arsenic could leech from those bodies into the ground, to the well near by and thereby poisoning someone who drank said water a century later. alex On 3/21/06, Gail Scott Finke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does stay in the body, that's how they test for it. I read a murder mystery once based on the idea that if you feed someone small bits of arsenic every day, they die if you withhold it! I don't know if that one is true or not. Gail Finke ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] RE: Regency Dress Closures (was back side lacing)
In a message dated 3/21/2006 3:36:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Because they hid it from us! Honestly, you'd think people would have a bit of consideration for future historians when they designed these fashions ;-) There are a couple of fashion plates that show lacing up the back. Ann ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Elizabethan doublets, hooks and eyes at waist
Well, I'm constructing one, and am almost at the point where I have to decide what to do about lacing the doublet to the waistband of the nethergarment. (petticoat, venetians) The style I am working on has eyelets right through the skirts to point the two garments together. I have seen hooks and eyes being used too. The thing is, a friend of mine and I are wondering why have hooks and eyes on a lacing strip that already has eyelets worked on it. See figure 152 page 24 of Janet Arnold's patterns of fashion. It says Metal eye stitched to lacing strip inside waist od doublet in fig 146. A selvage cut from the satin is used to neaten the seam just above the eyelet holes. Hooks and eye are the new method of supporting the breeches and soon replace points. Why would the tailor use both? Maybe because the doublet was worn with a new pair of breeches? I'd appreciate any comment on this, I am curious to hear your ideas. Kelly ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Elizabethan doublets, hooks and eyes at waist
At 21:09 21/03/2006, you wrote: Well, I'm constructing one, and am almost at the point where I have to decide what to do about lacing the doublet to the waistband of the nethergarment. (petticoat, venetians) The style I am working on has eyelets right through the skirts to point the two garments together. I have seen hooks and eyes being used too. The thing is, a friend of mine and I are wondering why have hooks and eyes on a lacing strip that already has eyelets worked on it. See figure 152 page 24 of Janet Arnold's patterns of fashion. It says Metal eye stitched to lacing strip inside waist od doublet in fig 146. A selvage cut from the satin is used to neaten the seam just above the eyelet holes. Hooks and eye are the new method of supporting the breeches and soon replace points. Why would the tailor use both? Maybe because the doublet was worn with a new pair of breeches? I'd appreciate any comment on this, I am curious to hear your ideas. It could be that the hook and eye were added by the tailor at a later date. We cannot know whether they were used before, after, or with the eyelet holes. Possible conversation could go something like I'm not sure I trust those newfangled hooks and eyes. Maybe you could try with just a pair for now, and if I like them, you can put a set on my next suit. Had a similar thing happen to me with customers! Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth sleeves
- Original Message - From: Becky [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: h-costume@mail.indra.com Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 3:27 AM Subject: [h-cost] Princess Elizabeth sleeves Does anyone have a draft of the undersleeves for the pink/orange Princess Elizabeth dress. I've search the Internet and asked everyone I can find. I have the over sleeve but not the under sleeve that is rounded shape. Becky ___ Try this pattern http://photos.ladybrooke.com/sca/images/velvettudorgown/sleevepattern.jpg it's almost the same as Jean Hunnisett's pattern except that instead of the line from point F to point F going straight across there is an upward curve on the outside edges which means that it is longer over the outside of your elbow than the inside, giving you room to move but still preventing a gap between your undersleeve and your outer sleeve. HTH Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/e_walpole/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:41:02 +, Caroline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is great news. I hope there will be a reasonable amount of it in English. There will be english summaries. The book itself will be in norwegian and swedish according to Arne Emil Christensen. Gunvor -- Jeg har sagt ja og nei og DA får du lov Anders (nesten 4 år) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
That will be plate 127. All three childrean wear elaborate clothes, the boy and elder girl with a suggestion of a farthingale. Their varying collar shapes, and upright cuffs, are edged with bobbin lace imitating punto in aria. All three have broad shoe roses, and their sashes are deeply fringed with gold lace. The boy wears a doublet, not a bodice, with his skirt, and he carries a sword. The youngest child´s gocart stands at the side, while her sister holds her leading strings. The painting is dated 161-, entitled James I familey´, and the ages of the children given as 5, 2, 4. The dates of birth of James´s three eldest - Henry, Elizabeth and Margaret, born in 1594, 1596 and 1598 respectively - make1600 or 1601 a likely year for the painting, Robert Peake. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Alexandria Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question There are suppose to be two paintings or other type of images of children with fashion dolls of the 16th and 17th century pictured in the book. I am looking to find out who the images are of or who the artists of these images are, to see if they're something I already have, or if I need to get a copy of this book so I can add those to my doll image collection. thanks alex On 3/21/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have it right here, but i cant understand what it is you want? Bjarne - Original Message - From: Alexandria Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:10 PM Subject: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question Does anyone have the book Lace in Fashion: From the 16th to the 20th Century by Pat Earnshaw? I'm looking less to have the book for the lace as the reported two images of 16th/17th century children with dolls. I've seen the cover of the book with one of those images, but I'm looking to find out who the subject/artist of the other image is. thanks alex ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Re: Book on Lace Question
Alex, I'd love to see your historical doll images! Would you be so kind as to share them? Tea Rose Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:45:49 -0600 From: Alexandria Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question I am looking to find out who the images are of or who the artists of these images are, to see if they're something I already have, or if I need to get a copy of this book so I can add those to my doll image collection. thanks alex ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Book on Lace Question
I'd be pleased to, but I don't have my own page yet and what I have isn't quite ready for one either. I have posted the majority of my image collection on the Yahoo group Miniature Costumers Guild in the photo section under Alexandria - 16th C Doll art and then there's the Alexandria - 16th C Dolls Artifacts if you're interested. alex On 3/21/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alex, I'd love to see your historical doll images! Would you be so kind as to share them? Tea Rose Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 14:45:49 -0600 From: Alexandria Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question I am looking to find out who the images are of or who the artists of these images are, to see if they're something I already have, or if I need to get a copy of this book so I can add those to my doll image collection. thanks alex ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] RE: h-costume Digest, Vol 5, Issue 273
I love the Margot Leadbetter outfit! And given your host of piracy pages, I feel compelled to direct you to venganza.org, where they are founding a new religion partially based on the theory that global warming is directly linked to a drop in the number of pirates (they have a graph and everything). And - possibly one of my favourite jokes of all time - the pirate keyboard (which I'm sure you've seen before): http://www.studio2f.com/misc/images/corsair-thumb.jpg Kate (new-ish member, based in Kent - doh!) Message: 13 Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 23:32:30 + From: Nicole Kipar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Costumers in Edinburgh? To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Thank you ever so much for your kind words, Bjarne, Saragrace and Jean. :-) I do have a little bit to show, even though I didn't have much time for website updates. That was an understatement, I had no time. Here are some of my latest costumes evening outfits: http://www.kipar.org/salacious-historian/sewingprojects.html Nicole If you think education is expensive, try ignorance. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Book on Lace Question
Quoting Alexandria Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd be pleased to, but I don't have my own page yet and what I have isn't quite ready for one either. I have posted the majority of my image collection on the Yahoo group Miniature Costumers Guild in the photo section under Alexandria - 16th C Doll art and then there's the Alexandria - 16th C Dolls Artifacts if you're interested. Oh, *wow* You have some Way Cool stuff there! (and I've actually seen some of it before!) Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
Thank you, now to see if I can find an online image somewhere as it doesn't sound like something that I have alex On 3/21/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That will be plate 127. All three childrean wear elaborate clothes, the boy and elder girl with a suggestion of a farthingale. Their varying collar shapes, and upright cuffs, are edged with bobbin lace imitating punto in aria. All three have broad shoe roses, and their sashes are deeply fringed with gold lace. The boy wears a doublet, not a bodice, with his skirt, and he carries a sword. The youngest child´s gocart stands at the side, while her sister holds her leading strings. The painting is dated 161-, entitled James I familey´, and the ages of the children given as 5, 2, 4. The dates of birth of James´s three eldest - Henry, Elizabeth and Margaret, born in 1594, 1596 and 1598 respectively - make1600 or 1601 a likely year for the painting, Robert Peake. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Alexandria Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question There are suppose to be two paintings or other type of images of children with fashion dolls of the 16th and 17th century pictured in the book. I am looking to find out who the images are of or who the artists of these images are, to see if they're something I already have, or if I need to get a copy of this book so I can add those to my doll image collection. thanks alex On 3/21/06, Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have it right here, but i cant understand what it is you want? Bjarne - Original Message - From: Alexandria Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:10 PM Subject: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question Does anyone have the book Lace in Fashion: From the 16th to the 20th Century by Pat Earnshaw? I'm looking less to have the book for the lace as the reported two images of 16th/17th century children with dolls. I've seen the cover of the book with one of those images, but I'm looking to find out who the subject/artist of the other image is. thanks alex ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: arsenic
There is a reasonably new book called The Elements of Murder, A History of Poison by John Emsley, ISBN: 0-19-280599-1. I heard an interview with the author on the radio last year and was intrigued enough to track down a copy. I haven't had time to read it yet. The interview did cover some of the uses of asesnic in history. Not only was it used for coloring paper and fabric, but it was also used in a food coloring. The book explores the history of certain elements and their toxic effects on the body. Costume content: Hatters went mad because of mercury poisoning. Jeanine Alexandria Doyle wrote: I've read this also in a novel. Apparently in the mid to late 1800's the arsenic was considered good for you, in those small amounts. A woman murdered her husband by withholding it from her husband. Same book also mentioned that it was used in perserving bodies during the American civil war era, and that the arsenic could leech from those bodies into the ground, to the well near by and thereby poisoning someone who drank said water a century later. alex On 3/21/06, Gail Scott Finke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It does stay in the body, that's how they test for it. I read a murder mystery once based on the idea that if you feed someone small bits of arsenic every day, they die if you withhold it! I don't know if that one is true or not. Gail Finke ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
Quoting Alexandria Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thank you, now to see if I can find an online image somewhere as it doesn't sound like something that I have I got this one to show up that sounds like it might be it, but it's tiny. Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lace Question
Quoting Susan B. Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Quoting Alexandria Doyle [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thank you, now to see if I can find an online image somewhere as it doesn't sound like something that I have I got this one to show up that sounds like it might be it, but it's tiny. http://www.elalmanaque.com/infantil/images/Retratoninasp.jpg And of course, if would have helped if I'd uncluded the URL! Susan - Susan Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] University of Tennessee Department of Ecology and Evolutionary Biology http://www.goldsword.com/sfarmer/Trillium/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: this list
I think we need to all wear a red H or something to identify the H-Costumers at the Lectures. Sounds like a lot of us will be there Wanda/Regina (SCA) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Althea Turner Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:49 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: this list Hello, I will be at the lectures, also. Yeah! Althea ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: this list
On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Wanda Pease wrote: I think we need to all wear a red H or something to identify the H-Costumers at the Lectures. Sounds like a lot of us will be there. I deputize you to bring some stickers or something for the h-cost people ;-) I have a class list, but it's all SCA names! So there are probably people on it that I know from h-cost, but I'm not making the connection. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles
On Tuesday 21 March 2006 4:42 pm, G.Vinje wrote: On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 07:41:02 +, Caroline [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That is great news. I hope there will be a reasonable amount of it in English. There will be english summaries. The book itself will be in norwegian and swedish according to Arne Emil Christensen. English summaries would do for me. I recently bought a book on medieval Lithuanian costume, written in Lithuanian with English summaries, and learned an amazing amount from it. The price of the Oseberg textiles book is a factor though. I love books but I've never spent more than $100 USD for one! Guess I'll have to save up. :-) Thanks, Gunvor, for the information. -- Cathy Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish. --General Fillmore (from The Tick, episode 2) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: this list
Of course, the H would be appliquéd, embroidered, beaded and absolutely gorgeous! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wanda Pease Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:30 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: this list I think we need to all wear a red H or something to identify the H-Costumers at the Lectures. Sounds like a lot of us will be there Wanda/Regina (SCA) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Althea Turner Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 11:49 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] Re: this list Hello, I will be at the lectures, also. Yeah! Althea ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: this list
Robin, Regina Romsey is Wanda Pease. I bought the Inventories of Henry VIII from you. I intend to bring it AND your book for you to sign over to me! Wanda/Regina Romsey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 6:02 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: this list On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Wanda Pease wrote: I think we need to all wear a red H or something to identify the H-Costumers at the Lectures. Sounds like a lot of us will be there. I deputize you to bring some stickers or something for the h-cost people ;-) I have a class list, but it's all SCA names! So there are probably people on it that I know from h-cost, but I'm not making the connection. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Book on Lithuanian Costume? was: Oseberg textiles
Book Tease A book on Lithuanian Costume? Name? ISBN? Where? How Much...? Inquiring Bookoholics want to know! Wanda/Regina English summaries would do for me. I recently bought a book on medieval Lithuanian costume, written in Lithuanian with English summaries, and learned an amazing amount from it. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Re: this list
Even put on a nice Red Hat for us Holders of that Honor :-) Wanda/Regina Romsey Of course, the H would be appliquéd, embroidered, beaded and absolutely gorgeous! I think we need to all wear a red H or something to identify the H-Costumers at the Lectures. Sounds like a lot of us will be there Wanda/Regina (SCA) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Book on Lithuanian Costume? was: Oseberg textiles
I hadn't been following the Oseberg topic and missed this. Who has a Lithuania costume book and how can I get a copy? De -Original Message- Book Tease A book on Lithuanian Costume? Name? ISBN? Where? How Much...? Inquiring Bookoholics want to know! Wanda/Regina English summaries would do for me. I recently bought a book on medieval Lithuanian costume, written in Lithuanian with English summaries, and learned an amazing amount from it. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles
English summaries would do for me. I recently bought a book on medieval Lithuanian costume, written in Lithuanian with English summaries, and learned an amazing amount from it. What is the title of the Lithuanian book? The price of the Oseberg textiles book is a factor though. I love books but I've never spent more than $100 USD for one! Guess I'll have to save up. Fred Struthers said he'd try to get me a copy, I imagine he'd stock it if enough people were interested. No deep discounts but at least he speaks English. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lithuanian Costume? was: Oseberg textiles
On Tuesday 21 March 2006 9:00 pm, you wrote: Book Tease A book on Lithuanian Costume? Name? ISBN? Where? How Much...? Inquiring Bookoholics want to know! This is *early* Lithuanian costume, mind. First through 16th centuries--before any of the folk costumes evolved. On the other hand, the book has lots of decent black and white photos of archaeological finds If you're still interested, here's the relevant information. (Apologies in advance because I can't type the proper diacritical marks here.) TITLE: Senoves Lietuviu Drabuziai Ir Ju Papuosalai AUTHOR: Regina Volkaite-Kulikauskiene PUBLISHER: Lietuvos Istorijos Institutas DATE: 1997 ISBN: 9986-780-14-1 I bought my copy from a mail order seller named Fred Struthers. I don't remember the price but it was somewhere close to $40 USD. He sells an ever-changing stock of costume/textile/material culture-related books. His catalog is called Books on Cloth and it comes out 2-4 times a year. I haven't seen this book in his most recent catalog (I bought mine about a year ago). (He sells other nifty books, though.) His email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] His mailing address is Fred Struthers Books on Cloth P.O. Box 2706 Fort Bragg, CA 95437 He used to have a website, but there's no URL in the current catalog. Anyway, it was an information-only site--you couldn't place orders through it. The paper catalog is the thing to get if you want to buy from him, but I suppose you could always send him email and find out if he has anything in stock that you're interested in. If you place a mail order with him, definitely email him first so that he'll hold the book for you. His catalog claims that he now takes PayPal. Good luck! -- Cathy Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish. --General Fillmore (from The Tick, episode 2) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Book on Lithuanian Costume? was: Oseberg textiles
I bought my copy from a mail order seller named Fred Struthers. I haven't seen this book in his most recent catalog (I bought mine about a year ago). (He sells other nifty books, though.) His email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] His mailing address is Fred Struthers Books on Cloth P.O. Box 2706 Fort Bragg, CA 95437 He used to have a website, but there's no URL in the current catalog. His website is http://www.rlshep.com/HTML/fred.htm. Anyway, it was an information-only site--you couldn't place orders through it. The paper catalog is the thing to get if you want to buy from him, but I suppose you could always send him email and find out if he has anything in stock that you're interested in. Fred Struthers (and Robb Shep, the publishing arm of the business) are old friends and colleagues of mine. What Fred told me is, that he used to publish catalogs with a huge number of listings, but people were not ordering as much from the end of the catalogs. It seemed like there were only so many listings they wanted to read through before their eyes glazed over. So Fred decided that it might be better to publish smaller catalogs, but more often, that contain only a selection of the books he has in stock; and then publish the next catalog with a different selection. In other words, it pays to ask Fred if he has a book that you want in stock, even if it is not in the current catalog. I buy most of my new books that were published outside the US from Fred. He's in the US, he speaks English, there are no shipping delays, and I can order several foreign books, published in several different countries, at one time. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] re: extant inventories/Mary Queen of Scots
Going back through my old messages I found this one. I'm not sure if it was mentioned by the thread, but the book is available on-line through the Google Book search project. http://books.google.com/books?id=89IF87AU-MkCvid=OCLC04062627dq=Bannatyne+ Clubie=UTF-8jtp=1 Not as good as holding the original in your hand, but much cheaper, particularly if you don't read French :-) Wanda Pease Robertson, J. Inventaires de la Royne Descosse douairiere de France: catalogues of the jewels, dresses, furniture, books, and paintings of Mary Queen of Scots : 1556-1569. Edinburgh: Bannatyne Club, 1863. I'm trying to ILL it, but it's fairly rare. Good luck, Melanie Schuessler ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] arsenic
I'm not sure if this was presented as fact or if it's one of those urban legends, but I read that decades after his death, some of Napoleon's hair showed up at auction and was tested for various things. It showed that he had ingested arsenic on an ongoing basis. So was someone trying to poison him or was he using unsafe cosmetics of the time? Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: Oseberg textiles
On Tuesday 21 March 2006 9:33 pm, Lavolta Press wrote: English summaries would do for me. I recently bought a book on medieval Lithuanian costume, written in Lithuanian with English summaries, and learned an amazing amount from it. What is the title of the Lithuanian book? It was in my reply to Wanda. Here's all information again, in case you'd missed my response: TITLE: Senoves Lietuviu Drabuziai Ir Ju Papuosalai AUTHOR: Regina Volkaite-Kulikauskiene PUBLISHER: Lietuvos Istorijos Institutas DATE: 1997 ISBN: 9986-780-14-1 [I said:] The price of the Oseberg textiles book is a factor though. I love books but I've never spent more than $100 USD for one! Guess I'll have to save up. Fred Struthers said he'd try to get me a copy, I imagine he'd stock it if enough people were interested. No deep discounts but at least he speaks English. So do many Scandanavians. I ordered a Swedish pamphlet recently from a web-based business that serves the reenactor market. We communicated by email, and their English was just fine. -- Cathy Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm starting to like the cut of this man's gibberish. --General Fillmore (from The Tick, episode 2) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: this list
And some of us will be in garb, while others won't. Stickers for the whole lot Good Plan. :-) Robin, we are so looking forward to your visit this weekend--it's all we've been talking about! :D Safe journeys, and see you soon. Arlys On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 20:01:54 -0600 (CST) Robin Netherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Wanda Pease wrote: I think we need to all wear a red H or something to identify the H-Costumers at the Lectures. Sounds like a lot of us will be there. I deputize you to bring some stickers or something for the h-cost people ;-) I have a class list, but it's all SCA names! So there are probably people on it that I know from h-cost, but I'm not making the connection. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Re: this list
I don't use my modern name on this list. ;) Arlys On Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:50:13 -0800 Wanda Pease [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Robin, Regina Romsey is Wanda Pease. I bought the Inventories of Henry VIII from you. I intend to bring it AND your book for you to sign over to me! Wanda/Regina Romsey -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robin Netherton Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2006 6:02 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: RE: [h-cost] Re: this list On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Wanda Pease wrote: I think we need to all wear a red H or something to identify the H-Costumers at the Lectures. Sounds like a lot of us will be there. I deputize you to bring some stickers or something for the h-cost people ;-) I have a class list, but it's all SCA names! So there are probably people on it that I know from h-cost, but I'm not making the connection. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Mary QoS Inventory
Never Mind. I found the Dictionary of the Scots Language on-line and it's vasken or petticoat. It even uses this very entry as an example. I think I'm going to have fun with this one! Wanda Any idea what is being described here: Item ane doublett of blak veluot/ and the vaskene of the same. I've got that we have a black velvet doublett here, but what is a vaskene (long S by the way)? The next article down is: Item ane uther doublett of satin / with the skirt of the same. and is under the title The Quenis Movables (pg 17) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Glove images
http://www.glove.org/embellishers/cuff.asp Several embroiders in the SCA Kingdom of Ansteorra gathered together to create a simple yet very important set of tokens to be given by our Crown to the attending Crowns at Gulf Wars. The results were 12 silk embroidered Kingom Arms on linen cuffs. 9 of which were distributed at the event. 2 will be mailed to the Crowns that sent troops but were unable to attend themselves. The last one will be sent to Glenn Abhann as thier crown has a very unique sized hand and will require a wearable glove that is usable for him. :) Enjoy the pictures. As soon as I get the images of the others I will put them up on this same page. Thanks for the band width and indulgence! Chiara ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
