RE: [h-cost] paillons updated
Good to here! :) De -Original Message- Hi, Remember some time ago i was looking for special flower paillons for my suit? Today i went shopping grosgrain ribbon to a new tricorne i make, and in that shop i found them! They were excactly as i wanted them. Isnt it strange that sometimes things do succed for you? I was unhappy for the ones i had used on the embroidery because they were filligree made, those i found today, looks very like the original ones.. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] white embroidery
Hi, The pillowcase is absolutely lovely, thank you for sharing. Distilled water is the best water to use for washing old textiles but I also would reccomend first talking to a conservator who deals with this sort of work at a museum to see what they would suggest. Sharon ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Celebrating Halloween
I am so excited! We are having our first Halloween contest on The Costume Gallery's Websites. The winners are given a really nice free costume of their choice or a goulish table setting/party pack. Each contestant can earn points that cumulate until Fri. Oct. 13. The prizes are awarded on Oct. 16. I worked really hard to get such good prizes from our sponsor. The daily challenges are really fun to earn points and some educational! Here is the official announcement about the contest: A Halloween Contest at The Costume Gallery Websites: http://www.costumegallery.com/HalloweenContest/ We are thrilled to announce our first Halloween contest! Three people will win the contest. The prizes are: ---Two people will win the costume of their choice from www.SpiritHalloween.com . A value of up to $170 per winner. --- One person will win a 29-piece Goulish Party Pack prize worth $234. This includes everything you see on the table setting on the front webpage of the Contest, except the pumpkins and candles. One raven candle holder is included. Because the majority of this Party Pack is made of ceramics and heavy, it will only be shipped in the U.S. You can see detailed photos of the individual pieces on our Prize webpage. I have seen this party pack in a Spirits retail store and it is so cool! Earn CGpoints to win the contest. The points are cumulative. There are several ways to earn CG Points. See: http://www.costumegallery.com/HalloweenContest/points.htm Please make sure to book this webpage. It is updated daily with another challenge question. Every day through Oct. 13, there will be a different Challenge question. All deal with the Halloween season and costumes. Two challenge questions are on the webpage now. There are also several other ways to earn points listed on the CG Points webpage. Make sure to check them out! You can view the Top Ten Contestants CG Points names daily on the Top Ten Webpage. The top ten contestants' total points are listed for the previous day. http://www.costumegallery.com/HalloweenContest/topten.htm Please feel free to pass this message to your friends or email lists. Good luck with the contest and I hope you have a lot of fun! Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] white embroidery
Just out of curiosity, why can't you get flax lace anymore? Is the thread not available, or is no one making it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery Dear Ruth, Oh i must say that i really dont know. But i would say that it was not the case. My guess is they just picked up a lace for the pillow after it was embroidered. But you must remember they had many different design laces to choose from, in Denmark f. instance, several thousind lacemakers worked in the south of Jutland near Tonder. The lace has yellowed a little by the age, i think it would have ben more white, when new. I have planned to ask at the lace list, wich kind of lace it is, as i really dont have any expertise with 18th century lace. The feel of that linnen lace, makes me cry, because we cant have that kind of bobbin lace thread in flax anymore. The cotton i use, is much more collapsable and needs a little starch, if i want to have that feeling to it. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery The embroidery is exquisite, and I'm thrilled by the way the lace perfectly complements the embroidered motifs. Do you know, would the designer of the embroidery have purposely set out to achieve this effect? --that is, did the selection of the lace precede the designing of the pillowcase? I know you couldn't say for sure of course! but was such a practice customary? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Oct 3, 2006, at 10:22 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, As i promissed yesterday, i wanted to let you se the wonderfull 18th century pillow case i got as a gift: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/pillowcase.htm It needs washing, but ill waite a little with this. Thoaght about using destilled water, and soap flakes. How about ironing after the wash, shouldnt i use a thick towel on the front of the embroidery and iron on the back? As it is the finest linnen you can imagine, i suppose i should be carefull with the ironing... I think i want to frame the pillow case, and hang it where no sun will harm it. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Missing posts
Strangely, it seems to be Bjarne's posts in particular that I'm not receiving. I see replies to messages of his but never get the original message. Very odd. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Looking for a child's tux
A dear young friend of mine would like to be Fred Astaire for Halloween. Christopher believes he needs a tux, or preferably tails, and a top hat. Do any of you Silicon Valley area people know where to find one on the cheap? Christopher is 6 yrs old, but he's tall skinny tap dances just like Fred Astaire. If you see one while cruzing discount shops, used clothing stores or thrift shops give a yell. We'll go have a look. Thanks much! --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Missing posts
Kate, I didn't see that first post either. But that was my first on missing. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com - Original Message - From: Kate M Bunting [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 4:13 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Missing posts Strangely, it seems to be Bjarne's posts in particular that I'm not receiving. I see replies to messages of his but never get the original message. Very odd. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Looking for a child's tux
In a message dated 10/4/2006 6:42:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Christopher believes he needs a tux, or preferably tails, and a top hat. I'm sure you can rent one with advance notice from a formal rental store. 'Course, that wouldn't be cheap! Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] white embroidery
You can certainly get linen lace, and linen threads. It's the *fineness* of the linen threads used then, that can't be duplicated now. In linen. So you've either got to use a thicker linen, or use a fine thread, but in a different fiber/material. Even when using another plant-based fiber (such as the cotton about which Bjarne spoke), the finished product isn't going to be quite the same. *Especially* if you're comparing using something like a cotton thread (cotton has really, really short fibers) with something like a hand-spun, wet-spun linen thread made from line flax (which has fibers many times longer than cotton thread). The two fibers even come from different parts of their respective plants, require different amounts of twist when spinning, different techniques, etc. You can see the difference, somewhat, if you think of the feel of modern cotton fabric and a modern linen fabric of the same weight, even though the linen fabric most likely was *not* woven out of thread made from line flax. --Sue, apparently channeling the spinning part of herself this morning - Original Message - From: Sharon at Collierfam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Historical Costume' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 8:06 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] white embroidery Just out of curiosity, why can't you get flax lace anymore? Is the thread not available, or is no one making it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery Dear Ruth, Oh i must say that i really dont know. But i would say that it was not the case. My guess is they just picked up a lace for the pillow after it was embroidered. But you must remember they had many different design laces to choose from, in Denmark f. instance, several thousind lacemakers worked in the south of Jutland near Tonder. The lace has yellowed a little by the age, i think it would have ben more white, when new. I have planned to ask at the lace list, wich kind of lace it is, as i really dont have any expertise with 18th century lace. The feel of that linnen lace, makes me cry, because we cant have that kind of bobbin lace thread in flax anymore. The cotton i use, is much more collapsable and needs a little starch, if i want to have that feeling to it. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery The embroidery is exquisite, and I'm thrilled by the way the lace perfectly complements the embroidered motifs. Do you know, would the designer of the embroidery have purposely set out to achieve this effect? --that is, did the selection of the lace precede the designing of the pillowcase? I know you couldn't say for sure of course! but was such a practice customary? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Oct 3, 2006, at 10:22 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, As i promissed yesterday, i wanted to let you se the wonderfull 18th century pillow case i got as a gift: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/pillowcase.htm It needs washing, but ill waite a little with this. Thoaght about using destilled water, and soap flakes. How about ironing after the wash, shouldnt i use a thick towel on the front of the embroidery and iron on the back? As it is the finest linnen you can imagine, i suppose i should be carefull with the ironing... I think i want to frame the pillow case, and hang it where no sun will harm it. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] white embroidery
Hi, For such fine laces you need a thread of the size 250- 350. The thinnest you can get these days is 140, wich would be almost doubble as thick as required. All the worlds lacemakers who makes the old laces, needs to use cotton thread because they cant get thin enough flax thread. I have heard some, using polyesther thread, wich i think is chrazy, but you know, world is full of strange people. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Sharon at Collierfam.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Historical Costume' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 4:06 AM Subject: RE: [h-cost] white embroidery Just out of curiosity, why can't you get flax lace anymore? Is the thread not available, or is no one making it? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 1:56 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery Dear Ruth, Oh i must say that i really dont know. But i would say that it was not the case. My guess is they just picked up a lace for the pillow after it was embroidered. But you must remember they had many different design laces to choose from, in Denmark f. instance, several thousind lacemakers worked in the south of Jutland near Tonder. The lace has yellowed a little by the age, i think it would have ben more white, when new. I have planned to ask at the lace list, wich kind of lace it is, as i really dont have any expertise with 18th century lace. The feel of that linnen lace, makes me cry, because we cant have that kind of bobbin lace thread in flax anymore. The cotton i use, is much more collapsable and needs a little starch, if i want to have that feeling to it. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Ruth Anne Baumgartner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery The embroidery is exquisite, and I'm thrilled by the way the lace perfectly complements the embroidered motifs. Do you know, would the designer of the embroidery have purposely set out to achieve this effect? --that is, did the selection of the lace precede the designing of the pillowcase? I know you couldn't say for sure of course! but was such a practice customary? --Ruth Anne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Oct 3, 2006, at 10:22 AM, Bjarne og Leif Drews wrote: Hi, As i promissed yesterday, i wanted to let you se the wonderfull 18th century pillow case i got as a gift: http://www.my-drewscostumes.dk/pillowcase.htm It needs washing, but ill waite a little with this. Thoaght about using destilled water, and soap flakes. How about ironing after the wash, shouldnt i use a thick towel on the front of the embroidery and iron on the back? As it is the finest linnen you can imagine, i suppose i should be carefull with the ironing... I think i want to frame the pillow case, and hang it where no sun will harm it. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] white embroidery
This might be a good time to inquire- what do these numbers mean? I know it is a sizing reference, but how do they apply? Bigger number neams smaller thread, but how much smaller is 80 thread half as thick (diameter only) as 40 thread? Or does a certain length/skein of 80 weigh half as much as the same amount of 40? Is there a handy reference to see/feel the various size categories? Thanks much in advance, Betsy (occasional spinner, but not of linen, yet) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 8:07 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery Hi, For such fine laces you need a thread of the size 250- 350. The thinnest you can get these days is 140, wich would be almost doubble as thick as required. All the worlds lacemakers who makes the old laces, needs to use cotton thread because they cant get thin enough flax thread. I have heard some, using polyesther thread, wich i think is chrazy, but you know, world is full of strange people. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Nylon chiffon
Do you know of a source for nylon (or rayon) chiffon? Vicky www.southerngracedesigns.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Wedding Veil (in U.K only please)
The lady for whom I am making the Victorian dress, which I am rudely calling a tea cosy, has at the last moment decided she needs a wedding veil, but because of all the frou-frou at the neck of the dress, it needs to be short. Shoulder length or chin length would be ideal, and as plain as possible in ivory silk tulle or nylon tulle. I cannot make this for her as I can no longer be neat enough to roll that kind of hem, so it is no use getting a length of tulle, or shortening a ready made one. Can any U.K. lister suggest anywhere I can try I have looked at everything I can see on Google and others, but maybe I am not looking in the right places. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Disappearing mail order place
Does anyone know what became of Harper House? Their link came up as 404. This is too bad, because they had a pretty good selection of patterns. Anyone? Thanks (and hoping this is actually in plain text), Meagn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the new AOL. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, free access to millions of high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and more. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Missing posts
I got the original after the first two replies. I usually get a delayed first posting with Bjarne's posts. I don't know why. De -Original Message- Kate, I didn't see that first post either. But that was my first on missing. Penny Ladnier, - Original Message - Strangely, it seems to be Bjarne's posts in particular that I'm not receiving. I see replies to messages of his but never get the original message. Very odd. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] not in UK but possible idea RE: Wedding Veil (in U.K only please)
If she is trying to be Period/Authentic, majority of the early Victorian veils were hem or chapel length. I have only seen one veil (now 2) that was chin length that did not cover the face. This isn't the one but pretty close. http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/mwebimages/C_T08_MM/full/M83_231_21.jpg If you can find a large enough square of lace that might work with having to hem. Otherwise I vaguely remember hats worn in late Victorian to early Edwardian. Not a lot but not rare. De -Original Message- The lady for whom I am making the Victorian dress, which I am rudely calling a tea cosy, has at the last moment decided she needs a wedding veil, but because of all the frou-frou at the neck of the dress, it needs to be short. Shoulder length or chin length would be ideal, and as plain as possible in ivory silk tulle or nylon tulle. I cannot make this for her as I can no longer be neat enough to roll that kind of hem, so it is no use getting a length of tulle, or shortening a ready made one. Can any U.K. lister suggest anywhere I can try I have looked at everything I can see on Google and others, but maybe I am not looking in the right places. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] not in UK but possible idea RE: Wedding Veil (in U.K only please)
At 18:20 04/10/2006, you wrote: If she is trying to be Period/Authentic, majority of the early Victorian veils were hem or chapel length. I have only seen one veil (now 2) that was chin length that did not cover the face. This isn't the one but pretty close. http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/mwebimages/C_T08_MM/full/M83_231_21.jpg If you can find a large enough square of lace that might work with having to hem. Otherwise I vaguely remember hats worn in late Victorian to early Edwardian. Not a lot but not rare. Thanks but authentic is not the thing - this is a Victorian *based* dress, from a fashion plate, but the accessories, shoes, bridesmaids, and now veil are not, or do not need to be authentic. There is so much around the neckline, like flowers and lace etc. and she doesn't want them covered. It is only the token thing of arriving at the altar with her face covered. Lace here comes in 120 widths, so is far too wide to use unhemmed, which is why I am not suggesting making it myself. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] not in UK but possible idea RE: Wedding Veil (inU.K only please)
Hi Suzi, How about edging the tulle with the dress material, just a thin edge? Bjarne - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] not in UK but possible idea RE: Wedding Veil (inU.K only please) At 18:20 04/10/2006, you wrote: If she is trying to be Period/Authentic, majority of the early Victorian veils were hem or chapel length. I have only seen one veil (now 2) that was chin length that did not cover the face. This isn't the one but pretty close. http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/mwebimages/C_T08_MM/full/M83_231_21.jpg If you can find a large enough square of lace that might work with having to hem. Otherwise I vaguely remember hats worn in late Victorian to early Edwardian. Not a lot but not rare. Thanks but authentic is not the thing - this is a Victorian *based* dress, from a fashion plate, but the accessories, shoes, bridesmaids, and now veil are not, or do not need to be authentic. There is so much around the neckline, like flowers and lace etc. and she doesn't want them covered. It is only the token thing of arriving at the altar with her face covered. Lace here comes in 120 widths, so is far too wide to use unhemmed, which is why I am not suggesting making it myself. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] white embroidery/thread numbers
Hi, I am sorry but i dont have a clou about that. I can tell you that the number 250 linnen thread is comparable to nr 140 egyptian cotton. Most of my pattern books gives the number required for each lace. The eldest laces i can make with my tecknique is Tonder laces, with tulle ground, they started this in the end of 18th century. Most of these are worked with 250 linnen thread, or some wich are finer with 300 - 350. It all depends of the fine tulle ground, the finer it is, the finer thread. But i must admit, it is seldom i sit at my lacepillow these days, embroidery takes up most of my time. I have however started to make silk laces, its easy to get fine threads in silk, and they look and feels better than cotton. The tangled garden- caraco jacket i am making, is going to have sleave frills with a reconstrukted lace i made from Costume in Detail having chenille as a gimp. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Betsy Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Historical Costume' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 3:53 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] white embroidery This might be a good time to inquire- what do these numbers mean? I know it is a sizing reference, but how do they apply? Bigger number neams smaller thread, but how much smaller is 80 thread half as thick (diameter only) as 40 thread? Or does a certain length/skein of 80 weigh half as much as the same amount of 40? Is there a handy reference to see/feel the various size categories? Thanks much in advance, Betsy (occasional spinner, but not of linen, yet) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bjarne og Leif Drews Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 8:07 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery Hi, For such fine laces you need a thread of the size 250- 350. The thinnest you can get these days is 140, wich would be almost doubble as thick as required. All the worlds lacemakers who makes the old laces, needs to use cotton thread because they cant get thin enough flax thread. I have heard some, using polyesther thread, wich i think is chrazy, but you know, world is full of strange people. Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] not in UK but possible idea RE: Wedding Veil (inU.K only please)
At 18:49 04/10/2006, you wrote: Hi Suzi, How about edging the tulle with the dress material, just a thin edge? Bjarne Bjarne - I can't cut tulle evenly enough to make sure the veil is a good shape. (I have problems with my wrist and controlling the scissors when doing really delicate work.) That would be a great idea, if I could do it though. Suzi At 18:20 04/10/2006, you wrote: If she is trying to be Period/Authentic, majority of the early Victorian veils were hem or chapel length. I have only seen one veil (now 2) that was chin length that did not cover the face. This isn't the one but pretty close. http://collectionsonline.lacma.org/mwebimages/C_T08_MM/full/M83_231_21.jpg If you can find a large enough square of lace that might work with having to hem. Otherwise I vaguely remember hats worn in late Victorian to early Edwardian. Not a lot but not rare. Thanks but authentic is not the thing - this is a Victorian *based* dress, from a fashion plate, but the accessories, shoes, bridesmaids, and now veil are not, or do not need to be authentic. There is so much around the neckline, like flowers and lace etc. and she doesn't want them covered. It is only the token thing of arriving at the altar with her face covered. Lace here comes in 120 widths, so is far too wide to use unhemmed, which is why I am not suggesting making it myself. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] not in UK but possible idea RE: Wedding Veil (inU.K only please)
Does she really have to have a face veil? If the neckline is so important and ornate then a face veil would be a distraction. A simple head wreath sounds more appropriate. Maybe telling her that the face veil has pagan origins might dissuade her from a veil (kinding). I wish you luck in finding your hemmer. De -Original Message- Thanks but authentic is not the thing - this is a Victorian *based* dress, from a fashion plate, but the accessories, shoes, bridesmaids, and now veil are not, or do not need to be authentic. There is so much around the neckline, like flowers and lace etc. and she doesn't want them covered. It is only the token thing of arriving at the altar with her face covered. Lace here comes in 120 widths, so is far too wide to use unhemmed, which is why I am not suggesting making it myself. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Finally - the pictures of the military bases are up.
http://www.saragrace.us/METMilBasesPics.htmlhttp://www.saragrace.us/METMilBasesPics.html I finally got a response from the museum (the curator is in Europe - wh!) Here are the pictures. Enjoy! Would love to hear your opinions. I am waiting to hear back from the textile expert in Sweden. He has offered to take a look at the pictures - but said of course it would only be a limited opinion since he could not handle the garment himself. Cheers, Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] not in UK but possible idea RE: Wedding Veil (inU.K only please)
At 19:22 04/10/2006, you wrote: Does she really have to have a face veil? If the neckline is so important and ornate then a face veil would be a distraction. A simple head wreath sounds more appropriate. Maybe telling her that the face veil has pagan origins might dissuade her from a veil (kinding). I wish you luck in finding your hemmer. We have found a veil that she likes and that is not too expensive, thank goodness. The husband-to-be wants the traditional veil, so as she says, she will do it for him - it is not her choice! (or mine!) Suzi -Original Message- Thanks but authentic is not the thing - this is a Victorian *based* dress, from a fashion plate, but the accessories, shoes, bridesmaids, and now veil are not, or do not need to be authentic. There is so much around the neckline, like flowers and lace etc. and she doesn't want them covered. It is only the token thing of arriving at the altar with her face covered. Lace here comes in 120 widths, so is far too wide to use unhemmed, which is why I am not suggesting making it myself. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] not in UK but possible idea RE: Wedding Veil (inU.K only please)
Suzi Clarke wrote: We have found a veil that she likes and that is not too expensive, thank goodness. The husband-to-be wants the traditional veil, so as she says, she will do it for him - it is not her choice! (or mine!) I seem to hear that a lot from brides lately. My husband wanted me to wear a veil too, though I hadn't originally planned on one. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] not in UK but possible idea RE: Wedding Veil(inU.K only please)
Would a rotary cutter help? There are both large and small wheels available. The small ones are only about 1 across and can do fairly intricate work -Brenna - Original Message - From: Suzi Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] not in UK but possible idea RE: Wedding Veil(inU.K only please) snip Bjarne - I can't cut tulle evenly enough to make sure the veil is a good shape. (I have problems with my wrist and controlling the scissors when doing really delicate work.) That would be a great idea, if I could do it though. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Finally - the pictures of the military bases are up.
Hi, These are great pictures, but I haven't been following the thread, so when it said Military Bases I was thinking, you know, building compounds with barracks and hangars and garages full of troops and airplanes and trucks! I am not in 16th C (yet) -- what does it mean to call these garments military bases? Thanks! Lauren On Oct 4, 2006, at 2:55 PM, Saragrace Knauf wrote: http://www.saragrace.us/METMilBasesPics.htmlhttp:// www.saragrace.us/METMilBasesPics.html I finally got a response from the museum (the curator is in Europe - wh!) Here are the pictures. Enjoy! Would love to hear your opinions. I am waiting to hear back from the textile expert in Sweden. He has offered to take a look at the pictures - but said of course it would only be a limited opinion since he could not handle the garment himself. Cheers, Sg ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Lauren M. Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] not in UK but possible idea RE: Wedding Veil(inU.K only please)
At 21:02 04/10/2006, you wrote: Would a rotary cutter help? There are both large and small wheels available. The small ones are only about 1 across and can do fairly intricate work -Brenna snip Bjarne - I can't cut tulle evenly enough to make sure the veil is a good shape. (I have problems with my wrist and controlling the scissors when doing really delicate work.) That would be a great idea, if I could do it though. Thanks for the suggestion, but I would need to do it so rarely, it is not worth the investment. It must be 5 years since I needed to cut tulle accurately, so as you can see, it is not a regular thing! Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] What is a military base
http://www.saragrace.us/METMilBasesPics.htmlhttp://www.saragrace.us/METMilBasesPics.htmlhttp://www.saragrace.us/METMilBasesPics.html Thank you for the correction to the link...not sure why it did that. To the question of what a Military base is - pretty simply, it is typically a padded/quilted skirt worn as light armor. I say typically, because of course, there are variations on it. Some were just decorative, some were protective. Some were attached to padded bodices, others were just coverups. Here is one of my favorite pictures of several: http://tinyurl.com/oj5c3http://tinyurl.com/oj5c3 Another, which I cannot seem to conjure up at the moment is of a man on one knee wearing a skirt and a metal curiass. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Ugh -sorry about the links..was What is a military base
Not sure why my email is doing this. I won't bother to try it again. But do be aware that you can't get to the page via any of the the rest of my website. It isn't linked to anything (because there isn't anything to link to.) I can see that several people are backing up to my index page - that wont' help. Sorry - life is too busy to make it pretty! Sg - Original Message - From: Saragrace Knaufmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costumemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; GermanRenCostumemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ; TheRenaissanceTailormailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 2:28 PM Subject: [h-cost] What is a military base ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] white embroidery
It's the *fineness* of the linen threads used then, that can't be duplicated now. In linen. Please pardon my ignorance, but why can't we have the same fineness now? Is it a difference in the spinning techniques, or the variety of the plant itself? Or a lack of demand for finer thread? Thanks! Caryn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Wedding Veil (in U.K only please)
Have you tried looking on wedding supplier listings sites, like hitched.co.uk, and confetti?? (There are also all sorts of others that come up if you google wedding suppliers). Also, you could try modern veil manufacturers - the probably wouldn't sell to you direct, as it's a one off, but the should be able to tell you if they do anything suitable, and put you in touch with a stockist. (Most probably have websites too.) Ones listed in the latest copy of bridal buyer are: alice james carousel bridal veils elizabeth dickens emmerling joyce jackson bridal veils liza designs malis henderson pauline nichol richard designs trudy lee nieve design couture hope it helps debbie ps - a lot of women on wedding forums are also turning to ebay. pps - if any of them don't come up on a search, adjust the spellings in case my brain's got a head of my fingers again! In a message dated 10/4/06 7:11:28 PM GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The lady for whom I am making the Victorian dress, which I am rudely calling a tea cosy, has at the last moment decided she needs a wedding veil, but because of all the frou-frou at the neck of the dress, it needs to be short. Shoulder length or chin length would be ideal, and as plain as possible in ivory silk tulle or nylon tulle. I cannot make this for her as I can no longer be neat enough to roll that kind of hem, so it is no use getting a length of tulle, or shortening a ready made one. Can any U.K. lister suggest anywhere I can try I have looked at everything I can see on Google and others, but maybe I am not looking in the right places. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Wedding Veil (in U.K only please)
At 23:11 04/10/2006, you wrote: Have you tried looking on wedding supplier listings sites, like hitched.co.uk, and confetti?? (There are also all sorts of others that come up if you google wedding suppliers). Also, you could try modern veil manufacturers - the probably wouldn't sell to you direct, as it's a one off, but the should be able to tell you if they do anything suitable, and put you in touch with a stockist. (Most probably have websites too.) Ones listed in the latest copy of bridal buyer are: alice james carousel bridal veils elizabeth dickens emmerling joyce jackson bridal veils liza designs malis henderson pauline nichol richard designs trudy lee nieve design couture hope it helps debbie ps - a lot of women on wedding forums are also turning to ebay. pps - if any of them don't come up on a search, adjust the spellings in case my brain's got a head of my fingers again! Thanks Debs - I'll bookmark that for future reference. I did find one here http://www.theweddingveilshop.co.uk/id226.html which will actually do - tried Bridal instead of Wedding and got a few different references. I really don't *plan* ever to make another wedding dress, except the one for my future daughter-in-law, but you know what they say about the best laid plans! Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] recent history
My google skills are not bringing me what I need, so I come to the costume center of the universe for help! My daughter wants to dress 1980s for a school theme. I've described the look (I lived through it!) but she really wants to see photos. What I remember (small town in the midwest) was a modified version of the valleygirl slash preppy. Punk didn't make it to my part of the world until it was called Goth. :-) Share links if you've got 'em, please! Thanks Denise B Iowa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange
Welcome to the 2006 H-COST Holiday Gift Exchange. **PLEASE READ THIS ENTIRE MESSAGE CAREFULLY BEFORE RESPONDING*** Please DO NOT reply to the List. Please address all replies to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Be sure to add my email to your spam filter so that I can reply to you with your exchange information. Please leave the H-COST header intact in your reply so your message does not end up in the spam-trap. If the phrase H-COST does not appear in your subject line I will not get your message. _What we're doing. _ We will be exchanging small costume and sewing related gifts with each other. To participate you must sign up (below). There are rules, so that everybody knows what is expected of them, but I want this to be fun so I am keeping the rules simple. If you want to participate, please read this entire message. The Sign-up Deadline is October 14. The Mailing Deadline is Dec.8th. We're starting earlier based on feedback from last year. Sometime after Oct 14 I will begin sending people their assignments. That's a crazy week for me, so don't panic if I'm a little late. :) _The Rules._ 1. You are responsible for completing your end of the exchange on time. Please be sure you can follow through on your committment. 2. Gifts should be sewing or costume related. Gifts may be hand-made for the recipient, or purchased, or may be items you already have. Gifts should be clean and in good condition and suitable for giving. You will be given guidelines to help you choose a gift for your recipient. 3. Gifts should be in the $10-$15 US range, and no more than that. (8-12 euros). It's ok if you can get something on sale or make something from supplies you already have. Second-hand books in good condition are ok. We all know how many desireable but out-of-print titles are out there. 4. Please wrap your gift item. Last year many participants said they would like the gift to be a surprise, and will wait to open it. You do not have to use seasonal holiday paper, plain tissue or pretty fabric is just fine. 5. Plan to mail your gift early. Remember that it will cost you postage on top of what you spent on the gift. Small and lightweight objects are generally cheaper to mail. If you are mailing overseas you may have to fill out a Customs Declaration. 6. After the sign-up period I will create a list of all participants so that I can stay in touch with you and send reminders. Email should be addressed to me, or to this list and not to H-Cost. 7. Each person who joins will be randomly matched up with one person they will send a gift to. I will try not to match you with the same person as last year. Someone else will send a gift to you. For example, Ann will send to Bob. Bob will send to Clara. Clara will send to Ann. This way each person will meet two H-Costumers by giving and receiving. You will know who you are sending to, but not who is sending to you. _Join Now!_ 1. To join you must send me your name and mailing address. Please reply to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and NOT to the H-Cost list. The sign-up period ends Oct 14. 2. Introduce yourself. Tell me a little bit about you, your family, your pets, what you do -- as much as you feel comfortable sharing. It's been suggested that you include your dress size. 3. Tell me some of your Favorite Things. What do you sew? What time period or place interests you? Is there a favorite technique or process that you enjoy? (weaving, dyeing, embroidery, etc.) Do you have a favorite color or theme? 4. If you live outside the US and know your Duty limit, please include it. If you are within the US and do not wish to mail to another country, please let me know. I think that about covers it. If you have questions or concerns, please ask. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] white embroidery
I've been told two different but related things on this: either the varieties of flax plants as now grown don't produce such fine fibers or that the processing as now done doesn't allow for serfs to hand-sort the fibers to gather all the finest ones up for the spinning and weaving of such ultra-fine fabric. It may be that you have to be growing an awful lot of linen to accumulate enough of the finest fibers, too. Lauren On Oct 4, 2006, at 6:11 PM, Caryn Sobel wrote: It's the *fineness* of the linen threads used then, that can't be duplicated now. In linen. Please pardon my ignorance, but why can't we have the same fineness now? Is it a difference in the spinning techniques, or the variety of the plant itself? Or a lack of demand for finer thread? Thanks! Caryn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume Lauren M. Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] recent history
There are lots of 80's movies that could be rented depending on her age. Silvara [Original Message] From: Land of Oz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/4/2006 3:28:00 PM Subject: [h-cost] recent history My google skills are not bringing me what I need, so I come to the costume center of the universe for help! My daughter wants to dress 1980s for a school theme. I've described the look (I lived through it!) but she really wants to see photos. What I remember (small town in the midwest) was a modified version of the valleygirl slash preppy. Punk didn't make it to my part of the world until it was called Goth. :-) Share links if you've got 'em, please! Thanks Denise B Iowa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] recent history
There are lots of 80's movies that could be rented depending on her age. ah, of course! but it wouldn't be a true school project if you let mom know more than 12 hours ahead of time what you require. The library is closed and there isn't a movie rental place within a half-hour's drive. I'll try IMDB though and see if I can find some movie shots. thanks Denise B ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] recent history
You might know some one with Fart Times At Ridgemont high. Flashdance, 16 candles etc... Silvara [Original Message] From: Land of Oz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/4/2006 3:41:12 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] recent history There are lots of 80's movies that could be rented depending on her age. ah, of course! but it wouldn't be a true school project if you let mom know more than 12 hours ahead of time what you require. The library is closed and there isn't a movie rental place within a half-hour's drive. I'll try IMDB though and see if I can find some movie shots. thanks Denise B ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] white embroidery
As far as i have heard its not that they cant make it, but its the price wich would be two high that anyone would buy it. Only the best flax can be used for this fine thread, and it needs a lot of work to make it that thin. Bjarne - Original Message - From: Caryn Sobel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 12:11 AM Subject: Re: [h-cost] white embroidery It's the *fineness* of the linen threads used then, that can't be duplicated now. In linen. Please pardon my ignorance, but why can't we have the same fineness now? Is it a difference in the spinning techniques, or the variety of the plant itself? Or a lack of demand for finer thread? Thanks! Caryn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] recent history
There are lots of 80's movies that could be rented depending on her age. ah, of course! but it wouldn't be a true school project if you let mom know more than 12 hours ahead of time what you require. The library is closed and there isn't a movie rental place within a half-hour's drive. I'll try IMDB though and see if I can find some movie shots. thanks Denise B Use Google image search for Cyndi Lauper. She pretty much iconised the 80's look. Melusine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] white embroidery
I've been told two different but related things on this: either the varieties of flax plants as now grown don't produce such fine fibers or that the processing as now done doesn't allow for serfs to hand-sort the fibers to gather all the finest ones up for the spinning and weaving of such ultra-fine fabric. There are several things that influence the fiber diameter in flax production. The main difference in modern times is that it's all mechanized for maximum production. Flax grows a much finer fiber when the plant population is high. (growing close together). Also, to get the finest fibers you have to harvest the plants before the seeds are mature. Modern production places the seeds in the soil at a much more regular spacing than the broadcast seeding done in the past and the plant population density is optimized for cash production. That means that the fiber is harvested when the seed is ready and the plants are strong enough to hold themselves up throughout the growing and harvest seasons. The fiber brings a lower price, but it's offset by the value of the flax seed. There probably isn't enough demand for fine fiber to convince any producers to forgo their seed crop. Denise B ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] recent history
God bless typos. It's been a rough couple of days, but THIS MOVIE is giving me a wonderful howling laugh! --RuthAnne Baumgartner scholar gypsy and amateur costumer On Oct 4, 2006, at 6:43 PM, Silvara wrote: You might know some one with Fart Times At Ridgemont high. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] was: recent history now: 80's looks
How funny that this topic comes up today! While dropping my son off at the mall today, it was very obvious that they had held some type of retro look event. High school aged people pouring out of the mall in everything from day-glo paisley mini dresses, pleather mini dresses white go-go boots to Madonna Flashdance Cyndi Lauper looks. Entirely too frightening to think I used to wear those types of things! Lisa W. in MT ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Wedding Veil (in U.K only please)
In a message dated 10/5/06 12:08:55 AM GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks Debs - I'll bookmark that for future reference. I did find one here http://www.theweddingveilshop.co.uk/id226.html which will actually do - tried Bridal instead of Wedding and got a few different references. I really don't *plan* ever to make another wedding dress, except the one for my future daughter-in-law, but you know what they say about the best laid plans! Suzi yeah - I keep making plans like that :o) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] recent history
In a message dated 10/4/2006 6:59:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You might know some one with Fart Times At Ridgemont high Considering the audience these types of movies are aimed at, that might be an apt title. . . . Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Dancing with the Stars
Is anyone watching the costumes on Dancing with the Stars? Some of the ladies costumes are so beautiful. I love watching the dress flow on the dance floor. The Spanish inspired skirts last night we really nice. But I couldn't understand Sara Evans costume last night. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] recent history
http://www.fashion-era.com/1980s_lifestyle_and_fashion.htm http://www.fashion-era.com/power_dressing.htm http://www.nostalgiacentral.com/pop/fashion80.htm http://www.prebble.com/80sFashionFile.html (?) http://www.funwirks.com/new_page_4.htm De -Original Message- My google skills are not bringing me what I need, so I come to the costume center of the universe for help! My daughter wants to dress 1980s for a school theme. I've described the look (I lived through it!) but she really wants to see photos. What I remember (small town in the midwest) was a modified version of the valleygirl slash preppy. Punk didn't make it to my part of the world until it was called Goth. :-) Share links if you've got 'em, please! Thanks Denise B Iowa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] dressing 80's
When my daughter wanted to dress 80's she went in leggings, a striped leotard, headband and leg warmers - think Olivia Newton John and Let's Get Physical G My daughter wants to dress 1980s for a school theme. I've described the look (I lived through it!) but she really wants to see photos. What I remember (small town in the midwest) was a modified version of the valleygirl slash preppy. Punk didn't make it to my part of the world until it was called Goth. :-) Share links if you've got 'em, please! Thanks Denise B Iowa ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] was: recent history now: 80's looks
Ummm... that is also a late '60s, early '70s look. De -Original Message- from day-glo paisley mini dresses, pleather mini dresses white go-go boots to Madonna Flashdance Cyndi Lauper looks. Entirely too frightening to think I used to wear those types of things! Lisa W. in MT ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] was: recent history now: 80's looks
Paisley mini dresses, sure, but not Madonna or Flashdance or Cyndi! --Sue - Original Message - From: otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 6:29 PM Subject: RE: [h-cost] was: recent history now: 80's looks Ummm... that is also a late '60s, early '70s look. De -Original Message- from day-glo paisley mini dresses, pleather mini dresses white go-go boots to Madonna Flashdance Cyndi Lauper looks. Entirely too frightening to think I used to wear those types of things! Lisa W. in MT ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] recent history
Silvara wrote: You might know some one with Fart Times At Ridgemont high. You know, that is _exactly_ what I thought of that movie :-) -- Adele de Maisieres - Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus - ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] recent history
Okay so I can't type!! [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 10/4/2006 4:20:42 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] recent history In a message dated 10/4/2006 6:59:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You might know some one with Fart Times At Ridgemont high Considering the audience these types of movies are aimed at, that might be an apt title. . . . Ann Wass ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] What is a military base
Perhaps Raphael's The Mass at Bolsena. No armor, but swords and kneeling and bases (or a related garment). That's the first one that comes to my mind. Ann in CT --- Saragrace Knauf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To the question of what a Military base is - pretty simply, it is typically a padded/quilted skirt worn as light armor. I say typically, because of course, there are variations on it. Some were just decorative, some were protective. Some were attached to padded bodices, others were just coverups. Another, which I cannot seem to conjure up at the moment is of a man on one knee wearing a skirt and a metal curiass. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] recent history
In a message dated 10/4/2006 6:56:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Use Google image search for Cyndi Lauper. She pretty much iconised the 80's look. *** Wellone of them anyway. I don't know that I'd choose her as THE icon of 80's style. Remember drop waist dresses with shoulder pads? All black clothes? Big curly hair? Crazy socks? Clunky middle eastern inspired jewelry and belts? The second hand store mix up...Cyndi's look [there's a punk and sorta waif version of this] Power suits for women? [more shoulder pads] Oversized clunky sweaters with lots of things appliqued or embroidered all over them? [with shoulder pads!] with leggings? Go watch Desperately Seeking Susan. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] RE: recent history
Hi. We were just watching the movie Terminator a few days ago and were really struck by the fantastic 80's clothes. It's rated R so depending on your preferences it may not be appropriate for her to watch, but you could find some of the scenes for her and show her. Also a few other movies that I just thought of that might be good - Desperatly Seeking Susan, Sixteen Candles, The Wedding Singer. Have fun with the 80's! :) jessica ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
