RE: [h-cost] English Gable Hood, Holbein image
I was unable to pull up the webpage but I do seem to remember such a button on other pictures. If I can find anything else, I will let you know. Anne -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Margo Anderson Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 7:48 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: [h-cost] English Gable Hood, Holbein image I'm at work on an English gable hood, as seen in this image: http:// commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Gablehood_front-back_c1535_detail.jpg Unfortunately I don't have a clear enough image to be able to answer this question: Is there a round button at the center of the converging triangles on the black box on the back of her head? I think I see it, but I'm not sure. Thanks to anyone who can help! Margo Anderson ___ No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1075 - Release Date: 10/17/2007 9:38 AM ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] English Gable Hood, Holbein image
At 00:47 18/10/2007, you wrote: I'm at work on an English gable hood, as seen in this image: http:// commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Gablehood_front-back_c1535_detail.jpg Unfortunately I don't have a clear enough image to be able to answer this question: Is there a round button at the center of the converging triangles on the black box on the back of her head? I think I see it, but I'm not sure. Thanks to anyone who can help! I can't get the image to show up, but when I made my gable hood for the Museum of London, I did not see a button. the shape of the pleats on the box were formed simply by taking a tuck cross wise - it is a bit lumpy where the pleats cross, and it certainly looked pretty accurate, according to the Holbein drawing. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tux, tails and vests
In a message dated 10/17/2007 8:42:17 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ann's right; tuxedos were originally a kind of informal wear; they did not become formal wear until the 1920s.Unfortunately, I don't remember enough to be more detailed than that. Actually, tuxedos started as a form of infomal formal wear, worn at gentlemen's clubs before 1900. At least that is my understanding. Cheryl Odom, poster of the original question ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Buttons
Speaking of buttons; I'm on the lookout for some specific ones and though everyone on here might be able to help. They look sort of like a 4 sided shield button with a tall point in the middle. Here is a little collage I made of them; hopefully you can see the details well enough to get an idea of their shape: http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a106/A_Dark_Horse/buttons.jpg Any ideas on where I could get something like that in silver? Thanks! Elizabeta On 10/18/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In my never-ending search for groovy buttons, I found this site: _Click here: Horn Bone Buttons Natural Horn Buttons Horn Toggles buttons Belts india_ (http://ganmbuttons.com/) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] English Gable Hood, Holbein image
Suzi Clarke wrote: At 00:47 18/10/2007, you wrote: I'm at work on an English gable hood, as seen in this image: http:// commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Gablehood_front-back_c1535_detail.jpg Unfortunately I don't have a clear enough image to be able to answer this question: Is there a round button at the center of the converging triangles on the black box on the back of her head? I think I see it, but I'm not sure. Thanks to anyone who can help! I can't get the image to show up, but when I made my gable hood for the Museum of London, I did not see a button. the shape of the pleats on the box were formed simply by taking a tuck cross wise - it is a bit lumpy where the pleats cross, and it certainly looked pretty accurate, according to the Holbein drawing. Suzi Given the front-back c1535 I'm guessing the picture is Holbein's drawing of an unknown English lady - try this link: http://www.uvm.edu/~hag/sca/tudor/backsketch.jpgIf you take the url back to ...tudor/ there's a great portfolio of pictures on this site. I can see what you mean, but I never saw it as a button before you suggested it, just the product of four triangles meeting. There are so few pictures of the back of a gable hood, and with it always being black it's hard to confirm details! Jean ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] muff
Hi, I made the muff wich i had embroidered. Now its done with initials two: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/DSC03435m.jpg Bjarne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Buttons
Oh...I forgot to include these guys... _http://www.durangobutton.com/index.htm_ (http://www.durangobutton.com/index.htm) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tux, tails and vests
AlbertCat, I lost track of this thread. Are you quoting _Cutting for All: The Sartorial Arts_, Wikipedia or something else? It's an interesting story one I hadnt heard in any kind of depth before, tho I find myself in doubt give the anecdotal tales particularly those that dont agree. --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tux, tails and vests ** This is what I remember too. And in the teens you might see a real mix, the older men in older styles, the young men in tuxes. Here is what it says on Definitions of the clothing Textile industry: The American name tuxedo is taken from Tuxedo Park, New York, a private club of country houses founded by Pierre Lorillard, the tobacco heir. (The town of Tuxedo and Tuxedo Park themselves were named by the Lenni-Lenape Indians, who called the largest lake in the area tucseto, meaning either place of the bear or clear flowing water.)... snip ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] English Gable Hood, Holbein image
Looking at my copy of Holbein in England from the Tate, which has a decent but still too small image of this one, it looks like there's just not enough detail in the sketch itself to say for sure. There's definitely something there, but it's just a sort of a v-shape where the lines meet, with shadow around it suggesting something that sticks out a bit. It could be a lump where they meet, though that's not the shape that 4-finished-seams-meeting makes when I do it; it could be a button, though the sketch suggests a diamond-shaped ...whatever... and a self-fabric diamond-shaped button seems a bit odd. It could be a covering patch, but in the sketch the ...thingy... is pretty 3D, and seems to stick out further than a patch would. Sicne the British Museum (the sketch's home) makes it really difficult to link to database records: http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/advanced_search.aspx then search for Holbein two views and it'll be your only result. Click on the small then the medium image, and it'll take you to a pretty decent enlargement. -E House ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tux, tails and vests
In a message dated 10/18/2007 2:28:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I lost track of this thread. Are you quoting _Cutting for All: The Sartorial Arts_, * No. I just did a google of Tuxedo... or was it Cummerbund, history? anyway, it took me here: _http://www.apparelsearch.com/Definitions/Clothing/Tuxedo_black_tie_definition .htm_ (http://www.apparelsearch.com/Definitions/Clothing/Tuxedo_black_tie_definition.htm) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
re: [h-cost] muff
Hi, I made the muff wich i had embroidered. Now its done with initials two: http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/DSC03435m.jpg Bjarne, It's lovely, and you've made it with *my* initials. Wonderful! I only which I could touch it. --cin Cynthia Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange
All, Since some of you have asked... I will not be running this again this year. It was fun last year and I enjoyed doing it, until it got to be January and some folks hadn't mailed out their exchanges yet. And then it got to be February and I was still chasing people. Then it came to be March and a couple folks never received anything from their partners. So... if somebody else wants to pick this up and run with it, more power to you. You're welcome to it with my blessing, and I wish all participants a happy holiday of their choosing. :) Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Facsimile of Grimani Breviary, 1520
I just received my Levenger catalog today and found that they are the exclusive sellers of a numbered edition of a facsimile of the Grimani Breviary (originally made for Domenico Cardinal Grimani of Venice in 1520). This edition reproduces 110 paintings in full color. The price is $150 (there are only 2,000 numbered copies). Here's the link to the book on Levenger's on-line catalog http://www.levenger.com/PAGETEMPLATES/PRODUCT/Product.asp?Params=Category=14|Level=2|pageid=5917|Link=Txt . It sounds like a wonderful book. Joan Jurancich [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] cutting for all
Yeah, I thought it might be just a huge book with many links and sources... well, what I'm looking for, is anything about drafting and patterns. Historical methods and professional modern methods, on a rather higher level. Something like these Rundschau magazines I recently talked about... Do you think it might be helpful for me? No information in the book on techniques. Just list and lists of where to find information. (I missed the earlier discussion, sorry.) -Cat- ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] English Gable Hood, Holbein image
Jean Waddie wrote: I can see what you mean, but I never saw it as a button before you suggested it, just the product of four triangles meeting. There are so few pictures of the back of a gable hood, and with it always being black it's hard to confirm details! If you can stand one more word, there's a clearer image at http://www.britishmuseum.org/research/search_the_collection_database/search_object_image.aspx?objectId=720891partId=1searchText=holbeinfromADBC=adtoADBC=adorig=research%2fsearch_the_collection_database.aspxcurrentPage=8asset_id=31491 (or *http://tinyurl.com/yqemjv).* -- Adele de Maisieres - Habeo metrum - musicamque, hominem meam. Expectat alium quid? -Georgeus Gershwinus - ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange
I'm sorry that the Gift Exchange won't be happening this year. Even though my gift didn't show up last year, I did get a tremendous gift the first year - a new friend. My Secret Santa and I have become friends and are hoping to actually meet each other next year at an SCA event. :-) Thanks so much Dawn! I appreciate all the time you put into organizing the exchange. With warmest regards, kate Dawn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All, Since some of you have asked... I will not be running this again this year. It was fun last year and I enjoyed doing it, until it got to be January and some folks hadn't mailed out their exchanges yet. And then it got to be February and I was still chasing people. Then it came to be March and a couple folks never received anything from their partners. So... if somebody else wants to pick this up and run with it, more power to you. You're welcome to it with my blessing, and I wish all participants a happy holiday of their choosing. :) Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Fwd: Denver Fabrics Newsletter - 10/16/07 - Great New Deals
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Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange
THanks for your service, Dawn. You did a great job--too bad not all the participants cooperated. I was just thinking I might sit out this year, anyway. Ann Wass ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Tasha Tudor collection
I just recieved the first issue of the new Victoria magazine, and there's an article devoted to Tasha Tudor's antique clothing collection. Very pretty, mostly early 19th century dresses and jewelry. Melusine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] English Gable Hood, Holbein image
- Original Message - From: Margo Anderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:47 AM Subject: [h-cost] English Gable Hood, Holbein image I'm at work on an English gable hood, as seen in this image: http:// commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Gablehood_front-back_c1535_detail.jpg Unfortunately I don't have a clear enough image to be able to answer this question: Is there a round button at the center of the converging triangles on the black box on the back of her head? I think I see it, but I'm not sure. Thanks to anyone who can help! Margo Anderson You may also want to have a look at this effigy http://www.tudoreffigies.co.uk/browse/view.asp?id=66 (the Tudor Effigies website is back and it has it's own domain) it shows a 3D image of a Gable hood you can see the back is basically the same (a box covered with 4 triangles) and there's definitely no button on this one. HTH Elizabeth Elizabeth Walpole Canberra Australia ewalpole[at]tpg.com.au http://au.geocities.com/amiperiodornot/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Holiday Gift Exchange
Ailith wrote: I'm sorry that the Gift Exchange won't be happening this year. Even though my gift didn't show up last year, I did get a tremendous gift the first year - a new friend. My Secret Santa and I have become friends and are hoping to actually meet each other next year at an SCA event. :-) I wouldn't write it off so fast--maybe we'll have a volunteer! I had a blast last year and was looking forward to it this year. Normally I'd stick up my hand but the ol' plate's a little too full at the moment. Susan ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
