Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

[annbwass]

 about the early life of Elizabeth I.

Slightly OT, but reminds me of the magazine ad a few years ago for Queen Anne 
cordial cherries, that showed Queen Elizabeth I. I wrote the company, and got 
the response that I was really sharp-eyed.  Well, duh, a woman with curly red 
hair and dripping pearls--I ask you!

Ann Wass






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From: Sharon Collier 
To: 'Historical Costume' 
Sent: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 4:55 pm
Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh


I read a book, about the early life of Elizabeth I. The front cover was a
ortrait of Princess Elizabeth, daughter of James I, dated approximately
612. It wouldn't matter to someone who didn't know clothing styles, but to
e, it was confusing.
haron C. 
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rom: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
ehalf Of Monica Spence
ent: Monday, September 26, 2011 5:37 AM
o: 'Historical Costume'
ubject: Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

ometimes covers are even reused. Sometimes a certain model is popular (aka:
abio). Romance novel covers go through  phases. Right now  there is a trend
or headless women (what does THAT say?). Other covers feature a shirtless
an-- with or without tattoos.
The frustrating thing for an author is the cover. She tell the publisher how
he envisions a cover, and gets the exact opposite.  My friend got a
ontract for a book and sent exact ideas (man: James bond type, in a good
uit and tie). What she got was a skinny, shirtless, guy with a medallion
round his neck.  Let's  say she was not happy.  My personal frustration
ith novels of historical fiction is when the publishers take a piece of
eal art work from a period, and use it for the another, completely wrong
eriod.
Monica Spence
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rom: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
ehalf Of Bambi TBNL
ent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:51 AM
o: h-cost...@indra.com
ubject: Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh
Often times the costume is orderd in a certain " artist model" size, color
ptional. Who designs it is between the writer , the artist and the
ublisher, the costumes ia not seen as a designer/historian but as " the
eamstress" who almost never has any more info than an artist sketch which
hey expect precise compliance with. The suggestion tha alteration in this
ight provide something more *..historically accurate, pleasing, tasteful,
s at best met with " we are not flexible on this matter" and at worst with
he business being conducted elsewhere , ( where their order is filled no
uestions asked, -Original Message-
ate: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:27:20 am
o: "'Historical Costume'" 
rom: "Sharon Collier" 
ubject: Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh
I'm curious--does anyone know the answer to this question? Do the artists
ho draw the covers of romance novels just come up with a costume out of
heir head, or do they pose the models in a costume from a costume warehouse
r something? Some novels' covers look almost like photos; the costumes are
orrible, but very detailed.
haron C. 
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rom: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
ehalf Of Patricia Dunham
ent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:13 PM
o: Historical Costume
ubject: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh
Just ran across, by accident, 2 new CECELIA HOLLAND's -- hooray.  THEN I
ooked them up online and the covers -- argh!  Obviously art-directed at the
odice ripper set!  
The King's Witch is a Richard II period piece with a not-very-good Ren-faire
ench in green, @
ttp://www.amazon.com/Kings-Witch-Cecelia-Holland/dp/0425241300/ref=ntt_at_e
_dpt_2.  
And The Secret Eleanor [of Acquitaine], which cover is better but
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Re: [h-cost] Book Covers

[Monica Spence]

I, too, write romances, and I've been fighting the "bodice ripper" label for
years. To me, bad book covers are on the same level as poorly done
historical costumes or bad SCA garb. ( I teach Costume History on the
college level  and my husband and I are in the SCA, so I know from whence I
speak.) 

There is a silver lining in bad book covers. That cover with the three limbs
allowed Christina Dodd cover approval for her novels. Likewise, my friend
Kristan Higgins got cover control when the artist put the wrong breed of dog
on her book cover.

Of course, it helps if you are a bestselling New York Times author. 

Other authors I know must rely on the generosity of the cover gods. :-)
Some have really been blessed.

Monica Spence

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From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Valerie Robertson
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:39 PM
To: h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: [h-cost] Book Covers

Um, you guys know that "bodice ripper" is considered insulting by romance
writers, right?  Kind of like "costume nazi" among historical clothing
researchers.  And since I'm a published romance novelist (science fiction,
so the clothes aren't a problem) and have been researching historical
clothing for more than two decades, I feel qualified to make the comparison.


As far as getting the dress correct on book covers, in 1993 Christina Dodd
became infamous because of a cover that went to press with the heroine
having THREE ARMS. If Avon, the leading US publisher of historical romances,
couldn't get the number of limbs correct with all their editors and a full
art department, do you really think they even care if the dress details are
correct?


For the record, the dress sucked; 14th century kirtle with bell sleeves
gathered at her left wrist in a ruffle--yes, a ruffle--at one right wrist
without a ruffle, and no cuff, gathering band, ruffle, or sleeve visible at
all at the other right wrist. The hero is wearing a Templar tunic, or it
might be a white tunic with a red Maltese cross on it (cue eyelid twitch).


Of course, that book is a collector's item now and resells for hundreds of
dollars, but still, they failed at counting to two. 

Got seams in the wrong place...visible zipper lines...wrong kind of lacing
for the period...neckline that defies physics? Well, yes. 

Does she have two arms? Hey, it's all good.


Valerie Robertson
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Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

[Sharon Collier]

But why can't they at least get the hair color correct? When I read a book
with a red-haired heroine, I expect the cover to have a red-haired woman on
it. Otherwise, when I start to read, I am constantly on the lookout for the
characters who "look" like the cover, thinking they will be the main
characters. It's disconcerting.
Sharon C. 

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From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Heather Rose Jones
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:01 AM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

One reason for the frustrating mis-matches between story details and cover
in the mass market genre fiction industry is that cover art is much more
about conveying "brand" and sub-genre information than intended to be
illustration.  The idea is to build a (somewhat arbitrary) symbolic
vocabulary that answers the buyers questions of: What general setting does
this story have?  What general plot will it have?  In the case of romance,
what level of sexual content will it have?  And sometimes down to the level
of: what specific writing style can I expect. 

The cover is intended to stop the eye of a casual bookstore browser and
communicate to them "This book is going to be similar to those other books
you liked that had covers with the same 'vocabulary' elements. Consider: the
average romance buyer isn't looking for a cover that says something like
"1480s Burgundy, lower nobility" but a cover that says something like
"middle ages, no time-travel or supernatural elements, passionate courtship
but probably little explicit sex".

Heather Rose Jones
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Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

[Sharon Collier]

I read a book, about the early life of Elizabeth I. The front cover was a
portrait of Princess Elizabeth, daughter of James I, dated approximately
1612. It wouldn't matter to someone who didn't know clothing styles, but to
me, it was confusing.
Sharon C. 

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Monica Spence
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 5:37 AM
To: 'Historical Costume'
Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh


Sometimes covers are even reused. Sometimes a certain model is popular (aka:
Fabio). Romance novel covers go through  phases. Right now  there is a trend
for headless women (what does THAT say?). Other covers feature a shirtless
man-- with or without tattoos.

The frustrating thing for an author is the cover. She tell the publisher how
she envisions a cover, and gets the exact opposite.  My friend got a
contract for a book and sent exact ideas (man: James bond type, in a good
suit and tie). What she got was a skinny, shirtless, guy with a medallion
around his neck.  Let's  say she was not happy.  My personal frustration
with novels of historical fiction is when the publishers take a piece of
real art work from a period, and use it for the another, completely wrong
period.

Monica Spence

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Bambi TBNL
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:51 AM
To: h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

Often times the costume is orderd in a certain " artist model" size, color
optional. Who designs it is between the writer , the artist and the
publisher, the costumes ia not seen as a designer/historian but as " the
seamstress" who almost never has any more info than an artist sketch which
they expect precise compliance with. The suggestion tha alteration in this
might provide something more *..historically accurate, pleasing, tasteful,
is at best met with " we are not flexible on this matter" and at worst with
the business being conducted elsewhere , ( where their order is filled no
questions asked, -Original Message-
Date: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:27:20 am
To: "'Historical Costume'" 
From: "Sharon Collier" 
Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

I'm curious--does anyone know the answer to this question? Do the artists
who draw the covers of romance novels just come up with a costume out of
their head, or do they pose the models in a costume from a costume warehouse
or something? Some novels' covers look almost like photos; the costumes are
horrible, but very detailed.
Sharon C. 

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Patricia Dunham
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:13 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

Just ran across, by accident, 2 new CECELIA HOLLAND's -- hooray.  THEN I
looked them up online and the covers -- argh!  Obviously art-directed at the
bodice ripper set!  

The King's Witch is a Richard II period piece with a not-very-good Ren-faire
wench in green, @
http://www.amazon.com/Kings-Witch-Cecelia-Holland/dp/0425241300/ref=ntt_at_e
p_dpt_2.  

And The Secret Eleanor [of Acquitaine], which cover is better but

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[h-cost] Book Covers

[Valerie Robertson]

Um, you guys know that "bodice ripper" is considered insulting by romance 
writers, right?  Kind of like "costume nazi" among historical clothing 
researchers.  And since I'm a published romance novelist (science fiction, so 
the clothes aren't a problem) and have been researching historical clothing for 
more than two decades, I feel qualified to make the comparison.


As far as getting the dress correct on book covers, in 1993 Christina Dodd 
became infamous because of a cover that went to press with the heroine having 
THREE ARMS. If Avon, the leading US publisher of historical romances, couldn't 
get the number of limbs correct with all their editors and a full art 
department, do you really think they even care if the dress details are correct?


For the record, the dress sucked; 14th century kirtle with bell sleeves 
gathered at her left wrist in a ruffle--yes, a ruffle--at one right wrist 
without a ruffle, and no cuff, gathering band, ruffle, or sleeve visible at all 
at the other right wrist. The hero is wearing a Templar tunic, or it might be a 
white tunic with a red Maltese cross on it (cue eyelid twitch).


Of course, that book is a collector's item now and resells for hundreds of 
dollars, but still, they failed at counting to two. 

Got seams in the wrong place...visible zipper lines...wrong kind of lacing for 
the period...neckline that defies physics? Well, yes. 

Does she have two arms? Hey, it's all good.


Valerie Robertson
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Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

[Katy Bishop]

The usual poses of ladies as seen on the covers of "bodice ripper" novels.

Katy

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Becky Rautine  wrote:
>
> What is " bodice ripper poses"?
> Sincerely,
> Rebecca Rautine
>
>> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 07:53:04 -0400
>> From: katybisho...@gmail.com
>> To: h-cost...@indra.com
>> Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh
>>
>> About 20 years ago a friend who is a historical artist, borrowed
>> several of my period gowns and had his gorgeous wife, my friend, pose
>> in them in bodice ripper poses.  His goal was to start doing
>> historically accurate bodice ripper covers.  I don't know if anything
>> came of it.  I should ask his wife.
>
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Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

[Emily Gilbert]

My personal frustration with novels of historical fiction is when the 
publishers take a piece of real art work from a period, and use it for the 
another, completely wrong period.
This happened to some extent with the recent reissue of Georgette 
Heyer's Georgian and Regency novels.  The publishers used actual 
paintings for the covers, and some of them were fine, but others had a 
Georgian gentleman in a powdered wig on the cover of a Regency-set book, 
or a lady in an Empire dress on a book set a couple of decades earlier.


One of my pet peeves is when a mass-market Regency romance cover 
includes children - the adults' costumes are usually at least passable, 
but the little girls tend to be dressed in party frocks and Mary Janes.


Emily

On 9/26/2011 7:36 AM, Monica Spence wrote:

Sometimes covers are even reused. Sometimes a certain model is popular (aka:
Fabio). Romance novel covers go through  phases. Right now  there is a trend
for headless women (what does THAT say?). Other covers feature a shirtless
man-- with or without tattoos.

The frustrating thing for an author is the cover. She tell the publisher how
she envisions a cover, and gets the exact opposite.  My friend got a
contract for a book and sent exact ideas (man: James bond type, in a good
suit and tie). What she got was a skinny, shirtless, guy with a medallion
around his neck.  Let's  say she was not happy.  My personal frustration
with novels of historical fiction is when the publishers take a piece of
real art work from a period, and use it for the another, completely wrong
period.

Monica Spence

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Bambi TBNL
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:51 AM
To: h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

Often times the costume is orderd in a certain " artist model" size, color
optional. Who designs it is between the writer , the artist and the
publisher, the costumes ia not seen as a designer/historian but as " the
seamstress" who almost never has any more info than an artist sketch which
they expect precise compliance with. The suggestion tha alteration in this
might provide something more *..historically accurate, pleasing, tasteful,
is at best met with " we are not flexible on this matter" and at worst with
the business being conducted elsewhere , ( where their order is filled no
questions asked, -Original Message-
Date: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:27:20 am
To: "'Historical Costume'"
From: "Sharon Collier"
Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

I'm curious--does anyone know the answer to this question? Do the artists
who draw the covers of romance novels just come up with a costume out of
their head, or do they pose the models in a costume from a costume warehouse
or something? Some novels' covers look almost like photos; the costumes are
horrible, but very detailed.
Sharon C.

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Patricia Dunham
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:13 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

Just ran across, by accident, 2 new CECELIA HOLLAND's -- hooray.  THEN I
looked them up online and the covers -- argh!  Obviously art-directed at the
bodice ripper set!

The King's Witch is a Richard II period piece with a not-very-good Ren-faire
wench in green, @
http://www.amazon.com/Kings-Witch-Cecelia-Holland/dp/0425241300/ref=ntt_at_e
p_dpt_2.

And The Secret Eleanor [of Acquitaine], which cover is better but

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Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

[Becky Rautine]

What is " bodice ripper poses"?
Sincerely,
Rebecca Rautine

> Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2011 07:53:04 -0400
> From: katybisho...@gmail.com
> To: h-cost...@indra.com
> Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh
> 
> About 20 years ago a friend who is a historical artist, borrowed
> several of my period gowns and had his gorgeous wife, my friend, pose
> in them in bodice ripper poses.  His goal was to start doing
> historically accurate bodice ripper covers.  I don't know if anything
> came of it.  I should ask his wife.

  
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Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

[Heather Rose Jones]

One reason for the frustrating mis-matches between story details and cover in 
the mass market genre fiction industry is that cover art is much more about 
conveying "brand" and sub-genre information than intended to be illustration.  
The idea is to build a (somewhat arbitrary) symbolic vocabulary that answers 
the buyers questions of: What general setting does this story have?  What 
general plot will it have?  In the case of romance, what level of sexual 
content will it have?  And sometimes down to the level of: what specific 
writing style can I expect. 

The cover is intended to stop the eye of a casual bookstore browser and 
communicate to them "This book is going to be similar to those other books you 
liked that had covers with the same 'vocabulary' elements. Consider: the 
average romance buyer isn't looking for a cover that says something like "1480s 
Burgundy, lower nobility" but a cover that says something like "middle ages, no 
time-travel or supernatural elements, passionate courtship but probably little 
explicit sex".

Heather Rose Jones
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Re: [h-cost] Hallowe'en - Alice in Wonderland

[annbwass]

When I read the original post, I thought it sounded like something that would 
have to be made to order. Sounds like you have a couple of alternatives to 
choose from, and enough lead time to have it done.

Ann Wass




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From: Becky Rautine 
To: Historical Costume 
Sent: Mon, Sep 26, 2011 9:34 am
Subject: Re: [h-cost] Hallowe'en - Alice in Wonderland


I also make costumes. I am in Amarillo. I sew for a costume shop in Syracuse, 
y. And sell mascot heads on eBay when I can.
Sent from my iPad Becky Rautine
On Sep 24, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Suzanne  wrote:
> I don't usually purchase costumes. . . but my daughter [who's in college, and 
n a different time zone] has asked for help with a traditional Disney "Alice in 
onderland" blue dress with white pinafore.  She's looked in the standard 
ostume shops that pop up at this time of year and says the dresses are all too 
hort.  She's looked on e-bay and it seems that everyone is selling the same 
custom" design that comes from China and takes 6 weeks for delivery.
 
 Does anyone know of a costume shop in New York City that has real costumes 
nstead of stuff-to-get-drunk-in?
 Thanks for any suggestions!
 Suzanne
 
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Re: [h-cost] Hallowe'en - Alice in Wonderland

[Becky Rautine]

I also make costumes. I am in Amarillo. I sew for a costume shop in Syracuse, 
ny. And sell mascot heads on eBay when I can.

Sent from my iPad Becky Rautine

On Sep 24, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Suzanne  wrote:

> I don't usually purchase costumes. . . but my daughter [who's in college, and 
> in a different time zone] has asked for help with a traditional Disney "Alice 
> in Wonderland" blue dress with white pinafore.  She's looked in the standard 
> costume shops that pop up at this time of year and says the dresses are all 
> too short.  She's looked on e-bay and it seems that everyone is selling the 
> same "custom" design that comes from China and takes 6 weeks for delivery.
> 
> Does anyone know of a costume shop in New York City that has real costumes 
> instead of stuff-to-get-drunk-in?
> Thanks for any suggestions!
> Suzanne
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Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

[Monica Spence]

Sometimes covers are even reused. Sometimes a certain model is popular (aka:
Fabio). Romance novel covers go through  phases. Right now  there is a trend
for headless women (what does THAT say?). Other covers feature a shirtless
man-- with or without tattoos.

The frustrating thing for an author is the cover. She tell the publisher how
she envisions a cover, and gets the exact opposite.  My friend got a
contract for a book and sent exact ideas (man: James bond type, in a good
suit and tie). What she got was a skinny, shirtless, guy with a medallion
around his neck.  Let's  say she was not happy.  My personal frustration
with novels of historical fiction is when the publishers take a piece of
real art work from a period, and use it for the another, completely wrong
period.

Monica Spence

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Behalf Of Bambi TBNL
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2011 7:51 AM
To: h-cost...@indra.com
Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

Often times the costume is orderd in a certain " artist model" size, color
optional. Who designs it is between the writer , the artist and the
publisher, the costumes ia not seen as a designer/historian but as " the
seamstress" who almost never has any more info than an artist sketch which
they expect precise compliance with. The suggestion tha alteration in this
might provide something more *..historically accurate, pleasing, tasteful,
is at best met with " we are not flexible on this matter" and at worst with
the business being conducted elsewhere , ( where their order is filled no
questions asked, -Original Message-
Date: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:27:20 am
To: "'Historical Costume'" 
From: "Sharon Collier" 
Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

I'm curious--does anyone know the answer to this question? Do the artists
who draw the covers of romance novels just come up with a costume out of
their head, or do they pose the models in a costume from a costume warehouse
or something? Some novels' covers look almost like photos; the costumes are
horrible, but very detailed.
Sharon C. 

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Patricia Dunham
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:13 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

Just ran across, by accident, 2 new CECELIA HOLLAND's -- hooray.  THEN I
looked them up online and the covers -- argh!  Obviously art-directed at the
bodice ripper set!  

The King's Witch is a Richard II period piece with a not-very-good Ren-faire
wench in green, @
http://www.amazon.com/Kings-Witch-Cecelia-Holland/dp/0425241300/ref=ntt_at_e
p_dpt_2.  

And The Secret Eleanor [of Acquitaine], which cover is better but

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Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

[Katy Bishop]

About 20 years ago a friend who is a historical artist, borrowed
several of my period gowns and had his gorgeous wife, my friend, pose
in them in bodice ripper poses.  His goal was to start doing
historically accurate bodice ripper covers.  I don't know if anything
came of it.  I should ask his wife.

Katy

On Mon, Sep 26, 2011 at 2:27 AM, Sharon Collier  wrote:
> I'm curious--does anyone know the answer to this question? Do the artists
> who draw the covers of romance novels just come up with a costume out of
> their head, or do they pose the models in a costume from a costume warehouse
> or something? Some novels' covers look almost like photos; the costumes are
> horrible, but very detailed.
> Sharon C.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
> Behalf Of Patricia Dunham
> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:13 PM
> To: Historical Costume
> Subject: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh
>
> Just ran across, by accident, 2 new CECELIA HOLLAND's -- hooray.  THEN I
> looked them up online and the covers -- argh!  Obviously art-directed at the
> bodice ripper set!
>
> The King's Witch is a Richard II period piece with a not-very-good Ren-faire
> wench in green, @
> http://www.amazon.com/Kings-Witch-Cecelia-Holland/dp/0425241300/ref=ntt_at_e
> p_dpt_2.
>
> And The Secret Eleanor [of Acquitaine], which cover is better but not
> anywhere near right, @
> http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Eleanor-Cecelia-Holland/dp/0425234509.
>
> Recent re-issue of Great Maria is even afflicted with this... although the
> cover looks like a renaissance angel, THAT is not appropriate for Maria!
> http://www.amazon.com/Great-Maria-Cecelia-Holland/dp/B005CDUUD2/ref=ntt_at_e
> p_dpt_3
>
> The original Great Maria cover,
> http://www.amazon.com/Great-Maria-Cecelia-Holland/dp/0394485092/ref=ntt_at_e
> p_dpt_5 I now know isn't period for the story either, but at least looks
> period to SOME time!
>
> Funny how the original covers from the central-male-character, 1960-70-80 &
> 2000s titles are all very reasonable.
>
> chimene (a huge CH fan, for decades!!!)
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Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

[Bambi TBNL]

Often times the costume is orderd in a certain " artist model" size, color 
optional. Who designs it is between the writer , the artist and the publisher, 
the costumes ia not seen as a designer/historian but as " the seamstress" who 
almost never has any more info than an artist sketch which they expect precise 
compliance with. The suggestion tha alteration in this might provide something 
more *..historically accurate, pleasing, tasteful, is at best met with " we are 
not flexible on this matter" and at worst with the business being conducted 
elsewhere , ( where their order is filled no questions asked,
-Original Message-
Date: Monday, September 26, 2011 2:27:20 am
To: "'Historical Costume'" 
From: "Sharon Collier" 
Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

I'm curious--does anyone know the answer to this question? Do the artists
who draw the covers of romance novels just come up with a costume out of
their head, or do they pose the models in a costume from a costume warehouse
or something? Some novels' covers look almost like photos; the costumes are
horrible, but very detailed.
Sharon C. 

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Patricia Dunham
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:13 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

Just ran across, by accident, 2 new CECELIA HOLLAND's -- hooray.  THEN I
looked them up online and the covers -- argh!  Obviously art-directed at the
bodice ripper set!  

The King's Witch is a Richard II period piece with a not-very-good Ren-faire
wench in green, @
http://www.amazon.com/Kings-Witch-Cecelia-Holland/dp/0425241300/ref=ntt_at_e
p_dpt_2.  

And The Secret Eleanor [of Acquitaine], which cover is better but

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[h-cost] Chickahominy American Indian Powwow

[penny1a]

Yesterday I went to the powwow in our area.  I put a few of my photos on my
Facebook page (look in my email signature for the link).  There are two
really nice photos of a newborn baby in the arms of his grandfather and
father dancing with the baby.  I hope you enjoy the photos that are on
Facebook. I am sorry for not getting the photos on my website quickly.I have
hundreds of photos of the event.  I had shoulder surgery a month ago and my
computer time is limited to one hour at a time here and there.  For once in
my life, I am going to behave and do what the doctor said.

 

Penny Ladnier, owner

The Costume Gallery Websites

  www.costumegallery.com

15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history

FaceBook:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 

 

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Re: [h-cost] Hallowe'en - Alice in Wonderland

[penny1a]

Suzanne,

The sad thing is that the Halloween shops all buy from the same
distributors.  A couple of years ago I went to the Halloween convention in
Vegas...I am still seeing those same costumes in the marketplace.  Last week
on the TV show Whitney, her nurse sexy costume was shown in the new costumes
fashion show.OTOH, the TV show is going to show her wearing a lot of
these type costumes...so the sexy costume businesses should be selling a lot
this year.

Penny Ladnier, owner
The Costume Gallery Websites
www.costumegallery.com
15 websites of fashion, costume, and textile history
FaceBook:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Costume-Gallery-Websites/107498415961579 

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[h-cost] (h-cost) Re: costume on book covers, argh

[Kate Bunting]

I had two historical romances published back in the 70s (when it was 
comparatively easy to find a market). The first had a lovely cover illustration 
which portrayed the lead characters just as I imagined them (whether by 
accident or design, I don't know). The second had a horrible cover, in which 
the male figure had apparently been copied from a magazine photo of a reenactor 
and didn't even have the right hair colour.

Kate Bunting
Librarian & 17th century reenactor


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[h-cost] Re:Pink?

[Kate Bunting]

It's my understanding that the flower was named after the fabric treatment 
(because of its petals' jagged edges), and the colour after the flower.

Kate Bunting
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Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

[hhalb94479]

A fair number of costumes you see on the covers of books can very well come 
direct from movie stills.  They photoshop them to change colors and minor 
details.  Otherwise the dresses can be put onto models and photographed to use 
for the cover shot.  Recycledmoviecostumes.com has lots of pictures of dresses 
that have been reused for book covers.

   Maggie H.
Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®

-Original Message-
From: "Sharon Collier" 
Sender: h-costume-boun...@indra.com
Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2011 23:27:01 
To: 'Historical Costume'
Reply-To: Historical Costume 
Subject: Re: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

I'm curious--does anyone know the answer to this question? Do the artists
who draw the covers of romance novels just come up with a costume out of
their head, or do they pose the models in a costume from a costume warehouse
or something? Some novels' covers look almost like photos; the costumes are
horrible, but very detailed.
Sharon C. 

-Original Message-
From: h-costume-boun...@indra.com [mailto:h-costume-boun...@indra.com] On
Behalf Of Patricia Dunham
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 6:13 PM
To: Historical Costume
Subject: [h-cost] costume on book covers, argh

Just ran across, by accident, 2 new CECELIA HOLLAND's -- hooray.  THEN I
looked them up online and the covers -- argh!  Obviously art-directed at the
bodice ripper set!  

The King's Witch is a Richard II period piece with a not-very-good Ren-faire
wench in green, @
http://www.amazon.com/Kings-Witch-Cecelia-Holland/dp/0425241300/ref=ntt_at_e
p_dpt_2.  

And The Secret Eleanor [of Acquitaine], which cover is better but not
anywhere near right, @
http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Eleanor-Cecelia-Holland/dp/0425234509.

Recent re-issue of Great Maria is even afflicted with this... although the
cover looks like a renaissance angel, THAT is not appropriate for Maria!
http://www.amazon.com/Great-Maria-Cecelia-Holland/dp/B005CDUUD2/ref=ntt_at_e
p_dpt_3

The original Great Maria cover,
http://www.amazon.com/Great-Maria-Cecelia-Holland/dp/0394485092/ref=ntt_at_e
p_dpt_5 I now know isn't period for the story either, but at least looks
period to SOME time!  

Funny how the original covers from the central-male-character, 1960-70-80 &
2000s titles are all very reasonable.

chimene (a huge CH fan, for decades!!!)
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