Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing
I think the distinction people are trying to make is between private events intended for the participants' own pleasure, and public events intended to entertain and educate a non-costumed audience. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 08/09/2005 00:53 SCA events are not private. While we have to rent someone else's property, all SCA events are open to the public. Most events have an officer present (Chatelaine, Gold Key, Hospitaller, etc.). who has clean garb to loan for free. Lilinah who has been that officer at Principality and at Kingdom levels in the SCA ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing
Carol Kocian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most SCA events are private - halls, parks and school property is rented for their use. I wouldn't quite call that private . . . not like, say, a Victorian costume ball, or a modern party, where only friends are invited. I'd call it organizational. Anyone can join the SCA as far as I know. It used to be possible to attend events without being a member, but I don't know if that's still true. Private in the sense that everyone there is in costume as a participant. While people don't need to pay their dues to the SCA in order to attend, a requirement is that they wear an attempt at period costume. SCA events are not private. While we have to rent someone else's property, all SCA events are open to the public. Most events have an officer present (Chatelaine, Gold Key, Hospitaller, etc.). who has clean garb to loan for free. Lilinah who has been that officer at Principality and at Kingdom levels in the SCA ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing
-Original Message- SCA events in public parks draw non-costumed spectators too. * Usually, these are refered to as demos, fighter practice or recruitment(for lack of a better word). Events are usually something on a much more grander scale and normally is not posted to the regular public. De ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing
As far as I know the first reenactment group in the UK was the Sealed Knot, which started with an event staged in 1968 to publicise a book on the Battle of Edgehill by Brig. Peter Young. I first heard the term living history when the SK started demonstrating crafts etc. in a period encampment in addition to the battle displays. I think this was in the early 80s. Kate Bunting Librarian and 17th century reenactor [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/09/2005 09:28 I don't know who or which group started the Living History thing in England, or whether the term Living History came from the U.S. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: Milia Davenport (was Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing
Many of the brasses are not rubbings or photographs, i.e., 585. 1347 A.D. English. (Brass of Flemish workmanship.) (Elsing, Norfolk.) [i] Sir Hugh Hastings[/i]; 586, 592,593,594, 595, 596, 597, 600. Number 654, 1377. German. (Neckerstinach Chapel.) Brass. Ritter Helle Landschaden and Lady is definately re-drawn. Whereas 591, 598, 599, 650, 651, 652 look much more like actual rubbings of the brasses. Number 669 670 are re-drawings of the painted ceilings in the Alhambra; 668 is a photo of a painted ceiling. 823--Incised slab XVc. c. 1445. Flemish--redrawn. 839-46. XVc. c. 1450. French. (Paris, Bibliotheque Nationale, ms 6465.) [i]Grandes Chroniques de France[/i] executed by [i]Jean Foquet[/i] --impeccable lineage there, but From Foquet: [i]Grandes Chroniques de France.[/i] Paris, 1906. Berthaud freres. And 853-55. Paris, Bibl. Nat. ms. fr. 24378.: From Count A. Bastard d'Estang: [i]Costumes, moeurs et uesages de la cour de Bourgogne,[/i] 1445-60. Paris 1881. Not exhaustive, just what I found this morning. Ann in CT --- Carolyn Kayta Barrows [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Sideless cotehardie' comes from Milia Davenport's book. And at least some of the early fifteenth century pictures are from re-drawings, but you have to be wide-awake to recognize the sources. Redrawings in Davenport? Where? CarolynKayta Barrows __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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otsisto wrote: -Original Message- SCA events in public parks draw non-costumed spectators too. * Usually, these are refered to as demos, fighter practice or recruitment(for lack of a better word). Events are usually something on a much more grander scale and normally is not posted to the regular public. Depends on where you live. I've been to events in various states that were not considered recruiting, but full-fledged feasts, tournaments or coronations and were held in large open public parks. Some of them stopped traffic and drew crowds. It was the public display of costumes that first attracted me, and I'm sure many others. Dawn ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing
There's always been a significant overlap between science fiction/fantasy readers, and reenactors. There are also a fair number of ex-hippies in the older reenactor generation. I think dressing up is a very significant factor here. In much of the US in the 1960s and early 1970s, things like miniskirts (which were not hippie clothing, but high-fashion Mod), scruffy jeans, and long hair for men, let alone offbeat real vintage or historically inpsired clothes--they were all shocking. Startling. Attention-getting on the street. Getting disapproving columns in the newspapers, which referred to immorality and dangers to society. Wearing anything really unusual was a social statement and a threat to the established order. Now, whenever an extreme fad comes around, all most people who dislike it do, is to say, Gee, I don't really care for artificial-scarlet-colored hair, belly button piercings, whatever. We've all gotten used to diversity. It used to be that everyone knew what THE skirt length was, and being a half-inch too high or low was, not radical, but visible and dowdy. These days, whenever I hem up a ready-to-wear skirt, I have trouble figuring out what the proper skirt length is, or even if there is one, which there doesn't seem to be right now. (Which suits me, it saves me a fair amount of hemming. I often just wear the skirt longer.) So what I'm getting to is that historic reenactment was a very offbeat activity in the mid1960s, and partly because it required wearing seriously offbeat clothes. Furthermore, that it appealed to people who already liked wearing seriously offbeat clothes. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Something happened in the 1960s, and all these things, and Hippies, came out of it. They are only related by the fact that they were invented at about the same time. (And the fact that they all show up at Science Fiction conventions...) ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing
Perhaps, but if I were to describe a person involved in reenactment, I'd say that (a) they did it pretty regularly and (b) not as part of a theatrical performance. Fran I think it is difficult to determine what is Re-enactment and what is merely dressing up for an event or occasion. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: Milia Davenport (was Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, Ann Catelli wrote: Many of the brasses are not rubbings or photographs, And it really makes a difference. One of the brass images in Davenport (from King's Lynn, Norfolk -- either Braunche or Walsokne, I forget which she shows) has a crucial error in the decoration that makes part of one layer look like another. I thought it was an engraver error for years till I saw a real rubbing and realized that the error was by the person who did the drawing, not original to the brass. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing
Hi, All. Regarding the SCA, since it takes it's atmosphere and inspiration from the Victorian view of the Middle Ages, one can look back to the late Victorian period to see an event scheduled by gentlemen of leisure for a tournament to be ridden using original and copied armor. IIRC, the event never happened due to rain, but I do have photos of an armored jousting tournament being held in the 30s here in the Atlantic City NJ area in the old Convention Hall. I assume that, due to the cost, it was some sort of traveling entertainment that came to this area temporarily. There are no closeup views of the folks involved, so I can't see clothing, but due to the popularity of the Hollywood Medieval genre, I'm sure there were some additional cast members around wearing some costumes. Not exactly reenactment, so i don't think it counts, but... Mike T. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing/Victorian tournament
At 17:33 05/09/2005, you wrote: Hi, All. Regarding the SCA, since it takes it's atmosphere and inspiration from the Victorian view of the Middle Ages, one can look back to the late Victorian period to see an event scheduled by gentlemen of leisure for a tournament to be ridden using original and copied armor. IIRC, the event never happened due to rain, but I do have photos of an armored jousting tournament being held in the 30s here in the Atlantic City NJ area in the old Convention Hall. I assume that, due to the cost, it was some sort of traveling entertainment that came to this area temporarily. There are no closeup views of the folks involved, so I can't see clothing, but due to the popularity of the Hollywood Medieval genre, I'm sure there were some additional cast members around wearing some costumes. Not exactly reenactment, so i don't think it counts, but... Mike T. The tournament in Victorian times that Mike T. refers to is the Eglington Tournament which took place (or not!) in 1839. Albert, Queen Victoria's husband, was very interested in the medieval period, as were a number of people in England - hence all the Victorian Gothic architecture. If you want to read more about it, there is a book called The Knight and the Umbrella. I have some original costume designs/fashion plates from the tournament. Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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At 10:01 AM -0500 9/5/05, Susan B. Farmer wrote: Quoting otsisto [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -Original Message- SCA events in public parks draw non-costumed spectators too. * Usually, these are refered to as demos, fighter practice or recruitment(for lack of a better word). Events are usually something on a much more grander scale and normally is not posted to the regular public. Our two big tourneys are held at the group came at a local state park -- which is very much a public site. The spectators do watch the fighting from a distance -- many ask questions and some stay and feast with us (suitably garbed/tabarded of course). One year, one of the park rangers came, stayed and later joined. Unless your event is held on Private Property, if you at a visible part of State Park property (which is where many of our events are held), you have spectators. Yes, but in the case of SCA events, these general public spectators are an unintended (and unavoidable) accident, not a primary, intended part of the plan. SCA events are not put on for the benefit/entertainment of a non-participatory audience, while many other re-creation societies do put on their events purposefully for the benefit/entertainment of a non-participatory audience. (If the same SCA event that attracts an audience on public property were held on private property, there would be no audience -- while the civil war battle re-enactment will have an invited audience regardless of whether held on public or private property.) In short, SCA events are not a performance for an audience. Renaissance fairs and nearly all battle re-enactment societies' events are. And this difference profoundly affects the nature of these events and re-creations. Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing/Victorian tournament
On Mon, 5 Sep 2005, Suzi Clarke wrote: Eglington Tournament which took place (or not!) in 1839. Albert, Queen Victoria's husband, was very interested in the medieval period, as were a number of people in England - hence all the Victorian Gothic architecture. If you want to read more about it, there is a book called The Knight and the Umbrella. I have some original costume designs/fashion plates from the tournament. Another good account is in Mark Girouard's The Return to Camelot: Chivalry and the English Gentleman, which devotes a highly entertaining chapter to the Eglinton tournament. I frequently receommend the entire book as essential reading for SCA members and other medieval re-enactors -- it gives you a very good sense of just where many of our assumptions and impressions of the medieval period really come from, and how such disparate elements as the pre-Raphaelites, Victoria's costume balls, Gothic Revival architecture, and the Boy Scouts all fit into the thinking of the time. The Eglinton Tournament was a multi-day event; the procession and joust were to be open to the public, and this part is what got rained out. The participants, who were mostly guests of Lord Eglinton, went inside for a day or two to party, and then re-staged the tournament later (though most of the spectators were long gone). The ball and other events went as planned. Victoria and Albert were not involved in the Eglinton tournament; their Plantagent Costume Ball was a few years later. Girouard traces the various influences and events in a very readable fashion. --Robin ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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The primary purpose of the Renaissance Faires I've been to, is to sell things. They're big crafts fairs with exotic trimmings. Granted, they tend to have a stage or two where people are performing. Granted, many individual participants, particpate only to dress up and do their acts, either on stage or in the aisles, and have no interest in selling any material goods. Still, the primary purpose of the fair, the primary use of space, is for booths selling crafts and of course, food. I know many historic reenactment events also have booths where goods and food are sold. But in a Renaissance Faire sales is the primary purpose of the event. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com In short, SCA events are not a performance for an audience. Renaissance fairs and nearly all battle re-enactment societies' events are. And this difference profoundly affects the nature of these events and re-creations. Sharon ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing
Thank you Sharon, basically what I was trying to say. De Brain fogged -Original Message- Our two big tourneys are held at the group came at a local state park -- which is very much a public site. The spectators do watch the fighting from a distance -- many ask questions and some stay and feast with us (suitably garbed/tabarded of course). One year, one of the park rangers came, stayed and later joined. Unless your event is held on Private Property, if you at a visible part of State Park property (which is where many of our events are held), you have spectators. Yes, but in the case of SCA events, these general public spectators are an unintended (and unavoidable) accident, not a primary, intended part of the plan. SCA events are not put on for the benefit/entertainment of a non-participatory audience, while many other re-creation societies do put on their events purposefully for the benefit/entertainment of a non-participatory audience. (If the same SCA event that attracts an audience on public property were held on private property, there would be no audience -- while the civil war battle re-enactment will have an invited audience regardless of whether held on public or private property.) In short, SCA events are not a performance for an audience. Renaissance fairs and nearly all battle re-enactment societies' events are. And this difference profoundly affects the nature of these events and re-creations. Sharon -- Sharon Krossa, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resources for Scottish history, names, clothing, language more: Medieval Scotland - http://MedievalScotland.org/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing
It's always seemed to me that the SCA was there first, as an ongoing amateur reenactment organization. At least first in the US. Do you know what influence it's had on the formation of other reenactment groups, such as American Civil War, and American Revolution? I believe the Markland Medieval Mercenary Militia was formed in 1966 to reenact the battle of Hastings (1066). They began at the university of Maryland and eventually they and the SCA became acquainted. Markland has been going as a separate organization since it began. Likewise, American Civil War reenactment probably got popular for its centennial, in the 1960s. I had heard that veterans and enthusiasts got together before then. There are some Revolutionary War uniforms in collections that were made later for commemorations, perhaps 1876? While not necessarily reenactments, people were dressing up. I think the SCA influenced dressing up (and costume competitions) at science fiction and fantasy conventions, and also Live Action Role Playing (LARP). But the reenactment of American events grew on their own. Many of these events are held on or near property where the actual events occurred, and there is usually 21stC public visiting. This encouraged the idea of events as educational. Most SCA events are private - halls, parks and school property is rented for their use. American Revolution or Civil War groups will have private events, and generally each unit will have a meeting or party once or twice a year. My impression is that American Revolution or Civil War reenactment came to the west coast later, so the SCA was first in that area. But in the east it was already going on. -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing
Fran wrote, It's interesting that these also started in that mid-1960s period, whether there was any influence from the SCA or not. A sign of the times, then - the beginning of more activity in hobbies that are intense and not mainstream, yet they gained a good number of participants. True, but I was talking about the modern reenactment movement rather than, say, Victorian costume balls. I see the battle reenactments as being influenced by those, however, more than they were by the SCA. Most SCA events are private - halls, parks and school property is rented for their use. I wouldn't quite call that private . . . not like, say, a Victorian costume ball, or a modern party, where only friends are invited. I'd call it organizational. Anyone can join the SCA as far as I know. It used to be possible to attend events without being a member, but I don't know if that's still true. Private in the sense that everyone there is in costume as a participant. While people don't need to pay their dues to the SCA in order to attend, a requirement is that they wear an attempt at period costume. Many battle reenactments have spectators/visitors who are not costumed participants, and I think of those as public. With vintage dances, the ones I know of are advertised - anyone may attend. Often they are costume admired but not required, and some dancers will attend in 21stC suit and tie or dress. Some dance enthusiasts will throw a party that is truly private, as you describe, but then I don't think it would be considered reenactment at that point. I'm not sure of your meaning of Victorian costume balls - is it those held in the 19th century, or vintage dances now? -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing
Those held in the 19th century, which I see as the ancestors of some of today's reenactments. Many were truly private invitation-only events. A few people throw private at-home Victorian or other costumed dances today, particularly for things like theme weddings (another spin-off of reenactment IMO). But usually such events are public, buy-a-ticket, because they usually require renting a largish space. And I agree, people are often allowed to wear modern evening dress, although for some the attempt at a period costume is stipulated. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com I'm not sure of your meaning of Victorian costume balls - is it those held in the 19th century, or vintage dances now? -Carol ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing
- Original Message - From: Carol Kocian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing Likewise, American Civil War reenactment probably got popular for its centennial, in the 1960s. I had heard that veterans and enthusiasts got together before then. There are some Revolutionary War uniforms in collections that were made later for commemorations, perhaps 1876? While not necessarily reenactments, people were dressing up. My very first encounter with any kind of costuming (other than Halloween) was when South Lyon Michigan celebrated its Centennial in 1973--so I would have been 9 years old. There was a big celebration, and everyone dressed up. My mom sewed prairie dresses and sunbonnets for herself and we three girls, and I'm sure she made something for my dad, but the only thing I remember is that he grew a magnificent beard for the best beard contest and then shaved it off two weeks prior to the contest because it itched! I wish I still had that sunbonnet, I loved it. I was very into the Little House books at the time, so it was really neat to have an outfit like Laura's! I still have, somewhere, a pattern put out by one of the Big 3 for the Bicentennial--for a two-piece dress with a zipper! Ack! Dianne ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing
As far as I know, there were not any texts available for more accurate
patterns despite what the writer had said -- at least, not by our 21st
century standards -- but if some of you who were doing historical sewing
in the 60s knew of any, please do post!
Hill and Bucknell's The Evolution of Fashion was published in 1969. It was
intended for theatrical use rather than strict historical recreation, but
at least it came with patterns. I joined the SCA in 1971 and was an
anomaly because I already owned Davenport's costume book and tried to
recreate costumes from in there.
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Re: [h-cost] 1968 SCA views of medieval clothing
Norris's books were all under heavy pirated/photocopy circulation in the SCA for many years. Norah Waugh's books start a bit past SCA period but were all originally published from the mid 1960s to 1970. Janet Arnold's _/Patterns of Fashion 1: Englishwomen's Dresses and Their Construction 1660–1860_ also starts past SCA period but was published in the early 1970s. Despite the late dates, all Waugh's books and the Arnold one I mentioned were popular with serious SCA costumers from fairly early on. //Karl Kohler's _A History of Costume_ (with patterns) was first published in the 1920s and was reprinted by Dover as early as 1963. Whatever you think of the authenticity of these books, their intention is more serious than a brochure on constructing a beginning T-tunic just to look acceptable at events. I've never been a member of the SCA, but I've known quite a lot of them. Renaissance Faires, BTW, are another outgrowth of the hippie movement. //Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com / As far as I know, there were not any texts available for more accurate patterns despite what the writer had said -- at least, not by our 21st century standards -- but if some of you who were doing historical sewing in the 60s knew of any, please do post! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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Lavolta Press wrote: Whatever you think of the authenticity of these books, their intention is more serious than a brochure on constructing a beginning T-tunic just to look acceptable at events. Right you are. Thank you! -- Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent Such virtue hath my pen -Shakespeare, Sonnet 81 I knew this wasn't _my_ pen! --Cynthia Virtue ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I missed the first part of this thread but this caught my eye. In saying Renaissance Faires, BTW, are another outgrowth of the hippie movement. Fran I come to understand that you may be saying that SCA came out of the hippie movement. If I am understanding correctly, I would like to say that SCA was not an outgrowth of the hippie movement, it grew from a history club at Berkley. I will say that the clothing in the beginning and even today is a blend of historic and current style. The current style usually comes from those who are just getting started or couldn't care less about costuming and cared more of whatever arts or sciences they be interested in. In early SCA costuming information, books, pictures were few and far between. I remember when I joined in `81 a woman who had no costuming experience was telling me that this http://realmofvenus.renaissancewoman.net/wardrobe/VENETIANLADYDurer1495.jpg was a fantasy dress. A Victorian drawing of what was thought to have been worn. Oh yeah, and I was told that pink wasn't period.:P De my .2 ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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I come to understand that you may be saying that SCA came out of the hippie movement. If I am understanding correctly, I would like to say that SCA was not an outgrowth of the hippie movement, it grew from a history club at Berkley. I thought the fantasy author Marion Zimmer Bradley was supposed to have started it. Fran ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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The West Kingdom has a history page up. This link will take you to the origins of the SCA. http://history.westkingdom.org/Year0/index.htm There are numerous photos and such of the early days of the SCA available in some of the sections for looking at. I browse this page every once in a while. Jenne I thought the fantasy author Marion Zimmer Bradley was supposed to have started it. Fran ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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It's a very counterculture idea for the mid 1960s. Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com Cynthia Virtue wrote: I thought the fantasy author Marion Zimmer Bradley was supposed to have started it. She was part of it. The first SCA event was a goodbye party for someone going off to the Peace Corps(?), in Diana Listmaker's (Paxson, I think) back yard. A few months later MZB came up with the name when asked for a name to put down on the park reservation form. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
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It's my understanding that a little of each of these last two are
true. (As for the hippie connection, there's often an assumption that
anyone at Berkley in the late 60s must have been a hippie, but that's not
necessarily true. I suspect that hippie-ness, like most things, existed
on a spectrum).
There's a Daughters of the American Revolution chapter in Berkeley, so I'm
assuming a spectrum ;)
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'Sideless cotehardie' comes from Milia Davenport's book. Noticed the error right before I bought the book, because it is still one of the few books with that many contemporary-to-the-style pictures available. And at least some of the early fifteenth century pictures are from re-drawings, but you have to be wide-awake to recognize the sources. Ann in CT --- Cynthia Virtue wrote: A last detail: the writer calls a sideless surcoat a cotehardie. Cynthia Virtue and/or Cynthia du Pre Argent __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
