Re: [h-cost] tambour embroidery--more questions
Yes charlene, but you will learn eventually, be patiente. And by the way i could take one thread of the time out of a 5 meter skein, just use a lot of floorspace and hold your tongue in the center of your face :-) bjarne -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Paul and Charlene Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 2:10 AM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] tambour embroidery--more questions Bjarne, O.K. I have it now. You don't have to move the whole frame, just the circular part--still a pain. As Claudine suggested, I will clamp my frame to the table. Mine did not come with clamps but they are easy enough to find in a hardware store.. And it's floche #16 for the whitework and two strands of ordinary embroidery floss for the coloured work. I can just see that getting snagged in the needle! It will also be a chore getting the two strands separated from the skein. You must cut fairly short lengths to accomplish this. I shall give each a try. Many thanks for all the suggestions. Charlene Roberts ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] tambour embroidery--more questions
I managed without, but also thoaght about buying a coupple of screws to fasten the frame to the table, dont know the english name for such schrews. You could baste the superflous fabric together to make it easyer, i managed without, also because my fabric is very light and therefore is easy to fold together. I turn the frame every time it is nescesary, cant tambour backwords, so yes, this is also why the frame is made easy to turn. Unfortunately i dont recal what kind of dmc thread i have used, and i am on holliday in Portugal right now, but when i get back to Denmark, i shall tell you. I also found that tightly twisted threads are the best ones to use, there are manny kinds of crotcheting threads to use, the threads dmc makes for fine crocheting is ideal i think. I also had difficulties with the threads, because i wanted to use my silk floss threads, i can use these now, but i could not when i started, so you will experience that the better you get, the easyer you can use a variety of threads. You must be very patiente, takes a little time to learn. And if you have seen period tambour work, you will notice that it is very fine threads and very tiny stitches used. I used the medium sized needle, wich came with the hook. Bjarne -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Paul and Charlene Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 8:31 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] tambour embroidery--more questions Bjarne, My tambour frame arrived from Lacis and that has brought up some more questions. I find it slippery and think I need to put something on the bottom of the wood stand to keep it from moving around when I am working. When you are working on a piece of fabric that is large when you are tamouring around the dress hem, do you pin or baste the rest of thefabric to keep it from getting in the way? Do you turn the frame when doing the flowers or do you just get used to tambouring in any direction without moving the frame? I tried experimenting with many different kinds of threads. I found it is important to have the right needle(I used the largest needle) size to prevent snaging the threads. I also found that tightly woven threads work best. My best attempts have been with sewing thread size 50. I would like to use a thread a bit thicker so that it shows up better. You said you used DMC threads. Could you tell me which size and the name of the DMCthread--there are so many? I tried #12 crochet cotton and that seemed to work somewhat ok. Thank you Bjarne. Charlene Roberts ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] tambour embroidery--more questions
Bjarne, Thank you for answering my questions even though you are away on holidays. In regards to the frame moving on the table, screwing it down would make it most difficult to turn when necessary. I thought of perhaps glueing felt to the bottom and placing it on a table with a board covered in felt. That way it would not move as easily. That is really the least of my worries until I master the technique. I also had difficulties with the threads, because i wanted to use my silk floss threads Is that the stranded Eterna or the mini twist that you wish to try? And if you have seen period tambour work, you will notice that it is very fine threads and very tiny stitches used. Oh yes. I have a GREAT appreciation for period tambour work now that I have tried tambour. I am happy just to get a chain going without catching the fabric or the thread. Tiny stitches will come later--maybe!! I used the medium sized needle, wich came with the hook. I originally purchased my hook from Lacis which came with three needle sizes. I was told at the tambour course that I took that the needle in the Lacis tambour hook should not be sticking out as far and to drill the hole a bit deeper. I purchased another hook from the tambour teacher with the right depth but find that I cannot use the Lacis needles as they are not slim enough to fit into the opening. Thanks Bjarne. Look forward to hearing about your DMC threads after you return home. Charlene Roberts ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] tambour embroidery--more questions
I dont understand that you say it would be difficult to move the direction when it is screwed to the table, you can put the round frame into the holders in any position you like, without screwing it, the holders catches it without you have to schrew!'' Bjarne -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Paul and Charlene Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 4:08 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] tambour embroidery--more questions Bjarne, Thank you for answering my questions even though you are away on holidays. In regards to the frame moving on the table, screwing it down would make it most difficult to turn when necessary. I thought of perhaps glueing felt to the bottom and placing it on a table with a board covered in felt. That way it would not move as easily. That is really the least of my worries until I master the technique. I also had difficulties with the threads, because i wanted to use my silk floss threads Is that the stranded Eterna or the mini twist that you wish to try? And if you have seen period tambour work, you will notice that it is very fine threads and very tiny stitches used. Oh yes. I have a GREAT appreciation for period tambour work now that I have tried tambour. I am happy just to get a chain going without catching the fabric or the thread. Tiny stitches will come later--maybe!! I used the medium sized needle, wich came with the hook. I originally purchased my hook from Lacis which came with three needle sizes. I was told at the tambour course that I took that the needle in the Lacis tambour hook should not be sticking out as far and to drill the hole a bit deeper. I purchased another hook from the tambour teacher with the right depth but find that I cannot use the Lacis needles as they are not slim enough to fit into the opening. Thanks Bjarne. Look forward to hearing about your DMC threads after you return home. Charlene Roberts ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] tambour embroidery--more questions
Forgot one of your questions, sorry, Yes i wanted to use eterna stranded with 1 thread. I have used the smallest needle to tambour on a silk taffeta, and i didnt have any problems with that. I guess its wich feeling you have to it. Bjarne -Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Paul and Charlene Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 4:08 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] tambour embroidery--more questions Bjarne, Thank you for answering my questions even though you are away on holidays. In regards to the frame moving on the table, screwing it down would make it most difficult to turn when necessary. I thought of perhaps glueing felt to the bottom and placing it on a table with a board covered in felt. That way it would not move as easily. That is really the least of my worries until I master the technique. I also had difficulties with the threads, because i wanted to use my silk floss threads Is that the stranded Eterna or the mini twist that you wish to try? And if you have seen period tambour work, you will notice that it is very fine threads and very tiny stitches used. Oh yes. I have a GREAT appreciation for period tambour work now that I have tried tambour. I am happy just to get a chain going without catching the fabric or the thread. Tiny stitches will come later--maybe!! I used the medium sized needle, wich came with the hook. I originally purchased my hook from Lacis which came with three needle sizes. I was told at the tambour course that I took that the needle in the Lacis tambour hook should not be sticking out as far and to drill the hole a bit deeper. I purchased another hook from the tambour teacher with the right depth but find that I cannot use the Lacis needles as they are not slim enough to fit into the opening. Thanks Bjarne. Look forward to hearing about your DMC threads after you return home. Charlene Roberts ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] tambour embroidery--more questions
HI Charlene, I have a tambour hoop from Lacis, and when I got it I also got a screw clamp, similar to this: http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1v/R-10053/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1storeId=10051catalogId=10053 so that I can clamp the base of the stand to a work table (I only have one clamp, and think 2 will work better, given the width of the stand). Also, my hoop can be removed from the base, so rotating the work only requires rotating the hoop, not the hoop and the stand. Claudine ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] tambour embroidery--more questions
Hi Charlene, I just went down shopping in one of the embroidery shops here on Madeira, and i found out the thread. I use (for the whitework) DMC no. 16 it comes in 10 grammes skeins. For the regency dress i made i used the ordinary multicolloured strands, and i used 2 strands of thread. Hope this helps. Bjarne Oprindelig meddelelse- From: Paul and Charlene Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2011 8:31 PM To: Historical Costume Subject: Re: [h-cost] tambour embroidery--more questions Bjarne, My tambour frame arrived from Lacis and that has brought up some more questions. I find it slippery and think I need to put something on the bottom of the wood stand to keep it from moving around when I am working. When you are working on a piece of fabric that is large when you are tamouring around the dress hem, do you pin or baste the rest of thefabric to keep it from getting in the way? Do you turn the frame when doing the flowers or do you just get used to tambouring in any direction without moving the frame? I tried experimenting with many different kinds of threads. I found it is important to have the right needle(I used the largest needle) size to prevent snaging the threads. I also found that tightly woven threads work best. My best attempts have been with sewing thread size 50. I would like to use a thread a bit thicker so that it shows up better. You said you used DMC threads. Could you tell me which size and the name of the DMCthread--there are so many? I tried #12 crochet cotton and that seemed to work somewhat ok. Thank you Bjarne. Charlene Roberts ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] tambour embroidery--more questions
Bjarne, O.K. I have it now. You don't have to move the whole frame, just the circular part--still a pain. As Claudine suggested, I will clamp my frame to the table. Mine did not come with clamps but they are easy enough to find in a hardware store.. And it's floche #16 for the whitework and two strands of ordinary embroidery floss for the coloured work. I can just see that getting snagged in the needle! It will also be a chore getting the two strands separated from the skein. You must cut fairly short lengths to accomplish this. I shall give each a try. Many thanks for all the suggestions. Charlene Roberts ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] tambour embroidery--more questions
Bjarne, My tambour frame arrived from Lacis and that has brought up some more questions. I find it slippery and think I need to put something on the bottom of the wood stand to keep it from moving around when I am working. When you are working on a piece of fabric that is large when you are tamouring around the dress hem, do you pin or baste the rest of thefabric to keep it from getting in the way? Do you turn the frame when doing the flowers or do you just get used to tambouring in any direction without moving the frame? I tried experimenting with many different kinds of threads. I found it is important to have the right needle(I used the largest needle) size to prevent snaging the threads. I also found that tightly woven threads work best. My best attempts have been with sewing thread size 50. I would like to use a thread a bit thicker so that it shows up better. You said you used DMC threads. Could you tell me which size and the name of the DMCthread--there are so many? I tried #12 crochet cotton and that seemed to work somewhat ok. Thank you Bjarne. Charlene Roberts ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] tambour embroidery thread?
Hi Bjarne, Lacis has a lot of tools: http://www.lacis.com/catalog/search.php and elegant stitch: http://www.elegantstitch.com/special.htm lists a variety of silk threads for tambour so I think you're on the right track. I'd love to learn how to do this type of needlework, but it's down a bit on my list ;) Good luck and I can't wait to see what you make next! Chris Bjarne og Leif Drews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, For long i had given up to make tambour embroidery because i couldnt make it. But actually i couldnt make it because i used the wrong thread. When trying succesfully, i used ordinary sewing silk, and it worked for me. Now i just wondered, those of you who do tambour embroidery, do you have any favourite thread to use, and where could i get this? I prefer silk as you know. Many thanks. Bjarne Leif og Bjarne Drews www.my-drewscostumes.dk http://home0.inet.tele.dk/drewscph/ ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: [h-cost] Tambour embroidery
At 18:31 02/10/2005, you wrote: Tambour: You have for a background cloth a loose weave or netted material that is pulled taught. Your crochet hook should be small enough that it inserts and returns with thread without much difficulty. Either side of the chainstitch w/out beads can be used. Ah, okay, that makes sense. My needlework encyclopedia uses the looped side. It doesn't show how to do tambour beading, but it shows how to fill spaces with tambour stitches, and they use the looped side as the right side. I think that's how it was done in the Empire period. Or maybe they did both? I have to go back and re-examine closeups I have of Empire era works, see which is the right side... I have part of a waistcoat, which I believe is French, which is tambour embroidered, with the chain stitch side on the top side of the fabric. You can see it in close-up as the background to my fotopic site. http://suziclarke4384.fotopic.net/ Suzi ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tambour embroidery
I'm confused about the beads---my understanding of tambour embroidery is that basically you produce a chain stitch. Where do beads come into the picture? ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
[h-cost] Tambour embroidery
I'm wondering just what *is* tambour embroidery. I have a series of needles in assorted sizes that I can put into a handle, run thread through the needle and up the hollow body of the handle and do what I was told was punch embroidery or Russian embroidery. I also have a tambour hook. It looks like a crochet hook on a solid wooden handle but has a vicious point on the head of it. I don't see where the thread would go with this one. I thought it was worked from the wrong side of the fabric and the thread (and beads) run across the front of the fabric. You make chain stitched on the wrong side that's facing you. Which is what? And is either one found before 1600? Thanks Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tambour embroidery
And there's the thing, Julie. You're managing the fabric, placement of the vicious hook which is just big enough to get stuck on threads while going back through the fabric, the thread (separate from the hook) in your left hand, and the beads. that's what makes it so hard for my brain. I can't juggle all those things at once. You're right about the chain stitched on the wrong side of the fabric, which is facing you. You have the thread and most of the beads on top of the fabric and just the extra thread and some beads below while working. You learn with practice to rotate the hook just right so it gets through the fabric without catching, but it takes a bit of practice, like crochet with a fish hook. The size of the hook used is dependent on the weave of the ground cloth. We used a really tiny hook while working on netting; we used a larger one while working on linen and the largest size while working on osnaburg. Contrary to logic, neither the larger hook nor the smallest hook was easier to use. You know how one is taught to crochet using a large hook with fat yarn; that logic doesn't help here. i just reread what I wrote. Very negative. I had a terrible time with tambour. I was only one person in a class of 8-10; most everyone else managed to learn and enjoy the process. I only learned it. LynnD On 9/29/05, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering just what *is* tambour embroidery. I have a series of needles in assorted sizes that I can put into a handle, run thread through the needle and up the hollow body of the handle and do what I was told was punch embroidery or Russian embroidery. I also have a tambour hook. It looks like a crochet hook on a solid wooden handle but has a vicious point on the head of it. I don't see where the thread would go with this one. I thought it was worked from the wrong side of the fabric and the thread (and beads) run across the front of the fabric. You make chain stitched on the wrong side that's facing you. Which is what? And is either one found before 1600? Thanks Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tambour embroidery
I didn't take a class, but did attempt to do some tambour using instructions from a book I purchased at Lacis. I too am usually adept at such work, good with my hands and patient at handwork. I found tambour exceedingly difficult, was very unhappy with my progress and eventually abandoned the project in favor of hand beading. I may try again, but it's really difficult, at least for me. It's oddly reassuring to hear a similar story. angela + Angela F. Lazear Cabbage Rose Costumes www.cabbagerosecostumes.com Theatrical Costume Design Love all, trust a few, do wrong to none: be able for thine enemy rather in power than use, and keep thy friend under thy own life's key: be checked for silence, but never taxed for speech... W. Shakespeare - Original Message - From: Lynn Downward [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Historical Costume [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [h-cost] Tambour embroidery And there's the thing, Julie. You're managing the fabric, placement of the vicious hook which is just big enough to get stuck on threads while going back through the fabric, the thread (separate from the hook) in your left hand, and the beads. that's what makes it so hard for my brain. I can't juggle all those things at once. You're right about the chain stitched on the wrong side of the fabric, which is facing you. You have the thread and most of the beads on top of the fabric and just the extra thread and some beads below while working. You learn with practice to rotate the hook just right so it gets through the fabric without catching, but it takes a bit of practice, like crochet with a fish hook. The size of the hook used is dependent on the weave of the ground cloth. We used a really tiny hook while working on netting; we used a larger one while working on linen and the largest size while working on osnaburg. Contrary to logic, neither the larger hook nor the smallest hook was easier to use. You know how one is taught to crochet using a large hook with fat yarn; that logic doesn't help here. i just reread what I wrote. Very negative. I had a terrible time with tambour. I was only one person in a class of 8-10; most everyone else managed to learn and enjoy the process. I only learned it. LynnD On 9/29/05, Julie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm wondering just what *is* tambour embroidery. I have a series of needles in assorted sizes that I can put into a handle, run thread through the needle and up the hollow body of the handle and do what I was told was punch embroidery or Russian embroidery. I also have a tambour hook. It looks like a crochet hook on a solid wooden handle but has a vicious point on the head of it. I don't see where the thread would go with this one. I thought it was worked from the wrong side of the fabric and the thread (and beads) run across the front of the fabric. You make chain stitched on the wrong side that's facing you. Which is what? And is either one found before 1600? Thanks Julie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tambour embroidery
I've found sites who sell tambour embroidery kits, but none that supply instructions. I'm not looking for anything extensive, just a basic guide would be fine... Have you tried your local library for a book on it? A big embroidery bible may include such things. I knowso low tech...but you may have better luck there than on the Internet. Libraries around here are... well... full of cooking and gardening books, but not much else. Ah, and candle and soapmaking too. I'd have to go to the Central library, but all I wanted was a quick look :-) Not worth the travel time unless I actually plan to *do* some tambour embroidery at some point :-) BUT you've just reminded me that I've got an Encyclopedia of Needlework... there's about 2 pages on tambour embroidery, not very clear, but better than nothing! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: [h-cost] Tambour embroidery
HI, Audrey, I took a class on tambour last fall. It seemed that the most important thing to remember is that the fabric MUST, MUST, *MUST* be taut all around, more so than any other embroidery you've ever done. You will work with one hand above and one hand below your fabric. You load up your thread with the beads and you crochet a chain stitch through the fabric, with the beads underneath. Sounds simple, eh? NO, the beads try to fall out as you work, the hook - as small as it is - tries to stick into the fabric always in the wrong place. I spent the day learning, the evening practicing and at bedtime, I put the project away and never went back to it. Now, if I had given it a fair chance I might be still doing the work. Others in the class did some lovely work. I'm pretty clever with my hands; I can learn things fairly easily, but not tambour work. I think I went too quickly from working with the thread to the beaded thread --- trying to run before I really got that balance thing worked out while I was walking. It was all me who couldn't get it right; the teacher was good and patient. My friend got quite fast with her work andd swears by tambour for both embroidery and for beading, but I will continue to slog away and bead with a needle the old-fashioned way. Lacis sells the tambour hooks and I'm pretty sure they have books on the subject. Maybe check with their website and then go looking elsewhere for used copies of the books??? Best wishes, LynnD On 9/28/05, Audrey Bergeron-Morin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've found sites who sell tambour embroidery kits, but none that supply instructions. I'm not looking for anything extensive, just a basic guide would be fine... Have you tried your local library for a book on it? A big embroidery bible may include such things. I knowso low tech...but you may have better luck there than on the Internet. Libraries around here are... well... full of cooking and gardening books, but not much else. Ah, and candle and soapmaking too. I'd have to go to the Central library, but all I wanted was a quick look :-) Not worth the travel time unless I actually plan to *do* some tambour embroidery at some point :-) BUT you've just reminded me that I've got an Encyclopedia of Needlework... there's about 2 pages on tambour embroidery, not very clear, but better than nothing! ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
