Re: victorian wedding clothes, was [h-cost] Another film costume rant
Reading this thread, and the questions about necklines and sleeves, I wonder did it have any effect that a wedding dress is made for going to church, in the first place? Even quite recently, many people would frown upon a wedding dress that was off the shoulder or sleeveless - it might be covered up with a shawl or bolero jacket for the ceremony, and then uncovered for the reception. What was the dress code for church in Victorian times - I suspect it was much more severe in middle and lower classes, but what could an upper-class bride get away with? Jean Penny Ladnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Albert Cat, I have etiquette books from the later part of the Victorian period. They suggest that the bride wear her wearing dress for the first year after the wedding. She is to wear to special events. My grandmother married in 1901 and had a nice white wedding dress. She wore it church frequently. BTW, she was of modest means. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume -- Jean Waddie ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: victorian wedding clothes, was [h-cost] Another film costume rant
I wore an off the shoulder wedding gown in 1978 in a Baptist church. No one frowned upon it. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: victorian wedding clothes, was [h-cost] Another film costume rant
In a message dated 1/4/2007 1:01:41 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Two programmes on British TV over Christmas showed Victorian brides in sleeveless dresses. One was the film of Nicholas Nickleby, the other a version of Dracula. Dammit, you wear DAY clothes to a wedding! (or used to.) I thought that too, however in my most recent research project covering the elliptical hoop though the early bustle (1865-1874) a noticeable percentage of wedding dresses were in the evening dress style. No more then 25%, but a noticeable percentage anyway. -sunny ** Perhaps 25% of brides were getting married in the evening instead of during the day. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: victorian wedding clothes, was [h-cost] Another film costume rant
In a message dated 1/4/2007 11:29:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps 25% of brides were getting married in the evening instead of during the day. * I didn't mean that to sound as snarky as it doesforgive me. But it does make me think Where might the bride be going after the wedding? To the train station to commence the honeymoon? To a big whoop-de-do dinner after the ceremony? How might that affect things? It's not 'til like the 1830's that special wedding dresses come into play in the 1st place, isn't it? Remember in Age of Innocence [1870's] it was expected that May should again wear her wedding dress at least once in the 1st year of marriage. She wears it to the opera, so it was no day dress. For Nicholas Nickleby the idea of a sleeveless dress for any occasion at all is strange. Was this the film that came out a couple of years ago. That thing had some of the worst, laziest costuming I've ever seen! The 8 hour stage production on film from the 1980's has much superior costumes. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: victorian wedding clothes, was [h-cost] Another film costume rant
I often wondered the same thing. My dad is the curator of a very small south texas town museum. There are a few victorian wedding dresses in there and they are not of the same design. I took pictures but the glass they have on there is very reflective and they did not come out well. My favorite has a tulle that is beaded over laying the dress ... it is just beautiful. I will throw up the pictures if anyone wants to see them. Just let me know. Chiara On Thu, January 4, 2007 10:44 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: In a message dated 1/4/2007 11:29:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps 25% of brides were getting married in the evening instead of during the day. * I didn't mean that to sound as snarky as it doesforgive me. But it does make me think Where might the bride be going after the wedding? To the train station to commence the honeymoon? To a big whoop-de-do dinner after the ceremony? How might that affect things? It's not 'til like the 1830's that special wedding dresses come into play in the 1st place, isn't it? Remember in Age of Innocence [1870's] it was expected that May should again wear her wedding dress at least once in the 1st year of marriage. She wears it to the opera, so it was no day dress. For Nicholas Nickleby the idea of a sleeveless dress for any occasion at all is strange. Was this the film that came out a couple of years ago. That thing had some of the worst, laziest costuming I've ever seen! The 8 hour stage production on film from the 1980's has much superior costumes. ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: victorian wedding clothes, was [h-cost] Another film costume rant
Albert Cat, I have etiquette books from the later part of the Victorian period. They suggest that the bride wear her wearing dress for the first year after the wedding. She is to wear to special events. My grandmother married in 1901 and had a nice white wedding dress. She wore it church frequently. BTW, she was of modest means. Penny Ladnier, Owner, The Costume Gallery Websites www.costumegallery.com www.costumelibrary.com www.costumeclassroom.com www.costumeencyclopedia.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: victorian wedding clothes, was [h-cost] Another film costume rant
Penny Ladnier wrote: Albert Cat, I have etiquette books from the later part of the Victorian period. They suggest that the bride wear her wearing dress for the first year after the wedding. She is to wear to special events. Yes, but often as an evening dress, and not necessarily in the same form as when used as a wedding dress. It was not uncommon to make the wedding dress so that it could easily be transformed into an evening dress either permanently or at will (removable parts). Fran Lavolta Press http://www.lavoltapress.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
RE: victorian wedding clothes, was [h-cost] Another film costume rant
Two programmes on British TV over Christmas showed Victorian brides in sleeveless dresses. One was the film of Nicholas Nickleby, the other a version of Dracula. Dammit, you wear DAY clothes to a wedding! (or used to.) I thought that too, however in my most recent research project covering the elliptical hoop though the early bustle (1865-1874) a noticeable percentage of wedding dresses were in the evening dress style. No more then 25%, but a noticeable percentage anyway. -sunny ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
Re: victorian wedding clothes, was [h-cost] Another film costume rant
Two programmes on British TV over Christmas showed Victorian brides in sleeveless dresses. One was the film of Nicholas Nickleby, the other a version of Dracula. Dammit, you wear DAY clothes to a wedding! (or used to.) I thought that too, however in my most recent research project covering the elliptical hoop though the early bustle (1865-1874) a noticeable percentage of wedding dresses were in the evening dress style. No more then 25%, but a noticeable percentage anyway. I found it's usually respectable middle class that wears day dress (and probably working class too as I suspect there wasn't much opportunity to go to the opera or the odd ball) and the aristocracy could wear off the shoulder and the like. I was mostly looking at 1870s and 1880s there. Most of the brides on the Musee McCorde site are wearing clothing to the neck. None of the fashion plates show the lower necked style for weddings (though there are rather more open necks for day wear.) Michaela de Bruce http://glittersweet.com ___ h-costume mailing list h-costume@mail.indra.com http://mail.indra.com/mailman/listinfo/h-costume
