Re: [Hampshire] Help! I'm buying a laptop.
Hi Tim, One thing I have noticed from the Tesco pics, one laptop has what appears to be VGA out while the other has HDMI. I mention this if you are going to connect into someone's projector (for your presentations). Also, with amusement, Tesco indicate the Asus comes with 802.11b ! Bob. -- Bob Beattie Senior Technical Support Engineer Camera Development Systems, MP RD, Nokia Southwood, UK Tel : +44 (0)1252 866452 www.nokia.com -- -Original Message- From: hampshire-boun...@mailman.lug.org.uk [mailto:hampshire-boun...@mailman.lug.org.uk] On Behalf Of ext Tim Brocklehurst Sent: 11 January 2012 22:25 To: hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Subject: [Hampshire] Help! I'm buying a laptop. Hi guys! I realise I haven't posted anything on the list for ages, and that most of you will think that's a good thing. However, I need a little help... For a while now I have thought that my 2.4GHz P4 has been a little underpowered, and was considering replacing it with a big desktop rig. However, I now find myself reasoning thus: I am going to be doing more mobile computing, presentations etc. A laptop is more useful for mobile development (ie. at LUG Meets). A laptop is still going to be several times faster than my current desktop. Unfortunately, I don't have limitless money. Consequently, I'm after the best bang for my buck, and here's the problem. Having identified two laptops (below) which look good, and are a sensible price, how does one choose between them when all the information available (benchmarks and user reviews) seem to be either sketchy or very similar (and sometimes wildly different for no adequately explored reason). Therefore, if anyone has either of these laptops, could you run the Byte benchmark for me, over 1,2,3 and 4 copies? If not, does anyone have any general advice? Toshiba L750D-14F (AMD A6-3400, 6GB Ram) http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.215-7397.aspx ASUS K53SC-SX307V (Intel Core i5-2430, 4GB RAM) http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.213-9815.aspx Byte Unix Benchmark v5.1.3 http://code.google.com/p/byte-unixbench/ For reference, Byte records the following speed indexes for my current machines (overall results): Copies/Threads 1 2 3 4 TS7550 - ARM9 SBC 15.6 Pentium 4 - 2.4GHz 447.3 Intel Atom D525 (Server)389.7 637.7 698.0 770.1 Yes, that does mean that my server is quicker than my desktop on well-threaded tasks for about 1/3 of the power consumption (educated guess). The TS7550 is an intentionally low-power system, so the low result is not surprising. Any help would be much appreciated, Tim B. -- OpenPilot - Open-source Marine Chart Plotter openDynamics - Open-source Vessel Motions Calculation Lead Developer http://openpilot.sourceforge.net http://opendynamics.engineering.selfip.org -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Help! I'm buying a laptop.
One thing I have noticed from the Tesco pics, one laptop has what appears Also, with amusement, Tesco indicate the Asus comes with 802.11b ! Bob. Thanks, Bob, nice catch. The VGA output certainly swings the balance in favour of the Toshiba. I'm not too worried about wireless, It's a nice to have, but nothing that I'm going to lose any sleep over. The VGA port also allows a second monitor for on-desk use, so that is good. This will mostly replace my desktop for a few years, but not completely as I said in another post. Backup of data is no problem; and I'll only store what I'm actually working on on the laptop anyway. I am also considering swapping the HDD for a solid-state drive that I have, and a possible RAM upgrade, to take full advantage of the multi-channel memory bus, if it's not already fully utilised. However, these are minor changes that I'm used to making! Cheers, Tim B. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Help! I'm buying a laptop.
For what it's worth, everyone I know who's bought either E-Systems or E-Machines branded kit (laptops and desktops) has had reliability troubles. Bargain bucket pricing means bargain bucket build quality. RC On 12 January 2012 02:18, Michael Daffin james1...@gmail.com wrote: These days I don't think it makes much difference, for general computing, which you go for... unless you have something that needs a more beefy computer (like gaming, image/video editing). But either way it mostly depends on what you want out of it. I will say that one of the most important things when deciding is what manufacture made it ^^ but both Toshiba and ASUS I have found very reliable. Also, think carefully about fully replacing your desktop entirely :) both have a 15 screen, which can be quite small if your use to larger and the keyboard and mice can get annoying for intense use (though this is down to personal preference, its just something to make note of). Personally I like having a very powerful desktop (which are generally have a better cost to performance ratio and easier to upgrade) and a low spec'd laptop for when I cannot use my desktop (which is quite often). One hidden advantage of not relying on a laptop is that its not a huge loss (assuming its all back up properly) when it gets damaged/lost/stolen, which laptops have a tendency to do more often then desktops. And as for benchmarking, it highly depends on what you want to do as different computer will come out top on different benchmarks... I find they are only useful if your looking at a particular aspect (ie you want to know how good it is for doing X and only really X). Just for comparison, I have a ASUS 1018p 10 netbook [1] as my mobile computer, and find it is capable of doing just about everything I need it to when away from my desktop. This includes programming and compiling, even running the occasional virtual machine. The only think I found it lacking in is its graphical capability which is more then made up for by it being small, light-weight and having large battery life. But then this is what I generally want I want from a laptop. But what ever you decide to do, make sure its if from a trusted manufacture, can do what you need it to and you cannot really go wrong :) Michael Daffin. [1] http://uk.asus.com/Eee/Eee_PC/Eee_PC_1018P/ -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Rgds RC Robin Catling Full Circle Podcast -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Help! I'm buying a laptop.
My wife had an eMachines PC many years ago that was very unstable - USB/sound only working periodically. Unsurprisingly in hindsight a few months later the PSU blew up and took out the motherboard, RAM and CPU with it. HDD survived, thankfully! I wouldn't trust them again after that. Benjie. On 12 Jan 2012, at 17:15, Full Circle Podcast wrote: For what it's worth, everyone I know who's bought either E-Systems or E-Machines branded kit (laptops and desktops) has had reliability troubles. Bargain bucket pricing means bargain bucket build quality. RC On 12 January 2012 02:18, Michael Daffin james1...@gmail.com wrote: These days I don't think it makes much difference, for general computing, which you go for... unless you have something that needs a more beefy computer (like gaming, image/video editing). But either way it mostly depends on what you want out of it. I will say that one of the most important things when deciding is what manufacture made it ^^ but both Toshiba and ASUS I have found very reliable. Also, think carefully about fully replacing your desktop entirely :) both have a 15 screen, which can be quite small if your use to larger and the keyboard and mice can get annoying for intense use (though this is down to personal preference, its just something to make note of). Personally I like having a very powerful desktop (which are generally have a better cost to performance ratio and easier to upgrade) and a low spec'd laptop for when I cannot use my desktop (which is quite often). One hidden advantage of not relying on a laptop is that its not a huge loss (assuming its all back up properly) when it gets damaged/lost/stolen, which laptops have a tendency to do more often then desktops. And as for benchmarking, it highly depends on what you want to do as different computer will come out top on different benchmarks... I find they are only useful if your looking at a particular aspect (ie you want to know how good it is for doing X and only really X). Just for comparison, I have a ASUS 1018p 10 netbook [1] as my mobile computer, and find it is capable of doing just about everything I need it to when away from my desktop. This includes programming and compiling, even running the occasional virtual machine. The only think I found it lacking in is its graphical capability which is more then made up for by it being small, light-weight and having large battery life. But then this is what I generally want I want from a laptop. But what ever you decide to do, make sure its if from a trusted manufacture, can do what you need it to and you cannot really go wrong :) Michael Daffin. [1] http://uk.asus.com/Eee/Eee_PC/Eee_PC_1018P/ -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Rgds RC Robin Catling Full Circle Podcast -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Help! I'm buying a laptop.
** Full Circle Podcast fullcirclepodc...@googlemail.com [2012-01-12 17:19]: For what it's worth, everyone I know who's bought either E-Systems or E-Machines branded kit (laptops and desktops) has had reliability troubles. Bargain bucket pricing means bargain bucket build quality. ** end quote [Full Circle Podcast] On a related note, does anyone have any experience of the laptops sold by Novatech? I'm considering whether to use them for a no-OS installed laptop to put Linux on, so if anyone knows of hardware issues with any current ones, or build quality issues - or perhaps how easy it is to get replacement batteries for them when the time comes. -- Paul Tansom | Aptanet Ltd. | http://www.aptanet.com/ | 023 9238 0001 == Registered in England | Company No: 4905028 | Registered Office: Crawford House, Hambledon Road, Denmead, Waterlooville, Hants, PO7 6NU -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
[Hampshire] Android VPN clients
OK, I've finally taken the plunge and jumped on the Android smartphone bandwaggon - thanks for all the suggestions, I went for something completely different when the economics of contracts came into play! Anyway, having played with it for a while I am now looking for a VPN client that will hook into a Linux based VPN (specifically that used by DD-WRT which I now run on an old Virgin supplied D-Link router I picked up of Freegle and reflashed). Most seem to talk about rooting the device which I haven't read up on. It sounds like fun, but I've no idea how it impacts warranty, etc. having not read up on it yet! -- Paul Tansom | Aptanet Ltd. | http://www.aptanet.com/ | 023 9238 0001 == Registered in England | Company No: 4905028 | Registered Office: Crawford House, Hambledon Road, Denmead, Waterlooville, Hants, PO7 6NU -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Android VPN clients
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 17:32, Paul Tansom p...@aptanet.com wrote: OK, I've finally taken the plunge and jumped on the Android smartphone bandwaggon - thanks for all the suggestions, I went for something completely different when the economics of contracts came into play! Anyway, having played with it for a while I am now looking for a VPN client that will hook into a Linux based VPN (specifically that used by DD-WRT which I now run on an old Virgin supplied D-Link router I picked up of Freegle and reflashed). Most seem to talk about rooting the device which I haven't read up on. It sounds like fun, but I've no idea how it impacts warranty, etc. having not read up on it yet! As far as I'm aware rooting your device will void any warranty. Onto to the question, my galaxy-s2 has PPTP and L2TP or L2TP/IPSec vpn capability as part of the OS (Android 2.3.5). It can be configured through Settings-Wireless and Network-VPN settings. -- Regards, The Honeymonster aka Daniel Llewellyn -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Android VPN clients
On 12 January 2012 17:32, Paul Tansom p...@aptanet.com wrote: Anyway, having played with it for a while I am now looking for a VPN client that will hook into a Linux based VPN (specifically that used by DD-WRT which I now run on an old Virgin supplied D-Link router I picked up of Freegle and reflashed). I connect to my home router (a Draytek) and an office Netgear using the standard Android VPN connection in Settings|WirelessNetwork. Does the built-in client not work for you? -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Help! I'm buying a laptop.
On a related note, does anyone have any experience of the laptops sold by Novatech? I've got a couple in my repair pile. That's not sufficient to say anything meaningful, but I don't see any common problems (like I sometimes do with certain other manufacturers). build quality issues They're good enough. Not bomb-proof, but not especially fragile either (except that some of the top shells are a bit thin, so do not allow small children to stand on them). or perhaps how easy it is to get replacement batteries for them when the time comes. Dead easy - they're all Uniwill machines rebadged as Novatech. You can pick up very cheap batteries from eBay, as long as you don't mind them failing in short order... Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Android VPN clients
Anyway, having played with it for a while I am now looking for a VPN client The others have addressed VPN functionality within Android, but that's not quite how I do it. I use ConnectBot to set up a SSH tunnel to my server, and route various protocols over that. It doesn't require root access :-) Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Android VPN clients
** Daniel Llewellyn diddle...@gmail.com [2012-01-12 17:40]: On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 17:32, Paul Tansom p...@aptanet.com wrote: OK, I've finally taken the plunge and jumped on the Android smartphone bandwaggon - thanks for all the suggestions, I went for something completely different when the economics of contracts came into play! Anyway, having played with it for a while I am now looking for a VPN client that will hook into a Linux based VPN (specifically that used by DD-WRT which I now run on an old Virgin supplied D-Link router I picked up of Freegle and reflashed). Most seem to talk about rooting the device which I haven't read up on. It sounds like fun, but I've no idea how it impacts warranty, etc. having not read up on it yet! As far as I'm aware rooting your device will void any warranty. Onto to the question, my galaxy-s2 has PPTP and L2TP or L2TP/IPSec vpn capability as part of the OS (Android 2.3.5). It can be configured through Settings-Wireless and Network-VPN settings. ** end quote [Daniel Llewellyn] Doh, I missed that! I have the same phone (due to a very good deal on a contract). I should have looked harder because I found tethering in the same place after searching for an app! Looks like PPTP should do the trick for now - thanks :) -- Paul Tansom | Aptanet Ltd. | http://www.aptanet.com/ | 023 9238 0001 == Registered in England | Company No: 4905028 | Registered Office: Crawford House, Hambledon Road, Denmead, Waterlooville, Hants, PO7 6NU -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Android VPN clients
I have an Android device on 2.3.5, not rooted, using the built in PPTP client just dandy. I have a rooted 3.0.1 device, again I use the built in PPTP client just dandy. The only difference is that on my 3.0.1 device, when I get round to it, I will install an OpenVPN client. I have ConnectBot (an SSH client) installed on the rooted device, just trying to work out now how I can set up an SSH tunnel to somewhere and forward other apps' traffic over the tunnel. Anyone here done this? -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Android VPN clients
just trying to work out now how I can set up an SSH tunnel to somewhere and forward other apps' traffic over the tunnel. Anyone here done this? Yes, it's absolutely trivial. From the list of connections, just hold the one you want to set up. You'll get a context menu, and one of the options is Edit port forwards. Hit the menu button in that screen, and you get the single option of Add port forward. The forwarding is exactly how you'd expect (including -L and -R options). Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Help! I'm buying a laptop.
I had a Novatech Laptop a couple years ago, had a few problems during its life including having to send it back to get its screen fixed. It died completely after just over a year... my sister had the same model and it died sooner. It could have just been that one model, but either way I don't trust them any more when there are more reliable manufactures out there. But a spare battery was easy to get from Novatech but eBay is probably cheaper. On 12 January 2012 17:28, Paul Tansom p...@aptanet.com wrote: ** Full Circle Podcast fullcirclepodc...@googlemail.com [2012-01-12 17 :19]: For what it's worth, everyone I know who's bought either E-Systems or E-Machines branded kit (laptops and desktops) has had reliability troubles. Bargain bucket pricing means bargain bucket build quality. ** end quote [Full Circle Podcast] On a related note, does anyone have any experience of the laptops sold by Novatech? I'm considering whether to use them for a no-OS installed laptop to put Linux on, so if anyone knows of hardware issues with any current ones, or build quality issues - or perhaps how easy it is to get replacement batteries for them when the time comes. -- Paul Tansom | Aptanet Ltd. | http://www.aptanet.com/ | 023 9238 0001 == Registered in England | Company No: 4905028 | Registered Office: Crawford House, Hambledon Road, Denmead, Waterlooville, Hants, PO7 6NU -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Android VPN clients
On 12 January 2012 17:36, Daniel Llewellyn diddle...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 17:32, Paul Tansom p...@aptanet.com wrote: OK, I've finally taken the plunge and jumped on the Android smartphone bandwaggon - thanks for all the suggestions, I went for something completely different when the economics of contracts came into play! Anyway, having played with it for a while I am now looking for a VPN client that will hook into a Linux based VPN (specifically that used by DD-WRT which I now run on an old Virgin supplied D-Link router I picked up of Freegle and reflashed). Most seem to talk about rooting the device which I haven't read up on. It sounds like fun, but I've no idea how it impacts warranty, etc. having not read up on it yet! As far as I'm aware rooting your device will void any warranty. It will indeed, however in the event of catastrophic damage / failure, it's pretty hard to determine if it was rooted since it won't boot. If it's not terminally damaged then you can usually unroot it by restoring to factory rom. Check if you really need to root it before you do though, as said elsewhere the builtin VPN offerings will serve most needs. Onto to the question, my galaxy-s2 has PPTP and L2TP or L2TP/IPSec vpn capability as part of the OS (Android 2.3.5). It can be configured through Settings-Wireless and Network-VPN settings. I've had a tab for almost 3 months now - the only VPN which I have problems with is the Cisco AnyConnect junk. If you have a self certified SSL cert anywhere in the CA chain it absolutely refuses to proceed - there is no option to accept the risk. It's a pain in my case because my employer has decided to adopt AnyConnect as standard for VPN connections as it can be managed by Active Directory, thus the admin is outsourced to the 3rd party office IT (Windows) guys and since we are a Linux shop we don't deal with that ourselves (until it breaks). YMMV. Jack Knight -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Help! I'm buying a laptop.
On Thursday 12 January 2012 17:28:41 Paul Tansom wrote: On a related note, does anyone have any experience of the laptops sold by Novatech? I'm considering whether to use them for a no-OS installed laptop to put Linux on, so if anyone knows of hardware issues with any current ones, or build quality issues - or perhaps how easy it is to get replacement batteries for them when the time comes. I'm thinking along the same lines, but haven't been able to find any good information on how well Linux works with them. I did think of popping into their Reading branch last weekend to see if I could obtain any better info, but dropped the idea when I realised that they don't seem to have many Laptops in stock in Reading. -- Be seeing you,Games: http://www.glendale.org.uk/ Sam. Posts: http://www.google.com/profiles/samuel.penn -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Help! I'm buying a laptop.
On 12/01/12 22:05, Samuel Penn wrote: On Thursday 12 January 2012 17:28:41 Paul Tansom wrote: On a related note, does anyone have any experience of the laptops sold by Novatech? I'm considering whether to use them for a no-OS installed laptop to put Linux on, so if anyone knows of hardware issues with any current ones, or build quality issues - or perhaps how easy it is to get replacement batteries for them when the time comes. I'm thinking along the same lines, but haven't been able to find any good information on how well Linux works with them. I did think of popping into their Reading branch last weekend to see if I could obtain any better info, but dropped the idea when I realised that they don't seem to have many Laptops in stock in Reading. I think they do have a good range at Reading why do you think otherwise? I have on two occasions informally discussed with the (manager?) at Reading the possibility of using a Ubuntu Live CD with agreement, to check what the laptops can do - or not. It is an occasional but repeating problem for me. Also I would be in principle be happy to post reports on to the novatech linux forum if and when it happens. On both occasions the guy (whoever) said ok in principle. I am a returning customer: they can see on their system. They would, I think be nervous unless one of their guys could be part of the action - I guess their bonus is at stake re damage, and retail can be a bloody affair including from customers. So trust and competence is relevant. They recommended I think a very quiet time such as a Monday (morning??) I have not had the need nor the time yet to try it but I look forward to when I can. One factor (a bit of putting at first) is that they all seem top wear MS logo T shirts, but I think writing a few notes on the back of your cheque book might also help. let us know? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Help! I'm buying a laptop.
On Thursday 12 January 2012 23:09:46 alan c wrote: On 12/01/12 22:05, Samuel Penn wrote: On Thursday 12 January 2012 17:28:41 Paul Tansom wrote: On a related note, does anyone have any experience of the laptops sold by Novatech? I'm considering whether to use them for a no-OS installed laptop to put Linux on, so if anyone knows of hardware issues with any current ones, or build quality issues - or perhaps how easy it is to get replacement batteries for them when the time comes. I'm thinking along the same lines, but haven't been able to find any good information on how well Linux works with them. I did think of popping into their Reading branch last weekend to see if I could obtain any better info, but dropped the idea when I realised that they don't seem to have many Laptops in stock in Reading. I think they do have a good range at Reading why do you think otherwise? Checking their website showed the 'instock' values for each store. Pretty much all the laptops I was interested in came up as only being instock at Portsmouth. -- Be seeing you,Games: http://www.glendale.org.uk/ Sam. Posts: http://www.google.com/profiles/samuel.penn -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Help! I'm buying a laptop.
Pretty much all the laptops I was interested in came up as only being instock at Portsmouth. There is an active Novatech forum. Whilst there are a substantial number of idiots on it, there are also some very knowledgeable and helpful people. If you've got a specific question on Linux compatibility, I'd recommend a visit. Just be prepared for numpties... Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
Re: [Hampshire] Help! I'm buying a laptop.
Consulting firm I did some work for ran a handful of Novatech laptops far longer than they or I thought was feasible for the spec or the money. Not bomb-proof but surprising nonetheless. On 12 January 2012 23:33, Vic l...@beer.org.uk wrote: Pretty much all the laptops I was interested in came up as only being instock at Portsmouth. There is an active Novatech forum. Whilst there are a substantial number of idiots on it, there are also some very knowledgeable and helpful people. If you've got a specific question on Linux compatibility, I'd recommend a visit. Just be prepared for numpties... Vic. -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk -- -- Rgds RC Robin Catling Full Circle Podcast -- Please post to: Hampshire@mailman.lug.org.uk Web Interface: https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/hampshire LUG URL: http://www.hantslug.org.uk --
