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It may be, I was going on when I bought my house in Phoenix, which was 94. I thought that it was then. I was beta testing Win95 at the same time I think. I had a 486DX50 at the time. I may be thinking of a different OC list, or BB that was then tho... Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hayes Elkins Sent: Sunday, July 22, 2007 8:54 PM To: hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] Looking for advice on new system. Uh...isn't tomshardware only 11 years old? sysdoc.pair.com came about in 1996 if I recall... From: Mark Dodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] Looking for advice on new system. Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:29:06 -0500 I believe about 13 or 14 years for me. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Fisk Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 4:10 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Looking for advice on new system. On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, FORC5 wrote: since Tom's OC forum here long time Only ~9 years here, I'm a youngin'. Christopher Fisk No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/904 - Release Date: 7/16/2007 5:42 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: 7/21/2007 3:52 PM _ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: 7/21/2007 3:52 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.16/914 - Release Date: 7/23/2007 7:45 PM
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Wasn't THG originally started by Tom of Toms Hardware Guide? I've been on and off the list since about 97. JMaccraw (aka Warpmedia) was a friend and co-worker and turned me on to it. DHSinclair wrote: Mark, We all get foggy about the past. I do recall that you were one of the first contacts I made on the old overclockers list whatever it was called. I do recall the sysdoc.pair.com collapse too. Within months after that I believe Jim did the hardwaregroup when sysdoc decided to close down the server. 4Sure it has been a long time. I think my stick-in-the-ground is ~1996. Best, Duncan At 05:14 07/24/2007 -0400, Mark wrote: It may be, I was going on when I bought my house in Phoenix, which was 94. I thought that it was then. I was beta testing Win95 at the same time I think. I had a 486DX50 at the time. I may be thinking of a different OC list, or BB that was then tho... Mark This email scanned for Viruses and Spam by ZCloud.net
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domain shows as being first registered on the 1997-09-11 - Original Message - From: FORC5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 3:19 PM Subject: [hardware] RE: [H] Looking for advice on new system. got to be older then that, was there b4 my son was born and he is 15 now ( almost 16 ) wow is me fp
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I have hardware list postings from September 97. T At 03:25 AM 23/07/2007, Steve wrote: domain shows as being first registered on the 1997-09-11 - Original Message - From: FORC5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 3:19 PM Subject: [hardware] RE: [H] Looking for advice on new system. got to be older then that, was there b4 my son was born and he is 15 now ( almost 16 ) wow is me fp __ NOD32 2412 (20070723) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
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Nope. sysdoc.pair.com was first registered in 1996. Pair networks was registered in August of 1995 http://whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=pairtld=com From: FORC5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] Looking for advice on new system. Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 22:19:43 -0700 got to be older then that, was there b4 my son was born and he is 15 now ( almost 16 ) wow is me fp At 06:54 PM 7/22/2007, Hayes Elkins Poked the stick with: Uh...isn't tomshardware only 11 years old? sysdoc.pair.com came about in 1996 if I recall... From: Mark Dodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] Looking for advice on new system. Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:29:06 -0500 I believe about 13 or 14 years for me. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Fisk Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 4:10 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Looking for advice on new system. On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, FORC5 wrote: since Tom's OC forum here long time Only ~9 years here, I'm a youngin'. Christopher Fisk No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/904 - Release Date: 7/16/2007 5:42 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: 7/21/2007 3:52 PM _ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Anything good is either illegal, immoral, or fattening. _ http://newlivehotmail.com
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tomshardware was registered in 97, however sysdoc.pair.com (the original page) was in 96. From: Thane Sherrington [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] Looking for advice on new system. Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2007 05:59:44 -0300 I have hardware list postings from September 97. T At 03:25 AM 23/07/2007, Steve wrote: domain shows as being first registered on the 1997-09-11 - Original Message - From: FORC5 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Sent: Monday, July 23, 2007 3:19 PM Subject: [hardware] RE: [H] Looking for advice on new system. got to be older then that, was there b4 my son was born and he is 15 now ( almost 16 ) wow is me fp __ NOD32 2412 (20070723) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com _ http://newlivehotmail.com
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At 10:02 AM 23/07/2007, Hayes Elkins wrote: tomshardware was registered in 97, however sysdoc.pair.com (the original page) was in 96. IIRC, there was the overclocking list at first, which then migrated to this list. T
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On Jul 23, 2007, at 9:12 AM, Thane Sherrington wrote: At 10:02 AM 23/07/2007, Hayes Elkins wrote: tomshardware was registered in 97, however sysdoc.pair.com (the original page) was in 96. IIRC, there was the overclocking list at first, which then migrated to this list. T there was a cyrix users group too! Scott
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I knew it! I've been around way longer than 1996. Jez, I almost forgot I had a Cyrix 686 and the fan from it is still in my junk drawer. Wish my brains were like a camcorder... Scott Sipe wrote: On Jul 23, 2007, at 9:12 AM, Thane Sherrington wrote: At 10:02 AM 23/07/2007, Hayes Elkins wrote: tomshardware was registered in 97, however sysdoc.pair.com (the original page) was in 96. IIRC, there was the overclocking list at first, which then migrated to this list. T there was a cyrix users group too! Scott
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I believe about 13 or 14 years for me. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Fisk Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 4:10 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Looking for advice on new system. On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, FORC5 wrote: since Tom's OC forum here long time Only ~9 years here, I'm a youngin'. Christopher Fisk No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/904 - Release Date: 7/16/2007 5:42 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: 7/21/2007 3:52 PM
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Uh...isn't tomshardware only 11 years old? sysdoc.pair.com came about in 1996 if I recall... From: Mark Dodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] Looking for advice on new system. Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:29:06 -0500 I believe about 13 or 14 years for me. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Fisk Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 4:10 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Looking for advice on new system. On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, FORC5 wrote: since Tom's OC forum here long time Only ~9 years here, I'm a youngin'. Christopher Fisk No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/904 - Release Date: 7/16/2007 5:42 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: 7/21/2007 3:52 PM _ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1
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got to be older then that, was there b4 my son was born and he is 15 now ( almost 16 ) wow is me fp At 06:54 PM 7/22/2007, Hayes Elkins Poked the stick with: Uh...isn't tomshardware only 11 years old? sysdoc.pair.com came about in 1996 if I recall... From: Mark Dodge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: 'The Hardware List' hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: RE: [H] Looking for advice on new system. Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2007 08:29:06 -0500 I believe about 13 or 14 years for me. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Fisk Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 4:10 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Looking for advice on new system. On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, FORC5 wrote: since Tom's OC forum here long time Only ~9 years here, I'm a youngin'. Christopher Fisk No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.8/904 - Release Date: 7/16/2007 5:42 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: 7/21/2007 3:52 PM _ Need a brain boost? Recharge with a stimulating game. Play now! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=club_hotmailtextlink1 -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Anything good is either illegal, immoral, or fattening.
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On Jul 17, 2007, at 3:21 PM, Thane Sherrington wrote: At 02:46 PM 17/07/2007, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: You think this is good? Power consumption needs to be going down, not up. Most people don't need to be burning all this watts on games anyway. How many people really need a 150W quad-core CPU and 2 220 W GPUs? I agree completely. Most of this is lazy programming - as proof, one only needs to look at the various NASA probes, which clearly can't be upgraded, yet NASA is often able to increase a probe's abilities by improving the programming. (Game consoles are another good example.) This is the route we need to take with terrestrial computers - rather than rushing to greater and greater processing power, why not improve performance of the software? Other than video drivers, I can't think of any software that has gotten faster with newer versions - more features are common, but generally the entire thing slows down with every new release, thus requiring greater resources. World of Warcraft and OS X? ;) It is pretty disappointing that really everyday usability hasn't increased very much in...10 years? I remember at one point I installed NT4 on a 486 with 16M ram, and it ran ok. Now from what I hear, you need hot video card, multicore, 1gb ram, etc to run Vista ok. kinda sad. Scott
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I have though about this on off in the past years. Damn it's been a long time we've been chatting back forth! The only need I have is for my games to be playable. This is of course limited by budget of which I currently have none! Not too bad since I have a card fast enough for HL2 and only really get to play a few hours a month since I took on role of nanny for my girl friend's kids last year! I miss being able to play hours on end and I also miss making the big bucks since being under/unemployed these past 3 years. One is a sign of getting older, I am afraid so might the other be... :( Anyone have work in the eastern boonies of Wa state for an aging geek with lots of non-specific PC skills? LOL! FORC5 wrote: since Tom's OC forum here long time wonder if I will get a PC allotment on my SS :-) fp At 01:40 PM 7/17/2007, Anthony Q. Martin Poked the stick with: Seems like someone mentioned saving money for retirement here just recently. :) Seems as if the collective age of the hardwaregroup is increasingmany of us have been hanging out here for years now. FORC5 wrote: since when did NEED have anything to do with it :-} fp At 10:46 AM 7/17/2007, Anthony Q. Martin Poked the stick with: How many people really need a 150W quad-core CPU and 2 220 W GPUs? Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids. http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=summer+activities+for+kidscs=bz
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Greg Sevart wrote: While it is indeed true that increasing temperatures drop a power supply's rating, I think you may take efficiency's role too far. While my 80+% SeaSonic runs cooler than the ~65-70% supply it replaced, it still doesn't run _cool_. There is still a lot of power being dissipated as heat. The real advantage, as you point out, is that the SeaSonic units (at least the M12) deliver rated power at 40C, and 80% at 50C. While I agree that a 500W quality power supply is sufficient for his single-GPU machine, I advocate buying more capacity than needed now to allow for expansion in the future. While C2D stunted CPU power demand for a while, the addition of multiple cores is causing that demand to increase once again. GPU power consumption is in near runaway mode. Even chipsets are starting to pull a not-insignificant amount of power. Of course, my PSU strategy is to have the supply last through several machine builds...so if you have different objectives in that regard, sizing should change accordingly. Greg The notion of 500+ Watt PS in PCs is insanity. The notion of these power-hungry GPUs is also insanity. STOP THE INSANITY
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The notion of 500+ Watt PS in PCs is insanity. The notion of these power-hungry GPUs is also insanity. STOP THE INSANITY What? Fact: At full load, current quad-core CPUs can pull upwards of 150 watts. (C2Q QX6800 rated at 130W TDP, and TDP isn't max) Fact: At full load, current high-end GPUs pull upwards of 220 watts or more. Fact: 680i/X38 are looking at power consumption of 30+ watts You're already at 400 watts. Add conversion inefficiencies, 4 sticks of high-end memory, 4 or 5 hard drives, several fans, and other motherboard/system components, and you're easily at 500W+ under a full load condition. How much margin are you comfortable with? Greg
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Greg Sevart wrote: The notion of 500+ Watt PS in PCs is insanity. The notion of these power-hungry GPUs is also insanity. STOP THE INSANITY What? Fact: At full load, current quad-core CPUs can pull upwards of 150 watts. (C2Q QX6800 rated at 130W TDP, and TDP isn't max) Fact: At full load, current high-end GPUs pull upwards of 220 watts or more. Fact: 680i/X38 are looking at power consumption of 30+ watts You're already at 400 watts. Add conversion inefficiencies, 4 sticks of high-end memory, 4 or 5 hard drives, several fans, and other motherboard/system components, and you're easily at 500W+ under a full load condition. How much margin are you comfortable with? Greg You think this is good? Power consumption needs to be going down, not up. Most people don't need to be burning all this watts on games anyway. How many people really need a 150W quad-core CPU and 2 220 W GPUs? :)
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since when did NEED have anything to do with it :-} fp At 10:46 AM 7/17/2007, Anthony Q. Martin Poked the stick with: How many people really need a 150W quad-core CPU and 2 220 W GPUs? -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Movement To Ban Silly Tag Lines; Send donations to:
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At 02:46 PM 17/07/2007, Anthony Q. Martin wrote: You think this is good? Power consumption needs to be going down, not up. Most people don't need to be burning all this watts on games anyway. How many people really need a 150W quad-core CPU and 2 220 W GPUs? I agree completely. Most of this is lazy programming - as proof, one only needs to look at the various NASA probes, which clearly can't be upgraded, yet NASA is often able to increase a probe's abilities by improving the programming. (Game consoles are another good example.) This is the route we need to take with terrestrial computers - rather than rushing to greater and greater processing power, why not improve performance of the software? Other than video drivers, I can't think of any software that has gotten faster with newer versions - more features are common, but generally the entire thing slows down with every new release, thus requiring greater resources. If hardware upgrades stopped tomorrow, software would continue to get better without any speed loss for several years - there's just no reason to do it with the current speed of hardware change. Sincerely, Thane Sherrington Computer Connection, Ltd. ...taking the mystery out of computers since 1982. 95 College St., Antigonish, NS B2G 1X6 902-863-3361 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Seems like someone mentioned saving money for retirement here just recently. :) Seems as if the collective age of the hardwaregroup is increasingmany of us have been hanging out here for years now. FORC5 wrote: since when did NEED have anything to do with it :-} fp At 10:46 AM 7/17/2007, Anthony Q. Martin Poked the stick with: How many people really need a 150W quad-core CPU and 2 220 W GPUs?
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since Tom's OC forum here long time wonder if I will get a PC allotment on my SS :-) fp At 01:40 PM 7/17/2007, Anthony Q. Martin Poked the stick with: Seems like someone mentioned saving money for retirement here just recently. :) Seems as if the collective age of the hardwaregroup is increasingmany of us have been hanging out here for years now. FORC5 wrote: since when did NEED have anything to do with it :-} fp At 10:46 AM 7/17/2007, Anthony Q. Martin Poked the stick with: How many people really need a 150W quad-core CPU and 2 220 W GPUs? -- Tallyho ! ]:8) Taglines below ! -- Repartee: An insult with a suit and tie on.
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On Tue, 17 Jul 2007, FORC5 wrote: since Tom's OC forum here long time Only ~9 years here, I'm a youngin'. Christopher Fisk
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Yep, I joined the list when it was Tom's OC list as well I think it was 95 or 96Julian (Sabre)-Original Message-From: "FORC5" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent 7/17/2007 4:53:53 PMTo: "The Hardware List" hardware@hardwaregroup.comSubject: X-SPAM Re: [H] Looking for advice on new system.since Tom's OC forum herelong timewonder if I will get a PC allotment on my SS :-)fpAt 01:40 PM 7/17/2007, Anthony Q. Martin Poked the stick with:Seems like someone mentioned saving money for retirement here just recently. :)Seems as if the collective age of the hardwaregroup is increasingmany of us have been hanging out here for years now.FORC5 wrote:since when did NEED have anything to do with it :-}fpAt 10:46 AM 7/17/2007, Anthony Q. Martin Poked the stick with: How many people really need a 150W quad-core CPU and 2 220 W GPUs? -- Tallyho ! ]:8)Taglines below !--Repartee: An insult with a suit and tie on.
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Oh I've gotten gray alright. Anthony Q. Martin wrote: Seems like someone mentioned saving money for retirement here just recently. :) Seems as if the collective age of the hardwaregroup is increasingmany of us have been hanging out here for years now. FORC5 wrote: since when did NEED have anything to do with it :-} fp At 10:46 AM 7/17/2007, Anthony Q. Martin Poked the stick with: How many people really need a 150W quad-core CPU and 2 220 W GPUs?
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Which CPU would you choose for a gaming PC, the Q6600 or the E6850? For the chipset, would you go with the P35 Express or nForce 600i? Why? On 7/16/07, Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the Intel quad-core Q6600 (2.4GHz) hitting $266 next week (7/22), and the new E6850 (3.0GHz) dual-core running at $266 now, along with the rather nice P35 Express chipset, why would anyone even consider an AMD-based machine for anything but an ultra-budget box? [snip]
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For gaming, I'd go E6850. More speed per core is almost universally better than more cores for current games. I anticipate that will change, but it'll remain that way for a while. Hands down, P35 Express, unless you just absolutely need SLI. The 680i has a fantastic feature set, but I've just generally had bad luck with itnetwork adapters that are either slow or disappear and require a reboot, general instability after running for a few months, high temperatures (not just NB, the SB runs blazing hot too), immature drivers/BIOS (these have largely been worked out on the BIOS side, but c'mon), poor quad-core overclockability, very finicky memory controller, etc. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Decker Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 1:48 PM To: The Hardware List Subject: Re: [H] Looking for advice on new system. Which CPU would you choose for a gaming PC, the Q6600 or the E6850? For the chipset, would you go with the P35 Express or nForce 600i? Why? On 7/16/07, Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the Intel quad-core Q6600 (2.4GHz) hitting $266 next week (7/22), and the new E6850 (3.0GHz) dual-core running at $266 now, along with the rather nice P35 Express chipset, why would anyone even consider an AMD-based machine for anything but an ultra-budget box? [snip]
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P35 is the only way to go. It has ICH9 which is the fastest southbridge to date. In addition to DDR3 support, it's memory controller has been tweaked to surpass the performance of older chipsets even when using DDR2. SLI is still immeasurably stupid. 8800 GTX's and Ultras are cheaper now and the prices keep falling. From: Michael Decker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com To: The Hardware List hardware@hardwaregroup.com Subject: Re: [H] Looking for advice on new system. Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 14:48:10 -0400 Which CPU would you choose for a gaming PC, the Q6600 or the E6850? For the chipset, would you go with the P35 Express or nForce 600i? Why? On 7/16/07, Greg Sevart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With the Intel quad-core Q6600 (2.4GHz) hitting $266 next week (7/22), and the new E6850 (3.0GHz) dual-core running at $266 now, along with the rather nice P35 Express chipset, why would anyone even consider an AMD-based machine for anything but an ultra-budget box? [snip] _ http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-usocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507
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SLI is pointless to consider unless you have money to burn (better to get a Roth IRA IMHO). A 550 watt PSU with greater than 80% efficiency would do just fine for what you want. Apparently my fellow listers haven't been reading too much about P35 and DDR2/DDR3 support. P35 is an excellent chipset but only slightly superior in performance to 965 with current DDR3 sticks. Second, the pin count between DDR2 and DDR3 while being exactly the same have a different notch. Therefore, you either buy a mobo that takes DDR2 memory knowing that you can never upgrade it in the future to DDR3 or you buy a DDR3 mobo knowing that you can't use DDR2 and will pay a serious price penalty for it. Finally, it seems that Kingston and not Crucial makes the fastest DDR3 memory @ the present time. Dude, P35 will not give you any future proofing unless you bite the bullet and get a mobo with DDR3 memory slots. So, how much money you can afford to spend is the most relevant question @ this point. Oh yeah, most reviews have Gigabyte mobo's rated best for Intel CPU's. Joe User wrote: Hello Hayes, Monday, July 16, 2007, 3:20:58 PM, you wrote: P35 is the only way to go. It has ICH9 which is the fastest southbridge to date. In addition to DDR3 support, it's memory controller has been tweaked to surpass the performance of older chipsets even when using DDR2. SLI is still immeasurably stupid. 8800 GTX's and Ultras are cheaper now and the prices keep falling. Yeah I'd rather run one video card. Esp, where one card can ruin two in SLI. So looks like so far we have: P35 Express chipset board E6850 (3.0GHz) dual-core DDR3 Memory 8800 GTX or Ultra nVidia card Anyone make a call on what brand I would pursue for P35 chipset? I would probably take crucial memory since I am setup as a reseller. Who makes decent nVidia cards nowadays? I am using a MSI @ the moment. Antec PSU? Wattage?
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With the Intel quad-core Q6600 (2.4GHz) hitting $266 next week (7/22), and the new E6850 (3.0GHz) dual-core running at $266 now, along with the rather nice P35 Express chipset, why would anyone even consider an AMD-based machine for anything but an ultra-budget box? But to answer your question...now is a pretty decent time to buy. If you're dead set on AMD, they just slashed prices---the X2 6000+ can be found for only $170. The next gen core, Phenom, is rumored to be delayed for until Q1 2008. (Barcelona-based Opterons will ship this year, but current rumor is the Phenom desktop chips won't.) Intel has just released the 1333MHz bus chips, and a huge price cut on existing chips is set for the 22nd...they will push out 45nm chips later this year, but I don't think they're reason enough to wait. Greg -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hardware- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joe User Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 9:36 PM To: 'The Hardware List' Subject: [H] Looking for advice on new system. Not sure if now is a good time to build a new game system or not. Not sure what's in development and I could use my current system longer. If it's a good time though, I would like to build something. I always try to aim one step below the best. I mainly play World of Warcraft, a DirectX game but I do play OpenGL games like Quake4 and DooM3 on rare occasion. Looking for an AMD platform: psu, cpu, board, memory, and video card. If my 21 inch Hitachi CRT ever dies I would also like to get a 22 inch or better wide screen LCD. Advice please? -- Regards, joeuser - Still looking for the 'any' key...
