Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down?
sol.greyfox wrote: I don't subscribe to this list to listen to people make up shit about something that's good just so they look like they know something (which they very apparently don't). And i didn't susbscribe to this list to listen to OS wars. So could we drop the subject, please? How about you move it to some mac.advocacy group instead. Thanks. Florian. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] WON is really down?
LOL... you may have several Macs but you apparently have absolutely no clue how to use them, because if you truly did you would be joining the Mac revolution. I have had OS X for almost 2 years on all my macs here - not a SINGLE ONE of them has crashed (no, I am not lying) since having bought them. None. Period. Finito. Plus, your argument of not being able to do anything is absolutely bullshit. 80% of all *good* commercial software (including, but not limited to Adobe, Macromedia, Microsoft (ahem - but I must give them credit for Office v.X, it beats every other version of Office from Mac to Windows by fourfold), Autodesk, Corel, Kinetix, the list goes on. And besides, even if you do come across the stray piece that doesn't come with a Mac version, you boot up the old Virtual PC and you run Windows XP Professional edition (or Win2k/98, whatever you want) flawlessly and run that Windows program - ALL on your Mac. If you have any sort of job that requires any computer interaction, I am surprised that you have lived without using Macs to their full potential (although no one has done this, really). So next time you want to flame someone/something - have some proof and some experience first. I don't subscribe to this list to listen to people make up shit about something that's good just so they look like they know something (which they very apparently don't). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Avatar-X Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] haha, you switched to apple you must enjoy not being able to do anything with it :) and dont tell me im wrong, i have several macs at the office running the latest os-x, they cause me so many headaches cause all the mac software is so badly written... it's ridiculous. -av Aaron Kalin wrote: Makes me happy I bought my Mac and am switching to an all MAC network, better OS and hardware. Can't beat it =) The Palladium is public by Microsoft however MS employees decided it would be fun to release other details such as the trusted code part which means microsoft checks anythign and everything before its runtime, this infact won't be practical and no Intel nor AMD will go with it because Intel has already slapped their sales of their pentium 4's by stciking with Rambus. Going with a (illegal) software/hardware standard will be the final step in destroying their company. Yes I said illegal because it is as that project tramples upon every privacy rights and MS knows all too well about anti-trust laws *wink* which are directly violated with non-commercial developers. As they MS exec said, its a drawing board project and its already under federal investigation by the DOJ so its only a matter of time before this is amended to yet another indictment of MS employees. I personally am glad I went to Apple, much better product and ive had no problems since. Don't bash apple until you've actually tried their products too. =p Anyway, I want to hear form Eric Smith on the WON situation as its only rumors right now unless there is an official press release on this matter. The temporary fix works but im curious to know why it caused such a comotion. -iggy - Original Message - From: Philip (Fiber) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] WON is really down? And getting MS executives to talk like that it pretty good (I wish I had those skillz). Also, Intel already has plans for their CPU's (AMD is next, DAMN) _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of botman Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? Palladium is actually a hoax, quite brilliantly concocted by some linux nit-wits I guess. Microsoft doing such a project would be immediate grounds for a federal investigation as that kind of software/chip would be trampling over constitutional rights. This would ruin the company, period. Those linux nit-wits must be pretty intelligent nit-wits to actually get Microsoft to create a web page about a product that they are offering that's actually a hoax... http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/Features/2002/Jul02/07-01palladium.as p :) Jeffrey botman Broome ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] heehee, just the way you wrote the message tells me you are clueless i mean, you know what you're doing on a broad, consumer level, like most people but you have no clue as to the hidden workings of anything let me state some facts for you that i have personally observed and for the record, the mac i refer to is a brand new dual-1ghz mac with 1.5 gb of ram and all the bells ans whistles, and the PC is a p3 866 with 768mb of ram with a lower-end video card: -my PC runs any Flash about 10x faster than the mac (based on framerates and ability to draw things) than the mac does, be they games, animations, or just graphic-intensive things -my PC runs things like Photoshop faster than the MAC... considering macs are all about the graphics, this was surprising -my PC has absolutly no problems printing to the various network printers in our office, none of the os-x machines can do it well (they either dont work at all of work very badly), but the os-9 machines can do it fine -every piece of software ever made generally works better on the PC than on the mac. internet explorer is miles better on the PC, it's total shit on the mac. there are no good programming tools on the mac. there are no good GAMES on the mac. -don't harp about virtual PC, i've tried it. the mac mentioned above can run windows 2000 in virtual PC... and it runs about as good as a pentium 200 can run windows 2000. anyways the basic points: the PC is cheaper, faster, more expandable, supports more stuff, has many choices for hardware and software manufactures, and has many choices for OS manufactures. apple only gives you one choice: apple. my boss is a total mac-man, and i agree that macs are fine for people with brain diseases. not for me. -av sol.greyfox wrote: LOL... you may have several Macs but you apparently have absolutely no clue how to use them, because if you truly did you would be joining the Mac revolution. I have had OS X for almost 2 years on all my macs here - not a SINGLE ONE of them has crashed (no, I am not lying) since having bought them. None. Period. Finito. Plus, your argument of not being able to do anything is absolutely bullshit. 80% of all *good* commercial software (including, but not limited to Adobe, Macromedia, Microsoft (ahem - but I must give them credit for Office v.X, it beats every other version of Office from Mac to Windows by fourfold), Autodesk, Corel, Kinetix, the list goes on. And besides, even if you do come across the stray piece that doesn't come with a Mac version, you boot up the old Virtual PC and you run Windows XP Professional edition (or Win2k/98, whatever you want) flawlessly and run that Windows program - ALL on your Mac. If you have any sort of job that requires any computer interaction, I am surprised that you have lived without using Macs to their full potential (although no one has done this, really). So next time you want to flame someone/something - have some proof and some experience first. I don't subscribe to this list to listen to people make up shit about something that's good just so they look like they know something (which they very apparently don't). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Avatar-X Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] haha, you switched to apple you must enjoy not being able to do anything with it :) and dont tell me im wrong, i have several macs at the office running the latest os-x, they cause me so many headaches cause all the mac software is so badly written... it's ridiculous. -av Aaron Kalin wrote: Makes me happy I bought my Mac and am switching to an all MAC network, better OS and hardware. Can't beat it =) The Palladium is public by Microsoft however MS employees decided it would be fun to release other details such as the trusted code part which means microsoft checks anythign and everything before its runtime, this infact won't be practical and no Intel nor AMD will go with it because Intel has already slapped their sales of their pentium 4's by stciking with Rambus. Going with a (illegal) software/hardware standard will be the final step in destroying their company. Yes I said illegal because it is as that project tramples upon every privacy rights and MS knows all too well about anti-trust laws *wink* which are directly violated with non-commercial developers. As they MS exec said, its a drawing board project and its already under federal investigation by the DOJ so its only a matter of time before this is amended to yet another indictment of MS employees. I personally am glad I went to Apple, much better product and ive had no problems since. Don't bash apple until you've actually tried their products too. =p Anyway, I want to hear form Eric Smith on the WON situation as its only rumors
Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down?
/me has a feeling another OS flame-war is coming up... - Original Message - From: Avatar-X [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 7:22 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] heehee, just the way you wrote the message tells me you are clueless i mean, you know what you're doing on a broad, consumer level, like most people but you have no clue as to the hidden workings of anything let me state some facts for you that i have personally observed and for the record, the mac i refer to is a brand new dual-1ghz mac with 1.5 gb of ram and all the bells ans whistles, and the PC is a p3 866 with 768mb of ram with a lower-end video card: -my PC runs any Flash about 10x faster than the mac (based on framerates and ability to draw things) than the mac does, be they games, animations, or just graphic-intensive things -my PC runs things like Photoshop faster than the MAC... considering macs are all about the graphics, this was surprising -my PC has absolutly no problems printing to the various network printers in our office, none of the os-x machines can do it well (they either dont work at all of work very badly), but the os-9 machines can do it fine -every piece of software ever made generally works better on the PC than on the mac. internet explorer is miles better on the PC, it's total shit on the mac. there are no good programming tools on the mac. there are no good GAMES on the mac. -don't harp about virtual PC, i've tried it. the mac mentioned above can run windows 2000 in virtual PC... and it runs about as good as a pentium 200 can run windows 2000. anyways the basic points: the PC is cheaper, faster, more expandable, supports more stuff, has many choices for hardware and software manufactures, and has many choices for OS manufactures. apple only gives you one choice: apple. my boss is a total mac-man, and i agree that macs are fine for people with brain diseases. not for me. -av sol.greyfox wrote: LOL... you may have several Macs but you apparently have absolutely no clue how to use them, because if you truly did you would be joining the Mac revolution. I have had OS X for almost 2 years on all my macs here - not a SINGLE ONE of them has crashed (no, I am not lying) since having bought them. None. Period. Finito. Plus, your argument of not being able to do anything is absolutely bullshit. 80% of all *good* commercial software (including, but not limited to Adobe, Macromedia, Microsoft (ahem - but I must give them credit for Office v.X, it beats every other version of Office from Mac to Windows by fourfold), Autodesk, Corel, Kinetix, the list goes on. And besides, even if you do come across the stray piece that doesn't come with a Mac version, you boot up the old Virtual PC and you run Windows XP Professional edition (or Win2k/98, whatever you want) flawlessly and run that Windows program - ALL on your Mac. If you have any sort of job that requires any computer interaction, I am surprised that you have lived without using Macs to their full potential (although no one has done this, really). So next time you want to flame someone/something - have some proof and some experience first. I don't subscribe to this list to listen to people make up shit about something that's good just so they look like they know something (which they very apparently don't). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Avatar-X Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] haha, you switched to apple you must enjoy not being able to do anything with it :) and dont tell me im wrong, i have several macs at the office running the latest os-x, they cause me so many headaches cause all the mac software is so badly written... it's ridiculous. -av Aaron Kalin wrote: Makes me happy I bought my Mac and am switching to an all MAC network, better OS and hardware. Can't beat it =) The Palladium is public by Microsoft however MS employees decided it would be fun to release other details such as the trusted code part which means microsoft checks anythign and everything before its runtime, this infact won't be practical and no Intel nor AMD will go with it because Intel has already slapped their sales of their pentium 4's by stciking with Rambus. Going with a (illegal) software/hardware standard will be the final step in destroying their company. Yes I said illegal because it is as that project tramples upon every privacy rights and MS knows all too well about anti-trust laws *wink* which are directly violated with non-commercial developers. As they MS exec said, its a drawing board project and its already under federal investigation by the DOJ so its only a matter
RE: [hlcoders] WON is really down?
Well wine would require you installing the XFree86 Server and getting a window manager up (ie. Dump Aqua) but yeah, it should work fine. Also, technically it's BSD and not UNIX, which is now a trademark of the Open Group. _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Chris Foss Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? some *nix is better than none, and I'd bet it might be able to run wine... second, for the sanctity of my mailbox, please don't get into a nasty flamewar. I get enough of that from Usenet and IRC. - Original Message - From: Philip (Fiber) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:36 PM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] WON is really down? Even though I don't own any macs I have used them and if you use them for what they are designed to do (graphics and stuff like that) then they work really good. Also, it's written on the rock solid BSD architecture, what can be better than that? _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Avatar-X Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] haha, you switched to apple you must enjoy not being able to do anything with it :) and dont tell me im wrong, i have several macs at the office running the latest os-x, they cause me so many headaches cause all the mac software is so badly written... it's ridiculous. -av Aaron Kalin wrote: Makes me happy I bought my Mac and am switching to an all MAC network, better OS and hardware. Can't beat it =) The Palladium is public by Microsoft however MS employees decided it would be fun to release other details such as the trusted code part which means microsoft checks anythign and everything before its runtime, this infact won't be practical and no Intel nor AMD will go with it because Intel has already slapped their sales of their pentium 4's by stciking with Rambus. Going with a (illegal) software/hardware standard will be the final step in destroying their company. Yes I said illegal because it is as that project tramples upon every privacy rights and MS knows all too well about anti-trust laws *wink* which are directly violated with non-commercial developers. As they MS exec said, its a drawing board project and its already under federal investigation by the DOJ so its only a matter of time before this is amended to yet another indictment of MS employees. I personally am glad I went to Apple, much better product and ive had no problems since. Don't bash apple until you've actually tried their products too. =p Anyway, I want to hear form Eric Smith on the WON situation as its only rumors right now unless there is an official press release on this matter. The temporary fix works but im curious to know why it caused such a comotion. -iggy - Original Message - From: Philip (Fiber) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] WON is really down? And getting MS executives to talk like that it pretty good (I wish I had those skillz). Also, Intel already has plans for their CPU's (AMD is next, DAMN) _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of botman Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? Palladium is actually a hoax, quite brilliantly concocted by some linux nit-wits I guess. Microsoft doing such a project would be immediate grounds for a federal investigation as that kind of software/chip would be trampling over constitutional rights. This would ruin the company, period. Those linux nit-wits must be pretty intelligent nit-wits to actually get Microsoft to create a web page about a product that they are offering that's actually a hoax... http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/Features/2002/Jul02/07-01palladium. as p :) Jeffrey
RE: [hlcoders] WON is really down?
Palladium - Created to control hardware vendors and all information about you and your computer (pending) IE - Created to implement IE-Only MS-Standards of existing standards (EMCA, ISO etc.) and control the internet (successful) Windows - To start this blood bath (successful) Office - To piss people off (successful) The list goes on _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kuja Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 3:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] WON is really down? Heard of their new DCMA compatible os? Sounds like microsoft owns the internet and all the files on your computer, while making other os's illegal to me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of sol.greyfox Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 6:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] WON is really down? And quite well deserved. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Miguel Alemán Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 3:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? Ahh poor Microsoft... such low public image. - Original Message - From: botman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? You don't donate to a company, you invest. Actually, if you're buying something from Microsoft, you donate. ;) Jeffrey botman Broome ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
RE: [hlcoders] WON is really down?
Gj nitwit thats why its gotten major news coverage and a site on microsoft.com? Do some research before you flame linux 'newbs'. Heres a hint: usyou -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Aaron Kalin Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 12:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? Palladium is actually a hoax, quite brilliantly concocted by some linux nit-wits I guess. Microsoft doing such a project would be immediate grounds for a federal investigation as that kind of software/chip would be trampling over constitutional rights. This would ruin the company, period. I doubt they are making any such software/chip at this moment because that project is pure speculation with no real proof of its existence. Getting back to the real subject I want to know from valve if WON is really in trouble, mainly because of eric smiths post about switching the DNS over, etc etc etc. Possibly did a buyout occur? Just a guess seeing the posts on here, not sure if they are real or fictional. -iggy - Original Message - From: Philip (Fiber) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 3:39 AM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] WON is really down? Palladium - Created to control hardware vendors and all information about you and your computer (pending) IE - Created to implement IE-Only MS-Standards of existing standards (EMCA, ISO etc.) and control the internet (successful) Windows - To start this blood bath (successful) Office - To piss people off (successful) The list goes on _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kuja Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 3:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] WON is really down? Heard of their new DCMA compatible os? Sounds like microsoft owns the internet and all the files on your computer, while making other os's illegal to me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of sol.greyfox Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 6:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] WON is really down? And quite well deserved. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Miguel Alemán Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 3:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? Ahh poor Microsoft... such low public image. - Original Message - From: botman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? You don't donate to a company, you invest. Actually, if you're buying something from Microsoft, you donate. ;) Jeffrey botman Broome ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down?
Makes me happy I bought my Mac and am switching to an all MAC network, better OS and hardware. Can't beat it =) The Palladium is public by Microsoft however MS employees decided it would be fun to release other details such as the trusted code part which means microsoft checks anythign and everything before its runtime, this infact won't be practical and no Intel nor AMD will go with it because Intel has already slapped their sales of their pentium 4's by stciking with Rambus. Going with a (illegal) software/hardware standard will be the final step in destroying their company. Yes I said illegal because it is as that project tramples upon every privacy rights and MS knows all too well about anti-trust laws *wink* which are directly violated with non-commercial developers. As they MS exec said, its a drawing board project and its already under federal investigation by the DOJ so its only a matter of time before this is amended to yet another indictment of MS employees. I personally am glad I went to Apple, much better product and ive had no problems since. Don't bash apple until you've actually tried their products too. =p Anyway, I want to hear form Eric Smith on the WON situation as its only rumors right now unless there is an official press release on this matter. The temporary fix works but im curious to know why it caused such a comotion. -iggy - Original Message - From: Philip (Fiber) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] WON is really down? And getting MS executives to talk like that it pretty good (I wish I had those skillz). Also, Intel already has plans for their CPU's (AMD is next, DAMN) _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of botman Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? Palladium is actually a hoax, quite brilliantly concocted by some linux nit-wits I guess. Microsoft doing such a project would be immediate grounds for a federal investigation as that kind of software/chip would be trampling over constitutional rights. This would ruin the company, period. Those linux nit-wits must be pretty intelligent nit-wits to actually get Microsoft to create a web page about a product that they are offering that's actually a hoax... http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/Features/2002/Jul02/07-01palladium.as p :) Jeffrey botman Broome ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
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Going with a (illegal) software/hardware standard will be the final step in destroying their company We all pray for that day to happen (and quickly). ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
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-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] haha, you switched to apple you must enjoy not being able to do anything with it :) and dont tell me im wrong, i have several macs at the office running the latest os-x, they cause me so many headaches cause all the mac software is so badly written... it's ridiculous. -av Aaron Kalin wrote: Makes me happy I bought my Mac and am switching to an all MAC network, better OS and hardware. Can't beat it =) The Palladium is public by Microsoft however MS employees decided it would be fun to release other details such as the trusted code part which means microsoft checks anythign and everything before its runtime, this infact won't be practical and no Intel nor AMD will go with it because Intel has already slapped their sales of their pentium 4's by stciking with Rambus. Going with a (illegal) software/hardware standard will be the final step in destroying their company. Yes I said illegal because it is as that project tramples upon every privacy rights and MS knows all too well about anti-trust laws *wink* which are directly violated with non-commercial developers. As they MS exec said, its a drawing board project and its already under federal investigation by the DOJ so its only a matter of time before this is amended to yet another indictment of MS employees. I personally am glad I went to Apple, much better product and ive had no problems since. Don't bash apple until you've actually tried their products too. =p Anyway, I want to hear form Eric Smith on the WON situation as its only rumors right now unless there is an official press release on this matter. The temporary fix works but im curious to know why it caused such a comotion. -iggy - Original Message - From: Philip (Fiber) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] WON is really down? And getting MS executives to talk like that it pretty good (I wish I had those skillz). Also, Intel already has plans for their CPU's (AMD is next, DAMN) _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of botman Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? Palladium is actually a hoax, quite brilliantly concocted by some linux nit-wits I guess. Microsoft doing such a project would be immediate grounds for a federal investigation as that kind of software/chip would be trampling over constitutional rights. This would ruin the company, period. Those linux nit-wits must be pretty intelligent nit-wits to actually get Microsoft to create a web page about a product that they are offering that's actually a hoax... http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/Features/2002/Jul02/07-01palladium.as p :) Jeffrey botman Broome ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
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Even though I don't own any macs I have used them and if you use them for what they are designed to do (graphics and stuff like that) then they work really good. Also, it's written on the rock solid BSD architecture, what can be better than that? _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Avatar-X Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:36 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] haha, you switched to apple you must enjoy not being able to do anything with it :) and dont tell me im wrong, i have several macs at the office running the latest os-x, they cause me so many headaches cause all the mac software is so badly written... it's ridiculous. -av Aaron Kalin wrote: Makes me happy I bought my Mac and am switching to an all MAC network, better OS and hardware. Can't beat it =) The Palladium is public by Microsoft however MS employees decided it would be fun to release other details such as the trusted code part which means microsoft checks anythign and everything before its runtime, this infact won't be practical and no Intel nor AMD will go with it because Intel has already slapped their sales of their pentium 4's by stciking with Rambus. Going with a (illegal) software/hardware standard will be the final step in destroying their company. Yes I said illegal because it is as that project tramples upon every privacy rights and MS knows all too well about anti-trust laws *wink* which are directly violated with non-commercial developers. As they MS exec said, its a drawing board project and its already under federal investigation by the DOJ so its only a matter of time before this is amended to yet another indictment of MS employees. I personally am glad I went to Apple, much better product and ive had no problems since. Don't bash apple until you've actually tried their products too. =p Anyway, I want to hear form Eric Smith on the WON situation as its only rumors right now unless there is an official press release on this matter. The temporary fix works but im curious to know why it caused such a comotion. -iggy - Original Message - From: Philip (Fiber) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:56 PM Subject: RE: [hlcoders] WON is really down? And getting MS executives to talk like that it pretty good (I wish I had those skillz). Also, Intel already has plans for their CPU's (AMD is next, DAMN) _ Why do ducks have webbed feet? To stamp out fires. Why do elephants have flat feet? To stamp out burning ducks. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:hlcoders- [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of botman Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 5:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? Palladium is actually a hoax, quite brilliantly concocted by some linux nit-wits I guess. Microsoft doing such a project would be immediate grounds for a federal investigation as that kind of software/chip would be trampling over constitutional rights. This would ruin the company, period. Those linux nit-wits must be pretty intelligent nit-wits to actually get Microsoft to create a web page about a product that they are offering that's actually a hoax... http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/Features/2002/Jul02/07-01palladium. as p :) Jeffrey botman Broome ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders -- - [DRP]Avatar-X SillyZone Homepage: www.thesillyzone.com SillyZone Forums: forum.thesillyzone.com My Homepage: www.cyberwyre.com -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
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Oskar 'Zoot' Lindgren wrote: WON will be down a couple of weeks, because we have some disagreements with sierra, WON is on the verge of bankrupcy, we desperately need some donations to keep running.' Hmm, I thought WON was no more anyway. Wasn't it bought by Flipside some years ago? Florian. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
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Ahh poor Microsoft... such low public image. - Original Message - From: botman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? You don't donate to a company, you invest. Actually, if you're buying something from Microsoft, you donate. ;) Jeffrey botman Broome ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
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And quite well deserved. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Miguel Alemán Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 3:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? Ahh poor Microsoft... such low public image. - Original Message - From: botman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? You don't donate to a company, you invest. Actually, if you're buying something from Microsoft, you donate. ;) Jeffrey botman Broome ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
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Heard of their new DCMA compatible os? Sounds like microsoft owns the internet and all the files on your computer, while making other os's illegal to me. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of sol.greyfox Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 6:38 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [hlcoders] WON is really down? And quite well deserved. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Miguel Alemán Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 3:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? Ahh poor Microsoft... such low public image. - Original Message - From: botman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 7:39 AM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? You don't donate to a company, you invest. Actually, if you're buying something from Microsoft, you donate. ;) Jeffrey botman Broome ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
[hlcoders] WON is really down?
Hi, Is it this true: WON will be down a couple of weeks, because we have some disagreements with sierra, WON is on the verge of bankrupcy, we desperately need some donations to keep running.' / Zoot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
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On 6 Oct 2002 at 21:28, Oskar 'Zoot' Lindgren wrote: Ok, thanks ; or better WON fix: in half-life/valve/woncomm.lst, replace all half-life.west.won.net with 198.74.33.62 and be happy! - Original Message - From: Oskar 'Zoot' Lindgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? Anyway here is a fix! WON fix: in half-life/valve/woncomm.lst, under Auth, replace half-life.west.won.net:7002 with 198.74.33.62:7002 and be happy! - Original Message - From: Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? i don't think that this is true - Original Message - From: Oskar 'Zoot' Lindgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 9:06 PM Subject: [hlcoders] WON is really down? Hi, Is it this true: WON will be down a couple of weeks, because we have some disagreements with sierra, WON is on the verge of bankrupcy, we desperately need some donations to keep running.' / Zoot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
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You don't donate to a company, you invest. - Original Message - From: Bob le Pointu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? On 6 Oct 2002 at 21:28, Oskar 'Zoot' Lindgren wrote: Ok, thanks ; or better WON fix: in half-life/valve/woncomm.lst, replace all half-life.west.won.net with 198.74.33.62 and be happy! - Original Message - From: Oskar 'Zoot' Lindgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? Anyway here is a fix! WON fix: in half-life/valve/woncomm.lst, under Auth, replace half-life.west.won.net:7002 with 198.74.33.62:7002 and be happy! - Original Message - From: Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 9:07 PM Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down? i don't think that this is true - Original Message - From: Oskar 'Zoot' Lindgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 9:06 PM Subject: [hlcoders] WON is really down? Hi, Is it this true: WON will be down a couple of weeks, because we have some disagreements with sierra, WON is on the verge of bankrupcy, we desperately need some donations to keep running.' / Zoot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
Re: [hlcoders] WON is really down?
well, where'd you get it from? what's your source. Judging from the message's syntax, it's fake. Look at it, it's one giant run-on sentence. Also, it gives two reasons to why they're going down, but only one pertains to the outage. If it's fake, and if they're listening, thecorrect grammar would be: WON will be down for two to three weeks due to a disagreement with Sierra. followed by another announcement that they need money and that donations are welcome Either: Somebody at WON can't spell, and my cd key is going to be worthless. or, somebody who can't spell is lying. (I vote for lying unless is a reputable source, even then I'm skeptical. And lastly, how do I know said server's not going to swipe my cdkey? - Original Message - From: Oskar 'Zoot' Lindgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 12:06 PM Subject: [hlcoders] WON is really down? Hi, Is it this true: WON will be down a couple of weeks, because we have some disagreements with sierra, WON is on the verge of bankrupcy, we desperately need some donations to keep running.' / Zoot ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
