[hlds] How Long is 1 Wait in SRCDS?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] How long is one wait in SRCDS if you exec the wait through a config file locally, so latency is not an issue? Is there correlation between a single wait state and any particular server variable (tickrate fps sv_maxupdaterate etc)? And if so which one? Thanks -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Web server
- Original Message - From: Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] It amuses me that some people think that there are not people on this list who aren't dealing with 100,000 hits a day, and who's web traffic is measured in terabytes/month. Yeah no joke. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Has VALVe abandoned TFC for good?
Yeah TF2 will come out just after Duke Nukem Forever -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clayton Macleod Sent: Friday, 5 August 2005 1:32 p.m. To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Has VALVe abandoned TFC for good? but, but, they're still working on TF2! hehe On 8/4/05, Brian M Frain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wish fortress forever stayed true to the original, I used to love engy's but with FF it seems they are taking the parts THEY think should be in. I WANT MY TELEPORTER! :( On 8/4/05, David Newbould [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's true - BF2 is great (but a bit buggy) and fortress forever looks amazing! (the screenshots on the website look awesome, and are served excellently by their webhosts Burstfire.net (is that too shameless a plug? [tries desperately to hide his email address (and to manage these nested brackets)])) Dave :) Seems like it. Shame that prior to abandonment they couldn't have at least fixed some of the problems that got introduced with its move over to Steam, as well as all the other many problems which never got resolved pre Steam. A lot of the TFC players seem to have now moved onto BF2 or awaiting Fortress Forever Mod. SteveP ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Web server
Well I'm looking at doing this currently as a hobby and a learning experience. I have just started reading into setting up a CSS dedicated server, and when a couple of parts that are on order come in I plan to get that running and then from the same box as the CSS server I would run a Web Server for putting up stats from psycho stats. I don't want to have to pay for anything extra except for my Internet connection. I'm already paying enough for that. I'm just want to take my time and do this as kind of a hobby project until I get good at the web setup and running the server, then as I get more hardware and get a really good server running I would go for a more professional setup and maybe even start my own clan or something. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Tucker Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 3:04 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server With regard to all the bullcrap about security and performance, I suggest you all go read some whitepapers and shut up. IIS has been built in many major environments combining multihomed multifaceted hybrid database environments and outperformed with massive margins ALL other competitors - some of the advantages of dynamic algorithms that are so heavily researched inside of Microsoft coding labs and FEW OTHER places on the planet. This isn't overly important though, as there isn't a single person on this list who likely has a clue what kind of environment I describe. Gaming isn't everything ;) To answer the question of security - when properly configured neither present any significant threat to your infrastructure. I would recommend starting to read at a news site like securityfocus or the like and begin reading IIS/Apache best-practice guidelines if you are concerned about security. You will want a clear understanding of your firewall infrastructure aswell, luckily for you there will be no issue with DPI firewalls messing with your application sessions. FYI the suggested extensions have currently known threats that massively outweigh either choice of web application server daemon, which is somewhat ironic, especially given the pretentiously knowledgable tone. If you want to install a basic web server on your box, why not try browsing for some guides on the net, google turns up all kinds see: http://www.zdnetasia.com/insight/network/0,39044847,39189556,00.htm (example). It was right of people to say though, that this is not the place for these questions. You should look on a hosting mailing list. Out of interest, just how cheap are we talking, I mean it's less than a sweet a month for hosting these days. If you really have that much trouble finding affordable hosting, then mail me off the list and I'll help you out. On 8/4/05, OoksServer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIS is swisscheese software. If not properly patched it is like hanging out a sign saying Here I Am, Hack Me!. I personally would never host a site with IIS. www.apache.org Throw in PHP and MySQL and maybe some PERL scripts and you have all you need. - Original Message - From: Scott Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:13 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Web server You should take this question to a web hosting community. But the short of it is that to setup a windows XP to host a website you need to use IIS. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Web server
On 8/5/05, Clayton Macleod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, multi-million/multi-billion dollar companies are worried about paying for iis, you're right... Actually, many of them are. The reason is that in fact, it's not just IIS you buy is it? And you wouldn't want to host off of un-managed workstations now would you? IIS' advantages are not as a static page web server, meaning it is highly likely that IIS is not your sole purchase. As with every deployment of every project everywhere, the designers will choose a product based upon the project criteria, IIS and apache do not necessarily fit the same projects. FYI the web servers which have these levels of load are not web-public. There are very few web-public sites which require a massively sophisiticated web server, even for what would be considered 3rd Term Traffic. Global corporate intranet servers used on a per-minute basis by most members of departments on the other hand can ruck up 100,000 hits during coffee time. End of discussion. On 8/4/05, James Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there is, apache is free. -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Web server
says you ;) On 8/5/05, James Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: End of discussion. -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Web server
On 8/5/05, Hemminger Corey SrA 735 CES/CEUD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I'm looking at doing this currently as a hobby and a learning experience. No problem. I have just started reading into setting up a CSS dedicated server, and when a couple of parts that are on order come in I plan to get that running and then from the same box as the CSS server I would run a Web Server for putting up stats from psycho stats. Become familiar with RCON first, try HLSW just so you get a more intuitive idea of how these things can tie together (notice the way the logging system works). With regard to psycho stats you'll need to follow their installation instructions carefully, and ensure that you have all of the pre-requisites installed. This may in fact be your deciding factor in choosing a web server daemon. I don't want to have to pay for anything extra except for my Internet connection. I'm already paying enough for that. Your internet connection will be severely limited by it's upload bandwidth (unless you're one very lucky individual). I'm guessing you're in the US and thus probably not on SDSL or better. I'm just want to take my time and do this as kind of a hobby project until I get good at the web setup and running the server, then as I get more hardware and get a really good server running I would go for a more professional setup and maybe even start my own clan or something. I would strongly recommend you don't do this from home unless you happen to have a significantly better connection than I am expecting. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Tucker Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 3:04 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server With regard to all the bullcrap about security and performance, I suggest you all go read some whitepapers and shut up. IIS has been built in many major environments combining multihomed multifaceted hybrid database environments and outperformed with massive margins ALL other competitors - some of the advantages of dynamic algorithms that are so heavily researched inside of Microsoft coding labs and FEW OTHER places on the planet. This isn't overly important though, as there isn't a single person on this list who likely has a clue what kind of environment I describe. Gaming isn't everything ;) To answer the question of security - when properly configured neither present any significant threat to your infrastructure. I would recommend starting to read at a news site like securityfocus or the like and begin reading IIS/Apache best-practice guidelines if you are concerned about security. You will want a clear understanding of your firewall infrastructure aswell, luckily for you there will be no issue with DPI firewalls messing with your application sessions. FYI the suggested extensions have currently known threats that massively outweigh either choice of web application server daemon, which is somewhat ironic, especially given the pretentiously knowledgable tone. If you want to install a basic web server on your box, why not try browsing for some guides on the net, google turns up all kinds see: http://www.zdnetasia.com/insight/network/0,39044847,39189556,00.htm (example). It was right of people to say though, that this is not the place for these questions. You should look on a hosting mailing list. Out of interest, just how cheap are we talking, I mean it's less than a sweet a month for hosting these days. If you really have that much trouble finding affordable hosting, then mail me off the list and I'll help you out. On 8/4/05, OoksServer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIS is swisscheese software. If not properly patched it is like hanging out a sign saying Here I Am, Hack Me!. I personally would never host a site with IIS. www.apache.org Throw in PHP and MySQL and maybe some PERL scripts and you have all you need. - Original Message - From: Scott Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:13 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Web server You should take this question to a web hosting community. But the short of it is that to setup a windows XP to host a website you need to use IIS. ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Has VALVe abandoned TFC for good?
FF is about as close to it as we'll probably get. BF2 is awesome, hopefully the first round of bugs will be gone by the end of the summer. I'd love to see a tf2 mod ontop of bf2 though. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Newbould Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 5:39 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Has VALVe abandoned TFC for good? That's true - BF2 is great (but a bit buggy) and fortress forever looks amazing! (the screenshots on the website look awesome, and are served excellently by their webhosts Burstfire.net (is that too shameless a plug? [tries desperately to hide his email address (and to manage these nested brackets)])) Dave :) Seems like it. Shame that prior to abandonment they couldn't have at least fixed some of the problems that got introduced with its move over to Steam, as well as all the other many problems which never got resolved pre Steam. A lot of the TFC players seem to have now moved onto BF2 or awaiting Fortress Forever Mod. SteveP ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Web server
At times I wonder if this mailing list is more for bitch fests than explaining and figuring out problems with HLDS/SCRDS Geezit seems at times this list likes to blow up and it always ends up being a linux vs. unix enviroment.When in the end it ends up being the end user making the difference.End story in the whole question of this posting. You have Windows XP.If you want something faster than having to download it.And you have xp pro.IIS is built in you just have to install it. If you want to play around and learn apache or IIS download or install off you cd what you want.Both are equally less secure.Both are equally just as fast.Both are equally just as stable.I have run both and both have their ups and downs.In the end the only way you can answer the question Which is better? is to try both and figure it out for your own.Cause nobody has the same requirements or system setups. /End of Line BeNt http://www.gorillazsouth.com ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Has VALVe abandoned TFC for good?
I dont see why abandoning TFC is such a problem, qwtf is much better. :P On 8/5/05, Napier, Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FF is about as close to it as we'll probably get. BF2 is awesome, hopefully the first round of bugs will be gone by the end of the summer. I'd love to see a tf2 mod ontop of bf2 though. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Newbould Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 5:39 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Has VALVe abandoned TFC for good? That's true - BF2 is great (but a bit buggy) and fortress forever looks amazing! (the screenshots on the website look awesome, and are served excellently by their webhosts Burstfire.net (is that too shameless a plug? [tries desperately to hide his email address (and to manage these nested brackets)])) Dave :) Seems like it. Shame that prior to abandonment they couldn't have at least fixed some of the problems that got introduced with its move over to Steam, as well as all the other many problems which never got resolved pre Steam. A lot of the TFC players seem to have now moved onto BF2 or awaiting Fortress Forever Mod. SteveP ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Web server
Well I'm In the US Air Force and currently stationed in Ramstein Germany. I have a DSL connection with 6mbs dl and 786kbs upload and am working on getting them to bump up my upload speed some more. But I figured I could run a 16 player server and have just a simple mainly text based site with only a couple of tiny graphics website running on the same machine, and besides I doubt the website will get much traffic except from my friends and family that would be playing on it so I'm guessing it wont affect the game server too much as far as internet bandwidth is concerned. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Tucker Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:46 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server On 8/5/05, Hemminger Corey SrA 735 CES/CEUD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I'm looking at doing this currently as a hobby and a learning experience. No problem. I have just started reading into setting up a CSS dedicated server, and when a couple of parts that are on order come in I plan to get that running and then from the same box as the CSS server I would run a Web Server for putting up stats from psycho stats. Become familiar with RCON first, try HLSW just so you get a more intuitive idea of how these things can tie together (notice the way the logging system works). With regard to psycho stats you'll need to follow their installation instructions carefully, and ensure that you have all of the pre-requisites installed. This may in fact be your deciding factor in choosing a web server daemon. I don't want to have to pay for anything extra except for my Internet connection. I'm already paying enough for that. Your internet connection will be severely limited by it's upload bandwidth (unless you're one very lucky individual). I'm guessing you're in the US and thus probably not on SDSL or better. I'm just want to take my time and do this as kind of a hobby project until I get good at the web setup and running the server, then as I get more hardware and get a really good server running I would go for a more professional setup and maybe even start my own clan or something. I would strongly recommend you don't do this from home unless you happen to have a significantly better connection than I am expecting. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of James Tucker Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 3:04 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server With regard to all the bullcrap about security and performance, I suggest you all go read some whitepapers and shut up. IIS has been built in many major environments combining multihomed multifaceted hybrid database environments and outperformed with massive margins ALL other competitors - some of the advantages of dynamic algorithms that are so heavily researched inside of Microsoft coding labs and FEW OTHER places on the planet. This isn't overly important though, as there isn't a single person on this list who likely has a clue what kind of environment I describe. Gaming isn't everything ;) To answer the question of security - when properly configured neither present any significant threat to your infrastructure. I would recommend starting to read at a news site like securityfocus or the like and begin reading IIS/Apache best-practice guidelines if you are concerned about security. You will want a clear understanding of your firewall infrastructure aswell, luckily for you there will be no issue with DPI firewalls messing with your application sessions. FYI the suggested extensions have currently known threats that massively outweigh either choice of web application server daemon, which is somewhat ironic, especially given the pretentiously knowledgable tone. If you want to install a basic web server on your box, why not try browsing for some guides on the net, google turns up all kinds see: http://www.zdnetasia.com/insight/network/0,39044847,39189556,00.htm (example). It was right of people to say though, that this is not the place for these questions. You should look on a hosting mailing list. Out of interest, just how cheap are we talking, I mean it's less than a sweet a month for hosting these days. If you really have that much trouble finding affordable hosting, then mail me off the list and I'll help you out. On 8/4/05, OoksServer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IIS is swisscheese software. If not properly patched it is like hanging out a sign saying Here I Am, Hack Me!. I personally would never host a site with IIS. www.apache.org Throw in PHP and MySQL and maybe some PERL scripts and you have all you need. - Original Message - From: Scott Tuttle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 7:13 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Web server You should take this question to a web hosting community.
RE: [hlds] Web server
Just curious, but how many people have used both. These fights are starting to sound like all the other fan boy fights like windows or Linux, Intel or AMD, NVIDIA or ati. In most of those cases I've found a lot of people have only used one product for so long that they get attached and no matter what think it's better, where I have found that it all depends on what you want to do one will be better in some instances and in others the other is better, and ultimately they both are really close and it's which you prefer based on your criteria. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clayton Macleod Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:52 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server like I said, both camps claim better performance. You just happen to be in the IIS camp. There are just as many in the apache camp that show apache performing better. The fact that you were able to get better performance out of IIS doesn't necessarily mean anything more than you have more IIS knowledge... On 8/5/05, James Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: putting one name before the other. Frankly, screw that. I have deployed BOTH (no names required this time) in very high volume and very low volume environments. One product has outperformed the other IN BOTH scenarios depending on the final layer of development that WE put on top. -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] How Long is 1 Wait in SRCDS?
I know they are pretty quick, you can test it yourself by making a bind and running additional waits till it is noticable, it takes quit a few. I am sorry that isn't exactly what you are looking for, the best I can say it you will need around 10-20 before it begins to show. It's been a few months since I have done any scripting so I don't remember exactly. On 8/5/05, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] How long is one wait in SRCDS if you exec the wait through a config file locally, so latency is not an issue? Is there correlation between a single wait state and any particular server variable (tickrate fps sv_maxupdaterate etc)? And if so which one? Thanks -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] How Long is 1 Wait in SRCDS?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Thanks anyway On 8/6/05, Brian M Frain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know they are pretty quick, you can test it yourself by making a bind and running additional waits till it is noticable, it takes quit a few. I am sorry that isn't exactly what you are looking for, the best I can say it you will need around 10-20 before it begins to show. It's been a few months since I have done any scripting so I don't remember exactly. On 8/5/05, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] How long is one wait in SRCDS if you exec the wait through a config file locally, so latency is not an issue? Is there correlation between a single wait state and any particular server variable (tickrate fps sv_maxupdaterate etc)? And if so which one? Thanks -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Web server
I have used both, but used Linux very little (mostly to teach my self how to setup web services). Mostly IIS becasue the clients I contact for required a windows based solution, and the ease of using IIS out wieghts the fight with the client to switch to Lunix. All fairness aside, what ever the client wants they get. From: Hemminger Corey SrA 735 CES/CEUD [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Web server Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 16:30:53 +0200 Just curious, but how many people have used both. These fights are starting to sound like all the other fan boy fights like windows or Linux, Intel or AMD, NVIDIA or ati. In most of those cases I've found a lot of people have only used one product for so long that they get attached and no matter what think it's better, where I have found that it all depends on what you want to do one will be better in some instances and in others the other is better, and ultimately they both are really close and it's which you prefer based on your criteria. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clayton Macleod Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:52 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server like I said, both camps claim better performance. You just happen to be in the IIS camp. There are just as many in the apache camp that show apache performing better. The fact that you were able to get better performance out of IIS doesn't necessarily mean anything more than you have more IIS knowledge... On 8/5/05, James Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: putting one name before the other. Frankly, screw that. I have deployed BOTH (no names required this time) in very high volume and very low volume environments. One product has outperformed the other IN BOTH scenarios depending on the final layer of development that WE put on top. -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Web server
Thank you for the correction, I had forgoten that XP ended up with a connection limitation. From: James Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:36:17 +0100 On 8/5/05, Dustin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not sure about the Apache, but I use IIS 6 and 5 for both Windows Server 2003 and Windows Server 2000/Windows XP PRO and have had well over 100 connections at a time. So I don't belive he will have a limitation there. There are some major limitations with Windows XP both on the networking and the application server layers. These are all well documented on MSDN and TechNet and DO NOT apply to the Windows Server product line. There's a dirty trick to lift IIS 5.1 on XP to allow 40 concurrent connections, but IIRC it won't go any higher. It's a property of the w3cservice IIRC. Just make sure you do not try to setup IIS 5 under XP Home edition, It is not avaible so you would be forced to use Apache in that event. true. - Original Message - From: Jordan Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server Wow, I can't believe this debate is ... so heated. Indeed. The guy just wants to host a few pages on his home connection, I doubt the page is going to be a high profile target for any non-obvious 0-day security vulnerability (all major http daemons have had their fare share in recent years) My responses regarding security were merely pointing out that neither is more secure by default - sure one comes on a cd and so needs updating, but what the hell, apache *never* get's updated. I should give up laughing and start crying. Nor are the performance differences going to matter for a few likely static pages. Wow, another true statement, this mails on fire :) My advice, if the original poster hasn't run to the hills We can hope not. IIS [Consumer/Limited flavor] Pro's: 1. GUI Interface for setup. therefore you might find it more intuitive IIS Cons [I'm not up to date here, unfortunately]: 1. Limited to 10 concurrent connections (maybe less?, not really an issue though here) This can be lifted to 40 IIRC. Try looking on google for the answer. Apache Win32 Pros: ( www.apache.org ) 1. Flat httpd.conf file for setup, which is fairly simple if you read the comments, also makes one-step restoration of default settings and soforth possible 2. No connection limits or anything of the sort In response to 2 - there are still limits within the XP networking subsystem as of service pack 2. In general these aren't going to be important for hosting over DSL though. Apache Win32 Cons: 1. httpd.conf isn't always that simple, especially at first I personally prefer Apache2 Win32 for my own similar small stuff, since the artificial connection limit of IIS bothers me on a subconcious level, and I feel more at home with a .conf file than an obfuscated GUI, But that doesn't apply to everyone. I'm surprised that no one has suggested minihttpd as yet. Hell what about going and finding one of the example web server applications available for most programming languages? ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Has VALVe abandoned TFC for good?
The wait command delays execution until the next frame. So the duration of a wait depends upon your frame rate. - Alfred Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 4:38 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Has VALVe abandoned TFC for good? FF is about as close to it as we'll probably get. BF2 is awesome, hopefully the first round of bugs will be gone by the end of the summer. I'd love to see a tf2 mod ontop of bf2 though. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Newbould Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 5:39 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Has VALVe abandoned TFC for good? That's true - BF2 is great (but a bit buggy) and fortress forever looks amazing! (the screenshots on the website look awesome, and are served excellently by their webhosts Burstfire.net (is that too shameless a plug? [tries desperately to hide his email address (and to manage these nested brackets)])) Dave :) Seems like it. Shame that prior to abandonment they couldn't have at least fixed some of the problems that got introduced with its move over to Steam, as well as all the other many problems which never got resolved pre Steam. A lot of the TFC players seem to have now moved onto BF2 or awaiting Fortress Forever Mod. SteveP ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Web server
I have been a professional Tomcat (apache) developer aswell as being involved in both consultancy and development cycles of some very major .NET deployments (supported by IIS). Both were large collaborative projects and both came to fruition. On 8/5/05, Hemminger Corey SrA 735 CES/CEUD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just curious, but how many people have used both. These fights are starting to sound like all the other fan boy fights like windows or Linux, Intel or AMD, NVIDIA or ati. In most of those cases I've found a lot of people have only used one product for so long that they get attached and no matter what think it's better, where I have found that it all depends on what you want to do one will be better in some instances and in others the other is better, and ultimately they both are really close and it's which you prefer based on your criteria. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clayton Macleod Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:52 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server like I said, both camps claim better performance. You just happen to be in the IIS camp. There are just as many in the apache camp that show apache performing better. The fact that you were able to get better performance out of IIS doesn't necessarily mean anything more than you have more IIS knowledge... On 8/5/05, James Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: putting one name before the other. Frankly, screw that. I have deployed BOTH (no names required this time) in very high volume and very low volume environments. One product has outperformed the other IN BOTH scenarios depending on the final layer of development that WE put on top. -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] How Long is 1 Wait in SRCDS?
in case you missed it, it was accidentally in the TFC thread... The wait command delays execution until the next frame. So the duration of a wait depends upon your frame rate. - Alfred On 8/5/05, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Thanks anyway -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] Has VALVe abandoned TFC for good?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Thanks Alfred On 8/6/05, Alfred Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The wait command delays execution until the next frame. So the duration of a wait depends upon your frame rate. - Alfred Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Napier, Kevin Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 4:38 AM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Has VALVe abandoned TFC for good? FF is about as close to it as we'll probably get. BF2 is awesome, hopefully the first round of bugs will be gone by the end of the summer. I'd love to see a tf2 mod ontop of bf2 though. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of David Newbould Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 5:39 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: RE: [hlds] Has VALVe abandoned TFC for good? That's true - BF2 is great (but a bit buggy) and fortress forever looks amazing! (the screenshots on the website look awesome, and are served excellently by their webhosts Burstfire.nethttp://Burstfire.net(is that too shameless a plug? [tries desperately to hide his email address (and to manage these nested brackets)])) Dave :) Seems like it. Shame that prior to abandonment they couldn't have at least fixed some of the problems that got introduced with its move over to Steam, as well as all the other many problems which never got resolved pre Steam. A lot of the TFC players seem to have now moved onto BF2 or awaiting Fortress Forever Mod. SteveP ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] How Long is 1 Wait in SRCDS?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Thanks Clayton I found it too luckily :) On 8/6/05, Clayton Macleod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in case you missed it, it was accidentally in the TFC thread... The wait command delays execution until the next frame. So the duration of a wait depends upon your frame rate. - Alfred On 8/5/05, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Thanks anyway -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
Re: [hlds] How Long is 1 Wait in SRCDS?
-- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Makes it a lot more difficult to try to work out how many waits you ought to have in a script. BTW, have you found out what the difference between server fps and tickrate actually means yet? On 8/6/05, Clayton Macleod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd always thought it was a fixed period too, surprised that it's just until the next frame. Serves its purpose I suppose. On 8/5/05, Whisper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- [ Picked text/plain from multipart/alternative ] Thanks Clayton I found it too luckily :) -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds -- ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
RE: [hlds] Web server
On that note...I have a dual core, dual cpu Opteron 1U sitting next to me (Tyan GX28 B2881) shipping next week to Equinix in Chicago for game hosting. OS = Win2k3 Enterprise Server x64. I'll be happy to post results once it's in colo. As for compatability so far...flawless. Little game I had to play with installing the HLDSupdatetool (try it on 64bit and you'll see). Makes a lot of noise with 9 x 15K/rpm fans but runs like a champ. Will most likely report in a separate thread when the time comes. Should be in full service by mid-month. Ray S. RaynServ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 10:52 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server I have ran Intel and AMD prefer the AMD for the 64 Bit Processor and looking to expand to the Dual Core. But just a Preference. As for operating Systems, Lynux, Unix, AIX, Windows. Each have thier benefits But host Game on Win X64... Just hate having the Guns and no ammo to drive the 64 Bit Processor. Again just Preference. On the Web Server outside hosted and it is Lynux. My Two Cents... - Original Message - From: Hemminger Corey SrA 735 CES/CEUD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 7:30 AM Subject: RE: [hlds] Web server Just curious, but how many people have used both. These fights are starting to sound like all the other fan boy fights like windows or Linux, Intel or AMD, NVIDIA or ati. In most of those cases I've found a lot of people have only used one product for so long that they get attached and no matter what think it's better, where I have found that it all depends on what you want to do one will be better in some instances and in others the other is better, and ultimately they both are really close and it's which you prefer based on your criteria. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clayton Macleod Sent: Friday, August 05, 2005 12:52 PM To: hlds@list.valvesoftware.com Subject: Re: [hlds] Web server like I said, both camps claim better performance. You just happen to be in the IIS camp. There are just as many in the apache camp that show apache performing better. The fact that you were able to get better performance out of IIS doesn't necessarily mean anything more than you have more IIS knowledge... On 8/5/05, James Tucker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: putting one name before the other. Frankly, screw that. I have deployed BOTH (no names required this time) in very high volume and very low volume environments. One product has outperformed the other IN BOTH scenarios depending on the final layer of development that WE put on top. -- Clayton Macleod ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds ___ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
